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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you

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Speaker 2: Tris Jason Huson, Willis pr Is with us on the

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Speaker 2: huddle tonight, good evening, good evening, Good to see you.

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Speaker 2: And Josee Bugani's here too, of course, Child Fund CEO

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Speaker 2: jose good evening to you, Hello, Rich Pickings. On the

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Speaker 2: political front today, lots to discuss. Let's start with the

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Speaker 2: poll Trish and where that because lots of people saying

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Speaker 2: who cares? It's margin and vera everything. But is there

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Speaker 2: starting to be a trend? Is it something you worry

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Speaker 2: about in the world of political communication?

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Speaker 3: Well, an embarrassment of riches on this one, Ryan, Yes,

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Speaker 3: it is something that you would worry about because it's

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Speaker 3: a theme. Right. And look at what's happened to Chris

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Speaker 3: Luxon today. Once again he's fronted up to his post

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Speaker 3: cabinet press conference. They wanted the big story today to

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Speaker 3: be about the International Investment Summit, which is coming up

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Speaker 3: at the end of the week, and yet the majority

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Speaker 3: of the questions at the press conference were about the

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, his poll rating, National's poll ratings and if

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Speaker 3: you look at what's happening here. Every week. The conversation

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Speaker 3: about the Prime minister's polling is increasing and the story

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Speaker 3: is leaking more and more into mainstream media. So that's

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Speaker 3: a concern. On the other hand, I completely agree with

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Speaker 3: you that nobody at the stage would really put their

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Speaker 3: hand up and say, gosh, I wish labor.

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Speaker 4: Would back in government, because man, they would do an

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Speaker 4: awesome job. And so it is a it is a

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Speaker 4: I think it's a it's a sort of a grumpy.

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Speaker 4: It's grumpy feedback coming through in these polls. Don't forget

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Speaker 4: that we are quarter on quarter into the worst recession

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Speaker 4: that New Zealand has been in since records began. So

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Speaker 4: it is really a hercule task for this government and

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Speaker 4: New Zealanders. Despite what I do hear Chris Luxon saying

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Speaker 4: a lot, which is New Zealanders are better off. New

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Speaker 4: Zealanders in the majority are a long way behind financially

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Speaker 4: than they still in twenty twenty five, than they were

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty So they are not feeling.

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Speaker 2: Good because we've had deflation, but we haven't had disinflation,

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Speaker 2: which is when you actually go forwards. Josie, what these

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Speaker 2: people who are talking about, oh, well, well you better

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Speaker 2: roll Luxon. What are you saying to them?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean, first of all, it's a vote

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Speaker 5: against the government, not a vote for labor, So I

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Speaker 5: think Labour has to be careful about that in the

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Speaker 5: first place. Ryan, although you would say when I compare

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Speaker 5: Chippy to Luxeon, I mean Chippy Chris Hipkins. He's making

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Speaker 5: the right noises. So he's said today, I think or yesterday,

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Speaker 5: you know, we won't if we get into government, we

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Speaker 5: won't pause or can or what nationals just because they're

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Speaker 5: the other side. You know, we we'll keep the good

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Speaker 5: stuff going. We're talking about jobs, health homes. I'm not

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Speaker 5: just Cinda. He said, I'm going to campaign differently. So

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Speaker 5: he's saying the right things, but that they should be

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Speaker 5: very careful to realize this is not a vote for them.

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Speaker 5: It's a vote against the government. And when I say

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Speaker 5: it's a vote against the government, I think it is

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Speaker 5: a vote against Luxeon. He's having a real problem, isn't he,

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Speaker 5: of connecting with voters. He communicates so badly. I mean

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Speaker 5: that the classic was with Mike in the morning on Breakfast,

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Speaker 5: where you know, a few weeks ago, a week ago

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Speaker 5: or so, he asked a simple question about Andrew Bailey

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Speaker 5: could not answer whether he would have fired him anyway

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Speaker 5: had he not resigned, And there's all these means going

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Speaker 5: around like it's as if his mother's asking him, did

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Speaker 5: you have a good night's sleep, Chris, and he's going, well,

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Speaker 5: what I can say is that I did sleep. Did

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Speaker 5: you have a good sleep? Well, let me be clear,

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Speaker 5: sleep is very important. Oh my god, could you just

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Speaker 5: say answer the question. But then the problem is some

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Speaker 5: are saying, yes, this talk of him being right, and

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised if things don't improve, and as

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Speaker 5: you say, Trish, if people don't start to feel better,

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Speaker 5: that he will be rolled. But there's a problem with

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Speaker 5: people saying, you know, we've just got to let him

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Speaker 5: He's got to be less corporate, just be himself. Well

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Speaker 5: what of himself? Is this terminally inadequate personality for politics?

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Speaker 2: For the thing is that reminded me when you talk

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Speaker 2: saying nothing and talking you around in a circle. Except

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Speaker 2: she would do it for seven minutes, not three, you know.

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Speaker 5: But your thing is right. We've had that for six years.

