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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at Bay Messi.

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Speaker 2: Or twice god once but maybe called Pete first.

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Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp, The Resident Builder News Talk said, Baby.

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Speaker 3: The house is a whole, even when it's dark, even

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Speaker 3: when the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even

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Speaker 3: when the dog is too old to barn, and when

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Speaker 3: you're sitting at the table trying not to start.

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Speaker 4: Have scissor hole, even when we are band gone, even

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Speaker 4: when you're therellone.

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Speaker 5: House is a home even when there's goes, even when

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Speaker 5: you go around.

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Speaker 3: From the ones you love your most, you screams, broken pains,

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Speaker 3: appeel in front of.

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Speaker 2: Locals, vestible when they're going to.

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Speaker 5: Leaving neighbors, even when wilbra Ben, even when you're in

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Speaker 5: there alone. Yeahs out.

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Speaker 6: All A very very good morning, and welcome along to

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Speaker 6: The Resident Builder on Sunday with me Peter wolf Camp,

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Speaker 6: the Resident Builder. And this is your show basically because

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Speaker 6: if any now and then people say to me, you know,

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Speaker 6: what preparation do you do for the show, how early

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Speaker 6: do you arrive? I shouldn't be telling these secrets, but anyway, well,

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Speaker 6: and I go well to be fear this, Like all

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Speaker 6: of my day, all of my week is kind of

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Speaker 6: in preparation for the show. There's always something new, or

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Speaker 6: training or activity that hopefully feeds a little bit of

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Speaker 6: knowledge into the system, and then I wait for the

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Speaker 6: opportunity to have a chat with you and then we

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Speaker 6: discuss things, and that's the show. So it's all about you, guys.

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Speaker 6: If you've got a question of a building nature, whatever

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Speaker 6: that is, whether it's the rules and the regulation because

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Speaker 6: they are actually kind of important, whether it's the products

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Speaker 6: that you choose, and there is a baffling array of

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Speaker 6: products out there for different types of jobs, right and

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Speaker 6: very specific products and applications and systems to achieve the

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Speaker 6: outcome that you want. And then there's the practical stuff,

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Speaker 6: the how too, maybe some safety things that we want

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Speaker 6: to talk about. It's a very broad palette of things

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Speaker 6: that we can discuss on the program this morning, So

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Speaker 6: welcome along. I trust you've had a good week. For

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Speaker 6: those people who again have been battered by the weather

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Speaker 6: in the last couple of days, including I mean, this

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Speaker 6: is an increasingly tragic series of events that we have

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Speaker 6: again we've had in this most recent out of storms,

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Speaker 6: which is not over yet by the way, again another

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Speaker 6: loss of life, and certainly there's loss of property that's

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Speaker 6: less significant obviously than the loss of life. And again

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Speaker 6: it's happening. Well, not wanting to make light of this,

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Speaker 6: but there's probably what at least eight six, seven to

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Speaker 6: just in this year alone, So resilience probably is a question.

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Speaker 6: You may care to comment on that if you wish. Oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 6: You can text as well. That's nine two nine tours

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Speaker 6: EDBZB from your mobile phone and if you'd like to

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Speaker 6: send me an email, you are more than welcome. It's

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Speaker 6: Pete atnewstalksb dot co dot nz. Right, Oh, let's get

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Speaker 6: amongst it. It is just on ten past six this morning. Oh,

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Speaker 6: a couple of things on the show today. We do

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Speaker 6: have our painting expert, that's Jay from Razine. I got

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Speaker 6: all excited about the Raziine guys last week and said

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Speaker 6: so if you've got any specific painting questions, you should

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Speaker 6: text them through to nine two nine tours EDBZB. A

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Speaker 6: little bit later on the show, I'm going to take

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Speaker 6: a moment to have a chat with John Davies who

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Speaker 6: works with pro Climber. Pro Climber are hosting a series

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Speaker 6: of introduction to building science seminars around the country, so

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Speaker 6: more detail on that, but it's a really good opportunity

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Speaker 6: if you're a trades person and you're starting to get

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Speaker 6: interested in building science, if you're thinking about building and

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Speaker 6: so really looking forward to that. John's gonna tell us

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Speaker 6: a lot more about that as well. So that's all

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Speaker 6: coming up on the show. And then as always we're

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Speaker 6: But right now it is your opportunity to ask questions,

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Speaker 6: to discuss and debate, to have a crack at building

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Speaker 7: Good morning.

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Speaker 6: How are you doing?

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Speaker 7: I'm not too bad, Charley good.

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Speaker 6: How can I help?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 7: Well? There isn't a building name there?

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Speaker 6: It's me?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, sorry, what's your name is there?

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Speaker 6: Peter?

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm a kind of quote question for yourholds that

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Speaker 7: I just put it in a nutshell. I'm building a

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Speaker 7: construction at the back of my house, okay, and my

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Speaker 7: friend around the corner is going to help me with

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Speaker 7: my project. Now, I want to know what is the

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Speaker 7: best ruthing. I can't tell you what it is because

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Speaker 7: Wise?

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Speaker 6: Look, there's there's a whole bunch of options there, But

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Speaker 6: in terms of simplicity, ease of installation, et cetera, I

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Speaker 6: would look at long run roofing of whatever variety you

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Speaker 7: The Yeah, we'll carry on.

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Speaker 6: Look that to me. You know, there's a reason that

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Speaker 6: There's a reason that we've seen it on lots of

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Speaker 6: So I think if you're building something, then that's a

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Speaker 7: Okay, And before before I'll let you go, I just

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Speaker 7: want to mention to you something quickly. I've got my family.

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Speaker 7: I come from a family of men who are builders,

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Speaker 7: got my roof fussed that I'm going to have a

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Speaker 7: thank you so very much for listening to me.

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Speaker 6: I would love to ask you a couple of questions

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Speaker 6: If you've got a question if you're building or you're

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Speaker 6: what it looks like. There was a big, long article

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Speaker 6: for it. Thank you to those people that are texting

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Speaker 6: through already. Jay is from Razine. He's going to be

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Speaker 6: very busy at around seven twenty this morning, so specific

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Speaker 6: B It is coming up fifteen and a half minutes

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Speaker 6: after six. The lines are open. The number to call

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Speaker 6: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty viewing up.

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Speaker 1: The house sorting the guard and asked Pete for ahead

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Speaker 2: Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks 'b.

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Speaker 6: Indeed youal with new stalks be it is nineteen minutes

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Speaker 6: after six. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 6: Call Good morning Anne, Oh.

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Speaker 10: Good morning Pete. Thank you for taking my call. Pete.

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Speaker 10: About four years ago I bought a property here in Hamilton. Yes,

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Speaker 10: I've noticed I had the roof repainted about three years ago.

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Speaker 10: Excuse me, now, I've noticed that there's a sort of

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Speaker 10: have the nails replaced. Now I've had a a I've

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Speaker 10: had about three people out to look at it. I

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Speaker 10: can't say I'm very happy with the roofing people. I've wrung.

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Speaker 10: Should I be ringing the roofing person or a business

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Speaker 10: The other company's emailed me twice and never turned up

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Speaker 10: roofing company and he's going to be doing a homer

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Speaker 10: on this. How does your boss feel about this? And

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Speaker 10: so I got very far of it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, what you're saying is a perfect snapshot of

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Speaker 6: some so you know, like there's a part of the

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Speaker 6: but lots of people are in it just don't have

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Speaker 6: I'm sure fifteen, twenty, twenty five, thirty years ago, when

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Speaker 6: didn't act as well as so I'm not being hypocritical, right,

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Speaker 6: I get the pressure that people are under, But then

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Speaker 6: fascinating at a time when it's been so tough for

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Speaker 6: most people in the industry, right like, it hasn't been great,

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Speaker 6: and it hasn't been great for a long time. And

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Speaker 6: I don't know anyone who's running at full capacity at

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Speaker 6: the moment. I don't know anyone who wouldn't be kind

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Speaker 6: of keen for more work. And so when someone like yourself,

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Speaker 6: you've got a job, you probably will pay your bill

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Speaker 6: on time. All you want is someone to go, hi, yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm interested. I'll be there in two days or a

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Speaker 6: week's time, it wouldn't matter. But on the day that

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Speaker 6: You assess the job, and within a short period. It's

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Speaker 6: a relatively simple job. You'd put in an estimate, you'd

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Speaker 6: ask for, you know, a ten percent deposit, and you'd

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Speaker 6: send someone around to do the work. Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 6: take the work if it's on offer. So it's I'm

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Speaker 6: still surprised that so many businesses operate like that, given

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Speaker 6: how tough it's been, right But putting that aside, yes,

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Speaker 6: Then again, it's one of those things we all used

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Speaker 6: But at a certain point there comes a time when

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Speaker 10: I don't think the roof needs to be replaced personally

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Speaker 6: So when you pull it out, inevitably there's some sidewards

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Speaker 6: that's got the little near prene washer underneath it, it

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Speaker 6: will cover most of that new hole, but the hole's

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Speaker 10: Okay, I was just thinking about the flow of water

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Speaker 6: But remember that that little plate is sitting on the

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Speaker 10: He's not the one who's going to put the little.

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Speaker 10: It's the one who didn't send me the quote yet

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Speaker 6: Look, you know, no one should argue that someone shouldn't

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Speaker 10: Well, perhaps it's just so pecific because he's good.

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Speaker 6: That's true too, that's true.

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Speaker 6: that recommendation. So I'm not saying don't use those sorts

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Speaker 6: I really like that lovely right, all the very best,

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Speaker 6: And I'm not saying this in the sense that I've

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Speaker 9: This is what I want. The council, the council which you,

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Speaker 9: can I see your qualifications please? And you know what,

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Speaker 7: On it like I.

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Speaker 6: My dealings with especially building inspectors, right is almost every

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's that's exactly the point I'm trying to

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Speaker 9: costs her extra in ridiculous and ridiculous study. I'm going

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Speaker 9: to challenge them up. Yeah, four hundred and eighty thousand

431
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Speaker 9: dollars on top of the DJ gardener plight, hang on,

432
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Speaker 9: what is going on? The more I talk to people,

433
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Speaker 9: the more I hear about it.

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Speaker 6: Four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 9: What of fees on top of the GJ garden, the

436
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Speaker 9: house on which say they budgeted for.

437
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Speaker 6: They're pretty but what's involved, what's included those costs? So

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Speaker 6: let's say a building consents, I don't know, twenty five

439
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars. Resource consent fee might be another fifteen thousand dollars,

440
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Speaker 6: A reserve contribution fee might be another forty or fifty

441
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars. We're up to over one hundred thousand now.

442
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Speaker 6: But how did how can you attribute four hundred and

443
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Speaker 6: eighty thousand dollars worth of cost county?

444
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Speaker 9: How can you contribute one hundred and eighty thousand dollars?

445
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Speaker 9: That's exactly right, three one hundred and twenty thousand dollars

446
00:26:44,615 --> 00:26:47,775
Speaker 9: for bloody Lollipop meant because it was on the main road,

447
00:26:48,655 --> 00:26:50,575
Speaker 9: they began to get stuff in and out. And the

448
00:26:51,655 --> 00:26:55,695
Speaker 9: compliance was this retaining wall they made them build, right,

449
00:26:55,895 --> 00:26:57,495
Speaker 9: the council made them build it.

450
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Speaker 6: And it's just yeah, yeah, but look in light of

451
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Speaker 6: the weather that we've had through this year, in the

452
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Speaker 6: last couple of is and actually I was reading this morning,

453
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Speaker 6: I didn't sleep particularly well. I was reading a New

454
00:27:11,815 --> 00:27:17,375
Speaker 6: Herald article online about actually an Auckland Council report in

455
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Speaker 6: terms of ground stability and the you know, the possibility

456
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Speaker 6: of landslides in which parts of Auckland are susceptible. You

457
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Speaker 6: know we've had them, They've caused loss of life. It's

458
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Speaker 6: really hard to criticize counsel saying, actually, if you're going

459
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Speaker 6: to do something, we want to make sure that it's

460
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Speaker 6: going to stay there.

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Speaker 9: I'm as critical as the Council as I want to be,

462
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Speaker 9: and in fact I'll get even worse than that.

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Speaker 6: No, but light the risk. In light of the risk,

464
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Speaker 6: you can understand council taking a risk averse attitude to

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Speaker 6: these things. And it's not just council too, it's engineers.

466
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Speaker 6: So if you go to an engineer and you say, okay,

467
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Speaker 6: we're on a slope, the geotech is this, and I

468
00:28:01,255 --> 00:28:04,255
Speaker 6: want a building platform and you know, I want to

469
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Speaker 6: make sure that it survives rainfall and all the rest

470
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Speaker 6: of it. It's not surprising that the engineer is going

471
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Speaker 6: to give you a gold plated solution nowadays because they

472
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Speaker 6: don't want to put their name to something that might

473
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Speaker 6: collapse or slump or fall or God forbid cause loss

474
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Speaker 6: of life. So you can understand how people are considerably

475
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Speaker 6: more risk averse.

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Speaker 9: Now, yes, I totally agree. And yet, and yet the

477
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Speaker 9: council will not accept the engineers. If there's a good engineer,

478
00:28:35,095 --> 00:28:37,575
Speaker 9: you'll do the job properly you start with, and then

479
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Speaker 9: you get the council that challenges that engineer. And as

480
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Speaker 9: I said to my engineer, just take it back straight

481
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Speaker 9: to the council. It's going to go through the council.

482
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Speaker 9: Just tell them no, no, no, this is this is

483
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Speaker 9: how we're doing it. We're doing it like this, and

484
00:28:51,375 --> 00:28:55,015
Speaker 9: then your engine this ninety dollars an hour conversation and

485
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Speaker 9: isn't where it gets ridiculous because before you know it,

486
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Speaker 9: you've got to you've got a two thousand dollars bill

487
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Speaker 9: from the council. Haven't even started.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, now I understand the frustration, I certainly do, and

489
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Speaker 6: it's good to say discussion to have. But actually that

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Speaker 6: thanks for that, Jeff. That article actually appeared online on

491
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Speaker 6: the Herald this morning as I was reading at four

492
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Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning, but talking about a new report

493
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Speaker 6: that's been released to Auckland Council. Sorry to make this

494
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Speaker 6: Auckland Council focused, but I would imagine that many councils

495
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Speaker 6: around the country are looking at this going. You know,

496
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Speaker 6: we need to identify where the risks are, and so

497
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Speaker 6: this report has been released to councils. Obviously it's going

498
00:29:36,015 --> 00:29:38,815
Speaker 6: to be made public as well, so you can go

499
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Speaker 6: and google your own subdivision and see what the risks are.

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Speaker 6: It is six thirty eight, let's call it six thirty nine. Actually, oh,

501
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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

502
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Speaker 6: call all things building and construction. We have a line

503
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Speaker 6: spare for you right now, so now's a great time

504
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Speaker 6: to call. Remember at around seven twenty this morning, we've

505
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Speaker 6: got our painting expert Jay from Razine. We'll be joining us.

506
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Speaker 6: If you've got any specific painting questions, please text those

507
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Speaker 6: through to nine to nine two. We can take a break.

508
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Speaker 6: We'll be back in a moment. Great time to call.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with ceilings or wondering how to fix

510
00:30:11,455 --> 00:30:14,015
Speaker 1: that hole in the wall. Give feed Wolfgabit call on

511
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Speaker 1: eighty the resident builder on news dogs B.

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Speaker 6: I'm just having looked quickly at the I found the

513
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Speaker 6: article Herald online. I think it did come out well,

514
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Speaker 6: it was late yesterday, came out early yesterday rather anyway,

515
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Speaker 6: the headline is basically, almost twenty percent of the Auckland

516
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Speaker 6: region is at high or very high risk of being

517
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Speaker 6: impacted by landslides, according to a comprehensive technical report. Include

518
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Speaker 6: some city suburbs, several volcanic cones, including Mount Eden, and

519
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Speaker 6: numerous subjects suburbs on the north shore including Devenport, Great

520
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Speaker 6: Barrier Island. It's not on the north shore, by the way,

521
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Speaker 6: the Two Peninsula and the northern town of Warkworth.

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Speaker 9: So it's.

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Speaker 6: I haven't done. I have a little bit of enlightened

524
00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:07,775
Speaker 6: self interest in that. So anyway, it's I will at

525
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Speaker 6: some stage go through the report. January fifteenth and twenty fourth.

526
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Speaker 6: One hundred and three landslides reported this year already it

527
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Speaker 6: is quite staggering, right, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

528
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Speaker 6: eighty the number to call Chris Good morning, great.

