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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. The only place for the big names,

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Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies, and the big conversations.

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Speaker 1: It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your

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Speaker 1: home of Sport News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Kianna, good afternoon. Welcome in to the Saturday edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. May seventeen, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: Boxing legend Sugar Ray Leonard. Happy birthday to my mum.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine. Show producers Andy McDonald. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk sport with you until three. Friday night Super Rugby highlights.

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Speaker 2: The Hurricanes got there just against the Highlanders driving.

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Speaker 1: There was the.

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Speaker 3: Goalpost pass not with on the left get run.

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Speaker 1: Over the thront.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather they're working for the try five and I

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Speaker 2: have scored.

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Speaker 4: I reckon under my post.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Cam Roygard scoring the decisive try right at the end.

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Speaker 2: He's with us this afternoon to unpack that game, and

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Speaker 2: he's in a not insignificant part of it. I was

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Speaker 2: going to say his insignificant part of it. That would

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Speaker 2: have been completely the wrong phrase. Did you notice also,

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Speaker 2: Cam royguard played the entire eighty minutes. A triumph for

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Speaker 2: common sense. You don't have to take blokes off. The

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Speaker 2: Crusader's back into the top two be in the Waratar's

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Speaker 2: forty eight thirty three. Congratulations to Severu Reese, Super Rugby's

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Speaker 2: all time joint leading try scorer.

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Speaker 6: Now Ray Harder he gets pave the first tackle straight

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Speaker 6: through a gap.

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Speaker 4: Reese on his left hands shoulder at seven race.

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Speaker 7: He's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: All the way?

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Speaker 2: Is he the wiger?

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Speaker 6: He does seven rece.

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Speaker 2: His sixty fifth Super Rugby try last night, drawing him

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Speaker 2: level with TJ Pettanatta. You'd have to think Severa Reese

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Speaker 2: will take that record all to himself over the next

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Speaker 2: couple of games. Big Game tonight, Massive Game at Albany

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Speaker 2: Mawana Pacific are hosting the Blues. The winner takes a

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Speaker 2: big step towards the top. The loser makes things very

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Speaker 2: difficult for themselves. A couple of issues I want to

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Speaker 2: kick around with you today, both the rounds, access in

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Speaker 2: different forms, access to top level sport for the average family,

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Speaker 2: ticket prices and such like, and access to sport for kids.

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Speaker 2: This off the back of the story this week that

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Speaker 2: a nine year old boy from Auckland has been told

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Speaker 2: because he's too heavy. He's over the weight limit. Really

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Speaker 2: keen to to these over with you over the next

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Speaker 2: couple of hours. Other matters around today, Ryan Fox Man

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Speaker 2: he's on a tear. His excellent recent form has continued

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Speaker 2: at the PGA Championship. He's followed up his first round

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Speaker 2: sixty seven with an even past second round. He's four

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Speaker 2: under for the tournament and a tie for seventh, just

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Speaker 2: four shots off the lead held by Venezuela and Jonathan Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Going to cover off Ryan Fox's excellent couple of rounds

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Speaker 2: here and also how much his success at Myrtle Beach

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Speaker 2: a week ago has played into it with former pro

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Speaker 2: Phil tartod Angy later on this afternoon. FA Cup Final

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, Manchester City against Crystal Palace Wembley Stadium. Former

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen ninety FA Cup final against Manchester United.

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Speaker 2: John Silaco with US to reminisce of it after two

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock with Australian Sporting matters this afternoon as well

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Speaker 2: but a live sport while we're on the air, including

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Speaker 2: our top men's squash player Paul Cole. He's into the

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Speaker 2: semifinals of the World Champs in Chicago. In about an

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Speaker 2: hour or so from now, he'll take to the court

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Speaker 2: to take on Will Staffer asal in the Semis and

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Speaker 2: the NBA Semifinals. Game six in this intriguing Eastern Conference

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Speaker 2: series between the Boston Celtics and the New York Knicks

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Speaker 2: has just started at Madison Square Garden, or will very shortly.

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Speaker 2: The Knicks can make the Conference finals with a win.

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Speaker 2: They lead three to two. It's the best of seven.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the Indiana Pacers are already into the Eastern

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Speaker 2: Conference Finals. Please join us across the afternoon if you

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vye Call eight News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Some very interesting conversation this week about the price of

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Speaker 2: attending All Blacks test matches. Gregor Paul wrote an article

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Speaker 2: know ticket revenue is a vital part of any professional

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Speaker 2: sports business, but how do balance income with accessibility to

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Speaker 2: ensure the long term health of your sport. At what

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Speaker 2: point does the average fan and the average family become

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Speaker 2: One of our foremost sports promoters is Dean Lonigan who

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Speaker 2: joins us now. Dean, thanks for taking the time for

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Speaker 2: a chat on the show this afternoon. Just make sure

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Speaker 2: There by getting my fat is all in the right places.

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Speaker 2: How important Dean is watching live sport going along to

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Speaker 8: Finishing thridly important. But you also don't have their free

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Speaker 8: Used to love going to watch them, and every now

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Speaker 2: So you've landed on a really interesting point there, Diana,

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Speaker 8: They've tried to keep all their best players at home

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Speaker 8: If you could remove thirty, forty or fifty million dollars

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Speaker 8: And before people jump up and down and say you

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Speaker 8: I don't know what a fascination is with keeping the

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Speaker 8: to think for the New Zealand peso, which is actually

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Speaker 8: not very well regarded. It's nationally when you compare it

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Speaker 8: big decisions because they can't sustain these losses. I think

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Speaker 8: already out of the two hundred and twenty million dollars

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Speaker 8: a silver late put in the New Zealand Rugby Union

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Speaker 8: reserves already down to one hundred and seventy million. You

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Speaker 9: But they're still going backwards. And here's where I could

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Speaker 9: Together, we're going to come here.

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Speaker 8: We've got something like twenty five thousand registered Uzella rugby

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Speaker 9: Hundred million in the bank. Didn't they land up with

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Speaker 12: Then what do you do?

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Speaker 8: So you've got to address this stuff early. And the

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Speaker 2: Dean, I can tell you we're going to open the

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Speaker 2: That's Dean Lonigan. Plenty to unpack there, oh eight one

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Speaker 2: And yes, I totally take on board what Dean said

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Speaker 2: B twelve thirty on News Talks here B Mike says

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Speaker 2: Dean A. Lonegan is spot on. He's nailing it. Diana's

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Speaker 10: lot of us the points he made. I mean, Ragny,

435
00:21:44,987 --> 00:21:48,067
Speaker 10: we're in professional three years ago, didn't it like? But

436
00:21:48,707 --> 00:21:51,227
Speaker 10: it's changed a lot from what it was. And you know,

437
00:21:51,267 --> 00:21:54,547
Speaker 10: the Ins of Year is not another charity. They're not

438
00:21:54,587 --> 00:21:58,347
Speaker 10: a community organization. They're They're a business, aren't they. Yes,

439
00:21:58,667 --> 00:22:00,467
Speaker 10: they can't run your business like this is. You know,

440
00:22:00,547 --> 00:22:04,147
Speaker 10: we're all going to be stuffed. I mean, I like

441
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Speaker 10: that you said. You know, we all grow out watching

442
00:22:06,387 --> 00:22:09,467
Speaker 10: our heroes and you know, love the game because of that,

443
00:22:10,027 --> 00:22:12,067
Speaker 10: But we love them as well because they were winning.

444
00:22:12,187 --> 00:22:13,467
Speaker 10: That's why they became our heroes.

445
00:22:13,627 --> 00:22:14,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

446
00:22:14,347 --> 00:22:16,227
Speaker 10: We don't keep up. If we don't keep up with

447
00:22:16,307 --> 00:22:19,627
Speaker 10: not teting in the modern era, and you know, we

448
00:22:19,627 --> 00:22:22,587
Speaker 10: we start underperforming works to be fear over the last

449
00:22:23,387 --> 00:22:27,547
Speaker 10: five years we probably have suddenly they're not going to

450
00:22:27,547 --> 00:22:29,947
Speaker 10: be good heroes as much are there We're not you

451
00:22:29,987 --> 00:22:32,707
Speaker 10: know this this winning, this great team with this aura

452
00:22:32,827 --> 00:22:35,427
Speaker 10: and that you know, and and we we will have

453
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Speaker 10: to sort of move with the times and to stay

454
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Speaker 10: a dominant team.

455
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Speaker 2: That's a very very good point that I hadn't even

456
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Speaker 2: thought of. So, yeah, you're right. I mean I sort

457
00:22:46,227 --> 00:22:47,707
Speaker 2: of forged my love for the All Blacks in the

458
00:22:47,747 --> 00:22:49,947
Speaker 2: eighties and we were well back into the eighties we

459
00:22:49,947 --> 00:22:53,107
Speaker 2: were just about unbeatable and and you know, and yeah,

460
00:22:53,147 --> 00:22:55,027
Speaker 2: in the years since, I've obviously you know that that

461
00:22:55,067 --> 00:22:58,027
Speaker 2: attachment was permanent. You know, no way I can jump

462
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Speaker 2: off now, as I'm sure you can't to the teams

463
00:23:00,347 --> 00:23:03,667
Speaker 2: that you have supported for a long time. I wonder

464
00:23:03,707 --> 00:23:05,667
Speaker 2: then you know about that? Then you do you start

465
00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:08,507
Speaker 2: to think this, okay, is the most important thing here

466
00:23:08,827 --> 00:23:10,987
Speaker 2: that the All Blacks win every Test match? And if

467
00:23:11,027 --> 00:23:14,227
Speaker 2: that is the most important thing, then you know, how

468
00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:15,227
Speaker 2: do we make that happen?

469
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Speaker 12: You know?

470
00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:18,827
Speaker 2: What was what extra resource do we throw in? Do

471
00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:21,547
Speaker 2: we say to Scott Robertson or whoever the coaches pick

472
00:23:21,587 --> 00:23:23,667
Speaker 2: whoever you like. Pick Richie Mornger. If you think he's

473
00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:25,547
Speaker 2: going to win you this test match, bring him home.

474
00:23:25,787 --> 00:23:27,947
Speaker 2: So you know, there's all the there's all the collateral

475
00:23:28,027 --> 00:23:31,147
Speaker 2: damage from outside of those discussions. If everything points to

476
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Speaker 2: an All Blacks one look, you and I would love

477
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Speaker 2: to see the All Blacks win every week, but we

478
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Speaker 2: know that it's a bit of a deeper discussion than that.

479
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Speaker 10: I mean, like Dant, they made the point. You know,

480
00:23:39,947 --> 00:23:42,147
Speaker 10: the All Blacks they go overseas. You bring these other

481
00:23:42,187 --> 00:23:44,907
Speaker 10: guys up through the through the Super Rugby and the

482
00:23:44,987 --> 00:23:48,107
Speaker 10: NPC who start getting consistent game time and they become

483
00:23:48,147 --> 00:23:50,187
Speaker 10: the players we're seeing week and week out, and they

484
00:23:50,227 --> 00:23:52,547
Speaker 10: become the players that kids are then following and love.

485
00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:55,827
Speaker 10: They get more experience, become better, we have a bigger debt,

486
00:23:56,267 --> 00:23:58,267
Speaker 10: and then when it does come to the All Blacks,

487
00:23:58,507 --> 00:24:00,827
Speaker 10: we will have the situation like South Africa where we

488
00:24:00,827 --> 00:24:04,187
Speaker 10: can have a good team of experienced players and then

489
00:24:04,227 --> 00:24:06,147
Speaker 10: we can have guys at the end of their career

490
00:24:06,787 --> 00:24:09,427
Speaker 10: or you know a couple of superstars who are playing overseas,

491
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Speaker 10: but we can bring them back in and we create

492
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Speaker 10: this team that is like unbelievable, which is what said.

493
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Speaker 10: After they're doing you look at their bomb squad when

494
00:24:16,547 --> 00:24:19,267
Speaker 10: it comes on. It's all the old guys that are

495
00:24:19,267 --> 00:24:21,187
Speaker 10: gone from New Zealand rugby. You know, we could be

496
00:24:21,227 --> 00:24:24,707
Speaker 10: having you know, Aaron Smith and you know rech Rugg

497
00:24:24,747 --> 00:24:26,667
Speaker 10: and Brodie Roteling. You know, just you know, they could

498
00:24:26,707 --> 00:24:29,747
Speaker 10: be our bomb squad if you know we were, if

499
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Speaker 10: we were still going that way.

500
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Speaker 2: Hey, just a question before you go, James, what would

501
00:24:33,827 --> 00:24:36,267
Speaker 2: you pay for an All Blacks ticket? Where do you love?

502
00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:36,907
Speaker 2: Are you in Auckland?

503
00:24:37,827 --> 00:24:37,987
Speaker 13: Now?

504
00:24:38,147 --> 00:24:43,347
Speaker 10: Christ's mate expensive for me? I wouldn't go, you know,

505
00:24:43,427 --> 00:24:45,147
Speaker 10: but that's the thing, like you know, like I said,

506
00:24:45,147 --> 00:24:46,907
Speaker 10: I don't mind watching it on TV. I love sat

507
00:24:46,987 --> 00:24:49,107
Speaker 10: down and watching on TV, watching with the family, you know,

508
00:24:49,347 --> 00:24:51,347
Speaker 10: sat down and watch that the great experience on TV

509
00:24:51,427 --> 00:24:53,347
Speaker 10: these days. You know, the coverage is very good, the

510
00:24:53,387 --> 00:24:55,827
Speaker 10: whole the whole package is very good. It's easy to watch,

511
00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:59,307
Speaker 10: it's entertaining, you know, and going to the game would

512
00:24:59,347 --> 00:25:02,387
Speaker 10: become one of those very special things. But making more

513
00:25:02,387 --> 00:25:05,387
Speaker 10: money out of it and being having then you know,

514
00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:07,787
Speaker 10: to be able to sustain anable business because like being said,

515
00:25:07,827 --> 00:25:09,187
Speaker 10: you've got to look at it in the long In

516
00:25:09,227 --> 00:25:11,987
Speaker 10: the long run, what's going to happen As guys will

517
00:25:12,027 --> 00:25:14,227
Speaker 10: start leaving the game, they will go to these places

518
00:25:14,267 --> 00:25:16,667
Speaker 10: like the n r L, who have a mess of

519
00:25:16,667 --> 00:25:18,587
Speaker 10: water chest, you know, can go and target plans. They

520
00:25:18,627 --> 00:25:21,347
Speaker 10: already do target players, but you know, at a young age,

521
00:25:21,347 --> 00:25:23,667
Speaker 10: but could do it even more. I'd like to see

522
00:25:23,667 --> 00:25:28,387
Speaker 10: a bit disparity between our model of constantly losing money

523
00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:31,267
Speaker 10: and treading water and losing money and treading water. It

524
00:25:31,347 --> 00:25:34,067
Speaker 10: will become a much bigger ticket where they go ship.

525
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Speaker 10: I'm going to four times as much just going to

526
00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:39,027
Speaker 10: the n r L, you know, like I'm gone.

527
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Speaker 2: I'll just rephrase the question, at what price would you

528
00:25:42,187 --> 00:25:44,387
Speaker 2: definitely go to an All Blacks test?

529
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean what is it to pass?

530
00:25:52,147 --> 00:25:54,467
Speaker 2: That's gonna change, that's gonna change real quick. Yeah, would you?

531
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Speaker 2: Would you pay?

532
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Speaker 10: And you can? You can rage between playing one hundred

533
00:25:59,267 --> 00:26:01,627
Speaker 10: bucks and tolder and fastly probably even in the moment. Yeah,

534
00:26:01,627 --> 00:26:04,067
Speaker 10: what's what's a premium platinum sitting an All Black Tests

535
00:26:04,067 --> 00:26:04,467
Speaker 10: at the moment?

536
00:26:05,027 --> 00:26:07,347
Speaker 2: But up high? Yeah, I'd tell you what. The cheapest,

537
00:26:07,507 --> 00:26:10,067
Speaker 2: the cheapest, the cheapest adult ticket to watch the All

538
00:26:10,107 --> 00:26:12,307
Speaker 2: Blacks play France and Wellington. I checked this out yesterday

539
00:26:12,347 --> 00:26:14,907
Speaker 2: just in preparation for today. The cheapest adult ticket is

540
00:26:14,947 --> 00:26:16,067
Speaker 2: sixty five bucks.

541
00:26:16,907 --> 00:26:20,187
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, supply in demand. Whatever they can get through

542
00:26:20,187 --> 00:26:22,947
Speaker 10: a ticket they should be charging, because that's what's beast

543
00:26:23,027 --> 00:26:27,787
Speaker 10: for Aim and the said money. It's not good for

544
00:26:27,827 --> 00:26:29,627
Speaker 10: the game. It's all just going to go downhill, you know.

545
00:26:29,747 --> 00:26:32,507
Speaker 10: So they need to look at it as a business decision.

546
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,067
Speaker 10: They don't need the sub to drive us. It should

547
00:26:34,107 --> 00:26:36,667
Speaker 10: just be supply in demand. Whatever they can sell the

548
00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:39,027
Speaker 10: tickets for and sell the stadiums out, that's what they

549
00:26:39,027 --> 00:26:39,627
Speaker 10: should be doing.

550
00:26:39,787 --> 00:26:41,747
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, James, I've enjoyed chatting to you, mate,

551
00:26:41,747 --> 00:26:43,747
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Call back anytime. I W eight one

552
00:26:43,787 --> 00:26:45,507
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. Lewis says, did you just

553
00:26:45,507 --> 00:26:47,267
Speaker 2: say the All Black South Africa Test that Eden Park

554
00:26:47,307 --> 00:26:49,787
Speaker 2: has sold out? Yes, it is, it is sold out.

555
00:26:50,507 --> 00:26:55,867
Speaker 2: That game is officially a sellout on the sixth of September.

556
00:26:56,187 --> 00:26:57,667
Speaker 2: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our

557
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Speaker 2: number twenty four to one Ellen.

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Speaker 14: Hello, Yeah, good Jason. Look, ticket prices are exorbitant foremost

559
00:27:04,587 --> 00:27:07,867
Speaker 14: anything these days, There's no question about that. And it's

560
00:27:08,187 --> 00:27:11,387
Speaker 14: down to the year of professionalism because the players who

561
00:27:11,427 --> 00:27:14,307
Speaker 14: provide the entertainment have to be paid. But I think

562
00:27:14,387 --> 00:27:20,027
Speaker 14: the thing that hasn't been discussed yet is that Longngan

563
00:27:20,107 --> 00:27:26,427
Speaker 14: touched on it. The best players that we have should

564
00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:29,547
Speaker 14: be put on the park. That's accepted by almost everybody.

565
00:27:30,747 --> 00:27:33,467
Speaker 14: And if they happen to be playing overseas, so what

566
00:27:34,547 --> 00:27:37,747
Speaker 14: The Kii rugby league team never got as good as

567
00:27:37,787 --> 00:27:41,267
Speaker 14: they are now until a lot of the players started

568
00:27:41,307 --> 00:27:45,427
Speaker 14: playing in overseas competitions and are brought back for the

569
00:27:45,467 --> 00:27:48,987
Speaker 14: test matches. Does that bother anybody when if the Kiwi's

570
00:27:49,027 --> 00:27:50,627
Speaker 14: beat them? Of course it doesn't.

571
00:27:52,027 --> 00:27:54,707
Speaker 2: It's not an apple before you carry on. It's not

572
00:27:54,747 --> 00:27:58,147
Speaker 2: an apples an apples argument, though, is it? With rugby league?

573
00:27:58,147 --> 00:27:59,827
Speaker 2: We don't have a I mean that we don't have

574
00:27:59,827 --> 00:28:04,747
Speaker 2: a domestic competition the equal of Super rugby in rugby league.

575
00:28:04,747 --> 00:28:06,667
Speaker 2: We've got the NRL, which has got one key we

576
00:28:06,787 --> 00:28:09,427
Speaker 2: team in it. I mean, I know you understand the

577
00:28:09,507 --> 00:28:12,827
Speaker 2: argument why New Zealand Rugby in its current state of

578
00:28:12,907 --> 00:28:15,947
Speaker 2: mind wants to keep the players here to ensure a

579
00:28:16,067 --> 00:28:19,227
Speaker 2: very strong Super rugby domestic competition. I know you understand

580
00:28:19,267 --> 00:28:21,947
Speaker 2: that and look, you're not the only one who disagrees

581
00:28:21,987 --> 00:28:24,467
Speaker 2: with it, but that's the reason why. And so you

582
00:28:24,547 --> 00:28:27,427
Speaker 2: can't really make an analogy with league because it's not

583
00:28:27,827 --> 00:28:29,707
Speaker 2: you're not talking about the same landscape.

584
00:28:29,987 --> 00:28:33,107
Speaker 14: Well you may be right about that, but the league

585
00:28:33,107 --> 00:28:36,187
Speaker 14: have had to address this issue and as I said,

586
00:28:36,307 --> 00:28:39,267
Speaker 14: Lingen touched on it, they want to keep all the

587
00:28:39,307 --> 00:28:42,787
Speaker 14: best rugby players, all the best All Blacks in New

588
00:28:42,827 --> 00:28:46,867
Speaker 14: Zealand playing in the New Zealand Competition, Super Rugby and

589
00:28:46,907 --> 00:28:51,027
Speaker 14: the et cetera. They can't do it. They'll keep on struggling.

590
00:28:51,227 --> 00:28:54,947
Speaker 14: They'll keep on struggling, and they're running it a loss.

591
00:28:54,987 --> 00:28:58,387
Speaker 14: They've run a series of losses. All of sponsorship from

592
00:28:58,387 --> 00:29:02,227
Speaker 14: the big corporate companies, the major companies that are involved

593
00:29:02,227 --> 00:29:04,147
Speaker 14: in it is not going to help them with that.

594
00:29:04,707 --> 00:29:10,347
Speaker 14: What's more important is the All Blacks winning or keeping

595
00:29:10,347 --> 00:29:13,347
Speaker 14: them keeping the rugby and our best players here. I

596
00:29:14,027 --> 00:29:16,427
Speaker 14: know what the answer is for me. The thing is

597
00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:20,707
Speaker 14: can you can you not have both? I don't think so.

598
00:29:20,867 --> 00:29:23,947
Speaker 14: Because what the Auckland Rugby League had the problem of

599
00:29:23,947 --> 00:29:26,587
Speaker 14: players wanting to go overseas and they resisted it, and

600
00:29:26,627 --> 00:29:29,267
Speaker 14: they resisted it and in the finish it was broken

601
00:29:29,347 --> 00:29:32,227
Speaker 14: because Kurt Sorenson went to Coronella and sat out playing

602
00:29:32,227 --> 00:29:34,707
Speaker 14: football for a year and they couldn't touch it. And

603
00:29:34,747 --> 00:29:38,987
Speaker 14: it opened the floodgates. And it has improved our competition here.

604
00:29:39,227 --> 00:29:42,987
Speaker 14: You say the New Zealand League doesn't have a great

605
00:29:43,067 --> 00:29:46,347
Speaker 14: competition comparable to suber Avia. Of course it doesn't. We

606
00:29:46,387 --> 00:29:49,587
Speaker 14: have less playing numbers, but we're making the best of

607
00:29:49,627 --> 00:29:52,147
Speaker 14: what we've got and the All Blacks are going to

608
00:29:52,187 --> 00:29:54,947
Speaker 14: have to end the hierarchy. The administrators are going to

609
00:29:55,067 --> 00:29:58,347
Speaker 14: have to address that. Eventually. They cannot get away from

610
00:29:58,387 --> 00:30:02,267
Speaker 14: it because the rest of the world dominates what anybody

611
00:30:02,307 --> 00:30:05,227
Speaker 14: does and a minnow down the bottom of the Southern Hemisphere.

612
00:30:05,787 --> 00:30:09,307
Speaker 14: Although we have one of the best records ever for

613
00:30:09,427 --> 00:30:14,107
Speaker 14: international rugby tests, the truth is that the modern age

614
00:30:14,507 --> 00:30:18,027
Speaker 14: of professionalism and rugby is turning that on its head.

615
00:30:18,227 --> 00:30:20,627
Speaker 14: We still want to win, We still want to win

616
00:30:20,667 --> 00:30:23,267
Speaker 14: All Black Tests, no question, but you are not going

617
00:30:23,347 --> 00:30:25,947
Speaker 14: to do it by keeping your players here in New Zealand.

618
00:30:26,227 --> 00:30:28,747
Speaker 14: Eventually some of them are going to want to go

619
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,227
Speaker 14: because the young men, they can make a lot of money.

620
00:30:31,387 --> 00:30:34,027
Speaker 14: You're not going to stop it, and eventually they're going

621
00:30:34,107 --> 00:30:36,707
Speaker 14: to have to start selecting from overseas. Do you if

622
00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:39,027
Speaker 14: the All Racks win a Test against South Africa and

623
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Speaker 14: the team has made up of five or six New

624
00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:45,347
Speaker 14: Zealand players who play their trade overseas, do you think

625
00:30:45,387 --> 00:30:47,427
Speaker 14: anybody's going to worry? No, of course they're not.

626
00:30:47,547 --> 00:30:50,227
Speaker 2: No, they're not. No, Ellen, they're not. And so look,

627
00:30:50,427 --> 00:30:52,347
Speaker 2: you make a compelling argument, and I just want to

628
00:30:52,347 --> 00:30:55,547
Speaker 2: ask you, just to finish, do you think it will happen?

629
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Speaker 2: Do you think New Zealand Rugby will change their policy?

630
00:31:02,427 --> 00:31:06,147
Speaker 14: My thought is they've got to. I'm not a rugby person,

631
00:31:06,427 --> 00:31:09,427
Speaker 14: you know that, and I'm not a rugby person, but

632
00:31:09,547 --> 00:31:13,907
Speaker 14: I've seen what's happened to the league, every competitive football

633
00:31:14,467 --> 00:31:18,307
Speaker 14: in New Zealand. At golf Club's RSA, they're all dying,

634
00:31:18,467 --> 00:31:22,627
Speaker 14: Jason that rugby is currently strong in this country, and

635
00:31:22,707 --> 00:31:25,627
Speaker 14: as it should be. It is the national sport. But

636
00:31:25,707 --> 00:31:29,747
Speaker 14: everybody else has gone professional. England, France, Italy, all the

637
00:31:29,787 --> 00:31:34,267
Speaker 14: rest of Argentina, and they all play overseas. They all

638
00:31:34,307 --> 00:31:38,227
Speaker 14: play overseas because they're recognized as being good players. What

639
00:31:38,507 --> 00:31:41,827
Speaker 14: they're alert enough to say, I've seen the player to

640
00:31:41,907 --> 00:31:44,827
Speaker 14: go and play in Argentina or Italy. They are going

641
00:31:44,907 --> 00:31:47,747
Speaker 14: to come back a better player, and if we want

642
00:31:47,787 --> 00:31:50,027
Speaker 14: to stay at the top, we have simply got to

643
00:31:50,107 --> 00:31:54,627
Speaker 14: change our attitude towards keeping all our rugby players in

644
00:31:54,667 --> 00:31:58,227
Speaker 14: this country to play Superruby. It ain't going to happen. Eventually,

645
00:31:58,827 --> 00:32:01,267
Speaker 14: it's going to fail, but we're not going to be

646
00:32:01,307 --> 00:32:04,507
Speaker 14: worse off. We're probably going to be better off long term.

