1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sad B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:17,853 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:19,653 --> 00:00:22,253 Speaker 2: Take it on the pad. He'll get in there. 5 00:00:22,973 --> 00:00:23,533 Speaker 3: It is out. 6 00:00:23,853 --> 00:00:29,373 Speaker 4: The test is over. Don't smokes a beauty, It is 7 00:00:29,453 --> 00:00:31,253 Speaker 4: out here. You gous. 8 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:32,333 Speaker 5: This delivery has. 9 00:00:32,373 --> 00:00:38,573 Speaker 2: Eny users to goold on the front foot with Brian Waddell. 10 00:00:38,333 --> 00:00:42,573 Speaker 1: And Jeremy Coney, powered by News Talks dead B at 11 00:00:42,733 --> 00:00:43,573 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:46,493 --> 00:00:49,093 Speaker 4: Hello, back on the front foot. What a remarkable chase 13 00:00:49,133 --> 00:00:52,093 Speaker 4: for victory. Buy the new deal today. Side lead a 14 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:55,373 Speaker 4: little bit of pressure on their top ordered backing weeknesses 15 00:00:55,653 --> 00:00:57,653 Speaker 4: on the tour of South Africa, but a couple of 16 00:00:57,733 --> 00:01:01,653 Speaker 4: players have enhanced their reputations. Major injury issues for the 17 00:01:01,693 --> 00:01:05,373 Speaker 4: black Caps are the franchises they signed with doing enough 18 00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:09,573 Speaker 4: to help them. Two new countries admitted to ICY, a 19 00:01:09,693 --> 00:01:13,213 Speaker 4: majority of Test countries facing bankruptcy or should the game 20 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:17,493 Speaker 4: find a solution to ensuring all formats are fostered. Plenty 21 00:01:17,573 --> 00:01:19,573 Speaker 4: to talk about, and there's going to be a lot 22 00:01:19,653 --> 00:01:22,173 Speaker 4: more because cricket is starting to warm up in this 23 00:01:22,333 --> 00:01:24,253 Speaker 4: part of the world, just in time for you to 24 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:26,813 Speaker 4: come home, Jeremy Coney and put your long walleys on. 25 00:01:28,693 --> 00:01:32,613 Speaker 2: Well, that's in gaining some sleep. I'm under the sort 26 00:01:32,653 --> 00:01:36,693 Speaker 2: of the drag of the leg of the jet. Actually 27 00:01:36,733 --> 00:01:41,173 Speaker 2: at the moment was I didn't even I couldn't even 28 00:01:41,293 --> 00:01:43,453 Speaker 2: watch the last part of That's why i'm a little 29 00:01:43,453 --> 00:01:46,413 Speaker 2: bit late. As well. I've been watching a replay as 30 00:01:46,493 --> 00:01:52,653 Speaker 2: you have, probably as well of the One Day game 31 00:01:52,733 --> 00:01:53,253 Speaker 2: last night. 32 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:56,293 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know whether Peter Holland had a chance 33 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:59,653 Speaker 4: to have look. He's joined us again from the warmth 34 00:01:59,733 --> 00:02:04,173 Speaker 4: of the Cavity coast and he might have had a 35 00:02:04,213 --> 00:02:06,093 Speaker 4: look at the New Zealanday, so I didn't know where 36 00:02:06,093 --> 00:02:06,453 Speaker 4: to find it. 37 00:02:09,173 --> 00:02:12,893 Speaker 5: So I'm once again the moose is somewhat in the 38 00:02:13,013 --> 00:02:16,933 Speaker 5: dark again. But that's fine. It's got plenty of thoughts. 39 00:02:17,013 --> 00:02:19,253 Speaker 4: It's on YouTube, and they've got a couple more games 40 00:02:19,293 --> 00:02:22,453 Speaker 4: to go. Well. I mean, I must admit, like you, Jerry, 41 00:02:22,453 --> 00:02:24,173 Speaker 4: I nodded enough to sleep. When I knew they were 42 00:02:24,253 --> 00:02:27,053 Speaker 4: chasing three hundred and fifty and they lost a wicket 43 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:29,533 Speaker 4: in the first over without a run on the board, 44 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:33,613 Speaker 4: I thought, no way, because they hadn't been playing some 45 00:02:33,893 --> 00:02:36,493 Speaker 4: very good One day cricket, A little bit too cavalier 46 00:02:36,613 --> 00:02:40,453 Speaker 4: for my liking. But once they got round to considering 47 00:02:40,573 --> 00:02:43,693 Speaker 4: partnerships and the top orders started working for them, they 48 00:02:43,773 --> 00:02:47,173 Speaker 4: did well. And Dale Phillips one hundred and forty seven 49 00:02:47,493 --> 00:02:50,733 Speaker 4: He got out playing a reverse scoop in the third 50 00:02:50,813 --> 00:02:53,093 Speaker 4: over of the first game, and I thought, hey, that 51 00:02:53,253 --> 00:02:56,253 Speaker 4: doesn't look too good. But boy in the land of 52 00:02:56,333 --> 00:03:01,413 Speaker 4: his birth, Johannesburg born, Dale Phillips really put the South 53 00:03:01,413 --> 00:03:02,933 Speaker 4: African attack to the sword. 54 00:03:03,013 --> 00:03:08,173 Speaker 2: Jerry, He's yeah, I agree. I had a look at 55 00:03:08,173 --> 00:03:10,293 Speaker 2: the cards for the first couple of games and it 56 00:03:10,373 --> 00:03:14,733 Speaker 2: was very clear. The top order where you know, unable 57 00:03:14,813 --> 00:03:18,293 Speaker 2: to judge the risks required when the ball was still 58 00:03:18,373 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 2: doing something early on, and the top four is where 59 00:03:22,173 --> 00:03:27,413 Speaker 2: the bulk of the runs emerge in the ODI format. Yeah, 60 00:03:27,613 --> 00:03:34,213 Speaker 2: great horizontal batshot player, isn't he very good? Cuts and pools, hooks. 61 00:03:34,973 --> 00:03:38,573 Speaker 2: And then you can also drive, which is useful because 62 00:03:38,653 --> 00:03:42,933 Speaker 2: the bowler then can't go short without being attacked perhaps 63 00:03:43,613 --> 00:03:46,093 Speaker 2: and also when they pitch up, he can drive down 64 00:03:46,173 --> 00:03:49,213 Speaker 2: the ground number of six as he hit straight back 65 00:03:49,293 --> 00:03:53,293 Speaker 2: over the bowler's head. And this innings, yeah, it's it 66 00:03:53,453 --> 00:03:57,133 Speaker 2: really was a very different innings. None of us have 67 00:03:57,333 --> 00:04:00,933 Speaker 2: probably seen a lot of Dale Phillips. Have you seen much. 68 00:04:00,893 --> 00:04:03,173 Speaker 4: Words, Yeah, I've seen a bit of him playing for 69 00:04:03,693 --> 00:04:08,533 Speaker 4: Otago as such, and he's a bit like brother then 70 00:04:08,733 --> 00:04:12,093 Speaker 4: you know they come from the same mold and they 71 00:04:12,133 --> 00:04:15,653 Speaker 4: play cricket the same way, so he does like to 72 00:04:16,453 --> 00:04:18,453 Speaker 4: go after the bowling. I don't know whether you've seen 73 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:22,253 Speaker 4: him most, but I mean the end result of this trip, 74 00:04:22,293 --> 00:04:25,533 Speaker 4: as we talked about it beforehand, is the value that 75 00:04:25,653 --> 00:04:28,893 Speaker 4: they're going to get after about being in these conditions. 76 00:04:29,853 --> 00:04:33,133 Speaker 4: They're not picking the number one side every week. Everybody's 77 00:04:33,173 --> 00:04:35,573 Speaker 4: getting a turnaround. So you've got to toss up whether 78 00:04:35,573 --> 00:04:38,133 Speaker 4: you want to be winning every game or whether you 79 00:04:38,253 --> 00:04:40,213 Speaker 4: want to develop players. And I think they're going for 80 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:43,853 Speaker 4: the right mix of development, and it's proven I think 81 00:04:43,933 --> 00:04:46,413 Speaker 4: in the third game when they've got used to the 82 00:04:46,533 --> 00:04:47,293 Speaker 4: conditions over there. 83 00:04:49,213 --> 00:04:53,093 Speaker 5: I think this is a great investment in our talent. 84 00:04:54,733 --> 00:04:57,933 Speaker 5: Reflecting on the fact that they've also been to Bangladesh 85 00:04:58,013 --> 00:05:01,373 Speaker 5: a few months back and some players there got runs 86 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:07,733 Speaker 5: in those conditions, it can't be underestimated how important the 87 00:05:07,853 --> 00:05:12,653 Speaker 5: investment and these two is for the broader New Zealand 88 00:05:12,693 --> 00:05:17,333 Speaker 5: game and providing the proverbial inverted Karmas pathway. I think 89 00:05:17,373 --> 00:05:23,053 Speaker 5: it's invaluable. To have players playing in different conditions is invaluable. 