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Speaker 8: Good morning. There's two things I wanted to chat about,

530
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Speaker 8: just briefly. My son and Doordan Law were building regional

531
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Speaker 8: high spec home and the plans had gone through council

532
00:31:41,815 --> 00:31:44,655
Speaker 8: and got rubber stamped and drawn up by an architects

533
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Speaker 8: et cetera, et cetera, so that they they're not They

534
00:31:48,895 --> 00:31:50,815
Speaker 8: went for the higher end of the spec run on

535
00:31:50,895 --> 00:31:57,175
Speaker 8: the lower end. Anyway, there after they've got everything underway

536
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Speaker 8: and the foundations are coming out of the ground, the

537
00:32:02,095 --> 00:32:06,855
Speaker 8: city council approach and said, look, we've forgotten to include

538
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Speaker 8: stormwater retention tanks at the front of the section, which

539
00:32:13,895 --> 00:32:19,215
Speaker 8: in this case they sis under the driveway. And I'm

540
00:32:19,215 --> 00:32:21,735
Speaker 8: sort of saying to myself, surely that should have been

541
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Speaker 8: picked up when the thing was going through council approval

542
00:32:28,095 --> 00:32:30,415
Speaker 8: and to come to the master. You know it's a

543
00:32:30,495 --> 00:32:31,735
Speaker 8: hepty expense.

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Speaker 6: Because you can appreciate, yeah, it would be.

545
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Speaker 8: Is that normal?

546
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Speaker 6: Well, this to be really fair about it, there's probably

547
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Speaker 6: a couple of things. One is that the designer at

548
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Speaker 6: the time of submitting the design probably what it will

549
00:32:54,695 --> 00:32:57,655
Speaker 6: be is there will be a set of regulations around

550
00:32:58,015 --> 00:33:03,455
Speaker 6: stormwater management and mitigation, right, and the designer or the

551
00:33:03,495 --> 00:33:07,935
Speaker 6: planner should know what they are and preempted the fact

552
00:33:07,975 --> 00:33:12,615
Speaker 6: that council would probably want them by including them. So there,

553
00:33:12,775 --> 00:33:15,455
Speaker 6: you know, in this instance, I wouldn't sheet all of

554
00:33:15,495 --> 00:33:18,975
Speaker 6: the blame or responsibility through to counsel and the processing

555
00:33:19,015 --> 00:33:22,775
Speaker 6: team there. I think that the designer probably should have

556
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Speaker 6: included it from the get go, so they didn't and

557
00:33:25,775 --> 00:33:28,695
Speaker 6: it didn't get packed up. And again, typically these sorts

558
00:33:28,735 --> 00:33:31,815
Speaker 6: of things would get picked up during the processing of

559
00:33:31,855 --> 00:33:34,815
Speaker 6: the building consent and the resource consent. They'd look at it,

560
00:33:34,815 --> 00:33:38,455
Speaker 6: they'd go, okay, we know that in general or in

561
00:33:38,535 --> 00:33:42,575
Speaker 6: this area, means it's unusual these days not to have

562
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Speaker 6: to do some sort of stormwater mitigation, which I'm in

563
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Speaker 6: favor of, right, I think we need to do it.

564
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Speaker 6: So the fact that they didn't pick it up during

565
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Speaker 6: consent and processing is a little bit surprising. And yeah,

566
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Speaker 6: I can understand the frustration of you know, suddenly they

567
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Speaker 6: turn up and go, oh, look, hey, by the way,

568
00:34:01,735 --> 00:34:04,375
Speaker 6: we've forgot to include this, and you now have to

569
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Speaker 6: add this to it, because you're right, it would be

570
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Speaker 6: I mean, what's the esmer forty to fifty grands worth

571
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Speaker 6: of extra work?

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Speaker 8: Yep, that's right, that's about it. He didn't stop there.

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Speaker 8: I mean, so there's a couple of things. So the builders.

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Speaker 8: So I think there are about three builders that actually

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Speaker 8: tended for all builders that were invited to inspect the site,

576
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Speaker 8: and twice accordingly yes, And one of them that got

577
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:43,495
Speaker 8: the contract was later heard by other contractor saying that

578
00:34:43,535 --> 00:34:45,895
Speaker 8: they had gone really low on the job, but they

579
00:34:45,895 --> 00:34:51,295
Speaker 8: were going to pick it up on extras and when

580
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Speaker 8: that is the mentality, I'm but concerned about my son

581
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Speaker 8: and and his wife and what because they're not used

582
00:35:04,375 --> 00:35:09,975
Speaker 8: to dealing with people who work on variations. Architects also

583
00:35:10,055 --> 00:35:13,815
Speaker 8: have a degree of responsibility, as you say, the designer

584
00:35:14,975 --> 00:35:17,575
Speaker 8: and making sure all the details. But I've been in

585
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:21,775
Speaker 8: the trade probably longer than you have better, and I'm

586
00:35:21,775 --> 00:35:26,015
Speaker 8: aware that quite often jobs are won by a mission

587
00:35:26,455 --> 00:35:31,895
Speaker 8: of detail rather than inclusion of detail by the designers,

588
00:35:32,055 --> 00:35:36,215
Speaker 8: by builders or builders and contractors who are only priced

589
00:35:36,975 --> 00:35:40,015
Speaker 8: absolutely according to what's on the spec and in the plans,

590
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Speaker 8: and only a few will put their hand up and

591
00:35:43,495 --> 00:35:50,295
Speaker 8: say common sense dictates that that detail is incorrect. And indeed,

592
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Speaker 8: I've seen clients who contractors because they have failed to

593
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Speaker 8: notify red flag things at time of tender and during

594
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Speaker 8: the process of the build, you know. So I'm concerned

595
00:36:05,855 --> 00:36:10,255
Speaker 8: for my their build and where it's going to go costwise.

596
00:36:10,935 --> 00:36:15,015
Speaker 8: They are only just getting the roof on now, but

597
00:36:15,095 --> 00:36:19,015
Speaker 8: that's that's a concern. The other thing is get it.

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Speaker 6: And I think for people who might be listening, they're wondering,

599
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Speaker 6: how does that happen? Right? So I guess part of

600
00:36:25,855 --> 00:36:29,215
Speaker 6: this will be around the quality of the contract that

601
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Speaker 6: you that your children have with the builder in terms

602
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Speaker 6: of you know, is it does it allow for a

603
00:36:39,215 --> 00:36:44,095
Speaker 6: certain amount of change or emission or additions to the

604
00:36:44,135 --> 00:36:47,655
Speaker 6: contract because each one of those, if it is a variation, right,

605
00:36:47,735 --> 00:36:51,855
Speaker 6: it needs to be signed off by the owner of

606
00:36:51,895 --> 00:36:56,815
Speaker 6: the property or the client before the claim is accepted.

607
00:36:56,895 --> 00:37:00,975
Speaker 6: And then does the claim need to be verified by someone?

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Speaker 6: So is the architect involved in the contract supervision? Is

609
00:37:04,655 --> 00:37:07,735
Speaker 6: there a project manager who's involved, as is there's someone

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Speaker 6: between the client and the builder.

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Speaker 8: I think the downfall was that there needs to be

612
00:37:13,975 --> 00:37:16,735
Speaker 8: a project manager and there needs to be someone standing

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00:37:16,775 --> 00:37:22,455
Speaker 8: between the client, the architect and the builder. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, I I can see the value of it.

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Speaker 6: I also know I'm actually not going to say what

616
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Speaker 6: I was just going to say, keep myself into all

617
00:37:34,135 --> 00:37:39,975
Speaker 6: sorts of trouble. I think that Look, speaking as a contractor,

618
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Speaker 6: let's say, you know, if I was pricing for work,

619
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Speaker 6: and let's say I, you know, you look at a door, right,

620
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Speaker 6: and you go right to hang that door properly packers

621
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Speaker 6: properly fitted off in such a way that that door

622
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Speaker 6: is going to open for twenty years. I'm going to

623
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Speaker 6: allow forty five minutes, right, and then someone else so

624
00:37:57,575 --> 00:38:00,055
Speaker 6: you might be pricing against, goes well. I just hold

625
00:38:00,055 --> 00:38:02,095
Speaker 6: the door in the opening, shout it full of brads,

626
00:38:02,575 --> 00:38:05,655
Speaker 6: and as long as it keeps opening until I've been

627
00:38:05,735 --> 00:38:08,775
Speaker 6: paid that it's okay. And they can hang that door

628
00:38:08,815 --> 00:38:11,975
Speaker 6: in fifteen minutes, well times ten or fifteen doors. It's

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Speaker 6: in a couple of hours. And then someone says, oh,

630
00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:17,855
Speaker 6: you're expensive, and you go, well, yeah, but it'll work

631
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Speaker 6: for twenty years.

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Speaker 9: Right.

633
00:38:19,375 --> 00:38:22,095
Speaker 6: That's the dilemma that we're in, and that's what it

634
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:26,375
Speaker 6: sounds like your children might be facing as well. Let's

635
00:38:26,415 --> 00:38:28,895
Speaker 6: hope that it goes well. I got a run. Sorry, Chris,

636
00:38:29,895 --> 00:38:32,615
Speaker 6: it is coming up six fifty Here at news talks EDB.

637
00:38:33,575 --> 00:38:35,735
Speaker 2: Squeaky door or squeaky floor?

638
00:38:35,895 --> 00:38:39,335
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

639
00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:40,495
Speaker 1: on news talks.

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Speaker 6: EDB getting a couple of texts about well on a

641
00:38:43,575 --> 00:38:48,215
Speaker 6: whole bunch of things actually, including Chris's comments from muzz

642
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Speaker 6: as he's on the phone pretty quick peak that last

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Speaker 6: caller annoyed me as they obviously went for the cheapest quote.

644
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Speaker 6: But now they're complaining about the quality. You get what

645
00:38:57,175 --> 00:39:02,815
Speaker 6: you pay for and cheaper is never always better. Yeah,

646
00:39:03,335 --> 00:39:05,655
Speaker 6: I agree. I told this story a couple of times.

647
00:39:05,695 --> 00:39:08,655
Speaker 6: I know someone who or heard of someone who got

648
00:39:08,895 --> 00:39:11,895
Speaker 6: eleven quotes for an extension you know it, hundred and

649
00:39:11,935 --> 00:39:16,815
Speaker 6: fifty grands worth of work, took the cheapest price, and

650
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Speaker 6: then wondered why the job was an absolute disaster or

651
00:39:19,975 --> 00:39:22,495
Speaker 6: you could see that coming a mile away. A m

652
00:39:23,615 --> 00:39:25,975
Speaker 6: someone's text me about, Hey, look in a new bill

653
00:39:26,615 --> 00:39:28,895
Speaker 6: after you've moved in and you find that the toilet

654
00:39:29,015 --> 00:39:32,615
Speaker 6: pan splashes water out onto the surrounds? Is that acceptable?

655
00:39:33,255 --> 00:39:35,855
Speaker 6: This is in a new and then they mentioned the company. No,

656
00:39:36,095 --> 00:39:40,455
Speaker 6: I wouldn't think that's acceptable. That would be a genuine problem.

657
00:39:40,735 --> 00:39:43,135
Speaker 6: Why has the area been ticked off with the council

658
00:39:43,135 --> 00:39:45,815
Speaker 6: as suitable for a subdivision when extra walls need to

659
00:39:45,855 --> 00:39:49,095
Speaker 6: go in. This is the comment about having to do

660
00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:55,095
Speaker 6: additional retaining work for a section. Well, council sh I

661
00:39:55,095 --> 00:39:57,575
Speaker 6: mean if you buy a section from someone, you just

662
00:39:57,615 --> 00:40:00,175
Speaker 6: buy the section, right, If it's part of the plan,

663
00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:03,935
Speaker 6: then it's your own responsibility. I would have thought to

664
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Speaker 6: do the geotech if it's been signed off as an

665
00:40:07,135 --> 00:40:10,695
Speaker 6: area suitable for subdivision. Then that's how it goes. You

666
00:40:10,735 --> 00:40:14,375
Speaker 6: do your own risk analysis on that. I made the

667
00:40:14,415 --> 00:40:18,495
Speaker 6: comment about you know where to find tradees and this

668
00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:21,135
Speaker 6: text is coming as well. Pete. I was at Bunnings.

669
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Speaker 6: I asked about trades and the person probably working at

670
00:40:24,215 --> 00:40:27,015
Speaker 6: the trade desk part of the store had a book

671
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Speaker 6: of people who they would recommend to do my inside

672
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Speaker 6: hand ral a sturdy, fine job he did, says Rosie.

673
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Speaker 6: Thank you for that, Rosie, that's great text. Actually got

674
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Speaker 6: some great questions for Jay, our painting expert, who's going

675
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Speaker 6: to be with us at around seven twenty this morning,

676
00:40:48,455 --> 00:40:51,695
Speaker 6: So we'll well all of your texts about preparation and

677
00:40:51,735 --> 00:40:55,575
Speaker 6: paint work and so on. We will have those ready

678
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Speaker 6: for Jay. I've said this before, too tricky, the better

679
00:41:01,055 --> 00:41:03,295
Speaker 6: I think in terms of your painting questions. You know,

680
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Speaker 6: it's nice to have a challenge early on a Sunday morning.

681
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Speaker 6: Oh eight hun at eighty ten eighty If you want

682
00:41:07,655 --> 00:41:09,335
Speaker 6: to call now, we'll get things set up. We've got

683
00:41:09,375 --> 00:41:11,655
Speaker 6: new Sport and Weather top of the hour at seven o'clock.

684
00:41:12,055 --> 00:41:15,175
Speaker 6: And remember that we're also talking building science with John

685
00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:20,055
Speaker 6: Davies from pro Climber. This building science seminar series that's

686
00:41:20,095 --> 00:41:23,215
Speaker 6: coming up christ Church, Wellington and Auckland. I'll tell you

687
00:41:23,295 --> 00:41:25,495
Speaker 6: all about it after the eight o'clock news.

688
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Speaker 1: Back after the news, helping you get those DIY projects

689
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Speaker 1: done right. The Resident Builder with Peter WOLFCAF call Oh,

690
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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty eighty Youth talks right.

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Speaker 6: Oh, we're back into it. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

692
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Speaker 6: is the number to call. It is six minutes after

693
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Speaker 6: seven yourth peak wolf Camp the Resident build Out. We're

694
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Speaker 6: talking all things building and construction, and it would seem

695
00:41:51,815 --> 00:41:55,415
Speaker 6: that I've picked the scab off a particularly touchy subject

696
00:41:55,455 --> 00:41:57,735
Speaker 6: at the moment in terms of people have started to

697
00:41:57,775 --> 00:42:02,455
Speaker 6: talk about trades people and contracts and pricing and so on,

698
00:42:02,695 --> 00:42:07,775
Speaker 6: and I'm getting a really wide range of opinions in response,

699
00:42:07,815 --> 00:42:11,215
Speaker 6: some people going, we'll hang on. Chris who phoned earlier.

700
00:42:11,855 --> 00:42:16,415
Speaker 6: You know they've taken what might be a lower price.

701
00:42:17,775 --> 00:42:21,095
Speaker 6: The contractor was overheard saying, well, look, I've put in

702
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Speaker 6: a low price because I'm going to make it up

703
00:42:22,615 --> 00:42:27,575
Speaker 6: on extras, right, which I think is a not uncommon

704
00:42:27,735 --> 00:42:32,095
Speaker 6: way of contracts being let. But I think it's terrible

705
00:42:32,215 --> 00:42:34,775
Speaker 6: right if you know that the job's going to cost more,

706
00:42:35,175 --> 00:42:38,815
Speaker 6: then that should be in your pricing and you shouldn't

707
00:42:38,815 --> 00:42:41,295
Speaker 6: then go oh oh, sorry, I forgot did you want

708
00:42:41,335 --> 00:42:46,495
Speaker 6: door handles? Type of attitude, But it is in is

709
00:42:46,495 --> 00:42:50,615
Speaker 6: a endemic. It's not uncommon. Right, someone else's TEXTU and

710
00:42:50,615 --> 00:42:53,655
Speaker 6: going we'll hang on. There's two parties in this, right,

711
00:42:53,695 --> 00:42:57,895
Speaker 6: if you've taken a price that's considerably lower than the others,

712
00:42:58,415 --> 00:43:02,895
Speaker 6: you can't be surprised when that person goes for extras

713
00:43:02,935 --> 00:43:05,295
Speaker 6: because you kind of should have known that the job

714
00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:07,175
Speaker 6: was going to cost more. And then this text has

715
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Speaker 6: come through and we'll come to Ross and Mommi's waiting

716
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Speaker 6: on the line. I'll give you an example of the

717
00:43:11,455 --> 00:43:15,295
Speaker 6: New Zealand tradeing says this texter. Have asked so far

718
00:43:15,455 --> 00:43:18,575
Speaker 6: for three to provide a quote. All three were advertising

719
00:43:18,615 --> 00:43:21,095
Speaker 6: on a website. I rang all three. I said I

720
00:43:21,175 --> 00:43:25,015
Speaker 6: required an emailed quote. One never replied. Another one gave

721
00:43:25,055 --> 00:43:27,815
Speaker 6: a quote that doubled the materials price that I could

722
00:43:27,855 --> 00:43:30,175
Speaker 6: buy at N to ten and the other stated that

723
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Speaker 6: the labor costs would only be based on a fixed

724
00:43:32,735 --> 00:43:35,855
Speaker 6: rate that was twice the normal charge out with open

725
00:43:35,935 --> 00:43:39,095
Speaker 6: time to complete the job. New Zealand trades in building

726
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Speaker 6: and contracting you represent is disgusting and nothing but fraudulent.

