WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 200: Marking the Black Caps' performances 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk set B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.373 --> 0:00:16.173 iHeart Radio. 0:00:19.293 --> 0:00:26.973 Take it, It's it is out, The Test is over. Goodness, 0:00:27.093 --> 0:00:30.933 make a beauty, It is out and hearing guys. 0:00:31.013 --> 0:00:33.453 Just delivery has in un used to Bowl. 0:00:35.693 --> 0:00:39.093 On the Front Foot with Brian Wodell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:39.373 --> 0:00:45.933 powered by News Talk sad B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:48.093 --> 0:00:51.893 Hello, pre Christmas on the front Foot. The Black Cats 0:00:51.933 --> 0:00:54.573 save the best to the last, but it's only a 0:00:54.613 --> 0:00:58.893 consolation win the World Test Championship and the season's success 0:00:59.013 --> 0:01:02.213 has gone lost two to one two England. Why does 0:01:02.293 --> 0:01:05.173 it take so long to play the quality cricket they did? 0:01:05.573 --> 0:01:06.373 In three? 0:01:06.613 --> 0:01:10.293 The third Test, Santa wins the top whiteful job and 0:01:10.413 --> 0:01:13.253 we've got some on the Front Foot awards to make 0:01:13.413 --> 0:01:17.733 from the twelve Test matches. Test match is over, Jerry, 0:01:17.733 --> 0:01:20.693 the season's gone. It's not even Christmas and we've got 0:01:20.693 --> 0:01:23.533 no more tests for about six months. It's a bit hollow, 0:01:23.573 --> 0:01:25.733 isn't it when you say goodbye to Test cricket and 0:01:25.773 --> 0:01:26.933 you're only left with short. 0:01:26.693 --> 0:01:29.333 Format weird years, isn't it? 0:01:29.933 --> 0:01:30.133 You know? 0:01:30.253 --> 0:01:30.733 Personally? 0:01:30.773 --> 0:01:33.813 I like the stuff after Christmas because better weather and 0:01:34.373 --> 0:01:36.773 the pictures are a little bit better, and I think 0:01:36.813 --> 0:01:39.453 the whole thing feels much more cricket ye if you like, 0:01:40.093 --> 0:01:43.733 rather than prior to Christmas. But I don't know whether 0:01:43.773 --> 0:01:45.973 it's just happened this way this season. I hope it's 0:01:45.973 --> 0:01:47.333 not going to happen this way in the future. 0:01:47.373 --> 0:01:50.933 All the time, Garth, you'll be having some season greetings, 0:01:50.973 --> 0:01:55.213 I'm sure, and celebrating the festive season that a traditionalist 0:01:55.333 --> 0:01:57.773 like you would be sad to see the Test season 0:01:57.813 --> 0:01:59.973 come to end and we've got to wait for July 0:02:00.493 --> 0:02:03.533 to see New Zealand and zim Barbe. As I understand. 0:02:03.213 --> 0:02:06.133 It, it was such an odd feeling, wasn't it, watching 0:02:06.173 --> 0:02:10.293 that Third Test in Hamilton and thinking it, you know, 0:02:10.293 --> 0:02:12.093 it felt like the season's over. And I know that 0:02:12.093 --> 0:02:14.213 we've got white ball cricket, as you've touched on, but 0:02:14.253 --> 0:02:18.333 it doesn't feel the same. And I feel like, yeah, 0:02:18.413 --> 0:02:20.613 you know, the Christmas has gone come and gone already. 0:02:21.053 --> 0:02:24.093 Because I think for all of us cricket lovers, the 0:02:24.133 --> 0:02:26.213 Test crickets and stuff we love, we don't mind having 0:02:26.253 --> 0:02:28.613 games before Christmas, but we prefer to have a few 0:02:28.613 --> 0:02:31.613 more afterwards as well. So I mean I wonder is 0:02:31.613 --> 0:02:33.773 it designed so that it fits in with the World 0:02:33.773 --> 0:02:34.653 Test Championship. 