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Speaker 1: Quick word on the rugby high school rugby it's in

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Speaker 1: for a shake up. New proposal. Kids won't play fifteen

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Speaker 1: aside anymore until they get to high school. Planners ten

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Speaker 1: a side up to year seven thirteen aside in year

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Speaker 1: eight and the participation development manager at the Rugby Union,

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Speaker 1: Mike Hesters with us, Mike, good morning, Good morning. Jeez.

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Speaker 1: You love mucking around with the rules and stuff, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Ah, always looking to innovate and evolve the game.

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Speaker 1: What's what's the point?

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Speaker 2: So we make these changes to ensure that we keep

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Speaker 2: kids in the game. We continue to work on that

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Speaker 2: rugby more appealing and enjoyable, safer, but also providing opportunities

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Speaker 2: for kids to continue his skill developments so that when

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Speaker 2: they do reach those sort of late teenage years and

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Speaker 2: that opt years, that they've got all the skill sets

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Speaker 2: and experiences in the game sense that they need to

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Speaker 2: reach the ambition they've got, whether it's to play locally

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Speaker 2: in the community or to issue a professional career.

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Speaker 1: How literally does that play out with ten aside? What's

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Speaker 1: literally the difference between ten and fifteen.

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Speaker 2: What we know is that through modern sports research is

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Speaker 2: that we want to try and give kids more oportunities

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Speaker 2: to get their hands on the ball, to be more

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Speaker 2: more engaged, and obviously the more numbers you have on

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Speaker 2: the field, it means those opportunities or those manyful minutes

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Speaker 2: do they're adminished and so when they're going through there

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Speaker 2: sort of development stages, particularly as they're learning, we want

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Speaker 2: to try and maximize those minutes. So hence why over

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Speaker 2: the year groups it gradually grows from sort of seven

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Speaker 2: a side through to the full fifth manasi is.

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Speaker 1: This a proposal or is it a done deal? And

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Speaker 1: who you're proposing it to.

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Speaker 2: We've been implementing changes in the space for the last

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Speaker 2: five years, so we've done about five the age groups

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Speaker 2: so far and the last of the changes are going

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Speaker 2: through in twenty twenty six. The second tranch of work

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Speaker 2: starts to earn us now with sort of consultation with

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Speaker 2: clubs and schools and communities around what does it look

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Speaker 2: like from sort of twelve thirteen, fourteen, and obviously in

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Speaker 2: our system because we had junior rugby played up to

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Speaker 2: under thirteen's and then it transitions to largely secondary school

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Speaker 2: rugby in all places, but mostly then we obviously need

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Speaker 2: to start engaging with clubs and schools around how that works.

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Speaker 2: So those proposals will be sharing those with our communities

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Speaker 2: this year and keen to get their feedback on how

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Speaker 2: that might be rolled out.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff might go, well appreciate it. Mike Hester, New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Rugby Eyes and the sharly under sevens. As a prop,

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Speaker 1: and he's right, as a prop. If you saw the

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Speaker 1: size of me, you go, how did that happen? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it was, It was a prop. And while after the

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Speaker 1: scrum collapsed, because it always collapsed because we weren't very good. Literally,

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Speaker 1: by the time you got up from the collapse scrum,

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Speaker 1: the ball would be literally down the other end of

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Speaker 1: the field and all you do is run for the

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Speaker 1: next scrum. And that's why I am not in all black,

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Speaker 1: because it would have been close. Believe me.

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