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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage like no

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Speaker 1: one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show. Coming up today the police Commissioner

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Speaker 4: after five on why they're still charging the woman and

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Speaker 4: many other questions. We still have a principal's take on

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Speaker 4: David Seymore blaming teacher strikes for dropping attendance starter and

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Speaker 4: Trump is in the Epstein files after all.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk you through it, Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So it turns out the woman that with whom Jeffn

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Speaker 4: mcskimming had an affair, whose warnings police ignored, and who

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Speaker 4: police charged instead of investigating Jevin mcskimming is still facing charges.

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Speaker 4: This is the news today and the police are having

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Speaker 4: to defend this. Now. The charges don't relate to messages

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Speaker 4: that she sent about mcskimming. Those charges are being dropped.

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Speaker 4: They relate to messages that she allegedly sent to another policeman,

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Speaker 4: the officer who originally arrested her, and emails she allegedly

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Speaker 4: sent to his wife. Now, this is undoubtedly going to

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Speaker 4: look bad for police because it will look like they

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Speaker 4: are still persecuting a victim. But how about we take

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Speaker 4: the emotion out of it and look at it again.

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Speaker 4: Just because Jeff mcskimming is a creep and clearly the

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Speaker 4: villain of the story doesn't mean that she is necessarily innocent.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look at the allegations. Allegedly emailing a police

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Speaker 4: officer is one thing. Allegedly emailing his wife is something else.

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Speaker 4: And this is after some pretty bunny boiler behavior, including

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Speaker 4: sending three hundred emails to mc skimming and others over

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Speaker 4: a series of years. Now there will be some people

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Speaker 4: who have complete sympathy for her in this, who will

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Speaker 4: say that the allegations show that she is a woman

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Speaker 4: driven mad by being ignored and gas lit by the

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Speaker 4: very people as she was asking for help, And that

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Speaker 4: may well be true, and I suspect that it is,

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Speaker 4: and I feel sorry for her, and I feel sorry

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Speaker 4: for the horrible situation that Jeff mcskimming, the absolute creep,

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Speaker 4: has put her in, But I still don't think it

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Speaker 4: justifies alleged law breaking as a response, because that logic

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Speaker 4: is the very same logic that is used by the

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Speaker 4: soft who read cultural reports about offenders' childhoods and then

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Speaker 4: excuse them for what they did because what it was

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Speaker 4: originally done to them when they were kids. Do you

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Speaker 4: follow what I'm saying now? Having said all of that,

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Speaker 4: if you're of the view that she only sent a

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Speaker 4: bunch of emails, so who really cares? Then why do

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Speaker 4: we have the law? Now that's a fair debate. We

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Speaker 4: can have a debate about that law, because not everyone

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Speaker 4: loves the Harmful Digital Communications Act. But if the law exists,

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Speaker 4: and if you allegedly break that law and the police,

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Speaker 4: despite realizing how bad it will look for them to

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Speaker 4: charge you, still choose to charge you, then isn't there

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Speaker 4: a case to answer to?

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Speaker 5: Ever?

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Speaker 2: Do for ce Ellen's.

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Speaker 6: N nine?

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Speaker 4: Who is the text number? Standard text fee? Supply you're

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Speaker 4: welcome to text as I say, Richard Chambers the police

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Speaker 4: boss with us after that and a bunch of other

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Speaker 4: stuff after five Now, and you think Tank is calling

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Speaker 4: for Kiwi Savor for Kids? The Idea Institute is behind

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Speaker 4: the idea. They've put out a report looking at the

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Speaker 4: potential benefits of enrolling every New Zealand kid in a

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Speaker 4: saving scheme from birth. They reckon kids, can we save?

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Speaker 4: It could grow to be grow to be worth tens

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Speaker 4: of billions of dollars. Now, Max Rashbrook is an idea

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Speaker 4: institute founding trustee and with us himax, Hey.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that has the game.

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Speaker 4: Well, very well, thank you. Where would the money come from.

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Speaker 7: Well, we've sort of estimated in different ways that you

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Speaker 7: could run a scheme like this. They would probably cost

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Speaker 7: One you could fund that is new spending out of

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Speaker 7: that are paid to adult ke we Save members at

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Speaker 7: the moment, there's hundreds of millions of dollars in that

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Speaker 7: which arguably isn't very well targeted. If you rescoped that

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Speaker 7: the kids ki we Save a scheme in a cost

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Speaker 4: Would you be putting how much would you be putting

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Speaker 7: Well, again, there's different ways you could do it with

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Speaker 7: sort of modeled different forms of it depending on what

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Speaker 7: going at birth, and then the government could be matching.

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Speaker 7: If parents put in say one hundred a couple hundred

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Speaker 7: Is another incentive for savings.

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Speaker 4: How is this different from the super fund? I mean

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Speaker 4: the superfund is basically taking a bunch of money investing

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Speaker 4: it on behalf of everybody, and this is just taking

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some similarities with the super fund, which I

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Speaker 7: think is a good thing because I think that's a

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Speaker 7: bit of public policy that pretty much everyone agrees, you know,

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Speaker 7: that the superfund is just doing it all by itself

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Speaker 7: with no real connection to you. The New Zealand citizen,

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Speaker 7: the New Zealand parent kid's key we saver would be saying, look,

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Speaker 7: the dynamic of this. Like key we Saver as a

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Speaker 7: partnership between the employer and the employee, this would be

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Speaker 7: a partnership between you as parents and the government. If

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Speaker 7: you put in a couple hundred dollars a year. The

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Speaker 7: government will put in a couple hundred dollars a year

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Speaker 7: as part of that compact and to encourage you to say, you.

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Speaker 4: Can't end up in the same place, except parents are

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Speaker 4: incentivized to add to it. And also the kids, I

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Speaker 4: suppose learn a bit of financial literacy, don't they.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that would potentially be one of the

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Speaker 7: other advantages. I mean, obviously, the government's moving to make

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Speaker 7: financial literacy a compulsory part of the curriculum, and we

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Speaker 7: think that's an excellent idea. But you know, how much

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Speaker 7: more meaningful would that financial literacy education be in high

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Speaker 7: got a qs air account that's accumulating, and when they're

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Speaker 7: in eighteen, they'll have to make decisions about how to

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Speaker 7: invest it.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, I mean, do you think that

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Speaker 4: you leave it for the kids to claim when they're

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Speaker 4: take them out maybe for some university education when they're eighteen.

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Speaker 7: Well, again, there's lots of different ways you could do it,

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Speaker 7: and we're sort of left that a bit open in

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Speaker 4: I think that's what's your gut telling you. Because the

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Speaker 4: reason I'm asking, Okay, the reason I'm asking is because

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's one thing to have kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: sixty five. But your education is such a such an

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Speaker 4: inflection point in your life, right. Imagine if you could

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Speaker 4: to go somewhere amazing like Harvard. Just the impact it

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And look, I think that's a fair argument. My

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Speaker 7: gut instinct is that it's good to keep things simple,

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Speaker 7: So I would have the accounts at age eighteen, just

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Speaker 7: you can use them for retirement or first home deposit.

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Speaker 7: And one of the things I like about this kind

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Speaker 7: even you know they've done trades training, whatever, the working

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Speaker 7: as a plumber, they could plausibly have a house deposit

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Speaker 7: by age thirty with this scheme, and I like the

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Speaker 7: idea that you've brought that back within reach for people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right actually about just leaving it

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Speaker 4: untouched and leaving it simple. Max, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 4: Thanks man appreciated. That's Max Rashbrook of the Idea Institute. Hither.

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Speaker 4: I started my daughter's key we Save her when she

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Speaker 4: was seven. She's now twenty seven and she's just bought

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Speaker 4: Hither don't you think that by police charging this woman

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Speaker 4: it will no doubt make the compensation she's going to

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Speaker 4: receive great and give her a break, Nick, you're assuming

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Speaker 4: she's going to receive compensation. Is she even entitled to

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Speaker 4: compensation or is it just a moral obligation the police

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Speaker 4: feel if they pay her something? Full seventeen Sport with.

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Speaker 8: Going to win on your show? During your show, what

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Speaker 8: is it?

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Speaker 4: What do they need?

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Speaker 8: Not a great deal more two from twenty eight balls.

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Speaker 8: So it looks like do you see on they're going

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Speaker 4: Still need one more runs.

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Speaker 8: They just sorted through for a single, and that means

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Speaker 8: that Conway's on strike. So he's on forty six, so

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Speaker 8: they've given him that one delivery to hike it over

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Speaker 4: What happened to the Windys? Does it just too cold

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Speaker 8: It's really really hard to play in that part of

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Speaker 8: the world because it is cold, but also the bull's.

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Speaker 4: Hooping war here we go, he's coming in.

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Speaker 8: And he's attempted tripped and he's heard his foot. But

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Speaker 8: they weren't the game anyway. R eighteen bet responsible was

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Speaker 8: that was.

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Speaker 4: Such a dull finish. I mean, I was expecting that,

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Speaker 4: as you said, like a good smash. It was not

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Speaker 4: even a great strike.

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Speaker 8: Opportunity given, but.

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Speaker 4: We went by eight. So that's drubbing.

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Speaker 8: Let's talk about what's happening in tab Land and what

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Speaker 8: you're going to bet? As I said R eighteen bet response,

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Speaker 8: which is funny when it comes to me, because I'm

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Speaker 8: not very good at doing that. I thought I was

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Speaker 8: in last week with my four leg rugby multi and

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Speaker 8: I wasn't because you know what.

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Speaker 4: Happened, Know what happened.

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Speaker 9: Let me give you the Australia got beaten by Italy.

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Speaker 9: I mean of all of the games, I'm like.

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Speaker 4: The Ausies are so inconsisty. Really really, it's like what

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Speaker 4: losing combination is.

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Speaker 8: I've got a snorter for you. It's paying ten thousand,

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Speaker 8: six hundred and twenty three dollars per dollar invested. So

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Speaker 8: what I'm going for is six as eight games of

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Speaker 8: football over the next week, and I'm picking the drawers

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Speaker 8: for all of them. So what I've done is I

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Speaker 8: found the games where the odds are pretty close, like

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Speaker 8: you know, to sixty three twenty kind of like that,

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Speaker 8: not but completely imbalanced ones, but the ones that so

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Speaker 8: Slovakian ordn Island, Cape Verde, the I run an Ecuador

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Speaker 8: versus Canada, Who's best done? Egypt, Venezuela, Australia, USA para

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Speaker 8: Gua Mexico, Uruguay, Cameroon, and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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Speaker 8: And if every one of those is a drawer, I will,

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Speaker 8: I will, I will win ten twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Darcy, thank you very much. Is there such a main joke?

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Speaker 4: Obviously it's full twenty two.

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Speaker 11: I think we're in a really difficult position.

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Speaker 3: The public is asking very gathered questions.

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Speaker 13: I think I said, how.

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Speaker 12: Many questions should I ask you on costa? And you're

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Speaker 13: And I know that's frustrating, but I am not going

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Speaker 12: If you are in a job and you've done nothing

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Speaker 4: That's the heart of this matter.

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Speaker 2: Sad b oh Man.

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Speaker 4: I am still enjoying the Maori party business because it

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Speaker 4: it was Ordini kaiper Maria men Or Kapakini, Takuza Ferris

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Speaker 4: There's nothing major, like, there's no huge scandal going on,

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Speaker 2: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: Tad's police boss with us. After five o'clock David Seymour

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Speaker 4: past five. She's not stoked about it. And I'm going

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Speaker 4: He'd be drive the US government shutdown is over.

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Speaker 2: They thought it.

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Speaker 6: Would be good politically, and it's an honor now to

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It took Trump about five seconds to blame the Democrats.

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Speaker 12: Just the end of an era, and that the kids

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Speaker 4: The US Mint has officially phased out the one cent coin.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 4: Murray Old's Ossie corresponds with us hamas very good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: The Libs have done it. They've dounped the net zero

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Speaker 10: you've also got anyone under the age of thirty thirty

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Speaker 10: five is going to look at this think here's a

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Speaker 10: party run by old blokes and suits who don't believe

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Speaker 10: in climate change, why not going to vote for them? Ever?

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Speaker 10: And the only people who left to vote for the

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Speaker 10: conservative liberal rump, they're going to be old white men

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Speaker 10: with very poor education, a bit like we saw in

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Speaker 10: the United States who voted for Trump. You know, it's

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Speaker 10: so tough and Susan Lee now is you know, she's

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Speaker 10: basically stuck her own head on the pole outside Parliament

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Speaker 10: House because she said, you know, we have to keep nets,

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Speaker 10: you have to get more until we don't. So it's

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Speaker 10: been so tough on her and these right wings, the

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Speaker 10: right wingers in the Liberal Party have been tearing it

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Speaker 10: down from the day she was elected. It's just such

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Speaker 10: a tough gig for you.

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Speaker 4: Do you think do you think her leadership is now

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Speaker 4: basically done?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 10: I think so, I think so. I think it's just

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Speaker 10: a question of timing now, Heather. But here's the thing

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Speaker 10: with Labour ninety four seats, the coalition forty forty three.

