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Speaker 2: Thank you, cut, good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks HEADB. Sunday July sixth, the day after the

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Speaker 2: first All Blacks test of the year. We're live in

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Speaker 2: a sunny but slightly chilly Dunedin again today. Unfortunately we're

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Speaker 2: not at Emerson's Pub as we were yesterday. What a

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Speaker 2: to unpack today what happened under the roof last night.

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Speaker 3: And a so called second strength freak side has delivered

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Speaker 3: a first rate performance, but the All Blacks hang on

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Speaker 3: twin Test number one of twenty twenty five thirty one

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Speaker 2: He job done, but plenty of work to do for

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks. Assistant coach Jason Holland is standing by

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Speaker 2: to chat with us. Former All Black and our expert

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Speaker 2: night Paul Miller. After one, we'll also hear the postmatch

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Speaker 2: thoughts and reflections of Cam Roy, guard Will Jordan and

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Speaker 2: debutans Fabian Holland and Duplasi Kadifi. But the thoughts I

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Speaker 2: really want, as usual, are yours lines open all afternoon

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Speaker 2: to dissect this one other matters around Today, the Warriors

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Speaker 2: This afternoon they meet the Roosters in Sydney. Five eighth.

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Speaker 2: Patricia maliepfo is on the show, and we'll keep eyes

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Speaker 2: on the game when it kicks off just before two.

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Speaker 2: That junior to All Blacks will meet Slovenia in the

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Speaker 2: playoff for third and fourth at the Under nineteen World

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Speaker 2: and the semi five finals this morning. But just how

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Speaker 2: Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Having given it the overnight test, how do

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Speaker 2: you evaluate the first performance of the year in general terms?

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Speaker 5: Ah yeah, look, obviously good to want to test pitch,

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Speaker 5: but we're you know, lots of lots of things where

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Speaker 5: we need to grow and we need to improve pretty quickly. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: we created a lot of opportunities and didn't finish a lot.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we probably would have liked to put

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Speaker 5: there's a couple of key areas where we've tendified and

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Speaker 5: our week up to make sure we get improvements this week.

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Speaker 2: How do you set the week up to get those improvements?

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Speaker 2: Where do you place your specific focus?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we'll we'll spend a lot of a lot

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of it will be around some

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Speaker 5: And another obvious one that stand out at the moment

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Speaker 5: It's a time and it's probably a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a lot of bubble ball and scraps come from from

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Speaker 5: the contest last night. We know you when you play

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Speaker 5: the friend which they play, that's their style. They like

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Speaker 5: to you know, they kick a lot and they want

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Speaker 5: it's a big part of as I say, some of

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Speaker 7: So we'll definitely put a lot of time into that.

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Speaker 8: This week.

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Speaker 2: Three disallowed tries. What level of frustration did that bring?

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Speaker 5: you know, executing something really well and then it gets

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Speaker 5: turned over. But look, I think a lot of that

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Speaker 5: just look at our our little accuracies around those things

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Speaker 5: that stopped those things becoming an issue. So yeah, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 8: But it's one of those things.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes you get the fifty to fifty and sometimes

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Speaker 5: everything and everything you can control.

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Speaker 2: No issue with any of them.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, Look, I personally I think the last one

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Speaker 5: is was a real fifty fifty around that obstruction. It's

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Speaker 5: it's an interesting called that you know, get around of

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Speaker 5: real consistency around that one. But yeah, it's one of

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Speaker 2: How much did the very very early loss of severa

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not for Sieve.

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Speaker 5: He's He's obviously had a pretty pretty good super and

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Speaker 5: got an unfortunate to the head there, So yeah, it

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Speaker 5: was unfortunate obviously trained trained all week or trained for

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Speaker 2: Just on world Jordan. That's forty tries now in forty

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Speaker 2: What makes them so effective as a constant try scoring threat, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Think we all see the pace he has and the

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Speaker 5: it is understandable the game. You know, he knows where

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Speaker 5: it helps that you're blustering quick and you can finish things,

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Speaker 5: but his ability to his ability to see the game

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Speaker 2: Yeah, special player Jase, with a four point lead and

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Speaker 5: Look, we put a bit of quite a bit of

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Speaker 2: Last team and your assessment of the positional tweaks you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think with troops is like he sees

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Speaker 7: Much you know running there was when you play on

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Speaker 5: Going from side to side, you're in the backfield. So

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Speaker 5: you know, it's good looking forward to then continuing in

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Speaker 2: And for debutantes last night, including Duplas Kalifia, of course

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Speaker 2: you worked very closely with during your time at the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: How pleased were you for him to watch him make

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Speaker 2: a test table last night?

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Speaker 5: Mate, Like Dups has worked really harder had his game

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Speaker 8: Being a smart player.

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Speaker 5: You know, he was always unbelievable over the ball and

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Speaker 5: some really greatfulty. But all three of the you know,

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Speaker 2: Just to finish, Jose to France, bring anything you didn't

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Speaker 5: No, no, I so pretty much got what we expected.

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Speaker 5: As I said, spile of play was not playing in

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Speaker 2: For incidents like that, I honestly believe we have to

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that varies. The problem is he's probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get I get the mark, I get the

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Speaker 2: I totally at that Fletcher Newels one. But like I said,

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Speaker 9: a number of plays where you know the referees done that,

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Speaker 9: And I'm just wondering, is there an actual limit to

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Speaker 2: No, there is. It is two phases and look, Fletcher

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Speaker 9: can't understand why we haven't spent more time, whether we

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, look, I think they I actually thought

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Speaker 2: And then when France were kicking, You're dead right, Mark.

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Speaker 2: I think they contested brilliantly. They made it a they

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Speaker 2: not last night they slapped it back on their side.

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Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. There is work to do there.

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Speaker 12: I mean, he's a tiny little man, but he wins

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Speaker 9: Or something like that. There's something that's not being coached

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Speaker 2: Good man, Mark, great points, well made as always, eight

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Speaker 2: two for your text messages. Gavin says, Jason absolutely love

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Speaker 2: the TMO is just destroying the game. It makes you

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Speaker 2: wonder why we actually have a ref when the TMO

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Speaker 2: totally get why it was broad in and someone's made

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Speaker 2: In the case of the knock on, fine, in the

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Speaker 2: But in the case of obstruction, play on twelve twenty

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Speaker 3: Well Jordan Well.

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Speaker 2: Jordan's second try could have had three but for the

432
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Speaker 2: intervention of the TMO and the referee. Back to the

433
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Speaker 2: lines in a sec Gary says piney Angus Gardner refereed

434
00:22:10,907 --> 00:22:13,987
Speaker 2: the game this morning Argentina, England. The TMO wanted him

435
00:22:13,987 --> 00:22:15,987
Speaker 2: to go back and look at potential foul play. The

436
00:22:16,027 --> 00:22:18,467
Speaker 2: TMO wanted him to change his point of view, but

437
00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:20,867
Speaker 2: he and the other linesman said, that's not how we

438
00:22:20,907 --> 00:22:23,467
Speaker 2: see it. No penalty play on. There has to be

439
00:22:23,507 --> 00:22:26,507
Speaker 2: some common sense for the officials on the field and

440
00:22:26,587 --> 00:22:30,507
Speaker 2: sometimes tell the TMO to go away. Thanks Gerry, you

441
00:22:30,547 --> 00:22:33,267
Speaker 2: are very restrained in the way you said that. Appreciate

442
00:22:33,307 --> 00:22:35,707
Speaker 2: your text, mate, are your yes? Your text? Hello Martin

443
00:22:37,187 --> 00:22:37,507
Speaker 2: a mate?

444
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Speaker 7: How are you blunny?

445
00:22:38,667 --> 00:22:39,747
Speaker 2: Very good Martin.

446
00:22:41,187 --> 00:22:44,947
Speaker 7: Mate, Like say five to sixty seven years ago, there

447
00:22:44,987 --> 00:22:47,227
Speaker 7: is no way in how that I would like I

448
00:22:47,267 --> 00:22:50,187
Speaker 7: would miss an All Blacks game, you know, like I'd

449
00:22:50,187 --> 00:22:51,467
Speaker 7: be up at two three in the morning to go

450
00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:53,507
Speaker 7: and watch the play in the UK or Africa or whatever.

451
00:22:54,387 --> 00:22:57,427
Speaker 7: Now I may like it's really sad because I'm Rugby

452
00:22:57,427 --> 00:22:59,987
Speaker 7: through and through, but it doesn't matter anymore if I

453
00:23:00,027 --> 00:23:02,747
Speaker 7: miss it, because it just takes too long, the starting,

454
00:23:02,787 --> 00:23:06,027
Speaker 7: the stopping, all the time. The loss of the human era,

455
00:23:06,627 --> 00:23:09,027
Speaker 7: you know, like games will won and lost on an

456
00:23:09,027 --> 00:23:12,027
Speaker 7: eraby referee, and it's like it takes to humanity out

457
00:23:12,067 --> 00:23:14,467
Speaker 7: of the game. I understand these money and all that

458
00:23:14,467 --> 00:23:17,547
Speaker 7: sort of stuff involved, but aren't people allowed to make mistakes?

459
00:23:17,907 --> 00:23:20,547
Speaker 2: Well, players do, don't they Martin Players make mistakes and

460
00:23:20,587 --> 00:23:23,027
Speaker 2: we don't get the opportunity to overturn those. I know

461
00:23:23,107 --> 00:23:26,427
Speaker 2: it's probably a facetious argument, but yeah, there's a lot

462
00:23:26,467 --> 00:23:30,307
Speaker 2: to be said about about the humanness of sport. I mean, yeah,

463
00:23:31,187 --> 00:23:33,107
Speaker 2: it gets us talking, doesn't it. And now we're talking

464
00:23:33,107 --> 00:23:36,947
Speaker 2: about the fact that we're you know, we're relitigating things

465
00:23:36,987 --> 00:23:38,347
Speaker 2: in forensic detail.

466
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Speaker 7: May I go back and I watch Club Rugby. Now

467
00:23:41,547 --> 00:23:43,667
Speaker 7: it's like I'd rather go to a game of Club Rugby,

468
00:23:43,907 --> 00:23:47,187
Speaker 7: an eighty minute game. You get your five minutes for halftime.

469
00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:50,827
Speaker 7: Most of the games take eighty five ninety minutes. A

470
00:23:50,947 --> 00:23:53,587
Speaker 7: test mess these days has taken nearly two hours.

471
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like I said this morning, Yeah, I checked

472
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Speaker 2: on that will Jordan one and yeah, from the moment

473
00:24:00,307 --> 00:24:02,787
Speaker 2: he put the ball down until the moment they restarted. Yeah,

474
00:24:02,787 --> 00:24:05,027
Speaker 2: three three minutes doesn't sound like a lot, but it

475
00:24:05,107 --> 00:24:08,307
Speaker 2: is actually a lot. Three minutes of inactivity. I mean

476
00:24:08,347 --> 00:24:10,107
Speaker 2: that NURL fans would laugh at you.

477
00:24:11,147 --> 00:24:14,467
Speaker 7: Wait anyhow, the balls and play, it'd have to say,

478
00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:16,627
Speaker 7: for a seventy five minutes of an eighty five minute game,

479
00:24:17,587 --> 00:24:19,627
Speaker 7: and the only time that they ever go to upstairs

480
00:24:19,787 --> 00:24:22,467
Speaker 7: is usually for a try. Is it a try or not?

481
00:24:23,667 --> 00:24:23,907
Speaker 6: You know?

482
00:24:24,147 --> 00:24:28,387
Speaker 7: And that is it just that? And it's like, you know,

483
00:24:29,347 --> 00:24:31,467
Speaker 7: it's a more endurable spectacle because the game, you know,

484
00:24:32,147 --> 00:24:34,747
Speaker 7: is going to take eighty minutes.

485
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Speaker 2: I hope you can stick with it, Martin. I would

486
00:24:38,147 --> 00:24:41,267
Speaker 2: hate to lose you, a lifelong Rugby fan, to the game.

487
00:24:41,307 --> 00:24:43,227
Speaker 2: I know you've got your club stuff. I would hate

488
00:24:43,227 --> 00:24:44,747
Speaker 2: to lose you to the game. Mates. Stick with us.

489
00:24:44,827 --> 00:24:47,307
Speaker 2: Let's hope that we can. We can affect some change

490
00:24:47,307 --> 00:24:49,107
Speaker 2: in this way. I honestly feel like it has to

491
00:24:49,147 --> 00:24:53,867
Speaker 2: be the direction of the communication has to be the

492
00:24:53,867 --> 00:24:57,707
Speaker 2: other way. In some cases, you can't just have the

493
00:24:57,707 --> 00:24:59,947
Speaker 2: TMO saying hey mate, look at this, Hey mate, look

494
00:24:59,947 --> 00:25:02,467
Speaker 2: at this. Although I know, of course I know that

495
00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:04,707
Speaker 2: that is what they're set up for. They have the replace,

496
00:25:04,787 --> 00:25:06,747
Speaker 2: they can look at it. They can say, hey, shivsh

497
00:25:06,827 --> 00:25:13,387
Speaker 2: might have got that one wrong. I don't know. It's

498
00:25:13,387 --> 00:25:16,107
Speaker 2: the same as var and football. You know when it's

499
00:25:16,267 --> 00:25:18,587
Speaker 2: obvious when the ball is over the line or not

500
00:25:18,787 --> 00:25:22,307
Speaker 2: over the line, the same as in tennis. Tennis have

501
00:25:22,387 --> 00:25:24,547
Speaker 2: got it perfect right, and I know there's no push

502
00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:27,987
Speaker 2: and shoven tennis, but they use hawkeye or whatever they

503
00:25:27,987 --> 00:25:31,307
Speaker 2: call it now to determine whether a ball is in

504
00:25:31,587 --> 00:25:34,907
Speaker 2: or out, and rugby you can determine most of the

505
00:25:34,947 --> 00:25:37,627
Speaker 2: time whether a ball has been forced, whether someone's got

506
00:25:37,667 --> 00:25:40,547
Speaker 2: their foot in touch before they've grounded the ball for

507
00:25:40,627 --> 00:25:44,387
Speaker 2: a try. Knock Ons are pretty easy to navigate in

508
00:25:45,307 --> 00:25:49,747
Speaker 2: a var or TMO sense. But that obstruction. You can't

509
00:25:49,747 --> 00:25:51,707
Speaker 2: tell me that there is anything other than a fifty

510
00:25:51,747 --> 00:25:56,347
Speaker 2: to fifty element to Pasiliotossi's run last night. Like I say,

511
00:25:56,387 --> 00:25:59,107
Speaker 2: a good indication is that there was absolutely not a

512
00:25:59,147 --> 00:26:02,347
Speaker 2: word of protest from the French normally when someone rubs destruction,

513
00:26:02,627 --> 00:26:04,907
Speaker 2: you know they're all putting their arms up AA's in

514
00:26:04,987 --> 00:26:08,347
Speaker 2: our ways, obstructing not a single bit of it. And

515
00:26:08,427 --> 00:26:12,787
Speaker 2: Nick Berry's got a great view of it anyway. Laboring

516
00:26:12,787 --> 00:26:13,827
Speaker 2: the point, Martin good to chat.

517
00:26:13,827 --> 00:26:16,987
Speaker 13: Hello Phil, Hey, Piney, feel good?

518
00:26:17,547 --> 00:26:17,947
Speaker 2: I think so?

519
00:26:18,067 --> 00:26:18,267
Speaker 14: Mate?

520
00:26:18,307 --> 00:26:19,747
Speaker 2: Yes, well I'm in Dunedin and I love it here.

521
00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:23,947
Speaker 13: Yes, just not back in the pub unfortunately.

522
00:26:24,547 --> 00:26:27,187
Speaker 2: No, only so many of those weekend do although it

523
00:26:27,307 --> 00:26:28,227
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun.

524
00:26:29,707 --> 00:26:30,907
Speaker 13: I was going to say, it's give him to be

525
00:26:30,907 --> 00:26:33,027
Speaker 13: a habit down in christ It's then on to Dunedin.

526
00:26:33,707 --> 00:26:33,907
Speaker 15: Yeah.

527
00:26:33,907 --> 00:26:36,387
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well I'm meeting back up home next week,

528
00:26:36,427 --> 00:26:38,107
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure where we'll end up.

529
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Speaker 11: Mate.

530
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Speaker 2: What did you make of last night?

531
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm highly disappointed, Piney. I'm I'm first off, because

532
00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:52,187
Speaker 13: I actually thought I'm going to do something pretty I'm

533
00:26:52,227 --> 00:26:54,107
Speaker 13: going to take a bit of a punt here and

534
00:26:54,227 --> 00:26:55,947
Speaker 13: believe it or not, I actually went and put a

535
00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:58,427
Speaker 13: bet on for the French to win ten and under

536
00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:01,827
Speaker 13: and right up until five minutes to go, two minutes

537
00:27:01,867 --> 00:27:04,627
Speaker 13: to go, and that big fellow dropped the ball. We're

538
00:27:04,627 --> 00:27:06,747
Speaker 13: going to get knocked out of that techui, I though, well, jeez,

539
00:27:06,747 --> 00:27:08,907
Speaker 13: I'm looking pretty good here. But I wanted the All

540
00:27:08,907 --> 00:27:12,347
Speaker 13: Blacks to win. Don't get me wrong, but I just thought, yeah, sometimes,

541
00:27:12,387 --> 00:27:16,587
Speaker 13: you know, because everybody was saying, how the B side

542
00:27:16,587 --> 00:27:18,787
Speaker 13: are going to get thirty points put on them, they're

543
00:27:18,787 --> 00:27:23,467
Speaker 13: going to get whipped, and you know, their and their

544
00:27:23,587 --> 00:27:26,987
Speaker 13: easy beats and this sort of thing. And I don't

545
00:27:26,987 --> 00:27:30,267
Speaker 13: know if you remembered I rung your yesterday and said, well,

546
00:27:30,347 --> 00:27:32,867
Speaker 13: I wouldn't be so sub I'm not so sure. You know,

547
00:27:32,987 --> 00:27:35,747
Speaker 13: the French, they won't be bringing hat players over and

548
00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:41,467
Speaker 13: they'll be better than people people estimate, I think, And

549
00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:44,067
Speaker 13: that basically turned out the way. I know that the

550
00:27:45,467 --> 00:27:48,867
Speaker 13: All Blacks, you know, was a bit scratchy at times,

551
00:27:48,907 --> 00:27:51,187
Speaker 13: and that with the first run of the season and

552
00:27:51,227 --> 00:27:52,987
Speaker 13: that sort of thing, and they'll get better and that.

553
00:27:53,187 --> 00:27:56,347
Speaker 13: But yeah, I just think people are underestimated the French

554
00:27:56,387 --> 00:27:58,907
Speaker 13: because they thought they were this useless B side and

555
00:27:58,987 --> 00:28:00,787
Speaker 13: most of the best players were at home, so they

556
00:28:00,787 --> 00:28:02,387
Speaker 13: weren't going to put up much of a fight. But

557
00:28:02,787 --> 00:28:04,747
Speaker 13: I've been watching rugby all my life and I know

558
00:28:04,787 --> 00:28:08,267
Speaker 13: when it comes to French, no matter who they send over,

559
00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:11,187
Speaker 13: they you know, they'll give you a game. But my

560
00:28:11,427 --> 00:28:16,387
Speaker 13: outstanding players, so many of them. Like cam Roygard last

561
00:28:16,427 --> 00:28:18,307
Speaker 13: night I thought was brilliant. D mat caused him a

562
00:28:18,347 --> 00:28:21,787
Speaker 13: lot of trouble. He was fantastic. Will Jordan was great.

563
00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:26,747
Speaker 13: He was fantastic as well. The big guy Fabian solid debut,

564
00:28:26,867 --> 00:28:30,307
Speaker 13: great debut and he's only going to get better. Willy

565
00:28:30,387 --> 00:28:34,307
Speaker 13: Oh was brilliant at number eight. Ardie Severe again just

566
00:28:34,507 --> 00:28:35,747
Speaker 13: brilliant at number seven.

567
00:28:37,227 --> 00:28:39,667
Speaker 2: Funny thought it. You know, all these names you're reeling

568
00:28:39,707 --> 00:28:42,387
Speaker 2: off having great games, and you know, I think you're right.

569
00:28:42,427 --> 00:28:44,747
Speaker 2: They all played well, and yet here we are talking

570
00:28:44,787 --> 00:28:47,307
Speaker 2: about a French side, and as you've outlined it was,

571
00:28:47,427 --> 00:28:50,587
Speaker 2: it was one that was widely written off, you know,

572
00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:52,547
Speaker 2: a French side. They got within four points of us

573
00:28:52,747 --> 00:28:55,747
Speaker 2: and could have won the game. They were down our

574
00:28:55,907 --> 00:28:58,307
Speaker 2: ends with two or three minutes to go, and but

575
00:28:58,427 --> 00:29:00,907
Speaker 2: for that tackle from Quintupira and then the scrum penalty

576
00:29:00,947 --> 00:29:03,227
Speaker 2: that followed. You know, they were knocking on the door, man,

577
00:29:03,307 --> 00:29:04,507
Speaker 2: they were knocking on the door.

578
00:29:05,347 --> 00:29:05,547
Speaker 11: You know.

579
00:29:05,627 --> 00:29:08,627
Speaker 2: The decision to to take the penalty that took it

580
00:29:08,627 --> 00:29:11,227
Speaker 2: out to thirty one twenty seven I think was a

581
00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,387
Speaker 2: good one in hindsight because what it meant I guess

582
00:29:13,467 --> 00:29:18,027
Speaker 2: was when France were attacking at that time. You know,

583
00:29:18,067 --> 00:29:22,467
Speaker 2: we were able to be a little bit more cavalier

584
00:29:22,547 --> 00:29:24,267
Speaker 2: because we knew if we gave away a penalty three

585
00:29:24,267 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been enough. But as it was, we were

586
00:29:27,307 --> 00:29:31,627
Speaker 2: quite disciplined anyway. But yeah, I mean, yeah, it's called

587
00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,387
Speaker 2: emotional insurance. I think betting on the other team. Film

588
00:29:35,347 --> 00:29:37,307
Speaker 2: good to chatty as always mate. Oh eight hundred and

589
00:29:37,347 --> 00:29:42,747
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty tmo's at distraction says this one. We

590
00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:45,027
Speaker 2: were poor in the air, our back line barely functioned.

591
00:29:45,027 --> 00:29:47,027
Speaker 2: We struggled at the breakdown and very rarely made it

592
00:29:47,067 --> 00:29:49,387
Speaker 2: over the game line. Most concerning, we conceded twenty seven

593
00:29:49,427 --> 00:29:52,267
Speaker 2: points against a supposed French beat team. Look, I don't

594
00:29:52,267 --> 00:29:54,267
Speaker 2: think anybody's shoying away from any of that. I think,

595
00:29:54,347 --> 00:29:56,547
Speaker 2: you know, listening to Jason Holland and I've heard some

596
00:29:57,027 --> 00:30:00,347
Speaker 2: audio today from Jason Ryan and other assistant coach there,

597
00:30:00,467 --> 00:30:03,547
Speaker 2: they're totally you know, front footing the fact that they

598
00:30:03,587 --> 00:30:06,667
Speaker 2: were nothing close to what they want want to be.

599
00:30:06,907 --> 00:30:08,787
Speaker 2: It is only the first test of the year, but

600
00:30:09,267 --> 00:30:12,827
Speaker 2: work ons there are plenty, There are plenty of things

601
00:30:12,867 --> 00:30:18,747
Speaker 2: to work on under the high ball their their kick

602
00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:21,547
Speaker 2: chase turnovers. Like I say, the stats will tell you

603
00:30:21,627 --> 00:30:25,467
Speaker 2: sixteen turnovers for the All Blacks, only six by France.

604
00:30:27,147 --> 00:30:29,427
Speaker 2: OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two.

605
00:30:29,507 --> 00:30:31,467
Speaker 2: On text, we'll take a quick break, come back with

606
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Speaker 2: more of your calls. There is one spear line there.

607
00:30:33,307 --> 00:30:36,307
Speaker 2: We're going to talk rugby until about one thirty ish,

608
00:30:36,347 --> 00:30:38,547
Speaker 2: so if you want to get in, we will will

609
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Speaker 2: B seventeen to one. Tony asks Jason, you're still holding

615
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Speaker 2: onto your prediction that the French won't win any game

616
00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:01,147
Speaker 2: here on this tour. I believe they're going to be

617
00:31:01,147 --> 00:31:02,747
Speaker 2: more of a challenge than what we would like to

618
00:31:02,787 --> 00:31:05,547
Speaker 2: credit them for. Most of the French debutants have been

619
00:31:05,587 --> 00:31:08,147
Speaker 2: part of the winning the twenties team over the years,

620
00:31:08,507 --> 00:31:11,107
Speaker 2: so they can definitely play Tony, I am holding onto

621
00:31:11,107 --> 00:31:14,187
Speaker 2: that prediction. I kind of feel as though their best

622
00:31:14,227 --> 00:31:17,347
Speaker 2: chance to win was probably last night so yes, I

623
00:31:17,547 --> 00:31:21,307
Speaker 2: am sticking with that prediction. It's not particularly bold, I know,

624
00:31:21,787 --> 00:31:23,867
Speaker 2: but no, I still expect the All Blacks to sweep

625
00:31:23,867 --> 00:31:26,387
Speaker 2: at three nil. Hello, Mark, good.

626
00:31:26,267 --> 00:31:30,107
Speaker 16: After knowing buddy, I didn't hear who was the player

627
00:31:30,147 --> 00:31:32,587
Speaker 16: of the match, and I know who your who you

628
00:31:32,707 --> 00:31:34,187
Speaker 16: think it was, because I've got mine.

629
00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:37,547
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I didn't hear who it was officially either.

630
00:31:37,667 --> 00:31:40,907
Speaker 2: Somebody will let us know. Why don't you tell me

631
00:31:40,947 --> 00:31:42,587
Speaker 2: yours and then I'll tell you mine.

632
00:31:43,427 --> 00:31:44,667
Speaker 8: Mine's the French fullback.

633
00:31:48,547 --> 00:31:52,947
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, mine, mine's Cody Taylor.

634
00:31:54,987 --> 00:31:58,987
Speaker 5: He would have been my number two, I think, yep, yeah,

635
00:31:58,987 --> 00:31:59,307
Speaker 5: and I.

636
00:31:59,227 --> 00:32:00,747
Speaker 2: Think I mean, I mean, I mean Mark.

637
00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:01,267
Speaker 11: You know.

