1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Uber has lost its contractor's case again, this time in 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: the Court of Appeal. Again, the courts have rule that 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: for Uber drivers are employees, not contractors. It means they 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: are entitled to holiday, pasick leave and the right to 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: fight unfair dismissal. Uber has announced it's going to appeal 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: even this all the way through to the Supreme Court. 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: In Dennis maga is First Union General Secretary. 8 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: Hey, Dennis, oh good appen and I had a total 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: listeners out there. 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Does this apply only to these four guys? Or is 11 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: going to set a president for every contractor in the country. 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: It should actually said a president to all the Uber 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: drivers out there. 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: All Uber drivers are all contractors. 15 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: Contract Let's say right now, Uber drivers, but some contractors 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: can actually use the legal altcorets to argue for their cases. 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: Why only some? Why not all? 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: It all depends on, for example, the ruling made by 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: Court of Appeals. For example, if ever, they believe that 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: an employer or a company is using actually to construct 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: or arrangement of window dressing, then they have a good 22 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: argument actually to argue for their case that they were 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: misclassified and they are employees. 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: So for example, in my industry, right here in Radio. 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: A whole bunch of us are contractors. We signed contractor contracts, 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: but we basically operate the same as all the other employees. 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Can we now go and say we're employees as well? 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: If it suits us? 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: I think it will depend on the terms and conditions. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: If ever, you are a contractor and you have the 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: ability to contract out your job to anywhere and anyone, 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: then of course you can argue that you actually control 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 2: your your business or your contract and like these Uber 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: drivers for a long time, they've been working in this 35 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: platform arrangement, that the terms and conditions were actually dictated 36 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: by Uber and they cannot actually change their terms and conditions. 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think if Uber was to lose 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: this all the way to the Supreme Court and beyond, 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: would they pull out of the country, would they increase 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: their charges? What are you reckon? Is going to be 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the ramifications for consumers? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: Well? I think we're looking at the record of Uber 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: in different countries and usually every time they lose their case, 44 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: they always appeal. But this is going to be hard 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: for them. They will become desperate if ever they continue 46 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: to appeal this case, because the first thing that they 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: had to do is actually to apply for leave in 48 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: order to be granted to appeal that case. In this instance, 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: right now, the pressure now is actually in uber whether 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: they will respect the employment legislation in the country or 51 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: they will just simply ignore that. 52 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: All right, Dennis, thank you very much, appreciate it. My 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: this dinnis Mega First Union General secret Sare I reckon? 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: Some bosses here at this radio station might have just 55 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: had this think to titled a little bit about this. 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: For more from hither DU plus the Ellen Drive, listen 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.