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Speaker 10: You look, you know, unless there's something catastrophic, it happens

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Speaker 10: to Labor. The opposition's got another two years of this

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Speaker 10: term of government and then two more terms, so that's

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Speaker 10: like eight eight years, eight or nine years. Now who

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Speaker 10: wants that gig. Gee whiz, that's a tough gig. But

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Speaker 10: you know, these thrusting blokes and blue suits and the

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Speaker 10: right well you know, I bet they have their hands

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Speaker 10: out in the new year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah maybe so. Hey, I see our mate, the neo

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Speaker 4: Nazis out of jail.

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Speaker 10: Oh he is? This is this Thomas Saul. I hate immigration, Tommy, Tommy,

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Speaker 10: you were born in New Zealand, vape. He was bailed

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Speaker 10: that he spent two months in jail. They charged over

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Speaker 10: this neo Nazi attack. Horrible, horrible attack on an indigenous

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Speaker 10: camp that has been set up in Melbourne. It's called

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Speaker 10: Camp Sovereignty and for whatever reason, the neo Nazis thought,

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Speaker 10: here's some Indigenous Australian, let's go and attack their camp.

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Speaker 10: Well that didn't work so well for Thomas Sull and

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Speaker 10: fourteen others. The Saul himself is facing twenty five charges,

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Speaker 10: you know, and very serious. I mean you're talking decent

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Speaker 10: jail time if if he's convicted. Back in all was

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Speaker 10: the magistrate said this guy, so you're a dangerous to

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Speaker 10: the rest of the community. I'm going to lock you up.

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Speaker 10: He has appealed and he's out today. Depending of course,

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Speaker 10: more court dates to face these charges about this attack

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Speaker 10: on the camp.

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Speaker 4: Myles, thanks very much. You look after yourself. It's Murray

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Speaker 4: Old's Australia correspondent coming up eighteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Heather do for Cela.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the David Seymour was right with the strike on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: My wife decided by we blame your wife, you participated.

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Speaker 4: My wife decided to take an extra long weekend as

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Speaker 4: the including the Friday. The kids were going to be

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Speaker 4: doing cuppahuker for most of the day, so no real

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Speaker 4: learning was going to be done. Oh yeah, well everybody

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Speaker 4: did that, didn't they yet? The strike on the Thursday,

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Speaker 4: even the teachers did it. Strike on the Thursday. Then

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Speaker 4: everybody went away on the Friday. Then you had labor Monday,

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Speaker 4: labor weekend and it was Monday. That was an awesome break,

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Speaker 4: thanks very much to the teacher's attendance record went back.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, we'll talk to Kathy about it. Kathy the principle.

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Speaker 4: Now the emails, as I told you, have been released,

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Speaker 4: including Trump's name three times in the Epstein files. Now

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Speaker 4: probably the I'm just gonna stay right off the bat.

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Speaker 4: It's not incriminating, So anybody who's like, oh, I got him,

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Speaker 4: I got him. No, they didn't. They haven't got him yet,

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Speaker 4: not yet. Maybe they will, but maybe they won't, but

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Speaker 4: they haven't yet. So the most incriminating email is the

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Speaker 4: one that is from Epstein to his fixer Gilaine in

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Speaker 4: April twenty eleven, and it reads, I want you to

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Speaker 4: realize that that dog hasn't barked as Trump. Then redacted

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Speaker 4: name spent hours at my house with him. Now the

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Speaker 4: redacted name the girl who spent hours at the house

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Speaker 4: with him, is believed to be Virginia Guphrey. Virginia Deufrey

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Speaker 4: has gone out of her way to say Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: never did anything wrong. Now you might question her motivation

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Speaker 4: for saying that right, and you might get well, I

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Speaker 4: wonder why why is she going out of her way

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Speaker 4: to protect her whatever whatever. We don't know. We'll have

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Speaker 4: to take her at her word. She says Donald like,

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Speaker 4: of all the people she's named and shamed, and there

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Speaker 4: are prime ministers in there and stuff, well one prime

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Speaker 4: minister in there and whatnot, she hasn't named Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: as an abuser. So I don't know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You have to wonder what they did for ours, probably

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Speaker 4: unlikely having a cup of tea. But anyway, that's that.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk to bo bo Is bo Erickson,

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Speaker 4: who's with Reuters in Washington. He's going to talk us

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Speaker 4: through it shortly. I've got a lot of stuff to

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Speaker 4: talk to you about read Jeff mcskimming before we get

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Speaker 4: to Richard Chambers. But one of the things that I

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Speaker 4: need to raise with Richard Chambers is just the money.

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Speaker 4: So JEVIMC skimming. I don't know if you're aware, but

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Speaker 4: he made an absolute mint of us even after we

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Speaker 4: found out, even after he was stood down when it

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Speaker 4: was clear that he'd been looking at kiddy and animal porn.

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Speaker 4: He was put on paid leave for five months and

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Speaker 4: probably earned about a quarter of a million dollars while that.

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Speaker 4: Then he's going to have a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 4: money like leave payments and holiday payments and stuff like

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Speaker 4: that that are due to him, and notice payments and stuff.

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Speaker 4: The real big question is what do we do about

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Speaker 4: his pension, because he will be on a very nice,

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Speaker 4: thank you very much police pension scheme, and can Richard

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Speaker 4: Chambers please cut that off because he's a creep. We'll

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Speaker 4: ask Richard about that sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit, check your cus us and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have to talk about Simon Watson, the

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Speaker 4: thing that he said when we get a chance. Thirteen

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Speaker 4: away from five. Barry so Per, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry,

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Speaker 4: good afternoon.

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Speaker 9: The mind boggles.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned, Barry. What is going on with the Maori Party?

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Speaker 9: Well, that's what I'd like to know. What is going

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Speaker 9: on with the Malory Party because if you check out

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Speaker 9: their website, yes, their Mighty Clark hanahway, No, she's Mighty

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Speaker 9: Clark's there. Yes, that's what I'm saying it. Mighty Clark

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Speaker 9: is there along with the co leaders and under the

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Speaker 9: headliners to party Maori members of Parliament. Well, where is

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Speaker 9: Orny Coprara? Yeah, well she's not there. So it does

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Speaker 9: beg the question, doesn't it? What's going on here? And

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Speaker 9: the thing is Copra and Mighty Clark haven't yet spoken

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Speaker 9: publicly since everything went barely up in the Maori Party. Copra,

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Speaker 9: though you were a member, posted on social media her

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Speaker 9: support for Kappakinhi late last month. She said I'm still here,

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Speaker 9: she wrote, standing by you, for you.

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Speaker 15: And with you.

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Speaker 9: The fight will continue, but for now rest is required.

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Speaker 9: Well you know that's interesting, isn't it. And then Mapi Clark,

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Speaker 9: she wrote on her social media page, I've made the

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Speaker 9: decision for our Rohi, the hierarchy Waikato to hold the line.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure exactly what that means, but look, if

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Speaker 9: they lose half their caucus, you've got to say they

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Speaker 9: do have not insignificant problems in the Maldi party.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the next time fair to say that looking

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Speaker 4: at the comments that they've both made. These are the

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Speaker 4: young mpsy. Looking at the comments that they've both made,

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Speaker 4: and the fact that they've had this meeting yesterday, that

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Speaker 4: it looks like there's a defection or any kaiper has

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Speaker 4: defected to the two ousted MPs and Han Rafiti's still

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Speaker 4: sticking with the Maori Party.

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, you could say that, although I haven't seen

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Speaker 9: neither of neither of the matt parliament since today. Takuta

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Speaker 9: Ferris was there and you'll hear from him to turn up.

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Speaker 9: It turned up, for so did Kapakinghi. She was there,

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Speaker 9: but the co leadership wasn't there.

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Speaker 10: It's like.

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Speaker 4: She's the weird Okay, listen, this treaty obligation stuff with

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Speaker 4: the school boards is back in Parliament.

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Speaker 9: Well, yes it was this afternoon. The issue, of course

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Speaker 9: should be championed by the Maldi Party, but of course

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Speaker 9: none of the Maldi Party were there today the removal

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Speaker 9: of the Treaty of White hanging from the school's country

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Speaker 9: school boards the co leadership, they weren't there. But the

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Speaker 9: new Independent MP Takuta Ferris was there doing battle over

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Speaker 9: the issue. But not before the Greens Lawrence ju Nan

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Speaker 9: had to go at the Education Minister, Erica Stanford.

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Speaker 16: Who does she think is more committed to your her

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Speaker 16: coalition government or the coalition made up of eighty eight EWI,

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Speaker 16: over ninety five thousand teachers, Principles schools and KUDA opposing

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Speaker 16: her repeat of Section one twenty seven sub Subsection to

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Speaker 16: E of the Education and Training Act.

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Speaker 5: The person who has committed to the treaty is the

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Speaker 5: Minister of Education. Here we are having a debate about

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Speaker 5: the Treaty of whiteitngy in a school board's responsibility, when

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Speaker 5: we should be talking about Marii achievement, because that's what

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Speaker 5: this government has been doing.

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Speaker 11: We are raising Marii achievement.

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Speaker 5: Unlike the last.

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Speaker 11: Lot Suprementary takut De Ferris, what action.

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Speaker 15: Is the Minister taking so the EWE chairs petition to

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Speaker 15: protect taxidity and education.

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Speaker 5: I am actively seeking a meeting with EWE chairs to

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Speaker 5: discuss the responsibility that the Crown has for the treaty.

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Speaker 9: Now, it just occurred to me that given Takuta Ferris's

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Speaker 9: opposition to Asians campaigning and a Maori electorate that basically

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Speaker 9: following Ju Nan who was born in China.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how he feels him weighing the debate.

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Speaker 9: That's why it had appealed to me, I thought. Following

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Speaker 9: on from that, So yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, listen, I'm Donald Trump. Have you got your TDS ready?

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 11: Let's go.

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Speaker 9: No, no, I don't have any tds. But look, interestingly,

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Speaker 9: in the two hundred twenty fifteen email egged Donald Trump

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Speaker 9: on or egged the situation on when basically Epstein said

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Speaker 9: that he could produce photos of Donald and girls in

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Speaker 9: bikinis in my kitchen. So no less then the late

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Speaker 9: Jennifer Dufrey or Dufrey sorry said she was a teenage

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Speaker 9: spa attended Mary Lago when she was poached by in

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Speaker 9: two thousand by Maxwell to work for Epstein. Interestingly, Maxwell's

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Speaker 9: now serving, of course, as we all know, a twenty

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Speaker 9: year prison term. But after being interviewed by the Deputy

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Speaker 9: Attorney General, she's been shifted to a minimum security prison,

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Speaker 9: which we're told she's rather enjoying. So the White House spokesperson,

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Speaker 9: Carolyn Levitt, she said Democrats selectively linked those emails to

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Speaker 9: create a fight, fight, negative or narrative to smear the president.

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Speaker 17: He was from Palm Beach, and so was Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 17: Jeffrey Epstein was a member at mar A Lago until

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Speaker 17: President Trump kicked him out because Jeffrey Epstein was a

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Speaker 17: pedophile and he was a creep in this email you

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Speaker 17: refer to with the name of a victim that was

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Speaker 17: unredacted now and has since been reported on in this room.

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Speaker 18: So I will go ahead and.

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Speaker 17: Say it, Virginia Guffrey, and God rest her soul, that

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Speaker 17: she maintained that there was nothing inappropriate. She ever witnessed

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Speaker 17: that President Trump was always extremely professional and friendly to her.

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Speaker 17: This administration has done more with respect to transparent and

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Speaker 17: see when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein than any administration ever.

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Speaker 4: Now they're talking.

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Speaker 17: About it all of a sudden because President Trump is

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Speaker 17: in the Oval office. But when Joe Biden was sitting

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Speaker 17: in there, the Democrats never brought this up. This wasn't

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Speaker 17: an issue that they cared about because they actually don't

657
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Speaker 17: care about the victims in these cases. They care about

658
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Speaker 17: trying to score political points against President Trump.

659
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and of course Joe Biden had nothing to do

660
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Speaker 9: with Jeffrey hits.

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Speaker 4: I understand it very so for Senior political correspondence seven

662
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Speaker 4: away from five, right. So the Germans walked in with goes, oh,

663
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Speaker 4: here's another poll for you, walked in with a bunch

664
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Speaker 4: of papers. I said, Oh, let me guess it's a

665
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Speaker 4: Talbot Mills poll. And what a surprise. Yes, once again,

666
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Speaker 4: the Talbot Mills poll is released the day after the

667
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Speaker 4: Taxpayer's Union Curier Pole showing a different result. So, according

668
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Speaker 4: to the Talbot Mills poll, the Labor Party is on

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Speaker 4: thirty eight percent, which is the highest it's been in

670
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Speaker 4: three years. And they are obviously attributing that to the

671
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Speaker 4: fact that we are so excited about the capital Games

672
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Speaker 4: tax announcement, they were all flocking to the Labor Party.

673
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Speaker 4: Here are the numbers. Labor's on thirty eight percent, up

674
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Speaker 4: three National is on thirty three percent, so trailing by

675
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Speaker 4: quite a bit up four. The Greens are on nine percent.