638
00:32:01,307 --> 00:32:03,667
Speaker 2: The point you make, obviously indirectly, is that France were good.

639
00:32:03,787 --> 00:32:05,427
Speaker 2: They were good, They had some good They've got some

640
00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:06,587
Speaker 2: good players.

641
00:32:07,267 --> 00:32:08,027
Speaker 8: They certainly do.

642
00:32:08,267 --> 00:32:10,787
Speaker 16: And he didn't do a thing wrong last night. The

643
00:32:10,787 --> 00:32:15,067
Speaker 16: French fullback, he'd probably saved a crucial try when he

644
00:32:16,947 --> 00:32:19,307
Speaker 16: after the kick was made and he had the two

645
00:32:19,347 --> 00:32:21,627
Speaker 16: All Blacks coming down on him and went on to

646
00:32:21,707 --> 00:32:24,107
Speaker 16: that ball and they got the ball back.

647
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Speaker 2: Yep. No, look, a lot of what France did was good.

648
00:32:29,907 --> 00:32:31,987
Speaker 2: I don't you know much as we you know, obviously

649
00:32:32,027 --> 00:32:34,547
Speaker 2: on this show and in this country, we talked mainly

650
00:32:34,547 --> 00:32:37,267
Speaker 2: about our team. I think we're big enough to give

651
00:32:37,307 --> 00:32:39,107
Speaker 2: credit to them. Of course we are. And I didn't

652
00:32:39,107 --> 00:32:42,267
Speaker 2: see anybody last night from the All Blacks environment, None

653
00:32:42,267 --> 00:32:44,107
Speaker 2: of the players and of the coaching staff. Nobody was

654
00:32:44,147 --> 00:32:47,707
Speaker 2: saying anything other than that France came as advertised and

655
00:32:47,787 --> 00:32:51,067
Speaker 2: gave them a heck of a game. You know that

656
00:32:51,107 --> 00:32:53,627
Speaker 2: all the talk of disrespect during the week, none of

657
00:32:53,667 --> 00:32:58,067
Speaker 2: that came from inside the All Blacks camp. And Jason

658
00:32:58,147 --> 00:33:00,907
Speaker 2: Ryan was at the airport earlier doing some media and

659
00:33:00,947 --> 00:33:03,267
Speaker 2: he said that actually it wasn't very helpful to them

660
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,987
Speaker 2: that this French team was widely written on. That's the

661
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:10,427
Speaker 2: sort of thing that teams hear about and use as fuel.

662
00:33:11,507 --> 00:33:15,707
Speaker 2: But the fact remains it isn't a full strength France side.

663
00:33:16,067 --> 00:33:19,747
Speaker 2: We would love to see France send their absolute top side,

664
00:33:20,387 --> 00:33:25,867
Speaker 2: absolute top side, but that isn't what this is. And

665
00:33:26,867 --> 00:33:29,627
Speaker 2: you know, I guess we all make our own assumptions

666
00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:32,067
Speaker 2: about what they're going to be like last night, they

667
00:33:32,067 --> 00:33:34,187
Speaker 2: were good. Will they be the same next week now

668
00:33:34,187 --> 00:33:36,027
Speaker 2: that the All Blacks have had a look at them

669
00:33:36,227 --> 00:33:39,187
Speaker 2: and another week together to work on what they want

670
00:33:39,187 --> 00:33:43,467
Speaker 2: to be about. Look ill, there's not going to be

671
00:33:43,547 --> 00:33:46,307
Speaker 2: much this week that changes my mind. The All Blacks

672
00:33:46,307 --> 00:33:48,707
Speaker 2: will win this series three nil. It's just how convincing

673
00:33:48,747 --> 00:33:54,867
Speaker 2: are the margins and how convincing are the performances. Ian Hello, Hello, honey,

674
00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:55,467
Speaker 2: good afternoon.

675
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Speaker 15: How are you Ian?

676
00:33:56,787 --> 00:33:58,267
Speaker 2: I'm great? Thanks you sounding chipp u?

677
00:33:59,267 --> 00:34:03,107
Speaker 6: Yeah, no good. Enjoyed the game thoroughly last night, but

678
00:34:03,267 --> 00:34:07,067
Speaker 6: they were one of two concerns that we've seen over

679
00:34:07,067 --> 00:34:10,507
Speaker 6: the last two or three seasons and meton bolts and

680
00:34:10,627 --> 00:34:15,627
Speaker 6: box kicking, and right from the beginning of play, and

681
00:34:15,667 --> 00:34:19,427
Speaker 6: then at half time after halftime when Cortes came on,

682
00:34:19,987 --> 00:34:23,587
Speaker 6: his first action once again was box kicking. We are

683
00:34:23,627 --> 00:34:27,307
Speaker 6: not getting a reward that we should be getting from it.

684
00:34:27,307 --> 00:34:30,307
Speaker 6: It's a fifty to fifty and when we're doing it

685
00:34:30,347 --> 00:34:33,867
Speaker 6: between our twenty two and they're twenty two, we are

686
00:34:33,867 --> 00:34:37,547
Speaker 6: only putting pressure on ourselves if we're not getting our

687
00:34:37,667 --> 00:34:38,267
Speaker 6: share of it.

688
00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:38,667
Speaker 13: More.

689
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Speaker 2: It's all about the contest, I think, Ian, isn't it?

690
00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:44,907
Speaker 2: And like I said, I was watching the box kicks

691
00:34:45,587 --> 00:34:48,027
Speaker 2: with great interest last night, much as I'm not a

692
00:34:48,107 --> 00:34:50,067
Speaker 2: huge fan of them. But while they're a part of

693
00:34:50,067 --> 00:34:51,867
Speaker 2: the All Blacks tactical plan. You've got to have a

694
00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:54,627
Speaker 2: look at them. I thought the kicks themselves were better

695
00:34:54,747 --> 00:34:57,107
Speaker 2: last night from Roy Guard and from Lata Mom when

696
00:34:57,147 --> 00:35:01,307
Speaker 2: he came on. They were more heights rather than length,

697
00:35:01,347 --> 00:35:03,107
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. So it gives the

698
00:35:03,227 --> 00:35:06,547
Speaker 2: chaser more chance to contest. But I started, I think

699
00:35:06,547 --> 00:35:07,747
Speaker 2: we contested them very well.

700
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:10,667
Speaker 6: We did not We did not know.

701
00:35:11,187 --> 00:35:12,107
Speaker 8: And one other thing.

702
00:35:13,027 --> 00:35:16,067
Speaker 6: One of the days when we used to be using

703
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:21,587
Speaker 6: those beautiful Wapers kicks into their twenty two put pressure

704
00:35:21,667 --> 00:35:23,347
Speaker 6: on their lineouts and.

705
00:35:24,947 --> 00:35:25,587
Speaker 2: We're away.

706
00:35:25,707 --> 00:35:29,667
Speaker 6: We're miles away from having de feed our line said.

707
00:35:29,707 --> 00:35:33,067
Speaker 6: It almost scenes is that the all backs aren't the

708
00:35:33,067 --> 00:35:36,027
Speaker 6: theending more than they're attacking.

709
00:35:38,307 --> 00:35:41,467
Speaker 2: And some good points. The box kick always comes up

710
00:35:41,547 --> 00:35:45,107
Speaker 2: whenever we talk rugby, and I saw a couple of

711
00:35:45,147 --> 00:35:47,467
Speaker 2: weeks ago Wayne Smith saying he banned it from a

712
00:35:47,467 --> 00:35:50,067
Speaker 2: couple of teams he was involved in. He absolutely hates

713
00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:53,707
Speaker 2: the box kick. The intent, as I think we all understand,

714
00:35:53,707 --> 00:35:56,747
Speaker 2: it is usually from a position in your own half,

715
00:35:56,787 --> 00:35:59,107
Speaker 2: and it's very rare to box kick from the other

716
00:35:59,147 --> 00:36:02,827
Speaker 2: team's half. From in your own half. You're giving yourself

717
00:36:02,867 --> 00:36:07,827
Speaker 2: that fifty to fifty chance to to win possession back,

718
00:36:08,307 --> 00:36:09,027
Speaker 2: and that's what it is.

719
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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a free for all when you

721
00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:14,067
Speaker 2: kick it forward. As long as you've got your runners contesting,

722
00:36:14,587 --> 00:36:17,507
Speaker 2: then you give yourself a fifty to fifty chance. Like

723
00:36:17,547 --> 00:36:19,667
Speaker 2: I say, I thought the kicks last night were better.

724
00:36:20,027 --> 00:36:23,547
Speaker 2: Frances were very good and they competed, whereas the All

725
00:36:23,547 --> 00:36:27,387
Speaker 2: Blacks didn't do that quite so well. So the aerial

726
00:36:27,547 --> 00:36:30,787
Speaker 2: part of the game was certainly won by France last night.

727
00:36:31,947 --> 00:36:34,587
Speaker 2: Definitely a work on. As Jason Holland said earlier, good

728
00:36:34,587 --> 00:36:36,627
Speaker 2: to chatty and thanks for your call mate, Richard.

729
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Speaker 10: Hellope, good mate, how are you?

730
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good Richard.

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Speaker 17: Just a couple of quick points. One. I thought the

732
00:36:43,827 --> 00:36:47,267
Speaker 17: experiment was too puvis on the flank. I really liked it,

733
00:36:47,467 --> 00:36:49,827
Speaker 17: as they say in the Navy. I liked the cut

734
00:36:49,827 --> 00:36:52,747
Speaker 17: of his jib there, and he said they had a

735
00:36:52,787 --> 00:36:56,587
Speaker 17: really high work rate around the field. I thought, probably

736
00:36:56,587 --> 00:36:59,067
Speaker 17: a nice point of difference there. The other thing is,

737
00:36:59,107 --> 00:37:02,347
Speaker 17: I think, you know, I don't know what's wrong with

738
00:37:02,187 --> 00:37:04,827
Speaker 17: the All Blacks, but it's the same problem as sort

739
00:37:04,827 --> 00:37:08,547
Speaker 17: of like a rush defense. We have not mastered how

740
00:37:08,587 --> 00:37:11,187
Speaker 17: to get round it, and everybody bloody uses it. Against

741
00:37:11,227 --> 00:37:14,587
Speaker 17: just because they know we're crap in it. So they've

742
00:37:14,627 --> 00:37:17,467
Speaker 17: got to work, whether our box kicking or just putting

743
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:19,507
Speaker 17: it down into their twenty two and taking the line

744
00:37:19,507 --> 00:37:21,987
Speaker 17: out or something. But we need to be able to

745
00:37:22,067 --> 00:37:23,547
Speaker 17: change it up and we just don't seem to do

746
00:37:23,587 --> 00:37:27,427
Speaker 17: it in those games. And I really don't know why,

747
00:37:28,187 --> 00:37:30,907
Speaker 17: but that was just my worktop. I think we'll win

748
00:37:30,987 --> 00:37:35,347
Speaker 17: off everything else, okay, but that was a very useful

749
00:37:35,387 --> 00:37:37,747
Speaker 17: side there. Reminded me of the Baby Blacks when they

750
00:37:37,787 --> 00:37:38,747
Speaker 17: went and paid France.

751
00:37:39,627 --> 00:37:40,027
Speaker 2: Indeed.

752
00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:40,827
Speaker 15: Yeah.

753
00:37:41,307 --> 00:37:43,827
Speaker 2: The point about too, Paul Vite's really interesting, Richard. You

754
00:37:43,867 --> 00:37:47,547
Speaker 2: know that was the big selection surprise, wasn't it. You know,

755
00:37:47,667 --> 00:37:49,627
Speaker 2: moving Reco out to the wing. I guess was as well.

756
00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:51,747
Speaker 2: But yeah, Toopaul vi who's played very really at number

757
00:37:51,787 --> 00:37:53,707
Speaker 2: six for either the Chiefs or the All Blacks. Yeah,

758
00:37:53,747 --> 00:37:55,787
Speaker 2: I thought it was good too. And what it also did,

759
00:37:55,987 --> 00:37:58,027
Speaker 2: I saw the stat the All Blacks one twenty out

760
00:37:58,027 --> 00:38:00,827
Speaker 2: of twenty lineouts last night. Probably helps when he got

761
00:38:00,827 --> 00:38:03,627
Speaker 2: three locks, you know, plus Christian Leo Willie who's a

762
00:38:03,627 --> 00:38:05,947
Speaker 2: good line out jumper as well, so it's the lineout.

763
00:38:05,987 --> 00:38:09,227
Speaker 2: But I thought he brought real physicality to porvait the

764
00:38:09,387 --> 00:38:11,187
Speaker 2: to the game. I think he's definitely a live option

765
00:38:11,307 --> 00:38:12,987
Speaker 2: moving forward in that six jumper.

766
00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:16,067
Speaker 18: Yeah, i'd like to see him stay there. I thought,

767
00:38:16,507 --> 00:38:18,707
Speaker 18: you know, out of all of our efforts, he's the

768
00:38:18,747 --> 00:38:21,267
Speaker 18: one that's really stood up and made, you know, a

769
00:38:21,307 --> 00:38:24,787
Speaker 18: big difference there. And again he said, well with the

770
00:38:24,827 --> 00:38:27,467
Speaker 18: line out steps, why the hell weren't they changing the

771
00:38:27,507 --> 00:38:28,987
Speaker 18: game on the field and saying well, let's put it

772
00:38:29,067 --> 00:38:32,507
Speaker 18: in the corner and try and disrupt theirs. And you know,

773
00:38:32,907 --> 00:38:34,667
Speaker 18: all we could do was win one off off the

774
00:38:34,707 --> 00:38:36,987
Speaker 18: top of the ears, but we didn't seem to bother

775
00:38:37,107 --> 00:38:42,707
Speaker 18: doing it. You know, just just amuses me with ticklers

776
00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:44,227
Speaker 18: in that sort of defense.

777
00:38:45,227 --> 00:38:48,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing nothing wrong with being a bit amused on

778
00:38:48,107 --> 00:38:50,787
Speaker 2: a Sunday, Richard. Good to chat to you, mate, Thanks

779
00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:54,307
Speaker 2: for calling it okay, all the best. Eight hundred and

780
00:38:54,307 --> 00:38:56,587
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is our number nineteen ninety two for text.

781
00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,827
Speaker 2: It's eight and a half away from one.

782
00:38:59,747 --> 00:39:02,387
Speaker 1: The school, from the track field and the court on

783
00:39:02,547 --> 00:39:05,987
Speaker 1: your home of sport weekends for it with Jason Vine.

784
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:11,227
Speaker 2: Talk to me coming up five to one, can I Mike? Yeah?

785
00:39:11,267 --> 00:39:11,827
Speaker 8: Hi, Paroney?

786
00:39:11,867 --> 00:39:13,427
Speaker 2: How are you good things? Mate?

787
00:39:14,427 --> 00:39:14,587
Speaker 15: Yeah?

788
00:39:14,667 --> 00:39:18,267
Speaker 19: Good, good yeah, I'm I haven't followed much rugby in

789
00:39:18,267 --> 00:39:22,827
Speaker 19: my lifetime, but I thoroughly enjoyed that game. Just a

790
00:39:22,867 --> 00:39:25,667
Speaker 19: couple of things I think, Well, I think the TMO

791
00:39:25,867 --> 00:39:29,147
Speaker 19: really does a good job and keeps the game honest. However,

792
00:39:30,227 --> 00:39:33,187
Speaker 19: if I was looking at the right play there the

793
00:39:33,707 --> 00:39:36,427
Speaker 19: was it a for all blacks forward? He already had momentum?

794
00:39:36,507 --> 00:39:37,587
Speaker 15: When was he was?

795
00:39:38,107 --> 00:39:41,147
Speaker 19: He ran into the and pushed the French player. Is

796
00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:42,267
Speaker 19: that what I was looking at?

797
00:39:42,587 --> 00:39:42,787
Speaker 15: Yeah?

798
00:39:42,787 --> 00:39:46,787
Speaker 2: The obstruction for the last one, yeah, pussis. Yeah, he

799
00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:49,947
Speaker 2: comes into the line, he doesn't get the pass, he's running,

800
00:39:50,027 --> 00:39:53,147
Speaker 2: he's a nummy runner basically, and then runs into an

801
00:39:53,147 --> 00:39:56,867
Speaker 2: opposition defender. And the ruling is that by doing that,

802
00:39:56,987 --> 00:40:00,307
Speaker 2: he stopped that defender from bouncing out one and making

803
00:40:00,307 --> 00:40:02,707
Speaker 2: a possible tackle on Boat and Barrett, which there is

804
00:40:02,747 --> 00:40:04,507
Speaker 2: an absolutely no guarantee he would have done.

805
00:40:04,547 --> 00:40:08,787
Speaker 19: In my mind, yeah, that's doubtful because he already had momentum.

806
00:40:09,387 --> 00:40:11,147
Speaker 19: So I mean, if you did it from a standing point,

807
00:40:11,547 --> 00:40:14,747
Speaker 19: sure he's guilty. But when he's already, how's he going

808
00:40:14,787 --> 00:40:17,227
Speaker 19: to stop himself from doing that? So yeah, that would

809
00:40:17,307 --> 00:40:19,427
Speaker 19: I would, I would be critical of that. But the

810
00:40:19,787 --> 00:40:22,387
Speaker 19: only or the other TMO were the proctors. Yeah, I

811
00:40:22,427 --> 00:40:24,147
Speaker 19: saw that straight away on the replay.

812
00:40:24,187 --> 00:40:25,467
Speaker 8: That was definitely a lost.

813
00:40:26,867 --> 00:40:27,427
Speaker 4: Lost ball.

814
00:40:27,507 --> 00:40:31,187
Speaker 19: But yeah no, like I said just before, I think

815
00:40:32,107 --> 00:40:36,787
Speaker 19: the line out skills were absolutely exceptional from the All Blacks.

816
00:40:38,267 --> 00:40:41,267
Speaker 19: If I was going to be talking to Raza about

817
00:40:41,307 --> 00:40:44,107
Speaker 19: what they needed, what they need to improve on after

818
00:40:44,187 --> 00:40:48,707
Speaker 19: last night's game, that it would be basic ball handling, mistakes,

819
00:40:48,707 --> 00:40:51,787
Speaker 19: fumbling and knocking on. There's a lot of drop ball

820
00:40:51,827 --> 00:40:55,227
Speaker 19: and things. But ten minutes before the game they throw

821
00:40:55,267 --> 00:40:58,467
Speaker 19: up the stats for the tackles and I think you

822
00:40:58,587 --> 00:41:01,667
Speaker 19: definitely have to give the the Defense prize to the French.

823
00:41:03,187 --> 00:41:05,347
Speaker 2: Mike. Sorry, mate, Yes I've got to go mate, we're

824
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:07,787
Speaker 2: heard up against the new But yeah, good points, well

825
00:41:07,867 --> 00:41:10,587
Speaker 2: made and absolutely a work on And Razer said that

826
00:41:10,667 --> 00:41:14,427
Speaker 2: last night, just those little errors they'll work on during

827
00:41:14,467 --> 00:41:17,107
Speaker 2: the week. More on the rug B after one.

828
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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

829
00:41:20,587 --> 00:41:22,187
Speaker 1: on and after field.

830
00:41:22,747 --> 00:41:24,507
Speaker 4: It's all on weekends.

831
00:41:24,027 --> 00:41:28,467
Speaker 1: Forward with Jason Paine on your Home of Sport with

832
00:41:28,587 --> 00:41:30,947
Speaker 1: News Talks, News.

833
00:41:30,707 --> 00:41:33,427
Speaker 2: TALKSB and Weekend Sport coming up one O seven. Thanks

834
00:41:33,427 --> 00:41:35,547
Speaker 2: for listening in, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for staying

835
00:41:35,707 --> 00:41:37,947
Speaker 2: with us. I'm Jason Pine coming to your life from

836
00:41:37,987 --> 00:41:41,707
Speaker 2: Dunedin today, where it's dawned beautifully fine one. I've been

837
00:41:41,707 --> 00:41:43,787
Speaker 2: out one o'clock in the afternoon, so I probably shouldn't

838
00:41:43,787 --> 00:41:45,907
Speaker 2: be talking about the dawn anymore, but it is a

839
00:41:45,907 --> 00:41:49,507
Speaker 2: lovely day here in Dunedin. Off the back of an

840
00:41:49,547 --> 00:41:53,947
Speaker 2: intriguing Test match last night, Paul Miller was providing expert

841
00:41:53,947 --> 00:41:56,947
Speaker 2: comments for us. He's standing by for a chat. Couple

842
00:41:56,947 --> 00:41:59,827
Speaker 2: of texts here which caught my eye during the news break, Piney,

843
00:41:59,867 --> 00:42:02,027
Speaker 2: I thought last night was a typical first up test,

844
00:42:02,467 --> 00:42:05,507
Speaker 2: a French team that was seemingly underrated and an All

845
00:42:05,507 --> 00:42:08,507
Speaker 2: Blacks team without time to perfect things, and it's clear

846
00:42:08,987 --> 00:42:10,987
Speaker 2: a few of us picked a very close game. Other

847
00:42:11,067 --> 00:42:13,747
Speaker 2: than that, I see things a little differently to others.

848
00:42:13,787 --> 00:42:16,507
Speaker 2: I thought defensively we were okay, but there seems to

849
00:42:16,547 --> 00:42:19,187
Speaker 2: be a philosophy of throw the ball from everywhere, almost

850
00:42:19,387 --> 00:42:23,587
Speaker 2: helter skelter, without having control up front. We need control first,

851
00:42:23,587 --> 00:42:26,667
Speaker 2: but we went as individuals and with the attempt to

852
00:42:26,707 --> 00:42:30,067
Speaker 2: offload to play free flowing footy under pressure, we weren't

853
00:42:30,107 --> 00:42:33,427
Speaker 2: adept enough. Control delivery creates space and hang on to

854
00:42:33,507 --> 00:42:36,187
Speaker 2: the ball rarely there is so much to address after

855
00:42:36,267 --> 00:42:38,947
Speaker 2: last night, it could take your whole show. Thank you, Phil,

856
00:42:39,507 --> 00:42:42,507
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Indeed, one from Shares thought Christian

857
00:42:42,547 --> 00:42:45,267
Speaker 2: Leo Willie went well on debut. I agree, Shaz thought

858
00:42:45,267 --> 00:42:48,387
Speaker 2: he had a good gain and Roygart unbelievable. Piney, I

859
00:42:48,387 --> 00:42:50,947
Speaker 2: actually don't know why you sub them. Explain to me

860
00:42:50,987 --> 00:42:53,587
Speaker 2: why they do that. I can't, muss, I can't explain

861
00:42:54,067 --> 00:42:57,547
Speaker 2: why they do that. It's just something that continues to

862
00:42:57,627 --> 00:42:59,627
Speaker 2: amuse me. I thought Cortez did well when he came on.

863
00:42:59,707 --> 00:43:01,907
Speaker 2: But yeah, the replacing of a of a half back

864
00:43:01,907 --> 00:43:04,827
Speaker 2: in a hooker seems to be compulsory these days. Thought

865
00:43:04,827 --> 00:43:06,827
Speaker 2: Cam roy Gard and Cody Taylor were two of our

866
00:43:06,827 --> 00:43:09,587
Speaker 2: better players last night. They have the numbers, though, don't they.

867
00:43:09,627 --> 00:43:12,427
Speaker 2: They keep their eyes on the GPS, so maybe there

868
00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:14,107
Speaker 2: was something in that that they saw. Thank you for

869
00:43:14,147 --> 00:43:17,147
Speaker 2: your texts. Nine two ninety two lines open on eight

870
00:43:17,227 --> 00:43:20,067
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty as well, coming up nine

871
00:43:20,107 --> 00:43:20,547
Speaker 2: past one.

872
00:43:20,707 --> 00:43:23,427
Speaker 3: All right, Billy Proctor at the bean popped up, well, Jordan,

873
00:43:23,587 --> 00:43:26,587
Speaker 3: let's get bath for Jorddy Barrett wasn't how gin tup

874
00:43:26,627 --> 00:43:27,267
Speaker 3: goes again?

875
00:43:27,827 --> 00:43:29,587
Speaker 6: Try right wing corner.

876
00:43:29,947 --> 00:43:30,787
Speaker 3: Jordy Barren.

877
00:43:31,707 --> 00:43:35,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Jordy Barrett, who had a try chalked

878
00:43:35,707 --> 00:43:37,667
Speaker 2: off earlier on for the knock on by Fitch and you'r,

879
00:43:37,707 --> 00:43:40,267
Speaker 2: but did get himself won one of four tries that

880
00:43:40,387 --> 00:43:42,907
Speaker 2: the All Black scored last night. Former Allacs number eight

881
00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:46,067
Speaker 2: Paul Miller provided expert comments for us in our call

882
00:43:46,187 --> 00:43:49,347
Speaker 2: last night, and he joins us on Weekend Sport. Paul,

883
00:43:49,387 --> 00:43:52,107
Speaker 2: great to see you last night, and great Davy on

884
00:43:52,107 --> 00:43:54,707
Speaker 2: the show today. In general terms, first of all, before

885
00:43:54,747 --> 00:43:58,787
Speaker 2: we talk some specifics, how how should All Blacks fans

886
00:43:58,787 --> 00:44:00,747
Speaker 2: be feeling today about last night?

887
00:44:01,907 --> 00:44:04,827
Speaker 20: Well, I think hey, Fidi and ye, good afternoon. But

888
00:44:05,147 --> 00:44:09,507
Speaker 20: I think as fans they shouldn't feel too overly disappointed

889
00:44:10,347 --> 00:44:14,627
Speaker 20: this French team, even though it was stipulated that, yes,

890
00:44:14,667 --> 00:44:18,867
Speaker 20: it was predominably their B side. However, the French flair,

891
00:44:19,187 --> 00:44:23,227
Speaker 20: the instinctiveness of the players, the level of their competition,

892
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,227
Speaker 20: they were always going to challenge the All Blacks. And

893
00:44:25,627 --> 00:44:28,987
Speaker 20: you touched on it initially. Yep, yes, All Blacks were

894
00:44:29,027 --> 00:44:32,667
Speaker 20: rusty in that first twenty. But I heard a comment

895
00:44:32,747 --> 00:44:35,067
Speaker 20: from Jason Ryan, like, you know, if it was a

896
00:44:35,107 --> 00:44:37,347
Speaker 20: blowout score, there wouldn't be much to work on, and

897
00:44:37,347 --> 00:44:39,907
Speaker 20: they would have missed those crucial things that they definitely

898
00:44:39,947 --> 00:44:42,627
Speaker 20: needed to work on from last night's game, and that's

899
00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:46,827
Speaker 20: particularly around their ruck time, defensive systems, and the obvious

900
00:44:46,907 --> 00:44:52,867
Speaker 20: one is the kickchase. So yeah, it's a building momentum

901
00:44:52,987 --> 00:44:56,947
Speaker 20: towards the series. And like yourself, Pinety, I believe that

902
00:44:57,187 --> 00:44:59,507
Speaker 20: the All Blacks will be a lot better come the

903
00:44:59,547 --> 00:45:00,787
Speaker 20: second test in Wellington.

