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Speaker 1: Interesting op ed. This is from the Conversation Chris Gledhill,

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Speaker 1: they professor of Law at Auckland University of Technology and

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Speaker 1: opeed about the government's new gang legislation. It argues that

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Speaker 1: the changes that are being made and some last minute

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Speaker 1: ones could impinge on the Bill of Rights, and it

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Speaker 1: makes some good points. It also says this people join

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Speaker 1: gangs for various reasons. For some it is a matter

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Speaker 1: of family connections. For others, gang membership may arise from

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Speaker 1: being marginalized from society. The Royal Commission on Abuse and

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Speaker 1: Care highlighted that abuse was also a pathway into gang membership,

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Speaker 1: and a twenty eighteen a report highlighted that imprisonment feeds

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Speaker 1: gang recruitment. So you don't have a choice if you

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Speaker 1: are poor, if you have family in a gang, if

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Speaker 1: you went to jail and they recruited you in jail,

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Speaker 1: that's on society, not on you. You don't have a

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Speaker 1: choice in the matter. It's a crucial part of the

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Speaker 1: puzzle because it sets up the entire system of response

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Speaker 1: to dealing with the problem. Right, if you're not responsible

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Speaker 1: or capable of saying no to a gang life, how

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Speaker 1: can you be punished for that association is the expectation

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Speaker 1: that if you join a gang and you've been raised

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Speaker 1: in a household that is associated with a gang, that

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Speaker 1: you are impoverished, that you don't know what is right

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Speaker 1: and what is wrong, and if so, how can you

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Speaker 1: be punished? You know? N two the number to text.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed a guy called Puck out of the Hawks Bay.

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Speaker 1: He was with the Mangol mob. This is years ago,

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Speaker 1: and he was done for a homicide, spent time in prison,

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Speaker 1: but then turned his life around, had a positive role

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Speaker 1: model and he knew what he had done was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I sat down with him for a good couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: had a good chat. He knew what he had done

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Speaker 1: was wrong and was remorseful and really sorry and wanted

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Speaker 1: to apologize to the people that he had heard. And

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Speaker 1: then I found out about a year later in jail

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Speaker 1: he had turned his life around. In fact, the then

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Cindra Dernad use him as an example of

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Speaker 1: somebody who could turn their life around with a positive

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Speaker 1: role model, etc. Anyway, he then did some horrendous domestic

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Speaker 1: violence stuff, dealing meth in prison. I mean, you name it.

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Speaker 1: So there's a guy who I know knows what he

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Speaker 1: did was wrong, you know, and he had bad influences

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Speaker 1: growing up. All on that SLF knows what he did

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Speaker 1: was wrong, but did it anyway? For more from News

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