676
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Speaker 4: They've come back one. New Zealand First is on eight percent.

677
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: They've come back four. ACT is on seven percent. They've

678
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Speaker 4: come back one and the Maldi Party has lost a

679
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Speaker 4: third of its voter is on two point four. Now

680
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean like this is a little

681
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Speaker 4: bit less credible than the other pole, only because the

682
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Speaker 4: Taxpayers Union Cole poll suggested that where Labor was getting

683
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Speaker 4: its vote stealing votes from the Greens. Because you know

684
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Speaker 4: the Green voters love a tax. This one suggests they're

685
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Speaker 4: stealing votes from I don't know, New Zealand first. Do

686
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Speaker 4: New Zealand first. A New Zealand first vote is just

687
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: gagging for a capital gains tax. Probably not anyway, look for.

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Speaker 10: This in the future.

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Speaker 4: You'll set the little pattern repeating itself through time. Richard Chambers,

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Speaker 4: police Commissioner with US next miss.

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Speaker 16: For a new person over again.

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Speaker 1: Drive show you can truck to ask the question, you

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Speaker 1: get the answers and give the analysis. Here the duplicyl

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Speaker 1: and drive with one New Zealand and the power of

695
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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 2: There the.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. Police are today defending the fact that they are

698
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Speaker 4: still prosecuting the woman at the center of the Gevin

699
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 4: Mcskimming saga. Now it's not for the emails that she

700
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Speaker 4: sent him and other officials. Those charges have been dropped.

701
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Speaker 4: It's related to alleged harrising emails she later sent the

702
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Speaker 4: officer who originally arrested her, and also emails she allegedly

703
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Speaker 4: sent that officer's wife. Richard Chambers is the police commissioner

704
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Speaker 4: and with us High Richard, Hello Heather Richard. In some

705
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Speaker 4: people's eyes, this is not a good look for police.

706
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Speaker 4: Are you confident you're doing the right thing?

707
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Speaker 3: Well, look, we police have instructed as senior criminal barrister,

708
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Speaker 3: you know, to deal with us for police, and it's

709
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Speaker 3: obviously highly inappropriate for me to comment about it. You know,

710
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Speaker 3: some of the stuff that we've been dealing with this

711
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: weak relate to seeingior officers interfering in processes. But one

712
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: thing I can say heither is that, of course I

713
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: have reassured myself and assured myself that the proper processes

714
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: have been followed in bringing this case. So you know,

715
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Speaker 3: I've just got to let that take its course. It's

716
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Speaker 3: a judicial process and I cannot get involved.

717
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Speaker 4: What does it mean that you've hired a senior criminal barrister?

718
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Speaker 4: Does that mean it's been done independently of police?

719
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Speaker 3: Well, that does help. It's always good to have whilst

720
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: we've instructed a seeing your barrister, it's always good to

721
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: have that opinion across it as well. And that's the

722
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Speaker 3: right thing to do. To take it away from police,

723
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Speaker 3: albeit they are instructed on behalf of this, But take

724
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Speaker 3: it away now.

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Speaker 4: Are you telling me that this is a decisions are

726
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Speaker 4: being made about prosecution here by the barrister rather than

727
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Speaker 4: by officers.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not at all hither. No, I understand

729
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: that input was sought from independent people and on behalf

730
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Speaker 3: of Crown law. And you know that's the right thing

731
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Speaker 3: to do in a situation like this.

732
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Speaker 4: Do you mean it's like a second set of eyes

733
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Speaker 4: to say, yep, this this meets what a test it

734
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Speaker 4: needs to beat.

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely absolutely, that's the process. And that's that's what

736
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Speaker 3: I mean when I talk about seeking some assurance that

737
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Speaker 3: the proper processes have been followed, because look, I would

738
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Speaker 3: be very very concerned if proper process hadn't been followed,

739
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Speaker 3: because that's one of the things that I've been fronting

740
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Speaker 3: the media this week to just don't explain on my

741
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Speaker 3: in respect of my predecessors. So you know that we

742
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: have to be very very careful as we step through that,

743
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: and you can obviously.

744
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Speaker 4: Now look, please just feel free to say you can't

745
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Speaker 4: answer questions if you can't answer questions, but I am

746
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: going I'm going to try and ask you some questions, Okay.

747
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: So what I want to know is there will be

748
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Speaker 4: people who say that this woman should be let off

749
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Speaker 4: the hook because the reason that she is behaving the

750
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Speaker 4: way that she's allegedly behaving is because she's been driven

751
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Speaker 4: mad by police. What do you say to that?

752
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Speaker 3: Yes, look, I can't. I don't want to get drawn

753
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Speaker 3: into that, Heather, as much as I appreciate people will want.

754
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Speaker 4: You, can you tell me whether you've done a public like,

755
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Speaker 4: whether you've done a public interest test on prosecuting her?

756
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Speaker 3: Of course, is that that's that's absolutely that's the case.

757
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Speaker 3: That's very important when we make decisions around prosecution.

758
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Speaker 4: Have you investigated the allegations she made against Sheeva mc skimming,

759
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Speaker 4: the stuff about you know, wanting to blackmail who with

760
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Speaker 4: photos and stuff like that, Well.

761
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Speaker 3: That's all been part of the work that police has done.

762
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Speaker 3: Once in November last year, once everything was put in

763
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Speaker 3: place in the way that it should have been right

764
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Speaker 3: at the very beginning. Once that was done and there

765
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Speaker 3: was a lot of all the right things were put

766
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Speaker 3: in place, independent oversight from the i p C, a

767
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Speaker 3: support from Crown Law, all sorts of.

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Speaker 4: With any of that.

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Speaker 3: No, there are still aspects of that that are being

770
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Speaker 3: followed up, but the primary allegation has been dealt with

771
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Speaker 3: and the decision balancing that against.

772
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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 4: Guys are obviously still looking into the stuff about him

774
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: using his credit card and all that kind of like

775
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: police problems, police policy. But what about the criminal stuff

776
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: that she's alleged. Has that been in charge?

777
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Yes, of, very very thoroughly. That's what that's what was

778
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: put in place in November last year, when it was

779
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: done properly, Once we put the proper things.

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Speaker 4: In place, Richard cans can I say no charges have

781
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 4: come about as a result of her allegations against him

782
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: read the criminal stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that decision and we've said that publicly. That has

784
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: come out earlier that that those decisions have been made.

785
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: Once the thorough investigation was completed. And independent advice was

786
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: sought and taken them. That has all been part of

787
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: the decision, maybe to ensure that.

788
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Speaker 4: Is it because there wasn't enough evidence or because it

789
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't want to I cannot comment on the

791
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: detail of that either. I'm sorry. I appreciate this interest,

792
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: but I can't. I can't comment on that.

793
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: Okay, do you intend because look, there are a bunch

794
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 4: of police officers here who have been been implicated in

795
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 4: the IPCA report, but who have gone on to retire.

796
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: A couple of them, ones gone off to work at

797
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 4: the CIA, just basically got on with their lives. Are

798
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: you going to investigate them or is someone going to

799
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: investigate them with you to potentially charging them.

800
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: Either. Look at if they were still members of the

801
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: New Zealand Police then obviously employment investgations would be a consideration.

802
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: But when you're no longer a member of police, that's

803
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: not possible. But that said, we are progressing with three

804
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: employment investigations at the moment. If we identified if something

805
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: was identified of a criminal nature on the face of it, yes,

806
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: of course we would do that, whether you're a member

807
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 3: of police or not.

808
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: Is this not perversion of the course of justice.

809
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: Well, I have already asked for my specialist investigators with

810
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: senior oversight to have a look at that because I

811
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Speaker 3: want to be reassured that there's nothing more to see here.

812
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: So I've asked that. I haven't got that answer yet

813
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: because they'll just take a little bit while for right.

814
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: So they're having a look at it, and as a

815
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Speaker 4: result of what they determine, there may be charges in

816
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: an investigation, or they may not.

817
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: If it suggested that there's something that we may need

818
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: to look at here, then of course we would do

819
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: that because that's our job.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now what about the pensions, right, because Geevin mcskimming

821
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: is going to be on a sweet little wicket the

822
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 4: rest of his life as a result of working for

823
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: the cops. Can you take that often?

824
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: No, it's not something that I can do. It's not

825
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: it's not what I do as a Commissioner of Police.

826
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Speaker 3: It's not my jurisdiction. So no, I can't. Well, it's

827
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Speaker 3: certainly not the places. I mean, we have it. We

828
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: have a very good pension scheme in police, but it's

829
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 3: not it's not managed and led by police. It's for police.

830
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: It's not those guys who do the MP pay? Is

831
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 4: it the rem authority? Is it them?

832
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: No, it's a police super How much does he do

833
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: to get I wouldn't have a clue either. Actually, I

834
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 3: don't really care, to be honest, It's not my problem.

835
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Speaker 3: He's moved on from the police. That's a good thing.

836
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: I feel like you have enough to care about at

837
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: the moment. How about your speeding fine.

838
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn't Wasn't that a shocker? Look a lot

839
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: of people have had a laugh at my expense, Heather,

840
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with that. I've owned it. You know,

841
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: it shouldn't have happened. I felt terrible because I put

842
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: my colleagues in that position. But you know, hey, on

843
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: these things right.

844
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: Is it true? Then you were cruising down the road

845
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: and you saw the lights behind you and you pulled

846
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: over to let them through, and was surprised when they

847
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: pulled over behind you.

848
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: Yes, it absolutely was here. The Yes, I was going

849
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: about my daily duties and pulled over to do the

850
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: right thing. It's what you do when you see lights

851
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: and signs behind you, and was a little bit shocked

852
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: when they pulled them behind me.

853
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: I thought, now, you know how the rest of us

854
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: feel yes, yes, yes, not good.

855
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: But anyway, there's only one person to blame and that's

856
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: must up.

857
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: Too, right Richard, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Richard Chambers,

858
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Speaker 4: Police Commissioner, fourteen past five. Hey, you'll remember I was

859
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: telling you to jump on the YouTube last week, right

860
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: and get the pricing for the new byds that are

861
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: going to be released next year. Well, if you got

862
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: on the channel, you don't need me to tell you

863
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: the prices are amazing. But for anyone who missed out

864
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: here they are. This is the good bit. By the way,

865
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: this is the best. But I reckon twenty nine, nine

866
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 4: hundred and ninety dollars plus on road costs will get

867
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: you a brand new Atto one. Now, the Atto one

868
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: is a cool car because this has been recognized as

869
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: one of Time's Best Inventions of twenty twenty five. Yes,

870
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: that time the time, and also, by the way, it's

871
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 4: got a five star safety rating which makes it I think,

872
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: exceptional value. Then you've got the slightly bigger one, the

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Speaker 2: Dealer Heather D plus c Allen Heather.

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Speaker 4: I like this guy, that's Richard Chambers. He seems honest.

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Speaker 4: Well that's that's quite a compliment given what's been going

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Speaker 4: on with the honesty and other police officers. Eighteen past five.

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Speaker 4: Now David Seymour is blaming striking teachers for a drop

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Speaker 4: in school attendance. Here reckons attendance was on track to

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Speaker 4: be one percent higher than last year, but because of

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Speaker 4: the strikes, it's now down one percent on last year. Now,

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Speaker 4: Kathy Chambers are charmers rather rather is the principle of

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Speaker 4: Green Meadows Intermediate and the head of Monye were attendant

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Speaker 4: servicing with us. Now, Hi, Kathy, Hi there, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm very well. Thank you.

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Speaker 19: As David right, Well, I don't want to challenge whether

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Speaker 19: he's right or wrong, but what I would say is

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Speaker 19: that typically the last week of the term, attendance is

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Speaker 19: historically the patent drops. But also I think we need

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Speaker 19: to remember that parents are the ones who are legally

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Speaker 19: responsible for their child's attendance.

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Speaker 4: And this sounds like he's right, doesn't it.

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Speaker 19: No, what I was actually going to say was blaming

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Speaker 19: it on the teacher's participating in a lawful strike is

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Speaker 19: a bit disingenuous because, in my opinion, first off, attendance

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Speaker 19: isn't recorded on those days, so the days themselves would

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Speaker 19: have had no impact on attendance. And the second thing

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Speaker 19: is that if a parent lets their child stay home

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Speaker 19: for other days, you know that's a parent parental choice.

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Speaker 19: Not right, but it's a little bit tricky blaming that

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Speaker 19: on teaching.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but I so can I take from what you've

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Speaker 4: said that given that we don't count a strike day

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Speaker 4: as an attendance a lack of attendance, we would though,

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Speaker 4: so we wouldn't count that Thursday, but we would count

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Speaker 4: the friday between the strike and labor weekend, and that

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Speaker 4: friday whole bunch of kids didn't turn up and that Friday,

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Speaker 4: that that.

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Speaker 19: Day, historically, I can speak in our area, I can

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Speaker 19: speak for my school historically, that last day before the

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Speaker 19: long weekend, we get a lot of students not turning

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Speaker 19: up to school. Okay, So I just think it's a

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Speaker 19: little bit disingenuous what I do know, And I'm remember

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Speaker 19: it's only secondary schools that were on strike at that time.