904
00:45:01,267 --> 00:45:04,227
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the kick chase. How do you fix

905
00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:08,067
Speaker 2: the issues around that that happened last night?

906
00:45:09,547 --> 00:45:12,507
Speaker 20: I think part of the problem is that the over

907
00:45:12,587 --> 00:45:15,747
Speaker 20: commitment they have in the actual rocky area around that

908
00:45:15,827 --> 00:45:18,347
Speaker 20: twenty two from a lineout or from a broken play,

909
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:22,827
Speaker 20: it defies the ability for the runners to get up

910
00:45:22,827 --> 00:45:26,027
Speaker 20: and actually nominate to go up and.

911
00:45:25,987 --> 00:45:26,827
Speaker 15: Compete for the ball.

912
00:45:28,107 --> 00:45:30,707
Speaker 20: Last night there really only had two nominated sort of

913
00:45:30,707 --> 00:45:33,067
Speaker 20: players that was I think it was Will Jordan most

914
00:45:33,067 --> 00:45:36,267
Speaker 20: of the time. Jordy Barrett obviously got up there, but

915
00:45:36,427 --> 00:45:38,787
Speaker 20: they didn't really have a second wave of runners coming

916
00:45:38,827 --> 00:45:43,427
Speaker 20: back to actually compete. And that France's strength is that instinctiveness.

917
00:45:43,427 --> 00:45:46,587
Speaker 20: They love to play on that scrappy fifty to fifty ball.

918
00:45:46,707 --> 00:45:49,307
Speaker 20: So for my mind, the next test, they need to

919
00:45:49,347 --> 00:45:51,547
Speaker 20: have an allocation of three players who are going to

920
00:45:51,547 --> 00:45:54,507
Speaker 20: be nominated to actually get up. Maybe a couple run

921
00:45:54,627 --> 00:45:58,907
Speaker 20: past the ball and one actually goes up. Other than that, John,

922
00:45:58,987 --> 00:46:01,747
Speaker 20: pretty sure Jordi Barrett can boot that ball about eighty meters,

923
00:46:01,747 --> 00:46:03,467
Speaker 20: so why not get him in the pocket and just

924
00:46:03,507 --> 00:46:05,987
Speaker 20: hoof that ball down in the territory.

925
00:46:05,627 --> 00:46:09,827
Speaker 2: Ye, it's a good point. And yeah, the contestable nature

926
00:46:09,827 --> 00:46:12,027
Speaker 2: of the box kick obviously means that you are and

927
00:46:12,067 --> 00:46:14,307
Speaker 2: you know you're on the risk of not getting the

928
00:46:14,347 --> 00:46:17,067
Speaker 2: ball back, and that happened more often than not. I

929
00:46:17,067 --> 00:46:19,507
Speaker 2: thought France's kickchase was good though, Paul, did.

930
00:46:19,347 --> 00:46:22,147
Speaker 20: You Yes, a lot more structured.

931
00:46:22,667 --> 00:46:22,907
Speaker 4: Yeah.

932
00:46:23,187 --> 00:46:27,067
Speaker 20: I don't know too much around the competition over in France,

933
00:46:27,147 --> 00:46:30,067
Speaker 20: but I guess so they're probably an English stule that

934
00:46:30,187 --> 00:46:32,667
Speaker 20: they do kick a lot over there in Europe, So

935
00:46:32,907 --> 00:46:35,587
Speaker 20: obviously it's a skill in breda in to them, probably

936
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:38,387
Speaker 20: when they're growing up through the ages too, So yeah,

937
00:46:38,387 --> 00:46:40,347
Speaker 20: they probably have a bit more ability and skill leven

938
00:46:40,347 --> 00:46:43,427
Speaker 20: in terms of that kickchase. You know, us Kiwis, we

939
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,347
Speaker 20: love to run with the ball and we love to

940
00:46:45,387 --> 00:46:48,227
Speaker 20: sort of try and open up teams with the ability

941
00:46:48,307 --> 00:46:50,307
Speaker 20: with the with the ball in hand, speed of the

942
00:46:50,307 --> 00:46:52,787
Speaker 20: ball as well. Obviously the ball beats man all the time,

943
00:46:52,867 --> 00:46:56,627
Speaker 20: so kicking for for us is probably still have a

944
00:46:56,707 --> 00:47:00,147
Speaker 20: new idea. However, I think there was an exceptional coach

945
00:47:00,187 --> 00:47:02,667
Speaker 20: called mc barron back you back a few years ago

946
00:47:02,707 --> 00:47:05,267
Speaker 20: which he sort of embedded that a f L tactic

947
00:47:05,387 --> 00:47:07,147
Speaker 20: going up for the high all that sort of thing.

948
00:47:07,187 --> 00:47:09,547
Speaker 20: So maybe they need someone like that to come back

949
00:47:09,587 --> 00:47:12,267
Speaker 20: in possibly, and you.

950
00:47:12,267 --> 00:47:16,227
Speaker 2: Means also some improvements needed at ruck time. What did

951
00:47:16,227 --> 00:47:17,147
Speaker 2: you see there last night?

952
00:47:18,267 --> 00:47:21,067
Speaker 20: A bit of a mess.

953
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:23,307
Speaker 9: It's a fifty to fifty call whether.

954
00:47:23,147 --> 00:47:27,387
Speaker 20: Or not Sabian Holland. I be he had a massive game,

955
00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:30,067
Speaker 20: and I don't want to be too critical or critical. However,

956
00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:33,827
Speaker 20: when he's a physically dominant man and I feel like

957
00:47:33,867 --> 00:47:36,627
Speaker 20: he should really be powering those legs he's a big

958
00:47:36,667 --> 00:47:38,547
Speaker 20: man and just staying on his feet a bit more.

959
00:47:38,747 --> 00:47:42,547
Speaker 20: He I think he sacrifices his body too quickly. But

960
00:47:42,587 --> 00:47:44,147
Speaker 20: that might be a play for the all backs to

961
00:47:44,147 --> 00:47:47,867
Speaker 20: get that ball back quick at rucktime, so they need

962
00:47:47,867 --> 00:47:50,307
Speaker 20: to tidy up the latcher and they actual clean out.

963
00:47:50,307 --> 00:47:52,787
Speaker 20: I thought cam Roy guard, while you know he had

964
00:47:53,107 --> 00:47:55,587
Speaker 20: an immense game, he still had a bit to do,

965
00:47:55,707 --> 00:47:59,107
Speaker 20: and he kept the defense guessing with his ball running

966
00:47:59,147 --> 00:48:01,147
Speaker 20: ability from the back of the ruck taking two or

967
00:48:01,187 --> 00:48:04,387
Speaker 20: three steps which keep that French defense guessing. But rucktime,

968
00:48:04,467 --> 00:48:06,707
Speaker 20: they just probably need to be identifying to be a

969
00:48:06,707 --> 00:48:08,667
Speaker 20: bit more accurate around that cleanout area.

970
00:48:09,307 --> 00:48:12,427
Speaker 2: What did you make of two Paul VA's performance at blindside, Well,

971
00:48:12,467 --> 00:48:15,307
Speaker 2: he moved into lock, didn't he But during his time

972
00:48:15,587 --> 00:48:17,667
Speaker 2: as a blindside flanker last night, what did you make

973
00:48:17,707 --> 00:48:18,427
Speaker 2: of his performance?

974
00:48:19,267 --> 00:48:23,707
Speaker 20: Hard working, physical and exceptional in the lineout. I mean

975
00:48:24,107 --> 00:48:27,187
Speaker 20: it's already been touched on having the three locks supposedly

976
00:48:27,187 --> 00:48:29,187
Speaker 20: in that line out. Hence while they won twenty lineout

977
00:48:29,267 --> 00:48:32,187
Speaker 20: so and didn't lose one. So yeah, he was very

978
00:48:32,227 --> 00:48:35,227
Speaker 20: hard walking, he gave that physical edge, big tall, physical

979
00:48:35,267 --> 00:48:39,387
Speaker 20: player and from my mind he's probably he probably needs

980
00:48:39,427 --> 00:48:42,507
Speaker 20: a bit more time in that saddle to sort of

981
00:48:42,507 --> 00:48:46,067
Speaker 20: gain that more experience and at exposure at blindside flanker

982
00:48:46,107 --> 00:48:49,107
Speaker 20: and obviously the all black sea him as a bit

983
00:48:49,147 --> 00:48:51,467
Speaker 20: of a utility, but probably looking at him more of

984
00:48:51,507 --> 00:48:54,787
Speaker 20: the blindside. But it's great having a semipenny female on

985
00:48:55,147 --> 00:48:56,347
Speaker 20: the bench as well to come in and.

986
00:48:56,707 --> 00:48:57,467
Speaker 21: Fill that void.

987
00:48:57,587 --> 00:49:00,707
Speaker 20: So obviously that might happen with Scott Barrett under a

988
00:49:00,747 --> 00:49:02,267
Speaker 20: bit of an injury cloud for next week.

989
00:49:02,787 --> 00:49:05,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, killies by the sounds of it, So we'll keep

990
00:49:05,627 --> 00:49:07,707
Speaker 2: an eye on that. And speaking of injuries, what a

991
00:49:07,787 --> 00:49:11,187
Speaker 2: shame for severus, What fifty seven seconds into a Test

992
00:49:11,267 --> 00:49:13,747
Speaker 2: match and you get your head in the wrong place

993
00:49:13,787 --> 00:49:15,347
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden your knight's over.

994
00:49:16,187 --> 00:49:19,747
Speaker 20: Yeah. Quite quite a contrast player to ricca Oani, Whereas

995
00:49:19,867 --> 00:49:23,507
Speaker 20: Rico obviously loves that space and open territory in front

996
00:49:23,547 --> 00:49:26,227
Speaker 20: of him, where Sevu actually goes hunting for work. And

997
00:49:26,267 --> 00:49:29,347
Speaker 20: they probably missed that work rate of Sevu reesa around

998
00:49:29,347 --> 00:49:31,707
Speaker 20: that rocky area just to take that pressure off some

999
00:49:31,787 --> 00:49:33,547
Speaker 20: of the forwards. We're doing a lot of running a

1000
00:49:33,587 --> 00:49:37,187
Speaker 20: lot of direct hits into that French that that staff

1001
00:49:37,627 --> 00:49:40,587
Speaker 20: French defense there. So they missed that work rate off

1002
00:49:40,587 --> 00:49:43,387
Speaker 20: Sevu reese his ability to sort of beat that first

1003
00:49:43,427 --> 00:49:47,067
Speaker 20: then Allah like Will Jordan's particularly, but yeah, they definitely

1004
00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:48,747
Speaker 20: missed that work rate of Sevu.

1005
00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:51,267
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that the All Blacks

1006
00:49:51,307 --> 00:49:54,667
Speaker 2: can and probably will improve. What about France, Paul, do

1007
00:49:54,707 --> 00:49:56,307
Speaker 2: you think they've got another gear?

1008
00:49:58,027 --> 00:50:02,547
Speaker 20: Look France like they love unstructured play and that was

1009
00:50:02,587 --> 00:50:05,387
Speaker 20: them to a t last night. And you know, you

1010
00:50:05,467 --> 00:50:07,787
Speaker 20: give a team a bit of an edge and they'll

1011
00:50:07,827 --> 00:50:10,587
Speaker 20: take it. And yeh, from my mind, it was the

1012
00:50:10,627 --> 00:50:13,747
Speaker 20: impact of the four I can't remember the four big

1013
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:16,587
Speaker 20: French forwards that came on. I think it was probably

1014
00:50:16,627 --> 00:50:18,787
Speaker 20: ten minutes into that second half they actually had they

1015
00:50:18,827 --> 00:50:22,827
Speaker 20: scored not long after that. Big guys and big just

1016
00:50:22,867 --> 00:50:25,827
Speaker 20: big physical stature and you know, similar to what the

1017
00:50:25,907 --> 00:50:30,067
Speaker 20: South African do with the bomb squad, it takes you know,

1018
00:50:30,467 --> 00:50:33,107
Speaker 20: a bit more energy sapping for the defensive side like

1019
00:50:33,587 --> 00:50:36,347
Speaker 20: the All Blacks here to take them down. So like

1020
00:50:37,227 --> 00:50:40,347
Speaker 20: that's a really crucial tactic for them to keep that.

1021
00:50:40,467 --> 00:50:43,867
Speaker 20: So it's you know, I think they probably looked at

1022
00:50:43,907 --> 00:50:46,907
Speaker 20: things where the All backs a week just holding onto

1023
00:50:46,947 --> 00:50:49,227
Speaker 20: the ball a bit more than just trying to expose

1024
00:50:50,307 --> 00:50:52,187
Speaker 20: a bit more over commitment from the All Blacks, which

1025
00:50:52,227 --> 00:50:54,427
Speaker 20: were they're doing too much into that rux. Hence why

1026
00:50:54,507 --> 00:50:57,387
Speaker 20: they sort of open up a bit around that sort

1027
00:50:57,387 --> 00:51:01,227
Speaker 20: of midfield area. So yeah, France will be they'll be

1028
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:03,787
Speaker 20: smarting for those weaknesses of the All Blacks sort of

1029
00:51:03,947 --> 00:51:04,947
Speaker 20: displayed last night.

1030
00:51:05,307 --> 00:51:08,347
Speaker 2: Indeed, I think intriguing series. I still expect that the

1031
00:51:08,387 --> 00:51:11,267
Speaker 2: all Blacks will, as I say, improve and do better

1032
00:51:11,307 --> 00:51:14,507
Speaker 2: next week in Wellington and then in Hamilton as well.

1033
00:51:15,107 --> 00:51:18,667
Speaker 2: What do you think they'll do selection wise? Scott Robertson

1034
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:20,627
Speaker 2: has said he wants everybody to get a game. We

1035
00:51:20,787 --> 00:51:22,667
Speaker 2: know Seva Roof can't play next week. As you say,

1036
00:51:22,667 --> 00:51:25,267
Speaker 2: there's an injury concern over Scott Barrett, so they might

1037
00:51:25,307 --> 00:51:27,547
Speaker 2: have their hand forced in some ways the likes of

1038
00:51:27,587 --> 00:51:30,587
Speaker 2: Tamothi tavatov naw I When, when and how might he

1039
00:51:30,707 --> 00:51:32,547
Speaker 2: get his debut in the next two weekends.

1040
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:35,467
Speaker 20: Well, I definitely I think they missed a bit of

1041
00:51:35,547 --> 00:51:36,547
Speaker 20: edge on that midfield.

1042
00:51:36,587 --> 00:51:39,587
Speaker 8: No disrespect to Rearly properer there, but they.

1043
00:51:39,547 --> 00:51:42,547
Speaker 20: Definitely miss someone that was sort of hard running. Jordan

1044
00:51:42,627 --> 00:51:45,587
Speaker 20: Barrett didn't really do too well. He played really well,

1045
00:51:45,627 --> 00:51:48,427
Speaker 20: but they missed someone just just running hard off the

1046
00:51:48,467 --> 00:51:51,307
Speaker 20: set piece, the line or the scrum which Tathertova. Now

1047
00:51:51,347 --> 00:51:54,747
Speaker 20: I can get that initial impetus over that game line

1048
00:51:54,747 --> 00:51:57,227
Speaker 20: and from my mind, I think we might see him

1049
00:51:57,987 --> 00:52:00,707
Speaker 20: either in the reserves or it's not starting next week's

1050
00:52:00,747 --> 00:52:03,507
Speaker 20: tethertother now, I just just to create that impact there.

1051
00:52:04,267 --> 00:52:05,867
Speaker 15: Quinti Pie as well.

1052
00:52:05,627 --> 00:52:08,787
Speaker 20: You know, great turnover great tackle. I think that was

1053
00:52:08,787 --> 00:52:11,747
Speaker 20: probably a game winning tackle that he did on that

1054
00:52:11,867 --> 00:52:14,307
Speaker 20: big French, locking that ball out of his arms there

1055
00:52:14,387 --> 00:52:18,627
Speaker 20: so quite fortuously. So yeah, he will also play himself,

1056
00:52:18,787 --> 00:52:22,107
Speaker 20: either obviously of the reserves or starting as well. But

1057
00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:26,027
Speaker 20: I think tryed and true. I think because of the

1058
00:52:26,987 --> 00:52:28,667
Speaker 20: way the forwards went, I don't think we'll see too

1059
00:52:28,707 --> 00:52:31,547
Speaker 20: many changes in that area, but probably you know, are

1060
00:52:31,587 --> 00:52:35,027
Speaker 20: we one or two changes maybe in that back line?

1061
00:52:35,427 --> 00:52:36,947
Speaker 2: All right? And just before you go, you and I

1062
00:52:37,027 --> 00:52:39,267
Speaker 2: spoke about this, I think on air end off here yesterday,

1063
00:52:39,267 --> 00:52:42,747
Speaker 2: and that's the continuation of Test matches in Dunedin. For me,

1064
00:52:43,147 --> 00:52:45,547
Speaker 2: it's a no brainer. You play a Test here every

1065
00:52:45,627 --> 00:52:47,947
Speaker 2: year in July under a roof, as you do in

1066
00:52:48,027 --> 00:52:51,507
Speaker 2: christ What feeling do you get though about the future

1067
00:52:51,547 --> 00:52:54,227
Speaker 2: of Test rugby in Dunedin? Are we going to have

1068
00:52:54,667 --> 00:52:56,907
Speaker 2: one every year? Is that you feel about it or not?

1069
00:52:57,747 --> 00:53:01,507
Speaker 20: Well, it's on rocky ground and you know, I actually

1070
00:53:01,507 --> 00:53:04,827
Speaker 20: got to walk back where a part mcard lot probably

1071
00:53:04,827 --> 00:53:07,667
Speaker 20: about half an hour and Steve vibe of the of

1072
00:53:07,707 --> 00:53:10,587
Speaker 20: the crowd, French mixing in with the locals of the

1073
00:53:10,907 --> 00:53:13,267
Speaker 20: of the Dunedin Knights and obviously all around from New Zealand.

1074
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Speaker 20: It's just a fantastic atmosphere and you know it just

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00:53:16,707 --> 00:53:18,587
Speaker 20: sort of brings everyone up a bit of joy in

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00:53:18,627 --> 00:53:22,347
Speaker 20: that so yeah, so I hope the Union or whoever

1077
00:53:22,387 --> 00:53:24,747
Speaker 20: makes those decisions definitely keeps the needing in mind for

1078
00:53:25,067 --> 00:53:27,707
Speaker 20: at least one test match a year. And you know

1079
00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:29,427
Speaker 20: what better time to have it in the year in

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00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:32,747
Speaker 20: July cut the coldest part of coldest time in New Zealand,

1081
00:53:32,827 --> 00:53:34,707
Speaker 20: so you know what better way to have it under

1082
00:53:34,707 --> 00:53:36,827
Speaker 20: a roof? And I do hope you know obviously with

1083
00:53:36,947 --> 00:53:39,787
Speaker 20: christ which you'll start to get their come April next year.

1084
00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:42,147
Speaker 19: So but look, it would be.

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00:53:42,267 --> 00:53:46,667
Speaker 20: Very detrimental for the local community of Dunedin Otago Southern

1086
00:53:46,707 --> 00:53:49,227
Speaker 20: Region if these tests stopped going ahead.

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00:53:49,627 --> 00:53:51,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, no brainer for me, mate, No brainer for me.

1088
00:53:51,667 --> 00:53:54,067
Speaker 2: Awesome to work alongside you again last night, Paul. Great

1089
00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:56,147
Speaker 2: to see you. Thanks for your time this afternoon as well,

1090
00:53:56,187 --> 00:53:59,707
Speaker 2: and we'll see you next year for a test mention I'm.

1091
00:53:59,547 --> 00:54:02,187
Speaker 20: Sure I hope so their Thanks Piney, Thanks very much,

1092
00:54:02,507 --> 00:54:03,067
Speaker 20: Take care mate.

1093
00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:06,027
Speaker 2: Paul Miller, former All Black, real analyst of the game

1094
00:54:06,147 --> 00:54:09,867
Speaker 2: and our expert comments man alongside Elliott Smith last night

1095
00:54:09,907 --> 00:54:12,187
Speaker 2: and our commentary on News Talks head be of the

1096
00:54:12,227 --> 00:54:14,507
Speaker 2: first Test of twenty twenty five. Just reminding you we

1097
00:54:14,587 --> 00:54:16,987
Speaker 2: have full life commentary of every single one of the

1098
00:54:17,027 --> 00:54:19,427
Speaker 2: All Blacks Test matches this year. Elliott Smith's going to

1099
00:54:19,987 --> 00:54:22,547
Speaker 2: going to travel everywhere. We'll bring an analyst the likes

1100
00:54:22,587 --> 00:54:26,027
Speaker 2: of Paul Miller and others. And yeah, so if you

1101
00:54:26,107 --> 00:54:28,507
Speaker 2: are after All Blacks coverage, you've got it right here

1102
00:54:28,547 --> 00:54:30,507
Speaker 2: on News Talks head b. Let's open the lines again.

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00:54:30,547 --> 00:54:34,107
Speaker 2: It's twenty past one on the dot. Oh, eight hundred

1104
00:54:34,107 --> 00:54:35,867
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is our number.

1105
00:54:35,907 --> 00:54:38,587
Speaker 9: Hello, Dallas, Hi, Barny.

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00:54:39,827 --> 00:54:42,067
Speaker 22: Just to go back to your opening remarks, your opening

1107
00:54:42,107 --> 00:54:45,827
Speaker 22: remarks about you know all these delays. The problem is

1108
00:54:46,747 --> 00:54:50,027
Speaker 22: when your team scores a try nowadays, you can't celebrate

1109
00:54:51,747 --> 00:54:55,547
Speaker 22: because there's almost with all this doubt that it's a

1110
00:54:55,627 --> 00:54:58,787
Speaker 22: try until it's cleared from upstairs sort of thing.

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00:54:59,307 --> 00:55:02,667
Speaker 2: It's like VAR and football, Dallas, It's like VR and football.

1112
00:55:02,667 --> 00:55:05,187
Speaker 2: They say exactly the same thing. You know what football

1113
00:55:05,227 --> 00:55:07,187
Speaker 2: is like when a goal is scored. There's an explosion

1114
00:55:07,227 --> 00:55:10,267
Speaker 2: of joy, but now it's tinged with doubt. Is VA

1115
00:55:10,387 --> 00:55:11,427
Speaker 2: are going to chalk it off?

1116
00:55:13,147 --> 00:55:16,827
Speaker 22: Yeah, so we have to address these things like, and

1117
00:55:17,067 --> 00:55:21,347
Speaker 22: my principle, if I was refereeing, I'd favor the attacking

1118
00:55:21,387 --> 00:55:26,787
Speaker 22: team if there's a fifty fifty. So, for instance, the

1119
00:55:26,787 --> 00:55:31,547
Speaker 22: disposed knock on over the goal line, was at any

1120
00:55:31,627 --> 00:55:36,787
Speaker 22: point was there contact between his hand and the boar

1121
00:55:36,867 --> 00:55:41,067
Speaker 22: in the ground, like, regardless of whether he loses control after,

1122
00:55:41,107 --> 00:55:46,267
Speaker 22: there's this contact on the ground. To me, that's give

1123
00:55:46,307 --> 00:55:47,507
Speaker 22: that a try, you know what I mean?

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00:55:48,187 --> 00:55:51,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think there's you know, in a

1125
00:55:51,667 --> 00:55:55,307
Speaker 2: frame by frame situation, Dellas, which you know, again there's

1126
00:55:55,307 --> 00:55:57,187
Speaker 2: an argument to say that we shouldn't be doing this anyway,

1127
00:55:57,347 --> 00:55:59,627
Speaker 2: But in a frame by frame situation, you can see

1128
00:55:59,627 --> 00:56:03,387
Speaker 2: separation between Billy Proctor's the ball's kind of gone up

1129
00:56:03,507 --> 00:56:06,787
Speaker 2: out of his palm up around his forearm, and you

1130
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:10,627
Speaker 2: can see separation on one or two of those frames.

1131
00:56:10,987 --> 00:56:15,027
Speaker 2: So theoretically, yes, he has lost control of the ball,

1132
00:56:15,507 --> 00:56:17,627
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be a try. But I'm telling you nick

1133
00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:21,187
Speaker 2: Berry was right there, right there, as close as he

1134
00:56:21,227 --> 00:56:24,427
Speaker 2: could possibly be, and he's called it a try. The

1135
00:56:24,467 --> 00:56:26,867
Speaker 2: one with the obstruction is the one for me, And

1136
00:56:27,147 --> 00:56:30,467
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree with you that the benefit of the

1137
00:56:30,547 --> 00:56:33,907
Speaker 2: doubt has to go to the attacking side because Otherwise,

1138
00:56:33,907 --> 00:56:35,587
Speaker 2: what are we doing. Don't we want people to turn

1139
00:56:35,707 --> 00:56:37,947
Speaker 2: up to watch tries being scored.

1140
00:56:38,627 --> 00:56:44,267
Speaker 22: Exactly, and unless it's a blatant like a gride, you know,

1141
00:56:44,467 --> 00:56:47,987
Speaker 22: someone taken out like American football or something. Unless it's

1142
00:56:47,987 --> 00:56:51,547
Speaker 22: a blatant yeah, okay, if it's blatant yet, sure, But

1143
00:56:52,147 --> 00:56:54,187
Speaker 22: we used to call the shepherding. You know, we just

1144
00:56:54,227 --> 00:56:58,267
Speaker 22: sort of you have dummy runners. You know, you have

1145
00:56:58,347 --> 00:57:04,387
Speaker 22: some dummy runners, and they're just trying to deceive the defense. Right,

1146
00:57:04,507 --> 00:57:07,787
Speaker 22: it's not too much block, but trying to deceive the defense.

1147
00:57:09,227 --> 00:57:10,547
Speaker 22: And what's wrong with that?

1148
00:57:10,667 --> 00:57:13,067
Speaker 9: I agree we should favor the.

1149
00:57:13,067 --> 00:57:16,067
Speaker 22: Attacking side, and that in that case is where it's

1150
00:57:16,067 --> 00:57:16,747
Speaker 22: fifty to fifty.