727
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Speaker 6: I'm just going to leave that where it lays you

728
00:43:49,455 --> 00:43:58,615
Speaker 6: made someone else's text through. I'll come to another text

729
00:43:58,615 --> 00:44:01,735
Speaker 6: in a moment on that as well. So it's not

730
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Speaker 6: necessarily what the programs about, but I am interested in

731
00:44:04,415 --> 00:44:08,855
Speaker 6: it because obviously, yeah, if you're engaging with contractors, right,

732
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Speaker 6: and this is the sector, we want to be seen

733
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Speaker 6: as professionals. So in order to do that, we need

734
00:44:15,735 --> 00:44:20,935
Speaker 6: to behave professionally, which might mean applying to emails, picking

735
00:44:20,975 --> 00:44:26,215
Speaker 6: up the phone, turning up on time, the basics, and

736
00:44:26,255 --> 00:44:29,655
Speaker 6: when they don't, you can understand how clients get frustrated. Oh,

737
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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Remember,

738
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Speaker 6: at around seven twenty we will jump into the world

739
00:44:35,895 --> 00:44:39,735
Speaker 6: of painting. Jay, our painting expert from Razine will be

740
00:44:39,815 --> 00:44:41,935
Speaker 6: joining us. So again you've got a couple of minutes

741
00:44:41,935 --> 00:44:45,655
Speaker 6: to send through any text questions of a painting nature

742
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Speaker 6: that you might have. Will do that at around seven

743
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Speaker 6: twenty This morning, your news talk set B and a

744
00:44:50,935 --> 00:44:52,055
Speaker 6: very good morning to you, Rose.

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Speaker 7: Oh how are you.

746
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Speaker 9: I'm very well right now.

747
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Speaker 11: I'll keep as brief as I can, so I share

748
00:44:59,215 --> 00:45:01,415
Speaker 11: the email, Jude, but I actually need to talk to

749
00:45:01,415 --> 00:45:02,095
Speaker 11: you directly.

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Speaker 9: Go no matter what lost us?

751
00:45:03,735 --> 00:45:06,695
Speaker 11: What to do in net A. Ten months into my

752
00:45:06,815 --> 00:45:12,575
Speaker 11: new build, my toilet onto a toilet blocked and on investigation,

753
00:45:12,695 --> 00:45:14,815
Speaker 11: I had to get a plumber and they found that

754
00:45:14,935 --> 00:45:20,975
Speaker 11: a warrior tale was punched through the waste pipe on construction. Okay,

755
00:45:21,095 --> 00:45:24,575
Speaker 11: so you know, and so you can imagine. So they

756
00:45:24,695 --> 00:45:26,295
Speaker 11: got their loss of justice came.

757
00:45:26,495 --> 00:45:29,815
Speaker 9: They did a scope of work, and so they are.

758
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Speaker 11: Working for the builders Insurance company. And she said, it's

759
00:45:33,135 --> 00:45:36,775
Speaker 11: the cash settlement offer. They said, and if I don't accept,

760
00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:38,855
Speaker 11: she said, well for I've closed. But anyway, so I've

761
00:45:38,855 --> 00:45:41,775
Speaker 11: got my quotes. So what I'm up to now, I

762
00:45:41,815 --> 00:45:44,775
Speaker 11: mean it's I shouldn't have to do this people anyway.

763
00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:47,095
Speaker 11: I've got three quotes. Two have come back to me.

764
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Speaker 11: They're both above what the offer is, not.

765
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Speaker 9: By a great deal.

766
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Speaker 11: One's four thousands, the others two both lovely guys. And

767
00:45:59,215 --> 00:46:03,135
Speaker 11: so and I've got this discharge. There's party liability for him.

768
00:46:03,175 --> 00:46:05,575
Speaker 11: I'm to sign. So I'm not going to sign up

769
00:46:05,655 --> 00:46:08,975
Speaker 11: until I don't know. I guess that's letting him off

770
00:46:08,975 --> 00:46:12,055
Speaker 11: the hook. But I've signed it. Because they want no

771
00:46:12,135 --> 00:46:13,295
Speaker 11: part of it?

772
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Speaker 9: Is that right?

773
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Speaker 11: I mean, I just feel like I shouldn't be doing

774
00:46:16,615 --> 00:46:22,135
Speaker 11: this as some sort of consumers guarantee that that's the builder.

775
00:46:22,895 --> 00:46:25,575
Speaker 11: I did ask the question, why isn't he facting her

776
00:46:25,615 --> 00:46:28,455
Speaker 11: smack up? And she said that he's owned no obligation

777
00:46:28,575 --> 00:46:29,015
Speaker 11: to do.

778
00:46:28,895 --> 00:46:33,575
Speaker 6: This rubbish, I am, this is under obligation to do it.

779
00:46:34,175 --> 00:46:36,215
Speaker 9: Well, that's what I would have thought. So what I

780
00:46:36,735 --> 00:46:37,935
Speaker 9: what should I don't need?

781
00:46:38,215 --> 00:46:38,295
Speaker 2: Like?

782
00:46:38,455 --> 00:46:46,055
Speaker 6: I mean, so this is a new build, okay, And

783
00:46:46,055 --> 00:46:50,735
Speaker 6: and there's obviously a main contractor, and there's the person

784
00:46:50,735 --> 00:46:53,095
Speaker 6: that told you the house, which is the developer who

785
00:46:53,135 --> 00:46:54,015
Speaker 6: did the development.

786
00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:55,655
Speaker 11: That's right, yep?

787
00:46:55,895 --> 00:46:59,255
Speaker 6: Okay, So and effectively it's not for the purpose, right

788
00:46:59,335 --> 00:47:02,655
Speaker 6: because there's a great big bit of steel straight through

789
00:47:02,695 --> 00:47:04,455
Speaker 6: the sewer pipe.

790
00:47:04,375 --> 00:47:04,575
Speaker 7: Yeah.

791
00:47:04,735 --> 00:47:09,095
Speaker 6: Now I didn't do it, but I've been involved in

792
00:47:09,175 --> 00:47:14,575
Speaker 6: repairing exactly that, right, So I know how it happens,

793
00:47:16,015 --> 00:47:23,135
Speaker 6: and these things happen, right, So, but I am struggling

794
00:47:23,175 --> 00:47:28,255
Speaker 6: to understand how the contractor would hand that over to

795
00:47:28,335 --> 00:47:31,855
Speaker 6: the insurer and not simply come. I mean, it's great

796
00:47:31,855 --> 00:47:34,535
Speaker 6: that they've gotten insurance policy, and it's great that there

797
00:47:34,615 --> 00:47:37,655
Speaker 6: is some redress. I don't think you should be forced

798
00:47:37,695 --> 00:47:41,615
Speaker 6: into accepting a cash payout on it. I think that

799
00:47:43,215 --> 00:47:47,455
Speaker 6: I don't even Oh, I think you're probably going to

800
00:47:47,495 --> 00:47:49,615
Speaker 6: have to go to your lawyer. Have you already accepted

801
00:47:49,615 --> 00:47:50,255
Speaker 6: the cash payer?

802
00:47:50,935 --> 00:47:54,175
Speaker 9: No, I've done nothing. No, I've got the quotes.

803
00:47:54,215 --> 00:47:56,815
Speaker 11: And because I mean, there's no contingency, I couldn't see

804
00:47:56,855 --> 00:48:00,055
Speaker 11: anything there suck if it goes over, and let's face it,

805
00:48:00,095 --> 00:48:01,695
Speaker 11: I means right all the time.

806
00:48:01,855 --> 00:48:05,895
Speaker 6: In this instance here, I would say I would strongly

807
00:48:05,935 --> 00:48:09,335
Speaker 6: recommen and that you don't accept a cash out clause

808
00:48:09,415 --> 00:48:13,415
Speaker 6: because then you end up taking responsibility for it. And

809
00:48:13,655 --> 00:48:16,535
Speaker 6: let's say while the contractor is there, they discover that

810
00:48:17,335 --> 00:48:21,295
Speaker 6: running over the top of that pipe is the electrical

811
00:48:21,335 --> 00:48:23,535
Speaker 6: cable and they need to get someone in to move

812
00:48:23,575 --> 00:48:26,295
Speaker 6: the electrical cable in order to access you know, there's

813
00:48:26,295 --> 00:48:29,375
Speaker 6: a thousand things that could happen, and then you're taking

814
00:48:29,415 --> 00:48:33,135
Speaker 6: the responsibility for that. So the whole point of insurance

815
00:48:33,175 --> 00:48:36,815
Speaker 6: is to well, I know, it's not your insurance policy,

816
00:48:36,855 --> 00:48:40,295
Speaker 6: it's the contractor's insurance policy, and it's great that it's there,

817
00:48:40,655 --> 00:48:43,455
Speaker 6: but I would strongly recommend that you don't accept it.

818
00:48:43,535 --> 00:48:46,215
Speaker 6: I don't think that you should be forced into accepting

819
00:48:46,335 --> 00:48:48,855
Speaker 6: a cash settlement, but you might have to get a

820
00:48:48,935 --> 00:48:51,095
Speaker 6: legal opinion to sort of back you up on that.

821
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Speaker 11: That's what I thought too, And I thought this shouldn't

822
00:48:54,055 --> 00:48:55,015
Speaker 11: be customy.

823
00:48:54,615 --> 00:48:57,055
Speaker 6: Any money, and I don't I don't believe it should.

824
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Speaker 11: You know, they're great, but I mean, it.

825
00:48:59,295 --> 00:49:02,375
Speaker 6: Won't stop it in some instances, you know, like I

826
00:49:02,695 --> 00:49:06,055
Speaker 6: know people have taken cash settlements on let's say, repairs

827
00:49:06,335 --> 00:49:08,935
Speaker 6: after flood damage or something like that. Well, if you

828
00:49:08,935 --> 00:49:10,375
Speaker 6: want to take the risk, and if you want to

829
00:49:10,415 --> 00:49:12,215
Speaker 6: take that money, and maybe you're going to do some

830
00:49:12,295 --> 00:49:15,175
Speaker 6: extra work or something like that, but that's fine. But

831
00:49:15,295 --> 00:49:18,855
Speaker 6: in this instance here where it's relatively new work, it

832
00:49:18,935 --> 00:49:21,775
Speaker 6: was obviously a fault from the beginning. This would have

833
00:49:21,775 --> 00:49:29,855
Speaker 6: happened at construction, and I just can't see that you

834
00:49:29,895 --> 00:49:33,815
Speaker 6: should have any part in doing the repair, certainly not

835
00:49:33,895 --> 00:49:37,575
Speaker 6: taking cash settlement and then having to supervise contractors and

836
00:49:37,615 --> 00:49:41,135
Speaker 6: effectively taking liability for the repair as well. All of

837
00:49:41,175 --> 00:49:43,255
Speaker 6: that should go back to the original contractor.

838
00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:46,535
Speaker 9: Well, that's my thoughts.

839
00:49:46,975 --> 00:49:50,255
Speaker 11: Like I'm very lucky I have two bathrooms and I

840
00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:51,735
Speaker 11: don't know where I would have been if I hadn't.

841
00:49:51,735 --> 00:49:55,055
Speaker 6: He do you know where the damage is. Is the

842
00:49:55,135 --> 00:49:57,775
Speaker 6: damage underneath the slab or is it outside of the house,

843
00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:01,215
Speaker 6: under the slab inside the house?

844
00:50:01,975 --> 00:50:06,055
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, So the whole bathroom's got to be gutted,

845
00:50:06,335 --> 00:50:09,415
Speaker 11: and there's heated tiles. It's a major job and a

846
00:50:09,535 --> 00:50:11,735
Speaker 11: heat toil they go up the wall and because of

847
00:50:11,815 --> 00:50:14,335
Speaker 11: that it a sealer or membrane or something.

848
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Speaker 6: Absolutely do not accept a cash settlement. Absolutely not. And

849
00:50:21,415 --> 00:50:23,975
Speaker 6: that job's not going to be four thousand dollars.

850
00:50:24,455 --> 00:50:25,055
Speaker 7: I know it's not.

851
00:50:25,215 --> 00:50:27,015
Speaker 11: I've got I mean, I know it's not. I tell

852
00:50:27,095 --> 00:50:27,575
Speaker 11: you that now.

853
00:50:27,615 --> 00:50:28,815
Speaker 12: It's it's a lot.

854
00:50:28,855 --> 00:50:32,695
Speaker 6: It's a twenty to thirty thousand dollars repair more.

855
00:50:32,895 --> 00:50:33,735
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.

856
00:50:33,975 --> 00:50:36,735
Speaker 6: Plus, if you're cutting the slab and the slab's got reinforcing,

857
00:50:36,815 --> 00:50:40,335
Speaker 6: you need to have an engineer provide a detail for

858
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Speaker 6: you know, the remediation of that that should be supervised

859
00:50:44,615 --> 00:50:46,775
Speaker 6: by somebody, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

860
00:50:47,135 --> 00:50:50,415
Speaker 11: And it's tiles like the heated tile, the whole.

861
00:50:50,455 --> 00:50:54,015
Speaker 6: All of that's toast, right, all of that is rubbish. Basically,

862
00:50:54,015 --> 00:50:57,175
Speaker 6: it's all going to come out. You know, no one's

863
00:50:57,175 --> 00:50:59,695
Speaker 6: going to sign off on a repair to a waterproof

864
00:50:59,735 --> 00:51:04,215
Speaker 6: membrane unless they it's a complete membrane. So I would

865
00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:06,135
Speaker 6: think that in the end that bathroom is going to

866
00:51:06,135 --> 00:51:08,735
Speaker 6: get gutted completely pretty much.

867
00:51:09,655 --> 00:51:14,295
Speaker 11: Yeah, a whole lot, a whole it's yeah, And I

868
00:51:15,055 --> 00:51:17,695
Speaker 11: just feel, Pete that I should not be having to

869
00:51:17,735 --> 00:51:18,015
Speaker 11: do this.

870
00:51:20,935 --> 00:51:23,535
Speaker 6: You can answer this, but only in the most general

871
00:51:23,575 --> 00:51:29,455
Speaker 6: of terms. The builder involved in the project. Are they

872
00:51:29,495 --> 00:51:32,335
Speaker 6: a member of either Master Builders or Certified Builders?

873
00:51:33,415 --> 00:51:36,375
Speaker 11: I don't think you some if I locked in the

874
00:51:36,415 --> 00:51:40,215
Speaker 11: right place, I couldn't see how. I'm very careful not to.

875
00:51:42,415 --> 00:51:45,655
Speaker 11: But he is a registered builder if that makes sense

876
00:51:45,735 --> 00:51:46,295
Speaker 11: an LBP.

877
00:51:46,615 --> 00:51:53,535
Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. And look the this is a plumbing issue, right,

878
00:51:53,935 --> 00:51:57,735
Speaker 6: but there's still responsibility. So if you're the main contractor,

879
00:51:58,055 --> 00:52:00,135
Speaker 6: it ends up becoming your responsibility.

880
00:52:00,295 --> 00:52:04,055
Speaker 11: So well, that's right, he's accountable, isn't At the end

881
00:52:04,095 --> 00:52:04,335
Speaker 11: of the.

882
00:52:04,335 --> 00:52:07,495
Speaker 6: Day, somebody's accountable. That's the whole point of the LVP scheme.

883
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:13,655
Speaker 6: Look again, please, you know if you need I think

884
00:52:13,695 --> 00:52:16,455
Speaker 6: you probably find that spending a little bit of money

885
00:52:16,455 --> 00:52:19,215
Speaker 6: with the lawyer to get a statement or a letter

886
00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:22,615
Speaker 6: from the lawyer saying I don't accept the cash settlement

887
00:52:22,695 --> 00:52:24,535
Speaker 6: for these reasons. It is probably going to be in

888
00:52:24,575 --> 00:52:29,135
Speaker 6: your benefit. Someone has text and said, hey, look, Pete

889
00:52:29,135 --> 00:52:31,455
Speaker 6: read the lady who's calling about the new build the

890
00:52:31,495 --> 00:52:34,335
Speaker 6: toilet dishes. She should not she does not have to

891
00:52:34,375 --> 00:52:37,695
Speaker 6: accept a cash settlement ensure it is not correct in

892
00:52:37,775 --> 00:52:42,455
Speaker 6: telling her that they will close the file. So I'm

893
00:52:42,455 --> 00:52:44,335
Speaker 6: going to take that at face value. I don't think

894
00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:47,135
Speaker 6: you should. I think you should push for a full repair.

