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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tam podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks ABS. Not your weekend off the right

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Speaker 1: way Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It be.

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Speaker 3: More in a good morning. Welcome to news doalg V.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jack Tame with you through the midday day. Are

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Speaker 3: you sitting down? Are you sitting down? Because if you are.

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Speaker 4: It could be really dangerous.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: That's right after ten o'clock this morning. Our resident doctor

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Speaker 3: is in and he's been looking at research into sitting.

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Speaker 3: Just how dangerous is sitting? I know what you're thinking. Oh,

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Speaker 3: for good sake, First they came for the transfats, then

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Speaker 3: they came for the asbestos. Now they're coming for sitting.

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Speaker 3: Really now he's going to dig into the numbers and

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Speaker 3: tell us how much sitting is too much? Sitting this morning,

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Speaker 3: looking forward to that as well as that Apple has

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Speaker 3: made a massive move this week. You know how Apple

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Speaker 3: products have always been the kind of premium products when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the consumer market, So they usually have

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Speaker 3: the most expensive phones, the most expensive laptops, all that

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Well, they have made a big shift

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Speaker 3: this week and that they're introducing a whole heap of

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Speaker 3: cheaper stuff. Our texpert is going to give us his

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Speaker 3: thoughts on Apple's big move and whether the fact that

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Speaker 3: it's cheaper means that it's actually that much lower quality

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Speaker 3: than usual Apple stuff, as well as that before ten o'clock,

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Speaker 3: a delicious pan fried fish with potato salad recipe for

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Speaker 3: your weekend dinner if you're looking for a little bit

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Speaker 3: of inspiration. Right now, it's eight minutes past.

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Speaker 4: Nine, Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: My wife is Iranian. So the only reason, well, I guess,

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Speaker 3: the only reason she's in New Zealand, the only reason

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Speaker 3: our safe, peaceful, happy lives is that her parents had

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Speaker 3: the courage and good fortune to escape a terrible regime.

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Speaker 3: They faced extraordinary persecution in Iran for their beliefs. They've

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Speaker 3: still got family back home, and to say that it

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Speaker 3: has been an interesting week in our household would be

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Speaker 3: an understatement. I've been buried in the news, just buried

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Speaker 3: in it, like even more than usual. But you know

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Speaker 3: how it's just like so much coming at you all

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Speaker 3: the confusion and noise that comes in the immediacy of everything.

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Speaker 3: I have been reflecting a bit on three little components,

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Speaker 3: So three different things that I think have been underappreciated

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Speaker 3: the first is the asymmetric component to the war on

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Speaker 3: That kind of sounds all grandiose, but my sense, at

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Speaker 3: Trump sees this as a conventional war with conventional armies.

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Speaker 3: His jets are bombing the Iranian military institutions and defenses,

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Speaker 3: his military is targeting their military, His submarine is torpedoing

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Speaker 3: their warship. And he said this morning the war will

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Speaker 3: only end when Iran unconditionally surrenders, except, of course, even

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Speaker 3: if Iran does decide to unconditionally surrender, which I don't know,

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Speaker 3: seems unlikely to me, but who knows, Maybe they will,

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Speaker 3: that won't be it. That won't be the end of things.

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Speaker 3: In terms of conventional military firepower, Israel and the US

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Speaker 3: are obviously vastly better resourced than Iran, right but what

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Speaker 3: Iran or its proxies can do is attack soft targets.

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Speaker 3: What Iran can do is resource small pockets of radical

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Speaker 3: will be watching the war this week, and while I'm

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Speaker 3: sure many absolutely detest the Iranian regime, I'm sure there

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Speaker 3: will be some who will view this as a war

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Speaker 3: I think it's that the conflict is very likely to

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Speaker 3: the next few weeks. It might not come in the

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Speaker 3: next few months, but that's almost the point, right, You

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Speaker 3: never quite know. The second component I've been thinking about

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Speaker 3: I might draw a direct line between Iran's nuclear program

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Speaker 3: I might compare the fate of Iran or Libya or

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Speaker 3: only way to absolutely one hundred percent guarantee and fully

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Speaker 3: protect my sovereignty in a messed up world is to

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Speaker 3: get a nuclear weapon. I think it's very likely. I

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Speaker 3: think it's extremely likely that this war will lead to

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Speaker 3: other countries pursuing the bomb. And the third thing that

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Speaker 3: I've been reflecting on a bit is international law. And

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Speaker 3: I know this all kind of you know, gets a

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Speaker 3: present some evidence about Iran posing an imminent threat. Maybe

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Speaker 3: they will, but the relative futility of Iran's response so

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Speaker 3: far has proved they didn't pose an imminent threat, certainly

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Speaker 3: not to the United States. I thought it was telling,

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Speaker 3: actually that when Donald Trump made that video address, you

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Speaker 3: know how, he released a two minute video announcing the strikes,

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Speaker 3: he didn't even bother trying to make a legal case

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Speaker 3: about the US facing an imminent threat. And yet, and yet,

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Speaker 3: the same Western countries that have been wittering on about

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Speaker 3: I just don't understand why people can't appreciate it's possible

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Speaker 3: elements of international law. You can expect both of those things, right,

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Speaker 3: You can have both of those thoughts in your head

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Speaker 3: hypothetical scenario, right, But imagine a scenario a few months

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Speaker 3: from now where I don't know, imagine a Chinese fleet

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Speaker 3: What we'd bleat about international law?

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Speaker 1: Lol?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I just think there's every reason to think that

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Speaker 3: all that the concept of international law is basically dead.

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Speaker 3: But from New Zealand's perspective, what else do have? What

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Speaker 3: we cannot demand that our friends and partners play by

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Speaker 3: the rules. I'm sorry, but why on earth should we

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Speaker 3: expect anyone else to Team ninety two. Ninety two is

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Speaker 3: costs apply. We are going to look at race weekend

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Speaker 3: in Melbourne. This weekend, My gosh, there's a massive weekend

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Speaker 3: of sport. You've got what Blues says tonight AFC. You

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Speaker 3: had what they've got the black Caps Sunday Night, Monday Morning,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Time Track and Field Champs to so much

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Speaker 3: to be excited about this weekend. And then after ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock really really looking forward to this. My friend and colleague,

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Speaker 3: Barbara Driver, the one and only Barbara Drever, the iconic

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Speaker 3: Barbara Driver, is going to be with us in studio.

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Speaker 3: She just released a brand new book called Be Brave,

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Speaker 3: which tells her story is I don't know, maybe the

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Speaker 3: world's best known Pacific correspondence. Shall She'll be here with

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Speaker 3: us very shortly. Right now, it's quarter past nine. Kevin

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Speaker 3: Milner is in next, I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: Better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talk said, b.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your messages. Vast numbers of texts have

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Speaker 3: come in, everyone thinking I'm deluded. Of course, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two is the text number. Lots of

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Speaker 3: people saying, oh Jack, oh, you don't know anything about Iran. Yep,

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Speaker 3: that's probably true. And married to an Iranian refugee, that's right.

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Speaker 3: My entire in law's leader Rhan because of the oppressive regime.

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Speaker 3: But thank you for that. Jack, You are deluded. There

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Speaker 3: is no international law, there is no enforcement because the

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Speaker 3: UN is toothless. I mean, it's true that that the

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Speaker 3: with a rack. They tried that. They kind of went

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Speaker 3: went through the motions. They had the veneer of pursuing legitimacy,

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Speaker 3: whereas Trump doesn't care about that necessarily. It's just it's

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Speaker 3: interesting how much has changed over the last twenty two

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Speaker 5: Yes, I can't imagine how a difficult work it's been, really,

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Speaker 5: and I've been thinking about Marvor and Marver's family, and yes,

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Speaker 5: you will have some really really interesting insights and to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's no doubt it's complex

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Speaker 3: I think it's possible to both aboord the Iranian regime

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Speaker 3: inminate threat. I think it's pretty reasonable. I just think,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think international law, you know. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a nice lofty ambition. I'm realistic about the

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Speaker 3: kind of nature of international law and the UN and

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Speaker 3: everything in this day and age. But I just point

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Speaker 3: that We've got absolutely no other levers, We've got no

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Speaker 3: that this year so far, you know, you think about

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Speaker 3: out and have earned Trump's ire As a response anyway, Kevin, yeah, obviously, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of a point, but rather late in

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Speaker 3: life this week, you have made an interesting discovery.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So I'm moving into a slightly lighter note here.

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Speaker 5: Our family recently holidayed on the east coast of the country,

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Speaker 5: as opposed to the west coast of the North Island

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Speaker 5: at home, but never a sunrise, So at about five

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Speaker 1: Nine, getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 3: May nine past nine. Our sporto is Andrew Savill. He's

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Speaker 3: here this morning. Obviously had a pretty busy week so far, said,

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Speaker 7: Were you surprised busy week's been capped off? Trying to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's no one has yet answered me. No

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Speaker 7: People might like to write in about that you don't

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Speaker 7: Look speaking of a new doorn. Yes, Dave really wasn't

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Speaker 9: So hey, a lot happening before we let you go

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Speaker 9: the cricket. The cricket, I'm going, yes, caps she whiz. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't mean it that way, but she brings in,

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Speaker 7: she brings in elaborate lunches. Mine have face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll ask her about that. Are very good

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Speaker 3: to go and draw the weekend. We're catching in very soon,

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Speaker 3: Andrew savil Our Sport. Oh there, Jack, been thinking about

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Speaker 3: you and the family all week, looking forward to your

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Speaker 3: insights and as usual, found them balance and thought provoking.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Jack, I totally agree with you

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Speaker 3: this morning.

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Speaker 10: Jack.

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Speaker 3: For goodness sake, ask a farmer or anyone who gets

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Speaker 3: up at four am. They will explain it to you,

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Speaker 3: asked Mike Hosking. He's an early riser. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: they worked this out. I dawn dusk, sunrise, sunset at

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Speaker 3: about the same time as Stonehenge was constructed, says Joanne.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two. Ninety two is our text number. Twenty four

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Speaker 3: minutes to ten on Newstalks 'd be night talked to you.

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Speaker 3: Oh cube ride through and shoes come through my home

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Speaker 3: and I sound like, oh little is leave. Remember she

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Speaker 3: was our album of the week we well ago, maybe

448
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Speaker 3: the end of last year. Anyway, she's Icelandic. She's kind

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Speaker 3: of got a captivating sound as this is like a

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Speaker 3: little blend of jazz and classical and fuse songs and

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Speaker 3: show tunes in there as well. Anyway, she's announced she's

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Speaker 3: coming to New Zealand. She's got a special show at

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Speaker 3: Auckland Spark Arena in August. So that's great news. Twenty

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Speaker 3: one minutes to teen on News Talks, he'd be Francesca

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Speaker 3: Rudkins as our film reviewers. He's here with us this

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Speaker 3: morning and killed her morning. Two films to work through

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Speaker 3: this morning, two very different sounding films. So let's start

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Speaker 3: off with one that is showing in cinemas. Tell us

459
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Speaker 3: about serrut.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I saw this this week and I was

461
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Speaker 2: so taken back. But I have to talk about this film.

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Speaker 6: It isn't I How film by director called Oliver Luxey.

463
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Speaker 6: He is a regular attendee at the can Film Festival

464
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Speaker 6: and a regular winner.

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Speaker 2: This particular film.

466
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Speaker 6: There was a lot of height when it came out

467
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Speaker 6: that you know, this would be an art house kind

468
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Speaker 6: of crossover it of the year, and everybody's been talking

469
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Speaker 6: about it. It did screen on the New Zealand International

470
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Speaker 6: Film Festival, but it is finally now back on general

471
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Speaker 6: release here in New Zealand at our cinemas, just in

472
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Speaker 6: time for the Oscars, because it does have a handful

473
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Speaker 6: of OSCAR nominations, including Best International Feature, So.

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Speaker 2: You might've heard heard about it.

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Speaker 6: It is an existential, slow burning road trip thriller that

476
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Speaker 6: kind of explores how we all sort of stumbles through

477
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Speaker 6: life accepting what comes our way until we're sort of

478
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Speaker 6: faced with death or in their death experience, and the

479
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Speaker 6: director wants to kind of take us on this journey

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Speaker 6: through a group of lifelong ravers.

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Speaker 2: So it also sort of takes a look at Ray Cole.

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Speaker 6: And you know, essentially, Jack, we've all been dancing for centuries.

483
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Speaker 6: We have been dancing to feel something, release something, process something,

484
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Speaker 6: avoid something, celebrate something. You know, dancing is this way

485
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Speaker 6: of just being able to get to sort of get

486
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Speaker 6: to the bottom of who you truly are. And so

487
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:26,813
Speaker 6: the director is also really keen to kind of look

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Speaker 6: at this culture. And so the film starts off with

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Speaker 6: this rave and the Moroccan desert, and it's really lovely.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful, it's mesmerizing, the music's incredible. You just get

491
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Speaker 6: caught up in the visuals and the techno and it's

492
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Speaker 6: incredibly authentic. And it's authentic because this director loves to

493
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Speaker 6: work with non professional actors and he got a whole

494
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Speaker 6: lot of lifelong raivers who traveled from all over Europe

495
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Speaker 6: who came for this shoot. They basically said, you need

496
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Speaker 6: to play music his story days and will come and

497
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Speaker 6: so he did. And so we start there, but we

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Speaker 6: meet these two people who are very much out of place,

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Speaker 6: the father and his young son, and they're looking for

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Speaker 6: The father is looking for his daughter who disappeared six

501
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Speaker 6: months ago, and we.

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Speaker 2: Don't we don't know why she's disappeared.

503
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Speaker 6: We don't know whether she left home, she ran away,

504
00:28:10,493 --> 00:28:13,093
Speaker 6: she left time voluntarily. We don't know how they've lost touch.

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Speaker 6: We don't know anything about their relationship. But actually it

506
00:28:15,893 --> 00:28:17,253
Speaker 6: is a bit of an issue with this film that

507
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Speaker 6: a lot of the characters are never put into context,

508
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Speaker 6: and they are so fascinating and so interesting you want

509
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Speaker 6: to know more about them, But it's about looking forward

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Speaker 6: at what happens next. And what happens next is that

511
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Speaker 6: there is a conflict hepening in a neighborhood, neighboring country.

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Speaker 2: We don't know which.

513
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Speaker 6: The army comes, breaks up the rave. Everybody sort of disappears,

514
00:28:33,933 --> 00:28:35,893
Speaker 6: gets in their trucks and their vans and their house

515
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Speaker 6: buses and starts disappearing. And at this point a group

516
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Speaker 6: of ravers sort of take off down down another road

517
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Speaker 6: to get out of the mix and to go off

518
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Speaker 6: and to find the next rave, and this father and

519
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Speaker 6: son join them, and they end off going on this

520
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Speaker 6: journey through the desert where they really do face the

521
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Speaker 6: worst that can be.

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Speaker 2: Thrown at someone in life. That happens through this film.

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Speaker 2: You think, where is this going, what's it about?

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Speaker 6: And then there is an event that happens which is

525
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Speaker 6: absolutely shocking and kind of jolts you out.

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Speaker 2: Of the sort of this lovely, sort.

527
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Speaker 6: Of mesmerise, sort of calmness you've found yourself in. And

528
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:12,213
Speaker 6: then the tension just ramps up and builds and builds

529
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Speaker 6: and bills to the end of the film.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love it, You're.

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Speaker 6: Gonna hate it. It is a visual and audio feast.

532
00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:20,613
Speaker 6: It's kind of that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: It's those two things come together to take you on

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Speaker 2: this journey. It's really interesting.

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Speaker 6: And definitely stays in your mind for a few days

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Speaker 6: after you've seen it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I like that. I mean obviously it's affected you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, so, and there's always a good sign

539
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Speaker 3: of it, you know, a good piece of art.

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Speaker 6: I found it narratively maybe a little bit unsatisfying, but

541
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Speaker 6: I gave into it. I'm just going to go along

542
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Speaker 6: the ride here and see where this end. Sure, and yeah,

543
00:29:48,973 --> 00:29:51,693
Speaker 6: and so not perfect, but it sure is interesting.

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Speaker 3: Cool. Okay, So that's Serrat. That's showing in cinemas at

545
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Speaker 3: the moment. Next up, something completely different, also showing in cinemas.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a listened to tenor My Name is Party.

547
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Speaker 11: Very first second I heard that voice they said, why.

548
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Speaker 12: He's one of the best Stanner of his generation. Your

549
00:30:14,493 --> 00:30:16,453
Speaker 12: music was everywhere growing up.

550
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Speaker 3: Family is everything, brothers singing, opera is their competition. But

551
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Speaker 3: this is the second place.

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Speaker 13: Feel like.

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Speaker 3: It's the story of pen A Party, of course, an

554
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Speaker 3: amati party in their journey from some More to platinum

555
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Speaker 3: selling success in solid meal.

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Speaker 6: This is a wonderful documentary. Pena Party is actually going

557
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Speaker 6: to join me at ten am tomorrow morning on the

558
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Speaker 6: Sunday session. I do encourage people to listen. He is

559
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Speaker 6: such a gorgeous man. But his journey, of his journey

560
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Speaker 6: and amatized journey is incredible. I mean, what are the

561
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Speaker 6: chances that you would have two world famous tenors in

562
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Speaker 6: your family. Yeah, from you know some More, a Mangy,

563
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Speaker 6: you know New Zealand. They and I think what I

564
00:31:00,493 --> 00:31:01,933
Speaker 6: really enjoyed about this documentary.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you see their.

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Speaker 6: Upbringing, and you hear about their family and behind the

567
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Speaker 6: scenes and how hard they work. But you get a

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Speaker 6: little bit of a glimpse into what happened when they

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Speaker 6: created the band Solomeo, which we all love and you know,

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Speaker 6: so hugely popular. It was created to raise money to

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Speaker 6: help them go and train overseas. It became massive, right

572
00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:25,373
Speaker 6: they didn't intend it to do. And then there was

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Speaker 6: this huge pressure that pen I felt to keep going

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Speaker 6: with the band because it was allowing his family to

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Speaker 6: add people to have access to this training. And everyone

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Speaker 6: in the opera world said, you are ruining your career.

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00:31:38,813 --> 00:31:40,933
Speaker 6: This is ruining your career, and he had to make

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Speaker 6: huge decisions and then he had to try and climb

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Speaker 6: back into the opera world. You see the incredible work

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Speaker 6: that goes on behind the scenes. The work ethic is extraordinary,

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Speaker 6: and not just to get there, but then to stay there.

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Speaker 2: So all that behind the scenes information and.

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Speaker 6: Just watching the footage of him performing on stage around

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Speaker 6: the world at some of the biggest operas.

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Speaker 2: I defend Goosebumps the whole way.

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Speaker 5: Fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, really looking forward to seeing that and to your

588
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Speaker 3: interview tomorrow morning. So that's tenor my name is party

589
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Speaker 3: any party on the Sunday session tomorrow morning with Francesca's

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Speaker 3: first film for us this morning was said rut and

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Speaker 3: both of those films, all the details will be up

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Speaker 3: at Newstalks headb dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 3: There can't be an exact differential between Sunrise and Dawn

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Speaker 3: is weather conditions and cloud cover play a part. That's

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Speaker 3: why Sybil Dawn has the definition that was quoted this morning,

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Speaker 3: and I only did year thirteen maths at Anna Ana, didn't.

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Speaker 3: I also say that atmospheric conditions must play a part,

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Speaker 3: and I also think that we around the world plays

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Speaker 3: apart right depending on what certainly what latitude I would

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Speaker 3: have thought would play a part. But anyway, if anyone

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Speaker 3: who has a slightly more astrological astronomical education is able

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Speaker 3: to get in touch and confirm that for us, would

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Speaker 3: be very much appreciated, And a couple of minutes on

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Speaker 3: news talks, he'd be a delicious pan fried fish with

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Speaker 3: potato salad recipe thirteen to ten.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend US talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be it is eleven minutes to ten on news Talks,

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Speaker 3: he'd be Alice Taylor from Alice Taylor eats us with

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Speaker 3: us this morning with an amazing sounding recif he good

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Speaker 3: a elis.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, How are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So well? Thank you so good to have you back

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Speaker 3: with us again on Saturday mornings. Oh thank you, this

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Speaker 3: sounds great and looks amazing and this is like a

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Speaker 3: really simple and easy way to cook fish at home, right,

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Speaker 3: because I know that some people go, oh, it can

619
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Speaker 3: be a bit messy and can stink things out and

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Speaker 3: all of that kind of thing, but this is a

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Speaker 3: nice simple way of doing it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well exactly. And I mean I was one of

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Speaker 14: those people. I didn't really like to cook fish because

624
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Speaker 14: often it would stick to the pan and it's a

625
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Speaker 14: bit messy and it can smell a bit, you know,

626
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Speaker 14: and all of that. But I saw my partner, he's

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Speaker 14: a chef as well, cook fish like this, and I

628
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Speaker 14: just couldn't believe it. So we shared it on on

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Speaker 14: my page last week and people loved it. So I

630
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Speaker 14: thought maybe you guys would enjoy it as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, so run us through it.

