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Speaker 1: Taupo, updating the two thousand and nine Joint Management Agreement

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Speaker 1: between the council and NATI two for eta. The critics

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Speaker 1: argue there's no public mandate and that the treaty principles

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Speaker 1: are embedding co governance directly into council operations. The Mayor

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Speaker 1: of Tapa is David Waders, who's back with us. David,

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning Mane. Now, christ I'm very.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. My understanding was you were doing this yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Will know We were just having a workshop on it,

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Speaker 2: just to you know, let the public know and inform

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Speaker 2: them about it. Yeah. It's absolutely got nothing to do

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Speaker 2: co governance. It's all about protecting the lake and the

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Speaker 2: trivities to come into the lake. So some rogue person

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Speaker 2: has gone to hobsencele Ledge and sort of stirred it

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Speaker 2: all up. But it's got nothing to do with co governan.

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Speaker 2: It's about looking up the lake, the owners of the lake.

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Speaker 1: Let me come back to that in the moment. As

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Speaker 1: far as the workshop goes, who turns up and is

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Speaker 1: the community engaged generally?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, quite a bit crowd, actually, fifty to seventy probably

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Speaker 2: people there, more mature age group. But that's all good

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Speaker 2: and you know, let people know what's happening and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. It's just an upgrading of an

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Speaker 2: agreement that we've had for years. And you know, like

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Speaker 2: you know, who doesn't want to protect the lakes. So

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Speaker 2: so they all went away I think reasonably happy. But

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Speaker 2: who knows?

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Speaker 1: Okay, But yeah, is there general angst once again, I'll

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Speaker 1: come back to your lake comment on the moment. But

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Speaker 1: is their general angst around the marrification of how town,

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Speaker 1: cities and regions in this country are run in your area?

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Speaker 1: Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well? I don't think so. You know, I'm on the

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Speaker 2: ground pretty much all day and every day in the

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Speaker 2: CBD of Topol and you know, yeah too, funny tar

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Speaker 2: people are just such beautiful people, led by Sirtumuta Hughho,

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Speaker 2: the Paramount Chief. You only paramount chief in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: They install the actual Mary King was first done here

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Speaker 2: in the late eighteen hundreds. You know. So that and

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Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the landmark is owned by two

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Speaker 2: but it are so why would you not have some

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Speaker 2: sort of arrangement with them?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what they're saying. Unlike the original two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine agreement, which followed eight months of negotiation

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Speaker 1: and a documented series of public and harpoo meetings. This

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Speaker 1: proposed update no public visibility, you would say, not true?

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Speaker 2: No, not true. Were set up a subcommittee to a

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Speaker 2: couple were a little bit overdre and actually doing this,

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Speaker 2: but a couple of years ago set up a subcommittee,

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Speaker 2: which we always do with council. And you know, they've

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Speaker 2: been working away and chooking away, and like any arrangement,

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Speaker 2: you know, it takes a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 2: a bit of here and there with it, and a

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Speaker 2: bit of two and throw and and now we're present,

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Speaker 2: ready to present to the public and see what they see,

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Speaker 2: what they say, you know.

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Speaker 1: The public though, and this is where I suppose it

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Speaker 1: gets a bit crunchy. What did the public go, We're

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Speaker 1: sick of this, we don't want it. Then?

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Speaker 2: What, well, yeah, we we what we agreed to yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We've got the staff to go away and do a

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Speaker 2: paper on what consultation looks like. You know, you know,

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Speaker 2: is that a possibility and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: So what do you mean as consultation of possibility? Surely

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Speaker 1: you're going to consult No.

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Speaker 2: No, Well, it's an agreement between two Fooduitar which owned

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Speaker 2: the lake Remembory. It's a privately owned lake, just massive

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Speaker 2: fresh water in New Zealand, privately owned and the Council

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Speaker 2: two Foodatar Marriage Trust Board have been around for one

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Speaker 2: hundred years, you know, so we've got a wonderful relationship

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Speaker 2: with them, so why not destroy that. But the possibility

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Speaker 2: of you know, consulting and.

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Speaker 1: So maybe no consultation, David, I think.

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Speaker 2: We're probably leaning towards it. But we'll just see what

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Speaker 2: the council, what the councilors say when we come.

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Speaker 1: And if they say no, if they say yes to

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Speaker 1: consultation and the consultation tells you unequivocally that people don't

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Speaker 1: want this, does that going to make any difference? Or

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Speaker 1: are we wasting our time on consultation?

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Speaker 2: Well, we have the luxury of using a privately owned

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Speaker 2: lak here, you know.

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Speaker 1: So no, I know that. But if you consult with

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Speaker 1: people and the people tell you something, do you ignore them?

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Speaker 2: Oh? No, not necessarily. We we take it on board.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're all from different backgrounds and all that

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Speaker 2: sort of things. So you know, we we'll go away

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Speaker 2: and you know, discuss what the consultation results in and

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Speaker 2: then come back to you know, come back to the

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Speaker 2: to a public meeting and make a decision.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon this will be an issue come the

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Speaker 1: end of the year in local bodies.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think so. I think once once people actually

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Speaker 2: look at the deal, understand the deal, know about it.

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Speaker 2: It's all about protecting the lake, which is one of

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Speaker 2: the cleanest lakes in the world, you know, So we

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Speaker 2: don't want to end up like another lake you know

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Speaker 2: where you know that we can't use. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just all about all about positioning like nothing to

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Speaker 2: do co governance.

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Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate your time very much. David Wavers

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Speaker 1: is the topo mayor summation. As I thought he started

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Speaker 1: well when it went a bit pish by the end

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Speaker 1: of it on the consultation business. So the claims are

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Speaker 1: expanded jurisdiction, governant governance of by treaty principle, policy influence

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Speaker 1: without authority, no financial guardrails, no reporting or oversight, and

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