895
00:52:47,695 --> 00:52:49,215
Speaker 6: Please let us know how you get on.

896
00:52:50,135 --> 00:52:54,975
Speaker 11: Oh, thanks a lot, better about talking to you now.

897
00:52:55,135 --> 00:52:58,055
Speaker 6: Pleasure lovely to chat with your rose. All the best,

898
00:52:58,855 --> 00:53:04,775
Speaker 6: Take care, Bob, that we might quickly get this quick. Yeah,

899
00:53:05,135 --> 00:53:07,175
Speaker 6: there's a whole lot of text in about this. I

900
00:53:07,215 --> 00:53:10,975
Speaker 6: find it hard to imagine how that happened and it

901
00:53:11,295 --> 00:53:14,815
Speaker 6: passed plumbing inspections. But we'll get onto that in the moment. Kevin,

902
00:53:14,895 --> 00:53:16,015
Speaker 6: quick question from you, sir.

903
00:53:17,975 --> 00:53:18,895
Speaker 8: You've got a.

904
00:53:18,935 --> 00:53:22,855
Speaker 13: Coastal property and the substrate of sand. I want to

905
00:53:22,855 --> 00:53:25,575
Speaker 13: build a little low deck about two point five by

906
00:53:25,615 --> 00:53:28,095
Speaker 13: four meters. Yes, I'm looking up the ideas and what

907
00:53:28,135 --> 00:53:29,135
Speaker 13: you'd use for a foundation.

908
00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:32,455
Speaker 6: What about screw piles.

909
00:53:34,215 --> 00:53:34,895
Speaker 13: Screws?

910
00:53:35,055 --> 00:53:40,335
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is it's new in the sense that plastic,

911
00:53:40,615 --> 00:53:45,455
Speaker 6: no galvan ied steel. So have a look at there's

912
00:53:45,455 --> 00:53:49,895
Speaker 6: a company called Stop Digging for example, they will do them.

913
00:53:50,575 --> 00:53:53,175
Speaker 6: It's a good name, isn't it. You know what do

914
00:53:53,255 --> 00:53:56,095
Speaker 6: I do? You know, we stop you from digging, so literally,

915
00:53:56,175 --> 00:53:59,895
Speaker 6: they'll they'll come along, they'll look at the ground, they'll

916
00:54:00,655 --> 00:54:03,815
Speaker 6: install the right pile to the right depth with the

917
00:54:03,895 --> 00:54:07,135
Speaker 6: right bearing capacity. And then on top of of the

918
00:54:07,175 --> 00:54:09,855
Speaker 6: screw that they put into the ground, you can then

919
00:54:10,015 --> 00:54:12,175
Speaker 6: just put your bearers where you joice directly onto that.

920
00:54:14,055 --> 00:54:17,855
Speaker 13: Okay, cool, simple. I was looking at trying to maybe

921
00:54:17,855 --> 00:54:20,895
Speaker 13: putting made like a paving slid down and just sitting

922
00:54:20,895 --> 00:54:21,375
Speaker 13: on top of that.

923
00:54:21,495 --> 00:54:22,055
Speaker 14: I said, at that's a.

924
00:54:22,055 --> 00:54:22,775
Speaker 2: Really low level.

925
00:54:23,055 --> 00:54:26,055
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, look, you know, if if you want something

926
00:54:27,415 --> 00:54:29,815
Speaker 6: all the rest of it, have a look at the stringlass.

927
00:54:30,975 --> 00:54:35,255
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah. Check out the just quick Google search for

928
00:54:35,335 --> 00:54:37,655
Speaker 6: stop Digging and I'm sure you'll find the guys there.

929
00:54:37,775 --> 00:54:38,015
Speaker 7: Yeah.

930
00:54:38,295 --> 00:54:42,735
Speaker 6: All right, take care. See Kevin your news talk said,

931
00:54:42,775 --> 00:54:45,455
Speaker 6: be it is seven nineteen. We're going to take a break.

932
00:54:45,495 --> 00:54:48,255
Speaker 6: Then we've got Jay, our painting expert. We've got some

933
00:54:48,295 --> 00:54:52,735
Speaker 6: great tricky text questions around painting. We'll do that straight

934
00:54:52,735 --> 00:54:53,135
Speaker 6: after the.

935
00:54:53,055 --> 00:54:57,255
Speaker 1: Break measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first,

936
00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:59,335
Speaker 1: be your WorkCare the resident builder.

937
00:54:59,495 --> 00:55:00,415
Speaker 2: News Talk said, be.

938
00:55:01,135 --> 00:55:05,055
Speaker 6: Your news Talk said, be let's talk painting now. I

939
00:55:05,095 --> 00:55:08,055
Speaker 6: have to say, Jay, when we were talking about sort

940
00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:10,455
Speaker 6: of what topic to peck, and you were saying, let's

941
00:55:10,455 --> 00:55:13,615
Speaker 6: talk about painting in these conditions, and I like, at

942
00:55:13,655 --> 00:55:16,655
Speaker 6: the moment in my head, I'm going summertime, that's great,

943
00:55:16,815 --> 00:55:19,495
Speaker 6: long settled period of weather. I can get out and

944
00:55:19,495 --> 00:55:21,695
Speaker 6: do all of that exterior painting that I wanted to

945
00:55:21,695 --> 00:55:23,575
Speaker 6: do a lot of its sort of repairs and maintenance.

946
00:55:23,615 --> 00:55:25,815
Speaker 6: But I'm struggling at the moment.

947
00:55:25,855 --> 00:55:28,655
Speaker 14: To be fair, Oh, it's an absolute nightmare to get

948
00:55:28,655 --> 00:55:30,815
Speaker 14: your work done this summer.

949
00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:34,375
Speaker 6: Summer Again, it's an expectation thing, you know. We go, yeah,

950
00:55:34,415 --> 00:55:37,175
Speaker 6: great summer, everything's going to dry out. I've got nice,

951
00:55:37,175 --> 00:55:40,415
Speaker 6: settled weather. I'm going to start painting. Can I ask

952
00:55:40,455 --> 00:55:43,295
Speaker 6: you a question first? My concern is, you know, like

953
00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:47,975
Speaker 6: most of us houses wooden, right, So what I ideally

954
00:55:48,015 --> 00:55:51,655
Speaker 6: want is for that timber to dry out before I

955
00:55:51,775 --> 00:55:55,535
Speaker 6: paint it. But every time it's just getting dry, we

956
00:55:55,615 --> 00:55:59,015
Speaker 6: get another decent belt of rain and it saturates and

957
00:55:59,055 --> 00:56:03,295
Speaker 6: gets soaked, and then I'm waiting again. I need to wait,

958
00:56:03,375 --> 00:56:05,455
Speaker 6: don't I for that timber to dry out.

959
00:56:05,615 --> 00:56:09,415
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I've just been checking myself just to confirm

960
00:56:09,415 --> 00:56:13,175
Speaker 14: what I was going to say. So moisture content with

961
00:56:13,215 --> 00:56:16,775
Speaker 14: the timber needs to be seventeen percent sort of sixteen

962
00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:23,495
Speaker 14: sixteen to seventeen percent. So we sell moisture meter. The

963
00:56:23,615 --> 00:56:27,415
Speaker 14: big barn sort of hardware stores all sell them. So

964
00:56:27,495 --> 00:56:31,135
Speaker 14: i'd like this. I'd say the sales will be going up,

965
00:56:32,535 --> 00:56:35,895
Speaker 14: especially just with painters because of that very reason. Just

966
00:56:35,935 --> 00:56:37,255
Speaker 14: as you think we're going to be able to start

967
00:56:37,295 --> 00:56:40,815
Speaker 14: doing some work, it rains again and you need to

968
00:56:40,855 --> 00:56:42,735
Speaker 14: make sure that timber is dry enough to be able

969
00:56:42,735 --> 00:56:48,175
Speaker 14: to paint or stain. So yeah, unfortunately you can't do

970
00:56:48,535 --> 00:56:50,295
Speaker 14: if you want to take the risk. Take the risk,

971
00:56:50,335 --> 00:56:52,495
Speaker 14: but the chances are the paint's not going to dry

972
00:56:52,655 --> 00:56:54,535
Speaker 14: or the saint it's not going to be able to penetrate.

973
00:56:55,375 --> 00:56:58,135
Speaker 14: So it's very frustrating. I'm willing to sort of do

974
00:56:58,855 --> 00:57:00,975
Speaker 14: part of my house at the moment with staining, and

975
00:57:01,015 --> 00:57:03,455
Speaker 14: every time I get the time off to be able

976
00:57:03,455 --> 00:57:06,815
Speaker 14: to do it, either it's just rained and it's damp,

977
00:57:06,975 --> 00:57:09,135
Speaker 14: it's going to rain later that day, so don't want

978
00:57:09,175 --> 00:57:11,855
Speaker 14: to take the risk, or at the moment where I

979
00:57:11,895 --> 00:57:14,975
Speaker 14: am the humidity is like eighty five ninety percent and

980
00:57:15,055 --> 00:57:18,055
Speaker 14: nothing's really going to dry, so right, it's not worth

981
00:57:18,095 --> 00:57:18,695
Speaker 14: taking the risk.

982
00:57:19,055 --> 00:57:21,775
Speaker 6: So even if it's not raining or you're not worried

983
00:57:21,815 --> 00:57:24,215
Speaker 6: about rain, we do have to be aware of humidity

984
00:57:24,295 --> 00:57:28,015
Speaker 6: and its impact on timber drying and drying.

985
00:57:27,855 --> 00:57:32,135
Speaker 14: The coating's drying right, so waterborn coatings. If the humidity

986
00:57:32,175 --> 00:57:35,015
Speaker 14: is above sort of eighty five percent, there's too much

987
00:57:35,055 --> 00:57:37,535
Speaker 14: moisture in the air for the waterborn coatings to dry

988
00:57:37,575 --> 00:57:42,575
Speaker 14: properly or dry at all. So this check the humidity,

989
00:57:42,855 --> 00:57:48,095
Speaker 14: check the temperature, and check the sort of air movement. Honestly,

990
00:57:48,135 --> 00:57:51,815
Speaker 14: today it's a little bit overcast, there's a slight breeze,

991
00:57:51,855 --> 00:57:54,775
Speaker 14: and it's about eighteen degrees at the moment. It's almost perfect.

992
00:57:54,935 --> 00:57:58,575
Speaker 14: It's perfect conditions for drying. It's just whether everything's dry

993
00:57:58,695 --> 00:57:59,895
Speaker 14: enough to be able to put the paint on.

994
00:58:01,375 --> 00:58:03,615
Speaker 6: Because to be fair, I started to feel that I

995
00:58:03,695 --> 00:58:06,655
Speaker 6: was just using that as an excuse for not on

996
00:58:06,695 --> 00:58:07,535
Speaker 6: with these jobs.

997
00:58:07,855 --> 00:58:13,455
Speaker 14: But one hundred percent I've been the same. But you

998
00:58:13,535 --> 00:58:16,055
Speaker 14: really don't want to put all that time of effort

999
00:58:16,095 --> 00:58:18,375
Speaker 14: and money into doing job just to see it not

1000
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:20,535
Speaker 14: dry or get washed off. In the next domple.

1001
00:58:23,215 --> 00:58:28,015
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Yeah, I mean it's because you know,

1002
00:58:28,055 --> 00:58:30,615
Speaker 6: I had this idea. Okay, well, you know, it'll take

1003
00:58:30,615 --> 00:58:32,935
Speaker 6: a little while for the house to dry out through winter.

1004
00:58:33,775 --> 00:58:37,095
Speaker 6: We'll have some summer around now. I'll be cracking into it, right,

1005
00:58:37,095 --> 00:58:39,015
Speaker 6: I've got a long list of things that I want

1006
00:58:39,055 --> 00:58:42,375
Speaker 6: to get done, and I'm looking at it going. It's

1007
00:58:42,535 --> 00:58:44,055
Speaker 6: just it's just too damp.

1008
00:58:45,215 --> 00:58:48,295
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, generally you probably need a couple of days,

1009
00:58:48,455 --> 00:58:50,975
Speaker 14: two to three days for everything to try out. After

1010
00:58:51,055 --> 00:58:53,895
Speaker 14: a big dample, it just feels like just as you're

1011
00:58:54,255 --> 00:58:58,295
Speaker 14: on that time frame, there's another downpour at the moment.

1012
00:58:58,815 --> 00:59:01,495
Speaker 14: But you know, there's still plenty of time of summer left.

1013
00:59:01,495 --> 00:59:03,455
Speaker 14: I'm sure we'll get some good weather before it goes

1014
00:59:03,455 --> 00:59:03,935
Speaker 14: into winter.

1015
00:59:05,015 --> 00:59:07,815
Speaker 6: I admire your optimism. I really hope so too. And look,

1016
00:59:07,975 --> 00:59:09,975
Speaker 6: you know, in light of what's happening in the Trahonga

1017
00:59:10,295 --> 00:59:12,775
Speaker 6: and around the country, you and I worried about our

1018
00:59:12,775 --> 00:59:17,095
Speaker 6: timber drying out this small fry, But you know it's

1019
00:59:17,215 --> 00:59:19,415
Speaker 6: if you're trying to contract in this weather as well,

1020
00:59:19,415 --> 00:59:20,455
Speaker 6: that's really hard.

1021
00:59:21,095 --> 00:59:23,855
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's hard for the guys. Usually winters tough, and

1022
00:59:24,015 --> 00:59:27,175
Speaker 14: summer are busy and at the moment it's that sort

1023
00:59:27,175 --> 00:59:29,735
Speaker 14: of struggling to get work completely.

1024
00:59:29,855 --> 00:59:33,135
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely right. Let's get among some of the texts

1025
00:59:33,135 --> 00:59:36,455
Speaker 6: that are coming in morning, Pete, I'm getting in early.

1026
00:59:36,535 --> 00:59:40,255
Speaker 6: I want to repaint a timber retaining wall. What preppers

1027
00:59:40,295 --> 00:59:45,135
Speaker 6: needed before repainting? Please, water blasts or not before painting.

1028
00:59:45,255 --> 00:59:49,295
Speaker 6: So let's assume that the retaining wall has got maybe

1029
00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:52,655
Speaker 6: a stain on it rather than paint yep.

1030
00:59:52,935 --> 00:59:57,215
Speaker 14: Okay, and so obviously water blasting is the easy option,

1031
00:59:57,375 --> 01:00:00,455
Speaker 14: but you can damage the the codings on there, you

1032
01:00:00,495 --> 01:00:02,815
Speaker 14: can damage the timber. So if you're going to use

1033
01:00:02,815 --> 01:00:06,935
Speaker 14: the water blast, to use it on the low pressure. Also,

1034
01:00:07,335 --> 01:00:11,415
Speaker 14: like I mean, I've got an extendable soft or medium

1035
01:00:11,455 --> 01:00:14,295
Speaker 14: bristle brush that connects to a hose that you can

1036
01:00:14,455 --> 01:00:18,775
Speaker 14: use make up a solution of cleaner. I recommend razine

1037
01:00:18,815 --> 01:00:21,095
Speaker 14: paint prepp and house washments with the water and sort

1038
01:00:21,095 --> 01:00:23,815
Speaker 14: of scrub it on and then hose it off just

1039
01:00:23,855 --> 01:00:28,015
Speaker 14: so you remove any contaminants on the surface. After that,

1040
01:00:28,055 --> 01:00:30,215
Speaker 14: if it's stained and you're going to paint, you would

1041
01:00:30,215 --> 01:00:33,015
Speaker 14: need to use an oil based primer, so razine wood

1042
01:00:33,055 --> 01:00:37,615
Speaker 14: primer followed by usually razine lumber cider, so just achine

1043
01:00:38,295 --> 01:00:42,775
Speaker 14: machine top coat. Obviously, if it's already painted, you could

1044
01:00:42,855 --> 01:00:44,735
Speaker 14: just give it a clean and goes straight on with

1045
01:00:44,775 --> 01:00:45,815
Speaker 14: the razine lumber sider.

1046
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:49,495
Speaker 6: If the existing paint's in reasonable condition.

1047
01:00:49,775 --> 01:00:51,615
Speaker 14: Yeah, good condition.

1048
01:00:51,655 --> 01:00:55,775
Speaker 6: Alrighty old face aboard. What preparation and paint would you use?

1049
01:00:55,815 --> 01:00:57,535
Speaker 6: It's from Peter and Auckland.

1050
01:00:58,895 --> 01:00:59,615
Speaker 9: So a lot of.