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Speaker 19: There were no primary schools on strike in the last

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Speaker 19: week of two So the data really only reflect that

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Speaker 19: he's referring to is only relevant to the secondary school

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Speaker 19: secondary schools, primary schools were at school. And the other

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Speaker 19: thing you know this he has acknowledged the high levels

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Speaker 19: of illness that happened in term three and that would

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Speaker 19: have had a significant impact on data as well.

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Speaker 4: Kathy, Look, it's good to talk to you. I really

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Speaker 4: appreciate your time, as Kathy Charmers, who is the Green

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Speaker 4: Meadows Intermediate School lead principle of the Manyeua Attendance Service

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Speaker 4: as well. Five twenty one. Right, let's talk next about

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Speaker 4: whether we need another investigation into these cops.

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Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion here the dupis el and drive

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Speaker 1: with one new Zealand tand of power of satellite mobile

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Speaker 1: news dogs.

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Speaker 4: That'd be five twenty four now apropos what I was

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Speaker 4: just talking to the Police commissioner about. I don't think

941
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Speaker 4: this IPCA report can be the end of the matter

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Speaker 4: with these police officer. I think they have to be investigated,

943
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Speaker 4: and I'm I'm not talking about another inquiry. I feel

944
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Speaker 4: like I know enough from the IPCA report to know

945
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Speaker 4: what's pretty much gone down here. What I would like

946
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Speaker 4: to see is an investigation to determine where the charges

947
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Speaker 4: need to be laid, because I want to know if

948
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Speaker 4: these guys broke the law, and if they did, I

949
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Speaker 4: want to know that they will be charged. And I'm

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Speaker 4: very pleased to hear Richard Chambers say they have already

951
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Speaker 4: got officers starting this and looking at this because right now,

952
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Speaker 4: unless of course, something changes, not all of them, but

953
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Speaker 4: some of them are just going to get away without

954
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Speaker 4: any consequences for what is being called a cover up.

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Speaker 4: Tanya Kuta, for example, former Deputy Commissioner, She kept worrying

956
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Speaker 4: about the impact the allegations would have on ck Skimming's career.

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Speaker 4: She kept mix Skimming up to date on investigations into

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Speaker 4: the emails She is the one that Costa wanted as

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Speaker 4: the only other person along with himself, to investigate the

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Speaker 4: woman's complaints. She visited MC skimming at his house after

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Speaker 4: he was charged with having kiddy porn. She just got

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Speaker 4: to retire from the job and walk away this year

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Speaker 4: Former Assistant Commissioner Paul Basham, who the IPCA report says

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Speaker 4: was unreasonably preoccupied, excuse me, with making sure that MC

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Speaker 4: skimming was not unfairly disadvantaged and trying to get the

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Speaker 4: commissioner's job, and who another junior officer said, seemed focused

967
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Speaker 4: on getting this out of the way so MC skimming

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Speaker 4: could apply for the commissioner's role. He just got to

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Speaker 4: resign from the job this year and walk away. And

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Speaker 4: Andrew Costa, who's the man at the center of all

971
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Speaker 4: of this. Yes, he will lose his government job, but

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Speaker 4: again after that, he's just gonna walk away with all

973
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Speaker 4: that money. This is the most serious thing to happen

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Speaker 4: to the police in decades. It is as serious as

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Speaker 4: the Louis Nicholas allegations in its own way because of

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Speaker 4: how far up it goes, and that alone means the

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Speaker 4: police at the center of this must be investigated so

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Speaker 4: that if they did wrong deliberately, they are punished like

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Speaker 4: anyone would be, and if their only crime was believing

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Speaker 4: a liar's story, then they are vindicated. Either way, it

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Speaker 4: suits everyone to have an investigation. Here together do for

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Speaker 4: see Ellen, he the good on Chambers. He sounds authentic.

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Speaker 4: No word salid employed here.

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Speaker 6: Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: Thank you Hugh for that text. I feel like every

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Speaker 4: time somebody comes on this show and actually just answers

987
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Speaker 4: and talks like a normal human being, And can I

988
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Speaker 4: say it's the same for Brian Roach this morning with Mike.

989
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Speaker 4: I was listening to him thinking how refreshing to just

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Speaker 4: hear a normal human being talk on the radio. Every

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Speaker 4: time somebody does that, I think we have to give

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Speaker 4: them a shout out so that the people who don't

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Speaker 4: do that just get it, like, go, oh, is that

994
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Speaker 4: what it sounds like to sound like a normal person.

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Speaker 4: So we just kind of encourage, you know, through incentives.

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Speaker 4: You know, you do that with Toddler's you go, oh,

997
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Speaker 4: look at how good that person's being. Then hopefully the

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Speaker 4: Toddler will be like that too. We're going to use

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Speaker 4: the same theory with people who appear on the radio.

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Speaker 4: Listen there's something very cool that's happening outside of Wellington

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Speaker 4: at the moment. Gareth Morgan, me old mate, is building

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Speaker 4: a sculpture park in the land near Transmission Gully because

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Speaker 4: he you'll know this about him, loaded, just absolutely loaded.

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Speaker 4: And so he's bought himself a golf I remember when

1005
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Speaker 4: he got into this thing, you're a buying golf course.

1006
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Speaker 4: Then they brought himself a golf course. And now he

1007
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Speaker 4: appears to be just like going nuts over there. And

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Speaker 4: if you're driving around to Transmission Gully you can actually

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Speaker 4: see some of his sculptures. There's a giant orange park bench.

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Speaker 4: That is what he's into, right, So he's got eight

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Speaker 4: sculptures already. He's going to buy some more and then

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Speaker 4: in spring he's going to open a giant sculpture trail

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Speaker 4: for everybody to be able to enjoy. Now knowing Gareth

1014
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Speaker 4: and his wife Joe eclictic doesn't do them. Eclictic is

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Speaker 4: not a word that goes far enough for how loopy

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Speaker 4: these two can be and how zany and how fun

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Speaker 4: they are. So trust me, it will be fun when

1018
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Speaker 4: it happens. What a great idea and how good of

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Speaker 4: him to do that. Right, we'll get to the Epstein stuff.

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Speaker 1: Next, News talks the Bay digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather, duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: Just out on banking. If the bank profits are making

1025
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Speaker 4: you feel squeamish, you might be pleased to know that

1026
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Speaker 4: the government has announced it's going to act on all

1027
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Speaker 4: nineteen recommendations from Parliament's Banking inquiry. But what you may

1028
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Speaker 4: also be unhappy to know is that so what's not

1029
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Speaker 4: going to do there anything? We're going to talk to

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Speaker 4: Kent Dunstan, who's with the Banking Reform Coalition? After six

1031
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Speaker 4: o'clock the huddles standing by twenty four away from six

1032
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: right now. Now, the longest shutdown in United States history

1033
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Speaker 4: is over. Congress's voted to end it. Trump assigned the paperwork.

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Speaker 4: But Trump's got a new problem. Emails have been released

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Speaker 4: proving he is in the Epstein files. Bo ericson a

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Speaker 4: is Reutter's US politics correspondent High bo Hello, Now what

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Speaker 4: we've seen in these emails doesn't look particularly incriminating for Trump,

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Speaker 4: does it.

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Speaker 20: So there were a lot of emails released today by Democrats.

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Speaker 20: And that is important to note because it is a

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Speaker 20: political act of releasing these emails. It is from the

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Speaker 20: opposing party of President Trump. He's with the Republicans. These

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Speaker 20: are from the Democrats. And so when we are looking

1044
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Speaker 20: through some of these emails today, there are some, you know,

1045
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Speaker 20: maybe more juicier tidbits, but it's important to note that

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Speaker 20: there is a lack of contact with a lot of

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Speaker 20: these emails. Or it's not immediately clear what Epstein or

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Speaker 20: Glenn Maxwell, his girlfriend who is no serving a twenty

1049
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Speaker 20: year prison sentence, trying to facilitate these sex crimes. It's

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Speaker 20: not really clear what they are talking about. So the

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Speaker 20: White House is saying that this is a political stunt,

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Speaker 20: but the Democrats are moving forward on another procedural process

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Speaker 20: as well.

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Speaker 4: So bo probably the most incriminating thing is the email

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Speaker 4: that said redected persons spent hours at my house with him,

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Speaker 4: being Donald Trump, and that would be Virginia Giufry apparently,

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Speaker 4: But Virginia Giufray has herself said Donald Trump did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: So even the most incriminating thing is not particularly incriminating.

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Speaker 20: Is it, Yes, And that is what Republicans are really

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Speaker 20: latching on to today. This story definitely has gotten a

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Speaker 20: lot of tension in the United States. We have members

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Speaker 20: of Congress who are just wrapped with going after this subject.

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Speaker 20: But it is also not new that President Trump knew

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Speaker 20: Jeffrey Epstein. That has been out in the ether. What

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Speaker 20: is new is this kind of rip drip drip of

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Speaker 20: just some of these emails. You know, there also is

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Speaker 20: a question about some type of credibility here. This is

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Speaker 20: Epstein in some of these emails, seeing some pretty gross things.

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Speaker 20: Try it on, must rationalize some of his crimes. And

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Speaker 20: you know there is another person involved in these emails,

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Speaker 20: an American author whose work has really been questioned by

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Speaker 20: an independent journalist for years.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you'll be talking with Michael Wolfe. Okay, bo listen,

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Speaker 4: thanks very much appreciated, bo Erickson, Reuter's US political correspondent.

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Speaker 4: If you've been waiting, by the way, if you've been

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Speaker 4: waiting for me to get stuck into Simon Watts, and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get stuck into Simon Watts. I have

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Speaker 4: to do it before six o'clock five. It's twenty two

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Speaker 4: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 4: On the huddle with me this evening, we have Bridget

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Speaker 4: Morton of Frank's Ogilvy and Phil Goff, former labor leader

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Speaker 4: and mayor of Auckland, amongst other things.

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Speaker 13: Hi you too, good day.

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Speaker 4: Now, Bridget, you're a lawyer, So tell me. Are you

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 4: comfortable with police pressing new charges against the woman at

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00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: the scene or the mix skimming case?

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Speaker 7: No?

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00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 18: And I think this shows an inherent flaw in this

1092
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 18: piece of legislation that it can often be used and

1093
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 18: weaponized against speech that we do think is true or

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00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 18: needs to be public interest or you know, shouldn't be

1095
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 18: punishable in this way. And I think it gives us

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00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 18: a really good opportunity to re look at that legislation

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00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 18: and really determine actually whether or not it's actually helping

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00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 18: us or harming us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so is your problem actually more with the legislation

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00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: than anything the fact it exists?

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00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 18: Well, I think the fact that the way the legislation

1102
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 18: is drafted clearly demonstrates that it can be used in

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00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 18: this way. I think we do want to have protections

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00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 18: for people from online harm. I think there's a lot

1105
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 18: of bad things that can occur in that way. But obviously,

1106
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 18: when you've got an organization like this can use it

1107
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 18: basically to cover up in a way to intimidate, it

1108
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 18: shows that the legislation is not such a purpose.

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Speaker 4: But what about the fact bridget that. I mean, we

1110
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: don't know what she says. So the charges against the

1111
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: mix skimming email charges have been dropped, but these are

1112
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 4: fresh emails allegedly sent to a police officer and his wife.

1113
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: We don't know what was in them. That maybe whatever

1114
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: is said and it may not be true, right, So

1115
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: in that case, would that be fair?

1116
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1117
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 18: I think there is obviously a line that needs to

1118
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 18: be determined. But when you think about the wider context,

1119
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 18: what we want is a situation where people can speak

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00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 18: up against power and can speak up when they are

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00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 18: in a situation. And it may be sometimes that what's

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00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 18: the content of those emails may not be comfortable to

1123
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 18: us or may be seen this pushing too far, But

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00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 18: that's what we ask from our activists, from the people

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00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 18: that actually make change in this world.

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00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you reckon film?

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00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, she may well have been abusive in the

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00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 13: ten emails she sent to the police, officer and his

1129
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 13: wife that was responsible for the prosecution against her. But

1130
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 13: you've got to see it within the context of the

1131
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 13: fact that she was not being listened to, clearly under

1132
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 13: the influence of nick skimming. It looked very much like

1133
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 13: the police were protecting their own And you know, was

1134
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 13: she angryuse she was angry, and she had every right

1135
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 13: to be angry. I think in the overall context of

1136
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 13: the damage that was done to her by the failure

1137
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 13: to treat her fairly overwhelms the charge against her that

1138
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 13: she may have been abusive to the detective and his

1139
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 13: wife that were responsible for prosecuting her.

1140
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: Okay, do you want to see an investigation to determine

1141
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 4: whether something illegal has been done by these officers, phil.

1142
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: Well?

1143
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 13: I think the officers that are still in the police,

1144
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 13: their careers will now be in jeopardy. They'll have no

1145
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 13: future in the police. And the officers, including Andy Costa,

1146
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 13: that now hold positions outside of police but still within

1147
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 13: the public service, are not likely to be holding onto

1148
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 13: those positions given the damaging the damage to their reputation

1149
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 13: caused by what they did wrong. I don't know that

1150
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 13: it coruption.