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Speaker 14: So basically, in terms of preparing the fish, it's really easy.

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Speaker 14: It's kind of like, it's so simple that I can't believe.

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Speaker 14: I didn't really think about it before. But essentially, what

635
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Speaker 14: you're going to do is take your fish filets. If

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Speaker 14: you have the skin on, that's great. We're gonna get

637
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Speaker 14: really crispy skin this way, and heat up your pan.

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Speaker 14: We use a cast iron pan, but you can use

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Speaker 14: like a stainless steel pan whatever you have really really

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Speaker 14: really hot, and don't add any oil or anything. Instead,

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Speaker 14: what you're going to do is take your fish filets,

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Speaker 14: put it into like onto a plate or something, pour

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Speaker 14: over some oil and some salt, and then place those

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Speaker 14: onto like a big sheet of baking paper that fits

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Speaker 14: the pan. And then all you do is just take

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Speaker 14: the entire sheet of paper and just.

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Speaker 3: Chuck it on the pan. And you don't get any mess.

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Speaker 14: It's the most crispy skin that it's so so easy.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's just like it seems so obvious,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, nice, yeah, but you get get the

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Speaker 3: benefits of the crispy skin without it getting sick to

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Speaker 3: the pan exactly.

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Speaker 14: And what you do is, you know, when you done,

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Speaker 14: you just lift the baking paper off, and your pant

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Speaker 14: is clean. It goes in the bin, and the fish

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Speaker 14: is perfect. And so that's that's the way that we

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Speaker 14: do it. And the recipe, the recipe that I've given

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Speaker 14: you guys today, has a really easy potato salad in

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Speaker 14: it as well, because honestly, the fish I'm not even

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Speaker 14: sure if you can consider in a recipe, but the

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Speaker 14: potato salad a fish cook cooking hack but it's so

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Speaker 14: it was so good that I had to share it.

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Speaker 14: But in terms of the potato salad, it's it's really easy.

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Speaker 14: One of my favorite ways to sort of save money

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Speaker 14: on food is to go out to the supermarket less,

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Speaker 14: and so by doing that, what we do is keep

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Speaker 14: like lots of little pickles and capers and sort of

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Speaker 14: things and jars that last a long time. So this

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Speaker 14: is a really easy potato salad where you basically boil potatoes,

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Speaker 14: you add pickles, capers, you can add a little onion,

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Speaker 14: and the dressing is just olive oil and vinegar and

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Speaker 14: any fresh herbs that you have. If you don't have them,

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Speaker 14: that's completely fine. And it's just the most delicious potato salad.

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Speaker 3: It's so good. Looks amazing. Okay, hey, thank you so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it looks super easy, like, well do you reckon twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five minutes maybe at most, yeah, at most super

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Speaker 3: fast and also just incredibly like nutritious and healthy and tasty,

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Speaker 3: so all of the things we love. Thank you. What

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Speaker 3: I will do is we'll make sure that recipes up

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Speaker 3: on newstalksb dot co, dot ins and if people want

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Speaker 3: to find you on Instagram and your socials. What is

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Speaker 3: the best way to do that, Alice.

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Speaker 14: I'm kind of everywhere now, but I'm mainly also on

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Speaker 14: Inagram and Alice Taylor Eats everywhere wherever you kind of

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Speaker 14: go do your social media, I'll probably be on there

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Speaker 14: at Alice Taylor eats.

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, IMA's just text to say, get a good morning.

688
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Speaker 3: I cook burger patties and steak like this as well.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, if you've tried that, maybe that

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Speaker 3: could be a good way of you could expand this technique.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to have to try it today, I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because that would make sense. Actually, I suppose if

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Speaker 3: you if it's anything you want the crispyiness on the outside, ay,

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Speaker 3: but you don't want to stand it. Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: makes sense. Yeah, exactly, bloomy potentially you know sometimes yeah,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, we might have just revolutionized cooking.

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Speaker 4: I reckon else.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think so, And I think the non stick pan.

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Speaker 14: You know a lot of people don't like using non

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Speaker 14: stick pans. They might not have them, and even those

701
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Speaker 14: you can't get really really hot. So this is a

702
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Speaker 14: great technique. Yeah, anything you want to cook, really, it

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Speaker 14: probably works perfect.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you? All right, we'll catch again very soon.

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Speaker 3: That's Elie Taylor from Elis Taylor Each. You can find

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Speaker 3: her on the social platforms. Of course, that pan fried

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Speaker 3: fish with potato salad recipe is going to be up

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Speaker 3: on the news Talks. He'd be website Jack. Any crusty

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Speaker 3: old seaman could have told you the difference between nautical twilight,

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Speaker 3: civil twilight sunrise, and how to calculate the actual time

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Speaker 3: of each anywhere in the World's is my sorry, Mike,

712
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Speaker 3: I should have checked with you first six minutes to

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Speaker 3: ten on News Dogs.

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Speaker 1: He'd be giving you the inside scoop on All you

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Speaker 1: need to know Saturday morning with Jack Team Newstalks, Edbro.

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Speaker 3: I just coming up to teen o'clock on Newstalks. He'd

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Speaker 3: be yet a Jack North. On the West coast at

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Speaker 3: Glinks Gully, we always watch for the green flash at sunset.

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Speaker 3: Lots of people have seen it. I, however, have only

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Speaker 3: seen it once. It does exist, though, says Ronnie, I've

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Speaker 3: never heard of the green flash at sunset, never heard

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Speaker 3: of this phenomenon. Yeah, so thank you very much. If

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Speaker 3: you've seen the green flash, by all means, get in

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Speaker 3: touched ninety two to ninety two is the text number

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Speaker 3: Jacketewstalks dB dot co dot nz. It is the email address.

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Speaker 3: After ten o'clock, we've got your screen time picks for

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Speaker 3: this weekend. Scrubs is back. After all these years, Scrubs

728
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Speaker 3: is back. I always get a bit nervous when they

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Speaker 3: bring back a classic show. I always think sometimes it's

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Speaker 3: best just to leave it. But we'll get our reviewers

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the new series of Scrubs and as well

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Speaker 3: as that, our feature interview right after the ten o'clock

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Speaker 3: News this morning, the one and only, the legendary Barbara Driaver,

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Speaker 3: one New Specific correspondent is going to be with us.

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Speaker 3: She's just written an amazing new book called Be Brave,

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Speaker 3: so we're going to ask a little bit about her

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Speaker 3: story very soon. Almost ten News is next. I'm Jack Tamee.

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Speaker 3: This is Newstalgs ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start his Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: tame News Talks.

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Speaker 15: Yo.

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Speaker 3: Do we know my hear to my with Jack tame

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Speaker 3: on News Talks d B this morning. And my feature

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Speaker 3: guest this morning is a friend and colleague, Barbara Driver,

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Speaker 3: one News Pacific correspondent. Barbara Driver, the one and only

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Speaker 3: She is no stranger to taking on a challenge. She

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Speaker 3: spent the last three decades shedding light on issues across

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Speaker 3: the Pacific. She's been locked up in Fiji, threatened in

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Speaker 3: Papua New Guinea. She's faced natural disasters. She's covered military

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Speaker 3: coups and criminal activity. She probably doesn't like the term,

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Speaker 3: but it's a veteran of New Zealand. She has faced

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Speaker 3: all sorts of criticism, even death threats, for her tenacious

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Speaker 3: pursuit of the truth, and now to share her incredible

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Speaker 3: experience as Barbara Dreava has written a memoir. It's called

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Speaker 3: Be Brave, and she's with us here live and studio.

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Speaker 3: This morning killed a good morning.

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Speaker 16: You're on a bull of a knack at a warm

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Speaker 16: Pacific greeting warm outside.

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Speaker 3: It's not hey. So what's it like as someone who

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Speaker 3: has spent their life telling other people's stories to turn

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Speaker 3: the attention on themselves and tell their own.

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Speaker 16: You would know this. It's hugely uncomfortable, because you know,

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Speaker 16: we'd like to give a voice to others, and I

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Speaker 16: certainly do. I don't do this job for me, and

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Speaker 16: it's it's just really uncomfortable, But it's kind of cool

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Speaker 16: at the same time because I'm giving people a look

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Speaker 16: behind the scenes at a time when you know media

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Speaker 16: is not really trusted. But I really want people to

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Speaker 16: know just the sort of the work and the effort

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Speaker 16: and stuff that goes on behind the scenes, and also

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Speaker 16: a little bit of personal stuff as well, which I'm

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Speaker 16: also hugely uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you had to make yourself vulnerable for

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Speaker 3: this book.

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Speaker 16: This is one of the tough Yeah, I've got to say,

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Speaker 16: it's one of the toughest things I think I've ever done.

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Speaker 16: One of the things is I realized how old I

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Speaker 16: am when I started writing about when I first started

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Speaker 16: in journalism. But yeah, it was really tough navigating that.

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Speaker 16: And there's been a few tears over it as well, because, yeah,

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Speaker 16: there's some parts in it that I just would rather

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Speaker 16: not write about, but actually it's my memoir and some

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Speaker 16: of those things to affect how I work and how

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Speaker 16: I approach people.

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Speaker 3: That's quite insightful if you like to be able to

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Speaker 3: see how your personal experience impacts the way that you

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Speaker 3: kind of go about your storytelling, but then to be

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Speaker 3: able to also appreciate what the people whose stories you

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Speaker 3: were telling are going through when you're asking them to

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Speaker 3: be vulnerable as well.

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Speaker 16: Right, that's it exactly, because you know, we expect people

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Speaker 16: just to tell us their stories, and actually it's such

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Speaker 16: a big ask. And my book is dedicated to my

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Speaker 16: late brother who took his life Andrew and oh man,

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Speaker 16: he was just the most terrific, wonderful human being and

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Speaker 16: we all loved him to pieces. And you know, it's

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Speaker 16: the sort of a grief that you find really hard

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Speaker 16: to never if it was a few years ago now,

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Speaker 16: but I still find it really difficult, and I think

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Speaker 16: about them every day. But then when I approach other people,

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Speaker 16: you know, for interviews, and sometimes they are in terrible

802
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Speaker 16: circumstances like the measles deaths, and these parents are warning

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Speaker 16: their children, and you know, I understood where they're coming from,

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Speaker 16: and it gives you a sensitivity that you're able to

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Speaker 16: navigate with them through that and telling their stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, the decision to dedicate the book to Andrew

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Speaker 3: is a really significant one. And that has been kind of,

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Speaker 3: you know, a huge trauma for you and your family.

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Speaker 3: Why was that so important?

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Speaker 16: You know, it's been a few years and it's taken

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Speaker 16: us a long time to get through it, and you

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Speaker 16: you don't even get through it, really, but I can.

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Speaker 16: I can talk about it now just without crying. And

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Speaker 16: I'm a private person as well, Jack and but I

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Speaker 16: just felt if I'm writing about my book and my story,

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Speaker 16: then then and the people I talked to, then I

817
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Speaker 16: didn't need to talk about him and also pay tribute

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Speaker 16: to him as a as a brilliant young man. And

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Speaker 16: I know a lot of other families in New Zealand

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Speaker 16: go through these sorts of trauma.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think you're not just telling people to

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Speaker 3: be brave. I think that decision in itself was incredibly brave.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it was a really I rewrote and rewrite that chapter.

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Speaker 3: It's a tough one. Journalism, Yes, let's talk about the news.

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Speaker 3: You found it really tricky to get a job, which

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Speaker 3: seems crazy to me now. But take us all the

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Speaker 3: way back. Why did you want to become a journalist?

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Speaker 16: Well, I did a degree in education at university and

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Speaker 16: I decided I didn't want to be a teacher people

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Speaker 16: of course, yeah, no, And I just decided that there

832
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Speaker 16: was other stuff I could do that I wanted to

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Speaker 16: do and writing. I became a print journalist.

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Speaker 5: Fair.

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Speaker 16: I really wanted to make I know it sounds sort

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Speaker 16: of cliche, but I did want to make a difference,

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Speaker 16: and I think for me, putting Pacific voices on mainstream

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Speaker 16: and mainstream platform is really important.

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Speaker 3: And give us a sense of how elevated or otherwise

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Speaker 3: those voices and stories were when you started telling Pacific stories,

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Speaker 3: because we didn't say a whole lot of pacifiction.

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Speaker 16: No, there wasn't and there was hardly any. And I

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Speaker 16: found out how to get a job because people didn't

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Speaker 16: rate them, and not the public. It was you know,

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Speaker 16: managers and mainstream media didn't didn't and they didn't have to.

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Speaker 16: They just like, no, we don't care. And in fact,

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Speaker 16: one person actually said to me, I just don't care.

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Speaker 16: We don't care about this. And I went to the

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Speaker 16: Cook Islands because I couldn't get a job here and

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Speaker 16: started co owned a newspaper at the time and also

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Speaker 16: witical kind of news, and that gave me a great grounding.

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Speaker 16: And but yeah, so it wasn't very popular and then

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Speaker 16: you know, you come back and for me as stories,

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Speaker 16: a story is a story, right, And also what happens

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Speaker 16: in the Pacific affects us here in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 16: it's becoming more and more evident as time goes on

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Speaker 16: just how important the Pacific is to us. And also,

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Speaker 16: sorry Jack, but Mum and dad's on the couch. They

859
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:34,373
Speaker 16: love Pacific stories. Yeah, And I get people up to me,

860
00:45:34,493 --> 00:45:36,573
Speaker 16: coming up to me all the time because my job

861
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:40,773
Speaker 16: isn't to be hold the flag for Pacific people. My

862
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:43,653
Speaker 16: job is to give a platform for Pacific voices. Some

863
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:46,973
Speaker 16: of those voices ain't that good. I've had to chase

864
00:45:46,973 --> 00:45:52,133
Speaker 16: some of those voices down long corridors, and but that's important.

865
00:45:52,413 --> 00:45:54,733
Speaker 16: Of course, we have to be fair and balanced. And

866
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 16: but then you know, there are such great Pacific people,

867
00:45:58,773 --> 00:46:01,413
Speaker 16: and it is such a privilege to be able to

868
00:46:01,453 --> 00:46:06,093
Speaker 16: feature some of those, you know, like children like Tai Kami,

869
00:46:06,173 --> 00:46:09,173
Speaker 16: who was a hero in my and she still makes

870
00:46:09,173 --> 00:46:11,453
Speaker 16: me cry when I think about it. She had terminal

871
00:46:11,493 --> 00:46:13,693
Speaker 16: cancer and I interviewed her like a couple of weeks

872
00:46:13,693 --> 00:46:17,253
Speaker 16: before she died, and she flew the flag for Tonga

873
00:46:17,653 --> 00:46:20,013
Speaker 16: and she was much loved by the people. She got

874
00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:22,133
Speaker 16: a medal from the king, and I was there when

875
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:24,133
Speaker 16: the tongue and King gave it to her, and it

876
00:46:24,173 --> 00:46:27,013
Speaker 16: was such a privilege. And it's stuff like that, you know,

877
00:46:27,053 --> 00:46:30,853
Speaker 16: you can see it. I'm excited, I suddenly get excited, okay,

878
00:46:31,733 --> 00:46:35,653
Speaker 16: and so stuff like that. I do think and I'm

879
00:46:35,653 --> 00:46:38,693
Speaker 16: really grateful to Television New Zealand, Jake like, because they

880
00:46:39,053 --> 00:46:42,213
Speaker 16: have given me that platform for many, many many years

881
00:46:42,213 --> 00:46:46,293
Speaker 16: one news we've had that, and it's it's fair to

882
00:46:46,293 --> 00:46:49,013
Speaker 16: say that I do put you know, as you know,

883
00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:51,493
Speaker 16: in the newsroom, you'll hear my little feet dogs stamping

884
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:54,173
Speaker 16: across the floor, and like, I think my story should

885
00:46:54,173 --> 00:46:57,013
Speaker 16: be higher up, and you know, so I do really

886
00:46:57,173 --> 00:46:58,973
Speaker 16: know how to advocate.

887
00:47:00,613 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It occurred to me if we're

888
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:05,653
Speaker 3: to put on we started the show this morning being

889
00:47:05,693 --> 00:47:09,253
Speaker 3: a bit more deploitical than we usually are, and if

890
00:47:09,293 --> 00:47:11,253
Speaker 3: we're to put our geopolitical hats on just for a

891
00:47:11,253 --> 00:47:13,493
Speaker 3: moment once again, it really occurs to me that over

892
00:47:13,653 --> 00:47:17,013
Speaker 3: the time you have been the Pacific correspondent for TVNZ,

893
00:47:17,653 --> 00:47:21,213
Speaker 3: we've gone from wanting to elevate Pacific stories in New

894
00:47:21,293 --> 00:47:23,773
Speaker 3: Zealand more than they were for the reasons you've outlined.

895
00:47:23,853 --> 00:47:25,533
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, the audience wants them, but

896
00:47:25,573 --> 00:47:29,053
Speaker 3: also I mean these are there are people, right yeah.

897
00:47:29,853 --> 00:47:33,933
Speaker 3: But second of all that there's been a real shift

898
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:35,973
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years where all of a sudden,

899
00:47:36,013 --> 00:47:38,293
Speaker 3: the world suddenly looking at the Pacific, going actually, this

900
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:41,933
Speaker 3: region really really matters, and this big contest between these

901
00:47:41,933 --> 00:47:44,773
Speaker 3: world powers, this is where it's all going down. So

902
00:47:44,893 --> 00:47:46,173
Speaker 3: what have you observed there?

903
00:47:46,493 --> 00:47:49,733
Speaker 16: I'm kind of frightened for the Pacific right now. I

904
00:47:49,773 --> 00:47:53,093
Speaker 16: think that we are at the cusp of enormous change

905
00:47:53,213 --> 00:47:58,653
Speaker 16: and even this current conflict with Iran and in Iran

906
00:47:58,853 --> 00:48:02,413
Speaker 16: around Iran Middle East as a fact, already the Pacific

907
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:04,893
Speaker 16: countries are worried from a grassroots level. They're worried about

908
00:48:04,933 --> 00:48:10,573
Speaker 16: the cost of fuel already securing their their essentials in

909
00:48:10,613 --> 00:48:12,373
Speaker 16: the Pacific right now.

910
00:48:12,653 --> 00:48:13,053
Speaker 7: But yees.

911
00:48:13,133 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 16: So it's a competition for the space, which is you know,

912
00:48:17,493 --> 00:48:19,333
Speaker 16: it's one of the biggest stations in the world right

913
00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:22,413
Speaker 16: and it's where ships come through. The China would like

914
00:48:22,533 --> 00:48:25,933
Speaker 16: ports there, and the US have already got ports there,

915
00:48:25,973 --> 00:48:28,133
Speaker 16: would like more. And so when you have that sort

916
00:48:28,133 --> 00:48:33,093
Speaker 16: of contestation and they're picking countries off, it suddenly becomes

917
00:48:33,093 --> 00:48:37,333
Speaker 16: a big issue. And for New Zealand, we see it

918
00:48:37,413 --> 00:48:40,253
Speaker 16: as they say, our it's our back backyard, but actually

919
00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:43,733
Speaker 16: it's our front yard and we better remember that because

920
00:48:43,853 --> 00:48:45,853
Speaker 16: that what happens there is going to affect us here.

921
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:49,733
Speaker 3: It's such a good distinction. That's really important. Yeah, you

922
00:48:49,773 --> 00:48:53,653
Speaker 3: have had your share of hair raising experiences over the years.

923
00:48:54,013 --> 00:48:54,853
Speaker 16: Locked up a few times.

924
00:48:55,853 --> 00:48:57,853
Speaker 3: It is easy to laugh about it, and that's where

925
00:48:57,893 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 3: my instinct goes to be, like, hahaha, what's it like

926
00:49:00,373 --> 00:49:02,413
Speaker 3: to be locked up? And what's your tip on surviving

927
00:49:02,453 --> 00:49:04,613
Speaker 3: being locked up, whether it's in fig or whether it's

928
00:49:04,613 --> 00:49:07,093
Speaker 3: a narrow wherever else. I also know it can be

929
00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:08,973
Speaker 3: potentially really traumatic thing to go through it.

930
00:49:08,973 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 16: It really was.

931
00:49:09,773 --> 00:49:13,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how do you reflect on those kinds of experiences?

932
00:49:13,413 --> 00:49:14,453
Speaker 2: You know I have.