1051
01:01:01,175 --> 01:01:03,735
Speaker 14: It depends what the fature is. If it's fiber cement,

1052
01:01:03,935 --> 01:01:05,935
Speaker 14: you'd be obviously cleaning it down.

1053
01:01:06,495 --> 01:01:09,415
Speaker 6: No, let's it'll be facial timber.

1054
01:01:09,975 --> 01:01:14,655
Speaker 14: I'm just looking at my feet and thinking fission so fat.

1055
01:01:14,975 --> 01:01:17,215
Speaker 14: So you spot prime with razine quick Dry, which is

1056
01:01:17,215 --> 01:01:20,895
Speaker 14: a water borne primer, and then depending on the gloss

1057
01:01:20,975 --> 01:01:26,295
Speaker 14: level you're wanting to go, usually Razine Sonics which is semigloss,

1058
01:01:26,495 --> 01:01:28,055
Speaker 14: or lumbersider which is low.

1059
01:01:28,015 --> 01:01:32,535
Speaker 6: She okay, best product of paint a front porch? And

1060
01:01:32,575 --> 01:01:37,255
Speaker 6: how do I remove the old bubbling paint? It's from Tracy,

1061
01:01:37,535 --> 01:01:41,895
Speaker 6: so yeah, bubbling paint first, let's deal with it.

1062
01:01:43,015 --> 01:01:45,975
Speaker 14: So, I mean, if we're talking sort of flooring in

1063
01:01:46,015 --> 01:01:50,415
Speaker 14: the porch areas and maybe concrete or even if it's

1064
01:01:50,495 --> 01:01:59,335
Speaker 14: timber or bubbling paint, to remove it a scraper, depending

1065
01:01:59,375 --> 01:02:01,615
Speaker 14: on the sort of surface and it's timber, you've got

1066
01:02:01,615 --> 01:02:05,015
Speaker 14: to be careful not to damage it. If it's concrete,

1067
01:02:05,095 --> 01:02:10,375
Speaker 14: you can sort of get in scrape. Then if the

1068
01:02:10,455 --> 01:02:13,615
Speaker 14: rest of the coding is around it are pretty sound,

1069
01:02:13,695 --> 01:02:16,415
Speaker 14: you'd give those edges the sand to feather them off

1070
01:02:16,815 --> 01:02:22,775
Speaker 14: so they're not sharp. Spot prime any bear area, obviously,

1071
01:02:22,855 --> 01:02:25,775
Speaker 14: concrete would be razine shore seal, which is sultent porn

1072
01:02:25,895 --> 01:02:29,215
Speaker 14: pigmented seila. If it's timber again you could use the

1073
01:02:29,295 --> 01:02:34,575
Speaker 14: razine quick dry or wood primer. And then if it's

1074
01:02:34,655 --> 01:02:39,455
Speaker 14: a port floor, we've got non skid deck and path

1075
01:02:39,615 --> 01:02:42,815
Speaker 14: which has got an aggregate for sort of non slip

1076
01:02:43,015 --> 01:02:47,615
Speaker 14: capabilities in it. There's razine walk on which is less

1077
01:02:48,015 --> 01:02:49,895
Speaker 14: gritted in there, or lumbersider.

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01:02:51,575 --> 01:02:55,615
Speaker 6: It's interesting too that some councils during final inspection if

1079
01:02:55,855 --> 01:02:58,695
Speaker 6: they're actually wanting you to prove that it's got some

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01:02:58,735 --> 01:03:02,895
Speaker 6: sort of slip resistance in it. On painted surfaces approaching a.

1081
01:03:02,935 --> 01:03:06,815
Speaker 14: Doorway, obviously we've got an added to if you can

1082
01:03:06,855 --> 01:03:09,455
Speaker 14: add in as well, so you could if that's the

1083
01:03:09,495 --> 01:03:12,095
Speaker 14: requirement you find out you can sort of put a

1084
01:03:12,095 --> 01:03:15,335
Speaker 14: coat of paint down, then sprinkle on the additive and

1085
01:03:15,375 --> 01:03:17,135
Speaker 14: then when that's dry, you give it a sweep to

1086
01:03:17,215 --> 01:03:19,775
Speaker 14: remove anything that's loose, and ye put another coat down

1087
01:03:19,815 --> 01:03:20,215
Speaker 14: on top.

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01:03:20,655 --> 01:03:24,015
Speaker 6: Okay, brilliant. Now this is a house nineteen seventies clad

1089
01:03:24,215 --> 01:03:26,895
Speaker 6: in concrete brick, which I think is an old summit stone.

1090
01:03:26,935 --> 01:03:29,895
Speaker 6: I'm doing an extincsion. The brick's no longer available, I'm

1091
01:03:29,895 --> 01:03:32,015
Speaker 6: going to use a similar sized one, and then I'm

1092
01:03:32,015 --> 01:03:35,335
Speaker 6: going to paint the exterior. Question how do I prepare

1093
01:03:35,495 --> 01:03:38,255
Speaker 6: and paint the exterior of an existing brick home.

1094
01:03:40,455 --> 01:03:45,255
Speaker 14: So obviously, treat for any moss and mole like with

1095
01:03:45,815 --> 01:03:48,855
Speaker 14: moss molekular, give it clean with the paint prep and

1096
01:03:48,855 --> 01:03:51,535
Speaker 14: the house wash. If it's not painted at the moment

1097
01:03:51,935 --> 01:03:56,295
Speaker 14: and in good condition, you can use seeing concrete pymer.

1098
01:03:56,735 --> 01:04:00,055
Speaker 14: If the brick's a bit older, in a bit powdery

1099
01:04:00,095 --> 01:04:02,535
Speaker 14: in places, you're better off to use the shore seal

1100
01:04:03,695 --> 01:04:06,815
Speaker 14: and then top coats. Again you can use depending on

1101
01:04:07,015 --> 01:04:09,615
Speaker 14: sort of gloss level and the style of brick. A

1102
01:04:09,615 --> 01:04:12,735
Speaker 14: lot of the time, again it'll be lumbersider, but you

1103
01:04:12,775 --> 01:04:17,535
Speaker 14: could use sonics as well as a semi gloss finished. Obviously,

1104
01:04:17,575 --> 01:04:20,215
Speaker 14: while you're cleaning it and keeping nine everything, check the

1105
01:04:20,575 --> 01:04:23,455
Speaker 14: grout and pointing and if that needs any work, do

1106
01:04:23,575 --> 01:04:25,535
Speaker 14: that before you start painting.

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01:04:25,135 --> 01:04:29,655
Speaker 6: Right, yes, yes, absolutely. Now someone's got a powder coated

1108
01:04:29,815 --> 01:04:33,415
Speaker 6: automatic opening gate, so maybe an entrance way or at

1109
01:04:33,695 --> 01:04:37,295
Speaker 6: a driveway or something like that. Can I repaint it

1110
01:04:37,335 --> 01:04:40,855
Speaker 6: without repowder coating it repowder coating?

1111
01:04:41,295 --> 01:04:44,415
Speaker 14: Yeah, So it depends on the condition. And look at

1112
01:04:44,495 --> 01:04:47,895
Speaker 14: the time, that sort of powder coating can get quite

1113
01:04:48,375 --> 01:04:50,895
Speaker 14: quite chalky, so it needs a real good clean down.

1114
01:04:51,095 --> 01:04:53,255
Speaker 14: Again with Razin paint prep in the house wash, it's

1115
01:04:53,295 --> 01:04:56,375
Speaker 14: brilliant for removing that sort of chalky coating on the surface.

1116
01:04:57,895 --> 01:05:00,455
Speaker 14: And then the best system you'd be looking at armor

1117
01:05:00,495 --> 01:05:04,295
Speaker 14: Coat two two one and Urocreill four oh two or

1118
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:07,895
Speaker 14: four oh three, depending on the gloss level. Those products

1119
01:05:07,935 --> 01:05:11,415
Speaker 14: are two pop products, so there's a bit more sort

1120
01:05:11,415 --> 01:05:14,775
Speaker 14: of preparation and getting the products ready for use, and

1121
01:05:14,815 --> 01:05:17,855
Speaker 14: they probably smell a bit more, but they're going to

1122
01:05:17,895 --> 01:05:20,415
Speaker 14: last a lot longer on that sort of substrate.

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01:05:20,895 --> 01:05:25,495
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, Pat, I've got a late nineteen eighties house

1124
01:05:25,535 --> 01:05:28,535
Speaker 6: with dark brown brick. It's some time in the past

1125
01:05:28,575 --> 01:05:31,855
Speaker 6: someone has been painting the safits and they've got white

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01:05:32,015 --> 01:05:35,335
Speaker 6: paint on the brown brick. How can I remove that?

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01:05:36,375 --> 01:05:36,615
Speaker 7: Oh?

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01:05:37,535 --> 01:05:40,815
Speaker 14: It's just so now you really want people to mask

1129
01:05:40,935 --> 01:05:44,815
Speaker 14: up beforehand to avoid that sort of thing. So if

1130
01:05:44,815 --> 01:05:49,815
Speaker 14: it's waterborn paint mass, we'll soften the water porn paint, yes,

1131
01:05:50,335 --> 01:05:54,335
Speaker 14: or paint stripper, but so see the skies like a

1132
01:05:54,495 --> 01:05:57,655
Speaker 14: gel type stripper, so you can spot it on those areas.

1133
01:05:58,495 --> 01:06:03,415
Speaker 14: It should hopefully help remove some of the paint yep. Obviously,

1134
01:06:03,415 --> 01:06:06,495
Speaker 14: brick's pretty porous, so trying to remove everything is going

1135
01:06:06,535 --> 01:06:07,335
Speaker 14: to be pretty tricky.

1136
01:06:07,975 --> 01:06:11,175
Speaker 6: That's the hard thing, isn't it. That paint obviously, you know,

1137
01:06:11,535 --> 01:06:16,015
Speaker 6: draws into the substrate, into those microscopic pores. So yeah,

1138
01:06:16,055 --> 01:06:18,015
Speaker 6: you can scrape the top off, but then you've got

1139
01:06:18,015 --> 01:06:21,055
Speaker 6: that residue that sits just below the surface, which leaves

1140
01:06:21,055 --> 01:06:22,215
Speaker 6: like a shadow, doesn't it.

1141
01:06:23,015 --> 01:06:25,895
Speaker 14: Yeah, so it's tricky once it's on, something like that

1142
01:06:25,975 --> 01:06:27,655
Speaker 14: becomes difficult to fully remove.

1143
01:06:28,535 --> 01:06:30,815
Speaker 6: They too might be looking at repainting their.

1144
01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:34,655
Speaker 14: Brickcasts, or depending on the bricks, if there's a color

1145
01:06:34,695 --> 01:06:39,135
Speaker 14: that matches quite close. We've obviously got lowchine and lumber

1146
01:06:39,135 --> 01:06:41,255
Speaker 14: side the mate now as well, you might be able

1147
01:06:41,255 --> 01:06:43,975
Speaker 14: to just kind of find a very similar color there

1148
01:06:44,615 --> 01:06:48,375
Speaker 14: to the brick to just hide that spill. Dore or

1149
01:06:48,415 --> 01:06:50,935
Speaker 14: the cutting in lines if you can't remove it, well, yeah.

1150
01:06:50,775 --> 01:06:53,695
Speaker 6: Sure, I just I'm thinking back to the question about

1151
01:06:53,695 --> 01:06:59,055
Speaker 6: repainting the retaining wall. Razine have got a new paint

1152
01:06:59,175 --> 01:07:02,295
Speaker 6: now specifically designed for the you know, like let's say

1153
01:07:02,295 --> 01:07:05,695
Speaker 6: you do a new fence and it's in tantalized timber

1154
01:07:06,335 --> 01:07:09,935
Speaker 6: and you want to paint it. Is a new paint

1155
01:07:10,015 --> 01:07:11,175
Speaker 6: formulated just for that.

1156
01:07:12,295 --> 01:07:17,495
Speaker 14: Yes, obviously it's always been Lumbersider or there was a

1157
01:07:17,575 --> 01:07:20,895
Speaker 14: Crown fence paint, but now they've brought out a landscape

1158
01:07:20,935 --> 01:07:24,335
Speaker 14: and timber range, right, so it's available in mind attending

1159
01:07:24,455 --> 01:07:27,255
Speaker 14: the color shops, and it's it's self climbing, so I

1160
01:07:27,335 --> 01:07:32,335
Speaker 14: can just go straight on onto the timber and landscaping

1161
01:07:32,415 --> 01:07:33,775
Speaker 14: and in this case retaining.

1162
01:07:33,455 --> 01:07:35,255
Speaker 6: War Yeah, brilliant.

1163
01:07:35,375 --> 01:07:36,095
Speaker 15: I've tried it out.

1164
01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:38,335
Speaker 14: I've just been using some Lumberside of black on my

1165
01:07:38,495 --> 01:07:42,415
Speaker 14: retaining wall. When I've run out of that, I'll get

1166
01:07:42,455 --> 01:07:42,735
Speaker 14: some of.

1167
01:07:42,775 --> 01:07:47,295
Speaker 6: The brilliant either.

1168
01:07:47,575 --> 01:07:47,735
Speaker 8: Hey.

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01:07:48,095 --> 01:07:50,615
Speaker 6: As always, Jay, thank you very much for your advice.

1170
01:07:51,775 --> 01:07:54,095
Speaker 14: Cheers mate, how nice today, you too, Good luck with the.

1171
01:07:54,095 --> 01:07:58,015
Speaker 6: Painting all this your news talks'd be that's Jay from

1172
01:07:58,455 --> 01:08:01,575
Speaker 6: Razine If you've got any questions of a technical nature.

1173
01:08:01,575 --> 01:08:03,855
Speaker 6: Of course, you just go and talk to the professionals

1174
01:08:03,975 --> 01:08:06,015
Speaker 6: at the color shop and I'm sure they'll be able

1175
01:08:06,055 --> 01:08:07,935
Speaker 6: to help you out. It is seven thirty six. We're

1176
01:08:07,935 --> 01:08:09,735
Speaker 6: going back to the call. So if you've got a

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01:08:09,815 --> 01:08:13,015
Speaker 6: question of the building nature eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1178
01:08:13,135 --> 01:08:16,935
Speaker 6: Got a couple of texts with regard to this warrata

1179
01:08:17,175 --> 01:08:22,815
Speaker 6: that ended up penetrating the wastewater pipe the sewer pipe

1180
01:08:22,855 --> 01:08:27,335
Speaker 6: basically inside Rose's house, and some comments and questions on that.

1181
01:08:27,775 --> 01:08:30,535
Speaker 6: If you've got a problem, give me a call. We

1182
01:08:30,615 --> 01:08:31,975
Speaker 6: can talk about it. We can see if we can

1183
01:08:32,015 --> 01:08:34,415
Speaker 6: find a solution. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the

1184
01:08:34,495 --> 01:08:35,135
Speaker 6: number to call.

1185
01:08:35,815 --> 01:08:38,415
Speaker 1: Doing other house sorting the garden asked Fete for a

1186
01:08:38,495 --> 01:08:41,775
Speaker 1: hand the resident builder with peta wolfcap call.

1187
01:08:41,655 --> 01:08:44,255
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, that'd be.

1188
01:08:45,135 --> 01:08:48,455
Speaker 6: Thanks for all your texts with regard to painting. There

1189
01:08:48,455 --> 01:08:52,175
Speaker 6: were some really good questions. Gay I appreciate the suggestion

1190
01:08:52,335 --> 01:08:55,135
Speaker 6: white paint spots on the brick, says this text, to

1191
01:08:55,495 --> 01:09:02,095
Speaker 6: paint a small mural on it. Yeah, why not? Oh

1192
01:09:02,175 --> 01:09:04,855
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1193
01:09:08,015 --> 01:09:10,815
Speaker 6: There's a couple of We had that call from Rose

1194
01:09:12,215 --> 01:09:15,175
Speaker 6: earlier on. This is a house that's four years old.

1195
01:09:16,375 --> 01:09:19,975
Speaker 6: Obviously there's been some problems with leakage, and what was

1196
01:09:20,095 --> 01:09:24,695
Speaker 6: discovered is that underneath the slab so where all of

1197
01:09:24,815 --> 01:09:29,615
Speaker 6: the waste pipes run underneath the house, somehow a warritor

1198
01:09:29,895 --> 01:09:34,615
Speaker 6: had been driven through the waste pipe. And this has

1199
01:09:34,775 --> 01:09:37,775
Speaker 6: only recently come to light. Given its a four year

1200
01:09:37,815 --> 01:09:40,735
Speaker 6: old house and so obviously now there is going to

1201
01:09:40,815 --> 01:09:45,495
Speaker 6: be a repair that needs to be repaired. It sounds

1202
01:09:45,695 --> 01:09:50,415
Speaker 6: like it's in the bathroom or in underneath the bathroom

1203
01:09:50,495 --> 01:09:56,015
Speaker 6: rather so in order to access it, whoever's undertaking the

1204
01:09:56,135 --> 01:09:59,975
Speaker 6: repair will need to lift the tiles, cut through the waterproofing,

1205
01:10:00,095 --> 01:10:05,415
Speaker 6: cut through the slab, find the warritor, cut that section

1206
01:10:05,575 --> 01:10:09,935
Speaker 6: of the pipe out, repair the pipe, reinstate the base course,

1207
01:10:10,495 --> 01:10:13,855
Speaker 6: tie the slab back together in a way that meets

1208
01:10:13,895 --> 01:10:17,135
Speaker 6: with an engineer's approval. Because cutting through a concrete slab

1209
01:10:17,175 --> 01:10:20,295
Speaker 6: that's got reinforcing on it that needs to be repaired properly.