0:02:34.693 --> 0:02:35.413 I don't know. 0:02:35.973 --> 0:02:37.973 It seems it's a bit of a shame. And I 0:02:38.253 --> 0:02:41.613 guess what's the other thing in Jerry that occurs to me? 0:02:41.893 --> 0:02:44.653 You know, the next Test is six months seven eight 0:02:44.693 --> 0:02:48.453 months away in Zimbabwe, and if we'd moved into a 0:02:48.493 --> 0:02:52.093 new series into February and March, you know, I think 0:02:52.093 --> 0:02:55.133 this side would be forced to make changes, and hopefully 0:02:55.133 --> 0:02:58.973 in Zimbabwe they will, but it just feels like it's. 0:02:58.813 --> 0:03:00.053 Such a long way away. 0:03:00.733 --> 0:03:03.093 I'm not sure what's going to happen, if that makes sense, 0:03:03.573 --> 0:03:06.173 but I hope there's a lot of reflection and a 0:03:06.293 --> 0:03:10.013 desire to have us success plan in place, albeit too 0:03:10.133 --> 0:03:10.973 late in my view. 0:03:11.933 --> 0:03:15.493 Well, Jerry, the interesting thing is that Tim Southy has 0:03:15.613 --> 0:03:18.093 had a grand fall well Sadly, Trent Bolt never got 0:03:18.093 --> 0:03:22.973 one when he left the Test Match Arena, nor Wagner 0:03:25.293 --> 0:03:29.813 he got a press conference in Wellington though I had 0:03:29.853 --> 0:03:34.093 a few tears. But we hear murmurings that Test match 0:03:34.133 --> 0:03:39.933 cricket maybe over for Cain Williamson and no confirmation of that. 0:03:40.093 --> 0:03:43.493 But those were strong rumors coming out of Hamilton, weren't 0:03:43.493 --> 0:03:44.333 they I'm. 0:03:44.173 --> 0:03:47.253 Not about strong, but certainly I did hear them, Brian, 0:03:48.733 --> 0:03:51.653 and let's hope that they're not true just yet, because 0:03:52.093 --> 0:03:55.053 we saw the way that he played in Hamilton, and 0:03:55.133 --> 0:03:58.333 he still adds a hell of a lot to the 0:03:58.373 --> 0:04:01.013 New Zealand batting lineup, doesn't he. In fact, if you 0:04:01.093 --> 0:04:07.253 looked at the bowlers and perhaps the who are available 0:04:07.333 --> 0:04:10.573 at the moment, Henry and o'rourck's been outstanding this year, 0:04:10.613 --> 0:04:15.093 hasn't he, but Sears and Smith to add to those two, 0:04:15.213 --> 0:04:19.053 We've suddenly got something of a seam bowling department, haven't we. 0:04:19.053 --> 0:04:20.933 We're bouncing a bit of pace and a wee bit 0:04:20.973 --> 0:04:21.333 of swing. 0:04:21.853 --> 0:04:26.173 So it's the batting actually that we've got to start 0:04:26.213 --> 0:04:27.493 to think about and look about. 0:04:27.533 --> 0:04:27.693 Now. 0:04:28.293 --> 0:04:31.213 If it's Williamson, the king of. 0:04:31.173 --> 0:04:34.613 Our batting, who has been for some time now, thirty 0:04:34.653 --> 0:04:39.373 three tests centuries, look, I would hate to think what's 0:04:39.413 --> 0:04:41.453 going to happen, to be honest, for a wee while 0:04:41.773 --> 0:04:44.933 it's it's, as you've already said, long time before the 0:04:44.973 --> 0:04:47.613 next next meal, isn't it the next Test meal? 0:04:48.693 --> 0:04:52.773 Yeah? I wonder Garth. With the difference in the Test matches, 0:04:52.813 --> 0:04:55.973 we lost the two heavily, and then we beat England 0:04:56.253 --> 0:05:00.533 just as heavily. The difference was Williamson scored Harry Brooke 0:05:00.693 --> 0:05:04.253 didn't or was it bigger than that? What's the difference 0:05:04.493 --> 0:05:07.213 between the two heavy defeats and the one strong win? 0:05:08.333 --> 0:05:09.413 Good question was I think? 0:05:09.853 --> 0:05:12.693 I mean the first Test in christ Church and you 0:05:12.733 --> 0:05:16.173 know everyone observing will have seen the fielding, and that 0:05:16.333 --> 0:05:19.013 really did feel like the difference between the two sides. 0:05:19.933 --> 0:05:25.693 New Zealand's fielding was catastrophically bad, really and Brooke was 0:05:25.773 --> 0:05:28.653 dropped five times. The first time he was dropped he 0:05:28.693 --> 0:05:31.053 was on seventeen. He was then dropped in the forties 0:05:31.093 --> 0:05:35.013 and in the in the eighties, and had that catch, 0:05:35.293 --> 0:05:37.733 had that first catch been taken, all the second one, 0:05:38.173 --> 0:05:40.773 all the third one, things could have been very different. 