647
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ellen, good bye points very articulate and eloquently made.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for calling through eight hundred and eighty ten

649
00:32:11,827 --> 00:32:15,027
Speaker 2: eighty Kight says I'm with allan adapt or Die Peter

650
00:32:15,147 --> 00:32:17,347
Speaker 2: with the counterpoint the best players left the NPC and

651
00:32:17,347 --> 00:32:19,947
Speaker 2: now no one goes. If the best players leave Super Rugby,

652
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Speaker 2: the same will happen. It's a very very fascinating conversation

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Speaker 2: they have will continue to after this. Eighteen Away from

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Speaker 2: One News Talk SEDB.

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Speaker 1: One Grudge Hold Engaged Weekends for It with Jason Pym

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunder Homes, New Zealand's fast trusted home builder

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Speaker 2: Twelve forty five grant thank you for holding mate. Hello.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, finally now overseas players and ticket prices now bring

660
00:32:45,187 --> 00:32:48,387
Speaker 13: back overseas players works for some countries and not others.

661
00:32:48,507 --> 00:32:51,067
Speaker 13: Works for South Africa because basically the whole of their

662
00:32:51,107 --> 00:32:54,467
Speaker 13: first fifteen place overseas and the bit of a gap

663
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Speaker 13: between them and the second fifteen, so it works for them.

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Speaker 13: When we've had players that have come back from overseas,

665
00:33:01,107 --> 00:33:03,267
Speaker 13: just taken them a while to get back to the

666
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Speaker 13: level of New Zealand rugby competition. So I don't think

667
00:33:08,347 --> 00:33:11,707
Speaker 13: a complete change would would.

668
00:33:11,427 --> 00:33:12,147
Speaker 12: Work for us.

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Speaker 13: Things have loosened up over the years. There's more players

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00:33:16,467 --> 00:33:21,227
Speaker 13: eligible for sabbaticals and other players going, and things might

671
00:33:21,347 --> 00:33:24,667
Speaker 13: loosen up a bit more. But so I think you

672
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Speaker 13: know the way it is at the moment, and with

673
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Speaker 13: maybe a bit looser you know, would be fine. Now.

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Speaker 13: Ticket prices, Yeah, are you saying sixty five for the

675
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Speaker 13: cheapest seats.

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Speaker 2: The cheapest adult, Yeah, cheapest adult seats, the kids kids,

677
00:33:39,987 --> 00:33:44,627
Speaker 2: cheapest adult. Cheapest kids tickets are thirty, cheapest adult tickets

678
00:33:44,627 --> 00:33:46,187
Speaker 2: are sixty five, and they go up from there.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, And what would the best seat in the grand

680
00:33:49,587 --> 00:33:52,187
Speaker 13: stand be? Two to three hundred and two fifty something

681
00:33:52,267 --> 00:33:52,547
Speaker 13: like that?

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Speaker 2: I would say, so yeah. I mean, you won't find

683
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Speaker 2: me in it grand and probably not you either, But

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Speaker 2: I think so yeah. I think the platinum if they're

685
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Speaker 2: called that. Yeah, I think two fifty three hundred that

686
00:34:00,707 --> 00:34:01,467
Speaker 2: sounds about right.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: When you compare that, say to concepts of things like that,

689
00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:12,067
Speaker 13: you know, I think the pricing is right, and you

690
00:34:12,107 --> 00:34:15,187
Speaker 13: know the fact that, well, people are more choosy though

691
00:34:15,227 --> 00:34:17,427
Speaker 13: these days, so I'll pay the prices just like for

692
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Speaker 13: big artists a concerts. For big games like the South

693
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Speaker 13: African Games. The fact that now we only play them

694
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Speaker 13: at home every second year, I think makes it more enticing,

695
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Speaker 13: you know. So I just can't wait till the South

696
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Speaker 13: African Games come around us yet.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Grant. I didn't I should have what I

698
00:34:35,867 --> 00:34:38,347
Speaker 2: should have done, as checked ticket prices for the South

699
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Speaker 2: Africa Test in Wellington compared to the tickets for the

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Speaker 2: France Test. Because any economist will tell you that supply

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Speaker 2: and demand, as you've pointed out, Grant as a thing,

702
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:49,907
Speaker 2: so surely you should be charging more to watch the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks play South Africa than you do to watch

704
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Speaker 2: the All Blacks play what is going to be basically

705
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Speaker 2: a second string French team. I needed to check that.

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Speaker 2: I will check that and report back, Grant. Good to

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Speaker 2: chat to you.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Rachel, Hey, how you doing good.

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Speaker 16: Would I'd be comfortable paying two to three hundred dollars.

710
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Speaker 16: But there's lots of things that I'll factor into that decision,

711
00:35:13,307 --> 00:35:15,787
Speaker 16: and you've touched on all of them. It's the quality

712
00:35:15,827 --> 00:35:19,547
Speaker 16: of the players. It's how the team is performing, what's

713
00:35:19,587 --> 00:35:22,747
Speaker 16: their form, like all the things that are in and

714
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:28,387
Speaker 16: around the stadiums, the food to travel, the whole entertainment package.

715
00:35:28,907 --> 00:35:30,547
Speaker 16: But if they get it all right, I mean, I'm

716
00:35:30,587 --> 00:35:33,507
Speaker 16: really happy for the union to charge what they need

717
00:35:33,547 --> 00:35:36,307
Speaker 16: to charge to be able to run a profitable business

718
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Speaker 16: and keep our players here. Because what makes me likely

719
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Speaker 16: to pay that premium price is that I know the players.

720
00:35:44,627 --> 00:35:47,147
Speaker 16: I watch them week in week out. I enjoy them.

721
00:35:47,187 --> 00:35:50,227
Speaker 16: I know their strengths and their weaknesses and their personalities,

722
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Speaker 16: and it's got a real emotional connection. And I compare

723
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Speaker 16: it to like the reason all white assembly in their

724
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Speaker 16: games and I loosely follow football. But if they're all overseas,

725
00:36:03,187 --> 00:36:05,627
Speaker 16: I'm not connected to them. I don't know who they are.

726
00:36:06,147 --> 00:36:08,027
Speaker 16: You sit there and you say to your friends that

727
00:36:08,067 --> 00:36:10,627
Speaker 16: you're watching with, or who's wearing number six, who's wearing

728
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Speaker 16: number eleven, And the connection's not there. So I'm not

729
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Speaker 16: going to pay the same price for players to watch,

730
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Speaker 16: players that I don't care as much about or know

731
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Speaker 16: as well as what I will if they've players that

732
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Speaker 16: I've been hoping will get selected and love to watch.

733
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Speaker 16: So there's lots of factors, and we've talked about food

734
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Speaker 16: and stadiums and things for a long time. It's drinks

735
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Speaker 16: and it's a total package. But if they can get

736
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Speaker 16: it all right, then I will pay two to three

737
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Speaker 16: hundred dollars for a quality game of rugby that I'm

738
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Speaker 16: going to turn up to and think that all blacks

739
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Speaker 16: are going to put on a mean performance and it's

740
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Speaker 16: going to be.

741
00:36:48,867 --> 00:36:52,027
Speaker 2: Really entertaining, and by players who you know and have

742
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Speaker 2: the connection with Rachel. I think that's the first time

743
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Speaker 2: anybody's ever ever put that forward as an argument for

744
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Speaker 2: players staying here. The emotional connection you get with them

745
00:37:01,627 --> 00:37:04,627
Speaker 2: through NPC and Super Rugby, which then flows on to

746
00:37:04,747 --> 00:37:07,547
Speaker 2: test matches, and in your case anyway, the fact that

747
00:37:07,587 --> 00:37:09,267
Speaker 2: you would pay that money to go and see them,

748
00:37:09,267 --> 00:37:11,467
Speaker 2: because I mean, let's face it, you kind of feel

749
00:37:11,507 --> 00:37:13,347
Speaker 2: like you know them, right, I mean we're in New Zealand,

750
00:37:13,387 --> 00:37:16,147
Speaker 2: we can actually get, you know, quite up close with

751
00:37:16,187 --> 00:37:18,307
Speaker 2: these guys. You know, they'll they'll come and sign autographs

752
00:37:18,347 --> 00:37:21,467
Speaker 2: and have selfies and things afterwards. They're not unattainable, as

753
00:37:21,947 --> 00:37:24,107
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know Premier League footballers are, for example.

754
00:37:24,147 --> 00:37:26,587
Speaker 2: So it's a great point you make. So all right,

755
00:37:26,627 --> 00:37:28,787
Speaker 2: so if I need a ticket, you'll pay the two

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Speaker 2: fifty for me.

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00:37:31,027 --> 00:37:33,427
Speaker 16: If they've got after pay, I'll give it a crap.

758
00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:35,747
Speaker 16: But yeah, I think the other thing too, though, is

759
00:37:35,787 --> 00:37:38,747
Speaker 16: that just the lead times are important. I think for

760
00:37:38,867 --> 00:37:42,067
Speaker 16: families in the current economic climate, is that you don't

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Speaker 16: want tickets to go on sale on Monday and then

762
00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:47,707
Speaker 16: they're sold out by Thursday. Like you do need a

763
00:37:47,747 --> 00:37:49,547
Speaker 16: bit of time to get your ducks in a row

764
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Speaker 16: and think, okay, we're going to travel to Auckland, what

765
00:37:51,787 --> 00:37:54,027
Speaker 16: a flight's going to be, what's accommodation? Like, there's a

766
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Speaker 16: lot that goes into that decision making, and it is

767
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Speaker 16: an investment. But if the product's worth it, then I think,

768
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Speaker 16: you know, the die hads and people that can find

769
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Speaker 16: a way to make it happen will make it happen.

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Speaker 16: And I am mindful of pricing out, you know, certain

771
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Speaker 16: aspects of our community, but I think bigger picture, we

772
00:38:14,627 --> 00:38:18,387
Speaker 16: need to put money in the bank. Otherwise New Zealand

773
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Speaker 16: rugby as we know it, we'll die in a really

774
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Speaker 16: sad depth. And that's what I'm afraid of.

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Speaker 2: Very sensible thought, Racil. Thank you for calling and I

776
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Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Drive safely, enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 2: your weekend. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty are lyle?

778
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Speaker 2: What do you what would you what wouldn't you pay

779
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Speaker 2: to watch your favorite team?

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00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:39,987
Speaker 17: Well, I guess depends on what I've got in the

781
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Speaker 17: bank at the time and what other commitments have got.

782
00:38:43,387 --> 00:38:46,627
Speaker 17: But in regards to you know, the league argument, but

783
00:38:46,747 --> 00:38:50,667
Speaker 17: Bloke said the floodgates opened after skirt Or Sorenson left

784
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Speaker 17: his room. That it happened in nineteen ninety after a

785
00:38:54,107 --> 00:38:57,507
Speaker 17: boy called Tony Kemp challenge in New Zealand rugby league

786
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Speaker 17: while he was here in Queensland on a scholarship form.

787
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Speaker 17: But they're probably going to have to let the players

788
00:39:03,027 --> 00:39:07,867
Speaker 17: go overseas to remain you know, the viable. But with

789
00:39:07,987 --> 00:39:11,707
Speaker 17: the we had a great little rugby league competition in

790
00:39:11,747 --> 00:39:15,107
Speaker 17: Auckland called the Fox Memorial and then after the fight

791
00:39:15,227 --> 00:39:19,027
Speaker 17: gates were opened, they all pulled out. Now, if you're

792
00:39:19,027 --> 00:39:21,707
Speaker 17: a fifteen sixteen year old that no longer has to

793
00:39:21,747 --> 00:39:24,067
Speaker 17: stay in New Zealand to maybe get the black jersey.

794
00:39:24,067 --> 00:39:27,347
Speaker 17: You can go overseas. You're going to find a huge vacuum.

795
00:39:27,587 --> 00:39:31,307
Speaker 17: They'll float out to Italy, Ireland, England, all over the place.

796
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Speaker 17: And so your domestic competition is going to end up

797
00:39:34,627 --> 00:39:38,467
Speaker 17: similar to the domestic rugby league competition, very poor, half

798
00:39:38,507 --> 00:39:40,987
Speaker 17: a dozen people with their dogs watching it because you

799
00:39:41,027 --> 00:39:44,667
Speaker 17: know how that's all the next brigade will step up. Well, no,

800
00:39:44,787 --> 00:39:48,747
Speaker 17: because they'd be in those elite development schools and everything

801
00:39:48,747 --> 00:39:51,147
Speaker 17: else like that that they were good enough. What you're

802
00:39:51,147 --> 00:39:54,027
Speaker 17: going to be left with playing MPC is guys that

803
00:39:54,067 --> 00:39:57,107
Speaker 17: probably wouldn't have got a run and they senior club

804
00:39:57,147 --> 00:40:00,707
Speaker 17: competition in Manowa two and the Super Rugby the standard

805
00:40:00,707 --> 00:40:01,187
Speaker 17: will drop.

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00:40:01,307 --> 00:40:02,947
Speaker 12: So yeah, the Orbits.

807
00:40:02,627 --> 00:40:05,907
Speaker 17: May or may not keep winning as you select from overseas,

808
00:40:06,587 --> 00:40:09,387
Speaker 17: but you're going to find the domestic thing, the Super

809
00:40:09,467 --> 00:40:13,827
Speaker 17: Rugby and the MPC is going to be very very poor.

810
00:40:14,147 --> 00:40:17,507
Speaker 17: So if you've prepared to accept that at the moment,

811
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Speaker 17: the thing that holds a lot of people.

812
00:40:19,067 --> 00:40:21,787
Speaker 12: In New Zealanders to get that black jumper, even if.

813
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Speaker 17: They go offshore afterwards, it's worth a lot of money.

814
00:40:25,467 --> 00:40:28,427
Speaker 17: But how the South Africans make it work, I don't know,

815
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Speaker 17: but I'd love to see what their domestic competition looks like.

816
00:40:31,747 --> 00:40:34,347
Speaker 17: And you've got to remember now that they've got rid

817
00:40:34,427 --> 00:40:34,747
Speaker 17: of all.

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00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:37,027
Speaker 10: Their racial dramas and all the laws.

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Speaker 17: They're selecting out of forty five million people, so you know,

820
00:40:41,227 --> 00:40:43,907
Speaker 17: you've got a lot more to pick from. And with

821
00:40:44,107 --> 00:40:48,147
Speaker 17: some of those African athletes, they make superb wingers with

822
00:40:48,267 --> 00:40:50,547
Speaker 17: the speed they've got everything, like that New Zealand with

823
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Speaker 17: five million people. You know, a little country at the

824
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Speaker 17: bottom of the planet. There's one previous people have said,

825
00:40:58,627 --> 00:41:01,987
Speaker 17: and you're fighting against it the whole time.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've got to move mate. But you make

827
00:41:04,427 --> 00:41:06,427
Speaker 2: a good point. As always. Back in a moment on

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Speaker 2: news Talks, heb seven to one, four to one. Just

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Speaker 2: checked for the South African Test and Wellington cheapest adult

830
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Speaker 2: ticket ninety three dollars for the France test sixty five.

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00:41:13,907 --> 00:41:16,467
Speaker 2: That makes sense, supply and demand and all that. Get

832
00:41:16,507 --> 00:41:18,387
Speaker 2: a pony, says Sean. I paid two hundred and four

833
00:41:18,427 --> 00:41:20,747
Speaker 2: dollars for the South Africa Test and Wellington certainly not

834
00:41:20,787 --> 00:41:23,587
Speaker 2: the cheapest option, and some are much higher. They seem

835
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Speaker 2: to be at least one hundred dollars more expensive than

836
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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. And another text here we're paying.

837
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Speaker 2: We're paying eight grand for a table of ten. Take

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Speaker 2: me along.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

840
00:41:38,987 --> 00:41:42,227
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on wee J and Sport

841
00:41:42,307 --> 00:41:47,467
Speaker 1: with Jason Paine on your home of Sport new Talks.

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Speaker 2: One seven on the dot. Thanks for joining us. This

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Speaker 2: is weekend Sport on news TALKSB until three. I'm Jason

844
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Speaker 2: Pine and a McDonald's show producer. There's heaps of sport

845
00:41:57,147 --> 00:42:02,267
Speaker 2: on this afternoon and into the evening, and we've got

846
00:42:02,267 --> 00:42:04,467
Speaker 2: a few people say, hey, how come I don't preview this?

847
00:42:04,547 --> 00:42:06,227
Speaker 2: Why aren't you talking about this week? Look, we can

848
00:42:06,267 --> 00:42:07,827
Speaker 2: know we do one thing at once for starters, and

849
00:42:07,827 --> 00:42:09,987
Speaker 2: we'd love to cover everything off. What we will do

850
00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:12,267
Speaker 2: tomorrow is cover off a lot of what happens tonight,

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00:42:12,947 --> 00:42:16,427
Speaker 2: and by that I mean the Warriors up against the

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00:42:16,427 --> 00:42:20,867
Speaker 2: Dolphins that underway at five o'clock, huge Super Rugby match

853
00:42:20,907 --> 00:42:23,667
Speaker 2: between the Blues and more Wia Pacifica. In fact, I'll

854
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:26,187
Speaker 2: flip it around between Mina Pacifica and the Blues because

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00:42:26,267 --> 00:42:29,147
Speaker 2: Mina Pacifica are the home team at Albany. They've had

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00:42:29,147 --> 00:42:31,067
Speaker 2: to put extra seats and to accommodate the crowd that

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00:42:31,107 --> 00:42:33,947
Speaker 2: are going to turn up, I would say, and maybe

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00:42:34,307 --> 00:42:37,627
Speaker 2: I might be misreading this, I would say that eighty

859
00:42:37,707 --> 00:42:40,107
Speaker 2: percent of those who go along would be Morena PACIFICA

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00:42:40,187 --> 00:42:44,947
Speaker 2: fans tonight. That's just a guess. We'll cover that off tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And of course the A League Semi Finals home and

862
00:42:51,147 --> 00:42:55,307
Speaker 2: away Auckland FC Melbourne victory tonight is the away leg

863
00:42:56,187 --> 00:43:00,547
Speaker 2: nine thirty five tonight, and their next weekend is the

864
00:43:00,587 --> 00:43:04,707
Speaker 2: home league six o'clock a week tonight at go Media Stadium. Now,

865
00:43:05,187 --> 00:43:06,867
Speaker 2: a couple of things I need to tell about this.

866
00:43:07,307 --> 00:43:13,627
Speaker 2: Tickets for that game are as you'd probably expect, going

867
00:43:13,667 --> 00:43:16,507
Speaker 2: pretty fast last I heard, and I'm sure somebody from

868
00:43:16,547 --> 00:43:21,587
Speaker 2: Auckland f C who are enthusiastic listeners to the show

869
00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:23,307
Speaker 2: will tell me how many tickets there are left. I

870
00:43:23,867 --> 00:43:25,747
Speaker 2: heard a couple of thousand. It might be a few

871
00:43:25,747 --> 00:43:28,107
Speaker 2: more than that. I know it's not sold out yet

872
00:43:28,107 --> 00:43:32,187
Speaker 2: but will be before too much longer. The other thing

873
00:43:32,227 --> 00:43:33,827
Speaker 2: I need to tell about next weekend is that we're

874
00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:37,787
Speaker 2: going to broadcast the show from Tyler Street, Sport which

875
00:43:37,827 --> 00:43:42,187
Speaker 2: is the official home of Auckland f C when they

876
00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:44,267
Speaker 2: play away from home. If you get my drift, you

877
00:43:44,307 --> 00:43:47,187
Speaker 2: can't get a seat at Tyler Street Sport tonight. They're

878
00:43:47,187 --> 00:43:50,627
Speaker 2: putting on a free event and you had to basically

879
00:43:50,667 --> 00:43:53,987
Speaker 2: register for it. Registrations took about an hour and then

880
00:43:54,027 --> 00:43:57,507
Speaker 2: they're all gone. It's an amazing place to watch Auckland

881
00:43:57,587 --> 00:44:00,067
Speaker 2: f C when they're away. But we're going to do

882
00:44:00,107 --> 00:44:03,467
Speaker 2: the show from there next Saturday between midday and three

883
00:44:04,347 --> 00:44:08,307
Speaker 2: as we build towards the home semi five. Now, I

884
00:44:08,347 --> 00:44:10,587
Speaker 2: think this is right Andy. You'll be able to confirm

885
00:44:11,627 --> 00:44:14,627
Speaker 2: we've got a double pass to give away to the game.

886
00:44:14,787 --> 00:44:19,347
Speaker 2: You don't want to confirm vocally, you just want to

887
00:44:19,347 --> 00:44:21,227
Speaker 2: give me the thumbs up. I've got the thumbs up.

888
00:44:21,307 --> 00:44:24,067
Speaker 2: But we've got a double pass to give away to

889
00:44:24,147 --> 00:44:25,907
Speaker 2: next Saturday night. Yes, I confirm that.

890
00:44:26,027 --> 00:44:26,307
Speaker 1: Great.

891
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:29,027
Speaker 2: Is that what you wanted? That's exactly what I would

892
00:44:29,027 --> 00:44:32,467
Speaker 2: have preferred. A little bit of a more in depth conversation.

893
00:44:32,027 --> 00:44:34,587
Speaker 6: And he it's super exciting football. You know, we've got

894
00:44:34,627 --> 00:44:36,547
Speaker 6: to double pass to give away. It'll be great some

895
00:44:36,747 --> 00:44:39,507
Speaker 6: football to which it would be so much fun football.

896
00:44:39,547 --> 00:44:40,947
Speaker 7: Finey, double pass, get.

897
00:44:40,827 --> 00:44:44,827
Speaker 2: Along it was so good, you'll have a job on

898
00:44:44,827 --> 00:44:47,747
Speaker 2: one of our music brands. Before you know it, you'll

899
00:44:47,787 --> 00:44:50,627
Speaker 2: be splitting the discs. Yes, so we've got to double

900
00:44:50,627 --> 00:44:52,507
Speaker 2: pass to give away. We're gonna give it away by text.

901
00:44:54,547 --> 00:44:57,507
Speaker 2: We're not going to make it too difficult. Text the

902
00:44:57,507 --> 00:45:02,467
Speaker 2: word football to nine two nine two, simple as that.

903
00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:05,427
Speaker 2: Do we need anything else from them? Andy, Just the

904
00:45:05,467 --> 00:45:07,627
Speaker 2: word football. We've got number when it comes through. That's

905
00:45:07,627 --> 00:45:09,147
Speaker 2: all we need. Yeah, that's pretty much.

906
00:45:09,187 --> 00:45:09,267
Speaker 15: Ye.

907
00:45:09,547 --> 00:45:11,827
Speaker 2: I mean they can they can perhaps spice the entry

908
00:45:11,907 --> 00:45:16,547
Speaker 2: up with I don't score predictions for tonight? Favorite player?

909
00:45:16,747 --> 00:45:17,827
Speaker 2: Favorite player is a good one.

910
00:45:17,827 --> 00:45:18,347
Speaker 18: I like that.

911
00:45:18,627 --> 00:45:21,107
Speaker 6: How long you've supported Auckland FC for a lot of

912
00:45:21,107 --> 00:45:22,107
Speaker 6: one years, I'd say I.

913
00:45:22,107 --> 00:45:24,547
Speaker 2: Would say so. Score prediction for tonight's not bad. Actually,

914
00:45:24,547 --> 00:45:28,027
Speaker 2: I'm not going to make that a condition of entry.

915
00:45:28,387 --> 00:45:31,707
Speaker 2: Anybody who texts the word football to nine two nine

916
00:45:31,827 --> 00:45:35,507
Speaker 2: two will be in the draw to win this double pass.

917
00:45:35,547 --> 00:45:37,827
Speaker 2: We can't get you to Aukland, unfortunately, we don't have

918
00:45:37,867 --> 00:45:40,147
Speaker 2: the means to transport you to Auckland. But if you

919
00:45:40,187 --> 00:45:42,587
Speaker 2: are going to be in and around the Auckland region

920
00:45:42,627 --> 00:45:45,747
Speaker 2: next Saturday night, we've got a double pass for Auckland

921
00:45:45,827 --> 00:45:48,667
Speaker 2: FC against Melbourne victory second leg of the home and

922
00:45:48,667 --> 00:45:51,627
Speaker 2: away semi finals for the winner a place in the

923
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:54,547
Speaker 2: Grand Final on the Saturday night of King's Birthday weekend

924
00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:58,787
Speaker 2: at the same venue, go Media Mount Smart Stadium nine two,

925
00:45:58,827 --> 00:46:01,307
Speaker 2: nine to two the word football. Just before we move

926
00:46:01,307 --> 00:46:03,187
Speaker 2: a couple of our texts to cover off from last

927
00:46:03,187 --> 00:46:07,587
Speaker 2: hour's discussion about ticket prices, etc. Kab says, Poney, I've

928
00:46:07,627 --> 00:46:10,827
Speaker 2: just paid eighty five dollars for a ticket to the

929
00:46:10,867 --> 00:46:13,987
Speaker 2: All Blacks against South Africa at Eden Park and I

930
00:46:14,027 --> 00:46:17,347
Speaker 2: did not flinch about that cost. I've been going to

931
00:46:17,467 --> 00:46:19,307
Speaker 2: Eden Park since I was about five with my dad.