1210
01:10:20,335 --> 01:10:23,775
Speaker 6: You need to ensure that water doesn't hydraulic up between that,

1211
01:10:23,855 --> 01:10:26,775
Speaker 6: because you've got effectively a cold joint between the concrete.

1212
01:10:27,255 --> 01:10:31,735
Speaker 6: Then the waterproofing membrane on the floor needs to be reinstated,

1213
01:10:31,775 --> 01:10:34,495
Speaker 6: and then the tiles need to be reinstated. A couple

1214
01:10:34,535 --> 01:10:36,175
Speaker 6: of people, and I have to say I had this

1215
01:10:36,295 --> 01:10:40,175
Speaker 6: question myself as well, How is it that it passed

1216
01:10:41,855 --> 01:10:49,455
Speaker 6: a test? What you do typically is once all of

1217
01:10:49,575 --> 01:10:54,255
Speaker 6: the in slab plumbing has been done where it exits

1218
01:10:54,295 --> 01:10:57,535
Speaker 6: the building, you can put a plug in there or

1219
01:10:57,575 --> 01:11:00,815
Speaker 6: there will often be a rotting iron inspection point. At

1220
01:11:00,855 --> 01:11:04,495
Speaker 6: that point, you can take the cap off the inspection point,

1221
01:11:05,015 --> 01:11:08,255
Speaker 6: put the plug in, fill it with water, and then

1222
01:11:08,615 --> 01:11:11,335
Speaker 6: you look at that for let's say, you know, twelve

1223
01:11:11,455 --> 01:11:14,895
Speaker 6: twenty four hours, and if the water level remains the same,

1224
01:11:15,575 --> 01:11:17,855
Speaker 6: then you know that all of the pipe work is sealed.

1225
01:11:17,895 --> 01:11:22,175
Speaker 6: Because every now and then maybe a glue joint fails

1226
01:11:22,415 --> 01:11:26,095
Speaker 6: or maybe one wasn't glued, or there's being damaged by

1227
01:11:26,135 --> 01:11:28,455
Speaker 6: another contractor and no one's put their hand up for it,

1228
01:11:28,935 --> 01:11:30,975
Speaker 6: and so it will fail, and then you'll go, okay, well,

1229
01:11:31,055 --> 01:11:34,295
Speaker 6: before we pour the concrete, we better go and fix that.

1230
01:11:34,455 --> 01:11:37,055
Speaker 6: Find it and fix it. So in this instance, somewhere

1231
01:11:37,055 --> 01:11:40,255
Speaker 6: along the line, I suppose it's possible that that water

1232
01:11:40,375 --> 01:11:43,695
Speaker 6: test passed and then the damage was done. But again

1233
01:11:43,775 --> 01:11:46,175
Speaker 6: people are going, how is it that a warrator ended

1234
01:11:46,255 --> 01:11:49,775
Speaker 6: up through the pipe at that late stage? What were

1235
01:11:49,815 --> 01:11:52,695
Speaker 6: they doing? Driving warratahs into the ground might have been

1236
01:11:52,815 --> 01:11:55,615
Speaker 6: right on the If it's right, it is baffling, I

1237
01:11:55,695 --> 01:12:00,815
Speaker 6: have to say. Having said that, on a job a

1238
01:12:00,975 --> 01:12:04,895
Speaker 6: number of years ago, out in the backyard, we had

1239
01:12:04,975 --> 01:12:11,135
Speaker 6: some little mobile, you know, tense gazebos set up so

1240
01:12:11,215 --> 01:12:17,215
Speaker 6: that we could have some cover. So and there is

1241
01:12:17,895 --> 01:12:21,535
Speaker 6: the and then it got windy, and so the gazebos

1242
01:12:21,535 --> 01:12:23,615
Speaker 6: were blowing away, and so one of the guys thought, well,

1243
01:12:23,655 --> 01:12:25,975
Speaker 6: what I'll do is I'll put some warratars in and

1244
01:12:26,055 --> 01:12:28,495
Speaker 6: we'll tie the legs of the gazebo to that, and

1245
01:12:28,575 --> 01:12:31,455
Speaker 6: that stopped the war reta or the gazebo from blowing

1246
01:12:31,535 --> 01:12:35,455
Speaker 6: away until at the end of the job. We were

1247
01:12:35,495 --> 01:12:37,855
Speaker 6: doing a video survey of the line as per the

1248
01:12:37,935 --> 01:12:42,975
Speaker 6: conditions of the consent, and the guy who was doing it,

1249
01:12:42,975 --> 01:12:45,375
Speaker 6: and I happened to be there at the time, goes, hey,

1250
01:12:46,055 --> 01:12:49,455
Speaker 6: look at this, and sure enough it was. It was

1251
01:12:49,535 --> 01:12:50,215
Speaker 6: a bullseye.

1252
01:12:51,095 --> 01:12:51,215
Speaker 12: Right.

1253
01:12:51,295 --> 01:12:53,655
Speaker 6: If you're playing darts or doing archery, you'd be impressed.

1254
01:12:53,695 --> 01:12:55,495
Speaker 6: It was a bullseye. It was a war retar that

1255
01:12:55,615 --> 01:12:58,455
Speaker 6: went straight through the top of the pipe and straight

1256
01:12:58,495 --> 01:13:02,655
Speaker 6: out the bottom of the pipe. I was like, ah, okay,

1257
01:13:03,055 --> 01:13:05,615
Speaker 6: so anyway we could identify where it was, we could

1258
01:13:05,615 --> 01:13:07,975
Speaker 6: dig it upfully, it wasn't too deep in the ground,

1259
01:13:08,615 --> 01:13:11,815
Speaker 6: repair it and so on. But at least something. I mean,

1260
01:13:12,015 --> 01:13:14,415
Speaker 6: I understand that these things happen, but generally you pick

1261
01:13:14,495 --> 01:13:17,215
Speaker 6: them up in testing later on. So I'm a little

1262
01:13:17,215 --> 01:13:19,975
Speaker 6: bit surprised that this wasn't picked up and testing. Either way,

1263
01:13:20,775 --> 01:13:25,695
Speaker 6: Rose Again, everyone that has texted has said, don't accept

1264
01:13:25,695 --> 01:13:28,935
Speaker 6: a cash settlement from the insurer and take the responsibility

1265
01:13:29,015 --> 01:13:32,935
Speaker 6: of the job at all. And nor should the insurer

1266
01:13:33,055 --> 01:13:35,695
Speaker 6: be forcing you or putting pressure on you to do that.

1267
01:13:35,855 --> 01:13:39,175
Speaker 6: I think that that's not great either. Oh eight hundred

1268
01:13:39,255 --> 01:13:41,495
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty is the number. Call. We will take

1269
01:13:41,535 --> 01:13:43,655
Speaker 6: short break. We'll be back with your calls in just

1270
01:13:43,775 --> 01:13:44,175
Speaker 6: a moment.

1271
01:13:44,415 --> 01:13:47,295
Speaker 1: Whether you're paidy the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering

1272
01:13:47,335 --> 01:13:48,855
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall.

1273
01:13:48,975 --> 01:13:53,615
Speaker 2: Give Peter wolf Caper call on eighty the resident.

1274
01:13:53,255 --> 01:13:56,455
Speaker 6: Build out on you dogs, b righty, Oh, good morning,

1275
01:13:56,495 --> 01:13:59,055
Speaker 6: welcome along to the show. Now in the next hour

1276
01:13:59,055 --> 01:14:01,495
Speaker 6: we're going to have quick chat with John Davies from

1277
01:14:02,295 --> 01:14:06,895
Speaker 6: pro Climber. Proclimber are hosting a series of building science

1278
01:14:07,215 --> 01:14:11,495
Speaker 6: seminars around the country, so christ Church, Wellington and Auckland,

1279
01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:13,735
Speaker 6: so we have a bit of a chat with him

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Speaker 6: about that. They're coming up first week of March actually,

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Speaker 6: so a really good opportunity for I guess people like myself,

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Speaker 6: trades people who are interested in building science to get

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Speaker 6: a little bit more information, or if you're already interested

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Speaker 6: in you want to hear from basically some world leading

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Speaker 6: experts on building science. That'll be a great opportunity. So

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Speaker 6: that's happening. We'll bring you some more details because we

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Speaker 6: have a chat with John from pro Climber after the break.

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Speaker 6: Your news talk set be it is seven forty eight Mike.

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Speaker 2: Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 12: Nice Yeah, solution for your WRETA in the pipe okay,

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Speaker 12: depending on the size of the pipe. So I went

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Speaker 12: for a company called TDT Environmental yep, and we do

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Speaker 12: a lot of gumatic and hydraulic cutting, yes, pats repairs

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Speaker 12: of pipes from the inside the pipe.

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Speaker 14: Okay.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Can I just add I wonder whether part of the

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Speaker 6: problem that Rose has got is the Waratah is still

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Speaker 6: in the pipe.

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Speaker 12: So that can be cut from inside the pipe, dependent

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Speaker 12: on the pipe size, cut out, flushed out, and then

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Speaker 12: pats repaired.

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Speaker 6: So it's a let's assume it's a residential building, right,

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Speaker 6: so chances are it's one hundred mili pipe in the

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Speaker 6: slab probably about if it's a bathroom, maybe if you're lucky,

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Speaker 6: the bathroom's on an exterior wall. But to get there,

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Speaker 6: the pipe might run five six meters to the exterior,

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Speaker 6: which would be your first point of entry. So if

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Speaker 6: it was five meters let's say, from the exterior, and

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Speaker 6: it's running and maybe it's not necessarily running in a

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Speaker 6: straight line, and then you've got to get a tool

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Speaker 6: all the way up there, cut the warritor are out.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 12: So we do that with a very similar to a

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Speaker 12: CCTV drain camera.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 12: It's like an attachment to one of those. Yes, either

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Speaker 12: work pneumatically or hydraulically, depending on how big the pipe is,

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Speaker 12: and then we can cut that using a camera from

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Speaker 12: inside the pipe. So a lot of the stuff that

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Speaker 12: we we do do is, for example, new builds where

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Speaker 12: there's been waste concrete that's gone down the store order. Yes,

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Speaker 12: what's the sewer line, and then we'll go and remove

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Speaker 12: that from inside the pipe.

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Speaker 6: Have you ever had to remove a plug from inside

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Speaker 6: the pipe? You know, the plugs that they use for testing. Yep, yep.

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Speaker 12: Wow, Wartie, we've cut out before. We've cut out fence

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Speaker 12: posts from bigger pipes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, through them. So there are solutions, okay, and that

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Speaker 6: don't necessarily involve cutting great big hole in the bathroom floor.

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Speaker 2: Ye cool, within the pipe.

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Speaker 6: Well, good on you for getting on the line. What

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Speaker 6: was the name of the company again, because I'm kind

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Speaker 6: of intrigued now, t d G t e G BG

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Speaker 6: Total Training Group Environmental t t d G Environmental. I'll

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Speaker 6: have a look online.

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Speaker 12: Yep, we do everything right up to eighteen hundred mel

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Speaker 12: uvq pippairs.

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Speaker 6: That's brilliant. That's brilliant. You know, obviously my background's carpentry

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Speaker 6: and building and so on, but I have to say

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Speaker 6: I'm endlessly fascinated by drainage work for something, and I'm

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Speaker 6: involved in a project at the moment where you know,

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Speaker 6: we're having to do quite a lot of CCTV work

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Speaker 6: to identify where a fault is, and I just quietly

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Speaker 6: I find it absolutely fascinating. So thank you very much

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Speaker 6: for that. That's absolutely brilliant, much appreciated. Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 6: Take care all the best you might.

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Speaker 7: That is.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's just one of those little weird obsessions that

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Speaker 6: you develop as you get older and you're in the

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01:18:21,135 --> 01:18:25,655
Speaker 6: trades and that sort of thing. But yeah, watching CCTV footage,

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Speaker 6: I can't believe I'm even saying this. Of the insider

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01:18:28,935 --> 01:18:31,455
Speaker 6: drain pipes I find absolutely fascinating. And then some of

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Speaker 6: the remedial stuff that you're able to do. This is

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Speaker 6: that classic of you know, where there's a problem, someone

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01:18:37,455 --> 01:18:41,255
Speaker 6: will develop a solution. That's commerce. That's absolutely brilliant. You

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Speaker 6: and news Talk said b it is seven fifty three. Now,

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01:18:46,015 --> 01:18:48,495
Speaker 6: we're always talking about maintenance and it feels like you

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01:18:48,615 --> 01:18:51,295
Speaker 6: fix one thing and something else pops up. So today

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Speaker 6: I've got Jacob here from Nanoclear to talk about how

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Speaker 6: we can minimize that maintenance on our window frames. Morning Jacob,

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Speaker 6: so tell me how is this possible?

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Speaker 15: Good morning, Peter. Well, Nanoclear is as close to a

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Speaker 15: one and done as you can get when it comes

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Speaker 15: to me on your aluminium window frames. Instead of consistently

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Speaker 15: painting or reseiling, like a subscription service. Would we believe

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Speaker 15: it's about protecting services properly in the first place.

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Speaker 6: So what actually makes it different from let's say normal

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Speaker 6: paint coating.

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Speaker 15: Oh, so nanoclear doesn't just sit on the surface of jewelerry.

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Speaker 15: It's like a care coat that works with the paint

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Speaker 15: to penetrate and bond all the way down to a

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Speaker 15: nano level. So it literally because part of the jewnery itself.

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Speaker 15: So nanoclaar looks better and then it lasts longer, and.

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Speaker 6: That matters in New Zealand, doesn't it?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 15: I mean how UV moisture and sea salt air are

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Speaker 15: brutal to aluminium, so Nanoclai protects the aluminium and doesn't

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Speaker 15: allow any of these environments through onto the color.

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Speaker 6: So that's less work long term.

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean as long as you wash your windows

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Speaker 15: in jewinery periodically, it's no work long term. Like we

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Speaker 15: guarantee the jownery will look brand new for at least

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Speaker 15: ten years, So Nanoclaire does the work for you.

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Speaker 6: So who is nanoclear best for?

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Speaker 15: Nanoclear works best on journey that's already faded, as long

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Speaker 15: as it's not literal crumbling away the Nanoclear tenure warranty

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Speaker 15: will protect it. So have a look at nanoclear dot

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Speaker 15: co dot z to see some past case studies and

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Speaker 15: see if Nanoclear is right for here.

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Speaker 6: Great talking with you this morning as always, Jacob, thanks

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01:20:17,935 --> 01:20:20,455
Speaker 6: very much, and again folks check it out online. It's

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Speaker 6: nanoclear dot co dot nz better.

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Speaker 2: Z b.

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Speaker 6: Indeed, you be coming up to five minutes away from

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Speaker 6: News top of the at five o'clock getting some people.

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Speaker 6: People share my fascination with defective drainage.

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Speaker 8: Pete.

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Speaker 6: I'm just a humble, old retired farmer, but I once

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01:20:47,655 --> 01:20:50,935
Speaker 6: repaired a rusted, galvanized, heavily leaking high pressure stock water

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01:20:52,135 --> 01:20:55,935
Speaker 6: supply pump by simply wrapping it with multiple layers of

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01:20:55,975 --> 01:21:01,455
Speaker 6: fiberglass cloth and generous amounts of resin. Job done. Yes,

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Speaker 6: but at least you could get access to it. I

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Speaker 6: think the challenge for Rose is that the pipe work

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Speaker 6: is underneath the concrete slab, which is in the on suite,

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Speaker 6: which might be some distance away from the exterior, so

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01:21:18,895 --> 01:21:21,295
Speaker 6: it actually Roses takes us back. The warritor went right

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Speaker 6: through it and it's still there. They've done the camera work.