1151
00:57:16,787 --> 00:57:20,107
Speaker 2: You know, you've got a fan and me Dallas from

1152
00:57:20,147 --> 00:57:22,307
Speaker 2: that point of view. Thanks mate, I appreciate you holding

1153
00:57:22,307 --> 00:57:24,027
Speaker 2: on and coming on out. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1154
00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:26,627
Speaker 2: ten eighty is our number. At the risk of repeating

1155
00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:32,027
Speaker 2: myself that the unequivocal stuff no problem really, you know,

1156
00:57:32,147 --> 00:57:34,187
Speaker 2: much as I said that nick Berry was in good

1157
00:57:34,227 --> 00:57:38,267
Speaker 2: position and you know, perhaps could have awarded the Billy

1158
00:57:38,267 --> 00:57:40,987
Speaker 2: proc to try. He did award it. And it took

1159
00:57:40,987 --> 00:57:43,347
Speaker 2: a frame by frame analysis to find out that it

1160
00:57:43,467 --> 00:57:47,667
Speaker 2: had separated very, very briefly from his hand. But the

1161
00:57:47,707 --> 00:57:51,947
Speaker 2: obstruction one that isn't a forensic analysis situation. That is

1162
00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:56,587
Speaker 2: totally totally subjective, and he saw it the first time.

1163
00:57:57,667 --> 00:57:59,867
Speaker 2: One of the top referees in the world, Nick Berry,

1164
00:58:00,507 --> 00:58:03,107
Speaker 2: saw it in real time and said, there's nothing to

1165
00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:07,107
Speaker 2: see here. And even when it got through on back down,

1166
00:58:07,827 --> 00:58:11,747
Speaker 2: his assistant referee, Christophe Ridley, another one of the world's

1167
00:58:11,827 --> 00:58:15,307
Speaker 2: top officials, said no, no, I think it's okay. Nick

1168
00:58:15,347 --> 00:58:18,667
Speaker 2: Berry disagreed. So the very fact that two officials in

1169
00:58:18,707 --> 00:58:23,507
Speaker 2: the same game disagreed surely shows us that there's a

1170
00:58:23,547 --> 00:58:26,827
Speaker 2: doubt there, and the benefit of that doubt has to

1171
00:58:26,867 --> 00:58:29,347
Speaker 2: go to the attacking side. Otherwise, what are we doing?

1172
00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:31,627
Speaker 2: One twenty three News Talks biggest spare line for the

1173
00:58:31,627 --> 00:58:34,467
Speaker 2: first time this afternoon eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1174
00:58:34,747 --> 00:58:36,587
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. If you would like to send

1175
00:58:36,587 --> 00:58:38,587
Speaker 2: a text, we'll talk rugby for a little bit longer.

1176
00:58:38,667 --> 00:58:42,067
Speaker 2: Some basketball, rugby league and American sport coming up as well,

1177
00:58:42,107 --> 00:58:43,867
Speaker 2: but we'll keep the lines open to talk some all

1178
00:58:43,867 --> 00:58:45,867
Speaker 2: black rugby. Anything you saw last night you want to

1179
00:58:45,867 --> 00:58:48,187
Speaker 2: pick up on. We'll get some more calls on the

1180
00:58:48,187 --> 00:58:49,507
Speaker 2: air in just a Moment one twenty four.

1181
00:58:49,547 --> 00:58:54,267
Speaker 1: Back after this one Crunch, hold n Gage Weekend Sports

1182
00:58:54,467 --> 00:58:58,547
Speaker 1: with Jason Pime and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's first trusted

1183
00:58:58,587 --> 00:59:00,707
Speaker 1: home builder, News Talks Abby.

1184
00:59:00,747 --> 00:59:03,947
Speaker 2: News Talks av and Weekends for one twenty seven talking

1185
00:59:04,027 --> 00:59:08,067
Speaker 2: Rugby Today, Wayne, Jason, how you're doing? But very good wine,

1186
00:59:08,147 --> 00:59:09,187
Speaker 2: very good mate. What's on your mind?

1187
00:59:10,187 --> 00:59:10,307
Speaker 9: Hey?

1188
00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,027
Speaker 21: Look, pussy, I love your show, but I think you

1189
00:59:12,067 --> 00:59:14,827
Speaker 21: do a great job and your enthusiasm for sports and fixtures.

1190
00:59:14,867 --> 00:59:16,427
Speaker 21: So well done to you and your team.

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00:59:16,627 --> 00:59:16,907
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1192
00:59:17,307 --> 00:59:18,987
Speaker 21: What I wanted to what I wanted to put out

1193
00:59:18,987 --> 00:59:22,027
Speaker 21: there was I just love the captain's call scenario. You know,

1194
00:59:22,187 --> 00:59:24,587
Speaker 21: it takes the TMO out of the game. It's it's

1195
00:59:24,627 --> 00:59:27,147
Speaker 21: bad that it's a talking point for us, and you know,

1196
00:59:27,267 --> 00:59:29,587
Speaker 21: give the captain if known as Jacks and let the

1197
00:59:29,587 --> 00:59:31,627
Speaker 21: bloody game flow. You know, I just don't I don't

1198
00:59:31,627 --> 00:59:33,427
Speaker 21: get this. I don't get the pair of the tmo's

1199
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Speaker 21: head over us.

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00:59:34,107 --> 00:59:34,307
Speaker 6: All.

1201
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:37,027
Speaker 2: I like the captain's call idea as well. Wayne. They

1202
00:59:37,027 --> 00:59:38,947
Speaker 2: have it in league obviously, don't they. And what do

1203
00:59:38,987 --> 00:59:42,467
Speaker 2: you get one a game? But if it's successful, you'll

1204
00:59:42,467 --> 00:59:42,907
Speaker 2: retain it?

1205
00:59:42,987 --> 00:59:43,467
Speaker 4: Is that right?

1206
00:59:43,907 --> 00:59:44,667
Speaker 8: That I think.

1207
00:59:44,787 --> 00:59:47,067
Speaker 21: I don't know, I don't really know, but you know,

1208
00:59:47,547 --> 00:59:50,827
Speaker 21: just we'll just limit the stoppages and and last night

1209
00:59:50,827 --> 00:59:52,627
Speaker 21: I don't think anyone was going to complain about any

1210
00:59:52,667 --> 00:59:56,627
Speaker 21: of them. So anyway, there's no I totally considerate.

1211
00:59:56,827 --> 01:00:00,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, the obstruction one in particular, and you know, there

1212
01:00:00,467 --> 01:00:02,587
Speaker 2: was no protest from that, There was no protest from

1213
01:00:02,587 --> 01:00:05,067
Speaker 2: the French side at all. Normally if there's blatant obstruction,

1214
01:00:05,507 --> 01:00:07,907
Speaker 2: you know, and particularly the French, not to cast dispersions

1215
01:00:07,947 --> 01:00:09,667
Speaker 2: on their emotions, but they would have been up in

1216
01:00:09,787 --> 01:00:12,987
Speaker 2: arms about it, you know. Not a not a murmur,

1217
01:00:13,107 --> 01:00:13,627
Speaker 2: not a murmur.

1218
01:00:14,147 --> 01:00:16,987
Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly. Now I just wanted to go. I just

1219
01:00:17,427 --> 01:00:19,267
Speaker 21: I just love that idea. But then might we'll get there,

1220
01:00:19,267 --> 01:00:20,347
Speaker 21: hopefully we will.

1221
01:00:20,347 --> 01:00:22,707
Speaker 2: One good to jettm mate. Thanks for calling. Call back anytime.

1222
01:00:22,747 --> 01:00:27,547
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Cornelius, Hello, Hello, I.

1223
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Speaker 23: Enjoy your show. By the way, I listened to it

1224
01:00:29,387 --> 01:00:31,667
Speaker 23: quite regularly when I'm on the way to the gym. Now,

1225
01:00:31,747 --> 01:00:33,827
Speaker 23: I was just having to be listening. I turned it

1226
01:00:33,867 --> 01:00:36,027
Speaker 23: on just before as I'm driving to the gym, and

1227
01:00:36,027 --> 01:00:38,827
Speaker 23: I couldn't help but not I remember a point a

1228
01:00:38,947 --> 01:00:41,907
Speaker 23: detailed point about the laws to do with some Billy

1229
01:00:41,947 --> 01:00:44,227
Speaker 23: Proptor's try when the.

1230
01:00:44,067 --> 01:00:46,707
Speaker 24: Ball left his arm and you.

1231
01:00:46,627 --> 01:00:49,267
Speaker 23: Can see the separation. Indeed, the couple of the frames

1232
01:00:49,267 --> 01:00:52,747
Speaker 23: showed I watched him, by the way, on movie size screens,

1233
01:00:52,827 --> 01:00:55,427
Speaker 23: I get to see it in real reality, truth, right,

1234
01:00:56,187 --> 01:00:59,387
Speaker 23: and then the ball then he manages to press the

1235
01:00:59,427 --> 01:01:01,827
Speaker 23: ball down with his hand after immediately after, well, how

1236
01:01:01,947 --> 01:01:04,467
Speaker 23: come that was called a knock on when it's not

1237
01:01:04,587 --> 01:01:07,347
Speaker 23: called a knock on in general play when you receive

1238
01:01:07,387 --> 01:01:09,827
Speaker 23: a ball, saying this happens quite regularly. It happened in

1239
01:01:09,867 --> 01:01:11,747
Speaker 23: the during the game last night too. When a person

1240
01:01:12,347 --> 01:01:15,187
Speaker 23: receives the ball from a pass and they stumble it

1241
01:01:15,507 --> 01:01:17,507
Speaker 23: in the pass in the air and they managed to

1242
01:01:17,547 --> 01:01:20,027
Speaker 23: regather it, it's not called a knock on.

1243
01:01:21,187 --> 01:01:22,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a knock on. That's the rule. If

1244
01:01:22,947 --> 01:01:25,667
Speaker 2: you regather it yourself, that's if you take two or

1245
01:01:25,667 --> 01:01:27,707
Speaker 2: three goes at getting it, that's not a knock on.

1246
01:01:28,107 --> 01:01:30,427
Speaker 2: I guess the difference the difference here is that, Yeah,

1247
01:01:30,427 --> 01:01:33,067
Speaker 2: difference here is that he he lo well, and the

1248
01:01:33,147 --> 01:01:37,547
Speaker 2: as I heard Nick Berry explaining it to everybody afterwards

1249
01:01:37,547 --> 01:01:40,827
Speaker 2: through the refs, Mike Cornelius, he said, if he's got

1250
01:01:40,867 --> 01:01:43,067
Speaker 2: it in his hand, he has to control it in

1251
01:01:43,107 --> 01:01:46,627
Speaker 2: his hands. He can't force it with his forearm. That

1252
01:01:46,707 --> 01:01:49,507
Speaker 2: that's the explanation as he as he said it.

1253
01:01:50,867 --> 01:01:52,907
Speaker 23: But how come it still can be a try. I've

1254
01:01:52,987 --> 01:01:55,907
Speaker 23: seen the tries being scored when the weight of the

1255
01:01:55,947 --> 01:01:57,067
Speaker 23: body is on the ball.

1256
01:01:57,467 --> 01:02:01,067
Speaker 2: Yep, it's the separation, is the thing. There was there was,

1257
01:02:01,187 --> 01:02:03,347
Speaker 2: you know, And once again it took it took some

1258
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:07,787
Speaker 2: forensic analysis like CSI, but there was separation between so

1259
01:02:07,827 --> 01:02:11,067
Speaker 2: the ball. At one stage they deemed he had lost control.

1260
01:02:11,307 --> 01:02:13,067
Speaker 2: And yet I know what you're saying, but you can't

1261
01:02:13,067 --> 01:02:16,507
Speaker 2: relate it to general play because the ground comes into

1262
01:02:16,787 --> 01:02:19,787
Speaker 2: play here. He hasn't fumbled it and then got it again.

1263
01:02:21,027 --> 01:02:21,227
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1264
01:02:21,267 --> 01:02:23,107
Speaker 23: And also I think, just to add to the point

1265
01:02:24,507 --> 01:02:27,987
Speaker 23: that you've got, I believe in giving the benefit of

1266
01:02:28,067 --> 01:02:31,067
Speaker 23: the doubt to the attacking team because who knows whether

1267
01:02:31,147 --> 01:02:33,827
Speaker 23: he will he propped or may have indeed ended up

1268
01:02:33,907 --> 01:02:35,067
Speaker 23: controlling the ball in.

1269
01:02:35,027 --> 01:02:38,147
Speaker 24: His hand as it were, and pressing it down. And

1270
01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:44,147
Speaker 24: he did press it down with a well, with a well,

1271
01:02:44,547 --> 01:02:46,267
Speaker 24: I thought it was his hand he pressed it down.

1272
01:02:46,307 --> 01:02:50,507
Speaker 2: In the end, it was his forum. But yeah, so if.

1273
01:02:52,387 --> 01:02:54,347
Speaker 23: A try I've seen it still being a try.

1274
01:02:54,947 --> 01:02:57,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as there's no separation. And that's the thing.

1275
01:02:57,347 --> 01:02:59,467
Speaker 2: Corner Less and nick Berry in the you know, in

1276
01:02:59,547 --> 01:03:02,427
Speaker 2: real time, couldn't tell that there was any separation. And

1277
01:03:02,467 --> 01:03:04,427
Speaker 2: you're right. If you force it, as long as you've

1278
01:03:04,427 --> 01:03:06,867
Speaker 2: still got control of it, you've got weedge in between

1279
01:03:06,907 --> 01:03:09,347
Speaker 2: your hand, your wrist, your forearm, and you force it,

1280
01:03:09,427 --> 01:03:11,747
Speaker 2: that's a try. That is a try. It's just the

1281
01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:13,307
Speaker 2: fact that he's lost loss of control.

1282
01:03:14,387 --> 01:03:16,507
Speaker 23: Yes, and we've seen that time and time again being

1283
01:03:16,507 --> 01:03:17,347
Speaker 23: awarded as a try.

1284
01:03:17,507 --> 01:03:18,107
Speaker 24: Another game.

1285
01:03:18,827 --> 01:03:21,667
Speaker 2: Yep, good on your corn yep, got on your mate,

1286
01:03:21,747 --> 01:03:24,107
Speaker 2: enjoy your trip to the gym. You're putting the rest

1287
01:03:24,107 --> 01:03:26,787
Speaker 2: of us to shame. Sunday afternoon at the gym, mate,

1288
01:03:26,947 --> 01:03:27,907
Speaker 2: Good to have you listening in.

1289
01:03:28,307 --> 01:03:28,427
Speaker 11: Uh.

1290
01:03:29,227 --> 01:03:31,507
Speaker 2: Britt says, downward pressure is all you need. That's true,

1291
01:03:31,547 --> 01:03:34,667
Speaker 2: but you can't. The ball can't separate itself from your

1292
01:03:35,907 --> 01:03:40,347
Speaker 2: You can't. You've got to have the ball under control

1293
01:03:40,627 --> 01:03:44,227
Speaker 2: to score a try. If it was just downward pressure,

1294
01:03:44,267 --> 01:03:46,467
Speaker 2: you could, you could let go of it, it would

1295
01:03:46,547 --> 01:03:48,147
Speaker 2: land on the ground and then you could press it down.

1296
01:03:48,147 --> 01:03:52,707
Speaker 2: That's not a try even if it goes backwards, even

1297
01:03:52,707 --> 01:03:55,347
Speaker 2: if he hasn't knocked it on, he hasn't controlled it

1298
01:03:55,387 --> 01:03:59,547
Speaker 2: over the line. Downward pressure with control of the ball,

1299
01:04:00,187 --> 01:04:02,827
Speaker 2: unless I've been watching a different game for fifty years,

1300
01:04:03,147 --> 01:04:05,867
Speaker 2: is what you have to do. You can't lose control

1301
01:04:05,907 --> 01:04:11,347
Speaker 2: of the ball. The secondary part of this, obviously is

1302
01:04:11,387 --> 01:04:14,627
Speaker 2: that you can't see it in real time. And look,

1303
01:04:15,387 --> 01:04:18,827
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain that, for example, if France had been

1304
01:04:18,867 --> 01:04:21,267
Speaker 2: awarded to try last night under similar circumstances and it

1305
01:04:21,347 --> 01:04:23,507
Speaker 2: hadn't been picked up by the TMO, would be having

1306
01:04:23,507 --> 01:04:25,947
Speaker 2: a different discussion. In fact, didn't that happen last year

1307
01:04:26,467 --> 01:04:30,187
Speaker 2: against South Africa? Do you remember that one the French

1308
01:04:30,187 --> 01:04:34,547
Speaker 2: hooker his name escapes me and he will be able

1309
01:04:34,587 --> 01:04:39,307
Speaker 2: to tell me. I'm sure bongie yeah, in Bongie, yeah,

1310
01:04:39,427 --> 01:04:43,067
Speaker 2: he that was him. There was no way he had

1311
01:04:43,107 --> 01:04:46,067
Speaker 2: control of the ball, and yet the TMO had to

1312
01:04:46,147 --> 01:04:49,187
Speaker 2: look at it and said that was okay. I remember

1313
01:04:49,187 --> 01:04:52,147
Speaker 2: at the time thinking it must be different at altitude

1314
01:04:52,867 --> 01:05:00,987
Speaker 2: but facetious. Hello Steve, very good Steve. What's on your mind?

1315
01:05:01,027 --> 01:05:01,267
Speaker 18: Mate?

1316
01:05:02,147 --> 01:05:02,427
Speaker 8: Mate?

1317
01:05:02,507 --> 01:05:05,347
Speaker 15: I'm a very shafty campus today, mate, I'm a very

1318
01:05:05,387 --> 01:05:06,307
Speaker 15: happy campus today.

1319
01:05:06,507 --> 01:05:08,107
Speaker 2: Or did you have money on front? Did you have

1320
01:05:08,147 --> 01:05:10,427
Speaker 2: did you have money on on all black thunders.

1321
01:05:10,787 --> 01:05:14,067
Speaker 15: Yes five and the leaves, and I had and I

1322
01:05:14,107 --> 01:05:19,387
Speaker 15: had a cornella for Will Jordan and Jordi Barrett to

1323
01:05:19,427 --> 01:05:23,467
Speaker 15: score and also for wal Jordan to score one to

1324
01:05:23,547 --> 01:05:27,267
Speaker 15: three tries. So this afternoon, my friend, I am about

1325
01:05:27,307 --> 01:05:29,067
Speaker 15: to put on my best shirt. I'm going to go

1326
01:05:29,147 --> 01:05:33,107
Speaker 15: down to the CD and make my collection. I've got

1327
01:05:33,107 --> 01:05:36,027
Speaker 15: my friend, I got my fruit brute after shave one.

1328
01:05:36,347 --> 01:05:36,827
Speaker 15: I'm going to.

1329
01:05:36,827 --> 01:05:37,467
Speaker 8: Look the part.

1330
01:05:38,067 --> 01:05:40,667
Speaker 15: I'm going to have all those nice foldies tugged in

1331
01:05:40,747 --> 01:05:42,507
Speaker 15: the way into my pocket. Now I'm going to go

1332
01:05:42,587 --> 01:05:45,987
Speaker 15: down to Burger King and enjoy myself a big bloody

1333
01:05:45,987 --> 01:05:47,187
Speaker 15: be all down the in mate.

1334
01:05:47,467 --> 01:05:49,827
Speaker 2: I think that is magnificent stuff from you, mate, that

1335
01:05:49,907 --> 01:05:52,227
Speaker 2: is magnificent. You must have though, when Jordie's try got

1336
01:05:52,307 --> 01:05:55,707
Speaker 2: ruled out the first one, you know, you must have thought,

1337
01:05:55,707 --> 01:05:57,667
Speaker 2: oh man, it's not going to be my night. But

1338
01:05:57,707 --> 01:06:00,267
Speaker 2: then thankfully for you, he did get one, and Will

1339
01:06:00,347 --> 01:06:01,187
Speaker 2: Jordan got a couple.

1340
01:06:01,947 --> 01:06:04,067
Speaker 15: Yeah, and there's a couple of cancelations in there. So

1341
01:06:04,187 --> 01:06:07,067
Speaker 15: my father and Nunda was looking, Oh, I was getting

1342
01:06:07,107 --> 01:06:09,867
Speaker 15: really worried there. And look, I must say the woodstock

1343
01:06:09,947 --> 01:06:13,707
Speaker 15: nearly went airborne. But you know, we were very, very close,

1344
01:06:13,747 --> 01:06:16,267
Speaker 15: and at the end of the day I was I

1345
01:06:16,307 --> 01:06:18,947
Speaker 15: was chumping at the burden, dancing around the lounge. My

1346
01:06:18,987 --> 01:06:21,027
Speaker 15: wife was going, have you met another woman or something?

1347
01:06:21,347 --> 01:06:22,987
Speaker 15: And I said, the next best.

1348
01:06:22,787 --> 01:06:26,667
Speaker 2: Thing, Steve, I need to come watch the game of

1349
01:06:26,747 --> 01:06:29,227
Speaker 2: rugby with you. That sounds like it's the best place

1350
01:06:29,267 --> 01:06:29,467
Speaker 2: to be.

1351
01:06:30,747 --> 01:06:32,987
Speaker 15: I'm not into the technical stuff, mate, I'm into the

1352
01:06:33,027 --> 01:06:35,547
Speaker 15: money stuff. You know what I mean. Brother, That's all

1353
01:06:35,547 --> 01:06:36,627
Speaker 15: that really matters, isn't it.

1354
01:06:37,507 --> 01:06:40,467
Speaker 2: Well, you're one of our happier callers today, so I

1355
01:06:40,467 --> 01:06:43,187
Speaker 2: think he might be right. I think he might be right. Mate.

1356
01:06:43,227 --> 01:06:45,587
Speaker 2: Get that shirt on, get that collar shirt on, and

1357
01:06:45,627 --> 01:06:46,947
Speaker 2: get down to the tab.

1358
01:06:47,467 --> 01:06:49,467
Speaker 15: And the brute after shape, mate over to get.

1359
01:06:49,267 --> 01:06:49,827
Speaker 8: The fruit after.

1360
01:06:50,507 --> 01:06:52,587
Speaker 2: I can smell it through I can smell it through

1361
01:06:52,627 --> 01:06:55,307
Speaker 2: the phone, Steve, I can smell it through the phone.

1362
01:06:55,347 --> 01:06:59,787
Speaker 2: One of my favorite callers call back anytime. Steve been great, chanity.

1363
01:07:00,067 --> 01:07:03,387
Speaker 2: May you enjoy your outing to the tab. You'll smell

1364
01:07:03,427 --> 01:07:10,347
Speaker 2: them coming. Oh, absolutely tremendous. The You know, the TMO

1365
01:07:10,387 --> 01:07:14,347
Speaker 2: shouldn't intervene more often. This is Steve. That way us

1366
01:07:14,387 --> 01:07:16,387
Speaker 2: old buggers with a weak bladder wouldn't miss too much

1367
01:07:16,387 --> 01:07:19,467
Speaker 2: of the game is very good, Steve, very good. Lincoln, Hi,

1368
01:07:20,827 --> 01:07:21,107
Speaker 2: good Ay.

1369
01:07:21,787 --> 01:07:25,227
Speaker 8: Why do you think the people that run the game need.

1370
01:07:26,707 --> 01:07:29,947
Speaker 21: Again at the at the spectacle they're providing.

1371
01:07:31,307 --> 01:07:32,547
Speaker 2: You just cut out when you said that. Do you

1372
01:07:32,547 --> 01:07:34,747
Speaker 2: think that those who run the game need to look

1373
01:07:34,787 --> 01:07:37,107
Speaker 2: again at the spectacle they're providing. Is that what you're asking?

1374
01:07:37,947 --> 01:07:43,227
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, because it seems like that has happened. Jams

1375
01:07:43,267 --> 01:07:44,147
Speaker 8: are super Rugby.

1376
01:07:46,467 --> 01:07:48,227
Speaker 2: We just lost you there, Lincoln. I think the point

1377
01:07:48,227 --> 01:07:50,547
Speaker 2: you were trying to make is is do they need

1378
01:07:50,587 --> 01:07:52,467
Speaker 2: to look at at it look? I think they always

1379
01:07:52,507 --> 01:07:57,107
Speaker 2: need to, and I think last night was another example

1380
01:07:57,147 --> 01:08:03,307
Speaker 2: of how things you know aren't ideal. The the fact

1381
01:08:03,347 --> 01:08:05,907
Speaker 2: that two of the officials, two of the on field

1382
01:08:05,907 --> 01:08:10,187
Speaker 2: official had differing views of the same incident. I mean,

1383
01:08:10,267 --> 01:08:12,347
Speaker 2: nick Berry gets the final call. Here is the referee,

1384
01:08:12,347 --> 01:08:15,387
Speaker 2: but the assistant referee, you can you hurt him to

1385
01:08:15,427 --> 01:08:18,307
Speaker 2: the rest Mike saying I think that's okay. Nick Berry

1386
01:08:18,307 --> 01:08:22,187
Speaker 2: says not it not for me, mate. It's obstruction, the

1387
01:08:22,227 --> 01:08:26,587
Speaker 2: stoppage and play that sort of thing. I mean, TMO interference. Yeah,

1388
01:08:26,867 --> 01:08:29,307
Speaker 2: you're right about I think you're mentioning super Rugby there,

1389
01:08:29,307 --> 01:08:34,867
Speaker 2: Lincoln and Jack Mesley was very, very keen to minimize

1390
01:08:34,947 --> 01:08:38,267
Speaker 2: TMO involvement in Super Rugby. He said as much every

1391
01:08:38,307 --> 01:08:40,507
Speaker 2: time we chatted to him. He said, look, we don't

1392
01:08:40,507 --> 01:08:44,027
Speaker 2: want the game to be over officiated, and I think

1393
01:08:44,067 --> 01:08:47,667
Speaker 2: it led to a much better spectacle, a much better

1394
01:08:47,707 --> 01:08:52,787
Speaker 2: spectacle one thirty six. One of the debutantes last night

1395
01:08:53,187 --> 01:08:55,947
Speaker 2: was Duplessy Khalify. He's been around for a while and

1396
01:08:56,147 --> 01:08:58,707
Speaker 2: had a wonderful Super Rugby season and as I've said

1397
01:08:58,747 --> 01:09:01,067
Speaker 2: a couple of times on the show, I don't think

1398
01:09:01,107 --> 01:09:03,787
Speaker 2: there was any argument when he was named in this

1399
01:09:03,827 --> 01:09:06,627
Speaker 2: thirty three man squad, and no argument at all when

1400
01:09:06,627 --> 01:09:08,667
Speaker 2: he was named in the match day squad, and it

1401
01:09:08,707 --> 01:09:10,867
Speaker 2: was wonderful to see him take the field last night

1402
01:09:10,987 --> 01:09:13,627
Speaker 2: to become an All Black. Shortly after full time, I

1403
01:09:13,707 --> 01:09:16,387
Speaker 2: had a very quick chant on the field with Duplessy Kadify.