0:05:41.573 --> 0:05:46.293 So I I saw that as being series defining in 0:05:46.333 --> 0:05:49.413 a way. And I think fielding has been an issue 0:05:49.453 --> 0:05:52.333 for this side. They've always prided themselves on their catching, 0:05:53.333 --> 0:05:56.173 but I've just felt in the last twelve months or 0:05:56.213 --> 0:05:59.813 so that the catching hasn't been as good as it 0:05:59.853 --> 0:06:03.413 has been in previous seasons. I mean, the Second Test 0:06:03.573 --> 0:06:06.933 was a whitewash, an absolute bath for New Zealand at 0:06:06.933 --> 0:06:10.973 the Basin Reserve. You know, New Zealand were very poor. 0:06:11.013 --> 0:06:14.573 They batted eighty nine overs and two innings from memory 0:06:15.333 --> 0:06:19.293 and never really got into the game again. You know, 0:06:19.373 --> 0:06:22.373 some I think that the selection of Saldi for the 0:06:22.413 --> 0:06:25.893 first two tests and all three really was a curiosity, 0:06:26.413 --> 0:06:28.853 some real issues with not bringing young in when I 0:06:28.893 --> 0:06:31.053 think many of us thought that he should have played 0:06:31.093 --> 0:06:34.253 in the first Test. And then I guess in Hamilton, 0:06:34.533 --> 0:06:36.053 you know, you don't want to be too unfit in 0:06:36.053 --> 0:06:38.733 New Zealand because they they murdered England. 0:06:38.893 --> 0:06:41.573 But I just felt that England were on the plane home. 0:06:42.853 --> 0:06:46.773 And so you know, it just felt like they were off. 0:06:47.093 --> 0:06:48.853 Yes, Brooke failed. 0:06:49.173 --> 0:06:51.773 You know, I thought, for me, possibly the most significant 0:06:51.773 --> 0:06:54.973 thing to come out of that match was the absolute 0:06:55.493 --> 0:06:59.613 the superb fast bowling of O'Rourke. He was hostile and 0:06:59.693 --> 0:07:04.613 Brock faced seven balls in two innings and he got 0:07:04.653 --> 0:07:07.853 on both times. O' rourke Brook's number one in the world, 0:07:08.493 --> 0:07:11.853 number two, and I thought I Rock had it over 0:07:11.933 --> 0:07:12.773 both of them. 0:07:13.093 --> 0:07:14.933 You know, it was it was a. 0:07:14.573 --> 0:07:17.373 Really exciting to see a New Zealand bowler bowling at 0:07:17.413 --> 0:07:20.253 one hundred and fifty k's plus and Brock did not 0:07:20.613 --> 0:07:23.093 like it and I think it adds you know, a 0:07:23.213 --> 0:07:25.693 very interesting to mention. You know, England are talking about 0:07:25.693 --> 0:07:29.693 having the right side for the Ashes. I don't think so. 0:07:30.053 --> 0:07:33.693 M interesting Garth newsflash for you. Rougter's back at number 0:07:33.733 --> 0:07:37.293 one and Brookers number two. So Cain Williamson has to 0:07:37.413 --> 0:07:40.453 slot in at three in these rankings and they change 0:07:40.893 --> 0:07:44.573 every two or three minutes. Jerry Test matches in twenty 0:07:44.613 --> 0:07:47.573 four New Zealand played twelve one six lost six in 0:07:47.613 --> 0:07:52.133 the World Test Championship. They played fourteen one seven lost seven. 0:07:52.773 --> 0:07:55.693 Mediocre record. Let's give them a mark out of ten. 0:07:55.773 --> 0:07:56.733 I've given them five. 0:07:57.733 --> 0:08:00.253 Yeah, I think so was five as fair. 0:08:00.333 --> 0:08:04.133 Maybe, well, they scaled the heights beating India, didn't they. 0:08:04.213 --> 0:08:10.573 That's clearly the Himalayas of the season, you know, probably 0:08:10.613 --> 0:08:12.053 one of our best results ever. 0:08:12.733 --> 0:08:15.693 But then you know, you look at the rest of 0:08:15.813 --> 0:08:16.533 South Africa. 