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Speaker 5: The justinder, we don't want another version of it, Luxen,

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Speaker 5: We just want you to answer the goddamn question. And

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Speaker 5: also I think there's a problem. Look, I wish them

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Speaker 5: luck on the summit for investment because I think it's

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Speaker 5: a good idea. The problem with summits, though, is it

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Speaker 5: sounds like the death knell of a conference. You know,

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Speaker 5: you feel like you've taken a sleeping pill even saying

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Speaker 5: the word. I wonder. And you talked earlier about Australia. Ryan,

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Speaker 5: you know, Bob Hawk in the nineties had a summit.

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Speaker 5: But he got employers, unions and government together and they

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Speaker 5: came up with a right, we won't lift wages, we'll

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Speaker 5: put the extra money into superannuation, we'll get employment down.

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Speaker 5: And it worked. They had a sort of trifector agreement

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Speaker 5: that got Australia back on track for growth. So growth lifted,

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Speaker 5: wages increased, employment dropped. Other than that was a complete failure.

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Speaker 5: But just do something really tangible like that and people

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Speaker 2: All right, Joseph B Beganni Tris Sherson here on the huddle,

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Speaker 2: Trisherson and Josep B. Beganni on the huddle tonight. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to Canada where the incoming Canadian Prime Minister, Mark Karney

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Speaker 2: they've picked the Central Banker, is not holding back. He's

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Speaker 2: going on the attack against Trump and he's trying to

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Speaker 2: separate his party from the Conservatives and Poliev, Pierre Poliev,

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Speaker 2: who's the Conservative leader over there. Evan says, oh, he's

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Speaker 2: a bit weak on Trump. So this new guy for

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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is coming and replacing todde and saying,

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Speaker 2: I'm going a hundi after Donald Trump. That's the strategy, trash.

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Speaker 2: Will it work?

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Speaker 3: It's looking like it's really fertile ground for him. It's interesting,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. You think of the Canadians and what Trump

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Speaker 3: teddy bear. You know, they are sort of known as

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Speaker 3: the nicest country in the world, and no one can

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Speaker 3: going after Canada. Because it's not only the trade with Canada,

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Speaker 3: but think about them geographically and how important they are

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Speaker 3: to the US. I think that world leaders are throwing

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Speaker 3: everything they can at dealing with Trump. So you've seen

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Speaker 3: world leaders need to behave in that has completely shifted.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm going to be really interested to see

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Speaker 3: not only how Carne's how is rhetoric lands at home

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Speaker 3: with the upcoming election, but how it actually lands in

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Speaker 3: terms of Trump and whether it starts to make a

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Speaker 3: difference in terms of what's happening to Canada. Because what

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Speaker 3: made me think about how serious this is was last week,

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Speaker 3: I think it was on the Rest is Politics UK

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Speaker 3: academic politicians and Canada op ed writers who were essentially

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Speaker 3: saying you know, we have to now be prepared to

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Speaker 3: fight for our sovereignty as Canada. And I feel like

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Speaker 3: we're in that sort of boiling frog analogy where you know,

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Speaker 3: Trump has just turned the temperature up so quickly to

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Speaker 3: hide that we're not even registering.

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Speaker 2: The crazy stuff, the crazy stuff. But the reality is, Josie,

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Speaker 2: that he can't do all of the crazy stuff he

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't go and invade Canada and Panama

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure we're taking it with much salt

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Speaker 5: these days, Ryan, I mean, who would have fought in

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Speaker 5: the election campaign when he won and you know, us

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Speaker 5: three we're all doing election night coverage. On the night,

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Speaker 5: have just laughed that was ridiculous. Now he has talked

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Speaker 5: certainly Canada is and Mark Carney, the new Prime Minister,

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Speaker 5: the new Liberal leader, is taking it seriously. I mean,

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Speaker 5: this is this is I mean your right, Trish, Canada

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Speaker 5: in this language of saying, the Americans want our resources,

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Speaker 5: it to them. And if they throw down the gloves,

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Speaker 5: expect duels at dawn. And I think he's he's made

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Speaker 5: we've learned from Trump Mark two, is that if you

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Speaker 5: Look what he did to Justin Trudeau when Trudeau went

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Speaker 5: to mar Lago. But Carnie's taken the other sort of

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Speaker 5: game theory approach. So game theory is like you know,

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Speaker 5: hatting each other. So you know, good on them. This

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting take, especially

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Speaker 2: as you say, from such a friendly neighbor. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, both of you for coming on tonight. There's

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Speaker 2: a many great texts I want to say, but there

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Speaker 2: is one text here that just says, this woman is

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Speaker 2: an idiot. And the thing is, I don't know which

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Speaker 2: of you they're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Me? Right?

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Speaker 3: Can you go back and look at the time stamp

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Speaker 3: on that.

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Speaker 2: I think we will to the audio.

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Speaker 5: So much to be true, but I know it's going

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Speaker 2: No, you don't count yourself out like that. We'll go

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Speaker 2: and get the receipts.

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