932
00:46:19,347 --> 00:46:22,587
Speaker 2: It's my happy place. I just love it. And North

933
00:46:22,587 --> 00:46:24,307
Speaker 2: Harbor Stadium is a sell out today. I thank you Kab,

934
00:46:24,427 --> 00:46:26,907
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And this one from Brett Piney. We

935
00:46:26,987 --> 00:46:31,667
Speaker 2: have no idea how accessible and affordable it is to

936
00:46:31,787 --> 00:46:35,027
Speaker 2: attend top level sport in New Zealand. My kids says

937
00:46:35,067 --> 00:46:37,747
Speaker 2: this text are currently living in the UK. It's totally

938
00:46:38,147 --> 00:46:42,827
Speaker 2: impossible to get tickets to Twickenham, Aviva and Murrayfield unless

939
00:46:43,307 --> 00:46:45,827
Speaker 2: you are part of a club and the price is

940
00:46:45,867 --> 00:46:49,187
Speaker 2: in the hundreds of pounds. We tried to get tickets

941
00:46:49,187 --> 00:46:51,347
Speaker 2: to the French Open Tennis last year had to do

942
00:46:51,427 --> 00:46:55,307
Speaker 2: it via an online lottery and there were three hundred

943
00:46:55,347 --> 00:46:59,147
Speaker 2: and forty thousand in the queue. We have it sweet

944
00:46:59,147 --> 00:47:02,187
Speaker 2: down here, says Bread. Thanks Brett, you make a good point.

945
00:47:02,227 --> 00:47:05,187
Speaker 2: Thank you for all your calls and correspondence around our

946
00:47:05,187 --> 00:47:08,187
Speaker 2: ticket pricing discussion last hour. No doubt it's a topic

947
00:47:08,227 --> 00:47:10,307
Speaker 2: we'll cover off again at some stage in the future.

948
00:47:10,627 --> 00:47:13,707
Speaker 2: Just updating you on Live Sport. They're into the second

949
00:47:13,787 --> 00:47:17,387
Speaker 2: quarter between the Knicks and the Celtics in Game six

950
00:47:17,427 --> 00:47:20,707
Speaker 2: of the Eastern Conference semifinal series. Is that score right?

951
00:47:20,787 --> 00:47:24,307
Speaker 2: Fifty one to twenty eight to the Knicks. Fifty one

952
00:47:24,347 --> 00:47:26,147
Speaker 2: to twenty eight to the Knicks. If they win this game,

953
00:47:26,667 --> 00:47:30,387
Speaker 2: they will progress to the Eastern Conference Finals, where they'll

954
00:47:30,387 --> 00:47:32,507
Speaker 2: be up against the Indiana Pacers. So the New York

955
00:47:32,547 --> 00:47:36,267
Speaker 2: Knicks looking to close it out in six. I think

956
00:47:36,267 --> 00:47:38,147
Speaker 2: we can move on. Oh, Paul Cole. He's going to

957
00:47:38,187 --> 00:47:41,267
Speaker 2: be on court shortly, Paul Cole in the semifinals at

958
00:47:41,267 --> 00:47:43,707
Speaker 2: the World Squash Championships in Chicago, So we'll keep an

959
00:47:43,707 --> 00:47:45,307
Speaker 2: eye on that. At the moment. The second of the

960
00:47:45,307 --> 00:47:48,307
Speaker 2: women's semi finals are still going on Paul Cole's in

961
00:47:48,347 --> 00:47:51,707
Speaker 2: the first of the men's semis, which will immediately follow

962
00:47:51,947 --> 00:47:56,267
Speaker 2: this particular match. Well, we talked about access last hour.

963
00:47:56,347 --> 00:48:00,227
Speaker 2: Let's move to access of a slightly different kind. A

964
00:48:00,267 --> 00:48:03,387
Speaker 2: new story emerged this week than a nine year old

965
00:48:03,467 --> 00:48:06,947
Speaker 2: Auckland boy has been told he can no longer play

966
00:48:07,467 --> 00:48:11,067
Speaker 2: age grade rugby with his friends because he is over

967
00:48:11,387 --> 00:48:14,587
Speaker 2: the weight limit. Now, this boy is a year four student.

968
00:48:14,627 --> 00:48:18,027
Speaker 2: He was one of one hundred and six students who

969
00:48:18,067 --> 00:48:22,347
Speaker 2: applied for a weight dispensation. This is in the county's

970
00:48:22,347 --> 00:48:26,387
Speaker 2: Manco Rugby Football Union club competition. He was denied that

971
00:48:26,507 --> 00:48:30,307
Speaker 2: dispensation and has opted out of playing any winter sport

972
00:48:30,627 --> 00:48:34,067
Speaker 2: at all this year. Now, the union says these structures

973
00:48:34,067 --> 00:48:38,667
Speaker 2: are in place to ensure player safety and fairness in competition,

974
00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:44,867
Speaker 2: which I totally get. But here's the case of a

975
00:48:44,907 --> 00:48:48,667
Speaker 2: young boy who wants to play sport and there is

976
00:48:48,707 --> 00:48:52,147
Speaker 2: a barrier in the way of him doing so. Andy

977
00:48:52,227 --> 00:48:57,027
Speaker 2: Rodgers is Sport New Zealand's national sport development consultant and

978
00:48:57,067 --> 00:48:59,147
Speaker 2: he joins us. Now, Andy, thanks for taking the time.

979
00:48:59,507 --> 00:49:02,267
Speaker 2: I know you can't comment on this specific case, but

980
00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,467
Speaker 2: this is the incident which has compelled the conversation, So

981
00:49:05,547 --> 00:49:08,747
Speaker 2: perhaps can stop by asking you for your general reaction

982
00:49:08,867 --> 00:49:11,627
Speaker 2: to this news that a barrier has been placed in

983
00:49:11,667 --> 00:49:13,987
Speaker 2: the way of a child who just wants to play

984
00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:14,867
Speaker 2: sport with his friends.

985
00:49:16,107 --> 00:49:19,147
Speaker 19: Yeah, as you say, it a little hard without more

986
00:49:19,187 --> 00:49:22,787
Speaker 19: of the background context, difficult to comment on the specifics

987
00:49:22,787 --> 00:49:24,987
Speaker 19: of the story, but what I can say first and foremost,

988
00:49:25,027 --> 00:49:27,107
Speaker 19: I feel pretty sorry for the young man caught in

989
00:49:27,147 --> 00:49:29,747
Speaker 19: the middle of it. And at sport in New Zealand,

990
00:49:29,907 --> 00:49:32,787
Speaker 19: we believe, you know, really strongly that every young person

991
00:49:32,907 --> 00:49:37,547
Speaker 19: should have the opportunity to enjoy and benefit that they

992
00:49:37,587 --> 00:49:40,467
Speaker 19: get from being active. It's really important that we work

993
00:49:40,507 --> 00:49:43,667
Speaker 19: as a sector, you know, to remove barriers and not

994
00:49:43,747 --> 00:49:47,507
Speaker 19: create them, especially for young people. And our role as

995
00:49:47,547 --> 00:49:52,307
Speaker 19: administrators is to provide opportunities where all young people are welcomed.

996
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:56,187
Speaker 19: And that's whether they're chasing their high performance dreams or

997
00:49:56,307 --> 00:49:59,547
Speaker 19: just want to have fun, get fit and socialized. So

998
00:50:00,827 --> 00:50:04,507
Speaker 19: one exciting piece we're just released, actually in partnership with

999
00:50:04,547 --> 00:50:07,147
Speaker 19: the Sports sector, is a tool that I encourage people

1000
00:50:07,187 --> 00:50:09,507
Speaker 19: to jump on our website and have a look at.

1001
00:50:09,827 --> 00:50:12,867
Speaker 19: It's called the Sport Pathway Framework and it really is

1002
00:50:12,907 --> 00:50:16,147
Speaker 19: a tool to encourage conversations and help people find a

1003
00:50:16,227 --> 00:50:20,667
Speaker 19: place where everyone can fit and support their motivations and

1004
00:50:21,027 --> 00:50:24,267
Speaker 19: aspirations to fulfill their potential at whatever level.

1005
00:50:24,307 --> 00:50:26,787
Speaker 2: That might be fantastic. Well, I'll have to check that out. So,

1006
00:50:27,187 --> 00:50:31,707
Speaker 2: in terms of barriers to kids in particular participating in sport,

1007
00:50:32,347 --> 00:50:34,627
Speaker 2: what are the main ones? We've got one here, which

1008
00:50:34,667 --> 00:50:38,387
Speaker 2: is I guess a specific example around around wait. And

1009
00:50:38,427 --> 00:50:40,347
Speaker 2: I understand the safety argument. I think we can all

1010
00:50:40,427 --> 00:50:42,987
Speaker 2: understand that. But what are some of the other barriers

1011
00:50:43,067 --> 00:50:46,787
Speaker 2: to kids participating in sport in general terms?

1012
00:50:47,667 --> 00:50:50,227
Speaker 19: Yeah, it's a really good question. This fun Jason, and

1013
00:50:50,427 --> 00:50:55,907
Speaker 19: something that we ponder on quite often. Look, we're told

1014
00:50:55,947 --> 00:50:59,467
Speaker 19: by young people and their families people now are living

1015
00:50:59,507 --> 00:51:02,747
Speaker 19: really busy lives, so busy schedules have a major impact.

1016
00:51:03,307 --> 00:51:07,907
Speaker 19: The cost involved transport is a massive one. And if

1017
00:51:07,907 --> 00:51:10,387
Speaker 19: you think about we're on based up in Auckland, getting

1018
00:51:10,427 --> 00:51:14,307
Speaker 19: across Auckland on a busy afternoon, getting home from work

1019
00:51:14,347 --> 00:51:17,987
Speaker 19: on a busy evening, isn't it. So transports a big one.

1020
00:51:18,107 --> 00:51:21,227
Speaker 19: Access to gear, and we know for girls there's a

1021
00:51:21,227 --> 00:51:25,507
Speaker 19: couple of additional ones that come through quite strongly. Confidence

1022
00:51:25,747 --> 00:51:28,987
Speaker 19: in fear of being judged to big factors, and then

1023
00:51:29,627 --> 00:51:33,547
Speaker 19: we know even more so for disabled people, they face

1024
00:51:33,587 --> 00:51:36,507
Speaker 19: even more challenges. So we know these issues are real,

1025
00:51:36,667 --> 00:51:39,547
Speaker 19: and that's why we're working really hard as a system

1026
00:51:39,867 --> 00:51:43,387
Speaker 19: to break through and be more inclusive, be more flexible

1027
00:51:44,067 --> 00:51:48,227
Speaker 19: with offerings, and take a much more community led approach

1028
00:51:48,347 --> 00:51:50,867
Speaker 19: to the way that we're rolling this out because communities

1029
00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:53,467
Speaker 19: know their people generally and they know how to adapt

1030
00:51:54,307 --> 00:51:56,267
Speaker 19: and provide offerings for them.

1031
00:51:56,787 --> 00:51:59,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some things you can't impact. I mean, you

1032
00:51:59,907 --> 00:52:03,267
Speaker 2: can't change Auckland's traffic system, for example. That's something that

1033
00:52:03,307 --> 00:52:05,827
Speaker 2: I think is even beyond Sports New Zealand or beyond

1034
00:52:05,867 --> 00:52:07,947
Speaker 2: any of us really. But are there some of the

1035
00:52:07,947 --> 00:52:10,387
Speaker 2: things you picked up on there that that you are

1036
00:52:10,427 --> 00:52:13,867
Speaker 2: doing specific work on that can be more readily removed

1037
00:52:13,907 --> 00:52:14,547
Speaker 2: as barriers?

1038
00:52:15,187 --> 00:52:18,067
Speaker 19: Yeah? Absolutely, You're right. We can't change the weather, right,

1039
00:52:18,107 --> 00:52:20,547
Speaker 19: and we can't change the transport at the moment in Auckland,

1040
00:52:21,427 --> 00:52:26,507
Speaker 19: although putting a training would be nice. However, Yeah, there are,

1041
00:52:26,587 --> 00:52:30,547
Speaker 19: and that's why I referenced community lead local solutions. We're

1042
00:52:30,587 --> 00:52:35,387
Speaker 19: actually seeing some great response in some of the metropolitan

1043
00:52:35,467 --> 00:52:40,107
Speaker 19: areas where local organizations are getting together and providing more

1044
00:52:40,107 --> 00:52:44,107
Speaker 19: opportunities at a local level. You know, not everyone has

1045
00:52:44,187 --> 00:52:48,107
Speaker 19: aspirations to go on to great things and have an

1046
00:52:48,147 --> 00:52:51,587
Speaker 19: overly competitive structure, and we're seeing a real uptake and

1047
00:52:51,627 --> 00:52:56,507
Speaker 19: more I guess close to home, locally led offerings where

1048
00:52:56,507 --> 00:52:59,787
Speaker 19: people can enjoy the value of sport without having to

1049
00:52:59,827 --> 00:53:04,787
Speaker 19: travel an hour and a half each way in busy schedules.

1050
00:53:05,387 --> 00:53:08,867
Speaker 2: Are you able to in any way measure the positive

1051
00:53:08,907 --> 00:53:13,867
Speaker 2: impact of physical activity and exercise on young people?

1052
00:53:14,907 --> 00:53:18,427
Speaker 19: Yeah, that is a great question. We know that it's

1053
00:53:18,507 --> 00:53:22,787
Speaker 19: hugely important, and we're now collecting more and more evidence

1054
00:53:23,507 --> 00:53:26,907
Speaker 19: to support that. We know that when young people are active,

1055
00:53:27,947 --> 00:53:31,267
Speaker 19: not only do they build friendships for life, they grow confidence.

1056
00:53:31,707 --> 00:53:35,507
Speaker 19: It supports mental well being as well. We know that

1057
00:53:35,547 --> 00:53:38,667
Speaker 19: young people are happier when they're engaged in physical activity.

1058
00:53:38,947 --> 00:53:42,947
Speaker 19: So we've recently actually published a report called Active Minds,

1059
00:53:43,067 --> 00:53:47,307
Speaker 19: Active Bodies, and the report confirms that those kids that

1060
00:53:47,347 --> 00:53:51,387
Speaker 19: are involved in sport and being physically active are actually

1061
00:53:51,867 --> 00:53:55,867
Speaker 19: better in school, they're better in life, and that's why

1062
00:53:55,907 --> 00:53:59,627
Speaker 19: through sport, we believe every child deserves that. So we

1063
00:53:59,667 --> 00:54:01,947
Speaker 19: need to work really hard to break those barriers down

1064
00:54:02,027 --> 00:54:03,747
Speaker 19: to open up offerings for everyone.

1065
00:54:04,427 --> 00:54:08,147
Speaker 2: Are more or fewer ldren playing organized sport now than

1066
00:54:08,227 --> 00:54:08,747
Speaker 2: in the past.

1067
00:54:10,067 --> 00:54:10,267
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1068
00:54:10,307 --> 00:54:15,307
Speaker 19: Well, obviously we had that rather unfortunate incident of COVID,

1069
00:54:15,347 --> 00:54:19,347
Speaker 19: but we are seeing jason a pretty steady recovery post COVID,

1070
00:54:20,187 --> 00:54:24,387
Speaker 19: especially in school sport, and we know that numbers have

1071
00:54:24,467 --> 00:54:28,787
Speaker 19: grown over the last three years. Several of our large

1072
00:54:28,827 --> 00:54:32,627
Speaker 19: sports are showing encouraging increases in their membership as well,

1073
00:54:33,227 --> 00:54:38,307
Speaker 19: which is clearly incredibly positive. And there's certainly a growing

1074
00:54:38,387 --> 00:54:44,987
Speaker 19: interest in flexible, more informal ways to just to I

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00:54:45,027 --> 00:54:46,187
Speaker 19: guess activating sport.

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00:54:47,107 --> 00:54:48,667
Speaker 2: What sort of things are you talking about there.

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00:54:50,147 --> 00:54:52,947
Speaker 19: Yeah, Look, some of our sports, the sports that are

1078
00:54:52,947 --> 00:54:57,947
Speaker 19: really adapting, being more inclusive and taking that community approach,

1079
00:54:58,067 --> 00:55:01,147
Speaker 19: are seeing strong growth. So we've got initiatives up and

1080
00:55:01,187 --> 00:55:05,747
Speaker 19: down the country, examples Hopes and Marias which is a

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00:55:05,907 --> 00:55:11,787
Speaker 19: collaboration and partnership with you. Several organizations including New Zealand Basketball,

1082
00:55:11,947 --> 00:55:16,187
Speaker 19: local EWE, Maldi Basketball that are putting hoops and giving

1083
00:55:16,267 --> 00:55:20,387
Speaker 19: access to young people. In Maria's rugby league have a

1084
00:55:20,427 --> 00:55:25,147
Speaker 19: program called Sister Rise which is addressing more offerings and

1085
00:55:25,147 --> 00:55:29,787
Speaker 19: opportunities for young girls and female coaches that are having

1086
00:55:29,947 --> 00:55:33,507
Speaker 19: tremendous success and talking to rugby league the other day

1087
00:55:33,547 --> 00:55:36,307
Speaker 19: that they've got about a sixty percent increase in young

1088
00:55:36,347 --> 00:55:41,227
Speaker 19: women participating in that program. And additionally, we're seeing programs

1089
00:55:41,307 --> 00:55:45,707
Speaker 19: being being more inclusive and encouraging people from all walks

1090
00:55:45,707 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 19: of life to get involved in sport and you know,

1091
00:55:49,067 --> 00:55:54,027
Speaker 19: reap the benefits since rugby is an initiative that's been

1092
00:55:54,067 --> 00:55:58,987
Speaker 19: developed by occupational therapists to fit the needs and learning

1093
00:55:59,027 --> 00:56:01,907
Speaker 19: pace of players, so it looks to support you know,

1094
00:56:01,947 --> 00:56:06,907
Speaker 19: players with disabilities that are neurodiverse, that have sensory and

1095
00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:10,267
Speaker 19: we're seeing these programs roll out up and down the country,

1096
00:56:10,387 --> 00:56:14,267
Speaker 19: so they're not just growing participation, they're building belonging and

1097
00:56:14,427 --> 00:56:18,427
Speaker 19: really breaking down societal barriers as well.

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00:56:18,427 --> 00:56:20,787
Speaker 2: This might be outside the scope of your brief, Andy,

1099
00:56:20,787 --> 00:56:24,067
Speaker 2: but do you think that kids sport is best administered

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00:56:24,107 --> 00:56:26,267
Speaker 2: by schools or by clubs?

1101
00:56:27,867 --> 00:56:30,707
Speaker 19: That's a great question, and I think we're really blessed

1102
00:56:30,707 --> 00:56:33,947
Speaker 19: in this country to have a system where you're able

1103
00:56:33,987 --> 00:56:36,827
Speaker 19: to access sport in both. So I think that my

1104
00:56:36,907 --> 00:56:39,227
Speaker 19: answer would be I think they player both play a

1105
00:56:39,267 --> 00:56:42,867
Speaker 19: really important role. The key here is that not one's

1106
00:56:42,907 --> 00:56:45,707
Speaker 19: better than the other. It's about how they work together

1107
00:56:46,267 --> 00:56:49,307
Speaker 19: to meet the needs of all participants. So regardless of

1108
00:56:49,307 --> 00:56:51,987
Speaker 19: the setting, you know, I think the key here is

1109
00:56:51,987 --> 00:56:56,067
Speaker 19: that we want to offer quality experiences and we continue

1110
00:56:56,067 --> 00:56:58,787
Speaker 19: to put the needs of young people first, you know,

1111
00:56:58,787 --> 00:57:01,787
Speaker 19: and that means, as I've said previously, offering a range

1112
00:57:01,827 --> 00:57:05,427
Speaker 19: of opportunities that match the motivations of the children. So

1113
00:57:05,467 --> 00:57:09,347
Speaker 19: we need to fit into young people's lives, not young

1114
00:57:09,387 --> 00:57:11,667
Speaker 19: people fit into our sports systems.

1115
00:57:12,187 --> 00:57:15,027
Speaker 2: And there's something that always happens with kids sport is

1116
00:57:15,107 --> 00:57:17,227
Speaker 2: that you know, a young boy or girl shows promise

1117
00:57:17,347 --> 00:57:19,707
Speaker 2: at an early age and everybody says, wow, there's the

1118
00:57:19,747 --> 00:57:23,707
Speaker 2: next you know, Dan Carter, you know, there's the next Porsche,

1119
00:57:23,747 --> 00:57:27,267
Speaker 2: Woodman Wickliffe. Just to use a couple of rugby examples,

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00:57:27,387 --> 00:57:31,467
Speaker 2: and yet these children are eight nineteen years old. Is

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00:57:31,587 --> 00:57:34,267
Speaker 2: balances better? You know, children playing a lot of different

1122
00:57:34,267 --> 00:57:37,307
Speaker 2: sports still a key plank to your philosophy on kids

1123
00:57:37,427 --> 00:57:38,867
Speaker 2: exercise and sport.

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00:57:39,627 --> 00:57:40,027
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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00:57:40,067 --> 00:57:42,787
Speaker 19: Absolutely, And I happen to know you're a big fan

1126
00:57:42,867 --> 00:57:46,187
Speaker 19: of the balance is better approach, Jason, so I'm glad

1127
00:57:46,227 --> 00:57:47,027
Speaker 19: you brought that one up.

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00:57:47,627 --> 00:57:47,867
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:57:47,907 --> 00:57:52,627
Speaker 19: Absolutely, Balance is better is more than just the talent

1130
00:57:52,667 --> 00:57:55,667
Speaker 19: piece though, it's about it's our approach to use sport

1131
00:57:55,707 --> 00:57:58,227
Speaker 19: in new Zealan and it's ensuring that we put the

1132
00:57:58,267 --> 00:58:01,227
Speaker 19: needs of young people first. So what we say, it's

1133
00:58:01,267 --> 00:58:05,907
Speaker 19: about balancing sport with life, you know. So it's ensuring

1134
00:58:05,987 --> 00:58:08,307
Speaker 19: that we keep the fun element, but we also keep

1135
00:58:08,307 --> 00:58:13,147
Speaker 19: the development element, and that we balance adults expectations with

1136
00:58:13,147 --> 00:58:16,507
Speaker 19: what kids actually want. So when we get that balance right,

1137
00:58:16,587 --> 00:58:20,787
Speaker 19: we see that outcomes for everyone involved, and we say

1138
00:58:20,787 --> 00:58:23,787
Speaker 19: that balance is better. It's not just the philosophy, it's

1139
00:58:23,827 --> 00:58:27,427
Speaker 19: a practical approach and it's now backed by strong evidence,

1140
00:58:27,467 --> 00:58:30,267
Speaker 19: and it's really getting embraced by the sector. And we

1141
00:58:30,347 --> 00:58:32,947
Speaker 19: know that those organizations that are picking it up and

1142
00:58:33,027 --> 00:58:37,867
Speaker 19: using it and adopting their systems are seeing some significant

1143
00:58:37,907 --> 00:58:40,747
Speaker 19: improvements in the quality of the experiences that young people

1144
00:58:40,787 --> 00:58:44,387
Speaker 19: are achieving. Young people are getting better, they're having more fun,

1145
00:58:44,507 --> 00:58:45,787
Speaker 19: and they're staying in for longer.

1146
00:58:46,347 --> 00:58:49,867
Speaker 2: Very interesting, very very interesting thoughts this afternoon. Andy, Thank

1147
00:58:49,867 --> 00:58:51,267
Speaker 2: you so much for taking the time to join us,

1148
00:58:51,267 --> 00:58:52,907
Speaker 2: and know our listeners we'll have a lot of feedback

1149
00:58:52,907 --> 00:58:54,547
Speaker 2: so we'll get to them. But thank you for your

1150
00:58:54,587 --> 00:58:55,507
Speaker 2: time this afternoon.

1151
00:58:56,067 --> 00:58:56,707
Speaker 11: No prom it all.

1152
00:58:56,747 --> 00:58:58,507
Speaker 19: Thanks for having me on the show, Jason.

1153
00:58:58,267 --> 00:59:00,547
Speaker 2: No, thank you for joining us Andy, Andy Rogers Sport

1154
00:59:00,587 --> 00:59:07,387
Speaker 2: New Zealand's National Development National Sport Development consultant. There, your

1155
00:59:07,387 --> 00:59:10,387
Speaker 2: reaction is welcome. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1156
00:59:10,467 --> 00:59:12,147
Speaker 2: let's kick this around for a bit. We hear a

1157
00:59:12,187 --> 00:59:16,747
Speaker 2: lot about how important exercises for our young people and

1158
00:59:16,787 --> 00:59:20,387
Speaker 2: how challenging it can be to get kids involved in sport,

1159
00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:23,027
Speaker 2: to get them away from their screens at the moment,

1160
00:59:24,027 --> 00:59:27,707
Speaker 2: anything that is a barrier to kids getting involved in

1161
00:59:27,707 --> 00:59:32,227
Speaker 2: sport needs to be looked at. Look. I totally totally

1162
00:59:32,347 --> 00:59:36,907
Speaker 2: understand the reason for the weight restriction in this case

1163
00:59:36,947 --> 00:59:42,787
Speaker 2: in rugby. It's a safety one, right, It's a safety

1164
00:59:42,827 --> 00:59:48,787
Speaker 2: one kids of You know, all ages develop at different rates.

1165
00:59:49,427 --> 00:59:51,787
Speaker 2: There are all shapes and sizes of nine year olds,

1166
00:59:52,267 --> 00:59:56,467
Speaker 2: So I totally get the safety restriction and the fact,

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00:59:56,587 --> 00:59:58,507
Speaker 2: you know, if there wasn't one, that may well have

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00:59:58,587 --> 01:00:01,787
Speaker 2: the effect of turning smaller kids off, if they feel

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01:00:01,827 --> 01:00:04,667
Speaker 2: physically intimidated by playing against much bigger kids in a

1170
01:00:04,707 --> 01:00:07,507
Speaker 2: contact sport. We know that many parents already don't want

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01:00:07,547 --> 01:00:10,427
Speaker 2: their kids playing contact sport like rugby and rugby lee

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01:00:10,467 --> 01:00:12,147
Speaker 2: because they're worried their kids will be hurt. None of

1173
01:00:12,187 --> 01:00:16,587
Speaker 2: us want our kids to be hurt. But this spoils

1174
01:00:16,627 --> 01:00:21,947
Speaker 2: down to one very simple thing. This boy, this kid

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01:00:23,147 --> 01:00:29,147
Speaker 2: wants to play rugby with his friends. That's it. That

1176
01:00:29,307 --> 01:00:31,227
Speaker 2: is the thing that sits at the center of this

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Speaker 2: whole thing. This boy wants to play rugby with his mates.

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Speaker 2: It is incumbent upon the sport to find a way

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01:00:38,267 --> 01:00:41,947
Speaker 2: to make that happen. Now, one narrative I've heard a

1180
01:00:41,947 --> 01:00:45,507
Speaker 2: lot this week is this, why doesn't he just play

1181
01:00:45,547 --> 01:00:48,667
Speaker 2: upper grade? And already these texts are flying in Piney.