90 00:05:23,373 --> 00:05:29,653 Speaker 5: I also think that especially being in South Africa. South 91 00:05:29,653 --> 00:05:33,013 Speaker 5: Africa have really shown us something in the last year 92 00:05:33,093 --> 00:05:35,493 Speaker 5: eighteen months, haven't they, with the depth that they have 93 00:05:36,013 --> 00:05:40,973 Speaker 5: as well? The interesting series just gone in Northern Australia, 94 00:05:41,053 --> 00:05:43,693 Speaker 5: you know, Darwin and Kens or wherever else. They're playing 95 00:05:44,373 --> 00:05:46,293 Speaker 5: some very good players coming out of there, so their 96 00:05:46,333 --> 00:05:48,293 Speaker 5: eight team was going to be pretty good too. 97 00:05:48,933 --> 00:05:50,373 Speaker 3: This is great. I love it. 98 00:05:50,933 --> 00:05:54,293 Speaker 4: They're in England now too, Jerry and Sunny. Baker didn't 99 00:05:54,333 --> 00:05:56,573 Speaker 4: have a great start to his career for England against 100 00:05:56,573 --> 00:05:57,373 Speaker 4: South Africa, did he? 101 00:05:59,133 --> 00:06:01,613 Speaker 2: I don't know, but he probably got smashed, you're saying 102 00:06:01,653 --> 00:06:06,013 Speaker 2: to me. And there are good players, you know, players 103 00:06:06,053 --> 00:06:07,773 Speaker 2: like markram I guess he might have got a few 104 00:06:07,853 --> 00:06:11,613 Speaker 2: last night or the other day, didn't he? And certainly 105 00:06:11,693 --> 00:06:16,733 Speaker 2: that one day unit for England was shown how to 106 00:06:16,813 --> 00:06:19,853 Speaker 2: play and even this lot And to just back up 107 00:06:19,973 --> 00:06:22,813 Speaker 2: Moose's point, if you looked at all the bowlers that 108 00:06:22,933 --> 00:06:26,373 Speaker 2: were playing against this New Zealand a team. Mariki well 109 00:06:26,413 --> 00:06:28,973 Speaker 2: he played tests against us here when he came over, 110 00:06:29,093 --> 00:06:33,693 Speaker 2: didn't he. S Palmler another they're all kind of tall, 111 00:06:34,893 --> 00:06:38,133 Speaker 2: muscle the ball into the pitch and even taller some 112 00:06:38,253 --> 00:06:41,413 Speaker 2: of them, cause Sea was there and Pomwami was there, 113 00:06:41,653 --> 00:06:45,293 Speaker 2: Simolane was there. All have played T twenty for South Africa, 114 00:06:45,373 --> 00:06:47,773 Speaker 2: all have played over the eyes and some of them, 115 00:06:47,773 --> 00:06:51,853 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, just tests as well. So they were 116 00:06:51,893 --> 00:06:56,053 Speaker 2: a useful bowling attack. Good pitch, good pitches. I think 117 00:06:56,093 --> 00:06:59,933 Speaker 2: it got better and we got this time to bat. Second. 118 00:07:01,013 --> 00:07:03,293 Speaker 4: The interesting thing was too we went on the commentators 119 00:07:03,373 --> 00:07:05,373 Speaker 4: that they were hard to listen to, but because they 120 00:07:05,413 --> 00:07:08,413 Speaker 4: were praising everything that South Afry did mention that I 121 00:07:08,493 --> 00:07:12,013 Speaker 4: can't see you talking about as one of the fastest 122 00:07:12,053 --> 00:07:14,053 Speaker 4: bowlers in the world. Now I don't know, because they 123 00:07:14,093 --> 00:07:16,773 Speaker 4: didn't have a speed radar, but there goes a guy 124 00:07:16,893 --> 00:07:19,493 Speaker 4: who's quick. They do like to muscle the ball into 125 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:20,973 Speaker 4: the deck and they seem to be getting a good 126 00:07:21,093 --> 00:07:24,413 Speaker 4: bounce and that's the way they play in South Africa generally. 