1151
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 18: I know that the.

1152
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 13: Minister said that if it walks like a duck and

1153
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 13: quacks like a duck and then it is a duck.

1154
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 13: I think it's just seriously bad misjudgment on the part

1155
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 13: of Andy Costa. And here's a price to pay for that.

1156
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 4: What do you reckon bridge? Should there be an investigation?

1157
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 18: I think what needs to happen now is the police

1158
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 18: need to rebuild some of the trust. I think that

1159
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 18: you know, most New Zealanders will look at this and

1160
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 18: be horrified that this is the police force that is

1161
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 18: meant to uphold the integrity and standards of our society.

1162
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 18: I think for them to be able to clear their names,

1163
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 18: they have to do that investigation, regardless of whether or

1164
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 18: not it actually results in charges, because I think that

1165
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 18: will help demonstrate that they're actually turning over every stone

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00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 18: and taking every effort possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because because the argument that you're making there, basically

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00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: bridget is the old were they bad or just exercising

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00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: bad judgment?

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00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: And you'd almost need an investigation to determine that, wouldn't you.

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 18: Yeah, Otherwise there are things to be being able to

1173
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 18: apply that judgment again to that question, and of course

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 18: that's not going to help rebuild any of that trust.

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00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: I felt on this pension thing. The Herald is estimated

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: that Gevin mcskimming may get a pension of worth like

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Speaker 4: a million bucks or something. Is Richard Chambers right that

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00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 4: there's nothing that can be done to take the pension

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00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 4: off him.

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Speaker 13: I think he is right. He's done. Mc skimming did

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00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 13: twenty nine years with the police under the Police super scheme,

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Speaker 13: so he's contributed to it, and the police have contributed

1183
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 13: their share to it. And I don't think our justice

1184
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 13: system enables us to take account of bad acts by

1185
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 13: people and denying them the money that they've put into

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00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 13: a personal super scheme. You know, I think he had

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00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 13: opened up a real can of worms if you were

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 13: to do that. Although every instinct in your body said,

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00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 13: this guy was being paid half a million a year

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00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 13: and spending work time on his work computer watching Kenny

1191
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 13: child porn and bestiality, you're kind of your rage that

1192
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 13: you know, this very senior person being paid so much. Yeah,

1193
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 13: was doing this in breach of the law. Say, how

1194
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 13: the hell can we remedy that and get some justice?

1195
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 13: But I think that under the current law, I don't

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 13: think that's possible. And before you changed that law, you'd

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00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 13: have to think of all the repercussions of so doing fair.

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00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 4: Point, Bridget listen, is it obvious to you like it

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Speaker 4: feels obvious to me that the leak of that, the

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Speaker 4: fact that we know that Richard Chamber has got a

1201
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: speeding ticket, is a strategic leak to show that he

1202
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: is not made of the same stuff as these other cops.

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00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 21: Yeah.

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00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 18: Absolutely, And I think talking about that in the in

1205
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 18: his speech, his graduation speech, demonstrates that he wants to

1206
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 18: re really avert that he is different to these other

1207
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 18: police officers, and I appaud him for that. I think

1208
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 18: this is you know, he made a mistake and he

1209
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 18: owned up to it.

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah too, right, Okay, we'll take a break, come back

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 4: to you guys shortly. Bridget Molton, Phil GoF are huddle

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00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

1214
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: only truly global brand.

1215
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Speaker 4: Right back of the huddle Feel Golf and Bridget Molton, Well,

1216
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 4: I want your take on the truancy. Is the drop

1217
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 4: in attendance this year the fault of the teachers who

1218
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 4: did the strike on a Thursday or the parents who

1219
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: decided not to put their kids in school on the

1220
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: Friday thereafter.

1221
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 13: Well, I suspect strongly it's the latter, because leaving aside

1222
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 13: the teachers strike that week, if you look back at

1223
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 13: the history of truancy, you find that on the last

1224
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 13: day of term the school attendants of kids drops, and

1225
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 13: not even on the last day, not even on the friday.

1226
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 13: It's the Thursday and Friday. And some of that is

1227
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 13: families just deciding, well, we're going to go away for

1228
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 13: holidays for the school holidays, and we won't book on

1229
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 13: the Saturday because affairs are really expensive during school holidays,

1230
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 13: so we'll go before the end of the school year.

1231
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 13: I think it feels to me.

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Speaker 3: A bit like a bit of cheap politics, actually, And.

1233
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Speaker 13: There's one other thing I'd want to pick up, you know,

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 13: David semil was blaming the teachers' unions. That kind of

1235
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 13: implies that the teachers are all cheap and don't make

1236
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 13: their own mind up. The decision to strike was a

1237
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 13: decision and taken by the teachers, so let's not do

1238
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 13: the union bashing thing. If you don't like it and

1239
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 13: you want to blame somebody for it, then you've got

1240
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 13: to say, well, it's the teachers that made that decision,

1241
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 13: don't bring them literally the red hearing of saying it's

1242
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 13: the unions that are to blame. But the teachers are

1243
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 13: really decent people, but they're being led astray by their union.

1244
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 13: I think that's nonsense as well.

1245
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: I Bridget. I've been very irritated by that strike, but

1246
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 4: I think that the teachers might be right on this account.

1247
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: It's actually the parents fault.

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean, ultimately parents are sponsorbily to get their

1249
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 18: kids to school, and then teachers to teaching when they're there.

1250
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 18: So I think that's true. I mean, without a doubt

1251
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 18: there are some parents who saw that as an opportunity

1252
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 18: to take the friday who might have taken it otherwise,

1253
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 18: but yet ultimately for into responsibility totally.

1254
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: Now Bridget on the key we save it for kids idea,

1255
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: good idea or bad idea.

1256
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 18: I really enjoy and appreciate sort of ideas to get

1257
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 18: more of our kids saving and more financially literate. But

1258
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 18: I think giving them a handout at birth when they've

1259
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 18: got no ability to actually think about investment, I don't

1260
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 18: think that really achieves it. And then ultimately just incentivizing

1261
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 18: parents to contribute to that so that it'll be parents

1262
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 18: that can.

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: A clever way bridget of us getting out of the

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: pension one day.

1265
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 18: Well, I think more there's more settings that we can

1266
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 18: deal with. And I think the government's changes to aid

1267
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 18: funding to literacy to the education curriculum.

1268
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: Was really important.

1269
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 18: But also that change they made that employer contributions for

1270
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 18: sixteen and seventeen year olds I think is really important

1271
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 18: because that's actually been young people actually engaged with Kiwi

1272
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 18: Saver for the first time, and that actually devised them

1273
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 18: a real incentive to actually put the money away and

1274
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 18: start that habit, which been encouragement to continue it. I

1275
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 18: think those things are much more important.

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01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: Than hand out the baby, right, babies.

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01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 4: That is what it is though, isn't it.

1278
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, Look, I tend to agree. I like the

1279
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 13: idea of kids being encouraged to save, and that's that's great.

1280
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 13: But if it's not the kids saving at that point,

1281
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 13: it's the parents putting the money in, and you know,

1282
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 13: then the government, I think the idea was to match

1283
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 13: the parents' contribution. What that might end up being is

1284
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 13: a bit of a social welfare system for the middle

1285
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 13: income people, because those who can't afford to save won't

1286
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 13: be able to do it, and we're giving more money

1287
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 13: to people from middle.

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: Income background who arguably don't need it.

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Speaker 4: It also like, I mean, what is going on here, right,

1290
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 4: We're constantly abdicating pair rental responsibility to the state. Whatever

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01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 4: happened to going and buying a money box in the

1292
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: shape of a dinosaur and giving the kid a couple

1293
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: of bucks for doing something good and you teach a

1294
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: child that way.

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 11: Phil, Yeah, well I'd be in favor of that.

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 4: Did you do your kids?

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Speaker 13: I don't. I don't think we opened a bank account

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 13: for them.

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01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: You have the money box though, Yeah, yeah, we.

1300
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 13: Always had the money box, and you know that was

1301
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 13: that was a bit of fun for the kids, and

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Speaker 13: you know, if they did something good, you could say, well,

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Speaker 13: we're going to put some money in your money box.

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Speaker 13: And there was probably just coins. It wasn't a huge

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Speaker 13: amount of money, but it was. It was a symbolic thing.

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Speaker 13: And in the old days, of course, you used to

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Speaker 13: be you know, you join your kids up to the

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Speaker 13: post Offfice savings bank and you know, you go along

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Speaker 13: and you're did in.

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Speaker 4: The nineteenth century, wasn't it, Bridgie good Bridget you would.

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Speaker 13: Have had Victoria.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bridget, you would have had the ASB elephant, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 18: No, I'm not quite that young, but I mean it's

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Speaker 18: not Bridget in the early forties.

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Speaker 4: So elephant, what are you talking about? And you got

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Speaker 4: the little book and then you had to write your

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Speaker 4: deposits it like you had to do it manually with

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Speaker 4: a pen.

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Speaker 2: You didn't do that.

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Speaker 18: Well, Look, clearly I was deprived of that. But I

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Speaker 18: mean I definitely had a money box. But interestingly, we

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Speaker 18: recently tried to buy a money box for my nephew.

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Speaker 18: He's six years old. They're not actually easy to come

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Speaker 18: by anymore. I don't think they're as popular as they

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Speaker 18: used to be.

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Speaker 4: Did you google it?

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Speaker 22: I think google it.

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Speaker 18: We tried the old session, you know, a shop local

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Speaker 18: economy approach.

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Speaker 4: You got to google it. Hey, guys, thanks for Bridget.

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Speaker 4: Go away and google it now and then text me

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Speaker 4: when you found it. You will have found it within

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Speaker 4: ten seconds. Bridget Morton, Frank's Ogilby and Phil GoF, former

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Speaker 4: labor leader and mayor of Aucklandship didn't get the elephant.

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Speaker 4: Everybody got the elephant, didn't we.

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Speaker 18: You know, I love it.

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Speaker 4: They came around with a little and your little baggy.

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Speaker 4: Everybody got that.

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Speaker 15: I had the National Bank horse, Heather, and then I

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Speaker 15: had the National Bank cricket ball.

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Speaker 4: Do you still bank with National Bank?

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Speaker 15: I mean, technically I do with A and Z with

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Speaker 15: a National Bank.

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Speaker 4: I got the ASB Elephant, and I still bank with ASB.

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Speaker 4: And you even had that four ant and yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I hussed around. I went to Kiwi Bank, and I

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Speaker 4: went to A and Z and I came back to

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Speaker 4: ASB because that's what happens. Get them young ands, and

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Speaker 4: I approve of it. That's a pattern right there. Eight

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Speaker 4: away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Ard Radio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Heather, most kids now want to be paid in roebucks?

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Speaker 4: Did I pronounce it right?

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Speaker 10: Ants?

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Speaker 4: Roebucks? Roebucks? Thank you, Tess. Hither, it's not a money box,

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Speaker 4: it's called a peggy bank. Hither I'm over fifty and

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Speaker 4: they had the ASB Elephant money box back then. Hither

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Speaker 4: the money jar encourages This is a fair point. The

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Speaker 4: money jar encourages saving, but it does encourage investing, and

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Speaker 4: the latter is far more important for creating wealth. That's

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Speaker 4: actually a fair point. Right here we go, Simon Watts.

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Speaker 4: I oh, Simon, or away from sex. This better not happen.

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Speaker 4: So Climate Change Minister Simon Watts has spoken to the

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Speaker 4: media and reckons that he's put in place mechanisms and

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Speaker 4: deals to be able to quickly begin buying overseas carbon

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Speaker 4: credits to meet the Paris Agreement climate obligations for the

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Speaker 4: country if needed. And if he does need to buy

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Speaker 4: some carbon credits and plant some trees overseas, he would

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Speaker 4: be buying in countries like Thailand and Philippines. He had

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Speaker 4: better not do this. I hope he is just stringing

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Speaker 4: the media along because the last estimation I saw for

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Speaker 4: how much it's going to cost us to meet our

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Speaker 4: climate obligations are buy these offshore carbon credits is twenty

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Speaker 4: four billion New Zealand dollars and that's before the inflation

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Speaker 4: rarely took hold and went nut. So on us. Now

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Speaker 4: that's twenty four billion dollars you designed for yourself. Do

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Speaker 4: you want to spend twenty four billion dollars planting trees

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Speaker 4: and Thailand and Philippines in order to bring down our emissions,

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Speaker 4: offset our emissions, or would you rather spend twenty four

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Speaker 4: billion dollars building a hospital in your town, building some rows,

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01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: building some schools, employing some nurses, and do you know

1383
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like this is money that we could

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Speaker 4: actually use to make our lives demonstrably better, or we

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 4: could just send it overseas to third world countries and

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Speaker 4: just kind of cross our fingers and hope that plants

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Speaker 4: some trees. He better not do that. And also what

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Speaker 4: happened to him saying to the farmers the other day

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Speaker 4: that he wasn't going to be doing this. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: gonna happen. So what's going on we do on the

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Speaker 4: all fork tongue thing? Anyway, we were hoping that Nikola

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Speaker 4: would come on the show today and then I was

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Speaker 4: going to ask her about the banking, and then I

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Speaker 4: was going to ask her about this, but Nicholas is

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Speaker 4: very busy today. But that's okay because we always have

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Speaker 4: Monday when Nichola is going to be with us as

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Speaker 4: the Finance Minister, and you can absolutely beat your bottom

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Speaker 4: dollar we're talking about this. Anyway, Let's talk about the

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Speaker 4: banking next news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 1: If we're Business meets Insight, the business out with Heather

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01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen and Mass motor vehicle Insurance.

