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Speaker 1: Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Along with many other problems. It turns out this Morning

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Speaker 2: has an issue around parking finds that aren't being paid.

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Speaker 2: Of all the tickets issued since twenty twenty one, only

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Speaker 2: sixty eight percent of them have actually been paid. The

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Parking Association chair Mike Kelly as well us

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Speaker 2: Mike morning.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Mike Kelly.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well indeed, thank you. That's my learnings for that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know we had a parking association. How long

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Speaker 2: has that been around.

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Speaker 1: I've been around for about thirty years now, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: supporting all of the councils throughout the country, private parking

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Speaker 1: operators and various equipment and system suppliers.

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Speaker 2: The problem Well, so if you can talk from a

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Speaker 2: national point of view, so I don't bore the rest

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Speaker 2: of the nation whitlass with yet another Auckland story. The

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Speaker 2: payment of tickets. Is that an issue whennywhere outside of

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Speaker 2: Auckland or is it an urban thing or what?

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Speaker 1: No, it's across the country. Most councils I think that

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Speaker 1: you talk to will have will had the same concerns

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Speaker 1: that we have a limited window to have our tickets

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Speaker 1: paid either directly to the Council or through using parties

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Speaker 1: like Baycorp. And then there's a imitation on how long

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Speaker 1: before we can send them to the Ministry of Justice,

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Speaker 1: which is the usually X escalation process.

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Speaker 2: Is there a cycle a psychology at play here. I

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Speaker 2: don't take it seriously, therefore I don't pay it, And

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Speaker 2: that's the bit that needs to change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. There are lots of people out

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Speaker 1: there that have hundreds of tickets, that will get tickets

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Speaker 1: every day for repetitive offenses and not be too bothered

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Speaker 1: about that at all, and they just go to the

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Speaker 1: Ministry of Justice and get added onto their des if

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Speaker 1: you like.

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Speaker 2: And what happens to me, nothing, is it? I mean

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Speaker 2: it can go to go. I mean literally, nothing's going

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Speaker 2: to happen to me, is it.

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Speaker 1: That's probably more a question for the Ministry of Justice,

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Speaker 1: because once it's been sent to them, it's out of

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Speaker 1: the road controlling authority's hands. So yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it is up to them to try and enforce that

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Speaker 1: on our behalf. And it's not a cheap process to

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Speaker 1: engage them as a defllection option.

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Speaker 2: So they need to chase it up harder. And if

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Speaker 2: they chase it up, harder they might get to mection.

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Speaker 2: The problem you've got is the antagonism, haven't you, Because

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Speaker 2: I'll get these tickets from bus lanes and cycle lanes

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Speaker 2: and I hate them, and i hate the people who

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Speaker 2: did them to me, and I'm angry, and so therefore

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to pay them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a piece of that too, And I mean

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Speaker 1: some of the things that we have to do also

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Speaker 1: is to move the legislation forward and be a bit

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Speaker 1: more current. You know, for example, we're required by law

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Speaker 1: to either place a parking ticket on a windshield or

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Speaker 1: send it in the post, as subianly sh applies to

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Speaker 1: councils rather than the private operators. Because in the lend

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Speaker 1: in the registration system for your vehicle, there is no email,

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Speaker 1: there is no verification of the data, and nobody actually

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Speaker 1: verifies your address or verifies that if I sell my

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Speaker 1: vehicle to you, you know, if you don't actually sign

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Speaker 1: the piece of paper say I've purchased that vehicle, it

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Speaker 1: sits at limbo, and of course we can't find out

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Speaker 1: who actually is responsible for that ticket exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, good on sight. I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Mike Kelly who's the New Zealand Parking Association Chair.

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