0:08:16.573 --> 0:08:21.253 B We lose to Sri Lanka, we lose to Australia, 0:08:21.293 --> 0:08:26.733 we lose to England, and we drew with Bangladesh. There's 0:08:26.773 --> 0:08:30.933 not really all that exciting, is it. So I think, yeah, 0:08:30.933 --> 0:08:33.853 I think between four and five. Really you Seeland won 0:08:33.933 --> 0:08:38.213 more tests actually away from home in Asia than they 0:08:38.253 --> 0:08:42.213 did at home, so that's a little bit disappointing really 0:08:42.253 --> 0:08:45.733 when you want to protect your home ground, and note 0:08:45.733 --> 0:08:49.653 you should know those conditions the best. So really we 0:08:49.693 --> 0:08:54.293 did have opportunities, as Garth said, to beat both Australia. 0:08:53.773 --> 0:08:55.653 And England in my mind and one. 0:08:55.533 --> 0:08:59.213 Of the Tests, but we get into positions and matches 0:08:59.253 --> 0:09:02.133 and we just don't nail it any longer. 0:09:02.853 --> 0:09:03.733 The match at Hagley. 0:09:04.053 --> 0:09:07.333 Garth mentioned the catchers of course, but I mean even 0:09:07.373 --> 0:09:12.253 against Australia, we remember dropping Marsh I think early on 0:09:12.293 --> 0:09:15.893 that last morning and he was on about twenty and 0:09:15.933 --> 0:09:16.573 he went on to. 0:09:16.533 --> 0:09:18.733 Make eighty and Australia got through. 0:09:18.813 --> 0:09:22.773 Really and then catchers are going down on the slips 0:09:22.813 --> 0:09:24.813 far more often than they should, especially if we have 0:09:24.933 --> 0:09:27.773 that bowling attack I just mentioned. I hope they sought 0:09:27.813 --> 0:09:30.893 that out. Blundell hasn't had a good season with the 0:09:30.933 --> 0:09:34.293 gloves wads and he looks to have lost a lot 0:09:34.293 --> 0:09:38.053 of confidence. His batting came back a fairly aggressive innings 0:09:40.293 --> 0:09:43.813 the basin, but it obviously was in a lost cause. 0:09:44.493 --> 0:09:47.493 And even during England that we mentioned the catchers, sorry 0:09:47.533 --> 0:09:49.773 that Garth was talking about, they. 0:09:49.773 --> 0:09:53.013 Kind of played Brook into form for the. 0:09:52.973 --> 0:09:56.413 Basin Reserve where he had a very impressive innings, I thought, 0:09:56.773 --> 0:09:59.653 But the first one wasn't and I can't. I can 0:09:59.693 --> 0:10:03.493 tell you that Garth and I met Latham on the 0:10:03.573 --> 0:10:09.893 outfield it had at Hagley after the match and he 0:10:10.213 --> 0:10:14.533 maintained steadfast league that there's nothing wrong with New Zealand's 0:10:14.533 --> 0:10:16.973 catching And it was extraordinary, wasn't it. 0:10:17.013 --> 0:10:20.613 Gars Yeah, And I think you know we saw obviously 0:10:20.653 --> 0:10:24.453 Tom you know he then dropped another a sitter in Hamilton. 0:10:24.533 --> 0:10:26.453 It was strange and I think the point you make 0:10:26.573 --> 0:10:29.213 is the one I wanted to make two Jerry about 0:10:29.213 --> 0:10:33.773 the Australian Test. You know, they we said on air 0:10:34.733 --> 0:10:37.293 when we went into that last day that New Zealand 0:10:37.373 --> 0:10:40.733 must take their catches. They must and in the first 0:10:40.773 --> 0:10:45.213 over it was Revendra dropping Marsh at point and and 0:10:45.373 --> 0:10:47.813 you know it was a catch that should have been taken. 