933
00:49:14,533 --> 00:49:17,093
Speaker 16: I'm very methodical and how I deal with things so

934
00:49:17,413 --> 00:49:20,213
Speaker 16: and as I've got older, I've got more more measured

935
00:49:20,213 --> 00:49:22,573
Speaker 16: about things, and I have strategies that I put in

936
00:49:22,613 --> 00:49:25,733
Speaker 16: place to protect myself and to actually so when I

937
00:49:25,733 --> 00:49:28,693
Speaker 16: was locked up in Fiji, for example, I do know

938
00:49:28,773 --> 00:49:33,133
Speaker 16: it sounds really weird and it's embarrassing, but I you know,

939
00:49:33,173 --> 00:49:35,293
Speaker 16: when I was told that the military probably come for

940
00:49:35,413 --> 00:49:38,053
Speaker 16: me that night and I was in a detention center,

941
00:49:38,133 --> 00:49:41,693
Speaker 16: I would practice taking my clothes off and on. And

942
00:49:41,733 --> 00:49:43,693
Speaker 16: the reason I did that was because we'd heard about

943
00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:46,653
Speaker 16: some of the things that were happening to people who

944
00:49:46,693 --> 00:49:49,293
Speaker 16: were being taken up to the military. Woman women who

945
00:49:49,333 --> 00:49:51,453
Speaker 16: were being taken up to the military camps. And I'm,

946
00:49:51,653 --> 00:49:54,013
Speaker 16: you know, and I'm quite a scrappy old thing and

947
00:49:54,053 --> 00:49:56,613
Speaker 16: I and I thought, I am not going to let

948
00:49:56,653 --> 00:49:59,653
Speaker 16: these guys get the better of me. And so I

949
00:49:59,693 --> 00:50:02,933
Speaker 16: thought if I could practice that, I could look at

950
00:50:02,973 --> 00:50:05,933
Speaker 16: people in the eye, men in the eye and go, yeah,

951
00:50:06,093 --> 00:50:09,533
Speaker 16: I that won't best me on that. But you know,

952
00:50:09,853 --> 00:50:11,413
Speaker 16: it was. It was a really tough night. And I

953
00:50:11,613 --> 00:50:13,373
Speaker 16: keept running to the window every time I heard a

954
00:50:13,453 --> 00:50:16,053
Speaker 16: car and was like, but looking out the bars and thinking,

955
00:50:16,053 --> 00:50:18,133
Speaker 16: as in a military car come to get me. So

956
00:50:18,253 --> 00:50:21,253
Speaker 16: there are things that you know. And actually, Jack, when

957
00:50:21,293 --> 00:50:24,493
Speaker 16: I was writing some of these chapters, I'd had glossed

958
00:50:24,493 --> 00:50:26,653
Speaker 16: over it in my head and moved on to We

959
00:50:26,773 --> 00:50:29,213
Speaker 16: looked from story to story to story, and so when

960
00:50:29,253 --> 00:50:32,413
Speaker 16: I'm writing, I was like, oh my god, and the

961
00:50:32,493 --> 00:50:34,693
Speaker 16: nullery thing, you know, and we've been locked up and

962
00:50:34,373 --> 00:50:36,693
Speaker 16: now it was just like, oh my gosh. I was

963
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:40,293
Speaker 16: writing and thinking, oh man, how did I cope with that?

964
00:50:40,373 --> 00:50:40,813
Speaker 3: Like I did?

965
00:50:40,853 --> 00:50:43,293
Speaker 16: But I did, and I'm glad that I did.

966
00:50:43,533 --> 00:50:50,253
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like an incredibly kind of rich diversity

967
00:50:50,293 --> 00:50:53,973
Speaker 3: of experiences that you've had over the years. But your

968
00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:57,533
Speaker 3: time as Pacific correspondent kind of reminds me of Robert

969
00:50:57,573 --> 00:51:01,173
Speaker 3: Fisk and that the great Midlase and journalist. Yeah, well,

970
00:51:01,213 --> 00:51:04,373
Speaker 3: late great melasiin Gurnists because I remember watching a documentary

971
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:07,413
Speaker 3: with him in which he is amazing documentary in which

972
00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:10,413
Speaker 3: he says, once he became the correspondent in the Middle East,

973
00:51:10,413 --> 00:51:13,253
Speaker 3: he felt like a lot of journalists would just look

974
00:51:13,253 --> 00:51:15,253
Speaker 3: at what's the next gig, what's the next gig, what's

975
00:51:15,293 --> 00:51:17,093
Speaker 3: the next gig, and try and move from one thing together.

976
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:20,493
Speaker 3: But he was like, no, that the more the more

977
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:23,253
Speaker 3: time I spend in this role, the more I appreciate

978
00:51:23,573 --> 00:51:25,733
Speaker 3: and understand the issues that are at play, The more

979
00:51:25,773 --> 00:51:28,773
Speaker 3: I develop my contact base, the more value I can

980
00:51:28,813 --> 00:51:31,573
Speaker 3: give to my readers or followers. And I feel like

981
00:51:31,693 --> 00:51:33,613
Speaker 3: that's one of the amazing things you've done, is you

982
00:51:33,653 --> 00:51:36,293
Speaker 3: have just poured yourself into this role over such a

983
00:51:36,293 --> 00:51:38,893
Speaker 3: long time and you just get better as a result.

984
00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:44,053
Speaker 3: And honestly, there is nothing there is no there's nothing

985
00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:50,053
Speaker 3: that there's no alternative for just time and experience, you know, Yeah,

986
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:50,693
Speaker 3: that's right.

987
00:51:50,573 --> 00:51:52,813
Speaker 16: And we have to hold leaders and people in power

988
00:51:52,853 --> 00:51:56,333
Speaker 16: to account. We do, because if we don't, who does.

989
00:51:57,053 --> 00:52:01,133
Speaker 16: And and I just think that's super important. And there's

990
00:52:01,253 --> 00:52:07,933
Speaker 16: no there's no one who's off my menu. So and yes,

991
00:52:08,173 --> 00:52:10,013
Speaker 16: I do think that's really important as well.

992
00:52:10,053 --> 00:52:13,293
Speaker 3: There's no other job you aspired to a news necessarily.

993
00:52:13,053 --> 00:52:15,413
Speaker 16: Not a news No. I've always wanted to be. I've

994
00:52:15,413 --> 00:52:17,853
Speaker 16: always wanted to be the percifict correspondent. And I'm the

995
00:52:17,853 --> 00:52:20,453
Speaker 16: perfect correspondent and I'm grateful for it.

996
00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:23,693
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is that, I mean, not only

997
00:52:23,733 --> 00:52:26,493
Speaker 3: are you a Pacific correspondent to your New Zealand audience,

998
00:52:26,533 --> 00:52:28,693
Speaker 3: but you are like the kind of you are, the

999
00:52:28,773 --> 00:52:31,013
Speaker 3: kind of queen of the Pacific when tailing around, right,

1000
00:52:31,053 --> 00:52:32,973
Speaker 3: And I mean the story that the book has all

1001
00:52:33,013 --> 00:52:35,813
Speaker 3: these amazing photos and experiences with colleagues and that kind

1002
00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:38,653
Speaker 3: of thing. But I walk around sometimes with John Campbell

1003
00:52:38,693 --> 00:52:40,773
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, it's like walking around

1004
00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:43,653
Speaker 3: with you know, like with Oprah or something like he's

1005
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:45,493
Speaker 3: just contantly stopped on the street. But I feel like

1006
00:52:45,533 --> 00:52:48,893
Speaker 3: that's pales in comparison to your experience in the Pacific.

1007
00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:51,173
Speaker 16: Well, I do come back looking very fat and tanned

1008
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:56,653
Speaker 16: because I keep people keep voisting food on me, and yeah,

1009
00:52:56,773 --> 00:52:58,893
Speaker 16: and so people think I've actually been around holiday and

1010
00:52:58,973 --> 00:53:02,053
Speaker 16: actually I have worked my guts out or worked like

1011
00:53:02,333 --> 00:53:04,853
Speaker 16: fifteen to eighteen hour days, but I will come back.

1012
00:53:05,373 --> 00:53:07,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what does it mean to you to see

1013
00:53:07,253 --> 00:53:09,653
Speaker 3: that kind of response from people across the Pacific and

1014
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:11,653
Speaker 3: a range of Pacific coming Look.

1015
00:53:11,573 --> 00:53:15,813
Speaker 16: And it means a lot. And it's a privilege. And

1016
00:53:16,253 --> 00:53:18,613
Speaker 16: it's the fact that one news gets played and I

1017
00:53:18,693 --> 00:53:21,813
Speaker 16: don't know twenty three different on twenty three plus different

1018
00:53:21,853 --> 00:53:26,253
Speaker 16: broadcasters across the Pacific, and it's important. It's important that

1019
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:30,933
Speaker 16: they see Pacific voices elevated and voices that matter and

1020
00:53:30,973 --> 00:53:33,933
Speaker 16: that count and that you know, are important, and so yeah,

1021
00:53:33,973 --> 00:53:37,053
Speaker 16: it means a lot to me. But also seeing young

1022
00:53:37,213 --> 00:53:39,693
Speaker 16: people and you know, trained a lot of young journalists

1023
00:53:39,693 --> 00:53:43,173
Speaker 16: across the Pacific as well, and so to see that

1024
00:53:43,813 --> 00:53:46,973
Speaker 16: coming up behind me just makes me feel really happy.

1025
00:53:47,213 --> 00:53:50,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so pleased. Well, look, congratulations, I'll be brave.

1026
00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:54,013
Speaker 3: I think we can join together and urging our audience

1027
00:53:54,053 --> 00:53:59,413
Speaker 3: to go and buy by by by every special occasions.

1028
00:54:01,133 --> 00:54:03,333
Speaker 3: But thank you so much, and congratulations and thank you

1029
00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:07,253
Speaker 3: for being brave and telling your stories. Yeah. Really appreciate it.

1030
00:54:08,133 --> 00:54:09,933
Speaker 3: That is Barbara Triever. She is of course the one

1031
00:54:09,973 --> 00:54:13,533
Speaker 3: news correspondent for the one new specific correspondent and her

1032
00:54:13,573 --> 00:54:16,133
Speaker 3: new book is Be Brave. The details will be up

1033
00:54:16,173 --> 00:54:18,893
Speaker 3: on the news Talks. He'd be website before eleven o'clock.

1034
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:21,773
Speaker 3: On News Talks, he'd be the dangers of sitting. Yeah,

1035
00:54:22,173 --> 00:54:25,373
Speaker 3: our resident doctor, our resident GP has looked into some

1036
00:54:25,413 --> 00:54:28,093
Speaker 3: of the research about sitting. Obviously, sitting in itself is

1037
00:54:28,133 --> 00:54:30,853
Speaker 3: not dangerous, but if you do too much sitting, it

1038
00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:32,653
Speaker 3: can be a bit problematic. So he's going to be

1039
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:35,173
Speaker 3: here with us with those numbers very shortly. And as

1040
00:54:35,173 --> 00:54:37,813
Speaker 3: well as that, our texpert is looking at the big

1041
00:54:37,853 --> 00:54:41,053
Speaker 3: announcements from Apple this week that you're coming out for

1042
00:54:41,133 --> 00:54:44,533
Speaker 3: the first time with a much cheaper laptop by their standards,

1043
00:54:44,573 --> 00:54:47,613
Speaker 3: and a much cheaper phone by their standards. So he's

1044
00:54:47,653 --> 00:54:49,533
Speaker 3: going to tell us about those and compare them with

1045
00:54:49,573 --> 00:54:51,693
Speaker 3: some of the other Apple products that are already on

1046
00:54:51,733 --> 00:54:54,653
Speaker 3: the market. Twenty two past ten on News Talks, he'd.

1047
00:54:54,413 --> 00:54:59,973
Speaker 1: Be start your weekend off the right way Saturday morning

1048
00:55:00,053 --> 00:55:01,773
Speaker 1: with Jacktam News Talks.

1049
00:55:01,973 --> 00:55:05,093
Speaker 3: B It is twenty five past ten, which means it's

1050
00:55:05,133 --> 00:55:07,973
Speaker 3: screen time to TI I'm Carl Pushman is here with

1051
00:55:08,013 --> 00:55:10,213
Speaker 3: his picks for this week for shows to watch or

1052
00:55:10,293 --> 00:55:15,573
Speaker 3: stream from the comfort of your place. Good morning, Carl. Oh,

1053
00:55:15,733 --> 00:55:17,453
Speaker 3: we're just lost you there, and I'm sure we will

1054
00:55:17,493 --> 00:55:19,453
Speaker 3: manage to get you back up. Let's begin this morning.

1055
00:55:19,453 --> 00:55:21,453
Speaker 3: Who've got two shows. Let's begin with one that is

1056
00:55:21,533 --> 00:55:25,133
Speaker 3: streaming on TV and Z plus. I've seen the previews

1057
00:55:25,133 --> 00:55:28,413
Speaker 3: for this. It looks so good. Tell us about Run Run.

1058
00:55:28,493 --> 00:55:30,893
Speaker 17: Yes, the brilliant Robin Malcolm channels in a Bogan the

1059
00:55:30,893 --> 00:55:33,493
Speaker 17: star in the sixth part Ossie crime drama. But that's

1060
00:55:33,493 --> 00:55:36,453
Speaker 17: where the comparisons to our beloved crime scentered series Outrageous

1061
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:39,973
Speaker 17: Fortune ends. Run is no comedy. Instead, it tells the

1062
00:55:39,973 --> 00:55:43,293
Speaker 17: true story of Australia's most notorious bank robber, Brendan Abbott.

1063
00:55:43,733 --> 00:55:46,733
Speaker 17: Like fellow outlaws Ned Kallian Chopper, Abbot's story has also

1064
00:55:46,773 --> 00:55:49,973
Speaker 17: shifted to modern Ossie folklore. After robbing a bank by

1065
00:55:50,053 --> 00:55:51,893
Speaker 17: dropping in from the ceiling through an airvent back in

1066
00:55:51,933 --> 00:55:55,573
Speaker 17: the eighties, Abbot was quickly captured and sent to Freemantle Prison,

1067
00:55:55,893 --> 00:55:58,493
Speaker 17: but that's just the beginning of his story. While there,

1068
00:55:58,533 --> 00:56:00,893
Speaker 17: he executed one of the most famous and ingenious Dale

1069
00:56:01,013 --> 00:56:03,693
Speaker 17: breaks in Australian history and went on the lamb for

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Speaker 17: over five years, robbing banks up and down the country

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Speaker 17: in evading all police attempts to nab him. During this time,

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Speaker 17: he was nicknamed the Postcard Bandit thanks to reports that

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Speaker 17: he was taunting the police on his tail by sending

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Speaker 17: them postcards from around Australia. It's a neat story that

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Speaker 17: really capture the imagination, but sadly was later debunked as myth.

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Speaker 17: As we all know, crime doesn't pay, and eventually the

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Speaker 17: cops did get their man. He was in a sentence

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Speaker 17: to Queensland Prison, where remarkably he escaped again. A major

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Speaker 17: police manhunt apprehended him five and a half months later,

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Speaker 17: which is still an incredibly long time for a high

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Speaker 17: profile criminal to be on the loose. So with all

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Speaker 17: that you can see how Abbot's story makes for a gripping,

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Speaker 17: action packed series and Run doesn't trip up telling it.

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Speaker 17: It's incredibly well made, with a look that resembles a

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Speaker 17: gritty Australian film rather than a standard TV drama. I

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Speaker 17: also really enjoyed how Run catches its eighties early nineties

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Speaker 17: settings in a far more relatable way to us kiwis

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Speaker 17: than American retro based efforts like Stranger Things and shows

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Speaker 17: like that. It really did take me back to that eerror.

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Speaker 17: The show's big set pieces are fantastic. The opening episode's

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Speaker 17: prison break is an especially tense ride. Occasionally, however, Run

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Speaker 17: does run out of puff. It's time shifting tom foolery

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Speaker 17: can slow its pacing down. You get the feeling it

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Speaker 17: could have been a little bit tighter as it jumps

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Speaker 17: around its timeline. I'm sure there's details the show skips over,

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Speaker 17: as adaptations of true stories often do, but overall it's

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Speaker 17: an enjoyable series that I think is worth a run.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, very good zing. So that's Run plus where you

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Speaker 3: can see that starring George Mason and Robin Melcam mixed

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Speaker 3: up on Disney Plus. Scrubs is back.

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Speaker 17: Yes, the popular naughty sitcom Scrubs has been resuscitated after

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Speaker 17: more than fifteen years. The comedy that followed wide eyed

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Speaker 17: medical interns learning the ropes from a grizzled senior veteran

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Speaker 17: in a private hospital was hugely popular back in the

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Speaker 17: day thanks to its unique structure. Each episode would see

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Speaker 17: a new patient wield in while the crew traded fast

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Speaker 17: paces z any gags that often led into cartoonish dream

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Speaker 17: sequences and non sequitur cutaways. Then in its final minutes

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Speaker 17: would shift gears and hit you with an emotional that

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Speaker 17: would really pull up the heartstrings as patients would die

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Speaker 17: or have complicated medical outcomes. Lead JD would have a

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Speaker 17: reflective voice over while an indie music tear JERKERD played

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Speaker 17: in the background. It was a winning formula. The show

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Speaker 17: was off the wall but also had that emotional impact,

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Speaker 17: giving you something to invest in as you want.

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Speaker 3: Oh dear, we seem to have just lost Carl. All right,

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Speaker 3: well hiss uh the second show there was Scrubs that's

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Speaker 3: streaming on TV and Z plus, or see if we'll

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Speaker 3: go back up. No, we got on there. I think

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Speaker 3: I'm here. I don't know what happened there. I think

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Speaker 3: we had a green flash over the internet this morning.

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Speaker 3: Mine so sorry we were well, I was gonna say, pleasingly,

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Speaker 3: the old gang is all back, led by Zach Brad,

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Speaker 3: who has aged annoyingly well, it must be said.

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Speaker 17: The verbose and vitrolic Doctor Cox played by John C

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Speaker 17: mcginnley is as delightfullly insulting as ever, but sadly, he

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Speaker 17: doesn't stick around past episode one. This leads it to

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Speaker 17: the core for characters JD, Turk, Ellier, Karla the shoulder

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Speaker 17: of the series, which is no problem o. Their comedic

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Speaker 17: chemistry and off kilter exuberance is as strong as ever.

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Speaker 17: Time or changing comedy trends has not impacted the show

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Speaker 17: at all. As example, you get Turk leading his in

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Speaker 17: turns through a robot dance off and JD murdering his

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Speaker 17: new rival and a gruesomely silly Goldfinger inspired dream sequence.

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Speaker 17: The show's fun and funny, even if it does take

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Speaker 17: a minute to acclimate back to its comedic style. As

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Speaker 17: wucky as all that is, Scrubs hasn't gone the other

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Speaker 17: half of that winning formula. The first two episodes both

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Speaker 17: line up satisfying, highly emotional endings that criticize and highlight

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Speaker 17: the failings of the American for profit healthcare system. Got

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Speaker 17: to say, after all this time, scrub still works. It's

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Speaker 17: warm and likable, easy and fun to watch, and where

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Speaker 17: it's hard on its sleeve with pride, it could be

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Speaker 17: good fort Ailsier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great to hear, because usually you know when

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Speaker 3: you hear a show is being revamped some think, oh,

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Speaker 3: that think's going to be any good. Sometimes you sort

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Speaker 3: of wish that just leave things, leave things rest. But

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Speaker 3: that sounds fantastic. It's rank you for them. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: that's Scrubs. It's on Disney Plus. Carl's first pick for

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Speaker 3: us this week is Run, which is on TV and

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Speaker 3: Z Plus. And of course you can hear more from

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Speaker 3: Karl on his sub stack screen Crack. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: your feedback, Jack. I love Barbara Dreavers. She's so passionate,

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Speaker 3: so elegant in her delivery on Behalf of the Pacific

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Speaker 3: People's Jack love Barbara Dreaver. She presents facts, not opinion. Jack.

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Speaker 3: I feel connected and I'm genuinely I feel connected to

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Speaker 3: the Pacific, and I'm genuinely grateful for Barbie Bereavers stories.

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Speaker 3: She is amazing, says Males appreciate your messages this morning

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Speaker 3: ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

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Speaker 3: an message, you can email me as well.

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Speaker 7: Of course.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine minutes to eleven get with Jack Tayne. It's

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning, and this is News Talk's.

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Speaker 1: EDB Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: team on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 3: That is aft by Harry Styles. He has just dropped

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Speaker 3: his brand new album. It's not very snappily titled. It's

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Speaker 3: called Kiss All the Time Disco Occasionally. It's the fourth

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Speaker 3: albums that's going solo from one direction back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: And though you might assume that someone on his global

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Speaker 3: superstar level of fame would automatically be a chart topper

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Speaker 3: and culturally relevant no matter what he releases, he's actually

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Speaker 3: spoken about the introspection required to keep pushing himself forward creatively,

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Speaker 3: to not just make music that's expected from him, prep

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Speaker 3: to not even make music that his fans actually want.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see. Our music review is going

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Speaker 3: to join us perform a day to lay out the

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Speaker 3: disco teche Berlin Knight, LCD sound system inspirations behind the

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Speaker 3: music and give us his thoughts on how mister Harry

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Speaker 3: Styles has delivered. So really looking forward to that. Twenty

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Speaker 3: six to eleven our Textbert's are next on Newstalk Ened.