1182
01:00:48,667 --> 01:00:50,307
Speaker 2: There's nothing stopping the kid playing in the next neck

1183
01:00:50,387 --> 01:00:52,347
Speaker 2: grate up, says Steve Peter says, why doesn't the kid

1184
01:00:52,347 --> 01:00:55,107
Speaker 2: play in the next weight up? Geepas says this one

1185
01:00:55,107 --> 01:00:59,227
Speaker 2: putting a year up or a grade up. The answer

1186
01:00:59,307 --> 01:01:02,827
Speaker 2: to that is very simple, and it goes back to

1187
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:06,867
Speaker 2: what I just said. He wants to play be with

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01:01:06,987 --> 01:01:11,947
Speaker 2: his friends. Every nine year old wants to do things

1189
01:01:11,987 --> 01:01:15,867
Speaker 2: with their friends, but it's sport or anything. They don't

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01:01:15,867 --> 01:01:17,467
Speaker 2: want to do it with kids who are a year

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01:01:17,587 --> 01:01:20,867
Speaker 2: or two older than they are, just as a kid

1192
01:01:20,907 --> 01:01:24,267
Speaker 2: who's underweight doesn't want to drop down and play with

1193
01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:27,707
Speaker 2: kids a couple of years younger than him. This boy

1194
01:01:27,787 --> 01:01:31,467
Speaker 2: wants to play rugby. With his mates find a way.

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01:01:32,827 --> 01:01:36,187
Speaker 2: Maybe you've got some suggestions, let us find a way,

1196
01:01:36,827 --> 01:01:39,747
Speaker 2: or you might have a completely contrary view. All opinions

1197
01:01:39,787 --> 01:01:41,907
Speaker 2: are welcome on this show. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty one twenty seven, back with your calls after

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Speaker 2: this you.

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Speaker 1: Be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason him and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs they'd be.

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Speaker 2: One point thirty. Hey, just bear in mind, we don't

1204
01:01:58,547 --> 01:02:01,147
Speaker 2: all have to agree. We don't all have to agree.

1205
01:02:01,187 --> 01:02:05,187
Speaker 2: It's actually okay to have differing views on this. There

1206
01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:07,227
Speaker 2: are some good text coming throwing this and I'll get

1207
01:02:07,267 --> 01:02:09,467
Speaker 2: to those. Best way to get your point across is

1208
01:02:09,467 --> 01:02:10,707
Speaker 2: on the phone. Hello, Ben.

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Speaker 11: Finey, how are you man?

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01:02:14,707 --> 01:02:14,947
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1211
01:02:14,987 --> 01:02:20,347
Speaker 11: Hey, the importance of sports and children, it's just massive,

1212
01:02:20,827 --> 01:02:25,507
Speaker 11: Like it's for me and for a lot of for

1213
01:02:25,627 --> 01:02:28,267
Speaker 11: a lot of my for a lot of my mates,

1214
01:02:28,307 --> 01:02:31,107
Speaker 11: and all my phone on it around me. You know,

1215
01:02:31,147 --> 01:02:34,827
Speaker 11: it's just been the difference between a kid he ends

1216
01:02:34,907 --> 01:02:39,307
Speaker 11: up in a bit of trouble or a kid who's

1217
01:02:39,347 --> 01:02:44,027
Speaker 11: got you know, teaches some sort of I don't know,

1218
01:02:44,427 --> 01:02:47,947
Speaker 11: drive or some sort of purpose and kids, and it

1219
01:02:47,987 --> 01:02:50,987
Speaker 11: also turns off a lot of energy, you know, and

1220
01:02:51,067 --> 01:02:56,347
Speaker 11: it's just so important, it's and it's awesome. And as

1221
01:02:56,387 --> 01:02:59,947
Speaker 11: a parent, you know, I I grew uptown and Drummond,

1222
01:03:00,227 --> 01:03:03,827
Speaker 11: and we always had a like all small towns all

1223
01:03:03,827 --> 01:03:07,587
Speaker 11: over the show. Here we've got rugby clubs, so you know,

1224
01:03:08,027 --> 01:03:11,227
Speaker 11: I was always pushed into that. And the kid, you know,

1225
01:03:11,427 --> 01:03:15,227
Speaker 11: frosty mornings and cleaning all the all the sheet tickle

1226
01:03:15,267 --> 01:03:20,867
Speaker 11: off the ground and bloody he's trying to do anything. Yeah,

1227
01:03:21,147 --> 01:03:24,507
Speaker 11: I just I've never enjoyed it at the time, you know,

1228
01:03:24,507 --> 01:03:27,867
Speaker 11: I was always moaning about things. But now after growing

1229
01:03:27,987 --> 01:03:30,467
Speaker 11: up and then having kids myself and seeing the importance

1230
01:03:30,467 --> 01:03:35,867
Speaker 11: that it's just been, it's been an't to how important

1231
01:03:35,907 --> 01:03:39,827
Speaker 11: it is. And and it's almost a birth right. It is,

1232
01:03:39,987 --> 01:03:44,227
Speaker 11: it should be a birth right, and h cater for it.

1233
01:03:44,547 --> 01:03:47,947
Speaker 11: Get behind it, look like it's the priority.

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01:03:48,827 --> 01:03:50,627
Speaker 2: Got on your bend. Like yet, Look, I don't think

1235
01:03:50,627 --> 01:03:54,307
Speaker 2: there's any doubt, any doubt that that, you know, the

1236
01:03:54,347 --> 01:03:57,587
Speaker 2: benefits of exercise, you know, are therefore all to see

1237
01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:01,267
Speaker 2: ben and getting being involved in organized sport or exercise

1238
01:04:01,347 --> 01:04:04,587
Speaker 2: of any type. As you know, there's no downside. Really,

1239
01:04:04,627 --> 01:04:09,267
Speaker 2: there's no downside. So remove the barriers. And that's what

1240
01:04:09,547 --> 01:04:12,347
Speaker 2: you know we spoke about before with Andy Rodgers removing

1241
01:04:12,387 --> 01:04:18,547
Speaker 2: all sorts of barriers text here, you'd rather risk serious

1242
01:04:18,587 --> 01:04:20,347
Speaker 2: injury to a small kid to make a huge one

1243
01:04:20,347 --> 01:04:22,027
Speaker 2: feel better. When I was a kid, I wanted to

1244
01:04:22,027 --> 01:04:23,787
Speaker 2: be a cool, popular kid, but I was and had

1245
01:04:23,787 --> 01:04:25,707
Speaker 2: to hang out with the uncool kids. I got over it,

1246
01:04:25,747 --> 01:04:29,547
Speaker 2: all right. I'm not suggesting that you just make it

1247
01:04:29,587 --> 01:04:32,987
Speaker 2: a free for all. Although I have heard, and maybe

1248
01:04:33,627 --> 01:04:37,547
Speaker 2: somebody can clarify this that rugby league do not have

1249
01:04:37,587 --> 01:04:41,387
Speaker 2: a similar rule, That there isn't a similar rule in

1250
01:04:41,427 --> 01:04:44,547
Speaker 2: rugby league. Is that right? Parents of kids who are

1251
01:04:44,587 --> 01:04:48,187
Speaker 2: involved in rugby league? Is that the case? Because a

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01:04:48,187 --> 01:04:49,747
Speaker 2: lot of the narrative I say I heard during the

1253
01:04:49,787 --> 01:04:51,307
Speaker 2: week was if they're not going to take him in rugby,

1254
01:04:51,347 --> 01:04:57,947
Speaker 2: will take them in league. There's a lot of people

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01:04:58,107 --> 01:05:01,027
Speaker 2: here like I think we've all forgotten what it's like

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01:05:01,067 --> 01:05:03,507
Speaker 2: to be nine. If I'm honest, I think a lot

1257
01:05:03,507 --> 01:05:05,387
Speaker 2: of people have forgotten what it's like to be nine.

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Speaker 5: George get a great program, great topic. Now, two things,

1259
01:05:10,267 --> 01:05:13,987
Speaker 5: if I can One is that My kid when he

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01:05:14,027 --> 01:05:16,307
Speaker 5: was eight years old, was what you would regard as

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01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:20,867
Speaker 5: weight challenged and decided to play rugby. He had one

1262
01:05:20,907 --> 01:05:23,147
Speaker 5: game and they put him up the next level. Why

1263
01:05:23,547 --> 01:05:26,267
Speaker 5: because when he ran through he was like Jerry Collins.

1264
01:05:26,667 --> 01:05:31,467
Speaker 5: He just bowled everybody over and kept scoring tries. So

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01:05:31,507 --> 01:05:34,907
Speaker 5: they decided that it was unfired to the opposition and

1266
01:05:34,947 --> 01:05:36,947
Speaker 5: the rest of his team because he basically hung on

1267
01:05:36,947 --> 01:05:40,987
Speaker 5: to the ball and just bowled his way through, and

1268
01:05:41,027 --> 01:05:44,227
Speaker 5: that was the thing. So it was fair, and even

1269
01:05:44,307 --> 01:05:48,107
Speaker 5: though we objected, it was fair for the game to

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01:05:48,267 --> 01:05:50,987
Speaker 5: have him transferred to the next level up whether weight

1271
01:05:51,147 --> 01:05:53,987
Speaker 5: was the same as he was now. The second thing

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Speaker 5: is I've been watching TV and listening to rugby and

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Speaker 5: there is a competition out there in rugby seventy five

1274
01:06:00,107 --> 01:06:03,867
Speaker 5: km below. What's the story if that is not weight

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01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:09,027
Speaker 5: challenged set for the rugby tournaments globally, it's already in

1276
01:06:09,107 --> 01:06:12,907
Speaker 5: rugby that the weight there is a constriction on adults.

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01:06:13,747 --> 01:06:15,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think I mean that the eighty five.

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01:06:15,827 --> 01:06:18,787
Speaker 2: I think it's eighty five kilos or eighty killers. But

1279
01:06:18,827 --> 01:06:21,827
Speaker 2: George around that you're right, and what that does for

1280
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Speaker 2: adults is make it a lot more accessible to you know,

1281
01:06:25,987 --> 01:06:28,467
Speaker 2: players of different shapes and sizes, because just like kids,

1282
01:06:28,787 --> 01:06:31,587
Speaker 2: you know, just like parents worry that their kids are

1283
01:06:31,627 --> 01:06:35,027
Speaker 2: going to be you know, seriously injured by playing against

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Speaker 2: a bigger guys. I'm pretty sure a bloke who's seventy

1285
01:06:37,747 --> 01:06:40,827
Speaker 2: kilos probably there's a huge attraction in playing in a

1286
01:06:40,867 --> 01:06:44,227
Speaker 2: weight restricted adult grade. Absolutely there is, just on this one.

1287
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a place for it in the child as

1288
01:06:47,067 --> 01:06:50,707
Speaker 5: well to be fair for the game. I don't know

1289
01:06:50,747 --> 01:06:52,627
Speaker 5: if it's a nipboard or I doubt it looking at

1290
01:06:52,707 --> 01:06:55,347
Speaker 5: how it plays. No, it's probably not in the in

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Speaker 5: the in the rugby league.

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Speaker 2: I think, sorry, George, just before you carry it on,

1293
01:07:00,147 --> 01:07:01,667
Speaker 2: will let you make your second point just the rugby

1294
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Speaker 2: league one. It strikes me that if that is the

1295
01:07:04,067 --> 01:07:07,187
Speaker 2: case in rugby league, that there is no weight restriction,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's surely there's there must be concerns among

1297
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Speaker 2: parents that their kids are going to get physically injured,

1298
01:07:17,227 --> 01:07:20,747
Speaker 2: that they're playing against bigger against bigger kids, but they

1299
01:07:20,827 --> 01:07:22,907
Speaker 2: just for whatever reason, say, well, the kid wants to

1300
01:07:22,907 --> 01:07:26,027
Speaker 2: do it, he wants to play, tell your booth to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 5: I think also, I don't know if it applies in

1303
01:07:29,907 --> 01:07:32,587
Speaker 5: Taar rugby because you look at the kids playing there

1304
01:07:32,627 --> 01:07:35,387
Speaker 5: and they are all sorts of sizes, and I'm thinking

1305
01:07:35,427 --> 01:07:38,507
Speaker 5: that's interesting. So it's only if you've been demolished by

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01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:42,707
Speaker 5: tackles that it seems to apply. So the second thing

1307
01:07:42,787 --> 01:07:45,107
Speaker 5: is in the eighties, our kids were not allowed to

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Speaker 5: play with shoes on. They had to play and be

1309
01:07:47,307 --> 01:07:51,187
Speaker 5: a feet rugby as little types. So during the summer

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01:07:51,227 --> 01:07:53,267
Speaker 5: that was fine, but I remember a day when we

1311
01:07:53,387 --> 01:07:56,387
Speaker 5: had a huge frost and all these kids had to

1312
01:07:56,427 --> 01:07:58,747
Speaker 5: go out with beer feet on the frost and I

1313
01:07:58,787 --> 01:08:02,107
Speaker 5: was like watching sheep just screaming their heads off. They

1314
01:08:02,187 --> 01:08:05,507
Speaker 5: all cried. I made my kids wear his socks, but

1315
01:08:05,547 --> 01:08:08,027
Speaker 5: he wasn't allowed to wear shoes, but the referee he

1316
01:08:08,067 --> 01:08:10,507
Speaker 5: had to wear his shoes. So you know, there are

1317
01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:12,907
Speaker 5: different times, different atteachs, different rules.

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01:08:13,107 --> 01:08:14,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are, George. I've got to move because I've

1319
01:08:14,667 --> 01:08:16,547
Speaker 2: got some other course to get to. But thank you

1320
01:08:16,547 --> 01:08:18,147
Speaker 2: for making the points that you have. I appreciate it.

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01:08:18,187 --> 01:08:23,307
Speaker 15: Hello, Roger, you get a piney. I've coached a few

1322
01:08:23,467 --> 01:08:26,467
Speaker 15: of the junior grades through and we've had these situations

1323
01:08:26,947 --> 01:08:30,507
Speaker 15: a few years where and others I think mate to

1324
01:08:30,547 --> 01:08:33,427
Speaker 15: be honest about nineties ninety ninety five percent of these

1325
01:08:33,427 --> 01:08:36,827
Speaker 15: young guys, who'll have to call them bigger guys, they

1326
01:08:36,867 --> 01:08:39,907
Speaker 15: don't honestly make it that much of an impact on

1327
01:08:39,947 --> 01:08:42,747
Speaker 15: the game. They normally slided to the tackle. They're not

1328
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Speaker 15: running through scoring heads to tries. I can imagine, you know,

1329
01:08:45,587 --> 01:08:48,667
Speaker 15: John A. Lomi was different in his day and maybe

1330
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:51,227
Speaker 15: he probably wanted to play in their other grades. But yes,

1331
01:08:51,547 --> 01:08:53,467
Speaker 15: we had a decision in Hawk's Bay, I think to

1332
01:08:53,667 --> 01:08:56,667
Speaker 15: deny these bigger guys mid season, and it just broke

1333
01:08:56,707 --> 01:08:58,747
Speaker 15: the heart of a big sort of there's a bit

1334
01:08:58,747 --> 01:09:01,387
Speaker 15: of a challenged young fellaw he was there playing with

1335
01:09:01,427 --> 01:09:03,787
Speaker 15: his mates all through a skoolish challenge at schoolage challenge

1336
01:09:03,867 --> 01:09:07,027
Speaker 15: on the field, you know, and then these coaches are

1337
01:09:07,107 --> 01:09:07,867
Speaker 15: arguing it was.

1338
01:09:07,867 --> 01:09:08,947
Speaker 12: Just a disaster, mate.

1339
01:09:09,027 --> 01:09:12,267
Speaker 15: So I think that maybe a solution could be an

1340
01:09:12,267 --> 01:09:15,827
Speaker 15: assessment of these players ability preceive him by someone from

1341
01:09:15,827 --> 01:09:17,707
Speaker 15: the union. Maybe just to see lot you've got to

1342
01:09:17,747 --> 01:09:19,707
Speaker 15: run around these cornes, you've got to run, how faster

1343
01:09:19,827 --> 01:09:22,027
Speaker 15: you you've got to tackle? You know, maybe something like that,

1344
01:09:22,067 --> 01:09:24,427
Speaker 15: because there has to be common sense. It's just absurd

1345
01:09:24,547 --> 01:09:26,947
Speaker 15: that you denying these guys to play with your mates.

1346
01:09:26,747 --> 01:09:30,067
Speaker 2: Mate, Roger, the phrase you've used is the one again

1347
01:09:30,067 --> 01:09:32,947
Speaker 2: that should sit in the center. Common sense. You're absolutely right,

1348
01:09:32,947 --> 01:09:34,867
Speaker 2: there needs to be common sense. I quite like that,

1349
01:09:35,107 --> 01:09:37,987
Speaker 2: because you're right, some big kids are going to have

1350
01:09:38,027 --> 01:09:41,747
Speaker 2: a big advantage in the game, others aren't. Texts are

1351
01:09:41,787 --> 01:09:43,947
Speaker 2: here my understanding. North Harbor deal with this by having

1352
01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:47,027
Speaker 2: the bigger kids with different color socks. And they can't

1353
01:09:47,027 --> 01:09:49,227
Speaker 2: be used to take advantage of their weight. Ie, they

1354
01:09:49,267 --> 01:09:53,227
Speaker 2: can't just charge it up all the time. Innovation, nothing

1355
01:09:53,267 --> 01:09:55,667
Speaker 2: should be off the table. Have a bit of common sense,

1356
01:09:56,307 --> 01:10:00,147
Speaker 2: do things a bit differently, find a way, you know,

1357
01:10:00,227 --> 01:10:03,627
Speaker 2: the adultification of kids sport. Honestly, it's just, you know,

1358
01:10:03,667 --> 01:10:05,307
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that's coming through on text. He

1359
01:10:05,307 --> 01:10:08,787
Speaker 2: youre maybe he needs to find new friends who are

1360
01:10:08,787 --> 01:10:16,667
Speaker 2: a bit older. What what who are you? Hello?

1361
01:10:17,747 --> 01:10:17,987
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1362
01:10:18,027 --> 01:10:20,427
Speaker 12: Mate? Are you you're talking to one of these kids?

1363
01:10:21,907 --> 01:10:22,267
Speaker 12: I was.

1364
01:10:22,307 --> 01:10:22,627
Speaker 11: I was that.

1365
01:10:22,867 --> 01:10:28,427
Speaker 12: I was that kid and I I wanted to play

1366
01:10:28,467 --> 01:10:33,707
Speaker 12: with my friends and everybody was playing rugby at the time.

1367
01:10:34,307 --> 01:10:39,827
Speaker 12: I yeah, I enjoyed rugby, but I enjoyed being with

1368
01:10:39,867 --> 01:10:46,387
Speaker 12: my friends more. And you know, we had I was

1369
01:10:46,427 --> 01:10:54,107
Speaker 12: a kid that didn't enjoy hurting people, so when we are.

1370
01:10:54,507 --> 01:10:56,507
Speaker 12: I wasn't. I wasn't the fastest kid on the team

1371
01:10:57,107 --> 01:11:00,227
Speaker 12: by no stretch of the imagination. But you know, and

1372
01:11:00,267 --> 01:11:03,467
Speaker 12: I was easy to tackle, but I didn't like, I

1373
01:11:03,507 --> 01:11:05,507
Speaker 12: didn't go out to I didn't go out to hurt

1374
01:11:05,507 --> 01:11:09,667
Speaker 12: anybody that wasn't. That wasn't my idea. And what I

1375
01:11:09,667 --> 01:11:13,827
Speaker 12: suppose the point I'm making here, fine, is that people

1376
01:11:13,907 --> 01:11:16,667
Speaker 12: need to be able to look at look at the

1377
01:11:16,747 --> 01:11:22,067
Speaker 12: individual cases. I mean, there's there's there's a certain amount

1378
01:11:22,227 --> 01:11:27,627
Speaker 12: of you know, painting with the brush. But you know,

1379
01:11:27,907 --> 01:11:30,347
Speaker 12: when when this case, this sort of case comes up,

1380
01:11:31,107 --> 01:11:33,947
Speaker 12: people have to be able to look at the kid

1381
01:11:34,507 --> 01:11:37,827
Speaker 12: and and say, well, your not th it to anybody.

1382
01:11:39,067 --> 01:11:41,827
Speaker 12: You know, you're not going to hurt anybody further than play.

1383
01:11:42,627 --> 01:11:44,747
Speaker 12: And then that that everybody sort of has need to

1384
01:11:44,867 --> 01:11:47,547
Speaker 12: need to be able to get into that area of

1385
01:11:49,227 --> 01:11:51,707
Speaker 12: have have an individual look at it. Don't don't throw

1386
01:11:51,747 --> 01:11:53,707
Speaker 12: it all in a big melting pot and come up

1387
01:11:53,747 --> 01:11:56,707
Speaker 12: with this. You know, as I just heard somebody say,

1388
01:11:56,987 --> 01:12:01,947
Speaker 12: an adult, adult view of what these kids are trying

1389
01:12:01,947 --> 01:12:02,187
Speaker 12: to do.

1390
01:12:04,587 --> 01:12:07,427
Speaker 2: Did you did you strike up position like because you

1391
01:12:07,467 --> 01:12:10,107
Speaker 2: were slightly bigger than than other kids your own age,

1392
01:12:10,587 --> 01:12:13,027
Speaker 2: did you strike problems and in being able to play,

1393
01:12:13,107 --> 01:12:15,107
Speaker 2: or when you were playing as a kid, were you

1394
01:12:15,187 --> 01:12:16,587
Speaker 2: able to your friends.

1395
01:12:17,507 --> 01:12:17,867
Speaker 5: I wasn't.

1396
01:12:17,987 --> 01:12:21,107
Speaker 12: I wasn't allowed to play. And a lot of the

1397
01:12:21,147 --> 01:12:25,387
Speaker 12: times when when this will when this hale started, I

1398
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,187
Speaker 12: used to go to the rugby game and just I

1399
01:12:28,267 --> 01:12:31,587
Speaker 12: used to watch and because I was too big to play,

1400
01:12:31,907 --> 01:12:33,827
Speaker 12: I don't know, and they go, well, come and play

1401
01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:35,107
Speaker 12: with us. No, I don't want to play with you.

1402
01:12:37,067 --> 01:12:40,107
Speaker 12: I want to play with these guys. Because one of

1403
01:12:40,147 --> 01:12:42,227
Speaker 12: the coaches wanted me to go over to his team.

1404
01:12:43,027 --> 01:12:45,347
Speaker 12: And in fact, when I when I actually did, and

1405
01:12:45,387 --> 01:12:48,187
Speaker 12: this is this is a good thing about the club

1406
01:12:48,187 --> 01:12:54,187
Speaker 12: that they they went into bed and you know, they

1407
01:12:54,227 --> 01:12:59,947
Speaker 12: put for an individual case and the union at the

1408
01:12:59,987 --> 01:13:02,467
Speaker 12: time looked at it and said, okay, we'll give this

1409
01:13:02,547 --> 01:13:07,907
Speaker 12: a trial and they watched. I mean, it wasn't hard.

1410
01:13:08,787 --> 01:13:14,067
Speaker 12: It wasn't hard. They they they and I got to

1411
01:13:14,107 --> 01:13:16,827
Speaker 12: play with my friends and that was that was absolutely

1412
01:13:16,867 --> 01:13:18,907
Speaker 12: that was the whole point of the whole point of

1413
01:13:18,947 --> 01:13:21,547
Speaker 12: the thing. I didn't go on to well, I could

1414
01:13:21,587 --> 01:13:26,747
Speaker 12: have if I wanted to. But I did get selected

1415
01:13:26,787 --> 01:13:29,587
Speaker 12: for under twenty ones in the in the in the

1416
01:13:29,587 --> 01:13:32,147
Speaker 12: work up area. But I didn't. I didn't choose to

1417
01:13:32,147 --> 01:13:37,867
Speaker 12: follow it because that wasn't where my life was heading.

1418
01:13:38,867 --> 01:13:44,067
Speaker 12: So yeah, for this kid, I would like to see

1419
01:13:44,107 --> 01:13:47,387
Speaker 12: somebody stand up and say, here's an individual case. This

1420
01:13:47,507 --> 01:13:51,507
Speaker 12: is what this is, what is happening. Somebody make as

1421
01:13:51,507 --> 01:13:57,147
Speaker 12: you said, somebody make it happen otherwise, otherwise kids are

1422
01:13:57,147 --> 01:14:00,027
Speaker 12: going to walk. I mean, yeah, sure parents, parents get

1423
01:14:00,067 --> 01:14:04,107
Speaker 12: upset about seeing big boys on the paddock, but if

1424
01:14:04,107 --> 01:14:06,187
Speaker 12: you have, if you watch a game closely, there are

1425
01:14:06,507 --> 01:14:09,387
Speaker 12: ones that take advantage of his gives and really and

1426
01:14:09,427 --> 01:14:13,027
Speaker 12: really go out to hurt other kids. But the majority

1427
01:14:13,027 --> 01:14:17,347
Speaker 12: of these big kids that play in the know and

1428
01:14:17,427 --> 01:14:21,987
Speaker 12: their and their age group. I've got a grandson now,

1429
01:14:22,027 --> 01:14:26,787
Speaker 12: who's who who won't He won't isn't he places just

1430
01:14:26,867 --> 01:14:30,267
Speaker 12: like me? Isn't He doesn't want to hurt anybody? And

1431
01:14:30,267 --> 01:14:31,907
Speaker 12: then I say to me, you can, you can tackle

1432
01:14:31,947 --> 01:14:34,107
Speaker 12: him a bit better, and he goes, I know, I'm

1433
01:14:35,507 --> 01:14:41,987
Speaker 12: you might get hurt, And I know that's that's the

1434
01:14:41,987 --> 01:14:43,227
Speaker 12: way of a lot of kids now.

1435
01:14:43,827 --> 01:14:46,387
Speaker 2: Who It's been great to chat to you, mate. I'm

1436
01:14:46,387 --> 01:14:48,227
Speaker 2: glad it worked out for you. I hope it works

1437
01:14:48,227 --> 01:14:51,147
Speaker 2: out for your grandson as well. And I think you know,

1438
01:14:51,187 --> 01:14:53,947
Speaker 2: you've probably put quite a nice little cap on the

1439
01:14:53,987 --> 01:14:57,667
Speaker 2: end of this discussion and that yeah, common sense find

1440
01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:59,227
Speaker 2: a way. I don't know what the way is, of

1441
01:14:59,227 --> 01:15:02,747
Speaker 2: course I don't. I know that some of the ways

1442
01:15:02,747 --> 01:15:05,147
Speaker 2: that have been suggested here on text are not the

1443
01:15:05,227 --> 01:15:11,107
Speaker 2: way to go remove the barriers. Seventeen to two back

1444
01:15:11,107 --> 01:15:12,467
Speaker 2: after this talking Australian sport.