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01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands. News Talks. There'd be.

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Speaker 4: Evening coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay is

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01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 4: at the Canterbury amp Show. Sam Dicky's going to talk

1405
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 4: us through Golden end of Brady is going to talk

1406
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 4: us through how much trouble Star is in seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you've been looking at the huge profits the big

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Speaker 4: banks west Pac and A and Z have been reporting

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Speaker 4: in the last couple of weeks and you've had raised eyebrows,

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Speaker 4: you may be pleased to know the Government has agreed

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Speaker 4: to act on all nineteen recommendations from Parliament's recent banking inquiry,

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Speaker 4: But you may be disappointed to know it's all pretty

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Speaker 4: low level stuff. Ken Dustin from the Banking Reform Coalition

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Speaker 4: is with us High Kent Evening Heather's is actually going

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Speaker 4: to make a difference.

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Speaker 21: Well, look, these aren't bad recommendations. In full marks to

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Speaker 21: the Government for adopting everything that's come out of the

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Speaker 21: Select Committee. I mean it's a good step, right, it's

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Speaker 21: not going to hurt. But you know, as you said

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Speaker 21: in your intro, I think the big issue here is

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Speaker 21: that the banks simply don't care whatever Parliament says. You know,

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Speaker 21: we've got we're on the back of an inquiry from

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Speaker 21: the Commerce Commission, another inquiry from Parliament from the Select Committee,

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Speaker 21: and you here is Westpac cranking its profits up thirteen

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Speaker 21: percent and A and Z cranking them up a full

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Speaker 21: twenty one percent. So whatever it is that Parliament's saying,

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Speaker 21: I mean, including their banks aren't listening.

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Speaker 4: Now, is there What of the recommendations which do you

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Speaker 4: think may be the most effective in doing something here?

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Speaker 21: Well, as I said, none of them are bad, but

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Speaker 21: what they're going to need to be effective is legislative teeth.

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Speaker 21: So the thing that we're really keen on is the

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Speaker 21: changes that they're making to payments end Z and in

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Speaker 21: Payments in Z really is the gateway to open banking.

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Speaker 21: It's the reason that we don't have, for instance, real

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Speaker 21: time transactions moving between banks in New Zealand the same

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Speaker 21: way that practically every other civilized country in the OECD does.

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Speaker 21: And so the recommendation is that well, Payments in Z

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Speaker 21: needs to reform its governance. It's not a bad step,

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Speaker 21: but fundamentally that's going to have to get backed up

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Speaker 21: with legislation and probably sooner rather than later, and that

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Speaker 21: means taking the power to block open banking off the

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Speaker 21: banks and legislating for it exactly the same way as

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Speaker 21: we legislated for the breakup of Telecom New Zealand years ago.

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Speaker 4: I think that open banking is that much of a

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Speaker 4: game changer, because last I saw in Australia, and to

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Speaker 4: be fair, it's been a while now, but last I

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Speaker 4: saw in Australia, it really hasn't changed the game much.

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Speaker 21: Well, the big issue is competition, or the complete lack thereof.

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Speaker 21: You know, we've got the major four banks, you know,

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Speaker 21: depending on which market you look at, round about ninety

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Speaker 21: percent market share. And the only way we can change

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Speaker 21: that is by getting new banks in. And by new

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Speaker 21: banks we don't mean those old traditional high street banks.

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Speaker 21: What we mean are these nimble FinTechs who can start

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Speaker 21: offering those kind of products. But without open banking, it's

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Speaker 21: all dead in the water.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So how much of a game changer is

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Speaker 4: open banking?

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Speaker 21: Open banking can be a huge game changer, and there

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Speaker 21: are some really nimble FinTechs out there who are poised

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Speaker 21: to do things, but as it stands, without legislation, without

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Speaker 21: Parliament saying yeah, we want this thing, we want to

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Speaker 21: get going on it really quickly, and we want to

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Speaker 21: put some hard deadlines for the banks to step up.

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Speaker 21: Then really, you know, we'll still be having this conversation

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Speaker 21: in five years time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So if what I'm feeling right now is disappointment,

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Speaker 4: that would be that would be a fair reaction.

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Speaker 21: I think just about everybody in New Zealand is going

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Speaker 21: to be disappointed in the sense that they're looking at

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Speaker 21: the amount of money that's being taken offshore by the

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Speaker 21: Australian owned banks in the middle of the deepest procession

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Speaker 21: we've had in the generation, and thinking, what you know,

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Speaker 21: in A and Z's case, profits up twenty one percent,

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Speaker 21: But they didn't get there by being twenty one percent

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Speaker 21: better at what they do, or twenty one percent more customers,

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Speaker 21: or twenty one percent more innovative. They've simply stuck their

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Speaker 21: hands in New Zealander's pockets longer and deeper than the

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Speaker 21: year before. And I think everyone in New Zealand would

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Speaker 21: be looking at and saying when is this going to end?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Ken, if you could do one thing to fix banking,

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Speaker 4: what would it be.

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Speaker 21: I'd break up a in z To be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 21: we've got legislative exactly the same way as we separated.

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Speaker 4: Did you divide from what?

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Speaker 21: Well, we'd simply say that no bank can be more

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Speaker 21: than ten percent of the market and break it up

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Speaker 21: into its bits and allow those pieces to be invested in,

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Speaker 21: preferably by New Zealanders, so that the profits stay on

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Speaker 21: shore rather than going offshore. And instead of having two

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Speaker 21: large banks, we could end up with maybe seven or

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Speaker 21: eight or nine much smaller banks who would genuinely, genuinely

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Speaker 21: compete with one another.

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Speaker 4: When you say that this is a good idea, have

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Speaker 4: you weighed up the shock that it would create for investors?

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Speaker 21: Hither, You're entirely right. It would be a shock for investors.

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Speaker 21: But here's the thing, it will be a shot for

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Speaker 21: overseas investors because at the moment too much of our

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Speaker 21: banking industries is owned by the Australians. What we need

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Speaker 21: is to bring that investment back on shore.

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Speaker 2: We have the key.

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Speaker 21: We Saver funds, for instance, are dying to invest in

1504
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 21: high quality. Yes, it's like the banks, but because of

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 21: the structure of our sect, they're pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Locked out of it.

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Speaker 21: So New Zealanders could be the ones benefiting from our

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Speaker 21: banking sector rather than all the money going to Australia.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you very much. Ken has always appreciated Kent Dustin,

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Speaker 4: who is from the Banking Reform Coalition. It's twelve past sex. Ever,

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 4: Bremworth has admitted why it ditched its will only strategy.

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: You remember that they had the annual shareholders meeting in

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Speaker 4: Auckland yesterday and I think it's the first time that

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Speaker 4: they've actually got everybody together in order to be able

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01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 4: to be asked about this. And somebody asked them, why'd

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Speaker 4: you do it? Was it poor execution or was it

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Speaker 4: being unrealistic in thinking everybody's only going to buy wool?

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Speaker 4: And they said it was a combination of both. Said

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Speaker 4: it was aspirational and there's no doubt a certain segment

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Speaker 4: of customers out there who love wool, but unfortunately the

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Speaker 4: reality is a large chunk of consumers who may say

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Speaker 4: that but do something else. Oh my gosh, how are

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Speaker 4: you running a company that like? That's just one oh

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Speaker 4: one of what consumers. Consumers say all the time. I

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 4: care very much about the sustainability and the farm that

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Speaker 4: the provenance of my food are on an avery Like

1527
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Speaker 4: they say all that stuff. Then they go and they

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Speaker 4: buy the cheapest milk they can, cheapest meat they can, Like,

1529
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Speaker 4: that's just whatever. Everybody says that they love the climate change.

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Speaker 4: Then they go buy a gas guzzler. That's just what

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Speaker 4: people do. People say they love will then they buy synthetic.

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Speaker 4: I could have told you that for free, and you

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have wasted all that money on the wool only strategy.

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Speaker 2: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupless Allen on the Business Hour with MAZ

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Speaker 1: Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands us talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: You know, gold is having a bit of a run

1563
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 4: at the moment. Sam Dicki's going to talk us through

1564
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 4: it when he's with us in about half an hour's

1565
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Speaker 4: time or even lessa she's probably twenty minutes time. It's

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Speaker 4: seventeen pass six and with us now as Jamie McKay

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 4: host to the Country, Hello Jamie.

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Speaker 11: Hello, Heather, how's the show?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, I'm at the day one of the Canterbury

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Speaker 14: amp Show and it's a royal show this year, and

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01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 14: while that might sound regal, the weather was anything but

1572
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 14: it was a bit of a shocking day to be

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Speaker 14: perfectly honest, which wasn't aiding the people through the gates.

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 14: But tomorrow is a public holiday here in christ Church

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 14: where I am at the moment in there, and they're

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01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 14: expecting a high of twenty three and there's going to

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 14: be lots of people on Saturday.

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01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 11: Again, the forecast is very good.

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Speaker 14: But I can tell you what from talking to the

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01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 14: farmers today and there was quite a few of them

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01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 14: at the show today, Heather. They're as happy as Larry

1582
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 14: because it's been very very dry here and they've had

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 14: between twenty twenty five thirty miles of rain. That's like

1584
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 14: an inch and the old measure imperial measure, so most

1585
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 14: of the farmers were pretty happy with that.

1586
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Speaker 4: What are farmers telling you about how they're feeling about

1587
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 4: the economy? Still feeling awesome?

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01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think they are feeling pretty good. I mean,

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 14: like any other people in business, either their costs have

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01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 14: ratcheted up a whole lot. I mean, just look at

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Speaker 14: the dairy payout as a really good example. You know,

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01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 14: we'd look Fonterra is sitting at ten dollars. I would

1593
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 14: personally doubt that whether we'll get that in this season.

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Speaker 14: I think it might be a bit softer than that.

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 14: But derrien Z come out with the cost of production.

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Speaker 14: I think it's sitting at something like eight dollars sixty,

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Speaker 14: so there's not a huge amount of fat in there.

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Speaker 14: I would say that the red meat farmers are doing

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Speaker 14: very well at the moment, Lamb. I'm not quite so

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Speaker 14: sure on longer term, but certainly medium term beefs looking

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 14: very strong. So honestly, as I said today to some

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 14: of the people about the government, because we chadded to

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,560
Speaker 14: Nikola Grigg, the Horticulture Minister on the show today, the

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 14: farmers are moaning about the prices or the government at

1605
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 14: the moment. They are being moaners because both of them

1606
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 14: have been pretty good to them.

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: To be fair, have you seen anything you want to

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01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 4: spend your money on?

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01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 14: Well, we were buying a coffee this morning, Heather, and

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01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 14: it was pissing down with rain for want of a

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 14: better word, and so we shehuted next door where they

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01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 14: had a store where they were making Italian coffee makers.

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01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 14: But I'm a bit of a klutz, so I don't

1614
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 14: think I could actually work out how to make them.

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01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 14: But if I really wanted to splash out, and if

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 14: I was on a salary like yours, Heather, I would

1617
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 14: have bought one of these Italian coffee makers for four grand,

1618
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 14: just the bee sneeze. I would probably never figure out

1619
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 14: how to work it, but it would just be a

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 14: statement in our house that they would say that guy's

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 14: got a bit of class.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 4: No, it's divorce material, because what happens is like something

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01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 4: that expensive you really have to look after. And then

1625
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: when your partner leaves the you know, the Tampa with

1626
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 4: all the coffee ground still in and starts rusting, you'd

1627
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 4: just be really angry all the time, wouldn't you.

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 14: Well, I don't know, I mean, or Barry decis to

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 14: do what he's told.

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Speaker 2: I know that, but does he do that? Does he?

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to tell any yarns, but you know,

1632
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 4: like that would be annoying, wouldn't it. Jamie, Thank you

1633
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country. What about

1634
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 4: like when they do the milk, and they don't get

1635
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 4: the cloth and wipe down the little milk wand and

1636
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 4: then you've got like congealed milk and then you have

1637
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 4: to soak. You know, that's that's annoying when that happens

1638
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 4: to people. Isn't that Imagine that that happened at four

1639
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 4: thousand dollar machine. You wouldn't like You wouldn't like that

1640
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 4: very much, would you, Heather. The carbon market crashed again today,

1641
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 4: down to thirty three dollars before closing back at thirty

1642
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 4: eight dollars. That's down from fifty two before the anti

1643
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 4: climate minister started and decided to start unwinding Paris and

1644
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 4: climate targets with cheap offshore credits. On your show on

1645
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 4: the fifth of November, Simon Watt said he had no

1646
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 4: plans to play to buy offshore credits. Okay, mate, that's right,

1647
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 4: he did. Is it not also practically now allowing you

1648
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 4: to be able to buy offshore credits rather than having

1649
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: to reduce your domestic mission.

