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Speaker 1: A tremendous amount of soul searching. Now for the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: of course, a one term president defeat to a bloke

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Speaker 1: they told you should never ever be anywhere near power

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Speaker 1: ever again, and yet America could not agree less, it seems.

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Speaker 1: Former Lay Times editor and author of Camel's Way in

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Speaker 1: American Life, Dan Marine's with us. Dan, very good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, Well, good morning to you. Were you surprised?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, well, I certainly thought it would be

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Speaker 2: closer than it is. And I actually thought Harris was

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Speaker 2: going to win, you know, but do I know?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Well, based on what.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought, she had momentum. So here are a

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Speaker 2: couple things that I thought, really, we're gonna tip it.

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Speaker 2: She raised over a billion dollars to his less than

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Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars. Now, money doesn't always determine the outcome,

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Speaker 2: but it sure helps. And she had this incredible get

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Speaker 2: out the vote effort in the swing states, and he

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Speaker 2: was relying on something that was much less organized than

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Speaker 2: what the Democrats did. So and those were the two

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Speaker 2: factors that I thought met that she was more likely

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Speaker 2: than not to win. And also there was that poll

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Speaker 2: out of Iowa over the weekend that showed her winning

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Speaker 2: and I thought that that was that would be quite telling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, it was right.

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Speaker 2: Again, what do I know? I thought Hillary Clinton was

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Speaker 2: going to win in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: That was different. It's funny that because it's one of

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Speaker 1: the sort of seminal moments of my life. I happened

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Speaker 1: and it was different to the extent. People didn't just

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Speaker 1: think Clinton was going to win. She was going to win.

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Speaker 1: She was going to be the first woman president, and

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Speaker 1: they just could not get their head around it that

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Speaker 1: she didn't whereas I suspect this time, yeah, you wanted

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Speaker 1: her to win. Yeah, she could win, but it wasn't

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Is that fair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I was an editorial page editor at a

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Speaker 2: regional paper in Sacramento, b and wrote the editorial welcoming

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton as the next president, and before that ran,

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Speaker 2: of course, he won Trump one and I had to

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Speaker 2: rewrite it and welcome Trump as ex president. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: people were absolutely convinced this was close. You know, this

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Speaker 2: was close, and I mean certainly until last week I

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Speaker 2: thought it was a toss up, and then but over

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Speaker 2: the weekend it came to conclude that, well, she was

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Speaker 2: more likely than not to win. But you know, again,

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Speaker 2: what do I know? These are You know, we are

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Speaker 2: such a divided country. We're not the only one. You know,

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Speaker 2: there is this populous move in many countries around the nation.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of surprising that it's here, but here we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your view, by the way, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you're on the program, given what's happening with the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post in the LA Times. What's your view with an endorsement?

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Speaker 1: Is that now done as a thing at election time?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. But I also think that that how

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Speaker 2: one endorses in a presidential campaign really doesn't matter. People

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Speaker 2: have so much information they know who they're going to

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Speaker 2: vote for for president. But on down the ballot, you know,

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Speaker 2: we vote for judges here, we vote for school board members. Here,

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Speaker 2: we vote for you know, all kinds of offices, and

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Speaker 2: in those instances, a newspaper, a news organization endorsement really

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Speaker 2: does matter, but less so for president. I don't exactly

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Speaker 2: understand the thinking of Patrick Sunscheng, the owner of the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Times, or Jeff Bezos, the owner of the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post, what their motivation was they say it was journalistic.

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Speaker 2: I wonder whether there was some business reason. These news

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Speaker 2: organizations are not their main business interests as you know.

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Speaker 1: No exactly, but I'll said, there's a credibility issue with

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Speaker 1: the media anyway, and endorsement doesn't help. You would disagree

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not as if the Washington Post is going

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Speaker 2: to be viewed as a pro Trump news organization. It's

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Speaker 2: it's it's highly critical. It's columnists or by and large,

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Speaker 2: very critical of Trump. So you know, it's viewed as

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Speaker 2: a liberal news organization. You know, it's news. It's news

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Speaker 1: Having written Kamala's why in American life? Will they pin

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Speaker 1: it on Kamala? Will they pin it on Biden? Will

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Speaker 1: they pin it on both of them? Or can they

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Speaker 1: pin it on the democratic view of the world in general?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're gonna are going to be picking

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Speaker 2: over this for for months, if not years. What what

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Speaker 2: what happened in this election? You know, I think Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris ran as good a race as she possibly could

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Speaker 2: have run in a three month period of time. You know,

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden stuck it out until until he couldn't stick

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Speaker 2: if he had announced two years ago that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going to run for reelection, there would have been an

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Speaker 2: open primary and on the Democratic side, and they would

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Speaker 2: have found it out. Nobody knows yet. There are you know,

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Speaker 2: Trump ran on the economy and and things do cost

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Speaker 2: more today than they did four years ago. Now there

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Speaker 2: are a bunch of reasons for that, but his argument

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Speaker 2: and you know, people vote their pocket book. That's certainly

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Speaker 2: the case. That clearly were not thinking about Ukraine when

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Speaker 2: that that you know, that's going to be a huge,

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Speaker 2: big result. I think fallout from this election.

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Speaker 1: One of a number I suspective, Dan, listen, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: talking to you. Nice to meet with you. Dan Moraine,

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Speaker 1: who is the former La Times editor and author of

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Speaker 1: Carmela's Way in American Lives. For more from the Mic,

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