1404
01:09:17,067 --> 01:09:20,987
Speaker 25: Yeah, obviously ecstatic. I'm just don't do one to begin with. Honestly,

1405
01:09:20,987 --> 01:09:24,507
Speaker 25: i'd I'm glad I could come on and have a

1406
01:09:24,547 --> 01:09:27,387
Speaker 25: positive impact on the game, and at the end of

1407
01:09:27,427 --> 01:09:27,787
Speaker 25: the day.

1408
01:09:27,667 --> 01:09:28,427
Speaker 2: I'm just ske to one.

1409
01:09:29,027 --> 01:09:32,267
Speaker 25: I think the feelings and the emotions around achieving a

1410
01:09:32,347 --> 01:09:35,547
Speaker 25: childhood dreamers still yet to hit me or probably hit

1411
01:09:35,587 --> 01:09:36,987
Speaker 25: me when I have a moment to myself in the

1412
01:09:37,067 --> 01:09:38,467
Speaker 25: Chaine rooms or in the room later on.

1413
01:09:38,547 --> 01:09:40,067
Speaker 2: But for now, I'm.

1414
01:09:39,947 --> 01:09:42,107
Speaker 25: Just extremely proud that we're able to win for the

1415
01:09:42,107 --> 01:09:44,747
Speaker 25: first game of the season, get our campaign off to

1416
01:09:44,827 --> 01:09:47,547
Speaker 25: a good start and in front of an awesome home crowd.

1417
01:09:48,427 --> 01:09:50,707
Speaker 2: How are you feeling watching on and how are those

1418
01:09:50,907 --> 01:09:53,907
Speaker 2: final few moments just before you came on? Yeah, I

1419
01:09:53,907 --> 01:09:54,187
Speaker 2: don't know.

1420
01:09:54,307 --> 01:09:58,307
Speaker 25: It's a It's an interesting feeling because on one hand,

1421
01:09:58,307 --> 01:10:00,267
Speaker 25: it's your debut and you.

1422
01:10:00,227 --> 01:10:00,987
Speaker 11: Know there's a bit of.

1423
01:10:00,907 --> 01:10:03,587
Speaker 25: Anticipation around how you're going to go. And then on

1424
01:10:03,587 --> 01:10:06,267
Speaker 25: the other hand, yeah, but a belief in yourself because

1425
01:10:06,347 --> 01:10:08,187
Speaker 25: even the right to be here in this position, so

1426
01:10:08,947 --> 01:10:11,787
Speaker 25: you know, a healthy mix of nerves and confidence I

1427
01:10:11,827 --> 01:10:14,267
Speaker 25: think helped me get out there and just just go

1428
01:10:14,347 --> 01:10:18,387
Speaker 25: about my work. I wouldn't say I did anything amazing,

1429
01:10:19,107 --> 01:10:21,067
Speaker 25: but I know in some way, when all of every

1430
01:10:21,107 --> 01:10:22,827
Speaker 25: single one of us would come off the plane tonight,

1431
01:10:22,867 --> 01:10:24,747
Speaker 25: contributed in a positive way, and for that I'm proud.

1432
01:10:25,107 --> 01:10:26,427
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people up and down the

1433
01:10:26,427 --> 01:10:28,987
Speaker 2: country who are very proud of you, and it is

1434
01:10:28,987 --> 01:10:31,427
Speaker 2: going to be the first of many I know when

1435
01:10:31,427 --> 01:10:33,187
Speaker 2: do you reckon, You'll get a chance to reflect and

1436
01:10:33,667 --> 01:10:36,387
Speaker 2: let it sinking. Will that be later on tonight, after

1437
01:10:36,427 --> 01:10:37,827
Speaker 2: a night's sleep when you reckon.

1438
01:10:38,187 --> 01:10:40,947
Speaker 25: I'd say it will probably have been at some stage tonight, Bonnie.

1439
01:10:41,667 --> 01:10:46,387
Speaker 25: And I'm extremely lucky to be surrounded by family and friends,

1440
01:10:46,467 --> 01:10:50,107
Speaker 25: both within and outside the environment. You know, I would

1441
01:10:50,147 --> 01:10:52,907
Speaker 25: have loved for my confiance Miller to be here tonight,

1442
01:10:52,947 --> 01:10:54,947
Speaker 25: but she has her own job to focus on playing

1443
01:10:54,987 --> 01:10:57,667
Speaker 25: the pulse in Wellington. So you know, Mom and Dad

1444
01:10:57,707 --> 01:11:00,547
Speaker 25: and everyone's here, they're going to be around me. But yeah,

1445
01:11:00,547 --> 01:11:03,147
Speaker 25: at some point tonight I'll I'll have a moment on myself,

1446
01:11:03,187 --> 01:11:04,987
Speaker 25: and I think I'll be able to reflect fully on

1447
01:11:05,467 --> 01:11:08,707
Speaker 25: the journey that's been and hopefully the journey that's still

1448
01:11:08,747 --> 01:11:10,387
Speaker 25: to come, not just for me, but for everyone in

1449
01:11:10,427 --> 01:11:10,747
Speaker 25: the strip.

1450
01:11:11,427 --> 01:11:14,067
Speaker 2: You look very good in black, mate. Congratulations first and.

1451
01:11:14,067 --> 01:11:16,507
Speaker 25: Many cheers, Poney Or is a pleasure, brother clam. We

1452
01:11:16,547 --> 01:11:17,427
Speaker 25: could do it this way tonight.

1453
01:11:17,827 --> 01:11:20,947
Speaker 2: That is a duplicy calife. After making his test debut

1454
01:11:20,987 --> 01:11:23,787
Speaker 2: last night, just before we move, Jamie says, here's a

1455
01:11:23,867 --> 01:11:26,347
Speaker 2: quick list of the all blacks unavailable last night, because

1456
01:11:26,347 --> 01:11:28,187
Speaker 2: a lot's be made of this being a France B

1457
01:11:28,467 --> 01:11:31,507
Speaker 2: or C team. Here are the players unavailable last night

1458
01:11:31,587 --> 01:11:35,107
Speaker 2: to Mighty Williams, I Suffer, Amoor, Tyrell, Lomax, Josh Lord,

1459
01:11:35,147 --> 01:11:39,347
Speaker 2: Sam Dowry, Luke Jacobson, Peter Lacy Wallace, to Titi Ethan Blackadder,

1460
01:11:39,507 --> 01:11:43,427
Speaker 2: Stephen Petafetta, Anton Lennart Brown and Chafee Hackey. You could

1461
01:11:43,507 --> 01:11:48,187
Speaker 2: argue it's our B team as well, says Jamie. Interesting Jamie,

1462
01:11:48,187 --> 01:11:51,187
Speaker 2: interesting text. I think the difference is the experience that

1463
01:11:51,427 --> 01:11:52,947
Speaker 2: was out there last night. There were a lot of

1464
01:11:52,947 --> 01:11:56,587
Speaker 2: caps out there, whereas for France five debutants in the

1465
01:11:56,627 --> 01:11:58,867
Speaker 2: starting fifteen another three on the bench. But I take

1466
01:11:58,867 --> 01:12:02,587
Speaker 2: your point. I take your point. Be very interesting to

1467
01:12:02,587 --> 01:12:05,507
Speaker 2: see what happens in Wellington next weekend, as both teams

1468
01:12:05,707 --> 01:12:10,067
Speaker 2: use last night as a launching plan, a pad slash

1469
01:12:10,187 --> 01:12:16,147
Speaker 2: motivational you know, base from which to build towards Test

1470
01:12:16,187 --> 01:12:19,587
Speaker 2: two in Wellington next week. News talks there being a

1471
01:12:19,587 --> 01:12:22,427
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport twenty to two James mcconey. After this.

1472
01:12:23,827 --> 01:12:25,067
Speaker 4: You be the TMO.

1473
01:12:25,147 --> 01:12:28,147
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty eighty Weekend

1474
01:12:28,187 --> 01:12:32,627
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pain and GJ. Guvnerholmes. New Zealand's most

1475
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Speaker 1: Trusted home Builder News Talks.

1476
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Speaker 2: They'd be coming up one forty four from Kath sadly

1477
01:12:38,147 --> 01:12:40,347
Speaker 2: have only just been able to tune in, so I

1478
01:12:40,347 --> 01:12:42,587
Speaker 2: don't know if you've discussed this, but why do they

1479
01:12:42,667 --> 01:12:46,067
Speaker 2: kick the ball away instead of passing it? Thanks Kath Hey,

1480
01:12:46,147 --> 01:12:48,347
Speaker 2: James mcconey, Why do they kick the ball away instead

1481
01:12:48,347 --> 01:12:48,987
Speaker 2: of passing it?

1482
01:12:49,667 --> 01:12:51,667
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's one of my points as well. Why are

1483
01:12:51,707 --> 01:12:53,947
Speaker 14: they doing it? And are they doing it the right way?

1484
01:12:54,067 --> 01:12:57,987
Speaker 14: Because I do wonder whether our kick strategy is correct

1485
01:12:58,107 --> 01:13:01,467
Speaker 14: when we actually dominated so many of the stats. And

1486
01:13:01,547 --> 01:13:03,307
Speaker 14: you can go on Rugby Pass is a really good

1487
01:13:03,307 --> 01:13:05,667
Speaker 14: website actually, if you you want to take a look

1488
01:13:05,707 --> 01:13:08,667
Speaker 14: at the possess territory, all that of stuff was stacked

1489
01:13:08,667 --> 01:13:11,107
Speaker 14: in the all blacks favor. I mean, yeah, the TMO

1490
01:13:11,267 --> 01:13:13,827
Speaker 14: denied us a couple of times, but no real excuse,

1491
01:13:13,907 --> 01:13:15,427
Speaker 14: is it? Really? No?

1492
01:13:15,427 --> 01:13:18,147
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Did

1493
01:13:18,187 --> 01:13:21,827
Speaker 2: you enjoy watching some deboots last night? Big Fabian Holland

1494
01:13:21,867 --> 01:13:23,827
Speaker 2: are quite like the look of this guy?

1495
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Speaker 14: Yeah, he was my pick of the debutants, Big Fabian Holland,

1496
01:13:27,867 --> 01:13:29,987
Speaker 14: and because he's so big you can't miss him. But

1497
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Speaker 14: playing the eighty minutes, just a big guy shifting bodies

1498
01:13:33,587 --> 01:13:35,987
Speaker 14: around the place. Because you know, you can have your

1499
01:13:36,987 --> 01:13:39,267
Speaker 14: your slim line locks, but the guys who really can

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01:13:39,387 --> 01:13:41,667
Speaker 14: do a bit of both, you know, move the pianos

1501
01:13:41,707 --> 01:13:44,507
Speaker 14: and also go up and get areal like Circa. So

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01:13:44,627 --> 01:13:47,027
Speaker 14: let you need someone like that, and I think Fabian

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01:13:47,067 --> 01:13:49,507
Speaker 14: Holland fits the bill. He looks a lot like Hibinetzabeth,

1504
01:13:49,547 --> 01:13:52,867
Speaker 14: doesn't he crazy?

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01:13:53,187 --> 01:13:55,347
Speaker 2: He said last night I did a postmatch with him

1506
01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:57,347
Speaker 2: and he said, I said, how's it feel, you know,

1507
01:13:57,427 --> 01:14:01,307
Speaker 2: debuting or something? You know, something similarly in Nane and

1508
01:14:01,347 --> 01:14:03,387
Speaker 2: he said, he said, all these are guys I've always

1509
01:14:03,427 --> 01:14:09,307
Speaker 2: looked up to. He's about two meters taen phrase.

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Speaker 14: It's the first time on Sky I've seen Joey Wheeler

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01:14:12,627 --> 01:14:14,267
Speaker 14: having to look up a little bit when he's doing

1512
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Speaker 14: an interview. And by the way, Joey Wheeler is an

1513
01:14:17,627 --> 01:14:20,147
Speaker 14: absolute breath of fresh air on TV. I love his

1514
01:14:20,227 --> 01:14:23,507
Speaker 14: interviews and his energy and I know some people can

1515
01:14:23,627 --> 01:14:27,467
Speaker 14: mudgeons will go, you know, but I think he's outstanding

1516
01:14:27,507 --> 01:14:29,147
Speaker 14: at what he does. And if you want to look

1517
01:14:29,147 --> 01:14:31,027
Speaker 14: at the pre match, if they show it, he does

1518
01:14:31,507 --> 01:14:34,467
Speaker 14: a story that morning with the all black serving coffee

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01:14:34,507 --> 01:14:37,267
Speaker 14: in a cafe in Dnevan and it's great TV.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they've got a really good mix, you know,

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01:14:39,747 --> 01:14:42,107
Speaker 2: and I need they need the I'm not saying he

1522
01:14:42,427 --> 01:14:45,067
Speaker 2: doesn't know anything about rugby, because he does clearly, but yeah,

1523
01:14:45,187 --> 01:14:48,507
Speaker 2: I love the authenticity he brings. I totally agree. And

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01:14:48,547 --> 01:14:50,067
Speaker 2: he's like that off the year too. You would have

1525
01:14:50,067 --> 01:14:52,867
Speaker 2: met him. I'm sure he's exactly the same when he's

1526
01:14:52,867 --> 01:14:56,307
Speaker 2: not on camera. Hey, Mari a black Scotland. Scotland won

1527
01:14:56,307 --> 01:14:56,987
Speaker 2: this game.

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Speaker 8: Oh I know.

1529
01:14:58,427 --> 01:15:01,027
Speaker 14: And also, I mean the thing about it is like

1530
01:15:01,667 --> 01:15:03,827
Speaker 14: they've got nine players away with the Lions, so they

1531
01:15:03,827 --> 01:15:05,387
Speaker 14: are in the strength, but it's still as a Tier

1532
01:15:05,427 --> 01:15:08,107
Speaker 14: one nation. But the thing is with a thriller and

1533
01:15:08,147 --> 01:15:11,427
Speaker 14: they lost the Mali or Blacks lost by three points,

1534
01:15:11,787 --> 01:15:13,947
Speaker 14: but they had a number of penalties near the death.

1535
01:15:14,027 --> 01:15:16,707
Speaker 14: And I'm just wondering, is a draw not good enough?

1536
01:15:16,787 --> 01:15:20,747
Speaker 14: I mean, surely a drawer is okay. I mean, you

1537
01:15:20,867 --> 01:15:23,827
Speaker 14: have a better night after drawing with a Tier one

1538
01:15:23,907 --> 01:15:26,827
Speaker 14: nation than losing, you know. So I'm saying it now,

1539
01:15:26,907 --> 01:15:28,747
Speaker 14: if I can't be a winner, I'd rather be a

1540
01:15:28,827 --> 01:15:29,907
Speaker 14: drawer than a loser.

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01:15:30,827 --> 01:15:32,867
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair I think That's a fair call,

1542
01:15:33,227 --> 01:15:35,547
Speaker 2: isn't it. If one of the options is to lose

1543
01:15:35,547 --> 01:15:38,187
Speaker 2: the game and the other options not to lose the game,

1544
01:15:38,587 --> 01:15:39,867
Speaker 2: you take the second one, don't you?

1545
01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:41,107
Speaker 4: Totally?

1546
01:15:41,627 --> 01:15:43,587
Speaker 14: And also poneyed just to go back to the all

1547
01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:45,467
Speaker 14: Blacks in case we're leaving the All Blacks. I was

1548
01:15:45,467 --> 01:15:47,747
Speaker 14: going to say, I've been listening to callers, and I

1549
01:15:47,787 --> 01:15:50,707
Speaker 14: love the callers. The day after a test match, you

1550
01:15:50,787 --> 01:15:54,307
Speaker 14: must enjoy it as well, and they're making some bloody

1551
01:15:54,347 --> 01:15:56,027
Speaker 14: good points out there. And one of the ones that

1552
01:15:56,107 --> 01:15:58,827
Speaker 14: I like is I think Tupo VI. I think Razor

1553
01:15:59,347 --> 01:16:01,827
Speaker 14: is doing the right thing there. He's never going to

1554
01:16:01,827 --> 01:16:05,987
Speaker 14: be a power number six like Jerome Cano and Shannon Brazzelle,

1555
01:16:06,387 --> 01:16:09,067
Speaker 14: but he's an effort guy and when with that it

1556
01:16:09,107 --> 01:16:13,147
Speaker 14: means just covering more territory, getting, you know, doing more

1557
01:16:13,147 --> 01:16:15,827
Speaker 14: of that dirty work. And I think he's perfect, So

1558
01:16:16,627 --> 01:16:20,027
Speaker 14: let just keep that experiment rolling. It was worth throwing

1559
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:22,667
Speaker 14: the dice with a few of those things. Two Via

1560
01:16:22,707 --> 01:16:26,187
Speaker 14: being one and the other one. I actually thought with

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01:16:26,667 --> 01:16:29,427
Speaker 14: Bowden settling in there at number ten, he really saved

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01:16:29,467 --> 01:16:30,107
Speaker 14: us last night.

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01:16:30,147 --> 01:16:30,907
Speaker 7: Boden Barrett.

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Speaker 14: He kicked every single goal he had to the triassus

1565
01:16:35,707 --> 01:16:37,507
Speaker 14: and like I said, once you iron out some of

1566
01:16:37,547 --> 01:16:41,027
Speaker 14: those keck decisions. I just think that Boden looked really

1567
01:16:41,067 --> 01:16:43,627
Speaker 14: good at number ten, and even with the maat coming on,

1568
01:16:44,227 --> 01:16:48,707
Speaker 14: just having the two playmakers out there. Can we possibly

1569
01:16:48,707 --> 01:16:50,467
Speaker 14: do that again? I know it happened because see we

1570
01:16:50,547 --> 01:16:51,947
Speaker 14: got injured, but I did like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree about Biden Barret at ten. I

1572
01:16:56,147 --> 01:16:58,667
Speaker 2: thought he had an assured game and his goalkicking is

1573
01:16:59,707 --> 01:17:02,147
Speaker 2: as good. He's so effortless. I was watching him kick

1574
01:17:02,187 --> 01:17:04,707
Speaker 2: goals from sideline last night. He's just effortless. Anyway we move,

1575
01:17:05,147 --> 01:17:07,227
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about the lines Andy Farrell's got

1576
01:17:07,227 --> 01:17:08,107
Speaker 2: a son on the team.

1577
01:17:07,947 --> 01:17:11,307
Speaker 14: Now, yeah, exactly. This is the I mean we talk

1578
01:17:11,347 --> 01:17:16,187
Speaker 14: about nepo babies. Have you heard that turn piney I have? Now, yeah,

1579
01:17:17,027 --> 01:17:20,147
Speaker 14: baby is just nepotism, someone picking their son. I mean,

1580
01:17:20,187 --> 01:17:22,507
Speaker 14: we've all worked for companies where the you know, the

1581
01:17:22,587 --> 01:17:25,267
Speaker 14: son of the boss ends up leapfrogging everyone and running

1582
01:17:25,267 --> 01:17:27,467
Speaker 14: the company, and you know you have to be careful

1583
01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:30,347
Speaker 14: of those drinks and stuff, don't you know what you say?

1584
01:17:30,427 --> 01:17:33,627
Speaker 14: But look, this is this is just a classic case

1585
01:17:33,667 --> 01:17:37,307
Speaker 14: of oh yes, Owen Farrell has got you know, an

1586
01:17:37,307 --> 01:17:42,467
Speaker 14: amazing cv of winning and playing for the Lions and

1587
01:17:42,507 --> 01:17:45,827
Speaker 14: all that sort of stuff. But really this is be

1588
01:17:45,907 --> 01:17:47,707
Speaker 14: careful what you wish for, because I think it's a

1589
01:17:47,747 --> 01:17:51,867
Speaker 14: decision like this can unsettle the camp. And bringing someone

1590
01:17:52,187 --> 01:17:54,987
Speaker 14: him in like that, I just think you just lose

1591
01:17:55,027 --> 01:17:58,747
Speaker 14: respect from the troops. So I love Andy Farrell. I'm

1592
01:17:58,747 --> 01:18:00,707
Speaker 14: sure his heart's in the right place, but a guy

1593
01:18:00,827 --> 01:18:03,627
Speaker 14: hasn't played for a while, he's been struggling for fitness,

1594
01:18:04,027 --> 01:18:07,227
Speaker 14: and to go ahead of all those other ones, I mean, yes,

1595
01:18:07,267 --> 01:18:10,787
Speaker 14: you're getting an experienced player, but then that that really

1596
01:18:10,827 --> 01:18:13,067
Speaker 14: signals that he's going to make the Test side, doesn't it?

1597
01:18:13,267 --> 01:18:13,547
Speaker 8: Really?

1598
01:18:13,627 --> 01:18:15,587
Speaker 2: Now I think I know, I think you're right. I

1599
01:18:15,627 --> 01:18:19,547
Speaker 2: think you're right because they had a I was just

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01:18:19,587 --> 01:18:21,187
Speaker 2: going to I want to move on. But they had

1601
01:18:21,187 --> 01:18:24,867
Speaker 2: a at least convincing win over the warri task last night, didn't.

1602
01:18:24,867 --> 01:18:27,107
Speaker 2: They put fifty on the fours, fifty on the reds.

1603
01:18:27,107 --> 01:18:28,627
Speaker 2: They were less convincing last night.

1604
01:18:29,427 --> 01:18:33,227
Speaker 14: Yeah, what should we do? Should we got time for

1605
01:18:33,267 --> 01:18:34,947
Speaker 14: the warriors as well? Or should we just move on

1606
01:18:34,987 --> 01:18:36,507
Speaker 14: to the to the pony.

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01:18:36,587 --> 01:18:38,107
Speaker 2: I think we can. I think you god, I'd like to,

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01:18:38,147 --> 01:18:42,147
Speaker 2: I'd like to to to talk Diego Jotta. This is

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01:18:42,227 --> 01:18:46,467
Speaker 2: just absolutely dreadful news the death and a car accident

1610
01:18:46,467 --> 01:18:50,587
Speaker 2: this week of of one of Liverpool's first team players

1611
01:18:50,587 --> 01:18:51,667
Speaker 2: at the age of twenty eight.

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01:18:52,827 --> 01:18:55,107
Speaker 14: Yeah. I mean, look, it's just life's not fear. I mean,

1613
01:18:55,147 --> 01:18:57,107
Speaker 14: the only reason he was in a car is because

1614
01:18:57,147 --> 01:19:00,147
Speaker 14: they told him not to take a flight back to England,

1615
01:19:00,227 --> 01:19:03,827
Speaker 14: so he is going to the ferry terminal in northern

1616
01:19:04,427 --> 01:19:07,267
Speaker 14: northern Spain. So this is a weird thing right now

1617
01:19:07,307 --> 01:19:08,907
Speaker 14: when you look at it. He would have been on

1618
01:19:08,987 --> 01:19:11,667
Speaker 14: cloud nine before that, has won the League with Liverpool,

1619
01:19:11,667 --> 01:19:17,827
Speaker 14: won the European Nation's Cup final with Portugal, and married

1620
01:19:17,907 --> 01:19:21,547
Speaker 14: his childhood sweet out. They had three kids together. It's

1621
01:19:21,587 --> 01:19:23,987
Speaker 14: twenty eight years old and then that happens. It's just

1622
01:19:24,067 --> 01:19:27,027
Speaker 14: so devastating. I know you're a Liverpool fan, Piney, but

1623
01:19:27,107 --> 01:19:30,787
Speaker 14: also I think for anybody who's lost someone in their

1624
01:19:30,787 --> 01:19:32,827
Speaker 14: lives who's young, and I know that's happened to you,

1625
01:19:32,947 --> 01:19:35,307
Speaker 14: It's happened to me. My best friend died in a

1626
01:19:35,387 --> 01:19:38,587
Speaker 14: car crash when he was eighteen, just outside of Tao Mutu.

1627
01:19:39,267 --> 01:19:44,027
Speaker 14: It's absolutely devastating. There's nothing you can do to change

1628
01:19:44,067 --> 01:19:48,027
Speaker 14: that hurt. Really apart from just remember that, you know,

1629
01:19:48,147 --> 01:19:50,667
Speaker 14: sometimes you just have to appreciate the people around you.

1630
01:19:50,707 --> 01:19:52,907
Speaker 14: Appreciate those days if you are in a car with

1631
01:19:53,027 --> 01:19:55,467
Speaker 14: someone turning them and tell them that you love them.

1632
01:19:55,787 --> 01:19:59,347
Speaker 14: You need to care now rather than worrying about what's

1633
01:19:59,347 --> 01:20:01,787
Speaker 14: happening ahead, because we just don't know what's going to happen.

1634
01:20:01,867 --> 01:20:10,907
Speaker 4: Pony, Oh God, work gone.

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01:20:12,867 --> 01:20:16,467
Speaker 2: With many.

1636
01:20:18,987 --> 01:20:49,467
Speaker 4: An when it's down to the line.

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Speaker 1: You made the call on eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,587
Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pyne News Talk.

1639
01:20:55,507 --> 01:20:59,587
Speaker 2: Zimp Look at the time five to two already Weekend

1640
01:20:59,627 --> 01:21:02,267
Speaker 2: Sport coming to you from Dunedin. We're going to sort

1641
01:21:02,307 --> 01:21:04,947
Speaker 2: of follow the All Blacks around on the show this year,

1642
01:21:05,027 --> 01:21:07,627
Speaker 2: certainly the Games and New Zealand anyway, I don't think

1643
01:21:07,627 --> 01:21:11,107
Speaker 2: we quite stretch to getting over to Argentina to watch

1644
01:21:11,107 --> 01:21:14,267
Speaker 2: them over there or the Northern Tour. Certainly Elliot Smith

1645
01:21:14,307 --> 01:21:18,027
Speaker 2: will be going being our rugby editor and match commentator,

1646
01:21:18,067 --> 01:21:20,867
Speaker 2: but as far as the domestic Test matches are concerned,

1647
01:21:20,907 --> 01:21:23,267
Speaker 2: we'll certainly be taking the show on the road in

1648
01:21:23,267 --> 01:21:25,747
Speaker 2: Wellington next week, which isn't necessarily on the road because

1649
01:21:25,787 --> 01:21:28,147
Speaker 2: I live there. We are going to take the show

1650
01:21:28,627 --> 01:21:33,387
Speaker 2: to Shed twenty two next Saturday afternoon between midday and

1651
01:21:33,427 --> 01:21:36,187
Speaker 2: three as we build towards the second test of the year,

1652
01:21:36,307 --> 01:21:39,547
Speaker 2: All Blacks France at Sky Stadium next Saturday night. And

1653
01:21:39,547 --> 01:21:42,067
Speaker 2: we've even got a place to go in Hamilton as

1654
01:21:42,107 --> 01:21:43,867
Speaker 2: I understand it. I'm just going to get the name

1655
01:21:43,907 --> 01:21:48,987
Speaker 2: of it, the Roaming Giant, The Roaming Giants in Hamilton.