0:10:48.013 --> 0:10:51.413 It was incredible that that that went down and Revender, 0:10:51.693 --> 0:10:54.373 you know, I don't have much confidence in his fielding, 0:10:55.013 --> 0:10:57.493 but that that changed the game. And then you saw 0:10:57.533 --> 0:11:01.853 Marsh went on to a carey scored a ninety eight 0:11:02.093 --> 0:11:05.053 out and they won the game. And it was that 0:11:05.253 --> 0:11:07.173 one moment I know they got Head out on the 0:11:07.213 --> 0:11:10.613 same over. But Head wasn't the danger man at that time. 0:11:10.693 --> 0:11:14.693 Marsh was and it has cost them a lot. 0:11:15.333 --> 0:11:18.133 And we continue, you know, while the New Zealand and 0:11:18.173 --> 0:11:20.173 the England side talk about building for the Ashes. New 0:11:20.253 --> 0:11:23.333 Zealand of course have a series coming up against Australia 0:11:23.373 --> 0:11:26.293 in a year's time. You got a couple of years 0:11:26.333 --> 0:11:28.573 and you know, I'm going to be very interested to 0:11:28.573 --> 0:11:30.933 see what side they put out there and how they 0:11:30.933 --> 0:11:33.693 build for it, and whether they have the confidence to 0:11:33.813 --> 0:11:37.533 think ahead and look to the future and start making 0:11:37.573 --> 0:11:38.493 some tough decisions. 0:11:38.933 --> 0:11:40.413 Your mark's out of ten Garth. 0:11:41.013 --> 0:11:42.613 I'm at a five as well. 0:11:42.733 --> 0:11:45.453 Sorry to be consistent with you guys, but I but 0:11:45.653 --> 0:11:47.053 you know you have to you have to look at 0:11:47.133 --> 0:11:49.093 India and say, no other New Zealand team will be 0:11:49.133 --> 0:11:52.253 in India three nil over there. It was an extraordinary achievement, 0:11:52.893 --> 0:11:55.773 but I think they let themselves down in the matches 0:11:55.773 --> 0:11:57.053 against Australia and England. 0:11:57.973 --> 0:12:01.053 Is that enough to win them the Halberg Award for 0:12:01.333 --> 0:12:03.053 Team of the Year or do you have to be 0:12:03.093 --> 0:12:06.013 more consistent than that across the twelve months. 0:12:07.013 --> 0:12:09.333 For me, you would have to be more consistent. I 0:12:09.373 --> 0:12:11.573 don't think that. Yeah. 0:12:11.893 --> 0:12:14.013 I mean again, I suppose you look at a side 0:12:14.013 --> 0:12:16.173 that wins a World Cup, I guess that they get 0:12:16.253 --> 0:12:22.533 put up for a nomination. Yeah, I mean I find 0:12:22.573 --> 0:12:27.173 it slightly confusing if a side plays very well in 0:12:27.253 --> 0:12:31.053 one series but not throughout the whole year, they wouldn't 0:12:31.053 --> 0:12:32.253 be my nomination. 0:12:32.413 --> 0:12:33.453 No, nor mine was. 0:12:34.053 --> 0:12:34.133 No. 0:12:34.253 --> 0:12:37.053 Well, I mean, we've got to remember that Indian series. 0:12:37.093 --> 0:12:41.053 It was outstanding. We can't ignore that. But it's still 0:12:41.293 --> 0:12:44.733 a disappointing year in terms of Test matches. 0:12:44.973 --> 0:12:47.373 Can I make one other point, and that is in 0:12:47.413 --> 0:12:50.333 relation to the selection and why I think that they 0:12:50.373 --> 0:12:53.853 have failed in some respects. Just remember that when you 0:12:53.893 --> 0:12:56.133 come to picking our best bowler of the year, I 0:12:56.133 --> 0:13:00.053 think we will probably say the same person Jerry and 0:13:00.093 --> 0:13:03.573 it's Matt Henry and I look at him. He did 0:13:03.573 --> 0:13:06.613 not play in either Test in Tri Lanka, and that's 0:13:06.653 --> 0:13:10.133 because Tim Saudi was and Tim's record over the last 0:13:10.133 --> 0:13:13.813 twelve months has been very poor. So for me, another 0:13:13.853 --> 0:13:16.773 reason why they're a four point five or five is 0:13:17.333 --> 0:13:19.973 they've made a number They've made a number of selection 0:13:20.053 --> 0:13:23.293 eras based on favoritism, and my view. 0:13:24.013 --> 0:13:26.373 Has Gary Stead done enough to keep us coaching role 0:13:26.493 --> 0:13:29.413 or should that go into the marketplace to test those 0:13:29.413 --> 0:13:30.773 who are available to do the job. 0:13:31.173 --> 0:13:34.213 Look, I can really only comment on the things that 0:13:34.293 --> 0:13:36.933 you see. I haven't spent a lot of the time 0:13:36.973 --> 0:13:41.173 around the team wads looking at practices, and obviously don't 0:13:41.213 --> 0:13:44.773 go to unseen things like meetings and discussions and planning 0:13:44.853 --> 0:13:46.133 and practices and. 0:13:46.133 --> 0:13:47.013 All that sort of stuff. 