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Speaker 12: The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 18: So the committee looking into whether we should bran social

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Speaker 18: media for under sixteens has produced its final report. Cold

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Speaker 18: Bates is one of the national members on that committee.

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Speaker 18: Some of the recommendations you make are from outer space.

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Speaker 18: They're not real, they're just theoretical whiteboarding.

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Speaker 7: So there's a range of recommendations, a number of what

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Speaker 7: you reflect what's happening internationally, and.

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Speaker 11: Some of what are about immediate actions that can be taken.

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Speaker 18: Now regulate algorithmic recommendation systems. Do you honestly think New

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Speaker 18: Zealand Incs capable of doing that when no one else

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Speaker 18: in the world is.

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Speaker 7: From a committee perspective, we said the government should explore this,

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Speaker 7: not saying let's just go and say this should happen

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Speaker 7: right now.

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Speaker 18: Back Monday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: rain Drivers, fort sv News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three to eleven News Talks ZEDB. Apple has launched

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Speaker 3: a more affordable by ample standards Important Caveat, a more

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Speaker 3: affordable laptop and phone. Our textbook pollstin house is here

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Speaker 3: with the detail. So Paul tell us about the MacBook Neo.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth, theo

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Speaker 13: jeck because it's it's designed to be competing with these

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Speaker 13: lower end kind of Chromebooks and lower end Windows PCs,

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Speaker 13: but low end for Apple is still high end for

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Speaker 13: those devices. I took a look at the New Zealand

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Speaker 13: price and going to start at one one four nine,

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Speaker 13: so not exactly still the cheapest option, but certainly a

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Speaker 13: very affordable way to get into that Mac ecosystem. And

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Speaker 13: I do think that they have really found I think

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Speaker 13: they probably should have done this a very long time ago,

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Speaker 13: and I think they're doing I think they're going I

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Speaker 13: saw a comment on one of the websites with one

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Speaker 13: comment to see that Apple's going to sell these by

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Speaker 13: the palette, and I do think they probably are.

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Speaker 19: Because for the.

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Speaker 13: People who spend a lot of their day on email,

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Speaker 13: doing things in your browser, in a couple of docks

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Speaker 13: and some spreadsheets, you don't need all the power of

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Speaker 13: a MacBook Pro. This is kind of the machine for you.

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Speaker 13: And if you think about kind of the student market,

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Speaker 13: you know, you want to listen to some music, you

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Speaker 13: want to watch some movies every now and then, you

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Speaker 13: want to do some schoolwork. Maybe hey, perfect machine. So

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Speaker 13: it's kind of designed for that everyday type person. And

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Speaker 13: if you have an iPhone and you you know you

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Speaker 13: want to get into that Apple ecosystem a bit more.

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Speaker 13: I really think This is going to be a really

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Speaker 13: great device, especially if you want the keyboard, you can

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Speaker 13: dock it to an external monitor. The one thing it

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Speaker 13: doesn't have that I think I think it's missing. I

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Speaker 13: don't think it's a deal breaker, but it doesn't have

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Speaker 13: a backlick.

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Speaker 3: Keyboard, right, which, and the backlick keyboard is useful for

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Speaker 3: if you're just sitting in the dark, or just because

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Speaker 3: it looks nicer, just.

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Speaker 13: Because you're sitting in the dark the lights are a

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Speaker 13: bit dim.

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Speaker 19: You can also just turn a lamp on.

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Speaker 13: So just just to point out, I mean, you're saving

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Speaker 13: you're saving literally hundreds of dollars to not have a

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Speaker 13: backlick keyboard. Yeah, so it's it's it's probably not actually affective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I put to you know, I'm an

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Speaker 3: Apple yuppie. I think it's a really good idea. I

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Speaker 3: think the truth is that the vast majority of us

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Speaker 3: overstate the kind of computing or overthink the amount of

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Speaker 3: computing that we're actually doing. Yes, so the vast majority

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Speaker 3: of us are just using like Microsoft Word or Google

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Speaker 3: Docs and some emails, and we've got our browsers open.

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Speaker 3: We're just kind of sculling through the Internet, and maybe

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Speaker 3: there's an Excel sheet every now and then, but we're

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Speaker 3: not actually doing high end video editing or the kind

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Speaker 3: of gaming that requires really complicated graphics chips and all

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So this is probably perfectly adequate.

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Speaker 13: And can I just see too? So I have a

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Speaker 13: MacBook here, love it again, perfectly adequate. I do every

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Speaker 13: now and then need to edit some videos. It's not often,

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Speaker 13: but it's perfectly capable of doing that too. I'm not

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Speaker 13: editing a feature film over here. I'm editing like a

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Speaker 13: three minute video down to like cutting out some stuff

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Speaker 13: out of it. More than capable. And I've done the

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Speaker 13: same thing with the phone too. So they launched the

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Speaker 13: iPhone seventeen e. Basically it's missing a couple of kind

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Speaker 13: of nice to have features to the dynamic island in

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Speaker 13: the center stage, there's the thing that kind of keeps

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Speaker 13: you in center on the video calls. It does, though,

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Speaker 13: have things like that satellite SOS mode, which is I

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Speaker 13: think industry leading game changer. I think everybody in New

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Speaker 13: Zealand probably should have that, given how vast and remote

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Speaker 13: New Zealand is.

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Speaker 3: But the price of that, so it's going to start.

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Speaker 13: At one one ninety nine New Zealand dollars. That is

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Speaker 13: five hundred dollars less than the normal iPhone seventeen and

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Speaker 13: one one hundred and fifty dollars less than the seventeen pro.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, I mean, again, a really good option if

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Speaker 13: you're thinking about getting a new phone.

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01:06:37,653 --> 01:06:40,373
Speaker 3: If you want to be in the Apple ecosystem. We're

1280
01:06:40,373 --> 01:06:42,613
Speaker 3: going to find a better term than ecosystem, don't we,

1281
01:06:42,653 --> 01:06:45,253
Speaker 3: because it's not an ecosystem, you know, like just the

1282
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,693
Speaker 3: Apple system doesn't quite sound right, but I know what

1283
01:06:47,773 --> 01:06:51,573
Speaker 3: you mean. Monopoly, have monopoly the monopoly if you want

1284
01:06:51,613 --> 01:06:54,893
Speaker 3: me no, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, we'll work

1285
01:06:54,933 --> 01:06:56,973
Speaker 3: on that. Hey, thank you so much, Paul. Really interesting

1286
01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:59,733
Speaker 3: and yeah, it'll be intriguing to see just how popular

1287
01:06:59,853 --> 01:07:03,413
Speaker 3: these things are. My intuition is the same as yours,

1288
01:07:03,413 --> 01:07:05,693
Speaker 3: and that I think they'll be very very popular. Indeed,

1289
01:07:06,373 --> 01:07:08,853
Speaker 3: coming up before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden with

1290
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:11,693
Speaker 3: Ruge climb Pass. We're looking at one of his favorite

1291
01:07:11,693 --> 01:07:15,053
Speaker 3: birds this morning, kingfishes, which I reckon one of my

1292
01:07:15,093 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 3: favorites too. There's such smart looking little birds, aren't they.

1293
01:07:17,733 --> 01:07:19,933
Speaker 3: So he's going to be with us very shortly. Next up,

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01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:23,973
Speaker 3: our Resident GP with the Dangers of Sitting eighteen to eleven.

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01:07:25,493 --> 01:07:29,213
Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.

1296
01:07:30,173 --> 01:07:33,173
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks AV.

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01:07:34,693 --> 01:07:38,373
Speaker 3: Sixteen minutes to eleven, Non News TALKSZ'DB. Doctor Brian Betty

1298
01:07:38,493 --> 01:07:40,253
Speaker 3: is with us this morning. Brian, you've been caught up

1299
01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:41,973
Speaker 3: in the same thing. I've been caught up in these

1300
01:07:42,013 --> 01:07:46,453
Speaker 3: Facebook scams, these online scams showing videos of us and

1301
01:07:46,573 --> 01:07:49,573
Speaker 3: asking people for money. So I'm sorry to see you've

1302
01:07:49,613 --> 01:07:50,493
Speaker 3: been affected, but you have.

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01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:54,453
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, Look I've become I had one a couple

1304
01:07:54,453 --> 01:07:56,413
Speaker 11: of years ago, but in the last two weeks have

1305
01:07:56,453 --> 01:07:58,173
Speaker 11: had three or four come up. And the reason I've

1306
01:07:58,213 --> 01:08:01,333
Speaker 11: become aware of them is a couple of people have

1307
01:08:01,533 --> 01:08:04,453
Speaker 11: just contacted the surgery asking if they could send money

1308
01:08:04,493 --> 01:08:09,013
Speaker 11: directly to the clinic for these products. So really really

1309
01:08:09,053 --> 01:08:12,533
Speaker 11: worrying that this occurs. And they are absolute scams. So

1310
01:08:12,613 --> 01:08:16,693
Speaker 11: whether it's for the Manuka honey fortinitus or muscle extract

1311
01:08:16,693 --> 01:08:19,013
Speaker 11: for rhematoid arthritis, or garlic drops or whatever these things

1312
01:08:19,053 --> 01:08:22,013
Speaker 11: are promoting, and there's been a number of them. Yeah, people, Yeah,

1313
01:08:22,093 --> 01:08:26,053
Speaker 11: people need to be very very wary of what's posted

1314
01:08:26,093 --> 01:08:27,253
Speaker 11: on the internet or Facebook.

1315
01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:29,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, and if they say the one of you,

1316
01:08:29,333 --> 01:08:33,453
Speaker 3: obviously reported if they can, but also most importantly, don't

1317
01:08:34,053 --> 01:08:35,093
Speaker 3: send any money.

1318
01:08:35,573 --> 01:08:35,813
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1319
01:08:35,893 --> 01:08:38,813
Speaker 11: Look, look I think yes, please please report it if

1320
01:08:38,813 --> 01:08:42,053
Speaker 11: you see me promoting any of that stuff. And please

1321
01:08:42,213 --> 01:08:45,413
Speaker 11: do not do not, under any circumstances, please send any money.

1322
01:08:46,333 --> 01:08:50,293
Speaker 11: It's it's it's it's it is a total scam. So yeah,

1323
01:08:50,453 --> 01:08:52,213
Speaker 11: it's sort of the area we're living in.

1324
01:08:52,413 --> 01:08:55,653
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, it is, sadly it is. Unfortunately. Hey,

1325
01:08:55,653 --> 01:08:59,133
Speaker 3: look we're focusing this morning on some research that looks

1326
01:08:59,133 --> 01:09:02,573
Speaker 3: at how sitting for long periods can impact your health.

1327
01:09:03,053 --> 01:09:05,293
Speaker 3: And I know that people are rolling my eye or

1328
01:09:05,373 --> 01:09:08,013
Speaker 3: rolling their eyes. Sitting is bad for you. But obviously

1329
01:09:08,333 --> 01:09:12,613
Speaker 3: it's not all sitting. It's sitting for extended periods, right.

1330
01:09:13,613 --> 01:09:15,453
Speaker 11: Yeah, well look, I mean this is what it is.

1331
01:09:15,493 --> 01:09:17,613
Speaker 11: If you go back, you know, a couple of generations,

1332
01:09:17,613 --> 01:09:20,973
Speaker 11: we lad very physical lives. But we are now in

1333
01:09:21,013 --> 01:09:22,853
Speaker 11: a situation where most of us sit in front of

1334
01:09:22,893 --> 01:09:25,413
Speaker 11: computers for long periods of time. And there's now been

1335
01:09:25,453 --> 01:09:29,053
Speaker 11: some big research done around this, and yeah, what they've

1336
01:09:29,093 --> 01:09:32,453
Speaker 11: found is long periods of sitting is actually linked to

1337
01:09:32,453 --> 01:09:36,253
Speaker 11: a higher risk of death. So what we seen tend

1338
01:09:36,253 --> 01:09:39,453
Speaker 11: to see is high risks of heart disease, type two diabetes,

1339
01:09:39,493 --> 01:09:46,213
Speaker 11: and actually some cancers. Now, this risk is time dependent,

1340
01:09:46,293 --> 01:09:49,973
Speaker 11: so every hour that you sit spend sitting without a break,

1341
01:09:50,253 --> 01:09:51,973
Speaker 11: your risk goes up, and sort of six to eight

1342
01:09:52,013 --> 01:09:55,293
Speaker 11: hours tends to be a real critical point at which

1343
01:09:55,373 --> 01:09:58,653
Speaker 11: things tip over. Now, some people can exercise during the day,

1344
01:09:58,653 --> 01:10:03,013
Speaker 11: which is great, and exercise absolutely helps, but actually they

1345
01:10:03,053 --> 01:10:05,133
Speaker 11: can still sit for eight to ten hours a day,

1346
01:10:05,373 --> 01:10:08,253
Speaker 11: and that in itself is a risk factor, regardless of

1347
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:11,533
Speaker 11: doing separate exercise after work or during your lunch hour.

1348
01:10:11,613 --> 01:10:15,253
Speaker 11: So yeah, really really interesting stuff that's emerged around this.

1349
01:10:15,533 --> 01:10:17,573
Speaker 3: So what does it actually say about the harms that

1350
01:10:17,653 --> 01:10:19,413
Speaker 3: can be caused by too much sitting?

1351
01:10:20,373 --> 01:10:24,933
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, look, we think it's got to do with

1352
01:10:25,373 --> 01:10:28,173
Speaker 11: low muscle activity, especially in the legs. The legs are

1353
01:10:28,253 --> 01:10:31,253
Speaker 11: very big muscle bulks and the legs are very and

1354
01:10:31,373 --> 01:10:34,613
Speaker 11: muscles are very important in terms of sugar and fat

1355
01:10:34,733 --> 01:10:38,213
Speaker 11: metabolism in the body. So what tends to happen is

1356
01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:40,533
Speaker 11: you get these metabolic changes when you're sitting for long

1357
01:10:40,533 --> 01:10:43,973
Speaker 11: periods of times, where sugars may rise, where where fats

1358
01:10:44,213 --> 01:10:47,253
Speaker 11: may rise in the body. And also you tend to

1359
01:10:47,253 --> 01:10:49,493
Speaker 11: get a reduced blood flow and this leads to reduce

1360
01:10:50,293 --> 01:10:53,253
Speaker 11: caloric burns, so you don't burn as much much calories

1361
01:10:53,293 --> 01:10:55,253
Speaker 11: and you tend to put on weight. Now it can

1362
01:10:55,333 --> 01:10:57,733
Speaker 11: lead to other problems like back and neck problems which

1363
01:10:57,773 --> 01:10:59,853
Speaker 11: people I think will be very familiar with if they

1364
01:10:59,853 --> 01:11:02,293
Speaker 11: sit at computers for a long period of time. And

1365
01:11:02,413 --> 01:11:07,293
Speaker 11: interestingly enough issues with mood. So there's been associated with

1366
01:11:07,373 --> 01:11:10,493
Speaker 11: low mood if you spend long, long periods of time sitting.

1367
01:11:10,613 --> 01:11:13,493
Speaker 11: So there's all sorts of effects that sort of come

1368
01:11:13,533 --> 01:11:15,453
Speaker 11: into play, but a lot of them around what we

1369
01:11:15,533 --> 01:11:21,213
Speaker 11: call metabolic our metabolic health, which is the sugar fats,

1370
01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:22,533
Speaker 11: energy burn type stuff.

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Speaker 3: How do we reduce the risk?

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01:11:23,933 --> 01:11:24,093
Speaker 7: Then?

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01:11:25,293 --> 01:11:28,133
Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I mean, look, you can reduce the risk,

1374
01:11:28,133 --> 01:11:30,533
Speaker 11: but you need to think about it. And the thing

1375
01:11:30,653 --> 01:11:35,453
Speaker 11: is small, regular interruptions in you're sitting actually what dramatically

1376
01:11:35,533 --> 01:11:37,093
Speaker 11: reduced the risk.

1377
01:11:37,213 --> 01:11:38,373
Speaker 10: So look, just.

1378
01:11:38,293 --> 01:11:42,333
Speaker 11: Thinking about standing every thirty minutes and maybe just moving

1379
01:11:42,373 --> 01:11:44,373
Speaker 11: around the desk as simple as that, even for a

1380
01:11:44,413 --> 01:11:46,293
Speaker 11: minute or two, will make a profound difference.

1381
01:11:46,853 --> 01:11:48,333
Speaker 10: Taking short walks.

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01:11:48,053 --> 01:11:51,533
Speaker 11: During your you know, your morning break, your afteroon tea,

1383
01:11:51,653 --> 01:11:55,773
Speaker 11: or your lunch break, a sit stand desk, They are interesting.

1384
01:11:55,893 --> 01:11:58,053
Speaker 11: So stand desks, those ones where people stand at the desk,

1385
01:11:58,133 --> 01:12:01,693
Speaker 11: you actually tend to use more, more calories, you tend

1386
01:12:01,773 --> 01:12:05,773
Speaker 11: to have better blood flow. Walking during phone calls now

1387
01:12:05,813 --> 01:12:07,613
Speaker 11: I tend to do now, soem on the phone call,

1388
01:12:07,653 --> 01:12:09,493
Speaker 11: I actually tend to walk around. So people could do

1389
01:12:09,533 --> 01:12:11,773
Speaker 11: that very easily at the office if they chose to

1390
01:12:12,933 --> 01:12:15,453
Speaker 11: simple things like taking the stairs if you want to

1391
01:12:15,453 --> 01:12:18,773
Speaker 11: move between floors rather than the elevator. And actually, if

1392
01:12:18,773 --> 01:12:21,293
Speaker 11: you're going to work or you're coming home from work,

1393
01:12:21,373 --> 01:12:24,493
Speaker 11: maybe getting on the bus one bus stop further on

1394
01:12:24,573 --> 01:12:27,773
Speaker 11: so you walk a bit further, or maybe park a

1395
01:12:27,773 --> 01:12:31,133
Speaker 11: little bit further away from work. So these type of

1396
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:33,373
Speaker 11: things are really really beneficials. I think you can do

1397
01:12:33,453 --> 01:12:35,813
Speaker 11: things on your phone, like set your phone to remind

1398
01:12:35,853 --> 01:12:38,013
Speaker 11: you to get up and just walk around, or do

1399
01:12:38,133 --> 01:12:42,533
Speaker 11: something to rate just to break the cycle. But you know,

1400
01:12:42,653 --> 01:12:46,373
Speaker 11: so you know, it's not necessarily the fact you're sitting. Yeah,

1401
01:12:46,453 --> 01:12:48,893
Speaker 11: it's the length of time that you're sitting is actually

1402
01:12:48,893 --> 01:12:52,213
Speaker 11: the critical thing. So breaking it up is the number

1403
01:12:52,253 --> 01:12:53,933
Speaker 11: one thing you can do to reduce that risk.

1404
01:12:54,053 --> 01:12:57,213
Speaker 3: I also reckon you do better work. I'm convinced that

1405
01:12:57,253 --> 01:12:58,853
Speaker 3: if you get up, like you know, like if you

1406
01:12:58,893 --> 01:13:00,853
Speaker 3: get up every forty five minutes from your desk and

1407
01:13:00,893 --> 01:13:02,373
Speaker 3: you just go for a little walk around and get

1408
01:13:02,373 --> 01:13:05,093
Speaker 3: a coffee or whatever, I'm convinced you do a better job.

1409
01:13:05,173 --> 01:13:08,173
Speaker 4: Honestly, Look, you're absolutely right.

1410
01:13:08,293 --> 01:13:12,693
Speaker 11: Yeah, so again it just gets things going.

1411
01:13:12,853 --> 01:13:15,613
Speaker 3: Yeah right, thank you very much. Brian really appreciate that.

1412
01:13:15,653 --> 01:13:18,133
Speaker 3: We'll put all of those points up on the news talks.

1413
01:13:18,173 --> 01:13:20,253
Speaker 3: He'd be website and catch you again very soon. Good luck.

1414
01:13:20,253 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 3: Well the scams. I really hope that with plenty of

1415
01:13:23,333 --> 01:13:27,013
Speaker 3: people reporting them, that the powers that be might take

1416
01:13:27,053 --> 01:13:29,253
Speaker 3: them down, although having been through all of that myself,

1417
01:13:29,253 --> 01:13:31,293
Speaker 3: it feels like whack them all a lot of the time.

