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Speaker 1: Look, there are questions now over why police failed to

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Speaker 1: charge former Beehive staffer Michael Forbes over the photos on

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Speaker 1: his phone. He was obviously called audio recording his sessions

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Speaker 1: with sex workers, and then his phone, it turned out,

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Speaker 1: also contained photos of women at the gym, women at

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Speaker 1: the supermarket and videos of women through windows at night.

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Speaker 1: Sheridan Fraser is with the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Hey

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Speaker 1: Shereda Cowder Heather Sheridan. Were you aware of this before

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Speaker 1: this broke in the newspapers yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, at the time, on the day that it happened,

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Speaker 2: I was notified by the Brussel just to see if

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Speaker 2: I could connect them with a sex worker, a specific

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Speaker 2: sex worker friendly police officer to take the report. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: it was my day off and I couldn't get hold

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Speaker 2: of any of them, so they called one one one.

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Speaker 2: I understand.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Has it surprised you then, so you would have

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Speaker 1: been aware of what was on the phone yet?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Has it surprised you that the police have not investigated

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Speaker 1: or charged over at the very least the peeping tom

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Speaker 1: stuff which seems to be unlawful.

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Speaker 2: It does seem to be unlawful. Yeah, I certainly wasn't

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Speaker 2: surprised about the audio recording. I was aware that was

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Speaker 2: not a crime. I was aware that taking photos in

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Speaker 2: public places is not necessarily a crime. The Peeping Tom's staff,

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Speaker 2: I'm not familiar enough with the laws. I wondered if

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Speaker 2: they just if maybe they were young police officers who

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Speaker 2: went familiar either and just thought if they were taken

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Speaker 2: in a public place, then maybe it wasn't a crime,

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Speaker 2: or maybe it was just the too hard basket in

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Speaker 2: terms of identifying who those women were.

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Speaker 1: Have you actually seen the content of that phone?

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen all the content, but I that I

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Speaker 2: have seen, you know, a couple of the a selection,

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Speaker 2: a couple of yow.

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Speaker 1: Do you know whether the Peeping Tom stuff that the

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Speaker 1: filming of the women through the windows? Reportedly? What were

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Speaker 1: those women identifiable? With the properties identifiable? It could the

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Speaker 1: cops have actually found those women.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think Michael Forbes would have had

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Speaker 2: to disclose where he took that video, and he did

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Speaker 2: seem to be reasonably cooperative, so it was probably possible

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Speaker 2: for the police to get that disclosure. Otherwise, it's just

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Speaker 2: it just seemed like an apartment building, you know, with

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Speaker 2: a lot of windows from AFAR, So yeah, it would

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Speaker 2: have been some extra rak and some police resource for

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Speaker 2: that end. You know, I suppose I would have liked

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Speaker 2: these things to be investigated because sometimes they are the

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Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg and there are significantly more harmful

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Speaker 2: things that occur, and when you know, this is seemingly

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Speaker 2: on the lower end of the spectrum, although very problematic

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Speaker 2: for the women involved, but yeah, sometimes it can be

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Speaker 2: an indicator of greater harms.

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Speaker 1: Acain, So would you like it would you like it

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Speaker 1: to be made unlawful to record intimate moments audio, you know,

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Speaker 1: the audio of it without the intent?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely. I think it's really important. Technology is changing

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Speaker 2: so quickly, and you know, there's deep fake abuse that's occurring,

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Speaker 2: and certainly in the context of sex, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of language, and there's a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of chitter, chatter or engagement that we don't want other

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Speaker 2: people to hear in our realize it's a very very

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Speaker 2: private moment. It's a very private moment, and I think

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Speaker 2: intimate audio recordings should be on par with intimate visual recordings.

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Speaker 2: And it was something that was brought up at the

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Speaker 2: time the legislation came into Pass two thousand and six whatever,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, clearly it didn't get through sharre it.

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Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: That Sheridan Fraser, who is with the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective.

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