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Speaker 1: Do Britain we go wrong, little morning mate, Good mone

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Speaker 1: to you mate, Hewitwoods is not in jail. Are we surprised?

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Speaker 2: No, not remotely, and in many cases for good reasons

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Speaker 2: that you know, he should be treated the same way

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Speaker 2: as everyone else charged with the same offenses should be treated,

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Speaker 2: which is that you know, he downloaded appalling stuff on

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Speaker 2: child Paul from the Internet. But by and large the

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Speaker 2: sentence for people who do that is a suspended sentence

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Speaker 2: if he hasn't had a previous conviction. And he's had

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Speaker 2: no previous conviction. So I don't think there's much worry

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Speaker 2: about that. There's more worry about the way the BBC

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Speaker 2: handled it. There's more worry about the way the BBC

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Speaker 2: bumped in two hundred grand and he's still got it,

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Speaker 2: and there's a general worry about the way the BBC

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Speaker 2: conduct is affect I don't think that the actual sentencing

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Speaker 2: and the judicial procedure through which Hugh Edwards sadly went,

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Speaker 2: And it is sad because he was, you know, a

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Speaker 2: bloke I knew quite well, never liked him hugely, he

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Speaker 2: says now obviously, but didn't. But it's there is still

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Speaker 2: this suspicion more than a suspicion that the BBC crowds

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Speaker 2: around the people who it values and refuses them to

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Speaker 2: be subjected to the same scrutiny that would happen to

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Speaker 2: other people in society, which is what happened, of course

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Speaker 2: with Jimmy Sepple.

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Speaker 1: Exactly does anybody ever quote, I mean outside of you obviously,

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Speaker 1: but at a higher level, given at all publicly funded,

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Speaker 1: does anyone at government label liby guy actually that that's

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Speaker 1: not a bad point, Rod or whoever else? Maybe we

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Speaker 1: need to have a look at the BBC in the

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Speaker 1: way they operate.

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Speaker 2: No. I think a few Tories probably did, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think they do anymore. And I certainly don't think

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Speaker 2: the current government, which is about to make some sort

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Speaker 2: of alliance with the BBC, I think over its continued

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Speaker 2: license fee. No, it will continue to be this vast

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Speaker 2: organization which does many many good things, you know, but

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Speaker 2: which nonetheless lives its life in a bubble and against

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Speaker 2: to the accusations of bias grow by the day and

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Speaker 2: are almost in contestable. It's a real problem, the BBC.

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Speaker 2: And it's a problem I think not just for you know,

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Speaker 2: the right which hates it, but also to the left,

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Speaker 2: which thinks it's.

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Speaker 1: Fine Starmer and Maloney. I don't know that you could

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Speaker 1: get two more current politicians who would have less and

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Speaker 1: common apart from the migrant issue. Is there a deal

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Speaker 1: to be done here in some way, shape or form

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Speaker 1: or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is yes, I think there is. This is

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Speaker 2: important because this is Starma reaching out to Europe. So

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Speaker 2: Starma's vision is to reach out to Europe in a

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Speaker 2: way which obviously the Conservative Party didn't do because we

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Speaker 2: left the European Union. So if you follow that kind

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Speaker 2: of logic, it means that you have to reach out

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Speaker 2: to people who really don't share your point of view.

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Speaker 2: And basically Georgia Maloney, who has been described in the

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Speaker 2: English media and the BBC particularly today is far right,

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Speaker 2: which is what they described as anyone who is actually

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Speaker 2: entering a hole towards Satan, is actually basically a saturate.

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Speaker 2: And there are some similarities between what Starma may feel

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Speaker 2: about the way in which the economy is ordered and

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Speaker 2: the way which Georgia Maloney feel the economy should be ordered.

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Speaker 2: He has gone to great lens to say, look, I

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Speaker 2: don't agree with Maloney about loads of stuff, but there

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Speaker 2: are things we can learn from her, and there are

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Speaker 2: you know, Italy has cut its immigrant quota by sixty

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Speaker 2: four percent in the last year. You know, it's done

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Speaker 2: a really really good job, partly through dubious deals and

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Speaker 2: everything that sorts this out will be dubious with Libya, Algeria,

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Speaker 2: to Unisia and Albania. And I think, you know, if

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Speaker 2: if labor can grasp this and move forward on it

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Speaker 2: in a way, they can do it more easily than

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Speaker 2: the Tories could, who were always seen as being persecuting

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Speaker 2: the refugees. There is some future for it.

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Speaker 1: With Kiars done very interesting. Just quickly, Rod, to wrap

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Speaker 1: this up. How much did the doctors get me in

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Speaker 1: the junior doctors.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two percent? Exactly what they asked for, twenty percent,

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Speaker 2: twenty two percent. You know, it's just at a time

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Speaker 2: when they are telling us that there is no money

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Speaker 2: in the economy to give the junior doctors, who were

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Speaker 2: already very well paid twenty two percent. It's people will

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Speaker 2: wake up and they will see how absurd that is.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, go well, mate, we'll catch up Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Rod.

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Speaker 1: Little The problem for Kearstamarund of the other story, we

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Speaker 1: didn't have time to cover off today is this bloke

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Speaker 1: and it's not just him. Over the year has been

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Speaker 1: many people, but one of the people who gives money

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Speaker 1: to the Labor Party is Lord Wahi Dali. Anyway, some

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Speaker 1: of the money he gave turned up to be clothing

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Speaker 1: for Sakia and his wife, Lady Victoria. And who's Lady

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Speaker 1: Victoria turned up in literally today they said, is that

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Speaker 1: one of yours, Lady Victoria, is it And the problem

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Speaker 1: with that is of course that's going to haunt them forever.

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