1445
01:15:13,187 --> 01:15:16,587
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1448
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1449
01:15:24,787 --> 01:15:27,267
Speaker 2: touch with Adam Peacock. He'll be along shortly to talk

1450
01:15:27,267 --> 01:15:31,987
Speaker 2: about Australian sporting matters. I was wrong about the semi

1451
01:15:32,027 --> 01:15:34,707
Speaker 2: finals of the squash. It looks like Paul Cole is

1452
01:15:34,707 --> 01:15:37,347
Speaker 2: in the second of the semis, so he is not

1453
01:15:37,427 --> 01:15:40,227
Speaker 2: on court at the moment. The first of the semis

1454
01:15:40,267 --> 01:15:43,947
Speaker 2: is on there right now, so Paul Cole will follow

1455
01:15:44,067 --> 01:15:47,027
Speaker 2: in the second of the semi finals. Checking out the

1456
01:15:47,267 --> 01:15:51,267
Speaker 2: basketball from Madison Square Garden where it is the New

1457
01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:54,987
Speaker 2: York Knicks not necessarily running away with it. I don't

1458
01:15:54,987 --> 01:15:58,187
Speaker 2: think it's say but they are certainly in a pretty

1459
01:15:58,307 --> 01:16:02,427
Speaker 2: strong position seventy seven forty three. They lead seventy seven

1460
01:16:02,427 --> 01:16:05,467
Speaker 2: to forty three with seven and a half minutes to

1461
01:16:05,507 --> 01:16:09,107
Speaker 2: go in the third quarter. So remembering that the New

1462
01:16:09,187 --> 01:16:11,067
Speaker 2: York Knicks are just one game away from making it

1463
01:16:11,107 --> 01:16:13,547
Speaker 2: through to the Eastern Conference Finals where they will take

1464
01:16:13,587 --> 01:16:17,667
Speaker 2: on the Indiana Paces and currently seventy seven forty three

1465
01:16:17,787 --> 01:16:19,187
Speaker 2: had as I say, with seven and a half minutes

1466
01:16:19,227 --> 01:16:23,787
Speaker 2: to go in the third quarter. Now, next weekend, we're

1467
01:16:23,787 --> 01:16:27,907
Speaker 2: going to broadcast the show from Tyler Street Sport, home

1468
01:16:28,107 --> 01:16:32,187
Speaker 2: of Auckland FC when they're away from home. If you

1469
01:16:32,227 --> 01:16:35,467
Speaker 2: get my drift, they are hosting tonight a special watch

1470
01:16:35,507 --> 01:16:38,627
Speaker 2: party for the away leg of their semi final against

1471
01:16:38,667 --> 01:16:42,627
Speaker 2: Melbourne victory. Unfortunately, if you haven't got your ticket to it,

1472
01:16:42,667 --> 01:16:44,987
Speaker 2: they're free tickets, but they can only take so many

1473
01:16:44,987 --> 01:16:47,467
Speaker 2: as a capacity issue, of course, you can only get

1474
01:16:47,467 --> 01:16:49,027
Speaker 2: so many people in there. If you haven't got your

1475
01:16:50,507 --> 01:16:53,867
Speaker 2: ticket to that tonight, it's over. It's basically full, so

1476
01:16:53,987 --> 01:16:55,547
Speaker 2: you can't go. But if you would like to join

1477
01:16:55,627 --> 01:16:58,587
Speaker 2: us at Tyler Street Sport next Saturday, we're going to

1478
01:16:58,587 --> 01:17:02,787
Speaker 2: be there between midday and three. Looking forward to chatting

1479
01:17:02,827 --> 01:17:04,747
Speaker 2: a bit of football and other things at Tyler Street

1480
01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:07,467
Speaker 2: Sport on the show next Saturday. The game is next

1481
01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:10,107
Speaker 2: Saturday night, the home leg of the semi final series

1482
01:17:10,507 --> 01:17:14,347
Speaker 2: six o'clock could go Metia Stadium. We have a double

1483
01:17:14,387 --> 01:17:17,467
Speaker 2: pass to give away to that game, courtesy of the

1484
01:17:17,507 --> 01:17:19,907
Speaker 2: team at Tyler Street Sport. They've said, yep, we've got

1485
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Speaker 2: a double pass which is which we're happy to give

1486
01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:25,427
Speaker 2: to you to give away. So if you would like

1487
01:17:25,507 --> 01:17:27,507
Speaker 2: to be in the draw to win it, all you

1488
01:17:27,587 --> 01:17:29,707
Speaker 2: have to do is text the word football to nine

1489
01:17:29,747 --> 01:17:31,867
Speaker 2: two nine two. You can add other things as well,

1490
01:17:31,947 --> 01:17:35,907
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1491
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Speaker 2: FC player, anything along those lines, and fire it off

1492
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Speaker 2: Make sure you've got that in there. If you don't

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01:17:45,827 --> 01:17:48,027
Speaker 2: have the word football in your text, it doesn't come

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01:17:48,067 --> 01:17:50,347
Speaker 2: to the right place, but if you do, it will

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01:17:51,347 --> 01:17:53,907
Speaker 2: nine two, nine to two. Just the word football. Send

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01:17:53,947 --> 01:17:55,987
Speaker 2: it on through to nine two, nine and two and

1498
01:17:56,067 --> 01:17:59,187
Speaker 2: we'll make a drawer at some stage before the end

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01:17:59,307 --> 01:18:02,987
Speaker 2: of the show. Just on eleven away from two. We'll

1500
01:18:03,107 --> 01:18:04,907
Speaker 2: keep trying for Adam Peacock take a break come back

1501
01:18:04,947 --> 01:18:05,467
Speaker 2: right after.

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01:18:05,307 --> 01:18:08,507
Speaker 1: This whens down to the line. You made a call

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01:18:08,707 --> 01:18:12,467
Speaker 1: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason

1504
01:18:12,547 --> 01:18:14,067
Speaker 1: Hine News Talk zeb.

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01:18:14,467 --> 01:18:16,867
Speaker 2: Just on eight away from two. I can't get in

1506
01:18:16,907 --> 01:18:18,627
Speaker 2: touch with that in Peacock, so let's open the lines

1507
01:18:18,667 --> 01:18:20,947
Speaker 2: again if you couldn't get through before, just to talk

1508
01:18:20,987 --> 01:18:23,347
Speaker 2: about the issue we've been chatting about this hour with

1509
01:18:23,467 --> 01:18:27,107
Speaker 2: regards to removing barriers to kids' sport. Oh eight hundred

1510
01:18:27,147 --> 01:18:28,987
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty And if you want to be

1511
01:18:28,987 --> 01:18:30,867
Speaker 2: in the drawer for the double past the football next

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01:18:30,907 --> 01:18:34,427
Speaker 2: Saturday night, just text football to nine two ninety two

1513
01:18:34,507 --> 01:18:36,427
Speaker 2: and we'll get you in the drawer. Courtesy of Tyler

1514
01:18:36,467 --> 01:18:39,587
Speaker 2: Street Sport. To watch Aukland FC up against Melbourne Victory

1515
01:18:39,907 --> 01:18:42,187
Speaker 2: a week tonight at go Media Stadium. That is a

1516
01:18:42,267 --> 01:18:45,347
Speaker 2: six o'clock kickoff. A few texts to get through before

1517
01:18:45,347 --> 01:18:48,067
Speaker 2: we get up to the news at two. This one

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01:18:48,107 --> 01:18:51,347
Speaker 2: from Craig who says the issue for the overweight kid

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01:18:51,467 --> 01:18:54,067
Speaker 2: isn't about him playing with his mates, It's about who

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01:18:54,147 --> 01:18:57,787
Speaker 2: they would be playing against. I've coached a young boys

1521
01:18:57,907 --> 01:18:59,987
Speaker 2: rugby team where a kid in the opposing team was

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01:19:00,027 --> 01:19:04,467
Speaker 2: granted dispensation. We simply had kids getting hurt and him

1523
01:19:04,467 --> 01:19:07,307
Speaker 2: being a ball hog with no good him his team

1524
01:19:07,507 --> 01:19:09,867
Speaker 2: or our boys. He eventually went to league. Yeah, I

1525
01:19:09,907 --> 01:19:13,347
Speaker 2: think that's it, Craig is. Yeah, not one size doesn't

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01:19:13,427 --> 01:19:16,467
Speaker 2: at all. There are going to be kids who are

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01:19:17,427 --> 01:19:21,027
Speaker 2: who are heavier, who are bigger, and who do take

1528
01:19:21,067 --> 01:19:22,907
Speaker 2: advantage of that. On the other hand, there were going

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01:19:22,947 --> 01:19:26,547
Speaker 2: to be others who aren't so And it's a very

1530
01:19:26,667 --> 01:19:29,147
Speaker 2: very tricky situation to try and navigate. I know that

1531
01:19:29,587 --> 01:19:32,427
Speaker 2: it's very very difficult to say, Okay, hey, this boy's

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01:19:32,427 --> 01:19:34,667
Speaker 2: and our team he wants to play with his friends. Look,

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01:19:34,667 --> 01:19:36,107
Speaker 2: he's not gonna he's not going to make much of

1534
01:19:36,147 --> 01:19:38,027
Speaker 2: a difference. He's actually not that good a player. He's

1535
01:19:38,027 --> 01:19:40,067
Speaker 2: not going to take it up. That's a very very

1536
01:19:40,467 --> 01:19:43,987
Speaker 2: unlikely situation to play out. But the North Harbor example

1537
01:19:44,027 --> 01:19:48,707
Speaker 2: of different color socks or whatever it was that basically said, look, yes,

1538
01:19:48,787 --> 01:19:52,267
Speaker 2: I'm over the weight restriction, therefore I can and can't

1539
01:19:52,267 --> 01:19:54,707
Speaker 2: do certain things. I don't know whether it's you can't

1540
01:19:54,827 --> 01:19:57,867
Speaker 2: you know, you can't tackle or something like that, or

1541
01:19:58,107 --> 01:20:00,147
Speaker 2: to tackle that boy, you just got to do it

1542
01:20:00,187 --> 01:20:02,947
Speaker 2: like rip a rugby. I don't know. Be innovative about it.

1543
01:20:04,707 --> 01:20:08,067
Speaker 2: You know, think outside this where as they say, James says,

1544
01:20:08,067 --> 01:20:11,067
Speaker 2: I say that him play. Kids and adults will always

1545
01:20:11,067 --> 01:20:13,147
Speaker 2: be different sizes, and there'll always be big kids and

1546
01:20:13,187 --> 01:20:16,947
Speaker 2: other teams. It makes the other players learn good tackle technique.

1547
01:20:17,067 --> 01:20:20,827
Speaker 2: What next they ban kids who are too fast? Coaches

1548
01:20:20,827 --> 01:20:23,467
Speaker 2: are very good these days at making sure a player

1549
01:20:23,467 --> 01:20:26,627
Speaker 2: on their team with an obvious advantage passes the ball

1550
01:20:26,947 --> 01:20:29,507
Speaker 2: and can't score all the time. James another very good point.

1551
01:20:29,907 --> 01:20:32,787
Speaker 2: I think that's a great point that if you're coaching

1552
01:20:32,907 --> 01:20:36,347
Speaker 2: in a team where you have a boy who's you know,

1553
01:20:36,747 --> 01:20:39,187
Speaker 2: even if he's not over what over the weight restriction?

1554
01:20:40,107 --> 01:20:41,587
Speaker 2: You know what it's like a kid's sport. There are

1555
01:20:41,667 --> 01:20:45,147
Speaker 2: kids who just stand out. You know, they'll score eight

1556
01:20:45,227 --> 01:20:48,507
Speaker 2: or nine tries a game because they're so much quicker

1557
01:20:48,507 --> 01:20:51,787
Speaker 2: than anybody else. So good coaching around that is without

1558
01:20:51,867 --> 01:20:55,347
Speaker 2: restricting his development or her development. Just say, hey, you know,

1559
01:20:55,587 --> 01:20:57,627
Speaker 2: once you've got three tries, we're going to make sure

1560
01:20:57,627 --> 01:21:00,187
Speaker 2: that you know you pass it or whatever it is.

1561
01:21:02,147 --> 01:21:02,387
Speaker 12: Hello.

1562
01:21:02,507 --> 01:21:06,227
Speaker 2: Jason says this text from Paul, this kid's nine kg

1563
01:21:06,427 --> 01:21:08,147
Speaker 2: heavier than the other nine year olds. That's one and

1564
01:21:08,147 --> 01:21:10,267
Speaker 2: a half stone. My son played against boys who were

1565
01:21:10,587 --> 01:21:12,227
Speaker 2: one and a half stone heavier than him. He was

1566
01:21:12,227 --> 01:21:16,387
Speaker 2: getting beaten up. I pulled him out of the team, Paul,

1567
01:21:16,427 --> 01:21:19,027
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, unfortunately. Yes, but I don't want

1568
01:21:19,147 --> 01:21:21,267
Speaker 2: your I don't want your son being pulled out of

1569
01:21:21,307 --> 01:21:24,707
Speaker 2: a team because he's worried about getting physically hurt. But

1570
01:21:25,307 --> 01:21:28,107
Speaker 2: by the same token, I don't want another kid having

1571
01:21:28,147 --> 01:21:33,907
Speaker 2: his access removed. Good text here from Si as a

1572
01:21:33,947 --> 01:21:36,427
Speaker 2: really small underage player who went on to play senior

1573
01:21:36,467 --> 01:21:39,507
Speaker 2: reserves for a number of years those massive players. When

1574
01:21:39,547 --> 01:21:42,587
Speaker 2: I was forty five kilos playing under sixteen, it was horrible,

1575
01:21:43,027 --> 01:21:45,707
Speaker 2: but I and we smaller boys who put on weight

1576
01:21:45,787 --> 01:21:49,067
Speaker 2: later learned to tackle the big boys with our good technique.

1577
01:21:49,107 --> 01:21:51,667
Speaker 2: That being said, if you lift those heavy boys up

1578
01:21:51,667 --> 01:21:55,507
Speaker 2: in age group playing equivalent weights, it would help because

1579
01:21:55,547 --> 01:22:00,467
Speaker 2: it definitely puts some players off. It is about fairness's side,

1580
01:22:00,507 --> 01:22:03,187
Speaker 2: that's why the rules are there, and just on the

1581
01:22:03,227 --> 01:22:07,987
Speaker 2: one about why doesn't he play up a grade? A

1582
01:22:08,027 --> 01:22:11,347
Speaker 2: good text from Deb. A nine year old is in

1583
01:22:11,347 --> 01:22:13,587
Speaker 2: no way as quick in the mind as an eleven

1584
01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:16,427
Speaker 2: year old, Equally a seven year old and a nine

1585
01:22:16,467 --> 01:22:19,067
Speaker 2: year old. There's a lot more to come to play

1586
01:22:19,267 --> 01:22:22,667
Speaker 2: in this situation. All right, I think we've done that one.

1587
01:22:23,027 --> 01:22:25,387
Speaker 2: Good to chat about it. Thank you to those who

1588
01:22:25,387 --> 01:22:28,067
Speaker 2: have texted in with your wide and varying views on this.

1589
01:22:29,347 --> 01:22:32,187
Speaker 2: We'll get on to some actual sport. I think after

1590
01:22:32,187 --> 01:22:35,107
Speaker 2: two o'clock I want to talk to John Slaco, who

1591
01:22:35,187 --> 01:22:38,227
Speaker 2: played for Crystal Palace in the FA Cup Final in

1592
01:22:38,347 --> 01:22:41,267
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. Crystal Palace are in this year's edition against

1593
01:22:41,307 --> 01:22:45,187
Speaker 2: Manchester City tomorrow morning. Camroy guards on the show after

1594
01:22:45,227 --> 01:22:48,787
Speaker 2: two o'clock Hurricanes half back and Philled Tarto ANGI talking

1595
01:22:48,907 --> 01:22:53,827
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox at the PGA Championship. Back after the News.

1596
01:22:53,907 --> 01:22:56,827
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1597
01:22:57,187 --> 01:23:00,507
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Wi Jam Sport with

1598
01:23:00,747 --> 01:23:03,667
Speaker 1: Jason Bade on your home of Sport.

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01:23:04,987 --> 01:23:08,267
Speaker 2: Talk T two o seven. Welcome in, Welcome back. This

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01:23:08,387 --> 01:23:10,467
Speaker 2: is Weekend Sport on News Talk CB. I'm Jason Pine,

1601
01:23:10,467 --> 01:23:12,707
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald producing the show where he till three. Then

1602
01:23:12,707 --> 01:23:16,587
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge takes over for the Saturday edition of the

1603
01:23:16,587 --> 01:23:19,947
Speaker 2: Weekend Collector. Before we get there, Camroy guard this our.

1604
01:23:20,587 --> 01:23:22,907
Speaker 2: The Hurricanes halfback was their hero last night in the

1605
01:23:22,947 --> 01:23:26,107
Speaker 2: eighty first minute, crashing over to score a try which

1606
01:23:26,107 --> 01:23:28,627
Speaker 2: got them the win over the Highlanders. Did they deserve it?

1607
01:23:28,747 --> 01:23:29,027
Speaker 10: To know?

1608
01:23:30,427 --> 01:23:33,587
Speaker 2: The Highlanders will be devastated with that. A win in

1609
01:23:33,667 --> 01:23:36,827
Speaker 2: Wellington would have kept their top six hopes alive. They

1610
01:23:36,867 --> 01:23:42,187
Speaker 2: look all but done now. They still mathematically can make it,

1611
01:23:42,227 --> 01:23:43,667
Speaker 2: but they need a lot of stuff to go their way.

1612
01:23:43,667 --> 01:23:45,827
Speaker 2: The Highlanders. That would have been a huge win for

1613
01:23:45,867 --> 01:23:48,347
Speaker 2: them last night had they achieved it. Instead, it's the

1614
01:23:48,427 --> 01:23:51,347
Speaker 2: Hurricanes to take the points. So Camroy guard this sour.

1615
01:23:51,467 --> 01:23:56,027
Speaker 2: John Silaco, former Crystal Palace attacker, is with us very shortly.

1616
01:23:56,307 --> 01:23:59,107
Speaker 2: He played in the FA Cup final in nineteen ninety

1617
01:23:59,427 --> 01:24:03,307
Speaker 2: against Manchester United. Also played five times for England, including

1618
01:24:03,347 --> 01:24:06,347
Speaker 2: twice here in New Zealand in nineteen ninety one. Again

1619
01:24:06,747 --> 01:24:09,467
Speaker 2: all whites Wonder how much he remembers about that? Wonder

1620
01:24:09,467 --> 01:24:13,027
Speaker 2: how much you remembers about THEFA Cup final thirty five

1621
01:24:13,107 --> 01:24:15,227
Speaker 2: years ago. John Solaco standing by the chat to us

1622
01:24:15,227 --> 01:24:17,987
Speaker 2: Phil Tarto Dungi. As well as we break down Ryan

1623
01:24:18,027 --> 01:24:22,267
Speaker 2: Fox's excellent recent form. First of a PGA Tour win

1624
01:24:22,267 --> 01:24:25,187
Speaker 2: a week ago at Myrtle Beach and two very good

1625
01:24:25,307 --> 01:24:28,227
Speaker 2: rounds well, one very good round and one very solid

1626
01:24:28,307 --> 01:24:31,387
Speaker 2: round at the PGA Championship four under the car. Through

1627
01:24:31,427 --> 01:24:34,467
Speaker 2: two rounds, he's easily made the cud. He's into Typhers seventh,

1628
01:24:35,227 --> 01:24:38,707
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox, you can text us any time nine two,

1629
01:24:38,747 --> 01:24:40,507
Speaker 2: nine to two, call us anytime our eight hundred and

1630
01:24:40,507 --> 01:24:43,707
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. But as we tick past eight pass two,

1631
01:24:43,827 --> 01:24:46,587
Speaker 2: as we always do at around about this time on

1632
01:24:46,667 --> 01:24:48,747
Speaker 2: weekend sport, let's get you across some of the stuff

1633
01:24:48,747 --> 01:24:52,387
Speaker 2: you might have missed. It's called in case you missed it.

1634
01:24:52,467 --> 01:24:57,107
Speaker 2: Starting in the NRL, a dreadful outing for the Newcastle

1635
01:24:57,187 --> 01:24:59,227
Speaker 2: Knights as they sunk to a big loss against the

1636
01:24:59,267 --> 01:25:00,107
Speaker 2: Paramatta Eels.

1637
01:25:00,227 --> 01:25:00,707
Speaker 11: Did they do.

1638
01:25:00,787 --> 01:25:04,147
Speaker 2: Something that's inside? It is Munton's.

1639
01:25:04,907 --> 01:25:06,867
Speaker 13: Sad to.

1640
01:25:09,507 --> 01:25:14,467
Speaker 2: Johnny said. Ronnie scores for the Earlsman and this is

1641
01:25:14,587 --> 01:25:19,467
Speaker 2: becoming him Fabrasic for Deja Eels. Twenty eighth Nights six

1642
01:25:19,547 --> 01:25:24,347
Speaker 2: Meantime Roosters wing Mark now Wakady Towasse scored a contender

1643
01:25:24,387 --> 01:25:27,747
Speaker 2: for Try of the Year. Ranley on Sabama. Kids are

1644
01:25:27,787 --> 01:25:30,827
Speaker 2: going todes go five, No longer need a arse get

1645
01:25:30,907 --> 01:25:32,787
Speaker 2: to the tenth little chip kick dead.

1646
01:25:33,027 --> 01:25:35,347
Speaker 13: Oh it's gonna down to the corner.

1647
01:25:35,627 --> 01:25:37,347
Speaker 2: Did he stays the whole way?

1648
01:25:38,187 --> 01:25:40,507
Speaker 14: This is an extraordinary.

1649
01:25:39,787 --> 01:25:43,107
Speaker 2: Try here, do yourself a favor and check that try

1650
01:25:43,147 --> 01:25:45,027
Speaker 2: out if you haven't seen it. It wasn't though, enough to

1651
01:25:45,067 --> 01:25:48,027
Speaker 2: lift the rooster's tour. When the bulldog's getting there. Twenty

1652
01:25:48,067 --> 01:25:49,547
Speaker 2: four to twenty there.

1653
01:25:49,467 --> 01:25:51,547
Speaker 7: Comes out of the haywood inside the.

1654
01:25:54,267 --> 01:25:57,827
Speaker 3: Sid s. Don't pack it for a yet, foll not

1655
01:25:58,107 --> 01:26:02,187
Speaker 3: always find a way and it's bed first under the sticks.

1656
01:26:02,747 --> 01:26:04,867
Speaker 2: There's got a football. A big Premier League win for

1657
01:26:04,987 --> 01:26:09,427
Speaker 2: Chelsea over Manchester, you know, to strengthen their Champions League chances.

1658
01:26:10,947 --> 01:26:16,347
Speaker 2: Tuex am across and cook correct one call that to

1659
01:26:16,427 --> 01:26:20,107
Speaker 2: the other and Chelsea have a Treasures League which they

1660
01:26:20,387 --> 01:26:22,707
Speaker 2: held on to winning one mill at home. Eston Villa

1661
01:26:22,827 --> 01:26:26,707
Speaker 2: also winners, putting themselves in the Champions League. Conversation with

1662
01:26:26,747 --> 01:26:35,907
Speaker 2: the home victory over Tottenham opens up for him better.

1663
01:26:36,427 --> 01:26:39,307
Speaker 2: Two goals to the good and.

1664
01:26:39,547 --> 01:26:43,347
Speaker 10: That means of our hopes will be alive going into

1665
01:26:43,347 --> 01:26:44,427
Speaker 10: the final day.

1666
01:26:44,707 --> 01:26:47,467
Speaker 2: And closer to home. Melbourne City have gone a long

1667
01:26:47,547 --> 01:26:50,547
Speaker 2: way to making the A League Men's Grand Final with

1668
01:26:50,707 --> 01:26:53,907
Speaker 2: a big win in the semi final first leg against

1669
01:26:53,907 --> 01:26:55,227
Speaker 2: Western United.

1670
01:26:56,467 --> 01:27:01,027
Speaker 18: And coin all that's a glorious goal won to finish.

1671
01:27:01,947 --> 01:27:05,387
Speaker 2: Body is running international. That is a finish That's hot

1672
01:27:05,507 --> 01:27:08,667
Speaker 2: quality at Melbourne City Double.

1673
01:27:08,587 --> 01:27:09,107
Speaker 10: M as.

1674
01:27:10,667 --> 01:27:13,387
Speaker 1: The scoop from the track Field and the Court on

1675
01:27:13,427 --> 01:27:15,867
Speaker 1: your home of sort Weekend Sport with.

1676
01:27:16,187 --> 01:27:19,987
Speaker 2: Jason coming up eleven past two. One of the biggest

1677
01:27:20,067 --> 01:27:22,787
Speaker 2: days on the English football calendar comes up tomorrow morning,

1678
01:27:22,867 --> 01:27:27,147
Speaker 2: the FA Cup Final at Wembley Stadium, seven time winners

1679
01:27:27,227 --> 01:27:31,547
Speaker 2: Manchester City playing in their third straight final against Crystal Palace,

1680
01:27:31,947 --> 01:27:35,627
Speaker 2: playing in their third final ever. Having never lifted the

1681
01:27:35,627 --> 01:27:38,467
Speaker 2: famous trophy, they came close a couple of times. One

1682
01:27:38,507 --> 01:27:41,347
Speaker 2: of the most famous FA Cup finals of all time

1683
01:27:41,987 --> 01:27:47,307
Speaker 2: was in nineteen to ninety when Crystal Palace faced Manchester United. Yes, ye,

1684
01:27:47,347 --> 01:27:48,267
Speaker 2: his first Chester.

1685
01:27:48,027 --> 01:27:48,787
Speaker 1: To show what he can do.

1686
01:27:49,347 --> 01:27:49,707
Speaker 16: He's do.

1687
01:27:52,867 --> 01:27:55,667
Speaker 2: Because it's too.

1688
01:28:00,987 --> 01:28:16,147
Speaker 3: Harber's old position be then is challenging him?

1689
01:28:16,467 --> 01:28:18,467
Speaker 14: Stop couple name one.