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01:21:49,067 --> 01:21:52,587
Speaker 2: That sounds magnificent. So we'll be there on Saturday, the

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01:21:52,667 --> 01:21:56,587
Speaker 2: nineteenth of July between midday and three. So I think

1658
01:21:56,587 --> 01:22:00,307
Speaker 2: the idea of taking the pregame shows to places like

1659
01:22:00,387 --> 01:22:05,307
Speaker 2: Emerson's Shed twenty two and the Roaming Giant is absolutely inspired.

1660
01:22:06,747 --> 01:22:11,227
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald's claiming responsibility for this idea, and look, I'm

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01:22:11,227 --> 01:22:12,947
Speaker 2: happy for you to do that, mate. You know, if

1662
01:22:12,947 --> 01:22:15,747
Speaker 2: it's your idea, then it's a it's a top draw one,

1663
01:22:15,787 --> 01:22:20,827
Speaker 2: an absolutely top drawer decision by you. After two o'clock

1664
01:22:20,867 --> 01:22:22,907
Speaker 2: we'll shift focus from the rugbeat. Want to talk some

1665
01:22:23,347 --> 01:22:27,667
Speaker 2: Warriors women Patricia malieppol is on the show and some

1666
01:22:27,787 --> 01:22:31,227
Speaker 2: basketball as well. With our junior tour Blacks into the

1667
01:22:31,267 --> 01:22:34,187
Speaker 2: third and fourth place playoff at the Under nineteen FEEB

1668
01:22:34,307 --> 01:22:36,427
Speaker 2: World Cup. Have they caught the eye of the tour

1669
01:22:36,467 --> 01:22:38,427
Speaker 2: Blacks coach jud Flavel.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1671
01:22:43,027 --> 01:22:46,947
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on Weekends Forward with Jason

1672
01:22:46,987 --> 01:22:48,867
Speaker 1: Vane on your home of.

1673
01:22:48,827 --> 01:22:54,427
Speaker 2: Sport in New York, New Talks. Heban Weekend's Sports two six.

1674
01:22:54,467 --> 01:22:57,227
Speaker 2: We're here till three, and then Andrew Dickens takes over

1675
01:22:57,307 --> 01:23:00,547
Speaker 2: for the Sunday edition of The Weekend Collective. Before we

1676
01:23:00,587 --> 01:23:03,987
Speaker 2: can pass the bat and past the microphone, as it were,

1677
01:23:04,627 --> 01:23:07,547
Speaker 2: but to get through this hour. The Warriors women underway

1678
01:23:07,587 --> 01:23:11,667
Speaker 2: in their long awaited return to the nrlwre up against

1679
01:23:11,667 --> 01:23:14,227
Speaker 2: the Roosters in Sydney. Tough first up match for them.

1680
01:23:14,587 --> 01:23:16,467
Speaker 2: They've got quite a few players who have come across

1681
01:23:16,467 --> 01:23:21,307
Speaker 2: from rugby, including Patricia Malieppel, who was part of the

1682
01:23:21,347 --> 01:23:23,987
Speaker 2: Blue side that won Super Rugby Opicky and now she's

1683
01:23:23,987 --> 01:23:26,467
Speaker 2: playing rugby league for the Warriors. Had the chance to

1684
01:23:26,547 --> 01:23:27,867
Speaker 2: chat to her a couple of days ago. Want to

1685
01:23:27,867 --> 01:23:30,387
Speaker 2: play that for you. The Junior Tall Blacks are in

1686
01:23:30,427 --> 01:23:33,547
Speaker 2: the third and fourth place playoff at the Under nineteen

1687
01:23:33,787 --> 01:23:37,307
Speaker 2: feb World Cup in Switzerland. They lost this morning to

1688
01:23:37,307 --> 01:23:39,707
Speaker 2: the United States of America. No disgrace there in a

1689
01:23:39,747 --> 01:23:42,867
Speaker 2: game of basketball. They take on Slovenia tomorrow morning and

1690
01:23:42,947 --> 01:23:46,307
Speaker 2: could produce the best ever finished by a New Zealand

1691
01:23:46,307 --> 01:23:49,867
Speaker 2: team at a feb event. Tall Blacks coach Judd Flab,

1692
01:23:49,867 --> 01:23:51,547
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. How good is this

1693
01:23:51,627 --> 01:23:56,947
Speaker 2: next generation of male basketballers from this country? And we'll

1694
01:23:56,947 --> 01:23:58,747
Speaker 2: get you Stateside as well to wrap up all things

1695
01:23:58,787 --> 01:24:02,187
Speaker 2: Americans sportly on Busby in his regular slide, as far

1696
01:24:02,227 --> 01:24:05,187
Speaker 2: as American sport has concerned, our lines remain open all afternoon.

1697
01:24:05,507 --> 01:24:07,987
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

1698
01:24:08,267 --> 01:24:10,347
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two if you would prefer to send

1699
01:24:10,387 --> 01:24:12,867
Speaker 2: your thoughts in by text or emails to Jason at

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01:24:12,907 --> 01:24:16,707
Speaker 2: NEWSTALKZEDB dot co dot nz. But as we tick towards

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01:24:16,707 --> 01:24:19,867
Speaker 2: eight past two, as we always do on weekend sport

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01:24:20,147 --> 01:24:22,027
Speaker 2: after the two o'clock news, it's time to get you

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01:24:22,067 --> 01:24:24,627
Speaker 2: across some of the stuff that may have escaped your attention,

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01:24:25,627 --> 01:24:28,347
Speaker 2: some of the stuff you missed in case you missed it,

1705
01:24:28,427 --> 01:24:32,227
Speaker 2: some motorsport before we get into our smager's board of

1706
01:24:32,427 --> 01:24:39,347
Speaker 2: oval ball content. Shamban Gisbergen threw cleanly in NASCAR. You

1707
01:24:39,387 --> 01:24:44,187
Speaker 2: spell Chicago s v G shame that gisburg and wins

1708
01:24:44,227 --> 01:24:49,027
Speaker 2: again in the Wendy City, an Exfinity Series win at

1709
01:24:49,067 --> 01:24:52,387
Speaker 2: Chicago for Shane van Gisbergen, setting him up for a

1710
01:24:52,427 --> 01:24:56,107
Speaker 2: potential two win weekend. He's sitting on pole for the

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01:24:56,227 --> 01:24:59,987
Speaker 2: NASCAR Cup Series as well. Now to the Oval Ball

1712
01:25:00,107 --> 01:25:03,547
Speaker 2: and to the NRL. The Storm battling their way to

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01:25:03,627 --> 01:25:07,147
Speaker 2: a twenty six twenty win over the Cowboys Balpu the

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Speaker 2: decor U's on his gottess men. He is over flow

1715
01:25:13,907 --> 01:25:20,427
Speaker 2: with the off flag NY another celebration and the Raiders

1716
01:25:20,467 --> 01:25:23,867
Speaker 2: have solidified top spot on the table thanks to some

1717
01:25:24,187 --> 01:25:29,747
Speaker 2: magic from Chio Weeks chasing the pretend on Weeks. You

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01:25:29,787 --> 01:25:32,307
Speaker 2: don't want to miss him. He might give you a

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01:25:32,387 --> 01:25:37,587
Speaker 2: second chance. He's cleaned on the dragon, No chance, he's

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01:25:37,667 --> 01:25:42,227
Speaker 2: breathed on Breyon. Don't chase what almost made different?

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01:25:43,067 --> 01:25:43,507
Speaker 11: Says to.

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01:25:46,347 --> 01:25:52,587
Speaker 2: Come wait, superstiline tend Yeah, call off the search for

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01:25:52,667 --> 01:25:54,787
Speaker 2: Trive of the year. That is that Kyo Weeks. Have

1724
01:25:54,827 --> 01:25:56,787
Speaker 2: a look at that at some stage if you haven't

1725
01:25:56,787 --> 01:25:58,627
Speaker 2: managed to check it out. Of twenty eight, twenty four

1726
01:25:58,667 --> 01:26:01,347
Speaker 2: when for the Raiders over the Dragons. Heaps of international

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Speaker 2: rugby as well, Scotland's triumphant over the New Zealand Molly

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01:26:05,427 --> 01:26:07,907
Speaker 2: mariy or Blacks doing their face to hold on to

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01:26:07,987 --> 01:26:10,187
Speaker 2: the ball. Let's stay with the Scots.

1730
01:26:14,547 --> 01:26:20,107
Speaker 3: Guys fight this night for Scotland and Finaite.

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01:26:20,627 --> 01:26:23,987
Speaker 2: The spring Marks made to work against Italy.

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01:26:23,987 --> 01:26:26,227
Speaker 1: Can't make it to the triline clickball for put, the

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Speaker 1: clerk pupped way Vinton cop stop shorts, the clouds.

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01:26:32,147 --> 01:26:34,667
Speaker 2: Changes direction, real danger.

1735
01:26:36,827 --> 01:26:38,707
Speaker 4: Land turn five up.

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01:26:39,227 --> 01:26:42,507
Speaker 2: The spring Marks eventually victorious forty two to twenty four.

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01:26:42,667 --> 01:26:46,187
Speaker 2: A valiant effort by the Waratahs and they're twenty one

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01:26:46,187 --> 01:26:50,187
Speaker 2: to ten loss to the British and Irish Lions. The

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01:26:50,307 --> 01:26:55,107
Speaker 2: Warritas right win for the celebrate light.

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01:26:55,227 --> 01:26:55,587
Speaker 20: I have.

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01:26:57,267 --> 01:27:02,427
Speaker 3: That held the lines to just three tries whilst going two.

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01:27:02,307 --> 01:27:05,867
Speaker 2: Of their own, and I have won back plenty of

1743
01:27:06,467 --> 01:27:12,747
Speaker 2: ms in Sydney and Japan have sent Wales to an

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01:27:12,907 --> 01:27:17,147
Speaker 2: eighteenth straight defeat. Can they maintain them aventum to the

1745
01:27:17,187 --> 01:27:18,507
Speaker 2: line they smuggled away?

1746
01:27:18,667 --> 01:27:21,347
Speaker 3: Oh, now the chance of this corps and they come.

1747
01:27:21,187 --> 01:27:22,547
Speaker 2: Out with the land.

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01:27:23,787 --> 01:27:26,747
Speaker 25: While sharts crumbling in keith a q shoot as we

1749
01:27:26,907 --> 01:27:29,707
Speaker 25: enter the final ten minutes of the match and the

1750
01:27:29,787 --> 01:27:32,947
Speaker 25: Brave Blossoms with the noses in front.

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Speaker 1: The scup from the track fields and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of Sport, Weekend Sport with Jason Vine talks.

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01:27:41,347 --> 01:27:45,787
Speaker 2: In b eleven minutes past two on Weekend Sport. High

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01:27:45,827 --> 01:27:49,307
Speaker 2: excitement as the Warriors women make their return to the

1755
01:27:49,427 --> 01:27:53,827
Speaker 2: NRLW after a five year absence. They've just kicked off

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01:27:53,867 --> 01:27:57,867
Speaker 2: against the Roosters at Elian Stadium in Sydney. Ten Test

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01:27:58,027 --> 01:28:02,627
Speaker 2: black firm Patricia Malieppol joined the Warriors just days after

1758
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Speaker 2: helping the Blues win the Super Rugby Opekey title for

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01:28:06,027 --> 01:28:09,027
Speaker 2: the seat straight year. She is starting at five eighths

1760
01:28:09,027 --> 01:28:11,187
Speaker 2: in the season opening this afternoon. I spoke to her

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01:28:11,227 --> 01:28:14,107
Speaker 2: on Friday and ask first of all about her decision

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01:28:14,227 --> 01:28:15,147
Speaker 2: to switch codes.

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Speaker 11: Oh, first all, I think I just me and my

1764
01:28:20,987 --> 01:28:25,787
Speaker 11: journey in rugby. I kind of felt like it was

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01:28:25,867 --> 01:28:28,987
Speaker 11: just up and down and not going anywhere within the

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01:28:29,067 --> 01:28:31,667
Speaker 11: past year. So yeah, I did have to make that

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Speaker 11: tough decision on whether I wanted to, you know, stick

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01:28:35,267 --> 01:28:38,707
Speaker 11: around and be back up for World Cup or take

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01:28:38,747 --> 01:28:43,147
Speaker 11: on an opportunity and just try something new and possibly

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01:28:43,187 --> 01:28:47,347
Speaker 11: have the opportunity to play. So yeah, I think just

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01:28:48,307 --> 01:28:51,027
Speaker 11: I think I needed it myself, and yeah, I just

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01:28:51,067 --> 01:28:54,387
Speaker 11: had a gut feeling to make the switch and just

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01:28:54,587 --> 01:28:58,227
Speaker 11: you know, have a fresh start in a new code. Yeah,

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01:28:58,227 --> 01:29:01,307
Speaker 11: which was really exciting and I'm enjoying it so far.

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01:29:01,427 --> 01:29:04,747
Speaker 11: So I'm really pleased with the decision that I've made.

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01:29:04,947 --> 01:29:07,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you. When you spoke with head coach

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01:29:07,467 --> 01:29:11,627
Speaker 2: Ron Griffiths, what did he specifically say that convinced you

1778
01:29:11,787 --> 01:29:14,107
Speaker 2: that this would be the right move for you?

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01:29:17,627 --> 01:29:20,867
Speaker 11: I thought he was he was concepting me through blues

1780
01:29:20,947 --> 01:29:23,427
Speaker 11: and I was like, oh my gosh, is this legal or.

1781
01:29:25,387 --> 01:29:25,627
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1782
01:29:25,707 --> 01:29:26,667
Speaker 10: But crazy?

1783
01:29:26,747 --> 01:29:29,987
Speaker 11: But I think the man just I think his heart,

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01:29:30,107 --> 01:29:32,267
Speaker 11: Like he's just got a big heart for people, and

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01:29:32,307 --> 01:29:35,547
Speaker 11: I think he's a people first type of person rather

1786
01:29:35,587 --> 01:29:39,987
Speaker 11: than a player, and I really respect that. And yeah,

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01:29:39,987 --> 01:29:46,347
Speaker 11: he just kind of implemented on like how he wanted

1788
01:29:46,947 --> 01:29:50,947
Speaker 11: the team to look at the culture and just the

1789
01:29:51,147 --> 01:29:54,987
Speaker 11: environment and yeah, I really thrive off that type of

1790
01:29:55,027 --> 01:29:58,787
Speaker 11: stuff rather than just being seen as a as a player.

1791
01:29:59,187 --> 01:30:01,787
Speaker 11: I think there's more to a person than a player.

1792
01:30:01,867 --> 01:30:02,747
Speaker 6: So yeah, just.

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Speaker 11: Him having a big hard for people is probably what

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01:30:11,707 --> 01:30:15,467
Speaker 11: drew me into Yeah two wants to play under him?

1795
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Speaker 2: Fantastic. So did you play any rugby league growing up

1796
01:30:19,027 --> 01:30:19,947
Speaker 2: or is this all new.

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Speaker 11: Honestly, it's going to sound crazy, but this is new.

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01:30:24,827 --> 01:30:27,467
Speaker 11: This is all new. This is like picking up the

1799
01:30:27,587 --> 01:30:31,307
Speaker 11: rugby ball for the first time how many years ago,

1800
01:30:31,507 --> 01:30:35,827
Speaker 11: but with the league. So yeah, this weekend will be

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01:30:35,947 --> 01:30:38,467
Speaker 11: my first rugby league game.

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01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:41,227
Speaker 2: That is so cool. I just love that. I love that.

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01:30:41,347 --> 01:30:44,067
Speaker 2: So how have you found it and what have been

1804
01:30:44,347 --> 01:30:46,867
Speaker 2: the biggest adjustments that you've found You've had to make

1805
01:30:46,867 --> 01:30:49,827
Speaker 2: because you get ready to play thirteen a side rather

1806
01:30:49,867 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 2: than fifteen a side.

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Speaker 11: Yeah at this, don't get me wrong, but at the

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01:30:55,747 --> 01:30:58,627
Speaker 11: start of pre season it was pretty hard to like

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01:30:58,987 --> 01:31:01,587
Speaker 11: it was kind of just like, yeah, take put on

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Speaker 11: your boots, get on the field, see how you feel,

1811
01:31:04,467 --> 01:31:08,707
Speaker 11: and kind of learn that way where I'm so used

1812
01:31:08,707 --> 01:31:12,027
Speaker 11: to being well, I've been told what to do and

1813
01:31:12,107 --> 01:31:14,107
Speaker 11: stuff the past couple of years in rugby and it's

1814
01:31:14,187 --> 01:31:17,147
Speaker 11: just been like, it's not far different. But I think

1815
01:31:17,187 --> 01:31:21,107
Speaker 11: the physicality is I think it's up there, and I

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01:31:21,107 --> 01:31:25,067
Speaker 11: think the only difference between rugby league and rugby union

1817
01:31:25,267 --> 01:31:29,467
Speaker 11: is that and the shuttles of getting up maybe the

1818
01:31:29,507 --> 01:31:33,587
Speaker 11: tackle of getting back. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, that's

1819
01:31:33,627 --> 01:31:34,427
Speaker 11: a turning point.

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01:31:34,987 --> 01:31:37,147
Speaker 2: That's a different kind of fitness. Isn't it. Well, I mean,

1821
01:31:37,187 --> 01:31:39,267
Speaker 2: I don't know personally, but it looks like a different

1822
01:31:39,347 --> 01:31:42,347
Speaker 2: kind of fitness. As you say, the shuttles that you know,

1823
01:31:42,387 --> 01:31:44,387
Speaker 2: making the tackle, getting back in the line, plus the

1824
01:31:44,427 --> 01:31:47,787
Speaker 2: physicality of the tackles coming your way as well. Have

1825
01:31:47,867 --> 01:31:50,467
Speaker 2: you had to kind of I mean, you're in pretty

1826
01:31:50,467 --> 01:31:52,307
Speaker 2: good shape, but have you had to sort of steal

1827
01:31:52,387 --> 01:31:55,347
Speaker 2: yourself for the physicality that you're going to encounter in

1828
01:31:55,427 --> 01:31:56,147
Speaker 2: rugby league.

1829
01:31:56,707 --> 01:32:01,027
Speaker 11: Oh, definitely. I think I'm quite grateful that I've got

1830
01:32:01,507 --> 01:32:05,787
Speaker 11: freaking good teammates and runners like secure a Baker and

1831
01:32:05,947 --> 01:32:09,347
Speaker 11: like the likes of heart to turn them just to

1832
01:32:09,467 --> 01:32:14,867
Speaker 11: like run it at me, because man, you're they're just

1833
01:32:14,987 --> 01:32:19,587
Speaker 11: like full just no handbrake on running at you, and

1834
01:32:19,627 --> 01:32:23,187
Speaker 11: you're you've got to get off what ten meters back

1835
01:32:23,747 --> 01:32:28,307
Speaker 11: and try make a dominant tackle, which you probably won't

1836
01:32:28,347 --> 01:32:31,387
Speaker 11: if you see them running at you. So yeah, really

1837
01:32:31,387 --> 01:32:36,667
Speaker 11: grateful for them, And yeah, it's really tested my shoulders.

1838
01:32:36,707 --> 01:32:42,227
Speaker 11: But I think I'm determined they're ready for this Sunday understanding.

1839
01:32:42,547 --> 01:32:46,147
Speaker 2: And it's a whole new group as well, isn't it. Patricia.

1840
01:32:46,187 --> 01:32:48,787
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's a lot of new players who

1841
01:32:49,067 --> 01:32:51,587
Speaker 2: haven't necessarily played together before. I know you've played with

1842
01:32:51,747 --> 01:32:53,547
Speaker 2: some of the Black fernds who have come across as well,

1843
01:32:53,587 --> 01:32:56,227
Speaker 2: But how have you gone about establishing connections as a

1844
01:32:56,267 --> 01:32:59,307
Speaker 2: team off the field as you prepare to go on

1845
01:32:59,347 --> 01:33:00,787
Speaker 2: to the field.

1846
01:33:01,107 --> 01:33:02,747
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, well, I like you said, I think we

1847
01:33:03,027 --> 01:33:07,227
Speaker 11: we are definitely a very diverse team in in the

1848
01:33:07,427 --> 01:33:11,227
Speaker 11: likes of coming from different codes and different levels of

1849
01:33:11,387 --> 01:33:19,347
Speaker 11: rugby and professional professionalism. But we did have a connections

1850
01:33:19,387 --> 01:33:21,307
Speaker 11: camp down at Amdi.

1851
01:33:23,507 --> 01:33:24,147
Speaker 24: Wake couple.

1852
01:33:24,307 --> 01:33:27,987
Speaker 11: I think I forgot the name of them that I

1853
01:33:28,107 --> 01:33:32,267
Speaker 11: but I think from there our connection just grew tighter.

1854
01:33:32,427 --> 01:33:37,147
Speaker 11: And yeah, we've been building off field and just little

1855
01:33:37,427 --> 01:33:42,867
Speaker 11: team team group activities is keeping us in line, and

1856
01:33:42,947 --> 01:33:45,627
Speaker 11: I think I think the girls just feel like it's

1857
01:33:45,667 --> 01:33:48,467
Speaker 11: an environment where you can just be open and it's

1858
01:33:48,467 --> 01:33:52,667
Speaker 11: a safe space for them to, like, you know, go

1859
01:33:52,827 --> 01:33:57,947
Speaker 11: up to Uppy Nichols and ask her questions about footing

1860
01:33:58,107 --> 01:34:02,627
Speaker 11: or just just tell a general conversation about life. So yeah,

1861
01:34:02,667 --> 01:34:06,707
Speaker 11: I think our team is very approachable, very kind human

1862
01:34:06,747 --> 01:34:09,187
Speaker 11: beings and they're lovely people.

1863
01:34:09,467 --> 01:34:11,747
Speaker 2: That's good to hear. So going into your first game,

1864
01:34:11,787 --> 01:34:15,227
Speaker 2: it's likely you'll be heavy underdogs against the roosters. Are

1865
01:34:15,267 --> 01:34:16,427
Speaker 2: you okay with that tag?

1866
01:34:17,107 --> 01:34:17,307
Speaker 4: Oh?

1867
01:34:17,387 --> 01:34:21,507
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I think there will be a shot

1868
01:34:21,747 --> 01:34:27,107
Speaker 11: to the n r L doubles the Warriors returning, And yeah,

1869
01:34:27,107 --> 01:34:31,547
Speaker 11: I just think New Zealanders are different hitters, so you know,

1870
01:34:31,707 --> 01:34:34,467
Speaker 11: you just never know what to expect on Sunday.

1871
01:34:34,587 --> 01:34:39,107
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I know you're only just starting out

1872
01:34:39,147 --> 01:34:41,827
Speaker 2: on your rugby league journey. But have you closed the

1873
01:34:41,827 --> 01:34:43,827
Speaker 2: door on rugby union or is that something that you

1874
01:34:43,907 --> 01:34:45,507
Speaker 2: think in the future you may go back to.

1875
01:34:48,427 --> 01:34:52,187
Speaker 11: Honestly, recently I have I have been thinking and stuff,

1876
01:34:52,227 --> 01:34:56,787
Speaker 11: but I'm kind of just living in the moment and

1877
01:34:56,867 --> 01:34:59,587
Speaker 11: enjoying each step of the way and whatever comes in

1878
01:34:59,627 --> 01:35:03,627
Speaker 11: the future comes. But yeah, my main priority is the

1879
01:35:03,667 --> 01:35:08,027
Speaker 11: Warriors this season and wherever that leads me at the

1880
01:35:08,147 --> 01:35:12,347
Speaker 11: end of the season. And what I feel like makes

1881
01:35:12,387 --> 01:35:17,507
Speaker 11: me happy and makes me feel valued, then yeah, who

1882
01:35:17,547 --> 01:35:18,787
Speaker 11: knows what would have been there?

1883
01:35:20,227 --> 01:35:23,747
Speaker 2: What a mindset? Yeah? What am mindset to have? Hey,

1884
01:35:23,747 --> 01:35:26,147
Speaker 2: Patricia has been such a delight chatting to you. Look,

1885
01:35:26,187 --> 01:35:28,747
Speaker 2: we can't wait to see how the Warriors will go

1886
01:35:28,747 --> 01:35:30,747
Speaker 2: in the NRLW now that you're back in there after

1887
01:35:30,787 --> 01:35:33,107
Speaker 2: a long absence. All the best for your first game

1888
01:35:33,147 --> 01:35:34,947
Speaker 2: and look forward to catching up at some stage throughout

1889
01:35:34,987 --> 01:35:35,387
Speaker 2: the season.

1890
01:35:36,067 --> 01:35:38,067
Speaker 11: Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.

1891
01:35:38,827 --> 01:35:42,467
Speaker 2: And that is Patricia Mallieppl who I spoke to on Friday.

1892
01:35:42,587 --> 01:35:44,747
Speaker 2: I couldn't talk to us today because they're playing at

1893
01:35:44,787 --> 01:35:48,947
Speaker 2: the moment. And in fact, would you believe it, Patricia Mallepple,

1894
01:35:49,147 --> 01:35:52,427
Speaker 2: while that interview was playing, has scored the warriors first

1895
01:35:52,467 --> 01:35:55,587
Speaker 2: try of the season, So clearly appearing on the radio

1896
01:35:56,147 --> 01:36:00,067
Speaker 2: is helpful in scoring tries in the NRLW Nine and

1897
01:36:00,067 --> 01:36:02,587
Speaker 2: a half minutes to go in the first half and

1898
01:36:02,907 --> 01:36:06,107
Speaker 2: it's the Roosters ahead by ten points to six. They

1899
01:36:06,187 --> 01:36:10,227
Speaker 2: were huge favorites the Rooster's going into this game and

1900
01:36:10,547 --> 01:36:15,707
Speaker 2: Patricia maliepp Ball has clearly decided that that's not something

1901
01:36:15,747 --> 01:36:18,787
Speaker 2: she's interested in at all. A try for her ten

1902
01:36:18,827 --> 01:36:22,627
Speaker 2: to six, the Roosters lead the Warriors with nine minutes

1903
01:36:22,667 --> 01:36:25,867
Speaker 2: to go in the first half at Alian Stadium in Sydney.