1418
01:13:31,333 --> 01:13:33,293
Speaker 3: I tell you what, if you take Brian's advice and

1419
01:13:33,293 --> 01:13:35,333
Speaker 3: you make sure you don't sit for too long, you

1420
01:13:35,373 --> 01:13:37,493
Speaker 3: do get up, you work around, there is a bit

1421
01:13:37,533 --> 01:13:41,453
Speaker 3: of a chance you might be a superagor because genetics

1422
01:13:41,453 --> 01:13:43,733
Speaker 3: play a role, but they reckon that lots of lifestyle

1423
01:13:43,813 --> 01:13:47,653
Speaker 3: factors can also contribute and superages. You know, people in

1424
01:13:47,693 --> 01:13:50,253
Speaker 3: their eighties have have like really really good memories and

1425
01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:54,053
Speaker 3: really good different measures of health. After eleven o'clock this morning,

1426
01:13:54,093 --> 01:13:55,173
Speaker 3: we're going to take a look at some of the

1427
01:13:55,213 --> 01:13:58,533
Speaker 3: other components that can help you become a superager. Right

1428
01:13:58,533 --> 01:14:00,293
Speaker 3: now it is ten to eleven. We're in the garden.

1429
01:14:00,293 --> 01:14:01,453
Speaker 3: Next on news talks, he'd.

1430
01:14:01,373 --> 01:14:07,173
Speaker 1: Be gardening with still sharp bottom deals on tools, builth right.

1431
01:14:07,453 --> 01:14:11,613
Speaker 3: Rude climb past is our man in the garden. Good morning, A.

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01:14:11,853 --> 01:14:14,973
Speaker 8: Very good morning to you. And are you all well there?

1433
01:14:15,013 --> 01:14:17,253
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you, very well. You you've been

1434
01:14:17,293 --> 01:14:19,173
Speaker 3: looking at kingfish and I reckon they're one of my

1435
01:14:19,333 --> 01:14:29,053
Speaker 3: favorite birds. Kingfishers obviously disagrees your temporary there for a moment,

1436
01:14:29,133 --> 01:14:30,573
Speaker 3: My goodness, I thought i'd offended.

1437
01:14:31,973 --> 01:14:34,413
Speaker 8: Yeah no, no, no, not really, but I got you know, yeah,

1438
01:14:34,493 --> 01:14:36,253
Speaker 8: yeah right, I had to look at kingfisher. You know

1439
01:14:36,333 --> 01:14:38,413
Speaker 8: I'm a bird, No don't you, Yes.

1440
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:38,533
Speaker 4: I do.

1441
01:14:38,653 --> 01:14:40,573
Speaker 3: I know that about you. But do you like birds?

1442
01:14:40,573 --> 01:14:41,293
Speaker 3: Are in six more?

1443
01:14:43,013 --> 01:14:45,373
Speaker 8: To be quite honest, it's birds that is my number

1444
01:14:45,373 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 8: one hobby. That's why I think the bugman is actually

1445
01:14:48,253 --> 01:14:48,733
Speaker 8: a fraud.

1446
01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:51,773
Speaker 3: Ah, I didn't know that. I thought it was going

1447
01:14:51,853 --> 01:14:53,493
Speaker 3: to be a bit of a Sophie's Choice situation.

1448
01:14:53,613 --> 01:14:56,733
Speaker 8: But okay, it will be all the time. But this

1449
01:14:56,773 --> 01:14:58,533
Speaker 8: is why I think it's so good. By the way,

1450
01:14:58,813 --> 01:15:01,293
Speaker 8: I'm really hacked off. I'm not in roder Ua today

1451
01:15:01,613 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 8: where the Guardian ship is happening at Wingspan, which is

1452
01:15:04,373 --> 01:15:05,933
Speaker 8: absolutely once a year.

1453
01:15:05,973 --> 01:15:06,693
Speaker 20: That's beutiful.

1454
01:15:07,013 --> 01:15:08,893
Speaker 8: But this is what this is what I learned from

1455
01:15:08,933 --> 01:15:13,573
Speaker 8: the guys at Wingspan. Kingfishes are also if you like

1456
01:15:13,613 --> 01:15:17,293
Speaker 8: birds of prey, you know, I've been looking after those.

1457
01:15:17,373 --> 01:15:20,733
Speaker 3: They shook like prey, don't they. They just don't look

1458
01:15:20,733 --> 01:15:23,133
Speaker 3: a bit sort of streamlined and sharp in a way

1459
01:15:23,173 --> 01:15:24,173
Speaker 3: that some other birds don't.

1460
01:15:25,093 --> 01:15:29,493
Speaker 8: And no sense of humor, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and fast

1461
01:15:29,573 --> 01:15:32,333
Speaker 8: and fast as well. Now anyway, so there's a whole

1462
01:15:32,373 --> 01:15:35,253
Speaker 8: lot of stuff here on the on on the website

1463
01:15:35,293 --> 01:15:38,413
Speaker 8: you'll find. But what I was doing, I was asking

1464
01:15:38,453 --> 01:15:40,893
Speaker 8: people what do you think king fishes eat? And they

1465
01:15:40,893 --> 01:15:44,133
Speaker 8: come up with all sorts of stuff from tunneling mud

1466
01:15:44,173 --> 01:15:48,013
Speaker 8: crabs and things like that, lizards, but also cora and

1467
01:15:48,053 --> 01:15:51,413
Speaker 8: things like that. They are really amazing. So what I've

1468
01:15:51,413 --> 01:15:53,613
Speaker 8: been doing with my twelve year old grandson, and We've

1469
01:15:53,653 --> 01:15:57,013
Speaker 8: been looking at kingfishes and bending them, putting rings around

1470
01:15:57,013 --> 01:15:59,653
Speaker 8: their legs, and I've been looking at the nest to

1471
01:15:59,693 --> 01:16:03,693
Speaker 8: see when they finally leave, because these kingfishes are very

1472
01:16:03,733 --> 01:16:08,093
Speaker 8: crazy creatures. They actually chuck out what they cannot digest.

1473
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:11,933
Speaker 8: And I kept an eye on what's below the Kingfisher

1474
01:16:11,933 --> 01:16:15,093
Speaker 8: Inness this year, and guess what we got large bones,

1475
01:16:15,173 --> 01:16:20,613
Speaker 8: mice just like that mice boom, gray skins and all

1476
01:16:20,653 --> 01:16:26,333
Speaker 8: that carabbit beetles, beautiful large beetles that are eaten. Alexander

1477
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:28,653
Speaker 8: beetle they're called, And they only occurred the only place

1478
01:16:28,653 --> 01:16:30,893
Speaker 8: in the world where they occurs cantly, so it's the

1479
01:16:30,933 --> 01:16:33,253
Speaker 8: thing I'm having an eye on anyway. But they eat

1480
01:16:33,333 --> 01:16:38,133
Speaker 8: heaps of them. They got a red admiral butterfly, but

1481
01:16:38,213 --> 01:16:40,573
Speaker 8: it was in such perfect condition that I reckon the

1482
01:16:40,733 --> 01:16:42,613
Speaker 8: baby said no, we're not going to eat that, Mum and.

1483
01:16:42,653 --> 01:16:44,173
Speaker 10: Dad, and they chucked it up.

1484
01:16:44,213 --> 01:16:48,293
Speaker 8: They chucked it out, And then I came to this

1485
01:16:48,853 --> 01:16:53,293
Speaker 8: two bird bands, two of those metal bands that go

1486
01:16:53,373 --> 01:16:57,933
Speaker 8: around the legs of other creature, other bands other birds

1487
01:16:57,973 --> 01:17:01,613
Speaker 8: in this case, and both those birds were silver eyes.

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01:17:02,573 --> 01:17:05,773
Speaker 8: When I and I collected those two and I went

1489
01:17:05,813 --> 01:17:08,413
Speaker 8: through the CEA, and I found that both of the

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01:17:08,533 --> 01:17:13,093
Speaker 8: silver eyes that were banded were banded by me. Wow,

1491
01:17:13,213 --> 01:17:17,813
Speaker 8: one one five years ago and one eight months ago.

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01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:18,533
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

1493
01:17:18,653 --> 01:17:18,933
Speaker 10: Cool.

1494
01:17:19,493 --> 01:17:22,853
Speaker 3: Well not so for the silver eyes but yeah, no, no,

1495
01:17:22,933 --> 01:17:27,093
Speaker 3: but it shows you they are relentless, so they can

1496
01:17:27,373 --> 01:17:28,933
Speaker 3: sure hunt a silver eye.

1497
01:17:30,013 --> 01:17:33,093
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, and smack them to death on a on

1498
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:37,573
Speaker 8: a on a piece of timber or whatever. Oh yeah,

1499
01:17:37,653 --> 01:17:41,973
Speaker 8: bang bang bang that's how they killed them. Jeez, this

1500
01:17:42,013 --> 01:17:44,253
Speaker 8: is this. This We should look at this a bit

1501
01:17:44,293 --> 01:17:47,093
Speaker 8: more often. You know, this is brilliant. Anyway, have a

1502
01:17:47,133 --> 01:17:48,013
Speaker 8: look on the website.

1503
01:17:48,093 --> 01:17:50,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the photos are amazing. I should have seen

1504
01:17:50,373 --> 01:17:51,733
Speaker 3: that at the very start. Roads seen to have some

1505
01:17:51,733 --> 01:17:53,413
Speaker 3: photos of this. I know it sounds a bit grizzly.

1506
01:17:53,453 --> 01:17:55,013
Speaker 3: It's not nearly as grizzy as it sounds, but you

1507
01:17:55,013 --> 01:17:58,173
Speaker 3: can see, for example, you can see the banding of

1508
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:02,373
Speaker 3: those silver eyes and that incredible butterfly. Yeah, like you say,

1509
01:18:02,613 --> 01:18:05,053
Speaker 3: it sounds like my baby kicking the best food out

1510
01:18:05,053 --> 01:18:07,733
Speaker 3: of the nest. Thank you so much, Rope. We will

1511
01:18:07,773 --> 01:18:09,653
Speaker 3: catch you again in the garden next week, and we'll

1512
01:18:09,653 --> 01:18:11,293
Speaker 3: make sure all of those photos are up on the

1513
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:13,053
Speaker 3: news talks. He'd be websites so you can see all

1514
01:18:13,053 --> 01:18:15,053
Speaker 3: those bits and pieces. Here you go, I saw a

1515
01:18:15,093 --> 01:18:17,093
Speaker 3: kingfisher in my garden that grabbed a wex. I flew

1516
01:18:17,173 --> 01:18:19,093
Speaker 3: up and then started bashing it, says Barb.

1517
01:18:19,573 --> 01:18:20,093
Speaker 4: There you go.

1518
01:18:20,333 --> 01:18:22,693
Speaker 3: It's almost eleven o'clock news. Is next on news talks.

1519
01:18:22,693 --> 01:18:27,013
Speaker 1: He'd be Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation

1520
01:18:27,213 --> 01:18:29,213
Speaker 1: going through the weekend news talks.

1521
01:18:29,213 --> 01:19:04,333
Speaker 12: It'd be.

1522
01:18:53,813 --> 01:18:54,613
Speaker 21: Mord enough.

1523
01:18:54,613 --> 01:18:56,253
Speaker 3: If you're just joining us on news talks. He'd be

1524
01:18:56,293 --> 01:18:57,933
Speaker 3: this morning. It is so good to have you here.

1525
01:18:57,973 --> 01:19:01,293
Speaker 3: I'm still shocked. I didn't realize that Kingfishers were so violent.

1526
01:19:01,333 --> 01:19:03,773
Speaker 3: We only just found out right before the eleven o'clock news.

1527
01:19:04,253 --> 01:19:07,173
Speaker 3: Felt like a man in the garden climb pass just

1528
01:19:07,733 --> 01:19:09,933
Speaker 3: ripped the pin out of the grenade, tossed it into

1529
01:19:09,973 --> 01:19:11,933
Speaker 3: the air, and then turned us back on us that

1530
01:19:12,053 --> 01:19:16,173
Speaker 3: Kingfishers are terribly violent. They beat silver Eyes to death.

1531
01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:20,813
Speaker 3: I know, shocking a haha. Jack, has the Kingfisher drop

1532
01:19:20,853 --> 01:19:22,893
Speaker 3: from the top of your favorites list they have for

1533
01:19:22,973 --> 01:19:24,893
Speaker 3: me on the text? Well, yeah, I don't know if

1534
01:19:24,893 --> 01:19:27,413
Speaker 3: they were the top of my favorite list. I think

1535
01:19:27,453 --> 01:19:32,413
Speaker 3: maybe Tooy, Well maybe not too maybe the toehe in

1536
01:19:32,453 --> 01:19:35,853
Speaker 3: the backyard or actually, you know what. It's hard to

1537
01:19:35,893 --> 01:19:39,533
Speaker 3: go past a care on a good day, isn't it. Anyway? Yeah,

1538
01:19:39,893 --> 01:19:42,133
Speaker 3: I'm certainly looking at Kingfisher in a slightly different light

1539
01:19:42,413 --> 01:19:44,573
Speaker 3: this morning. Thank you for your text. I'm going to

1540
01:19:44,613 --> 01:19:46,933
Speaker 3: get to more of those this hour and then before

1541
01:19:47,013 --> 01:19:49,693
Speaker 3: midday on news Talk Z'DB. I just you know, one

1542
01:19:49,693 --> 01:19:52,173
Speaker 3: of the things we love to do is challenge stereotypes

1543
01:19:52,213 --> 01:19:55,853
Speaker 3: on the show, and for many years now, one of

1544
01:19:55,853 --> 01:19:59,893
Speaker 3: our favorite segments has been our book reviews. About twenty

1545
01:19:59,893 --> 01:20:03,613
Speaker 3: to twelve. Every Saturday morning, Catherine Rain's, our book reviewer,

1546
01:20:03,733 --> 01:20:06,173
Speaker 3: joins us and talks us through a couple of cracking

1547
01:20:06,693 --> 01:20:10,933
Speaker 3: that she's enjoyed, but she is always one who's full

1548
01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:13,413
Speaker 3: of surprises, and this morning Katherine Rains is going to

1549
01:20:13,413 --> 01:20:15,213
Speaker 3: be joining us with her book picks, not from the

1550
01:20:15,213 --> 01:20:18,493
Speaker 3: comfort of her couch, not from home, but from the

1551
01:20:18,533 --> 01:20:21,253
Speaker 3: Formula One in Melbourne. Because as well as being a

1552
01:20:21,493 --> 01:20:26,333
Speaker 3: mad mad book lover, Kathin Rains is a moto head. Yeah,

1553
01:20:26,373 --> 01:20:28,973
Speaker 3: she absolutely loves it. She's a petrol head. She is

1554
01:20:29,053 --> 01:20:32,053
Speaker 3: there for the F one weekend. She has been looking

1555
01:20:32,053 --> 01:20:34,093
Speaker 3: forward to it for months. So we're going to cross

1556
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:36,773
Speaker 3: live to Melbourne, get our book picks for the week

1557
01:20:36,973 --> 01:20:41,653
Speaker 3: and Hot takes trackside from the F one Weekend with

1558
01:20:41,813 --> 01:20:44,813
Speaker 3: Katherine Rain. So really really looking forward to that as

1559
01:20:44,853 --> 01:20:46,253
Speaker 3: well as that we're gonna have a listen to Harry

1560
01:20:46,253 --> 01:20:49,093
Speaker 3: styles brand new album Kiss All the Time just go

1561
01:20:49,293 --> 01:20:51,333
Speaker 3: occasionally as the name of the album, which is a

1562
01:20:51,333 --> 01:20:53,573
Speaker 3: wee bit confusing, but we'll try and find out the

1563
01:20:53,573 --> 01:20:57,333
Speaker 3: story behind that. Right now, it's nine past eleven, So

1564
01:20:57,373 --> 01:20:59,773
Speaker 3: we said before eleven o'clock that sitting for too long

1565
01:21:00,013 --> 01:21:02,053
Speaker 3: can be bad for your health. It turns out all

1566
01:21:02,173 --> 01:21:07,053
Speaker 3: manner of factors, including diet and lifestyle, go into whether

1567
01:21:07,133 --> 01:21:10,773
Speaker 3: or not someone can be considered a superagent. So superages

1568
01:21:10,773 --> 01:21:14,453
Speaker 3: are someone over the age of eighty who have excellent memory.

1569
01:21:15,133 --> 01:21:17,973
Speaker 3: And Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being is here with

1570
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:21,053
Speaker 3: all the details this morning, get a Doogle cure.

1571
01:21:21,213 --> 01:21:22,093
Speaker 15: Jack, Nice to be with you.

1572
01:21:22,293 --> 01:21:23,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, you too.

1573
01:21:23,213 --> 01:21:25,453
Speaker 3: So what do we know about superages.

1574
01:21:26,373 --> 01:21:29,733
Speaker 15: Yeah, so, as you said that they are over eighty

1575
01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:33,213
Speaker 15: and and particularly it means you've got they've got really

1576
01:21:33,333 --> 01:21:38,173
Speaker 15: excellent memory skills. And that's memory for for two types

1577
01:21:38,213 --> 01:21:40,933
Speaker 15: of broadly, for memory, both of sort of everyday events

1578
01:21:40,973 --> 01:21:43,813
Speaker 15: that happened to you and for what we call those

1579
01:21:44,053 --> 01:21:47,573
Speaker 15: episodic memories, so that's personal history, that's sort of remembering

1580
01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:52,053
Speaker 15: things from back in your life. And and they're almost

1581
01:21:52,253 --> 01:21:57,333
Speaker 15: like the sort of the opposite of someone with Altzeimer's disease, right,

1582
01:21:57,613 --> 01:22:00,493
Speaker 15: and often and often they're sort of compared as maybe this,

1583
01:22:00,693 --> 01:22:03,253
Speaker 15: maybe what what what can we learn from superages that

1584
01:22:03,373 --> 01:22:07,653
Speaker 15: might help us understand Alzheimer's more and to some of

1585
01:22:07,693 --> 01:22:10,933
Speaker 15: the things that goes on there and certainly in the brain.

1586
01:22:11,093 --> 01:22:14,613
Speaker 15: We know that superages they have that they produce a

1587
01:22:14,653 --> 01:22:20,213
Speaker 15: lot more young brain cells, in fact, almost more sometimes

1588
01:22:20,253 --> 01:22:22,493
Speaker 15: than people in their thirties and forties. So they've got

1589
01:22:22,533 --> 01:22:27,253
Speaker 15: this prolific production of brain cells. And when I first

1590
01:22:27,533 --> 01:22:29,733
Speaker 15: studied psychology, and you know it was doing my training

1591
01:22:29,773 --> 01:22:34,173
Speaker 15: back in the nineties, the accepted wisdom at that stage

1592
01:22:34,253 --> 01:22:37,293
Speaker 15: was that brain cells don't reproduce. You don't grow new ones.

1593
01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:40,093
Speaker 15: You know, you're born with them and you do lose some,

1594
01:22:40,373 --> 01:22:43,493
Speaker 15: but that you can't regenerate them. But that's changed really

1595
01:22:43,533 --> 01:22:45,693
Speaker 15: in the past twenty to thirty years. Are understanding we

1596
01:22:45,733 --> 01:22:48,133
Speaker 15: know that in fact, we do generate new brain cells.

1597
01:22:48,733 --> 01:22:52,333
Speaker 15: And the advantage of having new kind of brain cells

1598
01:22:52,413 --> 01:22:56,373
Speaker 15: is they're much more plastic and pliable, so they can

1599
01:22:56,413 --> 01:22:59,173
Speaker 15: be adapted for different things. They're not sort of set

1600
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:01,173
Speaker 15: in their ways. You know, we talk all the time

1601
01:23:01,213 --> 01:23:04,173
Speaker 15: about oh, you know, I'm making new neural pathways and

1602
01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:05,973
Speaker 15: the brain and that kind of thing. And in fact,

1603
01:23:06,013 --> 01:23:08,253
Speaker 15: this is kind of this is perhaps sort of true

1604
01:23:08,493 --> 01:23:12,613
Speaker 15: for superages that they are producing new brain cells and

1605
01:23:12,653 --> 01:23:15,573
Speaker 15: that's helping perhaps your brain to grow and be more

1606
01:23:15,573 --> 01:23:17,733
Speaker 15: resilient and be more flexible.

1607
01:23:18,013 --> 01:23:22,333
Speaker 3: Right, So genetics play a role, but lifestyle factors like

1608
01:23:22,373 --> 01:23:25,653
Speaker 3: sitting too long at your desk and obviously exercise, those

1609
01:23:25,733 --> 01:23:27,013
Speaker 3: are big things to right.