0:13:48.173 --> 0:13:51.533 We can comment, of course on the selections, and we 0:13:51.653 --> 0:13:57.013 have done quite recently. He's the head coach in all 0:13:57.093 --> 0:14:01.973 three formats, and we all hear about the congested schedules 0:14:02.053 --> 0:14:04.653 and too much cricket and that sort of thing. So 0:14:04.693 --> 0:14:06.813 it's a bit of a cheap result for the NZCA 0:14:06.893 --> 0:14:10.213 to have one person to pay on the payroll, if 0:14:10.213 --> 0:14:13.693 you like. I don't know how much actual coaching he does. 0:14:14.573 --> 0:14:16.693 He's got coaches for every other part of the game, 0:14:16.773 --> 0:14:18.293 isn't he fielding. 0:14:17.893 --> 0:14:18.693 Batting, polling? 0:14:19.933 --> 0:14:22.813 There seem to be others, Yeah, all around with all 0:14:22.853 --> 0:14:25.893 the tasks. Look, I think he's a pretty he seems 0:14:25.893 --> 0:14:28.853 a pretty solid, faithful, kind of steadfast. 0:14:28.253 --> 0:14:31.853 Devoted guy, you know, and with the. 0:14:31.933 --> 0:14:34.413 Number of cricketers we've got in the New Zealand system, 0:14:34.773 --> 0:14:38.453 that might be you know, that provide a source for 0:14:38.573 --> 0:14:42.493 him to choose from. They might be the qualities that 0:14:42.573 --> 0:14:46.693 allow players to mature a bit better, but some will 0:14:46.733 --> 0:14:49.773 feel other things. They will say it couldn't be bad 0:14:49.813 --> 0:14:51.733 for a player if you play too long. Look at 0:14:51.733 --> 0:14:56.293 Conway at the moment, for example, his struggles recently don't 0:14:56.293 --> 0:14:59.533 appear to be improving. And does he at some point 0:14:59.613 --> 0:15:02.293 need to get away from the scrutiny and from the 0:15:02.333 --> 0:15:05.813 assessments and the failures and return to a place, you know, 0:15:05.933 --> 0:15:08.333 in a system where you know he's got time to reduce, 0:15:08.373 --> 0:15:13.453 juvenate and you get some confidence. It just seems to 0:15:13.493 --> 0:15:16.493 me the current coaching staff there don't have any answers 0:15:16.493 --> 0:15:20.173 to the problems. And some will also feel that, you know, 0:15:20.293 --> 0:15:22.933 he's turned an international sports side, which is sort of 0:15:22.933 --> 0:15:25.893 gas thing I think, into a men's club that you know, 0:15:25.973 --> 0:15:30.413 once you're a member, irrespective of how you perform, you're 0:15:30.413 --> 0:15:33.173 not dismissed. There's no effect at all, there's no consequence. 0:15:34.253 --> 0:15:38.333 And so players you know, have become perhaps have they 0:15:38.413 --> 0:15:42.693 or some players a bit too influential and what goes on, 0:15:42.853 --> 0:15:44.893 I don't know. Look at that T twenty World Cup, 0:15:44.973 --> 0:15:48.093 not going there beforehand, all clearing off, you know, and 0:15:48.133 --> 0:15:51.453 to do other things after. I mean, I just I just, 0:15:51.693 --> 0:15:55.533 you know, find that he's perhaps a bit strict with 0:15:55.293 --> 0:15:59.893 the limit of caution that he has. Well, look, everyone 0:16:00.013 --> 0:16:02.653 likes to pick teams, don't they. We do in the 0:16:02.693 --> 0:16:06.213 teams to represent your country. We pour over stats and 0:16:06.253 --> 0:16:08.173 we have a look at the players. We you know, 0:16:08.533 --> 0:16:11.973 we developed favorites and you know, and all we see 0:16:12.053 --> 0:16:15.053 the same players year after year. I don't forget our 0:16:15.133 --> 0:16:19.333 eighteen beat Australia a last year twice and tests over 0:16:19.413 --> 0:16:22.653 in Australia, so you know, rat was part of that. 0:16:22.773 --> 0:16:26.133 Some of those players haven't come to the forefront. 