1690
01:28:18,387 --> 01:28:21,627
Speaker 2: Of the great substitutions. Yeah, A couple of goals for

1691
01:28:22,067 --> 01:28:26,667
Speaker 2: Ian Wright that day in nineteen ninety, Crystal Palace three,

1692
01:28:27,107 --> 01:28:31,867
Speaker 2: Manchester United three after extra time. Manchester United went on

1693
01:28:31,947 --> 01:28:35,147
Speaker 2: to win the replay one nil. Five days later. John

1694
01:28:35,227 --> 01:28:38,827
Speaker 2: Silaco was part of that Crystal Palace. Sciety also played

1695
01:28:38,867 --> 01:28:42,827
Speaker 2: five times for England, including twice here in New Zealand

1696
01:28:42,867 --> 01:28:45,627
Speaker 2: against the all Whites in nineteen ninety one, he joins

1697
01:28:45,667 --> 01:28:47,227
Speaker 2: us Now, John, A great pleasure to have you on

1698
01:28:47,267 --> 01:28:50,587
Speaker 2: the show. How often does your mind drift back thirty

1699
01:28:50,587 --> 01:28:53,667
Speaker 2: five years to the nineteen ninety FA Cup final?

1700
01:28:54,987 --> 01:28:58,387
Speaker 18: Oh incredible, incredible day, just as much as when I

1701
01:28:58,467 --> 01:29:00,787
Speaker 18: made my dabut in Australian played out in New Zealand.

1702
01:29:00,827 --> 01:29:05,027
Speaker 18: So look, it's magical, twenty one year old going out.

1703
01:29:05,587 --> 01:29:08,507
Speaker 18: You know, when you grow up in England, you know

1704
01:29:08,587 --> 01:29:11,787
Speaker 18: the FA Cups were magical. It's so special, it really is.

1705
01:29:12,187 --> 01:29:15,467
Speaker 18: It's a fairy tale. It's one of those magical things

1706
01:29:15,507 --> 01:29:19,467
Speaker 18: where any anything's possible and the minnos go up against

1707
01:29:19,787 --> 01:29:24,067
Speaker 18: the superstars and you know, nineteen ninety was just so special.

1708
01:29:24,227 --> 01:29:27,387
Speaker 18: And then obviously going on to that was you know,

1709
01:29:27,467 --> 01:29:30,307
Speaker 18: Liverpool in the semi final Villa Park for three was

1710
01:29:30,507 --> 01:29:31,667
Speaker 18: just the most amazing.

1711
01:29:31,747 --> 01:29:32,347
Speaker 21: The FA Cup.

1712
01:29:32,427 --> 01:29:35,107
Speaker 18: They you know, they'd smashed the eighties, you know, I

1713
01:29:35,107 --> 01:29:37,907
Speaker 18: think they'd won the league eight times, the league, the Cups.

1714
01:29:38,747 --> 01:29:40,387
Speaker 18: They were the team to beat them and it was

1715
01:29:40,427 --> 01:29:43,227
Speaker 18: a change in the guards really from Liverpool to Mona United,

1716
01:29:43,267 --> 01:29:46,867
Speaker 18: Sir Alex Ferguson and you know then going on to

1717
01:29:46,987 --> 01:29:49,467
Speaker 18: play for England you know, Unified Germany at Wembley and

1718
01:29:49,467 --> 01:29:52,147
Speaker 18: then obviously I made my debut in Australia and going

1719
01:29:52,187 --> 01:29:55,267
Speaker 18: to play twice in New Zealand was just Auckland and

1720
01:29:55,267 --> 01:29:57,267
Speaker 18: went into It was just it was incredible to pull

1721
01:29:57,307 --> 01:30:00,627
Speaker 18: on that shirt. It's just magical. So they're what you

1722
01:30:00,707 --> 01:30:03,387
Speaker 18: dream of, Jason, when you're a kid. And you know,

1723
01:30:03,667 --> 01:30:05,267
Speaker 18: I speak to kids and I coach kids and I

1724
01:30:05,267 --> 01:30:07,827
Speaker 18: talked to them all the time. It's there to dream.

1725
01:30:07,987 --> 01:30:11,427
Speaker 18: There there to to you know, to work hard and

1726
01:30:11,627 --> 01:30:13,547
Speaker 18: you know, put pictures in your head. And I was

1727
01:30:13,587 --> 01:30:16,627
Speaker 18: just one of those kids that just dared to dream

1728
01:30:16,667 --> 01:30:18,867
Speaker 18: and I just loved it. I spent all my working

1729
01:30:18,907 --> 01:30:22,387
Speaker 18: hours playing football, playing sport and just daring to dream

1730
01:30:22,427 --> 01:30:24,627
Speaker 18: that I could one day play in the Premier League

1731
01:30:24,667 --> 01:30:25,747
Speaker 18: in an f A Cup final.

1732
01:30:25,987 --> 01:30:28,827
Speaker 21: Pull on the pull on an England shirt. Wow.

1733
01:30:29,187 --> 01:30:33,067
Speaker 18: And yeah, it's pretty pretty pretty amazing that you know

1734
01:30:33,147 --> 01:30:35,467
Speaker 18: that that came true. And you know, I've got Sello's Park.

1735
01:30:36,027 --> 01:30:38,307
Speaker 18: I've got one of the limited editions of Sello's Park

1736
01:30:38,547 --> 01:30:41,507
Speaker 18: on my wall. I've got some England shirt, Brazil shirt

1737
01:30:41,707 --> 01:30:46,307
Speaker 18: that my German shirt that I got off uh sorry Muller.

1738
01:30:47,867 --> 01:30:51,267
Speaker 18: When I played against Germany, the unified German side. So

1739
01:30:51,827 --> 01:30:53,987
Speaker 18: not a day goes by that I don't think about

1740
01:30:54,627 --> 01:30:55,427
Speaker 18: how special that.

1741
01:30:55,507 --> 01:30:59,107
Speaker 2: Was, amazing to what great memories. I'm getting goosebumps even

1742
01:30:59,187 --> 01:31:01,587
Speaker 2: hearing you talk about it. So walking out at Wimbley,

1743
01:31:01,587 --> 01:31:04,027
Speaker 2: you talk about it being a dream of every young boy. Uh,

1744
01:31:04,307 --> 01:31:06,307
Speaker 2: and you're so right. So when you did it walk

1745
01:31:06,347 --> 01:31:09,267
Speaker 2: looking out at Wimbley as a twenty one year old,

1746
01:31:09,467 --> 01:31:13,427
Speaker 2: were you able to be aware of the situation as

1747
01:31:13,467 --> 01:31:15,147
Speaker 2: it was happening to you order do you have to

1748
01:31:15,147 --> 01:31:16,347
Speaker 2: reflect back on it later?

1749
01:31:17,267 --> 01:31:20,347
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's a great question in a sense where you

1750
01:31:20,387 --> 01:31:23,027
Speaker 18: know what it is that once we beat Liverpool in

1751
01:31:23,067 --> 01:31:25,707
Speaker 18: that semi final and we pink, you know, it was

1752
01:31:25,747 --> 01:31:29,507
Speaker 18: a pinch yourself moment? Did that really happen? Then you

1753
01:31:29,507 --> 01:31:31,627
Speaker 18: start thinking about the final. Then it starts building up

1754
01:31:31,667 --> 01:31:34,267
Speaker 18: and there's flags and everyone's talking about it. You go

1755
01:31:34,387 --> 01:31:37,027
Speaker 18: to as there are test goes and even the oh

1756
01:31:37,147 --> 01:31:39,587
Speaker 18: good luck in the final. You know everyone is talking

1757
01:31:39,587 --> 01:31:41,307
Speaker 18: at Man United, the biggest club in the world. You know,

1758
01:31:41,347 --> 01:31:44,587
Speaker 18: everyone's talking about You're playing Man United in the FA

1759
01:31:44,627 --> 01:31:47,627
Speaker 18: Cup final. It's you know it, And then you realize

1760
01:31:47,667 --> 01:31:49,627
Speaker 18: you go through the taxis and you start training and

1761
01:31:49,667 --> 01:31:52,107
Speaker 18: you try not to get injured, and you get to

1762
01:31:52,147 --> 01:31:54,267
Speaker 18: the day and I can just you know, you remember,

1763
01:31:54,307 --> 01:31:56,427
Speaker 18: and what you do is I remember the night before,

1764
01:31:56,467 --> 01:31:59,387
Speaker 18: but it's like you know you've been there and you

1765
01:31:59,547 --> 01:32:02,147
Speaker 18: try and keep the lid on it. But how do

1766
01:32:02,187 --> 01:32:04,267
Speaker 18: you do that? And really what I used to do

1767
01:32:04,427 --> 01:32:10,107
Speaker 18: is and the technique and really for for for sports players.

1768
01:32:10,627 --> 01:32:12,507
Speaker 18: You know, I was just talking about we're just watching

1769
01:32:12,507 --> 01:32:15,707
Speaker 18: the tennis now, and you know it's a team sport.

1770
01:32:15,747 --> 01:32:18,747
Speaker 18: It's not it's individuals that are playing in the team sports.

1771
01:32:18,747 --> 01:32:20,867
Speaker 18: So you've just got to look after yourself. You've got

1772
01:32:20,867 --> 01:32:23,667
Speaker 18: to get yourself right, and you go through your routine.

1773
01:32:23,867 --> 01:32:25,507
Speaker 21: What makes you go to sleep? You know, you get

1774
01:32:25,507 --> 01:32:25,987
Speaker 21: your sleep.

1775
01:32:26,427 --> 01:32:28,827
Speaker 18: You know, eat, you know you've got like Richard Shaw,

1776
01:32:28,947 --> 01:32:32,387
Speaker 18: my my room partner, he had a slightly to eat.

1777
01:32:32,427 --> 01:32:34,427
Speaker 18: He would like to get up early for breakfast. I

1778
01:32:34,747 --> 01:32:37,027
Speaker 18: wanted to lie in you know, he would, I would.

1779
01:32:37,107 --> 01:32:38,627
Speaker 18: I would like to go to bed at half ten.

1780
01:32:38,947 --> 01:32:41,027
Speaker 18: I would have to turn the telly off at two

1781
01:32:41,067 --> 01:32:42,307
Speaker 18: o'clock in the morning because he used to go to

1782
01:32:42,347 --> 01:32:44,627
Speaker 18: sleep with the telly on. It was like, oh my god,

1783
01:32:44,747 --> 01:32:47,867
Speaker 18: you know, you had so many things this all, but

1784
01:32:48,027 --> 01:32:48,947
Speaker 18: you deal with all that.

1785
01:32:49,067 --> 01:32:49,627
Speaker 21: You get out.

1786
01:32:49,787 --> 01:32:51,467
Speaker 18: You go for a walk and I can remember going

1787
01:32:51,467 --> 01:32:53,747
Speaker 18: for a walk with Ian Right and Mark Bright and

1788
01:32:53,787 --> 01:32:57,227
Speaker 18: the boys, and you know, you've got press and everyone,

1789
01:32:57,267 --> 01:33:00,147
Speaker 18: and you know, Ian Wright's just like I'm born for today.

1790
01:33:00,267 --> 01:33:02,067
Speaker 21: You know, he was just so positive.

1791
01:33:02,107 --> 01:33:04,547
Speaker 18: And you got the guys and you get around each other,

1792
01:33:04,667 --> 01:33:08,067
Speaker 18: and that's where then team comes in and you get

1793
01:33:08,067 --> 01:33:10,387
Speaker 18: the boys and you're like, yeah, we're ready for today,

1794
01:33:10,427 --> 01:33:12,387
Speaker 18: and you start talking about it. And then once you

1795
01:33:12,427 --> 01:33:14,027
Speaker 18: go off that coach and you get up Wembley, you

1796
01:33:14,027 --> 01:33:16,107
Speaker 18: walk up Wembley Way and you look around and you know,

1797
01:33:16,187 --> 01:33:19,387
Speaker 18: you start of start getting starry eyed, and and then

1798
01:33:19,667 --> 01:33:22,787
Speaker 18: you know, Steve Copple comes back in right heading the game.

1799
01:33:23,507 --> 01:33:26,867
Speaker 21: Forget the occasion heading the game. These are the tactics. Bang.

1800
01:33:26,987 --> 01:33:28,867
Speaker 18: Once you start getting there, you choose your starts. You

1801
01:33:28,907 --> 01:33:31,027
Speaker 18: know what you're doing, and once you're in that dress room,

1802
01:33:31,147 --> 01:33:33,547
Speaker 18: you got your you've got your focus head on. And

1803
01:33:33,707 --> 01:33:34,867
Speaker 18: to be honest, you know, you come out of that

1804
01:33:34,907 --> 01:33:37,227
Speaker 18: tunnel and the second time you come back up there,

1805
01:33:37,907 --> 01:33:40,267
Speaker 18: the stadium's full. You've got the Queen there, you know,

1806
01:33:40,347 --> 01:33:43,187
Speaker 18: you know, the Union, jacksonp flying and the you know,

1807
01:33:43,827 --> 01:33:46,427
Speaker 18: you know, the national anthem's playing, and you're looking at

1808
01:33:46,467 --> 01:33:50,467
Speaker 18: Sir Alex Ferguson and Brian Robson and you're thinking, right, okay,

1809
01:33:50,587 --> 01:33:54,907
Speaker 18: let's focus here, and then it's it's it's ninety minutes.

1810
01:33:54,987 --> 01:33:57,747
Speaker 18: You don't remember a thing. You're just in the game,

1811
01:33:58,907 --> 01:34:01,507
Speaker 18: and that's what it's about. And that's really that mentality

1812
01:34:02,707 --> 01:34:05,427
Speaker 18: of listen, you can't enjoy the game.

1813
01:34:05,467 --> 01:34:06,267
Speaker 21: You just got gun play.

1814
01:34:06,507 --> 01:34:10,267
Speaker 18: And unfortunately it should have been extra time and pens

1815
01:34:10,347 --> 01:34:12,027
Speaker 18: it wasn't at that time. We went to a replan

1816
01:34:12,107 --> 01:34:14,107
Speaker 18: the Thursday, and it's a little bit of an anti

1817
01:34:14,147 --> 01:34:17,467
Speaker 18: climax and yeah, Lee Martin whatever whatever may not in anyway,

1818
01:34:17,787 --> 01:34:21,747
Speaker 18: and I think my overriding that Thursday, when I was

1819
01:34:21,787 --> 01:34:25,267
Speaker 18: walking past that FA Cup as a loser, I hated that.

1820
01:34:26,027 --> 01:34:29,027
Speaker 18: I did look at my losers medal for about twenty

1821
01:34:29,147 --> 01:34:31,947
Speaker 18: years because I didn't want to see it. I hated

1822
01:34:31,987 --> 01:34:35,347
Speaker 18: that losers medal. But then after about twenty years, you go,

1823
01:34:35,587 --> 01:34:38,147
Speaker 18: I played an FA Cup final and I've got a

1824
01:34:38,187 --> 01:34:41,067
Speaker 18: losers medal which is made of solid gold, and it's great.

1825
01:34:41,187 --> 01:34:44,307
Speaker 18: So I'm here now and I'm grateful for that losers medal,

1826
01:34:44,347 --> 01:34:45,107
Speaker 18: but for a long time.

1827
01:34:45,147 --> 01:34:46,867
Speaker 21: I didn't really want it.

1828
01:34:47,747 --> 01:34:49,467
Speaker 2: You mentioned Ian right there. I think it was under

1829
01:34:49,507 --> 01:34:51,747
Speaker 2: an injury cloud coming into the FA Cup final, came

1830
01:34:51,747 --> 01:34:54,187
Speaker 2: off the bench, got two goals. Here do you were

1831
01:34:54,227 --> 01:34:55,187
Speaker 2: hit an extra time?

1832
01:34:56,387 --> 01:34:57,347
Speaker 21: How does he rate?

1833
01:34:57,467 --> 01:35:00,387
Speaker 2: Where does he rate among the players you played alongside?

1834
01:35:00,427 --> 01:35:00,827
Speaker 21: Ian Wright?

1835
01:35:01,747 --> 01:35:04,987
Speaker 18: No, he's the greatest, He's the best. He was incredible.

1836
01:35:05,027 --> 01:35:07,107
Speaker 18: I think Ian was one of those but it was

1837
01:35:07,147 --> 01:35:07,707
Speaker 18: just meant to be.

1838
01:35:08,027 --> 01:35:08,387
Speaker 21: He was.

1839
01:35:09,467 --> 01:35:12,467
Speaker 18: He was like, you know, sort of someone who almost

1840
01:35:12,507 --> 01:35:16,747
Speaker 18: passed him by. He was twenty one. You know, he'd

1841
01:35:16,747 --> 01:35:18,547
Speaker 18: been a little bit of trouble. He'd playing you know,

1842
01:35:18,627 --> 01:35:20,987
Speaker 18: non league, and he tried and he tried. I think

1843
01:35:21,027 --> 01:35:23,947
Speaker 18: he you know, Debbie, his other half was pregnant, and

1844
01:35:24,227 --> 01:35:26,427
Speaker 18: you know, he'd worked on the roads. I think he's

1845
01:35:26,467 --> 01:35:29,627
Speaker 18: working on a building site. And he knew he wanted it,

1846
01:35:29,667 --> 01:35:31,987
Speaker 18: and then he got this opportunity to come to Palace

1847
01:35:32,027 --> 01:35:35,747
Speaker 18: and he just took it with every piece of his heart.

1848
01:35:35,827 --> 01:35:38,067
Speaker 18: And you know, he just came and left nothing. And

1849
01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:40,867
Speaker 18: you talk about never not leaving anything behind.

1850
01:35:41,787 --> 01:35:42,227
Speaker 21: We used to.

1851
01:35:42,587 --> 01:35:44,467
Speaker 18: He just wanted it so much and we used to

1852
01:35:44,467 --> 01:35:46,587
Speaker 18: come in and you know, it was brilliant for all

1853
01:35:46,587 --> 01:35:49,467
Speaker 18: of us who's had Nigel Mine and May Verschu Shaw,

1854
01:35:49,547 --> 01:35:52,747
Speaker 18: Mark Bright and Jeff Thomas and Nigel Martin and he

1855
01:35:52,827 --> 01:35:55,027
Speaker 18: come in right, Nigel, you're getting gold on. You crossed

1856
01:35:55,027 --> 01:35:57,347
Speaker 18: the balls for me and you know we were always

1857
01:35:57,667 --> 01:35:59,347
Speaker 18: working on it. Did you see what that you know

1858
01:35:59,387 --> 01:36:02,227
Speaker 18: Brazilian Ronaldo did last night? And you know we were

1859
01:36:02,267 --> 01:36:05,107
Speaker 18: talking about Barcelona Real Madrid and we were talking.

1860
01:36:04,787 --> 01:36:09,387
Speaker 21: About you know, Dan and Figo and Badgio and you.

1861
01:36:09,307 --> 01:36:12,347
Speaker 18: Know we'll be practicing tricks and it was all of it.

1862
01:36:12,507 --> 01:36:14,867
Speaker 18: We lived and breathed football and it was down to Ian.

1863
01:36:14,947 --> 01:36:18,067
Speaker 18: But he was one of those players that genuinely I

1864
01:36:18,067 --> 01:36:20,547
Speaker 18: can remember, as you said, he had a broken leg.

1865
01:36:20,627 --> 01:36:22,867
Speaker 18: He went to a faith HeLa and he came and

1866
01:36:22,867 --> 01:36:25,147
Speaker 18: and at halftime we were one nail down against Liverpool

1867
01:36:25,147 --> 01:36:27,347
Speaker 18: in the semifinal the FA Cup at Villa Park and

1868
01:36:27,067 --> 01:36:30,707
Speaker 18: he came in and before Steve Copple could say anything,

1869
01:36:30,747 --> 01:36:33,547
Speaker 18: he came in and he was he's so animated, He's

1870
01:36:33,787 --> 01:36:36,547
Speaker 18: larger than life. Ian and he was like, we still

1871
01:36:36,587 --> 01:36:38,747
Speaker 18: got this, we can still do this and if any

1872
01:36:38,787 --> 01:36:39,907
Speaker 18: of you don't want.

1873
01:36:39,907 --> 01:36:42,187
Speaker 21: It, don't fancy, I'll take your shirt. I'll play with

1874
01:36:42,227 --> 01:36:42,867
Speaker 21: a broken leg.

1875
01:36:42,907 --> 01:36:45,787
Speaker 18: And you know he was just so passionate and so

1876
01:36:46,947 --> 01:36:49,987
Speaker 18: you know, so driven, and we all I think we

1877
01:36:50,027 --> 01:36:52,867
Speaker 18: all got something from that. And that was Ian And

1878
01:36:53,027 --> 01:36:55,747
Speaker 18: we played in that cup final and he hadn't trained,

1879
01:36:56,027 --> 01:36:59,787
Speaker 18: he had a fractured a headline fracture in his leg,

1880
01:36:59,827 --> 01:37:02,067
Speaker 18: and he came back and he came on and he

1881
01:37:02,107 --> 01:37:07,107
Speaker 18: scored two goals and absolutely incredible and it's just such

1882
01:37:07,107 --> 01:37:09,427
Speaker 18: a shame that we couldn't see it out and win

1883
01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:11,027
Speaker 18: it on that day, because I think he deserved that.

1884
01:37:11,067 --> 01:37:13,547
Speaker 21: But listen, he went on to greater things.

1885
01:37:13,907 --> 01:37:15,467
Speaker 18: I should have got to move to Arsenal as well

1886
01:37:15,507 --> 01:37:18,427
Speaker 18: at the time, but they didn't let that happen. But anyway,

1887
01:37:18,507 --> 01:37:22,227
Speaker 18: let's time. But yeah, Righty went on to Arsenal and

1888
01:37:22,267 --> 01:37:24,147
Speaker 18: I knew he would do that and what he went

1889
01:37:24,187 --> 01:37:26,787
Speaker 18: on to achieve with Arsenal and just one of the

1890
01:37:26,827 --> 01:37:29,587
Speaker 18: true greats and all time best players. But he's one

1891
01:37:29,627 --> 01:37:31,587
Speaker 18: of my favorite all time people.

1892
01:37:32,347 --> 01:37:34,827
Speaker 2: You just mentioned something there about you going to the

1893
01:37:34,867 --> 01:37:37,947
Speaker 2: Gunners as well. I think i'd remember something about it.

1894
01:37:37,987 --> 01:37:39,547
Speaker 2: What happened? Why didn't you get the move?

1895
01:37:40,267 --> 01:37:40,467
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1896
01:37:40,547 --> 01:37:43,227
Speaker 18: No, George Graham came in and offered a million pounds

1897
01:37:43,227 --> 01:37:44,867
Speaker 18: for me at the time, and they wanted to take

1898
01:37:44,907 --> 01:37:48,867
Speaker 18: me and Palace were willing to sell at any price.

1899
01:37:48,867 --> 01:37:50,467
Speaker 18: They just said no and that we ended up selling

1900
01:37:50,547 --> 01:37:52,787
Speaker 18: Eddi mcgoldwick for a million pound. That tidd the box

1901
01:37:52,787 --> 01:37:55,667
Speaker 18: at the time for Ron Noades and I didn't find it, no,

1902
01:37:55,707 --> 01:37:57,947
Speaker 18: because I think Sir Alex came in at man United,

1903
01:37:58,947 --> 01:38:06,267
Speaker 18: Graham Sooners at Liverpool and Graham yeah at George Graham

1904
01:38:06,467 --> 01:38:08,867
Speaker 18: Arsal sorry came in for me at the time, but

1905
01:38:08,907 --> 01:38:12,267
Speaker 18: they weren't selling, so I didn't get my move. But unfortunately,

1906
01:38:12,987 --> 01:38:16,107
Speaker 18: not long after that that Australasia tour where we I

1907
01:38:16,107 --> 01:38:18,627
Speaker 18: think we played Australian New Zingaland twice and then Malaysia.

1908
01:38:18,667 --> 01:38:20,987
Speaker 18: I came back, you know sort of I was sort

1909
01:38:20,987 --> 01:38:23,707
Speaker 18: of best thing since sliced Bread, which was incredible. Then

1910
01:38:24,267 --> 01:38:27,387
Speaker 18: unfortunately the following season started and I got injured against

1911
01:38:27,467 --> 01:38:27,867
Speaker 18: Leeds and.

1912
01:38:28,467 --> 01:38:29,427
Speaker 21: Did my cruise ye.

1913
01:38:30,947 --> 01:38:33,507
Speaker 18: Bummer as I don't know what would you say, Yeah,

1914
01:38:33,547 --> 01:38:37,227
Speaker 18: it's a cruel game that was That was Yeah.

1915
01:38:37,147 --> 01:38:40,027
Speaker 21: That was pretty pretty bad.

1916
01:38:40,027 --> 01:38:41,627
Speaker 18: So I got Yeah, I got back in England side

1917
01:38:41,627 --> 01:38:43,307
Speaker 18: and then it went again, so it was kind of

1918
01:38:43,307 --> 01:38:46,667
Speaker 18: a bit. Yeah, it was a rubbish time, but yeah,

1919
01:38:46,787 --> 01:38:48,787
Speaker 18: so I got through thirty six, but twenty one, when

1920
01:38:48,827 --> 01:38:50,587
Speaker 18: you're playing in the FA Car, when you're playing against

1921
01:38:50,587 --> 01:38:54,107
Speaker 18: the World champions Germany at Wembley, you think it's going

1922
01:38:54,187 --> 01:38:57,067
Speaker 18: to happen to you every season and that's where it's

1923
01:38:57,067 --> 01:38:59,987
Speaker 18: going to live. And unfortunately, sometimes, you know, life, life

1924
01:39:00,027 --> 01:39:02,947
Speaker 18: does that to you, doesn't quite give you what you're

1925
01:39:02,987 --> 01:39:03,547
Speaker 18: hoping for.

1926
01:39:03,627 --> 01:39:05,467
Speaker 21: But listen, I think.

1927
01:39:05,347 --> 01:39:08,587
Speaker 18: You you know, you you learn to accept that you

1928
01:39:08,667 --> 01:39:10,907
Speaker 18: get certain set of cards and you get certain things.

1929
01:39:10,907 --> 01:39:13,627
Speaker 18: And I'm one of those people that goes, oh, do

1930
01:39:13,627 --> 01:39:15,027
Speaker 18: you know what did you get England caps?

1931
01:39:15,107 --> 01:39:15,267
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1932
01:39:15,587 --> 01:39:17,667
Speaker 21: And he got five and you go you got five,

1933
01:39:17,907 --> 01:39:19,187
Speaker 21: you got one, you got five?

1934
01:39:19,787 --> 01:39:20,027
Speaker 1: Wow.

1935
01:39:20,227 --> 01:39:24,147
Speaker 18: You know, it's those conversations I find myself going, wow,

1936
01:39:24,187 --> 01:39:25,267
Speaker 18: I got five England caps.