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Speaker 6: The concrete has to come up if the membrane has broken,

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01:21:26,935 --> 01:21:28,615
Speaker 6: like you said, Pete, the whole lot has to come up.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting. Well, absolutely, it's interesting. But the tg TDG

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Speaker 6: suggestion is that they can remove that from inside the

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Speaker 6: pipe and then do the repair, which is like a

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Speaker 6: resin sleeve. I've seen this done on a number of occasions,

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Speaker 6: and often with public infrastructure as well, where let's say

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Speaker 6: it's old clay pipes or old concrete pipes that over

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01:21:58,095 --> 01:22:00,855
Speaker 6: time have moved and so on, or there's been some breakages,

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Speaker 6: and that they'll do like a resin sleeve. They insert

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Speaker 6: the sleeve and then adhere it into place, and then

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Speaker 6: go through cut out all of the inserts if they

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01:22:09,415 --> 01:22:12,015
Speaker 6: remember to get all of them, because otherwise you'll find

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Speaker 6: that it don't work anymore. So there's there is interesting

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Speaker 6: technology out there. Thank you very much for everyone who's

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Speaker 6: text through on that. I think it's it's fascinating. Radio.

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Speaker 6: We're back after New Sport and we're the top of

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Speaker 6: the hour at eight.

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Speaker 2: You're squeaky door or squeaky floor.

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01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:36,135
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

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Speaker 1: on News Talks dB.

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01:22:37,775 --> 01:22:40,375
Speaker 6: Yeah, when News Talks dB and the lines are open,

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01:22:40,375 --> 01:22:42,735
Speaker 6: the number to call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:22:42,815 --> 01:22:44,975
Speaker 6: We have time just for maybe one or two quick calls.

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01:22:45,015 --> 01:22:47,855
Speaker 6: Then we're going to be talking with John around this.

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Speaker 6: So I'm kind of excited about this. I'm excited about

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01:22:50,695 --> 01:22:55,415
Speaker 6: it because these are events that help inform all of us.

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Speaker 6: So what it is is it's the Building Science Summit

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01:22:58,695 --> 01:23:02,015
Speaker 6: of New Zealand and it's going to be held in Auckland,

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01:23:02,055 --> 01:23:06,255
Speaker 6: Wellington and christ Church actually the other way around christ Church, Wellington, Auckland,

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01:23:07,495 --> 01:23:10,535
Speaker 6: the Auckland one being on March the sixth. Will get

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01:23:10,575 --> 01:23:15,135
Speaker 6: the other dates from John shortly. To get tickets, you

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01:23:15,215 --> 01:23:19,415
Speaker 6: can go to event bright to get your tickets, but

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01:23:19,535 --> 01:23:23,615
Speaker 6: we'll find out what's included and kind of why it

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01:23:23,815 --> 01:23:29,295
Speaker 6: is as interesting. Well, I was having a chat to

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01:23:29,415 --> 01:23:32,415
Speaker 6: someone the other day saying that, you know, if we

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01:23:32,535 --> 01:23:37,335
Speaker 6: look back and I suppose I've got an engagement that

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01:23:37,455 --> 01:23:40,295
Speaker 6: extends back gosh next to you, it'll be forty years

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Speaker 6: since I started building. And so you look at that

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01:23:44,215 --> 01:23:46,495
Speaker 6: and you go, you know, what were we talking about

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Speaker 6: forty years ago? And I don't know that we were

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01:23:50,335 --> 01:23:53,935
Speaker 6: really some people were talking about building science. Building science

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01:23:53,975 --> 01:23:57,495
Speaker 6: isn't new Buildings have always been about science, but in

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01:23:57,655 --> 01:24:00,655
Speaker 6: terms of what you and I might have known, or

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01:24:00,735 --> 01:24:03,695
Speaker 6: what I might have known as a tradesperson, I don't

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01:24:03,735 --> 01:24:05,735
Speaker 6: know that there was a tremendous amount of knowledge that

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01:24:06,015 --> 01:24:12,095
Speaker 6: was readily available, whereas it dominates the discussion at the moment,

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01:24:12,175 --> 01:24:15,495
Speaker 6: and so it should. So you know, how does moisture

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01:24:15,535 --> 01:24:18,615
Speaker 6: impact on building? What are the properties of moisture, What

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01:24:18,815 --> 01:24:22,895
Speaker 6: happens with different temperatures inside of building, what happens to humidity.

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01:24:22,975 --> 01:24:25,495
Speaker 6: All of these sorts of things impact on the building,

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Speaker 6: and buildings need to be designed to cope with that.

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Speaker 6: So buildings need to be responsive to the science. And

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Speaker 6: that's I think what the site the summit's going to

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01:24:34,215 --> 01:24:35,855
Speaker 6: be about. But anyway, we're going to chat with John

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Speaker 6: in a moment about that. A quick comment from you, Paul,

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Speaker 6: good morning, Yeah, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Very well, what's up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I just find it amazing. I mean I'm British and

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Speaker 16: I've lived in Australia as well on Australian as well.

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Speaker 16: I find amount of regulation here is incredible. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 16: the building regulation. Surely you've got your act together over

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Speaker 16: so many years. You know, you have leaky buildings and

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01:25:07,455 --> 01:25:09,575
Speaker 16: it comes down to the poor old people that are

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01:25:09,615 --> 01:25:13,255
Speaker 16: living in them to front up with loads of money

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Speaker 16: to rectify that. Then you have buildings they're not heated enough.

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Speaker 16: Now recently they're not cool enough. But because you have

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Speaker 16: window restraints to stop children throwing themselves out of the windows,

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Speaker 16: of course, I mean, I just think it's totally ridiculous here,

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Speaker 16: and I think it's just created a whole industry of

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01:25:39,095 --> 01:25:44,695
Speaker 16: people that like to find bits and pieces with buildings.

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Speaker 16: Honest to god, it's just gone ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: And you know, look, I'm tempted to bite back at

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01:25:53,255 --> 01:25:56,095
Speaker 6: what you say and so on. And interestingly enough, I

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Speaker 6: was in Where you come from the UK in December

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Speaker 6: and one of the people that I happen to spend

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Speaker 6: actually two people that I happen to spend some time with.

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Speaker 6: One is someone who works for a large group home builder,

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Speaker 6: one of a better term in the UK. The firm

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Speaker 6: that they work with builds of about twenty two thousand

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Speaker 6: houses a year, so I figure that they've got a

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Speaker 6: good insight as to what building and construction looks like

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Speaker 6: in the UK. They were talking about their amount of legislation,

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Speaker 6: and then I talked to another guy who is actually

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Speaker 6: a contractor working on houses building houses in the UK.

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Speaker 6: They were talking about their amount of regulations and rules

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Speaker 6: and so on. So I don't know that saying that

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Speaker 6: we've got lots means that other countries don't. How they

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01:26:43,135 --> 01:26:47,215
Speaker 6: manage it, how the industry responds to it, and so on,

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Speaker 6: that might vary, but I think it's you know, in

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Speaker 6: terms of Western societies and so on, building regulations are there,

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01:26:55,575 --> 01:26:56,895
Speaker 6: We've all got to deal with them.

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Speaker 16: Well, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I'm

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01:26:59,815 --> 01:27:05,375
Speaker 16: just saying, surely over four generations of forty or fifty years,

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01:27:06,655 --> 01:27:12,255
Speaker 16: that could have been sorted out so long ago. I

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01:27:12,735 --> 01:27:15,175
Speaker 16: just don't like the buck being left with a poor

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01:27:15,215 --> 01:27:18,655
Speaker 16: old person that's bought a leaky a so called shaky

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01:27:18,735 --> 01:27:21,695
Speaker 16: building and they can't sell it. An had a friend

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01:27:21,815 --> 01:27:25,815
Speaker 16: in Auckland a fabulous house, but it's been deemed a

1512
01:27:26,015 --> 01:27:30,175
Speaker 16: leaky house. You know, why wasn't that identified?

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01:27:31,335 --> 01:27:32,375
Speaker 9: Like Janet.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if we want to, we could have a

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01:27:35,695 --> 01:27:38,975
Speaker 6: long discussion around the origins and so on, and why

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01:27:39,095 --> 01:27:41,615
Speaker 6: we ended up with a leaky building crisis and so

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01:27:41,695 --> 01:27:44,255
Speaker 6: on and so forth, because there is a lot of

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01:27:44,335 --> 01:27:46,655
Speaker 6: research that's been done and I think there is a

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01:27:46,815 --> 01:27:49,375
Speaker 6: clear pathway to how we got to where we got to,

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01:27:49,895 --> 01:27:52,775
Speaker 6: and then out of that you can also see how

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01:27:53,055 --> 01:27:57,255
Speaker 6: what we build today is influenced by let's say the failures.

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01:27:57,295 --> 01:28:00,575
Speaker 6: There are responses to that. So if you look at

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01:28:00,775 --> 01:28:04,935
Speaker 6: you know, flashing details and cavities and drainage and these

1524
01:28:04,975 --> 01:28:09,895
Speaker 6: sorts of things, they're all response to construction methodology that failed.

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Speaker 16: So it might be, but don't keep on coming up

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01:28:13,815 --> 01:28:17,095
Speaker 16: with new stuff like the child restraint things. Yeah, you

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01:28:17,255 --> 01:28:20,175
Speaker 16: put those in so children can't throw themselves out of

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01:28:20,655 --> 01:28:22,895
Speaker 16: the top floor, but now you're.

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01:28:22,815 --> 01:28:28,575
Speaker 6: Saying they're not cooling us, and it I think the

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01:28:28,735 --> 01:28:32,415
Speaker 6: home owners probably unintentionally, you've ended up stumbling on what

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01:28:32,695 --> 01:28:35,775
Speaker 6: is a genuine issue, which is when you do calculations

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01:28:35,815 --> 01:28:39,175
Speaker 6: for ventilation on a house, you look at a window

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01:28:39,295 --> 01:28:42,135
Speaker 6: size and you assume that the window can open. But

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01:28:42,295 --> 01:28:45,735
Speaker 6: then the other part of the building requirements means that

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01:28:46,135 --> 01:28:48,415
Speaker 6: because the window allows you to fall more than a

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01:28:48,495 --> 01:28:51,495
Speaker 6: meter and it's less than seven hundred and sixty millimeters

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01:28:51,575 --> 01:28:53,415
Speaker 6: from the floor, then suddenly you have to put a

1538
01:28:53,495 --> 01:28:56,295
Speaker 6: restrictor stay on there. So that window, which might have

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01:28:56,375 --> 01:28:59,495
Speaker 6: given you a square meter of ventilation, now can't open

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01:28:59,575 --> 01:29:02,015
Speaker 6: more than one hundred millimeters. So yes, we do have

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01:29:02,255 --> 01:29:04,775
Speaker 6: parts of the coding. We do have parts of the

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01:29:04,815 --> 01:29:07,535
Speaker 6: code that act against each other. And you're not the

1543
01:29:07,775 --> 01:29:10,695
Speaker 6: first person who pointed it out. That is the nature

1544
01:29:10,735 --> 01:29:14,615
Speaker 6: of regulation. I don't mean to be dismissive, but look,

1545
01:29:14,695 --> 01:29:16,815
Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying, and I think we've still

1546
01:29:16,855 --> 01:29:18,655
Speaker 6: got a long way to go. This is I mean,

1547
01:29:18,695 --> 01:29:21,295
Speaker 6: the building code in that sense is a living document, right,

1548
01:29:21,455 --> 01:29:23,535
Speaker 6: It changes and should be responsive.

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01:29:24,335 --> 01:29:24,495
Speaker 9: Right.

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01:29:24,655 --> 01:29:26,895
Speaker 6: Oh, thanks very much for that, Paul. Now I just

1551
01:29:26,935 --> 01:29:28,655
Speaker 6: want to take a moment today because there is this

1552
01:29:29,335 --> 01:29:33,895
Speaker 6: series of I'm big on education and learning, right, so

1553
01:29:34,055 --> 01:29:37,655
Speaker 6: I think as an industry, as people within the industry,

1554
01:29:37,775 --> 01:29:41,175
Speaker 6: trades people within the industry, it's a good idea if

1555
01:29:41,215 --> 01:29:43,055
Speaker 6: we keep learning. So where do you go and find

1556
01:29:43,055 --> 01:29:46,015
Speaker 6: out about new stuff and new ideas and new technology?

1557
01:29:46,055 --> 01:29:47,615
Speaker 6: Will you go along to seminars? And one of those

1558
01:29:47,655 --> 01:29:51,495
Speaker 6: seminars that's coming up is the Building Science Summit of

1559
01:29:51,775 --> 01:29:53,495
Speaker 6: New Zealand, and to tell us a little bit more

1560
01:29:53,495 --> 01:29:56,255
Speaker 6: about it and just have a general chat around building science.

1561
01:29:56,815 --> 01:30:00,735
Speaker 6: John Davies from pro Climate, very good morning, good one

1562
01:30:00,775 --> 01:30:05,615
Speaker 6: of better Now, just very briefly, you know, I'm looking

1563
01:30:05,695 --> 01:30:10,055
Speaker 6: back to maybe being a young chippy in nineteen eighty seven. Now,

1564
01:30:10,175 --> 01:30:12,815
Speaker 6: I was really lucky to work with an outstanding boss.

1565
01:30:12,895 --> 01:30:17,735
Speaker 6: Tom was fantastic and he had I think, innovation at

1566
01:30:17,775 --> 01:30:20,335
Speaker 6: the forefront of his thinking. And so I don't know

1567
01:30:20,455 --> 01:30:23,055
Speaker 6: that we ever said that we were talking about building science,

1568
01:30:23,135 --> 01:30:26,295
Speaker 6: but we probably did. But in general, the notion of

1569
01:30:26,495 --> 01:30:30,815
Speaker 6: building science and building scientists feels like it's new ish,

1570
01:30:31,215 --> 01:30:34,255
Speaker 6: you know, fifteen twenty years. Certainly in the last ten years.

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01:30:35,855 --> 01:30:38,135
Speaker 6: Am I being overly optimistic?

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01:30:39,855 --> 01:30:41,855
Speaker 17: I don't know. I mean, I agree with you that

1573
01:30:42,055 --> 01:30:47,455
Speaker 17: the what you were doing was building science without naming it, right,

1574
01:30:48,975 --> 01:30:51,495
Speaker 17: and we're all doing that. So if you're in the trade,

1575
01:30:51,535 --> 01:30:54,135
Speaker 17: if you're in construction, if you're a designer, it's all

1576
01:30:54,615 --> 01:30:57,415
Speaker 17: building science. But you might not realize. And this is

1577
01:30:57,455 --> 01:31:00,335
Speaker 17: what's so intriguing to me about what we have in

1578
01:31:00,415 --> 01:31:03,135
Speaker 17: the industry. We've got these as you've just been talking about,

1579
01:31:03,135 --> 01:31:07,055
Speaker 17: these rules and regulations and even to going back to

1580
01:31:07,095 --> 01:31:10,255
Speaker 17: your previous core about the pipe and the technology that

1581
01:31:10,455 --> 01:31:14,575
Speaker 17: is available to fix. All of those things are building science,

1582
01:31:14,615 --> 01:31:20,055
Speaker 17: but actually it's a combination of materials and physics and

1583
01:31:21,735 --> 01:31:24,775
Speaker 17: basicly you know, well I say basic, that's probably the

1584
01:31:24,855 --> 01:31:25,895
Speaker 17: westward to use.

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01:31:25,775 --> 01:31:26,695
Speaker 6: In this sulation.

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Speaker 17: But those things all.

1587
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Speaker 7: Have an impact.

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01:31:30,295 --> 01:31:33,175
Speaker 17: That's just science, that's just applied science, and that's what

1589
01:31:33,255 --> 01:31:35,495
Speaker 17: we have to be as an industry. We have to

1590
01:31:35,535 --> 01:31:37,415
Speaker 17: be a little bit smarter in the way that we

1591
01:31:37,935 --> 01:31:39,495
Speaker 17: apply all of that science.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I suppose it's always thrown into sharp relief

1593
01:31:45,295 --> 01:31:48,615
Speaker 6: when we see failures, right when we see failures of

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01:31:48,695 --> 01:31:54,255
Speaker 6: the building envelope alah, leaky building syndrome, or yesterday I

1595
01:31:54,495 --> 01:31:57,415
Speaker 6: was at a house looking at some It was actually

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01:31:57,495 --> 01:32:01,615
Speaker 6: cedar cladding on a house built probably about thirty five

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01:32:01,815 --> 01:32:07,375
Speaker 6: years ago, where there's extensive decay to the exterior cladding,

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01:32:07,735 --> 01:32:09,895
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking about how they would have built it then,

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01:32:09,935 --> 01:32:12,535
Speaker 6: which would have been to the code. But it still

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01:32:12,895 --> 01:32:16,015
Speaker 6: hasn't been good enough to give that cladding. Well, I

1601
01:32:16,095 --> 01:32:20,495
Speaker 6: guess it's succeeded. It's fifteen year warranty, but the actual

1602
01:32:20,735 --> 01:32:24,775
Speaker 6: because it's starting to decay in parts, the actual framing

1603
01:32:24,895 --> 01:32:27,415
Speaker 6: is starting to decay, and that's within the fifty year warranty.