127 00:07:24,973 --> 00:07:31,813 Speaker 5: Merstle very very much so. But again exposing our guys 128 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:35,573 Speaker 5: and who pretty much have only played against each themselves 129 00:07:35,853 --> 00:07:39,613 Speaker 5: in New Zealand, which is basically you know, local friendlies, 130 00:07:39,613 --> 00:07:42,333 Speaker 5: because everyone likes each other these days, un like back 131 00:07:42,373 --> 00:07:49,533 Speaker 5: of the olden days, whereas you know, all of a 132 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:53,253 Speaker 5: sudden the temperatures being turned up a bit, and I 133 00:07:53,333 --> 00:07:56,013 Speaker 5: think this is just our this is outstanding. And as 134 00:07:56,053 --> 00:07:59,653 Speaker 5: I say, and Jury's has pointed out, these aren't Rugs 135 00:07:59,893 --> 00:08:02,493 Speaker 5: and South Africa at all. And you know we we 136 00:08:03,373 --> 00:08:06,773 Speaker 5: tend to get the off cast, don't we, luckily with 137 00:08:07,253 --> 00:08:11,613 Speaker 5: the recent immigrants. Thank the Lord for that. No, no, 138 00:08:11,813 --> 00:08:12,333 Speaker 5: this is great. 139 00:08:12,653 --> 00:08:12,853 Speaker 3: Yeah. 140 00:08:12,893 --> 00:08:15,653 Speaker 4: Well the final judgment I guess for this too will 141 00:08:15,693 --> 00:08:18,653 Speaker 4: be after they've played the two four day games, because 142 00:08:19,493 --> 00:08:22,413 Speaker 4: when they went to Bangladesh they struggled early on, they 143 00:08:22,453 --> 00:08:24,333 Speaker 4: didn't seem to get the right mix. But then they 144 00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:28,653 Speaker 4: put on a performance with the first class tour and 145 00:08:30,213 --> 00:08:32,853 Speaker 4: they were a huge success. And you've got to remember 146 00:08:32,933 --> 00:08:35,653 Speaker 4: last night they were out Nick Kelly and his tour 147 00:08:35,733 --> 00:08:39,453 Speaker 4: is over, apparently coming home with an injured shoulder in 148 00:08:39,573 --> 00:08:44,213 Speaker 4: the field. I was just impressed that they got out 149 00:08:44,293 --> 00:08:48,133 Speaker 4: of you know, they had been battered around Benoni Willoemore 150 00:08:48,213 --> 00:08:51,133 Speaker 4: Park for two games, didn't even look like being in 151 00:08:51,173 --> 00:08:54,413 Speaker 4: the hunt and here they are winning the game. Duckworth lewis. 152 00:08:54,453 --> 00:08:57,173 Speaker 4: Of course it got dark a little bit too early. 153 00:08:57,453 --> 00:09:01,813 Speaker 2: Well, and you know why did that happen? Was I mean, 154 00:09:02,533 --> 00:09:05,533 Speaker 2: I mean, why didn't South Africa carry on a bowl 155 00:09:05,573 --> 00:09:08,933 Speaker 2: a couple of other spin bowlers okay, not their best 156 00:09:08,933 --> 00:09:12,053 Speaker 2: spin ball. Why aren't you finished the game? You could 157 00:09:12,053 --> 00:09:13,573 Speaker 2: almost look ridiculous to me. 158 00:09:14,573 --> 00:09:18,373 Speaker 4: Yeah, but the reaction of the captain at the postmatch 159 00:09:18,493 --> 00:09:21,053 Speaker 4: was basically he thought that they'd been diddled out of 160 00:09:21,133 --> 00:09:25,933 Speaker 4: a victory because of the umpires conditions that were regarded 161 00:09:25,973 --> 00:09:28,213 Speaker 4: as dangerous, and the commentators were saying, well, we haven't 162 00:09:28,213 --> 00:09:30,973 Speaker 4: got any spin ball as to bowl, but it seemed 163 00:09:30,973 --> 00:09:36,093 Speaker 4: as though winning was more important than the development for 164 00:09:36,293 --> 00:09:39,213 Speaker 4: South Africa. They've got a group that has played together 165 00:09:39,293 --> 00:09:42,253 Speaker 4: for a period of time and you know that's how 166 00:09:42,373 --> 00:09:45,853 Speaker 4: they viewed the match. But you know, we'll make our 167 00:09:45,933 --> 00:09:48,693 Speaker 4: judgment after the four days and see what happens. I 168 00:09:48,773 --> 00:09:50,453 Speaker 4: think our guys will be happy to come away with 169 00:09:50,533 --> 00:09:53,053 Speaker 4: a win in those circumstances. 