1937
01:39:25,307 --> 01:39:25,467
Speaker 13: You know.

1938
01:39:25,987 --> 01:39:28,387
Speaker 18: I played in the FA Cup final and you know

1939
01:39:28,387 --> 01:39:31,267
Speaker 18: the year before we'd won the Zenith, we beat Everton

1940
01:39:31,787 --> 01:39:35,907
Speaker 18: at Wembley, scored in that. So you know, you learn

1941
01:39:35,947 --> 01:39:38,187
Speaker 18: in life, and that's one of the things I've learned

1942
01:39:38,187 --> 01:39:42,307
Speaker 18: to be grateful, and you know, I really appreciate everything

1943
01:39:42,347 --> 01:39:44,347
Speaker 18: I went through and what I've got and now Palliser

1944
01:39:44,387 --> 01:39:45,507
Speaker 18: in the Cup final again.

1945
01:39:45,547 --> 01:39:47,147
Speaker 21: I was played in nineteen ninety.

1946
01:39:47,627 --> 01:39:49,027
Speaker 18: You know, we got to the semis with the Garra

1947
01:39:49,147 --> 01:39:52,507
Speaker 18: South Cat side in ninety five and then I was

1948
01:39:52,547 --> 01:39:54,947
Speaker 18: first in coach in the fifteen sixteen season when we

1949
01:39:55,027 --> 01:39:59,107
Speaker 18: lost to Mana ninety two, which again Manuge. Yeah, and

1950
01:39:59,147 --> 01:40:01,427
Speaker 18: then I became, you know, sort of a match day

1951
01:40:01,467 --> 01:40:04,547
Speaker 18: ambassadorma club ambassador for Palace. We went to twenty two

1952
01:40:04,667 --> 01:40:07,427
Speaker 18: with their semi final against Chelsea.

1953
01:40:07,667 --> 01:40:08,787
Speaker 21: They were just too good for us.

1954
01:40:09,027 --> 01:40:13,187
Speaker 18: We lost two nol Wembley and we're back there again,

1955
01:40:13,627 --> 01:40:18,027
Speaker 18: you know, twenty twenty five we're in the final man City. Well,

1956
01:40:18,107 --> 01:40:19,987
Speaker 18: I think our names on it, Jason and I, I

1957
01:40:20,067 --> 01:40:24,107
Speaker 18: really do. I'm really humped for Saturday and I think

1958
01:40:24,107 --> 01:40:25,827
Speaker 18: we're going to do it. I think third time lucky,

1959
01:40:25,987 --> 01:40:29,907
Speaker 18: it's going to happen. You know, Oliver Glasner, you know,

1960
01:40:30,027 --> 01:40:33,667
Speaker 18: we trust and it's been incredible. Mattessa as a sar,

1961
01:40:33,947 --> 01:40:36,907
Speaker 18: you know, the bank laquir Richards and Gay Henderson's going

1962
01:40:36,947 --> 01:40:38,627
Speaker 18: to be Mane of the match and I think as

1963
01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:43,147
Speaker 18: a Matteta and so I think three to one Palace brilliant.

1964
01:40:43,507 --> 01:40:46,307
Speaker 2: Just before you go. Obviously, Pellas have been a solid

1965
01:40:46,307 --> 01:40:48,867
Speaker 2: mid table Premier League side since you know You're won

1966
01:40:48,947 --> 01:40:51,987
Speaker 2: promotion back in twenty twelve thirteen four ways sort of

1967
01:40:52,027 --> 01:40:55,587
Speaker 2: tenths to fourteenth or there are thereabouts. Winning a trophy.

1968
01:40:56,667 --> 01:40:58,387
Speaker 2: You're probably not going to win the Premier League, but

1969
01:40:58,467 --> 01:41:00,387
Speaker 2: you can win the FA Cup. How much would it

1970
01:41:00,427 --> 01:41:03,227
Speaker 2: mean to the fans of Super Palace And there are

1971
01:41:03,227 --> 01:41:04,587
Speaker 2: a lot back here in New Zealand as well. I

1972
01:41:04,587 --> 01:41:07,107
Speaker 2: can tell you John to lift that trophy, win.

1973
01:41:06,627 --> 01:41:08,547
Speaker 21: Win, yeah, oh my god.

1974
01:41:08,627 --> 01:41:10,827
Speaker 18: I think everyone apart from the Man City fans are

1975
01:41:10,867 --> 01:41:13,667
Speaker 18: rooting for Palace, you know, the under and dumb you know,

1976
01:41:13,747 --> 01:41:14,707
Speaker 18: it would mean everything.

1977
01:41:14,827 --> 01:41:15,747
Speaker 21: It's so special.

1978
01:41:17,067 --> 01:41:20,067
Speaker 18: To actually get across the line and win the FA

1979
01:41:20,067 --> 01:41:23,827
Speaker 18: Cup would be so brilliant for the club and to

1980
01:41:23,867 --> 01:41:26,427
Speaker 18: get into Europe. And to be honest, I think the

1981
01:41:26,427 --> 01:41:29,027
Speaker 18: bigger picture is obviously Oliver Glazen has been touted as

1982
01:41:29,067 --> 01:41:31,107
Speaker 18: you know, going to labor Coups and everyone wants him

1983
01:41:31,147 --> 01:41:35,667
Speaker 18: and Esse and Matteta and obviously gay Laqua and Waton,

1984
01:41:36,307 --> 01:41:38,507
Speaker 18: so you know, it would mean everything and in a

1985
01:41:38,587 --> 01:41:41,267
Speaker 18: sense where it might just be the catalyst we need

1986
01:41:41,307 --> 01:41:43,907
Speaker 18: to push us on to the next level of you know,

1987
01:41:43,947 --> 01:41:46,227
Speaker 18: we keep these players, we bring in some extra players,

1988
01:41:46,227 --> 01:41:49,427
Speaker 18: we go into the Europa League and finally play in Europe.

1989
01:41:49,947 --> 01:41:51,627
Speaker 21: But you know it would be so special.

1990
01:41:51,627 --> 01:41:54,467
Speaker 18: I mean, the Palace fans have just been magnificent since

1991
01:41:54,467 --> 01:41:57,067
Speaker 18: we nearly went out of existence, I think back in

1992
01:41:57,907 --> 01:42:02,187
Speaker 18: twenty and thirteen, and then since then, the palist fans

1993
01:42:02,187 --> 01:42:02,947
Speaker 18: have just embraced it.

1994
01:42:02,987 --> 01:42:03,547
Speaker 21: They're the best.

1995
01:42:03,627 --> 01:42:07,107
Speaker 18: You know, they're fantastic and they deserve that be wonderful

1996
01:42:07,307 --> 01:42:09,787
Speaker 18: and you know I can't deliver that as a player,

1997
01:42:09,787 --> 01:42:11,547
Speaker 18: but I feel so I'm just part of it, as

1998
01:42:11,587 --> 01:42:15,187
Speaker 18: part of the Palace family. It would be absolutely incredible

1999
01:42:15,227 --> 01:42:18,227
Speaker 18: and got fingers crossed. I mean, we can't take anything

2000
01:42:18,227 --> 01:42:19,907
Speaker 18: for granted, but I just think our name's.

2001
01:42:19,667 --> 01:42:20,907
Speaker 21: On it brilliant.

2002
01:42:21,027 --> 01:42:22,387
Speaker 2: I actually did want to ask you about coming to

2003
01:42:22,427 --> 01:42:25,227
Speaker 2: New Zealand because this is obviously a show going across

2004
01:42:25,547 --> 01:42:28,987
Speaker 2: New Zealand. I remember being at Athletic Park, a rugby

2005
01:42:29,027 --> 01:42:32,147
Speaker 2: ground in Wellington to watch them play against New Zealand.

2006
01:42:32,187 --> 01:42:35,867
Speaker 2: I was there that day watching watching England. You know,

2007
01:42:36,147 --> 01:42:39,107
Speaker 2: as players yourself, we've only ever seen on television playing

2008
01:42:39,107 --> 01:42:42,147
Speaker 2: against our national side and it was it was such

2009
01:42:42,187 --> 01:42:43,667
Speaker 2: a buzz for all of us back then.

2010
01:42:43,707 --> 01:42:44,467
Speaker 21: What was it like for you?

2011
01:42:44,547 --> 01:42:47,067
Speaker 2: I mean, you're Daybootinggainst Australia. A couple of games against

2012
01:42:47,067 --> 01:42:47,547
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

2013
01:42:47,907 --> 01:42:48,707
Speaker 1: What was that like?

2014
01:42:48,747 --> 01:42:49,827
Speaker 2: Do you remember much about it?

2015
01:42:50,547 --> 01:42:50,747
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2016
01:42:50,827 --> 01:42:52,027
Speaker 21: And do you know it was incredible.

2017
01:42:52,067 --> 01:42:54,387
Speaker 18: I was just you know, I was twenty two and

2018
01:42:54,627 --> 01:42:56,627
Speaker 18: you know it's everything I'd ever dreamed of is been

2019
01:42:56,707 --> 01:42:58,867
Speaker 18: part of the England squad and got this opportunity to

2020
01:42:58,907 --> 01:43:02,067
Speaker 18: fly out and play in this Australasia tour and you

2021
01:43:02,107 --> 01:43:04,427
Speaker 18: know we're gratty short, you know, and I think you know,

2022
01:43:04,507 --> 01:43:09,027
Speaker 18: Gary Lineker flying out, Stuart DEAs Walker and so many

2023
01:43:09,067 --> 01:43:13,547
Speaker 18: great players and I just loved it every second of it.

2024
01:43:13,747 --> 01:43:17,427
Speaker 18: Going to obviously Australia New Zealand, it was so fantastic

2025
01:43:17,467 --> 01:43:18,547
Speaker 18: and wonderful people.

2026
01:43:18,547 --> 01:43:20,427
Speaker 21: He had all the press, they're traveling with us.

2027
01:43:20,307 --> 01:43:22,667
Speaker 18: And you know, it was just being and it was

2028
01:43:22,747 --> 01:43:24,667
Speaker 18: just right where you wanted to be and know all

2029
01:43:24,747 --> 01:43:29,547
Speaker 18: your dreams come in, you know, to fruition and yeah,

2030
01:43:29,627 --> 01:43:32,867
Speaker 18: absolutely magical. It was the best sort of three weeks

2031
01:43:33,547 --> 01:43:36,507
Speaker 18: that I'd experienced in a footballing sense of you know,

2032
01:43:36,747 --> 01:43:38,347
Speaker 18: just everything that went with it.

2033
01:43:38,387 --> 01:43:40,947
Speaker 21: You know, you were big time news. It was off season.

2034
01:43:41,227 --> 01:43:43,627
Speaker 18: It was just all about you in the newspapers every day,

2035
01:43:43,667 --> 01:43:46,627
Speaker 18: on the TV doing interviews. I was sharing a room

2036
01:43:46,667 --> 01:43:50,707
Speaker 18: with Mark Walters ex Rangers, you know, sort of Villa Liverpool.

2037
01:43:50,867 --> 01:43:53,627
Speaker 18: What a brilliant player he was, and you know it

2038
01:43:53,707 --> 01:43:58,027
Speaker 18: was just so special, absolutely incredible and obviously yeah it's

2039
01:43:58,667 --> 01:44:03,547
Speaker 18: you know, a real big, big highlight and something that. Yeah,

2040
01:44:03,667 --> 01:44:05,147
Speaker 18: I just it was absolutely magical.

2041
01:44:05,707 --> 01:44:07,707
Speaker 2: John, that's been such a delight chatting to you. Thank

2042
01:44:07,747 --> 01:44:10,587
Speaker 2: you for having a wander down memory lane with us.

2043
01:44:10,667 --> 01:44:13,387
Speaker 2: You're dead right, I think, apart from city fans, everybody

2044
01:44:13,947 --> 01:44:16,947
Speaker 2: is super Eagles this weekend. All the best, mat Hope.

2045
01:44:16,987 --> 01:44:19,107
Speaker 2: It's a tremendous weekend for you and for the Palace family.

2046
01:44:19,867 --> 01:44:20,267
Speaker 21: Brilliant.

2047
01:44:20,307 --> 01:44:22,827
Speaker 2: Thanks Jason Pleasure, No thanks for joining us. John. John

2048
01:44:22,867 --> 01:44:27,987
Speaker 2: Silaco there a former Crystal Palace attacker. England player Grant says,

2049
01:44:28,027 --> 01:44:30,307
Speaker 2: don't think John Salarco is going to have great memories

2050
01:44:30,347 --> 01:44:33,067
Speaker 2: about playing here. I was at Athletic Park that day

2051
01:44:33,227 --> 01:44:35,307
Speaker 2: and it had rained all week and was the coldest

2052
01:44:35,387 --> 01:44:38,507
Speaker 2: athletic park I'd ever been to. Man, that's a crowded field,

2053
01:44:38,987 --> 01:44:41,867
Speaker 2: a cold athletic park. They couldn't mow the grass. It

2054
01:44:41,907 --> 01:44:44,147
Speaker 2: was very long by the time they played. As I said,

2055
01:44:44,187 --> 01:44:46,347
Speaker 2: I was at that game as well. England won two nil.

2056
01:44:47,467 --> 01:44:49,707
Speaker 2: But you know some of the players who came across.

2057
01:44:50,227 --> 01:44:52,667
Speaker 2: We've only seen them on Big League soccer back then.

2058
01:44:52,747 --> 01:44:55,627
Speaker 2: You know this is pre you know, pre Sky days,

2059
01:44:55,667 --> 01:44:59,347
Speaker 2: pre Premier League days. And you look at the New

2060
01:44:59,427 --> 01:45:02,347
Speaker 2: Zealand side that played, and a couple of famous names there.

2061
01:45:02,387 --> 01:45:06,067
Speaker 2: Fred de Jong was in that side, Declan Edge, Michael mcgowry,

2062
01:45:06,107 --> 01:45:09,307
Speaker 2: who's so James has gone on to be a professional footballer.

2063
01:45:09,627 --> 01:45:13,307
Speaker 2: Malcolm Dumford camp captain the side, Roger Gray I want

2064
01:45:13,307 --> 01:45:16,987
Speaker 2: to play. He was Michael Redenton, father of Matt Radenton.

2065
01:45:17,027 --> 01:45:20,747
Speaker 2: Another father son Combo. There yea so two nil it

2066
01:45:20,987 --> 01:45:24,387
Speaker 2: was at at Athletic Park and one nil at Mount Smart.

2067
01:45:24,787 --> 01:45:27,347
Speaker 2: Gary Lineker was in that England team as well. Terrific.

2068
01:45:27,547 --> 01:45:29,507
Speaker 2: Are there any Palace fans in New Zealand? I know

2069
01:45:29,547 --> 01:45:32,947
Speaker 2: there are. Actually, that's the silly question, um fire in

2070
01:45:33,027 --> 01:45:35,347
Speaker 2: your text. If you're a Palace fan, how did you

2071
01:45:35,427 --> 01:45:38,987
Speaker 2: land on them? There's a relatively well known Nelsonian who's

2072
01:45:38,987 --> 01:45:41,907
Speaker 2: a Palace fan. Steve Bignall, known to pretty much everybody

2073
01:45:41,907 --> 01:45:46,467
Speaker 2: in the Nelson region as Bigsy, loves as football, cuts

2074
01:45:46,507 --> 01:45:49,867
Speaker 2: hair and chat's football until the Cows came home. Missions

2075
01:45:49,907 --> 01:45:51,427
Speaker 2: him yesterday to wish him good luck for this one.

2076
01:45:51,427 --> 01:45:53,947
Speaker 2: He said he's in Fiji. I'm going to have to

2077
01:45:53,987 --> 01:45:56,947
Speaker 2: find a place to watch this game. But if you're

2078
01:45:57,067 --> 01:45:59,427
Speaker 2: a Palace fan nine two ninety two, give us your predictions.

2079
01:45:59,467 --> 01:46:01,987
Speaker 2: I know what you're going to say. A great interview, Jason,

2080
01:46:01,987 --> 01:46:04,787
Speaker 2: he talks from the hearts. Is this one. I was

2081
01:46:04,827 --> 01:46:08,427
Speaker 2: in the Legion's Hospitality restaurant with him many years ago.

2082
01:46:08,547 --> 01:46:10,587
Speaker 2: I'm back there in August. I hope he's there again.

2083
01:46:10,627 --> 01:46:13,307
Speaker 2: They've put the price up though it's five hundred quid now.

2084
01:46:13,627 --> 01:46:16,427
Speaker 2: Goodness me, half past two is the time. Let's take

2085
01:46:16,467 --> 01:46:18,987
Speaker 2: a break, come back and chat to Field tato Angy

2086
01:46:19,027 --> 01:46:23,187
Speaker 2: about Ryan Fox and his ongoing good form. We're back

2087
01:46:23,187 --> 01:46:24,547
Speaker 2: in a second Weekend Sport.

2088
01:46:24,907 --> 01:46:28,667
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

2089
01:46:28,707 --> 01:46:33,067
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most Trusted home Builder News.

2090
01:46:34,387 --> 01:46:36,507
Speaker 2: Twenty seven to three. Key we goal for Ryan Fox

2091
01:46:36,507 --> 01:46:38,747
Speaker 2: has held his nerve to finish strongly in the second

2092
01:46:38,827 --> 01:46:42,787
Speaker 2: round of the PGA Championship at Quail Hollow. After starting

2093
01:46:42,987 --> 01:46:46,547
Speaker 2: the second round two over through three holes, Ryan Fox

2094
01:46:46,587 --> 01:46:48,867
Speaker 2: bounced back with three birdies on the back nine to

2095
01:46:48,907 --> 01:46:51,867
Speaker 2: cart an even par round and stay four under for

2096
01:46:51,947 --> 01:46:54,587
Speaker 2: the tournament that has him in a share of seventh,

2097
01:46:55,187 --> 01:46:58,427
Speaker 2: just four shots behind leader Jonathan Vegas. This, of course,

2098
01:46:58,467 --> 01:47:00,787
Speaker 2: a week after he became just the ninth Kei we

2099
01:47:00,947 --> 01:47:04,947
Speaker 2: Mail to win a USPGA Tour event at the Myrtle

2100
01:47:04,987 --> 01:47:08,787
Speaker 2: Beach Classic. Another member of that very exclusive club is

2101
01:47:08,787 --> 01:47:11,147
Speaker 2: Philed tato Angi, who joins US now now a golf

2102
01:47:11,227 --> 01:47:15,347
Speaker 2: analyst with Sky Sport and other platforms. Ryan Fox wouldn't

2103
01:47:15,347 --> 01:47:17,347
Speaker 2: even be at the PGA Championship, Phil if he had

2104
01:47:17,427 --> 01:47:21,027
Speaker 2: one last weekend. Would the way he played at Myrtle

2105
01:47:21,027 --> 01:47:23,787
Speaker 2: Beach have flowed onto this weekend? Or does it not

2106
01:47:23,867 --> 01:47:24,547
Speaker 2: work that way?

2107
01:47:25,387 --> 01:47:28,467
Speaker 20: Well, I certainly can. It's not an automatic.

2108
01:47:28,627 --> 01:47:32,307
Speaker 22: You don't start the week with a couple of birdies

2109
01:47:32,347 --> 01:47:34,707
Speaker 22: already in the bag just because you won last week.

2110
01:47:34,747 --> 01:47:37,347
Speaker 22: You got to earn it all over again, Piney. But

2111
01:47:38,067 --> 01:47:39,867
Speaker 22: nothing quite like having a little bit of form and

2112
01:47:39,907 --> 01:47:43,227
Speaker 22: a bit of confidence coming in, albeit probably with the

2113
01:47:43,227 --> 01:47:46,187
Speaker 22: batteries running a little bit low, with just all of

2114
01:47:46,227 --> 01:47:50,267
Speaker 22: the coming down off of the high So although hey,

2115
01:47:50,267 --> 01:47:52,067
Speaker 22: look you might have had that little bit of extra

2116
01:47:52,107 --> 01:47:54,147
Speaker 22: belief and a little bit of extra.

2117
01:47:54,627 --> 01:47:56,907
Speaker 20: Confidence, as are saying that.

2118
01:47:56,747 --> 01:48:00,587
Speaker 22: The balls going where I want it to go. The

2119
01:48:00,667 --> 01:48:03,867
Speaker 22: performance through the first couple of days here is been

2120
01:48:04,947 --> 01:48:08,507
Speaker 22: outstanding I think from Ryan, not just because of the

2121
01:48:08,827 --> 01:48:12,387
Speaker 22: golf course and the tournament, but it can be energy

2122
01:48:12,427 --> 01:48:15,987
Speaker 22: setting when you're in contention and then you end up

2123
01:48:16,027 --> 01:48:20,427
Speaker 22: getting over the line. You achieve a career goal just

2124
01:48:20,467 --> 01:48:23,907
Speaker 22: being able to reset and recharge the batteries and refocus

2125
01:48:24,387 --> 01:48:26,787
Speaker 22: and do that in one of the four biggest tournaments

2126
01:48:26,827 --> 01:48:30,547
Speaker 22: in the world and really position himself nicely here for

2127
01:48:30,547 --> 01:48:31,467
Speaker 22: the last two days.

2128
01:48:31,747 --> 01:48:33,187
Speaker 20: He's done exceptionally well.

2129
01:48:33,227 --> 01:48:35,467
Speaker 2: What has he done well in these two rounds? He

2130
01:48:35,547 --> 01:48:37,547
Speaker 2: brings the confidence, as you say, those sorts of things,

2131
01:48:37,547 --> 01:48:39,627
Speaker 2: but in terms of the way he's played his golf

2132
01:48:39,667 --> 01:48:42,547
Speaker 2: to cut a four under par first round in an

2133
01:48:42,547 --> 01:48:45,107
Speaker 2: even past second round, what's he done particularly well?

2134
01:48:46,067 --> 01:48:49,307
Speaker 22: I think, if anything, the intangible here is managers energy

2135
01:48:50,867 --> 01:48:53,587
Speaker 22: and I was quite happy just to see today that

2136
01:48:53,987 --> 01:48:55,787
Speaker 22: after a tough start and.

2137
01:48:56,187 --> 01:48:58,387
Speaker 20: Look plenty you win last week.

2138
01:48:58,427 --> 01:49:00,627
Speaker 22: You get all of the distractions with the pats on

2139
01:49:00,667 --> 01:49:04,867
Speaker 22: the back and just mentally, just even in yourself, when

2140
01:49:04,867 --> 01:49:08,307
Speaker 22: you achieve something that you've been struve four for years,

2141
01:49:10,467 --> 01:49:12,827
Speaker 22: it can take up your time and your energy. And

2142
01:49:13,627 --> 01:49:15,627
Speaker 22: this is on the back of already playing the last

2143
01:49:15,947 --> 01:49:20,467
Speaker 22: four weeks in a row and so managing his practice

2144
01:49:20,507 --> 01:49:25,547
Speaker 22: coming into the first round and not using too much

2145
01:49:25,667 --> 01:49:29,547
Speaker 22: energy on course major championship, the golf course. Sometimes you

2146
01:49:29,587 --> 01:49:31,547
Speaker 22: can just drain the battery a little bit. He's done

2147
01:49:31,627 --> 01:49:36,787
Speaker 22: really nice job of that. And look, he's for me

2148
01:49:36,827 --> 01:49:38,507
Speaker 22: and Brian's always had the game.

2149
01:49:38,387 --> 01:49:40,667
Speaker 20: To excel in the US.

2150
01:49:40,867 --> 01:49:43,227
Speaker 22: It's the bought a long way, and if he can

2151
01:49:43,267 --> 01:49:45,467
Speaker 22: get the flat stick to work, then the rest of

2152
01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:48,027
Speaker 22: his game is capable enough. He's had a lot of

2153
01:49:48,027 --> 01:49:52,707
Speaker 22: greens in regulation and has scrambled nicely through the first

2154
01:49:52,707 --> 01:49:55,987
Speaker 22: two days of the tournament. And that's a pretty good combination,

2155
01:49:57,387 --> 01:50:00,107
Speaker 22: especially on a golf course like Quail Hollow's third longest

2156
01:50:00,587 --> 01:50:02,747
Speaker 22: course on the PGA Tour this year.

2157
01:50:02,907 --> 01:50:06,067
Speaker 20: So all parts of his game are tidy.

2158
01:50:06,707 --> 01:50:08,267
Speaker 22: You know that we can hit it a long way,

2159
01:50:08,307 --> 01:50:10,347
Speaker 22: but if you can get the scoring clubs to work,

2160
01:50:10,867 --> 01:50:13,987
Speaker 22: then he probably will be, you know, right at the

2161
01:50:13,987 --> 01:50:15,587
Speaker 22: point the end of it, come Monday morning.

2162
01:50:15,747 --> 01:50:18,187
Speaker 2: Exciting stuff. Just on your experience, and you've alluded to

2163
01:50:18,187 --> 01:50:20,027
Speaker 2: it a couple of times. They're about, you know, coming

2164
01:50:20,027 --> 01:50:23,627
Speaker 2: down off the high of achieving something historic, something very

2165
01:50:23,707 --> 01:50:27,107
Speaker 2: few Kiwi players have ever done. After you won your

2166
01:50:27,147 --> 01:50:30,507
Speaker 2: PGA Tour event in Vegas in two thousand and two,

2167
01:50:30,907 --> 01:50:33,307
Speaker 2: what was the aftermath of that? Like, what means were

2168
01:50:33,347 --> 01:50:35,347
Speaker 2: you terrible in your next tournament? I can tell us

2169
01:50:35,347 --> 01:50:35,867
Speaker 2: about it.

2170
01:50:37,267 --> 01:50:42,427
Speaker 20: I won in Vegas, Piney, but sadly, sadly, already had

2171
01:50:42,427 --> 01:50:45,867
Speaker 20: the flight book to come home, and so it was

2172
01:50:45,907 --> 01:50:49,307
Speaker 20: straight to the airport and didn't even change my clothes.

2173
01:50:49,347 --> 01:50:53,427
Speaker 20: And so when you walked through the airport, the customs

2174
01:50:53,427 --> 01:50:56,467
Speaker 20: officer says, you've got some golf shoes here. I said, yeah,

2175
01:50:56,467 --> 01:50:58,067
Speaker 20: I look down here there they are right there.