1610
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:32,613
Speaker 15: Absolutely. I mean, I think almost everything, particularly in psychology land,

1611
01:23:33,253 --> 01:23:38,333
Speaker 15: almost everything is a mix of nature and nurture. There's

1612
01:23:38,493 --> 01:23:42,693
Speaker 15: very few things around psychology that are purely one or

1613
01:23:42,733 --> 01:23:44,813
Speaker 15: the other. There's always a mixture of two. So yes,

1614
01:23:44,853 --> 01:23:47,893
Speaker 15: you can't and you can't change your genetics. So it's like, oh, well,

1615
01:23:48,453 --> 01:23:50,733
Speaker 15: you know, what's the point in a way in terms

1616
01:23:50,733 --> 01:23:53,093
Speaker 15: of what can you do personally? But you know those

1617
01:23:53,133 --> 01:23:56,693
Speaker 15: things that Brian was talking about before before the news

1618
01:23:56,773 --> 01:24:01,333
Speaker 15: around sitting and being active, and we talked about this

1619
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:02,933
Speaker 15: sort of last year, I think a little bit when

1620
01:24:02,933 --> 01:24:05,773
Speaker 15: we talked about blue zones, and those are people that

1621
01:24:06,053 --> 01:24:08,853
Speaker 15: you know areas in the world where people live long

1622
01:24:08,893 --> 01:24:12,253
Speaker 15: and they tend to have more active lifestyles. But there's

1623
01:24:12,253 --> 01:24:15,813
Speaker 15: also psychological tools you can you can use to help

1624
01:24:17,133 --> 01:24:21,053
Speaker 15: with your help your brain really, and these are associated

1625
01:24:21,053 --> 01:24:26,093
Speaker 15: these tools are associated with long longevity, and there's no

1626
01:24:26,253 --> 01:24:29,973
Speaker 15: direct connection with superaging. But the idea is maybe if

1627
01:24:30,013 --> 01:24:34,173
Speaker 15: you're using these psychological tools, you're actually helping your brain

1628
01:24:34,293 --> 01:24:37,453
Speaker 15: be a bit more flexible. You're you're keeping it active

1629
01:24:37,693 --> 01:24:40,173
Speaker 15: in the same way that getting up and moving around

1630
01:24:40,253 --> 01:24:43,413
Speaker 15: is keeping your body active. Using some psychological tools can

1631
01:24:43,413 --> 01:24:47,733
Speaker 15: actually help your brain become or stay flexible, stay supple,

1632
01:24:47,853 --> 01:24:49,293
Speaker 15: stay stay new.

1633
01:24:49,573 --> 01:24:52,493
Speaker 3: That's amazing. So and these are true psychological tools, not

1634
01:24:52,533 --> 01:24:54,493
Speaker 3: like just doing suduku or something like that. These are

1635
01:24:54,533 --> 01:24:55,813
Speaker 3: actual yeah.

1636
01:24:55,653 --> 01:24:59,053
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, they are. Look and and there's sort of

1637
01:24:59,053 --> 01:25:01,093
Speaker 15: mixed evidence from what I can see around things like

1638
01:25:01,093 --> 01:25:03,813
Speaker 15: suduku and cross words and that kind of thing. And

1639
01:25:03,853 --> 01:25:07,013
Speaker 15: I certainly wouldn't say to anybody, don't do those at all.

1640
01:25:07,053 --> 01:25:12,013
Speaker 15: But this really is what we call developing an optimistic mindset.

1641
01:25:12,093 --> 01:25:14,613
Speaker 15: And that can sound a little bit eerie fairy, and

1642
01:25:14,653 --> 01:25:17,533
Speaker 15: it's like, oh, well, isn't that just you know, you know,

1643
01:25:17,653 --> 01:25:19,693
Speaker 15: isn't that just thinking the world's a wonderful place when

1644
01:25:19,733 --> 01:25:22,693
Speaker 15: it's not really and blah blah blah.

1645
01:25:22,693 --> 01:25:23,893
Speaker 3: And it's not that.

1646
01:25:24,013 --> 01:25:27,533
Speaker 15: I mean, there's some specific things that we know. So

1647
01:25:27,933 --> 01:25:31,333
Speaker 15: first yary optimism or an optimistic mind frame is associated

1648
01:25:31,373 --> 01:25:34,773
Speaker 15: with longevity, so living longer, and the idea here is

1649
01:25:34,773 --> 01:25:37,053
Speaker 15: that maybe that's also helps with your brain. So what

1650
01:25:37,053 --> 01:25:40,373
Speaker 15: can you do to be to adopt an optimistic worldview? Well,

1651
01:25:40,373 --> 01:25:44,013
Speaker 15: that we know from looking at optimists there's two things.

1652
01:25:44,013 --> 01:25:46,813
Speaker 15: So they look at bad when bad things happen. So

1653
01:25:46,853 --> 01:25:48,653
Speaker 15: it's not pretending that bad things don't happen, but when

1654
01:25:48,693 --> 01:25:52,493
Speaker 15: bad things happen, they're much less likely to blame themselves.

1655
01:25:52,533 --> 01:25:56,133
Speaker 15: They see themselves not as this bad thing happens, not

1656
01:25:56,213 --> 01:25:58,933
Speaker 15: because I'm a terrible person or something. It just bad

1657
01:25:58,973 --> 01:26:02,973
Speaker 15: stuff happens sometimes, and it's only temporary.

1658
01:26:03,053 --> 01:26:03,893
Speaker 3: It's only temporary.

1659
01:26:03,933 --> 01:26:07,133
Speaker 15: So that's optimists look at the bad things like that,

1660
01:26:07,213 --> 01:26:10,373
Speaker 15: and then they flip when they look at good things

1661
01:26:10,373 --> 01:26:13,213
Speaker 15: that have happened, so they have an opposite mindset. They

1662
01:26:13,373 --> 01:26:15,893
Speaker 15: look when they look at bad things are not about me,

1663
01:26:16,013 --> 01:26:18,293
Speaker 15: it won't last long. Good things, they go, oh, yeah,

1664
01:26:18,573 --> 01:26:22,413
Speaker 15: much more likely to be something I've done and I

1665
01:26:22,453 --> 01:26:25,493
Speaker 15: can take control of it, and it's probably likely to continue.

1666
01:26:25,533 --> 01:26:27,653
Speaker 15: So in the sense, you take credit for the good

1667
01:26:28,013 --> 01:26:30,853
Speaker 15: and make it and don't take any credit for the bad.

1668
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:33,373
Speaker 15: And you think, oh, yeah, this positive stuff, this is

1669
01:26:33,373 --> 01:26:36,133
Speaker 15: going to continue, This is really going to continue for

1670
01:26:36,213 --> 01:26:37,893
Speaker 15: me in the long term. And we know that that

1671
01:26:38,413 --> 01:26:46,173
Speaker 15: optimistic style of thinking is associated with better aging, and

1672
01:26:46,253 --> 01:26:47,973
Speaker 15: it is, of course something you can train your brain

1673
01:26:48,013 --> 01:26:50,533
Speaker 15: to do. It's not you know, and most of us

1674
01:26:50,533 --> 01:26:52,373
Speaker 15: don't look at the world in an optimistic way. We

1675
01:26:52,413 --> 01:26:54,613
Speaker 15: tend to be looking for thread and looking for negativity.

1676
01:26:55,013 --> 01:26:58,533
Speaker 15: But you can train your brain to look at that

1677
01:26:58,573 --> 01:26:59,973
Speaker 15: sort of optimistic worldview.

1678
01:27:00,213 --> 01:27:03,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and so you can do things like it's

1679
01:27:03,173 --> 01:27:04,573
Speaker 3: what grace for atheists?

1680
01:27:05,373 --> 01:27:07,733
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yes, A couple of a couple of a

1681
01:27:07,773 --> 01:27:11,493
Speaker 15: couple of sort of practical tools. We've call this grace

1682
01:27:11,533 --> 01:27:14,853
Speaker 15: for atheists. I mean, obviously, if you're a person of faith,

1683
01:27:14,893 --> 01:27:16,413
Speaker 15: you don't have to be an atheist. You can just

1684
01:27:16,453 --> 01:27:22,453
Speaker 15: say grace. But grace for atheists is sitting down, you know,

1685
01:27:22,493 --> 01:27:25,013
Speaker 15: stereotypically with your evening meal, but it could be any

1686
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:28,573
Speaker 15: time of the day and just bringing to mind and

1687
01:27:28,653 --> 01:27:31,973
Speaker 15: even better, writing down or discussing with other people who

1688
01:27:31,973 --> 01:27:35,573
Speaker 15: are around you the good things that have happened, things

1689
01:27:35,573 --> 01:27:39,693
Speaker 15: that you are thankful for that day, and those might

1690
01:27:39,733 --> 01:27:42,333
Speaker 15: be very very small things. Sometimes it's not like every

1691
01:27:42,373 --> 01:27:44,813
Speaker 15: day you get up and win lotto or you know,

1692
01:27:45,733 --> 01:27:49,333
Speaker 15: or something amazing happens. Sometimes it's just the very small

1693
01:27:49,413 --> 01:27:55,533
Speaker 15: kind of things. It could be like last weekend, for example,

1694
01:27:55,573 --> 01:27:57,653
Speaker 15: I was taking the dogs for a walk and going

1695
01:27:57,693 --> 01:27:59,293
Speaker 15: back to the topic of birds that you were talking about,

1696
01:27:59,333 --> 01:28:03,013
Speaker 15: just before these two just flew past me and landed

1697
01:28:03,093 --> 01:28:05,813
Speaker 15: on a tree just about at my eye level, just

1698
01:28:05,853 --> 01:28:08,613
Speaker 15: about ten meters away, and it was like, man, these

1699
01:28:08,693 --> 01:28:11,573
Speaker 15: are New Zealand falcons right there. So that's just an

1700
01:28:11,573 --> 01:28:14,813
Speaker 15: example of sort of you know, small things that you

1701
01:28:14,853 --> 01:28:18,733
Speaker 15: can be thankful for every day. So it's trying to

1702
01:28:18,773 --> 01:28:22,973
Speaker 15: bring to my getting. It's training your brain to look

1703
01:28:23,053 --> 01:28:28,893
Speaker 15: for those positive things, however small they are in your life,

1704
01:28:28,893 --> 01:28:29,973
Speaker 15: as they happen every day.

1705
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:32,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'll pay off over time. That really is

1706
01:28:32,973 --> 01:28:36,173
Speaker 3: quite extraordinary that you can try and teach yourself those

1707
01:28:36,213 --> 01:28:39,133
Speaker 3: little psychological tricks. You know, that you can teach yourself

1708
01:28:39,133 --> 01:28:41,733
Speaker 3: those little practices, those routines, and that they can pay

1709
01:28:41,733 --> 01:28:44,413
Speaker 3: off meaningfully in the long run. Yeah, it's funny.

1710
01:28:44,493 --> 01:28:44,733
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1711
01:28:45,133 --> 01:28:47,413
Speaker 15: Yeah, they're very much like you know, training your body.

1712
01:28:47,453 --> 01:28:50,373
Speaker 15: You know that you do, you know you do. Going

1713
01:28:50,413 --> 01:28:52,413
Speaker 15: back to the sitting, the analogy with the sitting, you're

1714
01:28:52,413 --> 01:28:52,853
Speaker 15: getting up.

1715
01:28:52,893 --> 01:28:53,653
Speaker 12: You're being active.

1716
01:28:53,693 --> 01:28:57,573
Speaker 15: You're creating a pattern, a habit of being regularly active

1717
01:28:57,573 --> 01:29:00,813
Speaker 15: in your physical body. And maybe while you're doing that,

1718
01:29:00,853 --> 01:29:03,213
Speaker 15: while you're standing up from your desk, use the time

1719
01:29:03,333 --> 01:29:05,373
Speaker 15: mentally to think about a couple of good things that

1720
01:29:05,413 --> 01:29:08,173
Speaker 15: have happened that day. Yeah, combine the two together, and

1721
01:29:08,253 --> 01:29:10,613
Speaker 15: actually you're exercising not only your body but your brain

1722
01:29:10,653 --> 01:29:10,933
Speaker 15: as well.

1723
01:29:11,093 --> 01:29:13,653
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I thank you so much. Google, Google Southerland

1724
01:29:14,373 --> 01:29:16,453
Speaker 3: from Umbrella Well being with us this morning in a

1725
01:29:16,493 --> 01:29:19,213
Speaker 3: couple of minutes, our travel correspondence, and he's counting down

1726
01:29:19,213 --> 01:29:21,333
Speaker 3: the days to Flavors of Plenty and Bay of Plenty.

1727
01:29:21,413 --> 01:29:23,773
Speaker 3: It's the big food festival there, so he'll be with

1728
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:26,573
Speaker 3: us very shortly. Seventeen past eleven on newstalk Z'DB.

1729
01:29:28,413 --> 01:29:31,253
Speaker 1: Travel with Windy Woo Tours where the world.

1730
01:29:31,173 --> 01:29:34,613
Speaker 3: Is yours for now, like Hardley is our travel correspondent.

1731
01:29:34,653 --> 01:29:41,933
Speaker 3: Good morning, Oh Mike, you're there, I am here, JACKB morning,

1732
01:29:42,133 --> 01:29:44,293
Speaker 3: Thank goodness, good morning. How are you.

1733
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:47,973
Speaker 10: Very good? Thank you. I've just come inside.

1734
01:29:47,973 --> 01:29:51,413
Speaker 21: I feel like I need baffles in my house because

1735
01:29:51,453 --> 01:29:53,733
Speaker 21: the cicadas who had sort of gone into a slumber

1736
01:29:53,853 --> 01:29:57,133
Speaker 21: when some had disappeared, some has come back with a vengeance,

1737
01:29:57,173 --> 01:29:58,413
Speaker 21: and so have the cicadas.

1738
01:29:58,413 --> 01:30:00,973
Speaker 10: It's like the screaming.

1739
01:30:00,413 --> 01:30:05,573
Speaker 3: Really yeah yeah, oh well, I mean it's good, I guess, yeah.

1740
01:30:05,653 --> 01:30:05,773
Speaker 15: Good.

1741
01:30:05,813 --> 01:30:07,813
Speaker 3: At least summer's going to come back a little bit.

1742
01:30:07,813 --> 01:30:09,853
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's been a funny old little period day.

1743
01:30:10,293 --> 01:30:13,573
Speaker 3: He sure has you counting down to Flavors of Plenty,

1744
01:30:13,573 --> 01:30:16,253
Speaker 3: which is Bayo Plenty's big food festival. It's sort of

1745
01:30:16,253 --> 01:30:19,933
Speaker 3: become one of New Zealand's premiere food festivals. So how

1746
01:30:19,973 --> 01:30:20,973
Speaker 3: long has it been around now?

1747
01:30:22,133 --> 01:30:24,813
Speaker 21: Yes, this year's bash will be its fifth outing Jack

1748
01:30:24,893 --> 01:30:27,173
Speaker 21: and it is quite amazing how a festival which is

1749
01:30:27,213 --> 01:30:31,733
Speaker 21: still reasonably new has just stemmed itself on the culinary

1750
01:30:31,773 --> 01:30:33,453
Speaker 21: calendar as a signature event.

1751
01:30:34,213 --> 01:30:36,053
Speaker 10: What I love about it is that it's.

1752
01:30:35,893 --> 01:30:39,693
Speaker 21: Strung right across Coastal Plenty, from way He Beach to

1753
01:30:39,733 --> 01:30:43,973
Speaker 21: Fakatan and there's just so many lips smacking events to

1754
01:30:44,053 --> 01:30:46,333
Speaker 21: sink your teeth into. I was up in the bar

1755
01:30:46,413 --> 01:30:48,853
Speaker 21: plenty two weeks ago just to get a taster of

1756
01:30:48,973 --> 01:30:52,413
Speaker 21: some of the festival offerings and it's very, very diverse.

1757
01:30:52,453 --> 01:30:53,573
Speaker 10: So they've got lots of.

1758
01:30:53,893 --> 01:30:57,973
Speaker 21: Restauranteurs involved, obviously, but the growers in the region will

1759
01:30:58,013 --> 01:31:00,413
Speaker 21: feature heavily in the festival, so it all kicks off

1760
01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:01,133
Speaker 21: in mid April.

1761
01:31:01,333 --> 01:31:01,693
Speaker 7: Nice.

1762
01:31:01,733 --> 01:31:04,133
Speaker 3: Okay. When I think about Bay of Plenty, I think

1763
01:31:04,213 --> 01:31:07,333
Speaker 3: about green stuff, so I think about fruit and I

1764
01:31:07,373 --> 01:31:10,333
Speaker 3: think about avocados. They're kind of synonymous with Bay of Blendy.

1765
01:31:11,413 --> 01:31:15,093
Speaker 21: Yeah, totally to Porkykvy fruit capital of the world, and

1766
01:31:16,733 --> 01:31:20,013
Speaker 21: the avocado capital of New Zealand undoubtedly is Carti Cuti.

1767
01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:23,053
Speaker 21: So starting with the latter, I took this really good

1768
01:31:23,093 --> 01:31:27,373
Speaker 21: tour on Tim and Michelle Rosamond's Avocado Watchard and Kati

1769
01:31:27,453 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 21: cutting a fortmight a go and it comes complete with

1770
01:31:30,213 --> 01:31:31,013
Speaker 21: great tastings.

1771
01:31:31,013 --> 01:31:31,653
Speaker 10: I have to say.

1772
01:31:32,533 --> 01:31:35,573
Speaker 21: It's amazing, though, just on a little orchard tour, how

1773
01:31:35,653 --> 01:31:38,733
Speaker 21: much you will learn about this marvelous superfood, which of

1774
01:31:38,733 --> 01:31:42,373
Speaker 21: course is botanically classified as a fruit. I know that

1775
01:31:42,453 --> 01:31:45,333
Speaker 21: can be controversial for some, but a lot of our

1776
01:31:45,373 --> 01:31:48,813
Speaker 21: avocado's jacka exported to North America, and the Americans just

1777
01:31:48,853 --> 01:31:51,613
Speaker 21: can't believe how good our avocados are compared to some

1778
01:31:51,653 --> 01:31:55,293
Speaker 21: of the slushy stuff they get from across the border.

1779
01:31:55,653 --> 01:31:59,933
Speaker 21: Is I strolled under Tim's trees, they were just positively

1780
01:32:00,013 --> 01:32:03,653
Speaker 21: groaning in fruit and I found this fascinating. You can

1781
01:32:03,653 --> 01:32:06,893
Speaker 21: actually see this year's crop and next year is crop

1782
01:32:07,453 --> 01:32:09,693
Speaker 21: on the same tree because the avocados can stay on

1783
01:32:09,733 --> 01:32:11,013
Speaker 21: the tree for eighteen months.

1784
01:32:11,053 --> 01:32:14,253
Speaker 10: So wow, you just learned so many things.

1785
01:32:14,293 --> 01:32:19,733
Speaker 21: But the guacamole that Tim whips up is worth the

1786
01:32:19,773 --> 01:32:21,493
Speaker 21: trip a line so it comes and I thought I

1787
01:32:21,493 --> 01:32:23,333
Speaker 21: will pass this by you to see if you think

1788
01:32:23,373 --> 01:32:29,053
Speaker 21: this passes Jack Thames Pub test. It's avocado with kilipinos,

1789
01:32:29,133 --> 01:32:31,253
Speaker 21: red onion, lime juice and coriando.

1790
01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:35,733
Speaker 3: Oh cheeky, yeah, just extraordinary, and I feel like the

1791
01:32:35,813 --> 01:32:38,773
Speaker 3: jalapeno is kind of offsetting the creaminess of the of

1792
01:32:38,813 --> 01:32:40,693
Speaker 3: the avocado as well. You know you've got the heat

1793
01:32:40,733 --> 01:32:44,173
Speaker 3: and in the core cheeky yeah, Okay, plenty of salt

1794
01:32:44,173 --> 01:32:46,653
Speaker 3: in there as well. I reckon salt.

1795
01:32:47,053 --> 01:32:52,693
Speaker 21: What about truffles, Yes, for a complete pellet change venture

1796
01:32:52,773 --> 01:32:53,693
Speaker 21: to truffle Watch.

1797
01:32:53,773 --> 01:32:53,933
Speaker 20: Now.

1798
01:32:53,973 --> 01:32:56,573
Speaker 21: They're based in Pieing, Auraa and you can have a

1799
01:32:56,613 --> 01:33:00,533
Speaker 21: wed dabble with sustainably grown black peer regard truffles. So

1800
01:33:00,573 --> 01:33:04,413
Speaker 21: truffle Ward is just one or a handful of commercial

1801
01:33:04,413 --> 01:33:07,533
Speaker 21: blocks in New Zealand. Again, you can do a little

1802
01:33:07,573 --> 01:33:09,973
Speaker 21: tour with Lance and Nicky who own it. They do

1803
01:33:10,253 --> 01:33:13,813
Speaker 21: great urs in their true for year, which is the

1804
01:33:13,853 --> 01:33:16,693
Speaker 21: official name for a truffle orchid, and it's got several

1805
01:33:16,853 --> 01:33:20,973
Speaker 21: hundred several hundred English oak and hazel nut trees and

1806
01:33:21,013 --> 01:33:25,253
Speaker 21: then the truffle spores attached themselves to the tree roots underground.