1904
01:36:25,867 --> 01:36:28,387
Speaker 2: Good stuff. We'll keep eyes on that for you. Two twenty.

1905
01:36:28,547 --> 01:36:30,747
Speaker 2: It is it's take a break. When we come back,

1906
01:36:30,787 --> 01:36:33,427
Speaker 2: it's to basketball we go. Because the junior Tall Blacks

1907
01:36:33,427 --> 01:36:36,467
Speaker 2: are currently at the World Cup in Switzerland. Yesterday we

1908
01:36:36,467 --> 01:36:39,707
Speaker 2: spoke to their coach, Matt Lacy after they'd beaten the

1909
01:36:39,747 --> 01:36:43,627
Speaker 2: Swiss to move into the semifinals. They suffered a reasonably

1910
01:36:43,667 --> 01:36:46,747
Speaker 2: heavy defeat to the United States in the semifinals this morning,

1911
01:36:47,227 --> 01:36:50,227
Speaker 2: but that feeds them into the third and fourth place playoff.

1912
01:36:50,227 --> 01:36:53,267
Speaker 2: They'll take on Slovenia at that game underway at around

1913
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Speaker 2: three o'clock tomorrow morning, New Zealand time. So how do

1914
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Speaker 2: we rate this next generation of New Zealand male basketballers?

1915
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Speaker 2: Are we looking at another golden generation the likes of

1916
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Speaker 2: which we in the early two thousands when New Zealand

1917
01:37:09,227 --> 01:37:13,107
Speaker 2: finished fourth at the Senior Basketball World Cup. Jud Flavel

1918
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Speaker 2: was in that team. He's now Tall Blacks coach. She's

1919
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Speaker 2: going to join us on the show after this break.

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Speaker 4: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason

1921
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Speaker 4: Fine and GJ.

1922
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Speaker 1: Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks EDB.

1923
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Speaker 2: News TALKSB and Weekend Sport Basketball In just a sect.

1924
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Speaker 2: Two twenty four are from Sonya on Techs. Just wanted

1925
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Speaker 2: to mention that both our New Zealand men and women's

1926
01:37:36,467 --> 01:37:39,707
Speaker 2: softball teams are overseas in Canada right now. The New

1927
01:37:39,787 --> 01:37:43,107
Speaker 2: Zealand White Sox and the New Zealand Major Socks, which

1928
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Speaker 2: is our under twenty three women's side, are at the

1929
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Speaker 2: Canada Cup starting tomorrow, and our Black Sox men are

1930
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Speaker 2: playing in the Men's Softball World Cup. YouTube Softball New

1931
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Speaker 2: Zealand live stream in the games. Thank you, sonya. We'll

1932
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Speaker 2: keep eyes on that. I was aware of that. We

1933
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Speaker 2: will certainly make sure we keep you up to date

1934
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Speaker 2: with scores etc. Across the week here on News Talks EDB.

1935
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Speaker 2: The Junior Tall Blacks meantime eat Slovenia in the playoff

1936
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Speaker 2: for third and fourth at the Under nineteen World Cup

1937
01:38:11,107 --> 01:38:12,347
Speaker 2: in Switzerland and.

1938
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Speaker 26: Tible this one out as Team USA absolutely rocket themselves

1939
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Speaker 26: into the final of the FOB Under nineteen Welcome.

1940
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Speaker 2: Plumtree will hit the three at the end.

1941
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Speaker 26: Just a good measure Team USA with a tomin and victory.

1942
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Speaker 2: Yep, they have beaten New Zealand, have the United States.

1943
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Speaker 2: But the Tall Blacks, the Junior Tall Blacks sorry, have

1944
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Speaker 2: the chance to achieve New Zealand's best ever finish at

1945
01:38:43,667 --> 01:38:47,307
Speaker 2: a FEB event, following the Tall Blacks famous fourth place

1946
01:38:47,387 --> 01:38:50,747
Speaker 2: at the World Cup in two thousand and two, emulated

1947
01:38:51,107 --> 01:38:54,667
Speaker 2: by our under seventeen men's side at their World Cup

1948
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Speaker 2: last year, and our five of that team are in

1949
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Speaker 2: this under nineteen side. Let's bring in Tall Blacks coach

1950
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Speaker 2: jud Flavel, who I'm sure has been a very, very

1951
01:39:03,907 --> 01:39:07,907
Speaker 2: interested onlooker this week at the game's playing out in Switzerland. John,

1952
01:39:07,947 --> 01:39:10,507
Speaker 2: thanks for your tom What has impressed you the most

1953
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Speaker 2: when you've watched these young men play this week?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

1955
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Speaker 27: Interested in riding the wave with these boys in this

1956
01:39:18,827 --> 01:39:21,667
Speaker 27: scene and Matt Lacy the coach, you know, just I

1957
01:39:21,827 --> 01:39:24,427
Speaker 27: like with a lot of the basketball fraternity and in

1958
01:39:24,507 --> 01:39:27,747
Speaker 27: New Zealand, you know, one behind the scene that made

1959
01:39:27,787 --> 01:39:30,947
Speaker 27: us proud, and I think for a number of reasons.

1960
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Speaker 27: You know, firstly, just competing on this world stage, which

1961
01:39:34,227 --> 01:39:38,507
Speaker 27: we know is a true global sport, and they're taking

1962
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Speaker 27: on the heavyweights of the world and really holding their

1963
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Speaker 27: heads up high, and they have a real self confidence

1964
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Speaker 27: about themselves. And yeah, the gold medals, you know, out

1965
01:39:48,347 --> 01:39:51,467
Speaker 27: of reach right now, but they truly believe that, you know,

1966
01:39:51,707 --> 01:39:55,387
Speaker 27: that's where they belong. And along with the rest of us,

1967
01:39:55,427 --> 01:39:57,747
Speaker 27: that felt like this group was a special group that

1968
01:39:57,787 --> 01:40:00,267
Speaker 27: they could do some things with. So the confidence that

1969
01:40:00,267 --> 01:40:05,067
Speaker 27: they're playing with the connection that they're playing with, you know,

1970
01:40:05,347 --> 01:40:08,547
Speaker 27: and two important things that as we know with elite

1971
01:40:08,587 --> 01:40:10,987
Speaker 27: sport and high performance sport, that you must have and

1972
01:40:11,587 --> 01:40:12,867
Speaker 27: these guys are doing that.

1973
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Speaker 8: And you know, the crazy.

1974
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Speaker 27: Thing is that there are always little things there that

1975
01:40:18,267 --> 01:40:20,387
Speaker 27: the team can actually brush up on. And maybe that's

1976
01:40:20,427 --> 01:40:23,147
Speaker 27: the coach side on me that's coming out, but I

1977
01:40:23,187 --> 01:40:25,907
Speaker 27: would say that they have probably felt like they haven't

1978
01:40:25,907 --> 01:40:29,107
Speaker 27: one hundred percent put it all together yet. You know,

1979
01:40:29,107 --> 01:40:32,627
Speaker 27: they had some really good performances from players, but as

1980
01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:34,987
Speaker 27: a collective group, I think there's more in the tank there.

1981
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Speaker 27: So it really sets it up well for us, you know,

1982
01:40:37,347 --> 01:40:40,347
Speaker 27: the biggest game that we've got for New Zealand basketball

1983
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Speaker 27: right now and the biggest opportunity to grab a metal.

1984
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Speaker 2: You alluded to it there, jud but do you get

1985
01:40:46,467 --> 01:40:50,307
Speaker 2: a sense now that participating at FEVER events is no

1986
01:40:50,427 --> 01:40:52,827
Speaker 2: longer enough for our best players, that they have a

1987
01:40:52,907 --> 01:40:57,267
Speaker 2: realistic desire to beat teams and go deep in tournaments

1988
01:40:57,307 --> 01:40:57,507
Speaker 2: like this.

1989
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Speaker 27: Well, if I do, you know, peel back the years

1990
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Speaker 27: and go back to when we first came on the

1991
01:41:03,307 --> 01:41:05,187
Speaker 27: scene and went to that World Cup in two thousand

1992
01:41:05,227 --> 01:41:07,987
Speaker 27: and two, large part of it was actually, you know,

1993
01:41:08,027 --> 01:41:10,987
Speaker 27: we felt like we didn't know really what to expect

1994
01:41:11,627 --> 01:41:12,467
Speaker 27: the first time we went.

1995
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Speaker 8: And the beauty about it these days is that, you know, we've.

1996
01:41:16,707 --> 01:41:20,427
Speaker 27: Moved into the Asian region, so we're getting international experiences

1997
01:41:20,467 --> 01:41:24,107
Speaker 27: as fifteen year olds are qualifying for World Cups and

1998
01:41:24,387 --> 01:41:25,867
Speaker 27: they're getting this experience that.

1999
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Speaker 8: For the first time.

2000
01:41:28,547 --> 01:41:32,227
Speaker 27: And as we know, you know, like tasting a little

2001
01:41:32,227 --> 01:41:37,307
Speaker 27: bit of exposure and getting those opportunities is all growth,

2002
01:41:37,307 --> 01:41:39,587
Speaker 27: and that's what we've seen with our sports and our

2003
01:41:39,667 --> 01:41:43,867
Speaker 27: national teams, and now we're getting more more athletes and

2004
01:41:43,987 --> 01:41:46,627
Speaker 27: teams that are going as an age group team to

2005
01:41:46,747 --> 01:41:49,987
Speaker 27: World Cups. And this is only going to put you know,

2006
01:41:49,707 --> 01:41:53,267
Speaker 27: if you fast forward and look further down the track,

2007
01:41:53,307 --> 01:41:55,587
Speaker 27: it's only going to put our senior national teams and

2008
01:41:55,867 --> 01:41:59,227
Speaker 27: great positions to do something on the world stage as well.

2009
01:41:59,347 --> 01:42:04,387
Speaker 27: So it's fairly getting the exposure and you know, these

2010
01:42:04,507 --> 01:42:07,587
Speaker 27: kids are now even that they truly belong and that

2011
01:42:07,827 --> 01:42:10,547
Speaker 27: they should go into these semi finals and beat teams,

2012
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Speaker 27: and you know that that's an amazing mindset to have.

2013
01:42:13,027 --> 01:42:15,707
Speaker 27: And I think with the participation numbers that we have

2014
01:42:15,827 --> 01:42:18,107
Speaker 27: coming through. I made a comment the other day on

2015
01:42:18,147 --> 01:42:20,747
Speaker 27: an interview and just talked about the participation numbers just

2016
01:42:20,787 --> 01:42:24,067
Speaker 27: being huge. We actually have more participants than what we

2017
01:42:24,107 --> 01:42:26,707
Speaker 27: do have basketball hoops, and you know, these boys still

2018
01:42:26,747 --> 01:42:29,667
Speaker 27: have to pay thousands of dollars to get to these opportunities.

2019
01:42:29,667 --> 01:42:32,387
Speaker 27: So somewhere along the lines we actually you know, there

2020
01:42:32,387 --> 01:42:35,187
Speaker 27: may be more players there that are missing out, but yeah,

2021
01:42:35,227 --> 01:42:36,147
Speaker 27: the future is bright.

2022
01:42:36,787 --> 01:42:40,627
Speaker 2: How much has playing in our National Basketball League and

2023
01:42:40,707 --> 01:42:44,987
Speaker 2: particularly the new innovation the Rapid League helped to develop

2024
01:42:45,027 --> 01:42:45,867
Speaker 2: these young players.

2025
01:42:47,427 --> 01:42:51,227
Speaker 27: I'm glad you brought that up because you know, Justin Nelson,

2026
01:42:51,307 --> 01:42:54,427
Speaker 27: who you know, is an Australian and you know, we

2027
01:42:54,867 --> 01:42:57,267
Speaker 27: like to sort of take all the credit or ourselves

2028
01:42:57,307 --> 01:42:59,907
Speaker 27: as News Islanders, but look, we've got to pay this

2029
01:43:00,027 --> 01:43:03,147
Speaker 27: man some respect because he brought in a new concept

2030
01:43:03,187 --> 01:43:09,347
Speaker 27: that probably wasn't you know, gets brought in by everybody

2031
01:43:09,387 --> 01:43:11,387
Speaker 27: straight away when you have a new concept that comes

2032
01:43:11,427 --> 01:43:14,747
Speaker 27: in and look, we're three years I think it's three

2033
01:43:14,827 --> 01:43:17,067
Speaker 27: years deep into it and we've seen.

2034
01:43:16,867 --> 01:43:19,627
Speaker 8: The results these all of these boys, I think all.

2035
01:43:19,507 --> 01:43:23,147
Speaker 27: But two have played in Rapid League and they would

2036
01:43:23,187 --> 01:43:26,787
Speaker 27: have started that two years ago and seen them on

2037
01:43:26,787 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 27: the basketball court and being able to mix it with

2038
01:43:29,267 --> 01:43:31,227
Speaker 27: the you know, with grown men so they're not just

2039
01:43:31,227 --> 01:43:33,507
Speaker 27: playing against guys their own age group. They're playing against

2040
01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:36,827
Speaker 27: thirty year olds. And these thirty year olds are fully professional,

2041
01:43:37,667 --> 01:43:41,067
Speaker 27: some are semi professional. And but you've got you know,

2042
01:43:41,107 --> 01:43:43,747
Speaker 27: American and Boards playing in there. You've got Jill and

2043
01:43:43,827 --> 01:43:46,827
Speaker 27: Tourbacks that play in that league. You've got guys that

2044
01:43:46,867 --> 01:43:49,827
Speaker 27: are playing in the Australian NBL, Aussie Boomers, and these

2045
01:43:49,867 --> 01:43:53,027
Speaker 27: guys have you know, I guess, been battled, hardened and

2046
01:43:53,467 --> 01:43:55,627
Speaker 27: tested on a week to week basis.

2047
01:43:55,667 --> 01:44:00,827
Speaker 8: So we unfortunately don't have a central academy.

2048
01:44:00,627 --> 01:44:03,787
Speaker 27: Or these these high performance hubs that were able to

2049
01:44:04,067 --> 01:44:06,347
Speaker 27: you know, collect these guys altogether. So the next best

2050
01:44:06,387 --> 01:44:09,347
Speaker 27: thing we have though may just even be better when

2051
01:44:09,467 --> 01:44:12,987
Speaker 27: they are able to have mixed in their environment. They're

2052
01:44:13,027 --> 01:44:15,707
Speaker 27: training daily, training environment with a lot of these grown men,

2053
01:44:15,747 --> 01:44:18,747
Speaker 27: and that's just fast tracked these guys' development and confidence.

2054
01:44:18,787 --> 01:44:21,667
Speaker 8: And you see them when they play that you know,

2055
01:44:21,747 --> 01:44:22,707
Speaker 8: maybe except.

2056
01:44:22,387 --> 01:44:25,187
Speaker 27: For this morning against the US, the might of the USA,

2057
01:44:25,347 --> 01:44:27,747
Speaker 27: which is, as we know, the basketball nation of the world.

2058
01:44:29,307 --> 01:44:32,387
Speaker 27: But besides that, you know, this team has they come into,

2059
01:44:32,507 --> 01:44:35,427
Speaker 27: like I said, the expectation that they can take down anybody.

2060
01:44:35,467 --> 01:44:37,467
Speaker 2: By my count and you're about to correct me here,

2061
01:44:37,587 --> 01:44:40,067
Speaker 2: six of this on the nineteen side have already played

2062
01:44:40,067 --> 01:44:43,507
Speaker 2: for the senior Tollbacks. How do you know if a

2063
01:44:43,547 --> 01:44:45,547
Speaker 2: young player is ready for that step?

2064
01:44:47,187 --> 01:44:49,587
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I mean since since been.

2065
01:44:49,787 --> 01:44:52,547
Speaker 27: I guess I've been eight nine months into the role

2066
01:44:52,587 --> 01:44:53,667
Speaker 27: of the tour Backs head coach.

2067
01:44:53,827 --> 01:44:56,307
Speaker 8: And a huge focal point for me.

2068
01:44:56,627 --> 01:44:59,587
Speaker 27: Was, you know, like I'm a I'm a New Zealand

2069
01:44:59,947 --> 01:45:01,947
Speaker 27: through and through, and I was a New Zealand junior

2070
01:45:01,947 --> 01:45:04,227
Speaker 27: player too coming through and I got to play for

2071
01:45:04,227 --> 01:45:06,827
Speaker 27: the tour Backs, you know, not at the age, not

2072
01:45:06,867 --> 01:45:09,947
Speaker 27: at a super young age, but you could just see

2073
01:45:09,987 --> 01:45:12,387
Speaker 27: the moments and what it does for people when you

2074
01:45:12,427 --> 01:45:14,827
Speaker 27: when you're able to give them that experience and exposure.

2075
01:45:15,347 --> 01:45:17,827
Speaker 27: I guess we're saying these words are a lot as

2076
01:45:17,827 --> 01:45:20,387
Speaker 27: I'm doing this interview, but and that's.

2077
01:45:20,187 --> 01:45:20,907
Speaker 8: What it's all about.

2078
01:45:20,987 --> 01:45:24,387
Speaker 27: So we you know, you don't one hundred percent know

2079
01:45:24,787 --> 01:45:28,667
Speaker 27: if that's going to be something that's you know, the

2080
01:45:28,707 --> 01:45:33,427
Speaker 27: athlete is going to take on and you know really

2081
01:45:33,907 --> 01:45:35,947
Speaker 27: whether it's going to be embraced or not. But you

2082
01:45:36,427 --> 01:45:39,347
Speaker 27: give the opportunity, and there's so much to win by

2083
01:45:39,867 --> 01:45:44,507
Speaker 27: offering a youngster that has talent or has a special

2084
01:45:45,187 --> 01:45:50,467
Speaker 27: set of skills or character attributes. Then you know, both

2085
01:45:51,187 --> 01:45:54,107
Speaker 27: integrating them into the Tall Blacks, I think we are

2086
01:45:54,867 --> 01:45:57,747
Speaker 27: fast tracking their development and also that these guys really

2087
01:45:57,747 --> 01:46:00,227
Speaker 27: build a strong connection for it. And a lot of

2088
01:46:00,227 --> 01:46:01,747
Speaker 27: these guys are going to go to college, and a

2089
01:46:01,787 --> 01:46:03,947
Speaker 27: couple of guys have already been there, but you know

2090
01:46:03,947 --> 01:46:04,987
Speaker 27: a lot of these guys are going to be in

2091
01:46:05,027 --> 01:46:07,507
Speaker 27: college and for the next four or five years, and

2092
01:46:08,147 --> 01:46:09,947
Speaker 27: you know they're going to spend a lot of time

2093
01:46:09,987 --> 01:46:11,787
Speaker 27: away from home. So while they're at home, you know,

2094
01:46:12,027 --> 01:46:15,827
Speaker 27: part of my I guess philosophy has been to try.

2095
01:46:15,627 --> 01:46:17,787
Speaker 8: To integrate them as early as we can.

2096
01:46:17,827 --> 01:46:20,587
Speaker 27: And that's not just you know, putting them into We

2097
01:46:20,667 --> 01:46:23,027
Speaker 27: still want to put them into positions to be successful.

2098
01:46:23,067 --> 01:46:26,627
Speaker 27: So we'll always take one or two. The last series

2099
01:46:26,627 --> 01:46:30,347
Speaker 27: that we had against Trans Tasman against the Australian series,

2100
01:46:30,507 --> 01:46:33,587
Speaker 27: you know we had I think we had four of them,

2101
01:46:33,627 --> 01:46:39,027
Speaker 27: you know, Oscar, Julius, Jackson and Tumma all four of them.

2102
01:46:39,107 --> 01:46:41,227
Speaker 27: So you know, we were super young. But they got

2103
01:46:41,267 --> 01:46:43,907
Speaker 27: to beat Australia, you know, Game three in Hamilton, So

2104
01:46:44,507 --> 01:46:47,987
Speaker 27: they're picking up all of these opportunities and man, you know,

2105
01:46:48,107 --> 01:46:50,707
Speaker 27: I think that's that's the recipe that we need for

2106
01:46:51,147 --> 01:46:54,267
Speaker 27: the success of our basketball, for the men's program.

2107
01:46:54,707 --> 01:46:56,587
Speaker 2: That two thousand and two side that you were a

2108
01:46:56,587 --> 01:46:59,507
Speaker 2: part of was something of a golden generation. You look

2109
01:46:59,507 --> 01:47:02,507
Speaker 2: at the names on that roster. Phil Jones, Kirk Pennepet,

2110
01:47:02,627 --> 01:47:05,267
Speaker 2: Cameron Dylan Boucher was in that team, Sean Marks might Tickle,

2111
01:47:05,587 --> 01:47:09,867
Speaker 2: Pauli Hannati and others. Do you seen such similar side

2112
01:47:10,107 --> 01:47:10,747
Speaker 2: building here?

2113
01:47:13,627 --> 01:47:16,387
Speaker 27: I think that's that's been a lot of the talk

2114
01:47:16,507 --> 01:47:19,107
Speaker 27: around the around the country, and a lot of people

2115
01:47:19,187 --> 01:47:22,867
Speaker 27: refer back to that Golden generation, which did a lot

2116
01:47:22,907 --> 01:47:25,267
Speaker 27: of things on the international stage, and you know that

2117
01:47:25,467 --> 01:47:27,387
Speaker 27: that seem if we go back, you know, like I said,

2118
01:47:27,467 --> 01:47:30,667
Speaker 27: we didn't really know what to expect on the international stage.

2119
01:47:30,707 --> 01:47:32,507
Speaker 27: We kind of just you know, once we took down

2120
01:47:32,507 --> 01:47:35,027
Speaker 27: the Aussies, we got put into the World Cup, and

2121
01:47:35,107 --> 01:47:37,107
Speaker 27: we didn't really truly know what, you know, how good

2122
01:47:37,147 --> 01:47:40,427
Speaker 27: were we We didn't have much experience back then, but

2123
01:47:40,507 --> 01:47:41,907
Speaker 27: we knew that we could be good. We were a

2124
01:47:41,987 --> 01:47:46,027
Speaker 27: type group that coming together and obviously with a lot

2125
01:47:46,067 --> 01:47:48,827
Speaker 27: of talent, with certain guys and their roles, and it's

2126
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Speaker 27: I think when we talk about this group and these

2127
01:47:52,187 --> 01:47:55,747
Speaker 27: names that are currently at the Under nineteen World Cup,

2128
01:47:56,667 --> 01:47:58,547
Speaker 27: these will definitely be names that we talk about for

2129
01:47:58,667 --> 01:48:01,027
Speaker 27: a long time and certainly with the national program. But

2130
01:48:02,067 --> 01:48:03,907
Speaker 27: I think the beauty of it is that these guys

2131
01:48:04,027 --> 01:48:09,067
Speaker 27: already at seventeen eighteen years old, know and realize just

2132
01:48:09,147 --> 01:48:09,787
Speaker 27: how good.

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01:48:09,987 --> 01:48:12,547
Speaker 8: They can be and that they are, and that's, uh.

2134
01:48:12,907 --> 01:48:14,867
Speaker 27: You know, hopefully that that drives them even more to

2135
01:48:15,427 --> 01:48:16,947
Speaker 27: when they come together and put the you know, this

2136
01:48:17,067 --> 01:48:18,787
Speaker 27: is the last age group team for them, and the

2137
01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:20,027
Speaker 27: next national team.

2138
01:48:19,867 --> 01:48:21,067
Speaker 8: For them is going to be the tourbacks.

2139
01:48:21,107 --> 01:48:23,867
Speaker 27: But when they come together to that environment, you know,

2140
01:48:24,067 --> 01:48:27,987
Speaker 27: they're they're just you know, all guns blazing and steam

2141
01:48:28,067 --> 01:48:30,347
Speaker 27: rolling over top of because that's what they expect. And

2142
01:48:30,627 --> 01:48:33,867
Speaker 27: that's I think the beauty about this is these guys

2143
01:48:33,907 --> 01:48:36,467
Speaker 27: are seems success now and hopefully this is just going

2144
01:48:36,507 --> 01:48:37,307
Speaker 27: to drive it even more.

2145
01:48:37,547 --> 01:48:40,387
Speaker 2: I asked coach Matt Lacy this on the show yesterday,

2146
01:48:40,707 --> 01:48:43,587
Speaker 2: Hayden Jones, son of Phil, of course, you reckon he

2147
01:48:43,627 --> 01:48:44,867
Speaker 2: could be even better than old men.

2148
01:48:47,547 --> 01:48:49,747
Speaker 27: Well, I mean that's a that's a day I played

2149
01:48:49,787 --> 01:48:52,027
Speaker 27: with Phil and he's a world class shoo that. Look,

2150
01:48:52,227 --> 01:48:54,427
Speaker 27: I think they're different, but look that you can put

2151
01:48:54,467 --> 01:48:57,187
Speaker 27: them into the same mix as far as like their

2152
01:48:57,227 --> 01:49:00,347
Speaker 27: contribution to their teams. And you know, Hayden's are very

2153
01:49:00,907 --> 01:49:04,627
Speaker 27: you know, he's got some similarities there and and I think,

2154
01:49:05,347 --> 01:49:07,267
Speaker 27: you know, I don't want to do that's to feel

2155
01:49:07,467 --> 01:49:10,347
Speaker 27: author Hayden. But look, let them be the best versions

2156
01:49:10,387 --> 01:49:12,747
Speaker 27: of themselves. But you're talking about two very very good

2157
01:49:12,787 --> 01:49:13,987
Speaker 27: basketball players for sure.

2158
01:49:13,907 --> 01:49:16,347
Speaker 2: And just to finish John Slovenia, how do you write

2159
01:49:16,387 --> 01:49:19,587
Speaker 2: our chances against them and the possibility of a third place.

2160
01:49:19,387 --> 01:49:19,867
Speaker 14: For this year?

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01:49:21,387 --> 01:49:23,627
Speaker 27: Yeah, Look, that's one team I don't know so much about.

2162
01:49:23,707 --> 01:49:26,787
Speaker 27: I remember seeing them play one game during the tournament.

2163
01:49:26,827 --> 01:49:29,467
Speaker 27: I can't remember because I've been watching so many games.

