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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the story Boris Johnson. I had

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Speaker 1: the best time with him yesterday. I hooked up with

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Speaker 1: him yesterday morning. He's coming next month for a lunch,

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Speaker 1: and I tell you about that for a moment and

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Speaker 1: the full interview, and you can just meet the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It had an era of kind of chaos about it,

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Speaker 1: hints as Boris anyway, by way of a preview, this

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Speaker 1: gives you an indication. I just at the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: I said, look, look, Boris, can you can you like

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Speaker 1: give us just thirty seconds on the UK budget.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we left the Conservatives is basically god

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Speaker 2: infation under control. When I was plannised two years ago,

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Speaker 2: now more than two years ago, we beat COVID. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we had a huge problem with the cost of furlough

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Speaker 2: and we spent a huge amount of fighting Kevid. But

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Speaker 2: it is insane at a time when the UK state

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Speaker 2: has already expanded so massively to be putting up taxes

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Speaker 2: in this way with no form to the public sector

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Speaker 2: and no reform to white Torby. They scrapped a plan

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Speaker 2: of ours to cut sixty six thousand jobs from government.

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Speaker 2: Government has ballooned, and you know, business is being habit.

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Speaker 2: I just got a message from a children's clothing business.

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Speaker 2: It's being hammered by these tatses on employment. It will

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Speaker 2: crush enterprise. It's totally the wrong way for the country.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I shouldn't be saying that I should be,

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Speaker 2: because I should be extolling the virtues of my country,

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Speaker 2: which I do. I believe profoundly in my country. But

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Speaker 2: this guy's Starmer and his left wing crew, they're going

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Speaker 2: in the wrong direction and I'm very, very sad about it.

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Speaker 1: Are they doing what you thought they would do? Or

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Speaker 1: has the British public belhoodwinked by this?

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Speaker 2: Right? It's worse because I honestly thought I thought there

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Speaker 2: was a chance that he would be another Tony player,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he had people like Mandolsson around him

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Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. But he's way to

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Speaker 2: the left of the player and he's doing stuff. You know,

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Speaker 2: the I mean tax rates, well, I'm ashamed to say

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Speaker 2: we're higher under the Tories than they were under Tony Bird.

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Speaker 2: The income tax rate for top earners was higher, and

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Speaker 2: that was I was going to cut it if i'd

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Speaker 2: if I'd been allowed to hang on. This is absolutely

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Speaker 2: great mistake by my party because we you know what

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Speaker 2: makes me, what drives me nuts about this, and I

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Speaker 2: will be covering this in the Unleashed Tour, the DUCO event.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I was kicked out by my poor

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Speaker 2: you know, nighted colleagues in July of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: whatever the hell it was, we were only a couple

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Speaker 2: of points behind right and this reform, these reform guys,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the Farage guys, they were

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Speaker 2: on zero. Okay, they then murdered us in the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four election. But when I was in charge, but

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Speaker 2: they were on zero, we would not have had this

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Speaker 2: starmer nightmare if we'd if we'd start to plan. And

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Speaker 2: I'm very very sad about and I'm frothing frankly about

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Speaker 2: the because it's it's going to take a long time

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Speaker 2: to get them out. You know, we have to wait

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Speaker 2: at least five years, and they're there. They're gaining the

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Speaker 2: wrong direction now the UK, the UK look at we

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Speaker 2: need to look at the United States. Compare the growth

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Speaker 2: rates over the last fifteen years since the crash in

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Speaker 2: the US and the EU. It's it's shattering. The EU

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Speaker 2: is basically flat. The US goes up to forty five degrees.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen years ago, the EU and the US were both

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Speaker 2: worth about fourteen and a half trillion dollars right internal GDP.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen years later today that the EU is worth about

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Speaker 2: it's gone up about a trilli. It's about fifteen trillion dollars.

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Speaker 2: The US it is twenty six trillion dollars, okay, And

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Speaker 2: it's got a far smaller population, far smaller population, but

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Speaker 2: it innovates, it rewards enterprise, it has a lot of

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Speaker 2: tax environment, it's in favor of growth. It tries to

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Speaker 2: fix energy problems, and you know both New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: the UK suffer from from those from the exorbitant costs

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Speaker 2: of energy. But there's a there's a there's a different

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a we need to have a more

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Speaker 2: can do approach in our country. And it's not giving

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Speaker 2: you far more than thirty seconds. But I'm pretty I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty worked up about it right now. We were going

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Speaker 2: in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 1: So that was me and Boris yesterday with just basically

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Speaker 1: the opening question. We got on to other matters of course,

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Speaker 1: the US election obviously, and so he will be with

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Speaker 1: us on Tuesday on the program in full flight and

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Speaker 1: it's an interview. I can assure you that it's well

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Speaker 1: worth listening to the book Unleash. By the way, he's

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Speaker 1: coming to the country, as he mentioned with Duco the

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Speaker 1: Duco events. It's the Capital Long Lunch with Boris Johnson Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: December three. By the way, if you're interested in the

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Speaker 1: Christmas Prison for somebody, it's between twelve thirty and four

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Speaker 1: lengthy old lunch. Mind you, it was a lengthy old interview.

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Speaker 1: I mean of his lunch is a long interview. We

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Speaker 1: ever come to an end. It's at the courts in Auckland. Anyway.

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