1650
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 10: It has nothing to do with that.

1651
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 22: And just for the record, I think we've talked about

1652
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 22: that before, the government doesn't have any plans in play

1653
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 22: at the moment to do that right now.

1654
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 7: We're focusing on domestic emissions reduction as the priority.

1655
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 4: What's going on, Simon, You're all over the show on

1656
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 4: this story, aren't you, six twenty two.

1657
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: Whether it's macrosh or just plain economics, it's all on

1658
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: the Business hour where the heather duper CILA and mass

1659
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: motor vehicle insurance.

1660
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands, News talks be.

1661
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 4: Andder Brady's going to be with us at quarters to seven,

1662
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 4: and I have to be honest, I'm very much looking

1663
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: forward to having a chat to him because Starma is

1664
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 4: in trouble and it looks like the weird thing that

1665
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 4: Starma started doing where he started playing games last night,

1666
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: is him trying to kind of flush it out, flush

1667
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 4: out the coup that he thinks is coming around about

1668
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 4: the time of the budget. Anyway, we'll talk to Enda

1669
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 4: about that. Listen, if you follow the concrete stats as

1670
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 4: a bit of a proxy for how the economy is doing,

1671
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 4: you're not going to love what I'm about to tell you.

1672
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 4: Concrete has fallen in the past twelve months to three

1673
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 4: point six million cubic meters, which is the lowest since

1674
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen. The past couple of months, it has picked

1675
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 4: up slightly from June was rarely the bottom. It's packed

1676
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 4: up slightly, but it's not that great, and The Infometric's

1677
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 4: economist Matthew Ullman forecasts residential construction will struggle to even

1678
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 4: maintain today's low levels, and commercial commercial building work will

1679
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 4: full fit through to the end of twenty twenty six.

1680
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 4: So yeah, not that flash at all. A six twenty five.

1681
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1682
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 4: A sequel for Spring Brown Breaking. The first teaser for

1683
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 4: The Devil Wears part of two has been released brand

1684
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 4: toky long enough and by teaser, it really was a tease.

1685
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: It is a fifty two second trailer and in that

1686
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: short period of time we see shots of hope, couture, fashions,

1687
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 4: editorial styling, glitz and glam, but we don't learn anything

1688
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: about the story. So this is what we know. Kam

1689
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 4: Anne Hathaway is back, Meryl Streep as the iconic Miranda

1690
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 4: Presley is back, Emily Blunt is back, Stanley Tucci is back.

1691
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 4: It comes out in the first on the first of

1692
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 4: May next year, which is right before the annual met Gala,

1693
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 4: and the real life Miranda Presley Anna win Tour recently

1694
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 4: step down as the editor of Vogue. So will this

1695
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 4: film cover a similar passing of the torch or reflect

1696
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 4: real life events? We will have to see. Now we'll

1697
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 4: start at a debate, haven't we. How do we pronounce it? Antsur?

1698
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 15: What are we talking about? Host Catur isn't it's the German.

1699
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 4: Of jet aught, which I said, aught conteur, I've tried. Look,

1700
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 4: you know how I feel about French. I actually don't care.

1701
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 15: Is this one an English loan word?

1702
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 10: Though?

1703
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 15: I feel like this is more an English loanword.

1704
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 4: Is it an English word? I think it's a French word.

1705
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 15: Or yeah, it's like that, you know, it's like a

1706
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 15: word that's an English word that we just stole off.

1707
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 4: Oh that's not a portmanteau. You mean, like like when

1708
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 4: we steal ballet and filet.

1709
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 10: Yeah like that.

1710
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but it's originally a French word, which means

1711
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 4: that it's already just a bastardization.

1712
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 15: But yeah, I think we're going to get some English

1713
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 15: teachers too.

1714
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 4: So the Germans is aught cature, but she is German,

1715
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 4: so therefore she doesn't know what she's talking about, which

1716
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 4: means that ants and I.

1717
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 15: She does speak very good French as well, to be fair.

1718
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, which also makes it complicated, which means that

1719
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 4: ants and I literally still don't know how you pronounce it.

1720
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 4: Hold Katour. We're gonna go hold Cadour like that US

1721
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 4: US next, and then Sam Dickey.

1722
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: On Gold, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the

1723
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: business hour with hand, the duper c Allen and Mass

1724
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: motor vehicle insurance, Your futures in good hands, used talks be.

1725
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Speaker 2: Could you taking me.

1726
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 8: Heather?

1727
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Speaker 4: It's a silent age. Best wishes, mister France, Thank you,

1728
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 4: mister France. Also Murray says, I just love people.

1729
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 17: Thank you.

1730
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 4: I love people who just think about this logically and

1731
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 4: have broken it down phonetically for over here. Ot Cutour,

1732
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 4: trust me whether I'm bilingual, oat Cutur, thank you, Murray,

1733
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 4: appreciate it. I did actually know that. But you know,

1734
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 4: it is like one of those things like when you

1735
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 4: get what's that word epitome. It's like epiitime, isn't it.

1736
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 4: Don't tell me you're ever going to look at that

1737
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 4: word again and not think epitome. I'm having the same

1738
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 4: thing with oat Katur. Twenty four away from seven, Gold

1739
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 4: is having its strongest years since the nineteen seventies. What

1740
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 4: a statement? A up sixty percent so far?

1741
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: This here?

1742
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 4: Now, what's driven this incredible rise is the question? And

1743
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 4: of course should you invest in it? Sam Dickey from

1744
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,600
Speaker 4: Fisher Funds is with us. Hello, Sam, you know what

1745
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 4: is the investment case here? For gold?

1746
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 22: It is on fire, up one hundred and fifteen percent

1747
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 22: of the pass eighteen months or so. So there's three

1748
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 22: primary investment cases. The first and foremost one is it's

1749
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 22: a safe haven head, so it's got a near perfect

1750
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 22: hit rate of not only holding its value, but often

1751
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 22: appreciating value in stock market correction, So the eighty seven crash,

1752
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 22: the GFC crash, the European financial crisis crash, and various

1753
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 22: other corrections, gold would almost always go higher. And that's

1754
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 22: because simplistically, it carries no credit risk, it can't default,

1755
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 22: it holds its value and that becomes almost self fulfilling.

1756
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 22: So investors pile into gold in times of uncertainty. So

1757
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 22: that's the first one. The second one is it is

1758
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 22: considered an inflation hedge albe it its track record there

1759
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 22: is a bit more patchy, so the assumption goes Unlike

1760
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 22: fiat currency, central banks can't print any more gold and

1761
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 22: while inflation erodes the purchasing power of fiat currency. Gold

1762
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 22: is a stable store of value and the third one

1763
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 22: is a little bit more bearish. So central banks and

1764
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 22: investors buy gold to diversify away from the US dollar,

1765
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 22: and twenty twenty five has been one of the weakest

1766
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 22: years for the US dollar in the past couple of decades.

1767
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 4: Now, how does the current period then compare to the

1768
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 4: nineteen seventies.

1769
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 22: Yeah, it cast in the mind back but definitely some

1770
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 22: similar some similarity, So like now, investors had lost a

1771
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 22: bit of confidence in the US dollar. Back then it

1772
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 22: was because of persistently high inflation. They couldn't get a

1773
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 22: handle on inflation, unsustainable US government spending, and then of

1774
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 22: course throwing an oil shock there for good measure too.

1775
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 22: Today inflation is a little bit stubbornly high, but it's

1776
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 22: not anything like that was the problem back then. Today,

1777
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 22: they've lost a bit of confidence in the US dollar

1778
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 22: because of high US government debt levels, which you and

1779
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 22: I have spoken about before, and volatile policy decision making.

1780
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 22: So investors are piling into gold is a more stable alternative.

1781
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 22: And back then, if you think about the circuit breaker,

1782
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 22: it was Paul Volka hiking interest rates to twenty percent

1783
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 22: to break the back of inflation, which restored confidence in

1784
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 22: the US dollar and pop.

1785
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: The gold bubble.

1786
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 22: The circuit breaker today could be a bit of austeriitay

1787
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 22: in the US some really sensible and prudent management of

1788
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 22: the government balance sheet. But the problem is, and again

1789
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 22: you and I have talked about this, no democratically elected

1790
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 22: government wants to be the one to remove the punch

1791
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 22: bowl from the party. They don't want to crack down

1792
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:56,919
Speaker 22: on government spending.

1793
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1794
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:58,879
Speaker 4: So what does all of this mean for investors?

1795
01:24:58,920 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 20: Then?

1796
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 22: I think it can be a really helpful hedge in

1797
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 22: a diversified portfolio, particularly as a safe haven hedge. But

1798
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 22: this time it's had a really powerful run already in

1799
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 22: the tree things. It's really hard to value, so it

1800
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,560
Speaker 22: doesn't yield anything. It doesn't produce any income, unlike a

1801
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 22: share or bond or property. And as Warren Buffett said,

1802
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 22: best gold gets dug out of the ground. We melt

1803
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 22: it down, dig another hole, bury it again, and pay

1804
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 22: some stand around guarding it. So it has no utility

1805
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 22: in anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.

1806
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah right, thank you very much. Sam appreciate it. Sam

1807
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 4: Dicky the Forsher Funds. It's twenty one away from seven

1808
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 4: for seel. By the way, I haven't managed to get

1809
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 4: around to telling you this, but I think this is

1810
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 4: kind of a kind of relevant. A bunch of the

1811
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 4: police involved in the so called cover up around GeV

1812
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 4: MC skimming have not been named in the IPCA report,

1813
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 4: but they are now being out. For example, Paul Basham,

1814
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 4: who's obviously already resigned from the police Atanya Kulda, was

1815
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 4: named in there. Another one who wasn't named in the

1816
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 4: IPCA but has subsequently been outed is a guy called

1817
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 4: krist W. Wattinger. Now I'm absolutely one hundred percent mispronouncing

1818
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 4: his name, but he's got a very funny surname, so

1819
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 4: we're just going to go with that. He is the

1820
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 4: guy who is now the head of Aviation Security at

1821
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 4: the Civil Aviation Authority. He was Officer PLC in the

1822
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 4: IPCA report. Who was the one roomer I was telling

1823
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 4: you yesterday there was a cop who called the lady cop.

1824
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 4: The lady cop had gone to the IPS because she's dogged.

1825
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 4: She's like, this is not right, this is not right,

1826
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 4: this is not right, this is not right. And eventually,

1827
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 4: when nothing was being done, she herself went to the

1828
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 4: IPC and basically kicked off the IPCA process. Well, he

1829
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 4: was the one who called her afterwards and said, Costa

1830
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 4: is not happy with what you've done. He is now

1831
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 4: on leave from the CAIA as of today. He will

1832
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 4: take some time away as we work through an employment process,

1833
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 4: they say, and any implications for him and his role

1834
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 4: in the CIA, I think you probably guess how that's

1835
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 4: going to go.

1836
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: Now.

1837
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 4: I think we may have to rethink just completely different subject.

1838
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 4: By the way, I think we may have to rethink

1839
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 4: what we do with people who have a history of

1840
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: serious violent offending. Because I don't know if you've seen

1841
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 4: the story around today, but this is the the guy

1842
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 4: who's just pleaded guilty to murdering a woman in christ

1843
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 4: Church earlier this year, four months ago. The guy's name

1844
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 4: is Nathan Bolter. Now you may not remember that name,

1845
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 4: but he was the guy who kidnapped his ex partner,

1846
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 4: Nortessa Montgomery to Great Barrier Island. Remember this was quite

1847
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 4: big news in twenty eleven. He kidnapped her to Great

1848
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 4: Barrier Island and then he tortured there for her there

1849
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: for like hours it ended up being in total thirty

1850
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 4: eight hours before she was finally rescued, and she was

1851
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 4: pretty pretty cut up by him. He has a history

1852
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 4: of attacking women, because of course he did that. He's

1853
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 4: got a raft of charges including kidnapping, stalking, other violence, burglary,

1854
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 4: threatening to kill, contravening a protection order, to assault with

1855
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 4: intent to injure, causing harm by digital communication, and so

1856
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 4: on and so on. And then in twenty twenty he

1857
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 4: was back before the courts for assaulting another woman again

1858
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 4: in quite a serious way, and he was sent to jail.

1859
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 4: So you can see there's a pattern of behavior from

1860
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 4: this loon. Right now, I cannot fault the parole board

1861
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 4: because they seem to have done the right thing here

1862
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 4: to the best of their abilities. Right They refused to

1863
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 4: parole a number of times, and then by the time

1864
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 4: he appears in April twenty twenty three in front of them,

1865
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 4: he's basically about to finish his sentence, like he's got

1866
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 4: five weeks left on his sentence, and the decision that

1867
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: they have to make is do they let him serve

1868
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 4: out the remainder of the five weeks, and then if

1869
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 4: he's released, he is released as a free man, no

1870
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: conditions whatsoever, and off he goes. Or do they let

1871
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 4: him out early by a few weeks, And if they

1872
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 4: let him out early, they can impose conditions on him.