2164
01:49:29,547 --> 01:49:33,947
Speaker 27: And look, I do feel and it's the US. It

2165
01:49:34,067 --> 01:49:37,587
Speaker 27: was a tricky team because they're just's just a different

2166
01:49:37,667 --> 01:49:40,707
Speaker 27: type of athlete and it's hard to prepare for. But

2167
01:49:41,427 --> 01:49:42,947
Speaker 27: the way that we've played against a lot of the

2168
01:49:43,187 --> 01:49:46,267
Speaker 27: other international teams, Yeah, I really like our chances and

2169
01:49:46,427 --> 01:49:50,387
Speaker 27: I think they will be feeling very confident. Look, but

2170
01:49:50,787 --> 01:49:52,667
Speaker 27: the one thing is, you know, if we go back

2171
01:49:52,667 --> 01:49:54,867
Speaker 27: to two thousand and two when we lost our semi final,

2172
01:49:54,947 --> 01:49:58,467
Speaker 27: we walked into that bronze medal match, not mentally ready

2173
01:49:58,667 --> 01:50:02,187
Speaker 27: we were still you know, sort of down and low on.

2174
01:50:03,027 --> 01:50:08,067
Speaker 27: I guess the result from the night before. This team

2175
01:50:08,147 --> 01:50:10,467
Speaker 27: here right now has a very special moment in front

2176
01:50:10,467 --> 01:50:12,187
Speaker 27: of them and to be able to take away a

2177
01:50:12,307 --> 01:50:15,907
Speaker 27: medal from a World Cup. So I'm sure the coaching

2178
01:50:15,947 --> 01:50:18,027
Speaker 27: staff Met Lacey will have the boys fizzing for this

2179
01:50:18,147 --> 01:50:20,867
Speaker 27: one and truly believing that they can get the job done.

2180
01:50:20,907 --> 01:50:24,987
Speaker 27: And yeah, but from the backseat here looking, yeah, definitely

2181
01:50:25,027 --> 01:50:27,547
Speaker 27: I like our chances. And yeah, I think this time

2182
01:50:27,587 --> 01:50:31,467
Speaker 27: tomorrow we could be talking about the best moment of

2183
01:50:31,547 --> 01:50:32,387
Speaker 27: the young basketball.

2184
01:50:32,747 --> 01:50:34,827
Speaker 2: Very exciting times for the game here, jud thanks so

2185
01:50:34,907 --> 01:50:37,387
Speaker 2: much for your time, mate, Really enjoyed chatting. Jeer Sasin,

2186
01:50:37,507 --> 01:50:40,147
Speaker 2: thank you, No, thank you, Jude Judd Fable, then coach

2187
01:50:40,187 --> 01:50:43,307
Speaker 2: of the Tall Blacks. So the New Zealand under nineteen

2188
01:50:43,547 --> 01:50:46,627
Speaker 2: side went down one hundred and twenty to sixty four

2189
01:50:46,987 --> 01:50:49,187
Speaker 2: to the United States. So look, I don't think there's

2190
01:50:49,387 --> 01:50:52,067
Speaker 2: any disgrace in losing to the United States in the

2191
01:50:52,107 --> 01:50:55,347
Speaker 2: game of basketball, regardless of the gender, the age, or

2192
01:50:55,547 --> 01:50:58,267
Speaker 2: the level. It feeds them into the third and fourth

2193
01:50:58,347 --> 01:51:01,307
Speaker 2: place match against Slovenia and our Slovenia went down to

2194
01:51:01,427 --> 01:51:05,387
Speaker 2: Germany in the other semi final eighty four seventy two,

2195
01:51:05,827 --> 01:51:08,107
Speaker 2: and running a bit of an eye over Slovenia's scores

2196
01:51:08,307 --> 01:51:11,147
Speaker 2: at this tournament. It's not like they've really set the

2197
01:51:11,227 --> 01:51:14,227
Speaker 2: world on fire. I think New Zealand are a chance,

2198
01:51:14,227 --> 01:51:18,307
Speaker 2: an absolute chance here to achieve the first ever podium

2199
01:51:18,427 --> 01:51:22,787
Speaker 2: finish by a New Zealand basketball team at a feb event,

2200
01:51:22,947 --> 01:51:26,547
Speaker 2: male or female. Three o'clock tomorrow morning. That's not very

2201
01:51:26,627 --> 01:51:29,227
Speaker 2: civilized time to get up, is it. Although I guess

2202
01:51:29,547 --> 01:51:33,267
Speaker 2: we might be up and about watching the Formula One

2203
01:51:33,307 --> 01:51:35,587
Speaker 2: Grand Prix at around about the same time, so I

2204
01:51:35,627 --> 01:51:36,907
Speaker 2: guess if you're going to be up, you might as

2205
01:51:36,947 --> 01:51:39,027
Speaker 2: well have a look at a bit of sport. So

2206
01:51:39,227 --> 01:51:41,907
Speaker 2: three o'clock tomorrow morning is tip off between New Zealand

2207
01:51:41,947 --> 01:51:44,907
Speaker 2: and Slovenia in the third and fourth place playoff at

2208
01:51:44,947 --> 01:51:48,627
Speaker 2: the FEB Under nineteen World Cup. Just updating you on

2209
01:51:48,707 --> 01:51:51,187
Speaker 2: some live sport before we take a break. The Roosters

2210
01:51:51,307 --> 01:51:53,547
Speaker 2: women have scored a couple of tries in the last

2211
01:51:53,907 --> 01:51:56,747
Speaker 2: ten minutes of the first half to extend out to

2212
01:51:56,947 --> 01:52:00,747
Speaker 2: eighteen points to six eighteen points to six at halftime

2213
01:52:00,787 --> 01:52:04,747
Speaker 2: over the Warriors women in their return to the NRLW.

2214
01:52:05,547 --> 01:52:07,067
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. When we come back, we go

2215
01:52:07,147 --> 01:52:11,107
Speaker 2: state side. Leon Busby updating us on all things American Sport.

2216
01:52:11,587 --> 01:52:15,307
Speaker 1: The tough Questions off the Turf, Weekend Sport with Jason

2217
01:52:15,347 --> 01:52:19,747
Speaker 1: Tyne and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

2218
01:52:19,627 --> 01:52:22,867
Speaker 2: TALKSB, News Talks HEB. Don't forget that we are the

2219
01:52:22,987 --> 01:52:26,507
Speaker 2: home of the All Blacks and twenty twenty five. So

2220
01:52:26,747 --> 01:52:30,107
Speaker 2: after last night's First Test in Dunedin, we're off to

2221
01:52:30,227 --> 01:52:33,587
Speaker 2: Wellington next weekend for Test two, Sky Stadium next Saturday

2222
01:52:33,667 --> 01:52:36,667
Speaker 2: night five past seven, and then the following week it

2223
01:52:36,827 --> 01:52:40,387
Speaker 2: is to Hamilton to FMG Stadium in Hamilton for the

2224
01:52:40,467 --> 01:52:43,027
Speaker 2: Third Test. Both of those test matches, in fact, pretty

2225
01:52:43,067 --> 01:52:45,307
Speaker 2: much all of the home test matches this year, kickoff

2226
01:52:45,427 --> 01:52:48,227
Speaker 2: at five past seven. Very much looking forward to bringing

2227
01:52:48,307 --> 01:52:53,307
Speaker 2: you All Black's action across twenty twenty five on News Talks,

2228
01:52:53,347 --> 01:52:55,867
Speaker 2: HITB and Weekend Sport. Though it's time to get your

2229
01:52:55,947 --> 01:52:59,387
Speaker 2: state side. Our man Lyon Busby is here, Hello, Leon.

2230
01:53:01,107 --> 01:53:04,067
Speaker 10: After Jason serve mate got a lot to hit through ray,

2231
01:53:04,107 --> 01:53:05,267
Speaker 10: so let's stump right into it.

2232
01:53:05,787 --> 01:53:09,427
Speaker 2: Let's do it made NBA. We know our champions. Okay, see,

2233
01:53:09,587 --> 01:53:13,347
Speaker 2: we're into trade season in the NBA. Couple of big ones.

2234
01:53:13,907 --> 01:53:16,507
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant first of all, from the Phoenix Suns to

2235
01:53:16,587 --> 01:53:17,587
Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets.

2236
01:53:19,507 --> 01:53:19,667
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2237
01:53:19,787 --> 01:53:23,147
Speaker 10: So KD is, as he's officially known, who's the first

2238
01:53:23,187 --> 01:53:26,107
Speaker 10: Big Domino to four. So the two time champion, two

2239
01:53:26,227 --> 01:53:29,667
Speaker 10: time finals MVP, and he's also a fifteen time All Star.

2240
01:53:29,747 --> 01:53:32,587
Speaker 10: He was traded to the Rockets, making them a genuine

2241
01:53:32,627 --> 01:53:36,227
Speaker 10: contender after finishing second in the Western season. So Durant

2242
01:53:36,267 --> 01:53:38,907
Speaker 10: adds vast experience to a youthful side who are on

2243
01:53:39,027 --> 01:53:42,107
Speaker 10: the rise. And he also joins big Q Stephen Adams,

2244
01:53:42,107 --> 01:53:44,827
Speaker 10: who began his career with Katie at OKAC back in

2245
01:53:44,907 --> 01:53:47,867
Speaker 10: twenty thirteen. So yeah, I think they're going to do

2246
01:53:48,147 --> 01:53:50,547
Speaker 10: a lot better this year, well next season anyway, the

2247
01:53:50,627 --> 01:53:52,787
Speaker 10: Eastern Rockets definitely, Okay.

2248
01:53:53,027 --> 01:53:57,747
Speaker 2: Miles Turner traded by the Indiana Pacers to the Milwaukee Bucks.

2249
01:53:59,427 --> 01:54:01,347
Speaker 10: Yes, this is a bit of a hitch scratch of

2250
01:54:01,387 --> 01:54:03,747
Speaker 10: this one. The Indiana Pacers there, so they just came

2251
01:54:03,787 --> 01:54:06,227
Speaker 10: off short in the final Digito OKC in Game seven.

2252
01:54:06,867 --> 01:54:08,747
Speaker 10: But I guess the trader was a bit of a

2253
01:54:08,787 --> 01:54:11,187
Speaker 10: shock trade because they shifted their key big man Miles

2254
01:54:11,227 --> 01:54:15,787
Speaker 10: Turner to their fierce Eastern rival Milwaukee Bucks. And if

2255
01:54:15,827 --> 01:54:18,707
Speaker 10: you missed at him with star playmaker Torres Halliburton, say

2256
01:54:18,747 --> 01:54:22,587
Speaker 10: he suffered a torn Archilly's meaning Hill miss likely most

2257
01:54:22,627 --> 01:54:24,547
Speaker 10: of the entire twenty five to twenty six seeds. And

2258
01:54:24,667 --> 01:54:27,467
Speaker 10: so yeah, there's a lot of people sort of speculating

2259
01:54:27,547 --> 01:54:30,427
Speaker 10: that with this Turner trade that they could possibly divide

2260
01:54:30,467 --> 01:54:32,427
Speaker 10: the locker room and that won't be good for the

2261
01:54:32,507 --> 01:54:33,907
Speaker 10: Indiana Paces moving forward.

2262
01:54:34,627 --> 01:54:38,467
Speaker 2: All Right, the NBA Draft, we've been keeping eyes on that.

2263
01:54:38,627 --> 01:54:41,187
Speaker 2: What were the main features from your point of view?

2264
01:54:43,067 --> 01:54:47,347
Speaker 10: Yeah, So the NBA Draft, I've got to be honest here, Piney,

2265
01:54:47,867 --> 01:54:49,947
Speaker 10: and actually it was a bit of a dudd because

2266
01:54:50,067 --> 01:54:53,267
Speaker 10: I'll tell you and I'll explain why, because everyone knew

2267
01:54:53,347 --> 01:54:55,787
Speaker 10: before and who was going to get first pick overall. Anyway,

2268
01:54:55,827 --> 01:54:58,867
Speaker 10: So the Dallas Mavericks, as expected, they signed the best

2269
01:54:58,907 --> 01:55:02,227
Speaker 10: college player, power forward Cooper Flag of Duke University to

2270
01:55:02,347 --> 01:55:05,747
Speaker 10: their roster, now the twenty twenty five national college player.

2271
01:55:05,747 --> 01:55:08,627
Speaker 10: He's a skilled two way player, has huge potential any

2272
01:55:08,707 --> 01:55:11,907
Speaker 10: degenerational player as well, So he'll make a big difference

2273
01:55:11,947 --> 01:55:14,227
Speaker 10: to the man's and they'll build their team around him. Wrong,

2274
01:55:14,307 --> 01:55:17,947
Speaker 10: tom So, as I mentioned earlier, after flag was taken

2275
01:55:17,987 --> 01:55:19,867
Speaker 10: off the board, no one should really name any of

2276
01:55:19,947 --> 01:55:23,027
Speaker 10: the other players drafted, which is a real shame because

2277
01:55:23,667 --> 01:55:25,667
Speaker 10: this is a real life changeing event for most of

2278
01:55:25,707 --> 01:55:28,907
Speaker 10: these young men in terms of providing generational wrath for them.

2279
01:55:28,987 --> 01:55:31,947
Speaker 10: And there's families who have sacrificed so much built them

2280
01:55:31,987 --> 01:55:34,507
Speaker 10: to have this opportunity. Now, Punny, I'm going to go

2281
01:55:34,547 --> 01:55:37,227
Speaker 10: on a little script here. I'm going to ask you so,

2282
01:55:37,787 --> 01:55:39,827
Speaker 10: I'm going to compare a professional sports team to a

2283
01:55:39,867 --> 01:55:42,387
Speaker 10: board game. Are you familiar with a board game called Katan?

2284
01:55:43,587 --> 01:55:46,147
Speaker 2: I've heard of it, but I don't think I've ever

2285
01:55:46,227 --> 01:55:46,587
Speaker 2: played it.

2286
01:55:47,707 --> 01:55:49,747
Speaker 10: Yeah, so aka for those of your listeners who have

2287
01:55:49,867 --> 01:55:53,307
Speaker 10: not heard of Katan, it's a hugely popular multiplayer board

2288
01:55:53,347 --> 01:55:57,307
Speaker 10: game where build where players build settlements, they trade resources,

2289
01:55:57,347 --> 01:56:00,027
Speaker 10: and they compete. They compete to reach a set number

2290
01:56:00,067 --> 01:56:03,227
Speaker 10: of VIKKUW points to win. So much like a sports

2291
01:56:03,307 --> 01:56:07,027
Speaker 10: team you're trying to construct, you have resources at you disposal, athletes,

2292
01:56:07,547 --> 01:56:11,507
Speaker 10: financial backing, sponsorship, growing your fan base, et cetera. Now,

2293
01:56:11,867 --> 01:56:14,067
Speaker 10: if we relate this to say the okay, see thunder,

2294
01:56:14,107 --> 01:56:16,827
Speaker 10: the other perfect example over the last five years their

2295
01:56:16,867 --> 01:56:20,467
Speaker 10: front office, they've moved pieces around, built up considerable resources,

2296
01:56:20,507 --> 01:56:24,467
Speaker 10: and established a foundational culture within the team environment which

2297
01:56:24,467 --> 01:56:27,987
Speaker 10: has finally brought them along over due made an NBA championship. Now,

2298
01:56:28,027 --> 01:56:30,587
Speaker 10: if we relate that example close at a home, we

2299
01:56:30,667 --> 01:56:32,987
Speaker 10: can see that the All Blacks head coach, Scott Robertson,

2300
01:56:33,267 --> 01:56:35,227
Speaker 10: he's sort of doing the same thing here with the staff.

2301
01:56:35,667 --> 01:56:37,827
Speaker 10: He's trying to build a strong team culture within the

2302
01:56:37,907 --> 01:56:41,307
Speaker 10: All Blacks, utilizing all the resources at his disposal leading

2303
01:56:41,387 --> 01:56:43,747
Speaker 10: up to the ultimate goal, which is lifting the men's

2304
01:56:43,787 --> 01:56:46,147
Speaker 10: Rugby World Cup trophy in late twenty twenty seven. So

2305
01:56:46,547 --> 01:56:48,587
Speaker 10: if we think about the results in between now and

2306
01:56:48,787 --> 01:56:51,107
Speaker 10: the Rugby World Cup, it's really the Rugby World Cup

2307
01:56:51,147 --> 01:56:51,787
Speaker 10: that matters, isn't it.

2308
01:56:51,867 --> 01:56:55,587
Speaker 2: Finding absolutely right, absolutely right? Hey, just one before we

2309
01:56:55,627 --> 01:56:59,027
Speaker 2: moved to the WNBA Shay Gilder, Alexander and the OKA

2310
01:56:59,187 --> 01:57:03,147
Speaker 2: see Oklahoma City Thunder. I see they've given him a

2311
01:57:03,387 --> 01:57:07,787
Speaker 2: record setting contract extension. Going to be not going to

2312
01:57:07,827 --> 01:57:09,667
Speaker 2: be short of a bob for a while, Leon by

2313
01:57:09,707 --> 01:57:10,187
Speaker 2: the looks of it.

2314
01:57:10,547 --> 01:57:12,867
Speaker 10: No, No, I think he'll he'll he'll be okay, Well,

2315
01:57:12,907 --> 01:57:16,827
Speaker 10: he'll get by Okay, he signed a historic four year

2316
01:57:17,267 --> 01:57:19,387
Speaker 10: So this is a two hundred and eighty five million

2317
01:57:19,467 --> 01:57:22,307
Speaker 10: what they call a supermax contract extension.

2318
01:57:22,107 --> 01:57:22,867
Speaker 19: With the Loksee.

2319
01:57:23,187 --> 01:57:24,987
Speaker 10: So it keeps him with the team through to the

2320
01:57:25,107 --> 01:57:27,947
Speaker 10: thirty thirty one season. So he'll be paid in average

2321
01:57:27,987 --> 01:57:31,387
Speaker 10: seventy one point two five million per season, making it

2322
01:57:31,467 --> 01:57:34,227
Speaker 10: the richest annual salary in NBA history. And the new

2323
01:57:34,307 --> 01:57:36,467
Speaker 10: contract kicks in for the twenty twenty seven to twenty

2324
01:57:36,547 --> 01:57:38,907
Speaker 10: eighth season. And then as we look at the past season,

2325
01:57:39,067 --> 01:57:41,787
Speaker 10: Esgar was paramount to okay See winning their first title,

2326
01:57:42,227 --> 01:57:45,067
Speaker 10: and this extension solidifies his role as a corner stand

2327
01:57:45,107 --> 01:57:48,387
Speaker 10: of the Funder franchise, reflecting the team's commitment to building

2328
01:57:48,467 --> 01:57:51,227
Speaker 10: around him as they continue to develop their roster. The

2329
01:57:51,347 --> 01:57:55,027
Speaker 10: financial commitment also indicates the Thunder's confidence in his ability

2330
01:57:55,427 --> 01:57:58,347
Speaker 10: to lead the team to future successes, especially after a

2331
01:57:58,427 --> 01:58:01,707
Speaker 10: record setting season. So, in summary, esh Year's new contract

2332
01:58:01,827 --> 01:58:04,147
Speaker 10: is a significant mass stand for both the player and

2333
01:58:04,347 --> 01:58:08,947
Speaker 10: okay See, marking a new era potential successful the franchise. Now, pony,

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Speaker 10: can I just bring up a real funny story quickly

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Speaker 10: before we go to the WNBA please? So the champion

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Speaker 10: Thunder team, they were actually the second youngest team ever

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Speaker 10: to win an NBA title. Now here's a really funny

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Speaker 10: story to this whole thing. So what happened is, as

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Speaker 10: we know, when they end up winning the championship and

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Speaker 10: the team all they go back to the locker room

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Speaker 10: and they celebrate. Now they get up the old champaign bottles. Right,

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Speaker 10: this team was so young. Fourteen of the fifteen players

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Speaker 10: had no idea how to pop corks or a champaign battle.

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Speaker 10: Most weren't even going onto YouTube and tutorials. They're thankfully

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Speaker 10: the oldest player on the team, Alex Caruso, at thirty one,

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Speaker 10: had previously won an NBA tittle, so he probably shared

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Speaker 10: the scott how to get it done.

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Speaker 9: How funny is that?

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say they weren't legally

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Speaker 2: old enough to have a sip of it, which is

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Speaker 2: probably true in some cases as well. But yeah, brilliant stuff.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the WNBA. It seems to be all

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Speaker 2: about the Indiana Fever Leon.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so earlier this week, Indiana Fever upset the defending champion,

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Speaker 10: Minnesota linked fifty nine to seventy four to win the

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Speaker 10: Commissioners Cup. So when we relate that to the NBA.

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Speaker 10: They have the NBA Cup, which is like the n

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Speaker 10: season tournament. So what's even more impressive though, was Indiana

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Speaker 10: did it without their superstar, the face of the Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 10: who's dealing with another injury, having now missed ten games

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Speaker 10: this season to sticking with the fever. Sophie Cunningham. She's

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Speaker 10: a teammate of Caitlin Clark. She's been making headlines, but

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Speaker 10: unfortunately for all the wrong reasons. So having been involved

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Speaker 10: with on court violent incidents the controversial comments on expansion

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Speaker 10: plans to eighteen teams by twenty thirty, Cunningham has become

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Speaker 10: somewhat polarizing to w NBA fans. The former Phoenix Mercury

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Speaker 10: player was traded to Indiana on January thirty one this year,

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Speaker 10: and it certainly made a presence start on and off

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Speaker 10: the court. She's productive as a two way plan seems

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Speaker 10: to be. I guess Cashing inside to speak on on

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Speaker 10: numerous social media platforms due to her actions, which many

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Speaker 10: we have a growing fan base recording Parney. I guess

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Speaker 10: it's the world we live in now that even bad news,

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Speaker 10: there is good news that people are at least talking

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Speaker 10: about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's they say that the only thing worse

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Speaker 2: than being talked about is not being talked about, or

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Speaker 2: some words to that effect. And what's up on this

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Speaker 2: Red Panda?

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Speaker 11: Come?

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Speaker 12: What's this?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I shouldn't really laugh because it was an unfortunate influence.

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Speaker 5: So yeah.

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Speaker 9: So.

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Speaker 10: One of the more usual headlines that came out this

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Speaker 10: week was the injury sustained by legendary halftime entertainer. She's

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Speaker 10: known as Red Panda, and she performed during the Commissioner's

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Speaker 10: Cup Final during the half time entertainment slog. She lost

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Speaker 10: their balances to really fractured her risk while performing. The

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Speaker 10: fifty something fourth generation acrobat and unly cycled artists been

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Speaker 10: over eleven hours in the hospital and was released to

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Speaker 10: begin her rehab expected to take a few months, but

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Speaker 10: their agency, she was grateful for all the kind bushes

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Speaker 10: and alb overwhelming support which meant the world here. After

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Speaker 10: the final ended, the Victoria's Indiana Fever team sent their

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Speaker 10: love on socral media and thoughts to the beloved Chinese

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Speaker 10: American performer. So am I sitting to another wise unforeseen

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Speaker 10: missat Deer Pony?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we wish you're all the best In her

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Speaker 2: recovery and finally to the NFL, which is not far

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Speaker 2: away from starting. I know you're looking forward to this,

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Speaker 2: as am I A major signing in college though, that

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Speaker 2: you've got to tell us about.

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Speaker 10: Yes, So there was a young offensive tackle. His name's

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Speaker 10: Dudix Ojo, so he made headlines this week. So he's

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Speaker 10: what they call a five star recruit from Texas and

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Speaker 10: he's entering his senior year at a high school. So

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Speaker 10: he's still in high school, but he committed to a

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Speaker 10: fully guaranteed three year contract with the Texas Tech University

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Speaker 10: at worth over five million dollars. Now they're highly sought

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Speaker 10: after six foot seven, one hundred and thirty kilgram recruits.

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Speaker 10: Signed the contract just days ago on his seventeenth birthday.

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Speaker 8: So, as I've mentioned.

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Speaker 10: Before, the sporting landscape in American college sports has totally

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02:02:01,947 --> 02:02:05,147
Speaker 10: changed since NIL, which is named Image and Likeness, the

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Speaker 10: transfer portal, and more recently the federal courts allowing colleges

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Speaker 10: to directly pay their athletes to the historical and there's

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Speaker 10: alone no limit to what these student athletes can now win.

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Speaker 10: So the money being thrown around is real, crazy, Piney,

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Speaker 10: but I feel it's a positive as the NC double A,

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Speaker 10: once considered a titan in college sports, it's really weakened

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Speaker 10: with the PowerShift to the colleges. Now oh one other

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Speaker 10: things you alluded to as role that the best news

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Speaker 10: is at college football and the NFL regular season kicks

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Speaker 10: off from only sixty days time. Life doesn't get any

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Speaker 10: bit of their pining.

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Speaker 2: I know you've got to love on you all, Leon,

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Speaker 2: you're talking off the days. We'll talk to you as

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Speaker 2: it draws closer the NFL season in early August. Always

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Speaker 2: good to get the state side lowdown from you, Leon Busby,

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Speaker 2: our American sport expert here on Weekend Sport, coming up

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Speaker 2: eight away from three.

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Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fail

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pin News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Mb Fie and that is us on Weekend Sport for

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Speaker 2: today and in fact for the weekend. It's been a

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Speaker 2: great pleasure bringing you the shows this weekend from Dunedin.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually quite sad to leave the place. I love

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Speaker 2: it down here and I sincerely hope that they see

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02:03:19,347 --> 02:03:22,027
Speaker 2: sense the powers that be and continue to give test

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Speaker 2: matches to Dunedin even when christ Church's brand new stadium arrives.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a place for July test matches here in Dunedin.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks to any McDonald for producing across the weekend,

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Speaker 2: pulling together two great shows. Thanks mate. We'll reconvene tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night for Monday Night Sports talk of course, including Piney's

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Speaker 2: Power rankings. As we rake the weekend, Andrew Dickens is

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Speaker 2: on your radio after three o'clock with the Weekend Collective

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Speaker 2: and in terms of a song to take us out, well,

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Speaker 2: we've been in Dunedin where there's a stadium with a

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Speaker 2: roof on it, so up on the roof from the

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Speaker 2: drifters taking us out today seen tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: And I keep telling you.

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Speaker 1: Right, smack Dad in the middle of abal barrel les,

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Speaker 1: trouble through.

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Speaker 2: And him will start getting down.

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Speaker 4: Let up for.

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Speaker 7: A border.

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Speaker 1: A bordery. For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine,

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Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks it be weekends from midday

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Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.