0:16:26.493 --> 0:16:30.053 Yeah, I mean, I think I endorsed what Jerry says 0:16:30.053 --> 0:16:32.533 about Gary Stead. I think he's you know, he's a 0:16:32.573 --> 0:16:35.293 he's a fine person, I think, with a good heart, 0:16:35.573 --> 0:16:37.853 who wants the best. But he is, in my view, 0:16:38.133 --> 0:16:42.413 crippled by conservatism. And that's you know, in the country 0:16:42.453 --> 0:16:45.333 of New Zealand size. I always feel that when we're 0:16:45.533 --> 0:16:49.493 at our best, it's when we you know, it must 0:16:49.493 --> 0:16:51.733 involve a little bit of risk taking from time to time, 0:16:51.853 --> 0:16:54.173 and I just don't see it. And so and the 0:16:54.173 --> 0:16:57.493 greatest example of it for me is persisting with Conway 0:16:57.533 --> 0:16:59.933 for as long as they have, and the and the 0:17:00.013 --> 0:17:04.173 continued selection with Tim Soudy. They were prepared to have 0:17:04.333 --> 0:17:07.813 a very hard conversation with Neil Wagner and it clearly 0:17:07.853 --> 0:17:11.533 came as a surprised to Wagner. They weren't consistent with 0:17:11.613 --> 0:17:16.333 Salvi and you know, I just feel that that for me, 0:17:16.453 --> 0:17:21.213 Damn's the coaching and selection crew and I want to 0:17:21.253 --> 0:17:23.893 see a more ambitious group. I think when you look 0:17:23.933 --> 0:17:27.853 at Steed's record since twenty twenty one, you first see 0:17:27.933 --> 0:17:30.013 that he came in on the quest of a wave 0:17:30.053 --> 0:17:34.053 in twenty eighteen. They went they won the World Test 0:17:34.093 --> 0:17:35.613 Final in twenty twenty one. 0:17:35.933 --> 0:17:37.453 Which was a fabulous achievement. 0:17:37.733 --> 0:17:40.453 But since then, if we're looking at Test cricket, I 0:17:40.493 --> 0:17:42.493 think the reck that the returns of this site have 0:17:42.613 --> 0:17:48.573 been very modest and again they've been too content for 0:17:48.693 --> 0:17:51.573 my view to stick with the same and I don't 0:17:51.573 --> 0:17:53.493 think there's enough hunger for places in the team. 0:17:53.493 --> 0:17:54.693 It's not competitive enough. 0:17:55.253 --> 0:17:57.653 The other thing was is you know, six years in 0:17:57.733 --> 0:18:02.253 a job for stead now and I think that represents 0:18:02.293 --> 0:18:04.693 a period of time to discover the job and what 0:18:04.733 --> 0:18:06.973 it means and what do you do and what things 0:18:06.973 --> 0:18:09.653 you want to change and what for what of a 0:18:09.653 --> 0:18:10.133 better word? 0:18:10.493 --> 0:18:11.613 To develop a culture? 0:18:11.653 --> 0:18:14.653 You know how hard you train, the routines of the team, 0:18:14.693 --> 0:18:18.893 the selection policies, the dealing with problems, but after that, 0:18:19.213 --> 0:18:20.893 you know it's kind of time to move on. 0:18:21.333 --> 0:18:22.493 Give someone else a crack. 0:18:23.813 --> 0:18:26.453 And I feel, I mean Gary if he wants to, 0:18:26.533 --> 0:18:32.093 because the results have been internationally okay, but apart from 0:18:32.293 --> 0:18:35.253 since Garth, as he said, they were sixth last year 0:18:35.293 --> 0:18:38.573 in the World Test Champions they're currently fourth. But you know, 0:18:39.453 --> 0:18:43.133 I just think Gary should if he wants to have 0:18:43.173 --> 0:18:44.413 a go again and apply. 0:18:44.533 --> 0:18:45.093 That's fine. 0:18:45.733 --> 0:18:48.733 Maybe he wants time with the family, He's earned that right, 0:18:49.333 --> 0:18:51.733 But there are other candidates who should also have a 0:18:51.813 --> 0:18:57.613 crack and at the coaching now, whether that's Shane Jurgenson 0:18:57.653 --> 0:19:00.733 who's currently at Wellington he won the Plunket Shield last year, 0:19:00.733 --> 0:19:05.213 whether it's Peter Fulton. We've lost Rob Walter who's now 0:19:05.253 --> 0:19:08.213 gone to coach South Africa. He was here at CD. 0:19:08.773 --> 0:19:12.813 We've lost Heinrich Milan up in Auckland, he's gone to Ireland. 