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Speaker 1: Dire straight of our infrastructure is being laid bare. Just

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Speaker 1: north of Auckland at the moment, bunch of oyster farms

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Speaker 1: you'd probably read have been closed because of neuro virus

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Speaker 1: raw sewage, which was once only found in the harbor

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Speaker 1: when the weather had you know, like really been shocking.

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Speaker 1: Now basically it happens every time it rains, and the

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Speaker 1: council in the water Care know about it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: stop picking. You know, it hasn't done anything to stop

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Speaker 1: people going out of business now. Tom Walters is the

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Speaker 1: owner of Madican Roysters and as with us, Tom, morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning. MIT's having me on.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. So you're basically just a small sample

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Speaker 1: of a wide and neglect and a lack of planning

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Speaker 1: and all the other stuff that's gone wrong with this country.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. The only little bit of an anomaly here

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Speaker 2: is that we produce food and the waterways that this

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Speaker 2: is happening too well the farm.

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Speaker 1: Will you be back? Do you think is there's something

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Speaker 1: happening when watercare going and we're very thorry and something

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Speaker 1: will happen by twenty twenty eight. Will you be around

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight at this.

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Speaker 2: Current stage, probably not. There could be some temporary measures

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Speaker 2: that we've been begging them to put in place for

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Speaker 2: the last three years that could come in the a

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Speaker 2: few months time, maybe four or five months time, but

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Speaker 2: it's a bit too little, too late for us, and

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Speaker 2: even then that might just be flapping band aid in

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Speaker 2: a situation that might not be able to really mitigate

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Speaker 2: the effects because the volumes have got so out of

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Speaker 2: control in the last couple of years, especially this year.

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Speaker 1: When they say they're sorry for you, do you think

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Speaker 1: they really care or not?

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. The word sympathy is used. It's

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Speaker 2: never been sorry. There's no accountability. There's no compensation for

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Speaker 2: the fact that the growth of the area and development

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Speaker 2: that water Care and the council have profited from have

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Speaker 2: turned our well, have costed our farms, our livelihoods and

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Speaker 2: the environment from that. You know, there's no accountability whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: The stories don't matter. We can't pay our bills, we

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Speaker 2: can't feed our kids, and we're looking at the end

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Speaker 2: of the line here.

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Speaker 1: It's a funny thing, isn't I read your social media

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Speaker 1: stuff over the weekend because I'm sort of local up

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Speaker 1: in that area, and you were talking about accountability or

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Speaker 1: lack of it. I mean, in America, there'd be some

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Speaker 1: sort of class action, wouldn't they. I mean, these people

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Speaker 1: are responsible for what they do. They haven't done it.

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Speaker 1: You're suffering because of it, and really someone should pay absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean the way that they can get away with

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Speaker 2: it was very careful manipulations of discharge consents, the class

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Speaker 2: a river that people swim, fish, kayak, catiboard playing as

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Speaker 2: low recreational use and very low public health risk. It's

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Speaker 2: very very criminal in my opinion, and in all honesty,

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Speaker 2: you've got, yeah, you've just got such a terrible, terrible

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Speaker 2: situation where people haven't been told. The public haven't been

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Speaker 2: told until this week a few signs went out on

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Speaker 2: the wharf that there is such a healthhead that's incredibly dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Nora a virus is what we find when we do

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Speaker 2: our testing. It's an incredibly dangerous pathogen.

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Speaker 1: All I can do is wish you well. Tom. I

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Speaker 1: feel for you Walters. He's one of many oyster farmers

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Speaker 1: in that particular. It's just north of Auckland. The upside

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Speaker 1: is the area is a boom area. People are moving

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Speaker 1: there for very obvious reasons. The infrastructure hasn't kept up,

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing's a cluster. For more from the

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