1873
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 4: So they let him out a little early, and they

1874
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 4: impose conditions, which I think imbalance is the right thing

1875
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 4: to do. They put him on two months of electronically

1876
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 4: monitored residential restrictions and they order him for six months

1877
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 4: to basically live at his mum's house, not to consume

1878
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 4: liquor or drugs, not to contact any victims of his offending,

1879
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 4: to disclose all details about any intimate relationship, blah blah blah,

1880
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 4: whatever you know, Like anything that goes on his life,

1881
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 4: his probation officer has to know about it. The trouble

1882
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 4: is those conditions can only be imposed to a maximum

1883
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: of six months, which they basically take it to its maximum.

1884
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 4: They ended like Christmas New Year twenty twenty three, So

1885
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 4: eighteen months after that is when he goes on to

1886
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 4: murder a woman, right, And there's way outside the parole

1887
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 4: Board's ability to control him. At that stage, he's not

1888
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 4: subject to any parole conditions. Now, I'm just wondering if

1889
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 4: we need to start thinking about this, because surely if

1890
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 4: there is somebody who is demonstrating that they have a

1891
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 4: pattern of acting like this and a pattern of violent offenses,

1892
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like set aside everything else, but if there

1893
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 4: is the chance that somebody could end up killing somebody

1894
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 4: and they have demonstrated a pattern of doing it, surely

1895
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 4: we should think about something beyond what the like the

1896
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 4: parole Board could do, no more than they could do.

1897
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 4: Surely there's got to be something we can do because

1898
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 4: that guy, I would argue, is a prime candidate for

1899
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, being monitored for the rest of his

1900
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 4: bloody life. Don't you think seventeen away from seven Ever it's.

1901
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 1: To do with money, it matters to you. The Business

1902
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duper c Allen and MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance,

1903
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands, used talks, I'd.

1904
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 4: Be fourteen away from seven Ender Brady UK correspondents with US.

1905
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 11: Hello Ender, Hey have her great speak to aggains.

1906
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 4: So it's coming up to the deadline for the beeB.

1907
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 4: What are they going to do?

1908
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 11: I think they're going to apologize. They have to. I

1909
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 11: mean they've got no choice. Whether that calls off the

1910
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,839
Speaker 11: dogs of legality, that Trump has unleashed or is threatening

1911
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 11: to unleash. We'll wait and see. One billion dollars is

1912
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 11: what he wants from the BBC for damage to his reputation,

1913
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 11: for trying to steal the election or election interference. It's

1914
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 11: a big twenty four hours really for the BBC. And

1915
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 11: from what I'm hearing, they've got headhunters looking for a

1916
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 11: new director general and the whole process might take until

1917
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 11: September next year. So talk about leaderless and rudderless. They're

1918
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 11: looking at ten months basically of having no boss.

1919
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 4: Well, okay, now let me talk. Let me ask you

1920
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 4: what is going on with Stamma. Tell me what you

1921
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 4: take on this is.

1922
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 11: I think he's very weak. I mean, we knew for

1923
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 11: a guy who'd come in with the landslide, he is

1924
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 11: not that popular. It was more a vote that the

1925
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 11: public were saying, we don't like the Conservatives what they've done,

1926
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 11: so there was no great love for Starmer in the

1927
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 11: first place. He's a poor communicator. We're finding out that

1928
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 11: he's quite a poor leader and Prime minister, and I

1929
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 11: think there are machinations behind the scenes, deep inside his

1930
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 11: own cabinet and Labor Party to get him out. Now,

1931
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 11: the budget is coming up November twenty sixth, and then

1932
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 11: there's local elections next May. Labor are now one percent ahead,

1933
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 11: one percentage point ahead of the Greens. That's where they

1934
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 11: are at the moment, and hardly anybody here votes for

1935
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 11: the Green Party, as bad as that sounds, so I

1936
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 11: think quite clearly people inside government are thinking, Okay, I'm

1937
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 11: going to make my move. One guy clearly tried to

1938
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Speaker 11: make a move this week and has been slapped down,

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Speaker 11: and I think Starmer is all the week or for

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Speaker 11: it now?

1941
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Speaker 4: This is is it Streeting that you talking about?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, the Health secretary and he's briefings against him.

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Speaker 4: He denies that he's made a move, So is he lies?

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Speaker 11: I would say draw your own conclusions there.

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Speaker 13: As the.

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Speaker 11: Manchester who was suddenly giving interviews and then went to

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Speaker 11: party conference and realized it was not.

1948
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Speaker 2: Support for him.

1949
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Speaker 11: It's all very odd. I mean, if they don't do

1950
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Speaker 11: something soon, they will be out of a job and

1951
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Speaker 11: out of government. I think the local elections in May

1952
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Speaker 11: are going to be catastrophic for Labor. You will see

1953
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Speaker 11: Reform picking off council seats in the UK where they

1954
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Speaker 11: never would have done before. In a TV show last

1955
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Speaker 11: week about the rise of reform in Scotland and this

1956
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Speaker 11: is an English Nationalist party led by Nigel Faraj and

1957
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Speaker 11: they're topping the polls in Scotland.

1958
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Speaker 4: It's mean to lie now. The reason I was asking

1959
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Speaker 4: you if Streeting was lying was because one alternative theory

1960
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Speaker 4: is actually that he hasn't made a move yet. He's

1961
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Speaker 4: very very early days. But what Kastam is trying to

1962
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Speaker 4: do is basically flush him out now either way right,

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Speaker 4: something is differently a f So how long do you

1964
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Speaker 4: give Stamma in the role before he's out?

1965
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Speaker 11: Well, I think we're going to see catastrophic polling off

1966
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Speaker 11: the back of the budget if income tax goes up

1967
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Speaker 11: here on November twenty sixth, taxing per mile electric vehicles.

1968
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Speaker 11: I think people will just be so sick of this

1969
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Speaker 11: government after a year and a half. I mean, there's

1970
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Speaker 11: nothing I can tell you he has done. There's nothing

1971
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Speaker 11: I can tell you he has achieved in a year

1972
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Speaker 11: and a half. And as much as the big black

1973
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Speaker 11: hole in the budget is the fault of the previous government.

1974
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Speaker 11: The public aren't interested. Everyone thought this would be great

1975
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 11: new people in short term fix politics doesn't work like that.

1976
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Speaker 11: It's I think the UK at the moment is like

1977
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 11: turning around an oil tanker and it's shipping.

1978
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Speaker 4: A lot of water at the same time, right spill

1979
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Speaker 4: the tea for us? What was wrong with Hitler?

1980
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Speaker 17: So?

1981
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Speaker 11: Did he have a micro penis? This is apparently a thing.

1982
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Speaker 11: There is Kalman syndrome, a sexual disorder. And there is

1983
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Speaker 11: a documentary to be screened this weekend where a team

1984
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Speaker 11: of scientists and these are top, top professionals, and I

1985
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 11: think they were very much aware of the gravity of

1986
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,759
Speaker 11: looking into the DNA of a monster like Adolf Hitler.

1987
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Speaker 11: They found that an American soldier who was in Hitler's

1988
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 11: bunker after everything had happened, and obviously he's dead, there

1989
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Speaker 11: was a big patch of blood on the sofa, and

1990
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 11: this American soldier took a rather grim souvenir. He cut

1991
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 11: out the patch of fabric with the most blood on it,

1992
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Speaker 11: brought it back to the United States and it's been

1993
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Speaker 11: in the Gettysburg Museum ever since. What these scientists have

1994
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 11: done is they've taken that patch, managed to start a

1995
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 11: full DNA profile from the patch, and then to square

1996
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 11: off whether this truly was Hitler's blood, they found a

1997
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 11: living descendant on the Y chromosome side, so the father's

1998
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 11: side in Germany, and it all matches up out of

1999
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 11: and they've gone through what he's kind of biologue you

2000
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 11: can make up, and what they can glean from his DNA.

2001
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 11: And he had a sexual disorder called result in a

2002
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 11: test testical not dropping or having a micro penis. And

2003
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 11: of course there was dancehall songs during the nineteen forties

2004
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 11: a linked having the ball, so as much as they

2005
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,560
Speaker 11: were joking back then, possibly very close.

2006
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Speaker 2: To the trip.

2007
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Speaker 4: Wow, thanks very much, and I appreciate that gossip for

2008
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 4: us into Brady UK corresponding, hither it's pronounced christ wner.

2009
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 4: Thank you. I feel like we've had we've had a

2010
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 4: real school. Oh lord, and Musther's come back, Murray's come back?

2011
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 4: Hither try again? It's oat coo too long? Tea? Isn't sure?

2012
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Speaker 4: Almost sure? Bloat cood? Sure I nailed it, haven't I?

2013
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 4: I've nailed it? Sure? I didn't know that. I feel

2014
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: like I'm it was weird? Is this what Alzheimer's is like?

2015
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 4: When you know something and then you forget it and

2016
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 4: you relearn it anyway, Listen, I've got I've got some

2017
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,560
Speaker 4: tips for you on how to land a job. This

2018
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 4: is not how you land a job, by the way,

2019
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Speaker 4: tip next eight away from seven, it's the Heather two per.

2020
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Speaker 4: Hither, I don't know if you're aware of the digital

2023
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,520
Speaker 4: distortion that we had in the last clip concerning Hitler's genitalia.

2024
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Speaker 4: Hitler had what syndrome with his penis Calman Caalman syndrome.

2025
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Speaker 4: It's quite a text that I don't think evil will

2026
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Speaker 4: come through on the text machine again talking about Hitler's

2027
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Speaker 4: Willie listen, I'm oh, no, I have to never mind that,

2028
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Speaker 4: never mind that, never mind that. Okay, So the OECD

2029
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Speaker 4: has done a study across a whole bunch of countries

2030
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Speaker 4: right this it appears to be reasonably comprehensive, Like it's

2031
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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty thousand respondents and thirty one different

2032
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Speaker 4: countries and stuff, and they've looked at what it like,

2033
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Speaker 4: what are the traits, what traits are more likely to

2034
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 4: help you get a job, and what traits are going

2035
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 4: to be negative to your ability to get a job.

2036
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Speaker 4: And I cannot explain this about us, but in New

2037
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 4: Zealand you are less likely to find a job if

2038
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Speaker 4: you are open and agreeable, both of which I would

2039
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Speaker 4: have thought are traits that we like in our friends.

2040
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Speaker 4: You want to say to your friend, oh my gosh,

2041
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 4: that guys are numpty, and your friend go, yeah, what

2042
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 4: you don't want your friend to go nat And he's

2043
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 4: not a numpty? Way like, who wants to be around

2044
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Speaker 4: that person all the time? So anyway, this is it.

2045
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Speaker 4: Agreeableness basically has no impact on anybody's job in any

2046
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Speaker 4: of these countries, but it has a stronger negative effect

2047
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Speaker 4: on employment in New Zealand than any other nation in

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Speaker 4: the study. Also, openness has basically a weak effect. No,

2049
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Speaker 4: it doesn't really matter in most countries. New Zealand, though,

2050
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Speaker 4: was among a handful where it was negatively associated with employment.

2051
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Speaker 4: How bizarre is that? Do you know ants? What it

2052
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 4: is that helps your employment in New Zealand the most?

2053
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Speaker 15: Having nice hair?

2054
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:44,839
Speaker 4: No, being literate?

2055
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Speaker 15: Being literate? Oh excellent, Well we can't even pronounce o cordua,

2056
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Speaker 15: so we're in trouble. Were going to hold onto these jobs?

2057
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Speaker 4: Jeez, this country? Being literate? Okay, what have you got?

2058
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 15: Levitating by jua? Lie persa players out so right? And

2059
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 15: we were talking before, well In and you were talking

2060
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 15: before about secure Starmer's problems. Here's an easy win for

2061
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 15: him if he's going to do it, do a leaper.

2062
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 15: Radiohead and Coldplay are calling on him and the Labor

2063
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 15: Party honor their election promise to make it illegal to

2064
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 15: sell tickets to concerts for more than thirty percent above

2065
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Speaker 15: their face value, or potentially just make it illegal to

2066
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 15: sell them above their face vilure. This is the thing

2067
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Speaker 15: Labor said they were going to do, and they're still

2068
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Speaker 15: consulting on it. So Radio here, dua Leaper, Coldplay, a

2069
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,720
Speaker 15: bunch of other artists they have all signed an open

2070
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 15: letters saying hurry up, get on with it. We need

2071
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 15: to shut down the scalpers. And that's what I'll do it.

2072
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it doesn't help. It really sucks when you

2073
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 4: get famous people going up against you like I reckon, Joe,

2074
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 4: I reckon Starmer will do something about this now that

2075
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 4: do us up against him? What do you reckon?

2076
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Speaker 13: Oh?

2077
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I might not go to the top of list,

2078
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 15: mightn't it all right?

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Speaker 4: Cool it? Tomorrow's Friday. How good to see you?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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