0:19:12.813 --> 0:19:15.933 Grant Bad Bruins around and at Glamorgan. At the moment 0:19:16.253 --> 0:19:19.773 there are coaches around and maybe we can co op 0:19:20.173 --> 0:19:23.333 a few can't we is that a possibility. Couldn't we 0:19:23.373 --> 0:19:27.573 co op? Couldn't we co op the fleming? Couldn't we 0:19:27.613 --> 0:19:28.493 co up the bond? 0:19:29.133 --> 0:19:32.253 They may have to reflect on doing something like that 0:19:32.413 --> 0:19:35.933 because we're starting a new World Test Championship we assume 0:19:36.453 --> 0:19:38.173 in the middle of the year, and they've got time 0:19:38.253 --> 0:19:42.573 to put that to the forefront of their thinking. It 0:19:42.573 --> 0:19:45.413 may well be that they want white ball coaches and 0:19:45.973 --> 0:19:49.613 red ball coaches. That's something that they can probably reflect on. 0:19:50.013 --> 0:19:54.773 Garth has given us his bowler of the Year. I 0:19:54.853 --> 0:19:58.133 can't argue with that. Matt Henry forty eight wickets at 0:19:58.213 --> 0:20:03.853 eighteen quite clearly the star performer and he was getting 0:20:04.013 --> 0:20:07.173 help in the end by the best up and coming player, 0:20:07.253 --> 0:20:10.853 and you've talked about that Will O'Rourke. Hard to see 0:20:10.893 --> 0:20:13.933 past them as the leaders of our attack in the future. 0:20:14.573 --> 0:20:18.453 Oh, definitely, definitely. If we're going to continue to have 0:20:18.933 --> 0:20:22.493 seam based pictures, green pictures, those two are going to 0:20:22.533 --> 0:20:26.133 be crackers and maybe if we can keep people fit, 0:20:26.173 --> 0:20:28.773 there'll be others to join them. I thought it was 0:20:29.093 --> 0:20:32.253 you know, it was a difficult choice, for example, to 0:20:32.373 --> 0:20:35.173 leave Smith out. I think he's shown even in the 0:20:35.213 --> 0:20:38.293 short two you know spaces. Of the two matches he played, 0:20:39.413 --> 0:20:41.573 he showed enough to all of us, I think, who 0:20:41.613 --> 0:20:44.453 have watched cricket for a long time to say, we 0:20:44.693 --> 0:20:45.533 like your bowling. 0:20:46.173 --> 0:20:47.893 We like the way you say yes year. 0:20:47.933 --> 0:20:49.573 But he hit around a bit and you will leave 0:20:49.613 --> 0:20:52.613 it full and a'll weave it short at times. But 0:20:53.453 --> 0:20:57.293 the pace we like, the energy, we like, the effort, 0:20:57.373 --> 0:21:02.413 we like, the fielding we love. He's really starting to 0:21:02.453 --> 0:21:04.253 show some of the others up the way he moves 0:21:04.293 --> 0:21:08.693 around that park in the circle. And he's also seeming 0:21:08.733 --> 0:21:11.613 to be useful with the bat. And he's going to Surrey's. 0:21:12.133 --> 0:21:14.693 They'll teach him more. They're a very strong club, they've 0:21:14.733 --> 0:21:18.613 won the last three championships and they'll teach him stuff 0:21:18.613 --> 0:21:21.453 as well. So he's going to be a very useful 0:21:21.613 --> 0:21:24.333 addition at number eight or nine in the order as well. 0:21:24.853 --> 0:21:27.453 Yeah, there can be no argument with the batsmen of 0:21:27.693 --> 0:21:31.013 the year, and I guess the player of the year 0:21:31.093 --> 0:21:35.013 test wise Caine Williamson one thousand and thirteen runs in 0:21:35.093 --> 0:21:39.693 the year four centuries, four fifties. He was the man 0:21:39.853 --> 0:21:43.293 we missed the most whenever he wasn't available. Thankfully, through 0:21:43.453 --> 0:21:46.853 the year he was available and we talked earlier about 0:21:46.853 --> 0:21:50.293