1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,800 Speaker 1: Very soperc here. 2 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 2: Hey Berry, good Ryan, I must I say at the 3 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: outset that you're always talking about what you're earning. You'll 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: say you earn a pittance. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: That is true. Exactly if you earned a lot, you 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell anyone, would you. 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Were you're always complaining? 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Hey, are we softening our anti nuclear stance with India? 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: What's the story about? Or is it rubbish? 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: This it's rubbish. I mean, we're not. I mean if 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: it means saying something to the extent that Chris Luxen 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: said to the Indian Prime Minister to soften the Indians 13 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: up in some way towards a free trade agreement as Switzerland. 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: They've got a free trade agreement and they now agree 15 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: that they well, they don't say they'll support because India 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: can't join the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Now, this Suppliers Group's 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: got nothing to do with weapons. It's about the transfer 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: of nuclear technology in terms of building nuclear power stations 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: and the like. Now in the statement that both the 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: leaders made was they acknowledged the importance of upholding the 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: global Nuclear Disarmament and non Proliferation Regime. Now that's important 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: for India because they won't sign the Non Proliferation Pact. 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: They say it's discriminatory. That's why they won't go there. 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what they base that argument on. Nevertheless, 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: they say that, but both leaders acknowledge the value of 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: India A joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group in the context 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: of the predictability for India's clean energy goals. Now, without 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: some sort of nuclear power plants and stuff, you're not 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: going to achieve zero carbon by twenty fifty and country 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: after country is now dropping out of that. So for 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins to come out and say, oh, they've put 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: foreign anti nuclear foreign policy up for grabs is plainly ridiculous. 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: He's got to look what happens in the context of 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: all chief shot. 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: It's a check shot, but it raises an instant question Barry, 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: that you can't have all your principles and values and 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: virtues all at once, can you. I mean, at some 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: point you've got to click between climate change yet, your 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: climate change credentials and your anti nuclear starts. 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean in the end, that's what it 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: probably will come down to, because you can't achieve these 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: goals without nuclear exactly. 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: Now, this Comarto Dean Wickliffe aka convicted murderer and then 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: manslaughter should be released from prison. 45 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: According to Tamitha Paul. Now she's the Green MP. What's 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: wrong with Wellington Central these days? They gave her more 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: than a six thousand vote majority there over the Labor incumbent, 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: who wasn't very good anyway, but you know it's a 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: relatively important seat and they've given it to this woman. 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: They were riding bikes and that you get a lot 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: of head knocks and you ride a bike. 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: I lived in Wellington Central for many years, but it's incredible, 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: so it's very Green moment. But Dean Wickliffe, he is 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: one of the most notorious criminals in this country. He 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: walked into a jeweler's store in Wellington, as we said 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: the other day, shot a man, shot the jeweler, Peter 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: met with a pistol and then walked out. Later he 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: was he appealed as conviction for murder and he got 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: off a manslaughter saying that he didn't really mean to 60 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: shoot him, whereas he walked in with a loaded pistol. 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: I don't quite know how that went. But nevertheless, the 62 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: Green Party, through Tamotha Pool, is calling for the compassionate 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: release of Dean Wickcliffe, who's now seventy seven. They say 64 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: they refer to him as Coomar to her. Now, in 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: my book, Comar Tour is a respected mildy older. Well, 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: I don't know how he achieved that status, but nevertheless, 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: the I think the biggest record that Dean Cliffe, Dean 68 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: Wickcliffe has ever had in his life is escaping from 69 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: Perima Remo maximum security prison twice. Yeah, I mean, he's 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: very good at that. But they say, look, he should 71 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: be released because you know his protest he's on a 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: hunger strike exactly. 73 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: But this annoys me Bury because if I can understand 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: if he was beaten up by a security guard at 75 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the prison, then that should be followed up and out with, 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: and whether that happens to a murderer or a shoplifter 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: or whatever. But asking the government to get involved in 78 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: the release of a prisoner. 79 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: They said the Minister of Corrections. Now, don't forget Tim 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: of the Paul is a correction spokesperson for the Greens, 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: so theoretically in a coalition government she could be the 82 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: Corrections Minister. But so you know, she says that people 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: in prison are human beings and have rights and the 84 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: minister has a duty to ensure that those rights are 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: uphold well. Paul told us on TikTok today, this is 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: another one of her activities that tonight she'll be talking 87 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: about the abolition of the police. 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: I'm doing an event at the University of Canterbury with 89 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: p Section Autotah to talk about the police and what 90 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: alternatives we could have to the police and what radical 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: kind of police abolition could look like in real terms. 92 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 2: Anarky. I think the answer to that one is like 93 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: an answer that straight away. But look, she is this 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: police police spokeswoman for the Greens. Along with corrections of course, 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: so you know she's there to speak about these things. 96 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: They'll get votes out of that. Barry votes. 97 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: Well, if you Green, you may do. Yeah, goodness, God forbid. 98 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: All right, Barry, thank you very much for that very 99 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: so pad News Talks'd be senior political correspondent. 100 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 101 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: News Talks. 102 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 103 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.