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Speaker 1: So we've got a public inquiry into the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: the Tom Phillips and has children. That'll look at where

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Speaker 1: the government agencies took all practicable steps to protect the

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Speaker 1: children's safety and welfared Judith Collins as the ag and

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Speaker 1: as with.

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Speaker 2: Us good morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Is this standard or driven by genuine specific concern?

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact is that's very genuine specific concern. We

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Speaker 2: haven't had anything quite like this that I can certainly

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Speaker 2: recall children taken off by their father, essentially kidnapped and

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Speaker 2: then on the run for almost four years in the

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Speaker 2: bush with all sorts of people trying to do something,

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Speaker 2: but actually nothing that we can see if each way

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Speaker 2: is until he was shot and their children then saved.

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Speaker 1: In looking at the agencies involved, the government agencies involved,

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Speaker 1: do we I mean you will know were there agencies

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Speaker 1: involved with the family prior to the event.

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Speaker 2: I don't actually know that one. From what I can see,

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Speaker 2: it would be unusual if they work given the whole

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Speaker 2: family caught decisions around custody. So I think what we

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Speaker 2: do need to find out is what how did they react?

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Speaker 2: Goes you know, obviously want to take this back a

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Speaker 2: little way. This inquiry so that they can actually look

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Speaker 2: at what the agencies were doing and how they were

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Speaker 2: doing it. But I think too, you know, some we'll

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Speaker 2: find that some of the agencies or the agencies will

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Speaker 2: have done some stuff that people don't know about what

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Speaker 2: was really good. The trouble is we don't know about that,

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Speaker 2: and secondly those children might not know. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is going for the public and for us all to

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Speaker 2: know about how things worked or didn't work, but actually

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Speaker 2: it's really for the children. So I mean, once they

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Speaker 2: grow up a little bit, like I think, a really

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Speaker 2: helpful thing if they know that some people tried very

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Speaker 2: hard for them.

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Speaker 1: How constrained must have been. How constrained does mister Moore

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Speaker 1: on this, given he's constrained.

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Speaker 2: With him within the terms of reference, which are quite white.

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Speaker 2: But they're also not going down the pathway of reviewing

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Speaker 2: the whole family courts or looking at the system as

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Speaker 2: such as saying what happened in this case, So we

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Speaker 2: have to be otherwise we could be going on for years,

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Speaker 2: and factly I think we need to get this done,

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Speaker 2: get some answers, and give these kids something that when

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Speaker 2: they're a little bit older, they can say some people

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Speaker 2: try their best. Some people obviously you didn't succeed, but

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Speaker 2: at least somebody tried.

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Speaker 1: And how constrained will we be, given the courts and

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Speaker 1: the legals around it, that we will ever hear the

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Speaker 1: full story?

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Speaker 2: I think we'll know enough that we need to know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's a lot of rumors flying around

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Speaker 2: on this, and it is important though that the detail

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Speaker 2: is to how how this was able to happen. Were

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Speaker 2: there things that government agencies could have done better? Are

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Speaker 2: there any lessons there are? There also some people who

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Speaker 2: might who might shine actually frankly from it, But I

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Speaker 2: think we do need to know that we don't need

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Speaker 2: to know all the gruesome details. We certainly don't need

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Speaker 2: to know what's happened with the children. Since we don't

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Speaker 2: need to know what's happened to the children in the bush,

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean that's my view. Why because it's

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Speaker 2: number one, there's suppression orders, but also number two it's

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Speaker 2: just common decency. Frankly, these kids need a chance to

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Speaker 2: have a life.

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Speaker 1: Good on you, I appreciate I have a good weekend,

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Speaker 1: Judith Collins, the Attorney General. For more from the Mic

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