1807
01:33:25,413 --> 01:33:28,493
Speaker 21: And I mean, man, if you have a bump of crop,

1808
01:33:28,893 --> 01:33:31,453
Speaker 21: you will feel like you've won Lotto Division one because

1809
01:33:31,533 --> 01:33:38,653
Speaker 21: one truffle gram sells for about four dollars one gram. Yeah,

1810
01:33:39,173 --> 01:33:43,733
Speaker 21: I mean, it's such a mercurial sort of industry. Every

1811
01:33:43,813 --> 01:33:46,973
Speaker 21: season is so different, it can be so hidden miss

1812
01:33:47,173 --> 01:33:49,813
Speaker 21: And the amazing thing about it in the New Zealand context,

1813
01:33:50,213 --> 01:33:53,053
Speaker 21: possums are our biggest truffle thieves.

1814
01:33:53,533 --> 01:33:54,413
Speaker 10: They are a menace.

1815
01:33:54,893 --> 01:33:57,213
Speaker 21: They will sniff them out, they'll dig them up, and

1816
01:33:57,253 --> 01:34:00,693
Speaker 21: they'll happily binge on several thousand dollars worth of truffles overnight.

1817
01:34:00,933 --> 01:34:03,973
Speaker 3: That I necessarily knew that possums could dig, but of

1818
01:34:04,013 --> 01:34:06,893
Speaker 3: course they can do you know. That's yeah right. So,

1819
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:09,613
Speaker 3: I mean it's quite a secretive world, the truffle world day.

1820
01:34:10,773 --> 01:34:14,693
Speaker 21: Oh, it's actually quite menacing. There is so much sabotage

1821
01:34:14,973 --> 01:34:18,053
Speaker 21: overseas in the Truple World in France. Lance was saying

1822
01:34:18,093 --> 01:34:21,093
Speaker 21: to me that in front, a lot of truffle pigs

1823
01:34:21,253 --> 01:34:25,973
Speaker 21: and dogs are just stolen or mysteriously disappear or are

1824
01:34:26,013 --> 01:34:31,253
Speaker 21: found shot because the rivalry between producers is just so fierce.

1825
01:34:31,653 --> 01:34:34,773
Speaker 10: There's very little collaboration, right, and.

1826
01:34:34,933 --> 01:34:40,253
Speaker 21: Even in New Zealand, people tend to keep to themselves.

1827
01:34:40,293 --> 01:34:40,813
Speaker 10: Interestingly.

1828
01:34:40,973 --> 01:34:43,933
Speaker 21: Yeah, so, Lance said to me that the only fellow

1829
01:34:44,013 --> 01:34:47,453
Speaker 21: producer that they've managed to sort of swat notes with

1830
01:34:47,613 --> 01:34:50,093
Speaker 21: and glean a bit of advice from is a family

1831
01:34:50,133 --> 01:34:53,893
Speaker 21: in Oregon. And that is after that family had actually

1832
01:34:53,933 --> 01:34:57,693
Speaker 21: created one hundred million dollar in your business, and then

1833
01:34:58,173 --> 01:35:00,093
Speaker 21: well we can start to share ourselves around a bit.

1834
01:35:00,173 --> 01:35:00,653
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1835
01:35:00,733 --> 01:35:00,933
Speaker 5: Right.

1836
01:35:02,453 --> 01:35:04,653
Speaker 21: So the other really cool thing about Truffle World is

1837
01:35:04,653 --> 01:35:07,813
Speaker 21: alongside the actual raw t they also do some really

1838
01:35:07,813 --> 01:35:10,613
Speaker 21: cool products. So try things like truffle and fused oil,

1839
01:35:11,173 --> 01:35:15,733
Speaker 21: truffle salt, and best of all, they're a wonderful truffle

1840
01:35:15,893 --> 01:35:18,413
Speaker 21: balsam vinegar that really hit the spot for me.

1841
01:35:18,773 --> 01:35:22,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, cool. So what are some of the headline

1842
01:35:22,293 --> 01:35:24,493
Speaker 3: events in Flavors of Plenty this year?

1843
01:35:25,653 --> 01:35:29,133
Speaker 21: Yeah, Well, wildly popular is what they call the Battle

1844
01:35:29,213 --> 01:35:30,013
Speaker 21: of the Snack.

1845
01:35:30,213 --> 01:35:31,573
Speaker 10: This is a bit of me, and I'm sure it's

1846
01:35:31,573 --> 01:35:32,493
Speaker 10: a bit of you, two jeck.

1847
01:35:32,613 --> 01:35:35,893
Speaker 21: So basically, it's a whole lot of really tasty snacks

1848
01:35:35,893 --> 01:35:40,053
Speaker 21: and canterpase and you can just graze heartily all over.

1849
01:35:39,933 --> 01:35:42,653
Speaker 10: The Plenty in pursuit of the Battle of the Snack.

1850
01:35:42,693 --> 01:35:45,973
Speaker 21: So they what the organization does is they team up

1851
01:35:46,013 --> 01:35:49,813
Speaker 21: a top local chef with like a rising culinary talent,

1852
01:35:50,493 --> 01:35:56,093
Speaker 21: and these pears will compete against each other to get the.

1853
01:35:56,053 --> 01:35:56,893
Speaker 10: Nod for the best snack.

1854
01:35:57,133 --> 01:36:00,293
Speaker 21: The other big competition is called Plates of Plenty, so

1855
01:36:00,333 --> 01:36:04,133
Speaker 21: they'll have about twenty eateries going head to head, and

1856
01:36:04,253 --> 01:36:08,213
Speaker 21: each etery receives a box of local produce and products

1857
01:36:08,573 --> 01:36:12,973
Speaker 21: and I've got to just confine themselves to those items

1858
01:36:13,093 --> 01:36:16,813
Speaker 21: to create a signature dish, and then diners ultimately vote

1859
01:36:17,533 --> 01:36:18,773
Speaker 21: for the winning dish.

1860
01:36:18,853 --> 01:36:22,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh mate, that's so good. Any novelties that are

1861
01:36:22,333 --> 01:36:23,293
Speaker 3: worth mentioning this year?

1862
01:36:24,653 --> 01:36:27,813
Speaker 21: Well, I was grazing the program and there are just

1863
01:36:27,853 --> 01:36:30,973
Speaker 21: so many events over the eighteen delicious days of Flavors

1864
01:36:30,973 --> 01:36:33,813
Speaker 21: of Plenty. But yeah, some really cool temptations. I like

1865
01:36:33,893 --> 01:36:37,573
Speaker 21: the sound of the big fat Greek Cypriot lunch. I

1866
01:36:37,653 --> 01:36:40,773
Speaker 21: really like the sound of a cake and cocktails picnic.

1867
01:36:40,973 --> 01:36:45,613
Speaker 21: Bit different because you're so partial to all things Mexican Jack,

1868
01:36:46,093 --> 01:36:49,053
Speaker 21: I thought of you with respect to Rosy's Red Hot

1869
01:36:49,093 --> 01:36:52,333
Speaker 21: canteena which is in the Mount Great Joint. In the Mount,

1870
01:36:52,413 --> 01:36:57,213
Speaker 21: they are hosting the Wings of Fire Challenge, so think

1871
01:36:57,253 --> 01:37:01,933
Speaker 21: Coney Island and hot dogs with hot sauce. Wow, escalating

1872
01:37:01,973 --> 01:37:05,333
Speaker 21: spice levels of hot locally made hot sauces on each

1873
01:37:05,413 --> 01:37:08,773
Speaker 21: chicken wing to find who can win the Battle of attrition.

1874
01:37:08,893 --> 01:37:13,093
Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, great, ah, fantastic, Okay, cool, this sounds really good.

1875
01:37:13,133 --> 01:37:15,453
Speaker 3: I've never been to Flavors of Plenty. That could be

1876
01:37:15,133 --> 01:37:17,653
Speaker 3: a be a bit of me I reckon, especially over

1877
01:37:17,773 --> 01:37:20,933
Speaker 3: eighteen days superb. So Mike's article is up on the

1878
01:37:20,933 --> 01:37:22,613
Speaker 3: news talks 'DB website if you want to know a

1879
01:37:22,653 --> 01:37:24,773
Speaker 3: bit more about Flavors of Plenty. We've got all the

1880
01:37:24,853 --> 01:37:27,373
Speaker 3: details for this year's festival there. Thank you very much, sir.

1881
01:37:27,373 --> 01:37:31,293
Speaker 3: We we'll catch again this time next Saturday before midday

1882
01:37:31,373 --> 01:37:33,933
Speaker 3: on News Talks. He'd be new music from Harry's Styles

1883
01:37:34,013 --> 01:37:38,053
Speaker 3: Kiss all the Time Disco occasionally is the name of

1884
01:37:38,093 --> 01:37:39,893
Speaker 3: the new album and he's gone in a different direction.

1885
01:37:39,973 --> 01:37:41,893
Speaker 3: He always tries to go in kind of a different direction.

1886
01:37:42,053 --> 01:37:44,573
Speaker 3: Harry styles, that's his thing, So we'll have a bit

1887
01:37:44,573 --> 01:37:46,013
Speaker 3: of a listen to that. Pick out a couple of

1888
01:37:46,053 --> 01:37:48,253
Speaker 3: songs and share those with you. We've got your book

1889
01:37:48,253 --> 01:37:51,573
Speaker 3: picks for this weekend coming up shortly as well. Right now,

1890
01:37:51,693 --> 01:37:53,893
Speaker 3: it is twenty nine past eleven.

1891
01:37:57,293 --> 01:38:01,173
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

1892
01:38:01,653 --> 01:38:02,453
Speaker 1: on News Talks.

1893
01:38:02,573 --> 01:38:31,253
Speaker 4: Edb damn Bam.

1894
01:38:31,413 --> 01:38:34,653
Speaker 3: This is Dancingrself Clean LCD sound System. Honestly one of

1895
01:38:34,693 --> 01:38:38,613
Speaker 3: my favorite bands ever. My favorite thing when I lived

1896
01:38:38,613 --> 01:38:40,773
Speaker 3: in New York. One my favorite thing, one of the

1897
01:38:40,813 --> 01:38:42,973
Speaker 3: many things I enjoyed doing when I lived in New

1898
01:38:43,053 --> 01:38:45,373
Speaker 3: York was that if I had been away and I

1899
01:38:45,453 --> 01:38:47,493
Speaker 3: flew back into the city, especially if I was coming

1900
01:38:47,493 --> 01:38:50,013
Speaker 3: from New Zealand, I would often the nature of the

1901
01:38:50,053 --> 01:38:52,653
Speaker 3: flight schedules meant that you often landed at like midnight

1902
01:38:52,893 --> 01:38:55,893
Speaker 3: at Newark Airport in New Jersey, and I used to

1903
01:38:55,933 --> 01:38:57,853
Speaker 3: love if I was flying at from New Zealand to

1904
01:38:57,893 --> 01:39:00,853
Speaker 3: New York, you get in at midnight, or maybe if

1905
01:39:00,853 --> 01:39:02,373
Speaker 3: the flight was a bit delayed to get in at

1906
01:39:02,373 --> 01:39:04,893
Speaker 3: one am and you'd be on the New Jersey Turnpike.

1907
01:39:04,933 --> 01:39:06,973
Speaker 3: You'd get in the car, you'd be driving back towards

1908
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Speaker 3: Manhattan and you'd see the whole of New York City,

1909
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Speaker 3: the whole styline lined up in East of Love, putting

1910
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Speaker 3: all the windows down and then putting LCD sound system

1911
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Speaker 3: on as loud as I could, and be like, yeah,

1912
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Speaker 3: New York anyway. The reason we're playing a bit of

1913
01:39:21,453 --> 01:39:24,133
Speaker 3: that is because that apparently is some of the inspiration

1914
01:39:24,213 --> 01:39:26,493
Speaker 3: for Harry Styles new album. So we'll see if we

1915
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Speaker 3: can compare that sound to his when we play you

1916
01:39:28,973 --> 01:39:32,413
Speaker 3: a couple of Harry tracks before midday. After midday, of course,

1917
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Speaker 3: Jason Pine is going to be on the hot seat

1918
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Speaker 3: for weekend Sport, and what a weekend of sport it is. Piney,

1919
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Speaker 3: you were focusing on the appointment of the All Backs coach.

1920
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Speaker 3: Kevin Milamu, who of course was part of that appointment panel,

1921
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Speaker 3: can be with you as your feature interview this afternoon.

1922
01:39:47,613 --> 01:39:49,333
Speaker 22: He is, indeed, Jack and a yeah, no, he's on

1923
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Speaker 22: after midday. You're right though about it being a busy

1924
01:39:51,453 --> 01:39:53,613
Speaker 22: sporting weekend. Lots of other things to cover off too,

1925
01:39:53,693 --> 01:39:56,293
Speaker 22: but yeah, without a doubt, the biggest sporting story of

1926
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Speaker 22: the week, and I guess we've had a bit of

1927
01:39:57,693 --> 01:40:02,413
Speaker 22: time to reflect now, to ruminate, to let the thoughts

1928
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Speaker 22: sort of you know, percolate in our minds and kite

1929
01:40:05,293 --> 01:40:07,733
Speaker 22: keen to hear people's thoughts on on Dave Rennie and

1930
01:40:08,013 --> 01:40:11,053
Speaker 22: his big decisions moving forward. But yeah, Kevin Milamu not

1931
01:40:11,133 --> 01:40:14,613
Speaker 22: only on the recruitment panel for Dave Rennie but also

1932
01:40:14,693 --> 01:40:17,933
Speaker 22: part of the review in twenty twenty five, So an

1933
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Speaker 22: intimate knowledge of what went on the last couple of years,

1934
01:40:21,573 --> 01:40:24,333
Speaker 22: the course of events that led to the change being made,

1935
01:40:24,373 --> 01:40:27,933
Speaker 22: and now of course the appointment of Dave Rennie. So yeah,

1936
01:40:27,933 --> 01:40:30,533
Speaker 22: looking forward to chatting to one of our great all blacks,

1937
01:40:30,893 --> 01:40:33,053
Speaker 22: one of our great rugby men, Kevin Milamu, about that

1938
01:40:33,133 --> 01:40:33,653
Speaker 22: after midday.

1939
01:40:33,733 --> 01:40:35,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be fantastic. So do you reckon Sam Ruth's

1940
01:40:35,813 --> 01:40:38,653
Speaker 3: going to win tonight? Well, no Sam Tanner anymore? Right,

1941
01:40:38,813 --> 01:40:41,653
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean Sam Tanna will be back. He's

1942
01:40:41,773 --> 01:40:44,973
Speaker 3: injured for tonight, right Yeah, yeah, yeah for tonight. Yeah,

1943
01:40:44,973 --> 01:40:46,933
Speaker 3: I don't mean that he's gone for gone for good.

1944
01:40:46,973 --> 01:40:49,213
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to scare people, but yeah, I think

1945
01:40:49,253 --> 01:40:50,973
Speaker 3: Sam Ruth will be okay, although I did read that

1946
01:40:50,973 --> 01:40:54,213
Speaker 3: he's been He's been building up quite a decent body

1947
01:40:54,213 --> 01:40:56,173
Speaker 3: of work in recent times. So if there's any thought

1948
01:40:56,213 --> 01:40:59,453
Speaker 3: that he might break another record tonight, maybe that might

1949
01:40:59,933 --> 01:41:02,493
Speaker 3: not happen. But then it's Sam Ruth, isn't it. So

1950
01:41:02,573 --> 01:41:05,573
Speaker 3: every time he hits the track, something special seems to happen.

1951
01:41:06,493 --> 01:41:08,133
Speaker 3: We have eyes on it a bit later on tonight

1952
01:41:08,213 --> 01:41:10,893
Speaker 3: it's yeah, the Track and Field Champs. It's good to

1953
01:41:10,893 --> 01:41:11,373
Speaker 3: have it back.

1954
01:41:11,293 --> 01:41:13,933
Speaker 22: On Free to Wear. And actually Tom watsh is on

1955
01:41:13,973 --> 01:41:16,413
Speaker 22: the show this afternoon as well. He's going for a

1956
01:41:16,533 --> 01:41:20,693
Speaker 22: fifteenth national shot put title. You know, Jack o'gill's there

1957
01:41:20,693 --> 01:41:23,413
Speaker 22: as well, so he's always kept honest, but I wonder

1958
01:41:23,453 --> 01:41:26,613
Speaker 22: after so many how he stays motivated for these things.

1959
01:41:26,613 --> 01:41:28,773
Speaker 22: You know, he's got his big Diamond League events, the

1960
01:41:28,813 --> 01:41:30,813
Speaker 22: Commonwealth Games this year at the Olympics in a couple

1961
01:41:30,893 --> 01:41:34,373
Speaker 22: of years. How does he get himself motivated for an

1962
01:41:34,373 --> 01:41:36,173
Speaker 22: event like this which is quite near the start of

1963
01:41:36,173 --> 01:41:38,853
Speaker 22: a season. Only a couple of events up till now.

1964
01:41:38,933 --> 01:41:41,213
Speaker 22: So looking forward to to chatting to Tom Walsh and

1965
01:41:41,293 --> 01:41:44,173
Speaker 22: Tanner boarders on the show as well. Out of the Warriors,

1966
01:41:44,173 --> 01:41:47,573
Speaker 22: what are performance last night against the Roosters to start

1967
01:41:47,613 --> 01:41:50,373
Speaker 22: their season? So yeah, maybe twenty twenty six on an

1968
01:41:50,373 --> 01:41:52,853
Speaker 22: o Jack, maybe it is yeah, our year, Yeah, who knows.

1969
01:41:52,933 --> 01:41:55,453
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm very good? All right, Yeah, well we'll see. Well,

1970
01:41:55,453 --> 01:41:59,613
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly in true Warriors style, they seem have

1971
01:41:59,893 --> 01:42:02,093
Speaker 3: swung from one extreme to the other if you have

1972
01:42:02,213 --> 01:42:04,933
Speaker 3: to compare their preseason games with that performance last night.

1973
01:42:05,013 --> 01:42:07,813
Speaker 3: But yeah, we see, Thanks so much. Looking forward to

1974
01:42:07,853 --> 01:42:10,453
Speaker 3: this afternoon. Jason Pine with us for weekend sport right

1975
01:42:10,493 --> 01:42:12,853
Speaker 3: after the midday news. Of course, it's F one weekend

1976
01:42:12,893 --> 01:42:15,493
Speaker 3: in Melbourne as well Round one for the twenty twenty

1977
01:42:15,493 --> 01:42:18,493
Speaker 3: six competition. So in a couple of minutes, our book reviewer,

1978
01:42:18,573 --> 01:42:21,533
Speaker 3: yes you heard it right, our book reviewer Katherine Rains,

1979
01:42:21,573 --> 01:42:24,173
Speaker 3: who's over in Melbourne for the F one, will give

1980
01:42:24,213 --> 01:42:27,813
Speaker 3: us her thoughts on the ground track side, as racing

1981
01:42:27,973 --> 01:42:28,573
Speaker 3: is set to.

1982
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Speaker 1: Begin Saturday morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on

1983
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

1984
01:42:35,893 --> 01:42:41,173
Speaker 3: EDB twelve on News Talks. He'd be Katherine Rains is

1985
01:42:41,213 --> 01:42:44,093
Speaker 3: our book reviewer. She's with us this morning. Good morning,

1986
01:42:44,653 --> 01:42:47,853
Speaker 3: Good morning Jack. How is our resident petrol head?

1987
01:42:48,773 --> 01:42:51,733
Speaker 23: Oh fantastic and Melbourne at the F one could not

1988
01:42:51,853 --> 01:42:52,493
Speaker 23: be any better.

1989
01:42:52,613 --> 01:42:55,013
Speaker 3: Ah, so exciting. So things kick off this afternoon, right,

1990
01:42:55,053 --> 01:42:58,133
Speaker 3: We've got qualifying. We've got another practice run this afternoon

1991
01:42:58,453 --> 01:43:00,693
Speaker 3: and then qualifying this evening. I think is six o'clock

1992
01:43:00,693 --> 01:43:02,613
Speaker 3: New Zealand time at four o'clock your time.

1993
01:43:02,973 --> 01:43:05,613
Speaker 23: That's correct. So yeah, watched FP one and I f

1994
01:43:05,613 --> 01:43:10,693
Speaker 23: Peter yesterday which was great. Yeah, it's just it's awesome.