2176
01:50:58,347 --> 01:51:01,947
Speaker 22: So although we had a comfortable seat on the way home,

2177
01:51:02,387 --> 01:51:05,947
Speaker 22: didn't ever change of clothes, and so it was a

2178
01:51:06,467 --> 01:51:07,507
Speaker 22: it was a bit of a bend there. It was

2179
01:51:07,547 --> 01:51:09,387
Speaker 22: a bit of a celebration. But it was back here

2180
01:51:09,387 --> 01:51:12,187
Speaker 22: in New Zealand for the few days afterwards, and didn't

2181
01:51:12,187 --> 01:51:16,267
Speaker 22: have to play for another month after that. But with

2182
01:51:16,627 --> 01:51:19,187
Speaker 22: other tournaments, and maybe it's not even just winning, to

2183
01:51:19,267 --> 01:51:22,267
Speaker 22: be fair, even just being in contention and having that

2184
01:51:22,787 --> 01:51:25,827
Speaker 22: the engine running just a little bit with a few

2185
01:51:25,867 --> 01:51:28,547
Speaker 22: more reds in it, you know, just you know, you

2186
01:51:28,587 --> 01:51:31,667
Speaker 22: take that game last night with the Canes in the Highlanders.

2187
01:51:31,907 --> 01:51:35,747
Speaker 22: There's a lot of anticipation for getting to that, you know,

2188
01:51:35,787 --> 01:51:38,947
Speaker 22: the final few minutes, the final few holes of a tournament,

2189
01:51:40,107 --> 01:51:41,787
Speaker 22: and you're not too sure which way the result is

2190
01:51:41,827 --> 01:51:45,387
Speaker 22: going to go. So you've got to have some tools

2191
01:51:45,427 --> 01:51:47,907
Speaker 22: and strategies to decompress, to be able to put that

2192
01:51:47,947 --> 01:51:50,867
Speaker 22: behind you and to be able to reset. And that's

2193
01:51:50,907 --> 01:51:55,867
Speaker 22: not always that easy. When you continually get reinforced in

2194
01:51:55,907 --> 01:52:01,187
Speaker 22: the locker room on the range, you know, the all

2195
01:52:01,227 --> 01:52:06,347
Speaker 22: of your playing partners, that just reinforcing that you've achieved

2196
01:52:06,427 --> 01:52:09,347
Speaker 22: something that not only very few do, but that a

2197
01:52:09,387 --> 01:52:12,267
Speaker 22: lot of other people have expected you to or thought

2198
01:52:12,307 --> 01:52:15,227
Speaker 22: you had the belief that you could for a long while.

2199
01:52:15,307 --> 01:52:19,107
Speaker 22: So being able to just put that aside and then

2200
01:52:19,427 --> 01:52:21,307
Speaker 22: tee it up in one of the four major tournaments

2201
01:52:21,347 --> 01:52:25,667
Speaker 22: of the work of the season is bloody hard. It's

2202
01:52:25,667 --> 01:52:28,467
Speaker 22: hard to put it behind you, and so I'm impressed

2203
01:52:28,467 --> 01:52:32,987
Speaker 22: by Foxy's ability through this first couple of days. Usually

2204
01:52:33,027 --> 01:52:36,387
Speaker 22: it's the second round. The first round you're writing that

2205
01:52:36,427 --> 01:52:39,187
Speaker 22: adrenaline and you're writing you know, you've only just had

2206
01:52:39,187 --> 01:52:41,867
Speaker 22: a couple of days from losting a trophy, and so

2207
01:52:42,027 --> 01:52:44,707
Speaker 22: you get through the first round okay, but that second

2208
01:52:44,787 --> 01:52:48,427
Speaker 22: round today was the real test for him. He gets

2209
01:52:48,427 --> 01:52:49,867
Speaker 22: a bit of a rest, he gets a late tea

2210
01:52:49,907 --> 01:52:55,387
Speaker 22: time tomorrow, and now he's absolutely in competitive made over

2211
01:52:55,387 --> 01:52:58,107
Speaker 22: the next couple of days trying to pick off one

2212
01:52:58,107 --> 01:52:59,467
Speaker 22: of the biggest tournaments in the world.

2213
01:52:59,587 --> 01:53:02,107
Speaker 2: Indeed, well, let's finish with what might happen over the

2214
01:53:02,187 --> 01:53:04,147
Speaker 2: next two days. You talk about it being a very

2215
01:53:04,187 --> 01:53:07,987
Speaker 2: long course. The leader Jonathan Vegas at eight under after

2216
01:53:08,067 --> 01:53:11,027
Speaker 2: two rounds, So what does a long course due to

2217
01:53:11,107 --> 01:53:13,507
Speaker 2: a four round score? So I mean, what will win

2218
01:53:13,547 --> 01:53:15,547
Speaker 2: this fourteen under? Fifteen under or will it be less

2219
01:53:15,547 --> 01:53:15,867
Speaker 2: than that?

2220
01:53:16,587 --> 01:53:17,587
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's about the weather.

2221
01:53:17,867 --> 01:53:22,267
Speaker 22: Unfortunately, in North Carolina at this time of the year,

2222
01:53:22,307 --> 01:53:26,027
Speaker 22: they are prone to some of the spring storms, and

2223
01:53:26,107 --> 01:53:28,147
Speaker 22: so that was part of the preparation here.

2224
01:53:28,747 --> 01:53:31,347
Speaker 20: Course was took a lot of water through the first.

2225
01:53:31,227 --> 01:53:36,067
Speaker 22: Couple of days, and we look at the four cast

2226
01:53:36,067 --> 01:53:38,827
Speaker 22: for tomorrow and there's a chance for some more storms

2227
01:53:38,827 --> 01:53:40,907
Speaker 22: to come through. So that's going to dictate things a

2228
01:53:40,907 --> 01:53:43,987
Speaker 22: little bit. It could be disruptive with tea times, that

2229
01:53:44,067 --> 01:53:49,947
Speaker 22: could be disruptive with getting play stopped. And so again

2230
01:53:50,027 --> 01:53:56,027
Speaker 22: that's about kind of managing your energy, managing the things

2231
01:53:56,067 --> 01:54:00,827
Speaker 22: that you can't control and your approach to that. I'm

2232
01:54:00,867 --> 01:54:03,867
Speaker 22: not expecting the scores to go that low yet. Maybe

2233
01:54:03,907 --> 01:54:06,947
Speaker 22: twelve under it might get to but this is a

2234
01:54:07,027 --> 01:54:09,827
Speaker 22: beast of a golf course and saw with McRoy a

2235
01:54:09,827 --> 01:54:14,267
Speaker 22: couple of late bogies today they will. I'll start tightening

2236
01:54:14,307 --> 01:54:16,347
Speaker 22: the screws for the last couple of rounds with the

2237
01:54:16,387 --> 01:54:20,107
Speaker 22: setup I expect, and I think, if Ryan, what are

2238
01:54:20,107 --> 01:54:23,667
Speaker 22: the four behind right now? If he can shoot a

2239
01:54:23,667 --> 01:54:26,987
Speaker 22: couple of rounds underpar over the next couple of days,

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Speaker 22: he will be in with the shout.

2241
01:54:28,987 --> 01:54:30,867
Speaker 20: I think. Come come Monday morning.

2242
01:54:31,027 --> 01:54:34,707
Speaker 2: Exciting times. Another excellent weekend of golf viewing coming up.

2243
01:54:34,747 --> 01:54:36,467
Speaker 2: Fill always love chatting golf with you, mate, Thanks for

2244
01:54:36,507 --> 01:54:37,347
Speaker 2: joining us on the show.

2245
01:54:38,027 --> 01:54:39,867
Speaker 20: Thanks Fini, enjoyed it man all the best.

2246
01:54:39,667 --> 01:54:41,827
Speaker 2: Mate, Phil, I thought on you there, went on the

2247
01:54:41,827 --> 01:54:45,507
Speaker 2: PGA to himself one of only nine key Wes to

2248
01:54:45,547 --> 01:54:48,307
Speaker 2: do so and golf analyst. You can watch Ryan Fox

2249
01:54:48,387 --> 01:54:50,627
Speaker 2: in action in the third round of the PGA Championship

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2260
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2263
01:55:31,347 --> 01:55:33,907
Speaker 2: you'd like to win a double past to that game

2264
01:55:34,067 --> 01:55:36,867
Speaker 2: next Saturday night, we'll be in the draw for one anyway,

2265
01:55:37,307 --> 01:55:40,147
Speaker 2: Text the word football to nine two ninety two. We'll

2266
01:55:40,187 --> 01:55:43,427
Speaker 2: make that draw before three o'clock. Quarter to three. You

2267
01:55:43,507 --> 01:55:45,307
Speaker 2: try it. The Death from cam Roy guards broken the

2268
01:55:45,347 --> 01:55:48,627
Speaker 2: Highlanders hearts and given the Hurricanes an importance. Twenty four

2269
01:55:48,907 --> 01:55:52,267
Speaker 2: twenty Super Rugby winning Wellington Roy got snuck over to

2270
01:55:52,307 --> 01:55:54,227
Speaker 2: score his second drive of the game with time up

2271
01:55:54,267 --> 01:55:56,907
Speaker 2: on the clock to keep the Canes firmly in playoff contention.

2272
01:55:57,027 --> 01:55:59,387
Speaker 2: He joins us. Now, gooda cam. Do you reckon you

2273
01:55:59,507 --> 01:56:01,307
Speaker 2: got away with one there last night? Or do you

2274
01:56:01,307 --> 01:56:02,507
Speaker 2: think you deserve to win the game?

2275
01:56:03,427 --> 01:56:04,387
Speaker 9: It's a great question.

2276
01:56:04,587 --> 01:56:08,667
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it was pretty high and we gave

2277
01:56:08,787 --> 01:56:11,707
Speaker 4: the Highlands a lot opportunity to cut it out that game.

2278
01:56:11,747 --> 01:56:15,587
Speaker 4: But I guess being able to win ugly, you know,

2279
01:56:16,027 --> 01:56:16,507
Speaker 4: I guess it.

2280
01:56:16,507 --> 01:56:18,747
Speaker 9: Is important and different ways to win.

2281
01:56:19,187 --> 01:56:22,027
Speaker 4: And I guess we did. We just find a way

2282
01:56:22,027 --> 01:56:25,027
Speaker 4: in the end luckily. So yeah, I think we're still

2283
01:56:25,067 --> 01:56:28,827
Speaker 4: probably we we created a lot. We probably just were

2284
01:56:28,907 --> 01:56:32,627
Speaker 4: finishing opportunities, especially in the sick and half. What we

2285
01:56:32,627 --> 01:56:35,867
Speaker 4: we had three died tribes, which you know those get allowed,

2286
01:56:36,467 --> 01:56:38,507
Speaker 4: and they were pretty mentionable things go on. Was obviously

2287
01:56:38,987 --> 01:56:41,587
Speaker 4: just a four pass and then half was one in

2288
01:56:41,587 --> 01:56:44,627
Speaker 4: the corner. But yeah, I think we still did deserve

2289
01:56:44,627 --> 01:56:48,067
Speaker 4: to win. But yeah, definitely differently as we.

2290
01:56:48,027 --> 01:56:50,107
Speaker 2: Watched take us to the end of the game. When

2291
01:56:50,267 --> 01:56:52,547
Speaker 2: you're building phase after phase, you're right under the post.

2292
01:56:52,587 --> 01:56:54,867
Speaker 2: What pictures were you seeing there as you as you

2293
01:56:54,947 --> 01:56:57,507
Speaker 2: spotted and opening under the post to dive over for

2294
01:56:57,547 --> 01:56:58,187
Speaker 2: the winning try.

2295
01:56:59,587 --> 01:57:02,307
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I guess understanding that the Highlands are

2296
01:57:02,347 --> 01:57:04,307
Speaker 4: super desperate and trying to come over on the fields

2297
01:57:04,347 --> 01:57:07,147
Speaker 4: that they are all sort of swing around the corner,

2298
01:57:07,187 --> 01:57:09,187
Speaker 4: and I guess it's pretty hard to defend around the

2299
01:57:09,187 --> 01:57:12,107
Speaker 4: posts because there is a big post in the last

2300
01:57:12,107 --> 01:57:15,627
Speaker 4: that I sort of saw Peace had a good quick

2301
01:57:15,707 --> 01:57:19,547
Speaker 4: carry and then it thought everyone was just sort of

2302
01:57:19,547 --> 01:57:22,307
Speaker 4: flooding around live in that space, So just saw the

2303
01:57:22,307 --> 01:57:25,147
Speaker 4: opportunity there got over.

2304
01:57:26,547 --> 01:57:28,987
Speaker 2: By the time you scored that try that won the game,

2305
01:57:29,547 --> 01:57:33,347
Speaker 2: you'd built twenty one phases. How much discipline does it

2306
01:57:33,387 --> 01:57:35,827
Speaker 2: take to build phases like that in the dying moment

2307
01:57:35,987 --> 01:57:38,747
Speaker 2: under fatigue with the game on the line.

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01:57:38,747 --> 01:57:43,067
Speaker 4: Basically, Yeah, it's method, And like I say, we had

2309
01:57:43,947 --> 01:57:47,627
Speaker 4: blown a lot of opportunities beforehand, so that we I

2310
01:57:47,667 --> 01:57:49,947
Speaker 4: think we all knew that that it was our last opportunity,

2311
01:57:50,107 --> 01:57:54,547
Speaker 4: opportunity that we've got lifelines with there they're throwing off

2312
01:57:54,587 --> 01:57:56,467
Speaker 4: straight and then we were able to sort of intel

2313
01:57:56,547 --> 01:57:59,027
Speaker 4: work and we've got so much time and effort in

2314
01:57:59,387 --> 01:58:01,947
Speaker 4: I guess that sort of attack and being able to

2315
01:58:01,987 --> 01:58:04,747
Speaker 4: just stay in it there, being happy to build phases

2316
01:58:04,787 --> 01:58:07,427
Speaker 4: and just get really direct and that either the penalty

2317
01:58:07,427 --> 01:58:10,467
Speaker 4: advantages will come or the space will open up for us.

2318
01:58:10,507 --> 01:58:15,387
Speaker 4: And credits everyone involved, like it has transferred from the

2319
01:58:15,427 --> 01:58:18,227
Speaker 4: training field to the game. And you know, we looked

2320
01:58:18,227 --> 01:58:20,867
Speaker 4: back at a game like the fourth we're it ended

2321
01:58:20,907 --> 01:58:23,347
Speaker 4: going to draw and it was really tight because we

2322
01:58:23,387 --> 01:58:25,347
Speaker 4: didn't get that stuff sort of didn't get that right.

2323
01:58:25,467 --> 01:58:28,627
Speaker 4: So it's great that although it was an overly scrappy

2324
01:58:28,667 --> 01:58:33,187
Speaker 4: game for us, we're able to I guess improve other areas.

2325
01:58:34,467 --> 01:58:37,547
Speaker 4: And yeah, like I say credit to everyone evolved because

2326
01:58:37,547 --> 01:58:41,547
Speaker 4: there has been growth and transferred from training Paddict and too.

2327
01:58:41,667 --> 01:58:44,547
Speaker 2: I guess quite last, the Nats for the game these

2328
01:58:44,627 --> 01:58:46,667
Speaker 2: days is that the bloke with the number nine on

2329
01:58:46,787 --> 01:58:49,467
Speaker 2: his back often, isn't it in the eighty first minute?

2330
01:58:49,667 --> 01:58:52,707
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't often play the whole game. When

2331
01:58:52,747 --> 01:58:54,427
Speaker 2: did it become apparent to you that you were just

2332
01:58:54,427 --> 01:58:55,067
Speaker 2: going to stay on?

2333
01:58:56,587 --> 01:59:01,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, I figured when well, obviously both wingers been gone

2334
01:59:01,347 --> 01:59:05,547
Speaker 4: early doesn't help. And I knew that well An he

2335
01:59:05,587 --> 01:59:08,347
Speaker 4: was probably gonna have player role of selling in for

2336
01:59:08,387 --> 01:59:11,627
Speaker 4: a position or like, it's quite risky when you've only

2337
01:59:11,627 --> 01:59:13,267
Speaker 4: got one back on the bench if they to stub

2338
01:59:13,347 --> 01:59:16,747
Speaker 4: me off, what will happen? So to be fair to

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Speaker 4: actually cross my line, I was pretty like there was

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01:59:18,307 --> 01:59:21,187
Speaker 4: a lot going on. So I guess the last twenty

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01:59:21,187 --> 01:59:24,147
Speaker 4: minutes I was pretty pretty focused on what was happening

2342
01:59:24,187 --> 01:59:26,707
Speaker 4: and I wasn't really paying attention to what was going

2343
01:59:26,747 --> 01:59:29,667
Speaker 4: on the sideline. But like I said, there's always I

2344
01:59:29,707 --> 01:59:31,747
Speaker 4: love playing, you know, as many minutes as I can,

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01:59:31,787 --> 01:59:35,307
Speaker 4: and really enjoying starting. And you know, Eddie is a

2346
01:59:35,307 --> 01:59:37,987
Speaker 4: great team man, and although it's this pointing for him,

2347
01:59:38,467 --> 01:59:41,067
Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll get his opportunity in the weeks to come.

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01:59:41,107 --> 01:59:44,907
Speaker 4: And yeah, hopefully the other boys, we've got a few

2349
01:59:44,947 --> 01:59:47,347
Speaker 4: niggels or what not now, so hopefully we can we

2350
01:59:47,387 --> 01:59:50,747
Speaker 4: can bounce back and get ready for bris for the

2351
01:59:50,787 --> 01:59:52,147
Speaker 4: Reds and Brisbane next week.

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01:59:52,627 --> 01:59:54,347
Speaker 2: Here, we all know what you went through last year

2353
01:59:54,387 --> 01:59:56,747
Speaker 2: to rehab from serious injury to make it back for

2354
01:59:56,787 --> 01:59:59,987
Speaker 2: the end of season All Blacks two. You've played all

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02:00:00,107 --> 02:00:04,067
Speaker 2: twelve of the Canes matches this season, eleven starts. It's

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02:00:04,067 --> 02:00:05,787
Speaker 2: a silly question, I know, Cam, but how much are

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02:00:05,827 --> 02:00:09,067
Speaker 2: you enjoying this season after a challenging twenty twenty four?

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02:00:10,267 --> 02:00:14,027
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm loving it. Obviously as a team. We faked

2359
02:00:14,067 --> 02:00:15,667
Speaker 4: a bit of adversity at to start. You know, it

2360
02:00:15,747 --> 02:00:18,467
Speaker 4: didn't start the way we wanted to and probably playing

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02:00:18,467 --> 02:00:19,107
Speaker 4: the rugby that.

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02:00:19,067 --> 02:00:19,867
Speaker 11: We want to as well.

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02:00:19,947 --> 02:00:21,387
Speaker 4: So it was a bit of a bit of salt

2364
02:00:21,467 --> 02:00:25,227
Speaker 4: digging in the early rounds. But I think we're starting

2365
02:00:25,227 --> 02:00:26,667
Speaker 4: to find our feet, you know. I had some good

2366
02:00:26,667 --> 02:00:31,707
Speaker 4: ones over the Brumbies the Chiefs obviously, and hopefully, you know,

2367
02:00:31,747 --> 02:00:34,027
Speaker 4: we can start to build the momentum at the right

2368
02:00:34,107 --> 02:00:37,107
Speaker 4: end of the year. Obviously it was disappointing for myself

2369
02:00:37,147 --> 02:00:39,227
Speaker 4: last year, but the team was going really well. But

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02:00:39,707 --> 02:00:43,027
Speaker 4: we probably you know, looking back, probably played that best

2371
02:00:43,027 --> 02:00:46,667
Speaker 4: footy when it you know, it wasn't the most important

2372
02:00:46,667 --> 02:00:48,507
Speaker 4: time of the year. So hopefully we can if we

2373
02:00:48,547 --> 02:00:50,707
Speaker 4: keep building some momentum, we can be playing our best

2374
02:00:51,067 --> 02:00:53,427
Speaker 4: you know, at the right time. And if that's you know,

2375
02:00:53,507 --> 02:00:56,067
Speaker 4: when we hopefully we make the top six and it's

2376
02:00:56,107 --> 02:00:57,987
Speaker 4: in the finals, then yeah, it's fits to go.

2377
02:00:58,667 --> 02:01:02,267
Speaker 2: Speaking of long reheabs, Brett Cameron made his return from

2378
02:01:02,307 --> 02:01:04,787
Speaker 2: his long term injury last night. I had him schedule.

2379
02:01:05,067 --> 02:01:07,467
Speaker 2: How much admiration do you have for him, particularly given

2380
02:01:07,707 --> 02:01:09,907
Speaker 2: how difficult you know it is to rehab from an

2381
02:01:09,947 --> 02:01:10,587
Speaker 2: injury like that.

2382
02:01:12,107 --> 02:01:12,347
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2383
02:01:12,427 --> 02:01:14,627
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know, with a c LS, you know,

2384
02:01:14,667 --> 02:01:16,987
Speaker 4: it probably does a bit more damage to the need

2385
02:01:17,067 --> 02:01:21,747
Speaker 4: and what my injury was, but you know, still very significant.

2386
02:01:22,987 --> 02:01:26,267
Speaker 4: And yeah, really I guess stoked for him to sort

2387
02:01:26,267 --> 02:01:30,707
Speaker 4: of see the determination he has probably similar to mine,

2388
02:01:30,747 --> 02:01:34,347
Speaker 4: and putting his head down, working with the Hurricanes medical team,

2389
02:01:34,587 --> 02:01:37,707
Speaker 4: like they've done a great job alongside him to put

2390
02:01:37,747 --> 02:01:39,307
Speaker 4: in the working effort and sort of.

2391
02:01:39,307 --> 02:01:39,947
Speaker 9: To get it right.

2392
02:01:41,067 --> 02:01:42,587
Speaker 4: You know, I think that was the game that he

2393
02:01:42,667 --> 02:01:44,947
Speaker 4: is sort of targeted right from the start, which you know,

2394
02:01:45,227 --> 02:01:48,027
Speaker 4: if you're asking other people would be ahead of time.

2395
02:01:48,187 --> 02:01:50,427
Speaker 4: So you really stoked for him and for him to

2396
02:01:50,427 --> 02:01:53,067
Speaker 4: come on at halftime and look like he's.

2397
02:01:52,907 --> 02:01:53,587
Speaker 12: Been there all year.

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Speaker 4: You know, he put on a bit of a clinic

2399
02:01:55,467 --> 02:01:58,747
Speaker 4: kicks fifteen and two, put some boys, you know, in

2400
02:01:59,147 --> 02:02:01,867
Speaker 4: some really nice spots, set up that line break before

2401
02:02:01,907 --> 02:02:05,467
Speaker 4: my try with the bridgeball, Like look like he's playing

2402
02:02:05,467 --> 02:02:08,747
Speaker 4: with lots of confidence right away, which young stoke for him,

2403
02:02:09,627 --> 02:02:12,627
Speaker 4: like it's something that you never want to happen, that

2404
02:02:12,787 --> 02:02:15,427
Speaker 4: can you hinder careers and whatnot if you don't get

2405
02:02:15,467 --> 02:02:17,227
Speaker 4: it right. And yeah, it looks like he's just picking

2406
02:02:17,267 --> 02:02:18,067
Speaker 4: up where he left off.

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Speaker 2: Nice one and just to finish in his absence, a

2408
02:02:20,867 --> 02:02:23,187
Speaker 2: couple of blokes have flooded into ten including Ruben Love

2409
02:02:23,187 --> 02:02:25,347
Speaker 2: who's played there in the last four games. Outside you

2410
02:02:25,627 --> 02:02:27,427
Speaker 2: how much you enjoyed that partnership and hey, you reckon

2411
02:02:27,467 --> 02:02:28,187
Speaker 2: he's going at ten.

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02:02:29,707 --> 02:02:34,107
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great. Well, obviously theater and we've been here

2413
02:02:34,147 --> 02:02:38,467
Speaker 4: the whole time together, so we played once when we're

2414
02:02:39,067 --> 02:02:41,827
Speaker 4: on twenty twenty one at nine. We're both young pups,

2415
02:02:41,907 --> 02:02:44,507
Speaker 4: but so it's been good to I guess build that

2416
02:02:44,547 --> 02:02:48,347
Speaker 4: combination with him, you know, since the opportunity has been there,

2417
02:02:48,387 --> 02:02:51,027
Speaker 4: and yeah, really enjoying it. You know, such a great

2418
02:02:51,027 --> 02:02:54,907
Speaker 4: athlete and so determined to keep getting better each each day.

2419
02:02:54,947 --> 02:02:59,267
Speaker 4: And I guess that game driver, you know, running the

2420
02:02:59,307 --> 02:03:02,747
Speaker 4: game is you know, it's a big challenge for us,

2421
02:03:02,787 --> 02:03:05,907
Speaker 4: and we're still relatively young and so being able to,

2422
02:03:06,027 --> 02:03:09,907
Speaker 4: I guess do that together, especially when we probably had

2423
02:03:09,907 --> 02:03:11,827
Speaker 4: a bit of adversity at the start, you know, trying

2424
02:03:11,867 --> 02:03:14,827
Speaker 4: to find our feet with how we attack and close

2425
02:03:14,827 --> 02:03:17,107
Speaker 4: out games and whatnot. So it's been a great challenge

2426
02:03:17,107 --> 02:03:19,027
Speaker 4: for both of us. And yeah, it's great to see

2427
02:03:19,107 --> 02:03:22,187
Speaker 4: him sort of getting his opportunities and taking them. You know,

2428
02:03:22,267 --> 02:03:26,987
Speaker 4: played another conach last night after tea and you know,

2429
02:03:27,027 --> 02:03:28,707
Speaker 4: putting the boys in the raya in the fields of

2430
02:03:29,107 --> 02:03:32,307
Speaker 4: whatnot and yeah, that's good. It's good to you. Really

2431
02:03:32,387 --> 02:03:33,467
Speaker 4: enjoying playing playing it.

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Speaker 2: In silent Congrats on the win Cam and your significant

2433
02:03:36,947 --> 02:03:38,187
Speaker 2: part of it, mate, and enjoyed the rest of your

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Speaker 2: weekend things for the chat today, Thanks Cam, cam Roug

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Speaker 2: got there on Weekend Sports seven to three.

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Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail, Mary's and the epic field

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Him News Talk ZMB.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations Shelley, you've won the tickets to the football next

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Speaker 2: Saturday night and He's going to be in touch with

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Speaker 2: you about that. Thank you for joining us on the

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Speaker 2: show this afternoon, Tim Beverage After three, we're back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow's show pretty much dedicated to whatever happens in the

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Speaker 2: next twenty one hours, lots of sport to cover off

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Speaker 2: will do it tomorrow. Andy wants our exit song. Thanks

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02:04:11,587 --> 02:04:13,667
Speaker 2: for your work this afternoon. By the way, New.

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