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01:32:27,855 --> 01:32:30,015
Speaker 6: So if we were looking at how we would clad

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01:32:30,055 --> 01:32:33,335
Speaker 6: a building today, it would be radically different to what

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01:32:33,455 --> 01:32:35,175
Speaker 6: they were doing even thirty years ago.

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01:32:36,255 --> 01:32:40,135
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, and I think this is what is to me,

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01:32:41,135 --> 01:32:44,615
Speaker 17: this is the crux of it. We've got newer buildings

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01:32:44,855 --> 01:32:47,415
Speaker 17: now at your building new it's a new building right

1610
01:32:47,495 --> 01:32:50,975
Speaker 17: by default, but we're trying to run those use those

1611
01:32:52,055 --> 01:32:56,135
Speaker 17: as if they were older buildings. We do what we've

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01:32:56,175 --> 01:32:59,135
Speaker 17: always done, and buildings where we really need to be

1613
01:32:59,255 --> 01:33:02,455
Speaker 17: running them differently. I don't know what the best analogy

1614
01:33:02,535 --> 01:33:05,135
Speaker 17: to get that across the line. As you know, if

1615
01:33:05,175 --> 01:33:09,535
Speaker 17: you've just bought a full electric car, you don't continue

1616
01:33:09,655 --> 01:33:13,815
Speaker 17: to put petrol in it or try to. It's you

1617
01:33:14,055 --> 01:33:17,055
Speaker 17: have to run it differently. And if you've got a

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01:33:17,215 --> 01:33:20,895
Speaker 17: new house, and when I say new, I'm really meaning

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01:33:21,015 --> 01:33:23,975
Speaker 17: a house which has insulation, because a lot of people

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01:33:24,495 --> 01:33:28,615
Speaker 17: there's this underlying belief that or maybe it's that statement,

1621
01:33:28,695 --> 01:33:32,295
Speaker 17: and you'll likely hear it quite a lot, Peter, we did,

1622
01:33:32,455 --> 01:33:35,295
Speaker 17: you know, We're okay, we opened our windows, We grew

1623
01:33:35,375 --> 01:33:38,535
Speaker 17: up in a leaky drafting, cold time, and I'm okay,

1624
01:33:38,655 --> 01:33:41,815
Speaker 17: you know, like it's all of that, that's true. Those

1625
01:33:41,895 --> 01:33:46,175
Speaker 17: houses weren't unhealthy. There's this razy period of time where

1626
01:33:46,255 --> 01:33:49,775
Speaker 17: we insulated, but we didn't change how we ran the home.

1627
01:33:49,935 --> 01:33:53,335
Speaker 17: And that's still carrying on today, and you're going back

1628
01:33:53,615 --> 01:33:56,415
Speaker 17: just straight to your previous core about the windows, you know,

1629
01:33:57,735 --> 01:34:01,535
Speaker 17: the whole operable window thing, that calculation which is made.

1630
01:34:01,655 --> 01:34:05,055
Speaker 17: That's it's a standard from nineteen forty three which is

1631
01:34:05,135 --> 01:34:08,935
Speaker 17: still being applied now as the rule of how to

1632
01:34:09,015 --> 01:34:13,375
Speaker 17: ventilate your home. So instead of taking some new word technology,

1633
01:34:13,655 --> 01:34:16,895
Speaker 17: you know, mechanical ventilation is a classic example of just

1634
01:34:17,015 --> 01:34:19,735
Speaker 17: a claim that's not new technology, by the way, putting

1635
01:34:19,735 --> 01:34:21,535
Speaker 17: a ban in a building, right, that's not new, But

1636
01:34:22,135 --> 01:34:25,175
Speaker 17: it's a different way of running your building. So we've

1637
01:34:25,215 --> 01:34:30,495
Speaker 17: got different ways of combining materials and a home, so

1638
01:34:30,655 --> 01:34:34,015
Speaker 17: run it differently. We've got to understand that differently. That

1639
01:34:34,255 --> 01:34:38,255
Speaker 17: comes back to the understanding of the building science and

1640
01:34:38,455 --> 01:34:42,855
Speaker 17: the materials and the physics and bringing that into a

1641
01:34:42,975 --> 01:34:46,855
Speaker 17: better understanding. Coming back to your point, education is key

1642
01:34:47,055 --> 01:34:50,695
Speaker 17: in the space for homeowners as much as for designers.

1643
01:34:52,455 --> 01:34:55,455
Speaker 6: And actually we're going to take a short break, but

1644
01:34:55,695 --> 01:34:56,935
Speaker 6: I do want to come back and we'll have a

1645
01:34:56,935 --> 01:35:01,215
Speaker 6: look at what's included in this Building Science summit. If

1646
01:35:01,215 --> 01:35:03,375
Speaker 6: you can give us the dates and how to get tickets,

1647
01:35:03,615 --> 01:35:05,095
Speaker 6: we'll be back with you in just a moment. So

1648
01:35:05,175 --> 01:35:07,895
Speaker 6: John Davies is with us from pro Climber. They're the

1649
01:35:07,935 --> 01:35:10,935
Speaker 6: ones who are hosting essentially and have put together this

1650
01:35:11,095 --> 01:35:14,655
Speaker 6: building science summit that's traveling the country. We'll be back

1651
01:35:14,695 --> 01:35:15,815
Speaker 6: with John in just a moment.

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Speaker 6: from pro Climate, tell me about the seminar. Who's it

1677
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Speaker 6: aimed at and where can you find out? Where to

1678
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Speaker 6: get tickets? And when is it at?

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Speaker 12: Dates?

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Speaker 6: Times places?

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Speaker 17: Okay, So the Building Science Summit, it's aimed at a

1682
01:36:52,015 --> 01:36:56,015
Speaker 17: typically industry professional. It's not a closed door to anybody else,

1683
01:36:56,095 --> 01:37:05,215
Speaker 17: but we're looking at society engineers, Engineers Council and professionals builders.

1684
01:37:05,295 --> 01:37:08,095
Speaker 17: Designer is right across the kind of that that sphere

1685
01:37:08,735 --> 01:37:12,135
Speaker 17: and the topics that we've got are all around the

1686
01:37:12,295 --> 01:37:14,935
Speaker 17: building envelope, which was that phrase you years before.

1687
01:37:15,095 --> 01:37:17,855
Speaker 8: So that's the roof, the walls.

1688
01:37:17,775 --> 01:37:20,895
Speaker 17: The floor, the shell of the building. That's really what

1689
01:37:20,975 --> 01:37:23,455
Speaker 17: we talk about when we talk about the building envelope.

1690
01:37:23,815 --> 01:37:27,975
Speaker 17: This seminar series, it's running across across New Zealand, so

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Speaker 17: we've got the second of March we're in christ Church,

1692
01:37:30,895 --> 01:37:34,575
Speaker 17: the fourth of March we're at in Wellington, and the

1693
01:37:34,695 --> 01:37:39,455
Speaker 17: sixth of March we're in Auckland. The speaker lineup through

1694
01:37:39,495 --> 01:37:42,775
Speaker 17: that if that's of interest, really round the topics. So

1695
01:37:43,255 --> 01:37:46,135
Speaker 17: with our keynote, speaker is Heart the Console. He is

1696
01:37:46,215 --> 01:37:51,215
Speaker 17: coming across from Germany to talk about the software which

1697
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Speaker 17: he wrote a few years ago.

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01:37:53,295 --> 01:37:55,215
Speaker 9: But he wrote a.

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Speaker 17: Software package which allows us to analyze a wall or

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01:38:00,495 --> 01:38:04,375
Speaker 17: roof or flaw a combination of products in the environment

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01:38:04,415 --> 01:38:06,655
Speaker 17: where it's going to be built. So you you've been

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01:38:06,735 --> 01:38:09,935
Speaker 17: this off, but you've build up a combination of products

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01:38:09,975 --> 01:38:12,335
Speaker 17: and then you say, I'm going to have this type

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01:38:12,375 --> 01:38:15,975
Speaker 17: of weather near with data driven but this weather and

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01:38:16,175 --> 01:38:20,335
Speaker 17: then all of the internal challenges that that wall or

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01:38:20,415 --> 01:38:23,375
Speaker 17: that assembly will also face. So he's going to talk

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01:38:23,415 --> 01:38:27,575
Speaker 17: about lightweight timber buildings specifically. So that's that's pretty.

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01:38:27,375 --> 01:38:27,975
Speaker 8: Exciting for us.

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01:38:28,055 --> 01:38:31,575
Speaker 17: He's a fairly big, big name and the building science

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01:38:31,655 --> 01:38:36,815
Speaker 17: community worldwide. Sure, we've got a local Benji Simmons from Stark.

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01:38:37,055 --> 01:38:41,255
Speaker 17: So they build YEP, so they build windows, doors, they

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01:38:41,335 --> 01:38:46,415
Speaker 17: build an UPBC and an aluminum and he's coming to

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01:38:46,495 --> 01:38:49,655
Speaker 17: talk kind of on a commercial side of what they're

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01:38:49,735 --> 01:38:54,415
Speaker 17: offering is around certain wall and punched windows and all

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01:38:54,495 --> 01:38:59,215
Speaker 17: around the design and performance and the limitations and the

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01:38:59,335 --> 01:39:02,975
Speaker 17: technology which is sitting beneath that. So that's that's a

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01:39:03,095 --> 01:39:05,215
Speaker 17: that's a good win for us as well. Which Sam

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01:39:05,295 --> 01:39:11,055
Speaker 17: and Eden from a company called Babbage in Auckland. He's

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01:39:11,095 --> 01:39:13,855
Speaker 17: a facade engineer. He was I did actually ask him

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01:39:13,895 --> 01:39:17,615
Speaker 17: to talk about windows, like his expertise as around that space,

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01:39:17,695 --> 01:39:20,415
Speaker 17: but what he said was a I've got a whole

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01:39:20,455 --> 01:39:25,735
Speaker 17: lot of really interesting current case studies of roofing failure

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01:39:25,855 --> 01:39:29,255
Speaker 17: or challenges problems around the warm roofs. And so what

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01:39:29,495 --> 01:39:33,775
Speaker 17: he's going to bring as four elements of design of

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01:39:33,935 --> 01:39:36,895
Speaker 17: warm roofs that we should be looking at, four elements

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01:39:37,015 --> 01:39:40,935
Speaker 17: of construction, how to do warm roof construction better, and

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01:39:41,015 --> 01:39:45,175
Speaker 17: then four elements of how to keep control of that

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01:39:45,415 --> 01:39:48,615
Speaker 17: like when it's been built, how to monitor or how

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01:39:48,695 --> 01:39:53,895
Speaker 17: to maintain a warm roof. So that's a fairly new

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01:39:55,695 --> 01:39:58,695
Speaker 17: topic for us in the industry. And look beyond that,

1731
01:39:58,855 --> 01:40:02,455
Speaker 17: we've got two people who are talking quite in depth

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01:40:02,535 --> 01:40:07,575
Speaker 17: about testing standards, like the gap that we have between

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01:40:07,735 --> 01:40:10,695
Speaker 17: testing and the lab and which we do a lot

1734
01:40:10,775 --> 01:40:14,535
Speaker 17: of in the industry and then the real world outcome,

1735
01:40:14,695 --> 01:40:18,455
Speaker 17: the real world performance of those tested systems. So we've

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01:40:18,495 --> 01:40:21,935
Speaker 17: got Jesse Clark who's coming across from Australia from the

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01:40:22,095 --> 01:40:25,335
Speaker 17: climate to talk about a specific lot of testing and

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01:40:27,135 --> 01:40:29,975
Speaker 17: ended as forty eight four if people are really interested

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01:40:30,015 --> 01:40:34,335
Speaker 17: in digging into that. But we've also got Bernard Farrington

1740
01:40:34,455 --> 01:40:37,415
Speaker 17: from shall we write Test Labs here in Auckland, so

1741
01:40:38,055 --> 01:40:40,735
Speaker 17: he is talking about how they do that testing. So

1742
01:40:40,895 --> 01:40:44,695
Speaker 17: this is the combination of that testing standards, real world

1743
01:40:44,895 --> 01:40:48,375
Speaker 17: on site testing as well. And then finally we've got

1744
01:40:48,415 --> 01:40:51,415
Speaker 17: a guy called Brian Pubs. He's coming from a company

1745
01:40:51,615 --> 01:40:57,815
Speaker 17: in Vancouver in Canada, company called RDH and they they've

1746
01:40:57,855 --> 01:41:03,895
Speaker 17: got this decades of research and influence and guidance into

1747
01:41:03,975 --> 01:41:08,295
Speaker 17: the industry there around the SAR and envelope testing and

1748
01:41:08,895 --> 01:41:12,375
Speaker 17: materials testing. He is going to come and talk about glass.

1749
01:41:13,095 --> 01:41:16,735
Speaker 17: Now that might not sound interesting straight off the bat,

1750
01:41:16,815 --> 01:41:19,615
Speaker 17: but when you start talking about the technology which is

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01:41:19,655 --> 01:41:23,615
Speaker 17: available and insulated glass units I do use and the

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01:41:24,175 --> 01:41:29,455
Speaker 17: way that that can control help prevent overheating, prevent over cooling.

1753
01:41:29,615 --> 01:41:33,975
Speaker 17: Of course, looking at the performance and failures of those

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01:41:34,255 --> 01:41:39,215
Speaker 17: in the real world, and so Yeah, that's a that's.

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01:41:39,095 --> 01:41:44,815
Speaker 6: A there's a snapshot all right, coming absolutely brilliant. Now

1756
01:41:45,015 --> 01:41:48,255
Speaker 6: to get tickets, I see that you can get tickets

1757
01:41:48,295 --> 01:41:51,215
Speaker 6: on event right, or if you go to the pro

1758
01:41:51,295 --> 01:41:53,255
Speaker 6: Climber website you find it there, or if you search

1759
01:41:53,335 --> 01:41:55,735
Speaker 6: through social media it'll it'll pop up there. So what

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01:41:55,815 --> 01:41:59,015
Speaker 6: you're searching for is Building Science Summit of New Zealand

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01:42:00,055 --> 01:42:02,455
Speaker 6: and it is in that first week of March christ

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01:42:02,575 --> 01:42:05,895
Speaker 6: Church Wellington ending in Auckland here on the sixth of March.

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01:42:06,975 --> 01:42:08,975
Speaker 6: I have made a mental note to bring with me

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01:42:09,295 --> 01:42:09,895
Speaker 6: note paper.

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01:42:11,935 --> 01:42:13,455
Speaker 17: It's going to be a good day. It'll be a

1766
01:42:13,495 --> 01:42:15,655
Speaker 17: great day, but whichever venue you come to, it's going

1767
01:42:15,695 --> 01:42:16,255
Speaker 17: to be pretty good.

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01:42:16,455 --> 01:42:16,655
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:42:16,855 --> 01:42:18,775
Speaker 6: Really look forward to catching up with you then, John,

1770
01:42:20,615 --> 01:42:23,575
Speaker 6: much appreciated, Take care your news talk to be. That

1771
01:42:23,655 --> 01:42:27,255
Speaker 6: was John Davies, who I've known and worked with on

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01:42:27,335 --> 01:42:29,415
Speaker 6: different little projects. So that's going to be a really

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01:42:29,495 --> 01:42:33,415
Speaker 6: interesting one. The Building Science Summit Wellington, christ Church Auckland

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01:42:33,455 --> 01:42:36,695
Speaker 6: or christ Church, Wellington, Auckland. If you're in this space,

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01:42:36,895 --> 01:42:39,095
Speaker 6: it sounds like there are some tremendous I mean this

1776
01:42:39,255 --> 01:42:42,775
Speaker 6: is you know, international speakers coming to bring their advice

1777
01:42:42,855 --> 01:42:46,095
Speaker 6: plus some local companies like Stark who do the high

1778
01:42:46,135 --> 01:42:50,015
Speaker 6: performance U PVC joinery. So there's lots happening. It'll be great.

1779
01:42:50,695 --> 01:42:52,935
Speaker 6: It's going to be quite a learning week for me.

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01:42:52,975 --> 01:42:56,095
Speaker 6: I've got two days of study on the days beforehand,

1781
01:42:56,175 --> 01:43:01,695
Speaker 6: then the summit on the Friday. Oh, my little brain

1782
01:43:01,735 --> 01:43:03,695
Speaker 6: will explode. I think with all this new knowledge, it's

1783
01:43:03,735 --> 01:43:05,615
Speaker 6: going to be awesome. Right here, it is eight thirty.

1784
01:43:05,695 --> 01:43:08,495
Speaker 6: Let's get into the garden rid climb passed on the way.

1785
01:43:08,815 --> 01:43:11,055
Speaker 6: Lines are opened for you right now. Oh eight hundred

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01:43:11,175 --> 01:43:12,855
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty good.

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