1995
01:43:10,733 --> 01:43:15,053
Speaker 23: But the atmosphere is fantastic. This is always the cars everything.

1996
01:43:15,173 --> 01:43:16,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is your first time you've been to

1997
01:43:16,933 --> 01:43:19,813
Speaker 3: any f one weekend day. You're a massive, massive Motorabale fan.

1998
01:43:19,853 --> 01:43:22,013
Speaker 3: Your first time on any one weekend. So what surprised

1999
01:43:22,053 --> 01:43:24,253
Speaker 3: you about it? What? What hadn't you anticipated?

2000
01:43:25,333 --> 01:43:28,613
Speaker 23: I don't think i'd quite anticipated how like large the

2001
01:43:28,653 --> 01:43:31,773
Speaker 23: track was. I knew it was, but just yeah, just

2002
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:34,013
Speaker 23: and what's going on around it as well, like the

2003
01:43:34,053 --> 01:43:36,973
Speaker 23: atmosphere around it, and what's going on in Melbourne. Like

2004
01:43:37,013 --> 01:43:39,973
Speaker 23: I've you know, I saw Little Hamilton and I've seen

2005
01:43:40,013 --> 01:43:42,573
Speaker 23: Felfry boats. I've seen Max for stepping and I've blog

2006
01:43:42,693 --> 01:43:48,013
Speaker 23: off the track. So a couple of them white complete accident.

2007
01:43:47,773 --> 01:43:53,013
Speaker 3: So amazing. Yeah, what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, so what

2008
01:43:53,093 --> 01:43:55,133
Speaker 3: about the sound, Because you've got new cars this year, right,

2009
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:57,053
Speaker 3: and they've got this sort of they're almost like Hybrid's ay,

2010
01:43:57,053 --> 01:43:59,693
Speaker 3: they've got the they've got the normal motive, but they've

2011
01:43:59,693 --> 01:44:01,733
Speaker 3: also got a kind of battery thing inside them. So

2012
01:44:02,093 --> 01:44:03,733
Speaker 3: what is the sound of the cars like? Is it

2013
01:44:03,773 --> 01:44:04,653
Speaker 3: what you anticipated?

2014
01:44:05,333 --> 01:44:09,293
Speaker 23: No, I think it's less and general kind of when

2015
01:44:09,373 --> 01:44:11,493
Speaker 23: chatting to people around the track, the general thought is

2016
01:44:11,533 --> 01:44:13,893
Speaker 23: that but it's still loud, don't get me wrong, but

2017
01:44:13,973 --> 01:44:15,773
Speaker 23: the general thought is that it's definitely quieter.

2018
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

2019
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Speaker 3: And are people happy about that or a bit miffed?

2020
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Speaker 23: No, No one seems particularly bothered. I mean f P

2021
01:44:21,013 --> 01:44:23,293
Speaker 23: one was interesting because they were obviously all out testing

2022
01:44:23,293 --> 01:44:25,173
Speaker 23: the cars and you know, trying to work out how

2023
01:44:25,213 --> 01:44:27,053
Speaker 23: well it was going, and it was a bit. If

2024
01:44:27,093 --> 01:44:28,533
Speaker 23: we're P one they were pretty quiet.

2025
01:44:28,613 --> 01:44:28,813
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2026
01:44:28,893 --> 01:44:31,333
Speaker 23: If P two they just absolutely took off.

2027
01:44:31,373 --> 01:44:31,973
Speaker 3: They gunned it.

2028
01:44:32,333 --> 01:44:34,533
Speaker 23: Yeah, certainly wouldn't want to be Aston Martin, that's for sure.

2029
01:44:34,573 --> 01:44:37,493
Speaker 23: I think that's probably pretty stressful few days for them.

2030
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

2031
01:44:38,813 --> 01:44:41,613
Speaker 23: You know, Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren, they're all up there as

2032
01:44:41,613 --> 01:44:42,293
Speaker 23: you would expect.

2033
01:44:42,453 --> 01:44:44,573
Speaker 3: Very good. Oh look, I'm going to be thinking of

2034
01:44:44,613 --> 01:44:47,173
Speaker 3: you all throughout the weekend, and I'm sure you're not

2035
01:44:47,173 --> 01:44:48,893
Speaker 3: going to have a whole lot of downtime. But if

2036
01:44:48,933 --> 01:44:51,053
Speaker 3: you did and you were looking for something good to read,

2037
01:44:51,293 --> 01:44:53,613
Speaker 3: well good news, as you've got two recommendations that you'd share.

2038
01:44:53,773 --> 01:44:57,333
Speaker 3: So let's begin this morning with Witch Trail by Harriet Tye.

2039
01:44:58,093 --> 01:45:00,413
Speaker 23: So this story is told from the perspective of a

2040
01:45:00,453 --> 01:45:03,533
Speaker 23: guy called Matthew Phillips, and he's a heart surgeon and

2041
01:45:03,573 --> 01:45:06,093
Speaker 23: he's been called for jury service and despite the fact

2042
01:45:06,133 --> 01:45:07,933
Speaker 23: that could have been excused due to the nature of

2043
01:45:07,973 --> 01:45:10,213
Speaker 23: his job, he decides that he's going to perform his

2044
01:45:10,253 --> 01:45:13,973
Speaker 23: civic duty, not for a you know, he's not because

2045
01:45:13,973 --> 01:45:15,893
Speaker 23: he really feels he has to, but actually because he's

2046
01:45:15,933 --> 01:45:18,613
Speaker 23: trying to escape issues in his work in personal life.

2047
01:45:19,453 --> 01:45:21,773
Speaker 23: And it's not as easy as what he thinks when

2048
01:45:21,773 --> 01:45:23,973
Speaker 23: he discovers that he's actually part of this jury for

2049
01:45:24,053 --> 01:45:26,373
Speaker 23: two girls who are on trial for more murdering their

2050
01:45:26,373 --> 01:45:29,533
Speaker 23: school friend. And the two girls called Eliza Lawson and

2051
01:45:29,653 --> 01:45:33,213
Speaker 23: Elizabeth Smith, and they're accused of murdering and bullying this

2052
01:45:33,333 --> 01:45:36,093
Speaker 23: eighteen year old girl called Christian Shaw whose body was

2053
01:45:36,133 --> 01:45:39,253
Speaker 23: found in Edinburgh Park And to add into the mix,

2054
01:45:39,453 --> 01:45:42,493
Speaker 23: they decide to claim to be witches. And Matthew at

2055
01:45:42,493 --> 01:45:45,693
Speaker 23: this point is starting to recreate his choices and life

2056
01:45:45,773 --> 01:45:48,653
Speaker 23: is beginning to unravel in ways that you wouldn't expect.

2057
01:45:49,093 --> 01:45:51,693
Speaker 23: And Tis the author takes you into the inner workings

2058
01:45:51,733 --> 01:45:54,893
Speaker 23: of the Scotland jury system and the antics that have

2059
01:45:54,933 --> 01:45:59,733
Speaker 23: gone on in this particular jury room, and Matthew's mindset

2060
01:45:59,773 --> 01:46:02,373
Speaker 23: is really odd, and the jury are not above twisting

2061
01:46:02,413 --> 01:46:05,293
Speaker 23: the rules, and the jury members and the lawyers and

2062
01:46:05,373 --> 01:46:08,533
Speaker 23: evidence and the girls are under complete scrutiny with these

2063
01:46:08,613 --> 01:46:12,333
Speaker 23: changing perspectives and kind of a hysteria that's growing around

2064
01:46:12,333 --> 01:46:15,693
Speaker 23: this case and the trial and public sentiment labels the

2065
01:46:15,813 --> 01:46:17,933
Speaker 23: young woman, depending on what side you're on, as either

2066
01:46:17,973 --> 01:46:20,813
Speaker 23: a victim or a villain. And social media and the

2067
01:46:20,853 --> 01:46:24,093
Speaker 23: fair and that blurring of boundaries of what's real and

2068
01:46:24,093 --> 01:46:27,253
Speaker 23: his box has this really tense, tense atmosphere and lots

2069
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:30,613
Speaker 23: of layers and it's actually really quite unsettling. But it's

2070
01:46:30,653 --> 01:46:34,613
Speaker 23: a really interesting look at what constitutes truth and judgment.

2071
01:46:34,813 --> 01:46:37,293
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, this sounds really intriguing. So that's Witch Trail

2072
01:46:37,493 --> 01:46:40,013
Speaker 3: by Harriet Tice. You've also read The hard Line by

2073
01:46:40,053 --> 01:46:42,093
Speaker 3: Mark Greeney, so.

2074
01:46:42,093 --> 01:46:44,853
Speaker 23: This is You've got lots of action and danger and

2075
01:46:45,293 --> 01:46:49,053
Speaker 23: death in this and it centers on international intrigue in

2076
01:46:49,093 --> 01:46:51,813
Speaker 23: the US intelligent community. And the main character is a

2077
01:46:51,813 --> 01:46:55,573
Speaker 23: guy called Court Gentry, and he's a former CIA Parliament,

2078
01:46:55,733 --> 01:47:00,733
Speaker 23: Parliament Palamilitary operations officer, and he's quite perceptive and he's able.

2079
01:47:00,773 --> 01:47:02,173
Speaker 23: He's one of those guys that can sort of sum

2080
01:47:02,293 --> 01:47:05,493
Speaker 23: up a situation pretty quickly. And his former boss, a

2081
01:47:05,493 --> 01:47:08,973
Speaker 23: guy called Harle Hangley, has been commissioned by the Director

2082
01:47:08,973 --> 01:47:12,813
Speaker 23: of Intelligence and Operations to set up this undercover intelligence

2083
01:47:12,813 --> 01:47:15,853
Speaker 23: group to grapple with who in the US government has

2084
01:47:15,893 --> 01:47:19,693
Speaker 23: been leaking secrets to the Chinese and Russians. And so

2085
01:47:19,813 --> 01:47:24,013
Speaker 23: Hanley sends Gentry down to Nicoagua to reserve to rescue

2086
01:47:24,013 --> 01:47:28,133
Speaker 23: this intelligent ast who's in danger, and what follows next

2087
01:47:28,253 --> 01:47:31,853
Speaker 23: just goes horribly wrong, and he encounters these two Chinese

2088
01:47:31,973 --> 01:47:35,733
Speaker 23: nationalists and he's lucky to escape with his life along

2089
01:47:35,733 --> 01:47:38,853
Speaker 23: with the asset. And then kind of back in the US,

2090
01:47:38,933 --> 01:47:42,133
Speaker 23: there's this guy called James Westwood who's determined to be

2091
01:47:42,173 --> 01:47:45,053
Speaker 23: elected a senator from New Hampshire and has this great

2092
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:47,773
Speaker 23: ambition to become president and to achieve his goal, he's

2093
01:47:47,813 --> 01:47:51,133
Speaker 23: done a deal with the Chinese in exchange for intelligence

2094
01:47:51,493 --> 01:47:54,653
Speaker 23: that the Chinese want so much more on return and

2095
01:47:54,693 --> 01:47:57,573
Speaker 23: it sets off the series events and so there's multiple

2096
01:47:57,613 --> 01:48:01,933
Speaker 23: plots criss crossing. There's lots of action and intrigue. And

2097
01:48:01,973 --> 01:48:04,853
Speaker 23: the author Greenya is a great storyteller and it's with

2098
01:48:04,933 --> 01:48:06,733
Speaker 23: interesting characters of action.

2099
01:48:07,013 --> 01:48:09,813
Speaker 3: Oh so good, all right, this sounds this sounds fantastic.

2100
01:48:09,813 --> 01:48:10,093
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2101
01:48:10,133 --> 01:48:12,133
Speaker 3: So that's The hard Line by Mark Greeney. Your first

2102
01:48:12,173 --> 01:48:14,333
Speaker 3: book is Witch Trailed by Harriet Tyres. Both of those

2103
01:48:14,373 --> 01:48:15,853
Speaker 3: will be on the website. Of course. You have an

2104
01:48:15,893 --> 01:48:19,053
Speaker 3: amazing weekend, Catherine. I'm going to be scouring the TV coverage.

2105
01:48:19,133 --> 01:48:20,613
Speaker 3: I'm going to be looking at there the whole timing.

2106
01:48:21,493 --> 01:48:23,213
Speaker 3: I'll be looking at this Lewis Hamilton on the left,

2107
01:48:23,213 --> 01:48:25,773
Speaker 3: this Toto Wolf over there. Okay you ah, there's this

2108
01:48:25,813 --> 01:48:28,293
Speaker 3: step and stepping in. Maybe Liam Lawson's passing through fro

2109
01:48:28,413 --> 01:48:30,093
Speaker 3: there's Katherin, there's Catherine.

2110
01:48:31,373 --> 01:48:31,613
Speaker 10: Only.

2111
01:48:31,893 --> 01:48:32,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2112
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Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, have an amazing time. Can't wait to hear

2113
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Speaker 3: about a day.

2114
01:48:35,813 --> 01:48:39,093
Speaker 1: Thank you giving you the inside scoop on all you

2115
01:48:39,173 --> 01:48:42,653
Speaker 1: need to know this Saturday Morning with Jack Team News

2116
01:48:42,733 --> 01:48:43,133
Speaker 1: talks it.

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Speaker 12: Me j.

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Speaker 8: Friend.

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01:49:03,693 --> 01:49:08,213
Speaker 3: That's Harry Styles. The song is called American Girls. He's

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Speaker 3: got a brand new album called Kiss all the time

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Speaker 3: disco occasionally, which is a confusing title. As I've said

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Speaker 3: on multiple occasions, This morning, Chris Schultz has been listening

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Speaker 3: to the album and as well as this morning, Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 17: Go to Jack.

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Speaker 19: You're right, I don't like that title either.

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Speaker 3: What's the deal with the title?

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Speaker 8: Do we know?

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Speaker 19: It probably relates to the album cover? Right, He's got

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Speaker 19: to disco ball on there. This this is an album

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Speaker 19: that has its roots in that kind of like New

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Speaker 19: York early two thousands club scene. You could hear it

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Speaker 19: in that song. There's a bit of a thump to it.

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Speaker 19: So he wants this to be experienced on a dance floor. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: he's a man of refined tastes. Howry starts. You know,

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Speaker 19: he's not a man who I think who would walk

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Speaker 19: into a coffee shop and order a double shot late.

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Speaker 19: He's probably getting like a chumric later something like that.

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Speaker 19: You see him in the widely pants and the button

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Speaker 19: down cardigan's of therapy chic. I saw someone describe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good term. Yeah, Hey, I mean he's

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Speaker 3: definitely he He looks like he's always kind of determined

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Speaker 3: to be thought of as an artist. Yeah, like he's

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Speaker 3: not just kind of going like pop pit pop up

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Speaker 3: pop pit popit all the time totally, and he puts

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Speaker 3: a lot of thought into his kind of presentation in

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Speaker 3: every sense. But yeah, I mean I was interested when

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Speaker 3: I heard that he'd kind of been listening to LCD

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Speaker 3: sound System and he've been going to a couple of

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Speaker 3: their shows and was seeking that iss inspiration. I thought, oh,

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Speaker 3: this could be a bit of me.

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Speaker 19: It is too like he's he has done what he

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Speaker 19: set out to do, which he's made this kind of

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Speaker 19: soft you know, an album full of soft bangers. It

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01:50:43,613 --> 01:50:45,213
Speaker 19: is a front to back listen. You do want to

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01:50:45,253 --> 01:50:48,613
Speaker 19: hear it in full. It's an album experience. I think

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Speaker 19: where the criticism comes in is that he hasn't leaned

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Speaker 19: into it far enough. He hasn't fully immersed himself into

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Speaker 19: that club space almost. I feel like you can't help

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Speaker 19: but compare this to Bruno Mars album from last week right,

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Speaker 19: where's it's so much honoring what's been, and Bruno Mars

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Speaker 19: is sort of seventy pop, the Jackson five, that kind

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Speaker 19: of thing that it almost becomes pistigious, doesn't add enough

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01:51:11,853 --> 01:51:15,413
Speaker 19: new things to it to forge its own identity, and

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Speaker 19: that's certainly the case with this Harry Styles album. There

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Speaker 19: are some big songs on here. American Girl is the

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Speaker 19: one everyone's listening to right now, I love Aperture. The

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Speaker 19: first single Pop has these beautiful horns in it, and

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Speaker 19: there are some choruses in here that would sound amazing

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Speaker 19: at one of those thirty Madison Square Gardens shows he's doing, yeah,

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Speaker 19: or if you're traveling to Australia, which you'll have to

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Speaker 19: do to see him over here. But there's also moments

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Speaker 19: where his voice just doesn't quite fit. Especially on some

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01:51:41,413 --> 01:51:43,933
Speaker 19: of the verses. It just sounds a little awkward. It's

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Speaker 19: still spoken word, almost like James Murphy does what else

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Speaker 19: he sees sound system. There are these spoken word bits

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01:51:50,973 --> 01:51:54,253
Speaker 19: and so it just doesn't quite go far enough to

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Speaker 19: make it original and new and special the whole way through.

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Speaker 19: But there are definitely moments here where this does connect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad there are some moments. And it's funny

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Speaker 3: you say that about the voice not quite fitting, because

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Speaker 3: that's what he said as well. So she listened to

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Speaker 3: it and she was like, oh, it's just like it's

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01:52:09,773 --> 01:52:11,653
Speaker 3: like he's got a good voice, just like his voice

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Speaker 3: isn't quite right. For it or something.

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Speaker 19: It's that you know, we've spoken about these artists like

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Speaker 19: Lord and Lily Allen who are diving into their personal

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01:52:18,133 --> 01:52:21,413
Speaker 19: lives and being super raw, and these songs feel more

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01:52:21,453 --> 01:52:23,733
Speaker 19: like their stories. About his friends. He mentions a lot

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Speaker 19: of names American girls, that the hookahs all my friends

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Speaker 19: are falling for American girls. Yeah, it's not about him, right,

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Speaker 19: And so I don't feel like I get to know

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Speaker 19: Harry Styles sure any better with.

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Speaker 3: This album than not the kind of vulnerability that you

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Speaker 3: might expect. Yeah, yeah, And I mean he does, like

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01:52:40,293 --> 01:52:43,493
Speaker 3: really noticeably kind of shift the sound between his albums,

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Speaker 3: like he's quite purposeful in doing that. But I wonder

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Speaker 3: is there He's probably beyond this being concern, but is

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Speaker 3: there a risk that he kind of ends up, you know,

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Speaker 3: isolating some of his fans or something or not. He's

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Speaker 3: too He shows at Madison Square Garden Jake that.

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Speaker 19: He didn't even have the album out when he did that.

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Speaker 19: He sold them all out. I read the story the

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01:53:02,573 --> 01:53:05,013
Speaker 19: other day. Yeah, I read a story about people are

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01:53:05,053 --> 01:53:07,373
Speaker 19: wrenching out their couches for hundred dollars a night for

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01:53:07,453 --> 01:53:10,773
Speaker 19: fans who are coming to see those shows. Like that's

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Speaker 19: how big he is. When you've got these six he's

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Speaker 19: written six of the biggest pop songs in the last

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Speaker 19: ten years. They're just you bitquitous, and when you've got those,

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Speaker 19: you can it doesn't matter if new album connects or not.

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Speaker 19: You can build a stadium show around. I would love

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Speaker 19: to see how we work these songs into the mix.

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Speaker 19: By the way, I think some of them would really

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Speaker 19: connect in a stadium, super loud around fans who are

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Speaker 19: like all dancing and singing along. Yeah, we won't get

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Speaker 19: that chance, unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, we won't unfortunately. Okay, So what'd

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Speaker 3: you give it?

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Speaker 19: I give it three and a half starts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Yeah that's a lad seven out of

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Speaker 3: ten if you prefer that way, all right for kiss

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Speaker 3: all the time? Just go occasionally by Harry Styles. So

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Speaker 3: we listened to a bit of Aperture before we listen

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Speaker 3: to American girls will pick out pop. Maybe haven a

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Speaker 3: bit of listen to that one in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Chris. You've recovered from electric air. No, no,

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Speaker 3: not at all. It's good to honestly believing to hear

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Speaker 3: you say that. Given the number of shows you go

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Speaker 3: that maybe you do need a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: rest a week break.

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Speaker 19: I'm going to just lie on the couch and watch

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Speaker 19: some TV.

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Speaker 3: Good I'm pleased to hear it. Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: You can hear more from Chris of course on his

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Speaker 3: substeck boiler Room. Bit more Harry Styles in a couple

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Speaker 3: with Harry Styles. His new album is kiss All the

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Speaker 3: time disco occasionally and this song is called pop.

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Speaker 20: O Kats Waiting to be of games.

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Speaker 12: They say you.

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Speaker 20: First time tasting. It's nice touings to play together together.

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Speaker 12: It's just me on my head.

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