170 00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:55,893 Speaker 2: What's just one last point. I just wanted to make 171 00:09:56,453 --> 00:10:02,373 Speaker 2: the point that the importance of Jaden Lennox ten overs 172 00:10:02,933 --> 00:10:05,973 Speaker 2: when everybody else was being smashed between six and ten 173 00:10:06,053 --> 00:10:10,893 Speaker 2: and over went basic ten overs two for thirty six. 174 00:10:11,413 --> 00:10:13,693 Speaker 3: Good point, isn't it? Yep? 175 00:10:13,813 --> 00:10:17,813 Speaker 4: And he bowled well and I remember you saying Jerry 176 00:10:17,893 --> 00:10:19,573 Speaker 4: before he went away that he has to look to 177 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:22,373 Speaker 4: try and find a little bit of variation, used the 178 00:10:22,453 --> 00:10:25,413 Speaker 4: crease a little more effectively. And I watched him bowling, 179 00:10:25,733 --> 00:10:29,173 Speaker 4: and I sense that he is doing that, and you know, 180 00:10:29,493 --> 00:10:32,413 Speaker 4: is getting the time to play at this level with 181 00:10:32,573 --> 00:10:34,973 Speaker 4: either a bowling coach, batting coach, or whoever the coaches 182 00:10:35,013 --> 00:10:38,373 Speaker 4: are around him, and he's doing and using the time 183 00:10:38,853 --> 00:10:40,573 Speaker 4: to develop his game, which is what this to. 184 00:10:40,653 --> 00:10:44,453 Speaker 2: Us about, isn't it It is? And the more he's 185 00:10:44,533 --> 00:10:48,213 Speaker 2: able to land the ball on a decent line and 186 00:10:48,293 --> 00:10:50,693 Speaker 2: a decent length, which he's already got, hasn't he. We 187 00:10:50,853 --> 00:10:53,933 Speaker 2: know that he's an accurate, consistent left armor has a 188 00:10:54,013 --> 00:10:57,493 Speaker 2: lot of them are. But at this what you then 189 00:10:57,893 --> 00:11:00,253 Speaker 2: have to learn to do is to get that ball 190 00:11:01,093 --> 00:11:04,413 Speaker 2: out of your hand at a different kind of height 191 00:11:04,573 --> 00:11:08,573 Speaker 2: and trajectory, but still landeth on the same play in 192 00:11:08,693 --> 00:11:12,053 Speaker 2: the pitch. So you have a variety of ways of 193 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:15,413 Speaker 2: getting the ball onto that kind of decent line and 194 00:11:15,533 --> 00:11:20,293 Speaker 2: decent lengths, but coming from different angles, different heights, and 195 00:11:20,453 --> 00:11:23,733 Speaker 2: different amount of turn. Once you start doing that, then 196 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:25,133 Speaker 2: you're an international bowler. 197 00:11:25,893 --> 00:11:29,573 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, Well, there's injury problems coming home with Nick 198 00:11:29,653 --> 00:11:31,813 Speaker 4: Kelly having a sore shoulder, and he may well be 199 00:11:31,933 --> 00:11:34,933 Speaker 4: involved in the short form cricket that New Zealand are 200 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:37,133 Speaker 4: about to play starting on the first of October. I 201 00:11:37,173 --> 00:11:39,333 Speaker 4: hope you've got that in your diary, Moose. First of 202 00:11:39,413 --> 00:11:42,613 Speaker 4: October the first international game. We weren't even playing first 203 00:11:42,653 --> 00:11:45,053 Speaker 4: class cricket years ago, when you you know, you probably 204 00:11:45,053 --> 00:11:46,933 Speaker 4: had to wait for Christmas to play your first first 205 00:11:46,973 --> 00:11:53,813 Speaker 4: class game in the country and it started after lunch, almost, 206 00:11:53,813 --> 00:11:57,573 Speaker 4: didn't it. The black Caps have got injury issues. Willow 207 00:11:57,693 --> 00:12:00,053 Speaker 4: Raurker is likely to be out of action for three months. 208 00:12:00,253 --> 00:12:03,733 Speaker 4: That doesn't sound promising. Scans have revealed a stress factor 209 00:12:03,813 --> 00:12:07,493 Speaker 4: in the lower back and he'll be given every chance 210 00:12:07,653 --> 00:12:12,653 Speaker 4: to repair and get his body back into action. Alongside 211 00:12:12,693 --> 00:12:16,253 Speaker 4: to him, Glenn Phillips and Finalon ruled out of the 212 00:12:16,373 --> 00:12:19,893 Speaker 4: Chapel Hadley series coming up in October against Australia, and 213 00:12:20,053 --> 00:12:23,573 Speaker 4: Mitchell Sentner's having an operation. So there's some issues for 214 00:12:24,293 --> 00:12:29,333 Speaker 4: our selectors. You want to start your home summer, if 215 00:12:29,373 --> 00:12:31,933 Speaker 4: that's what it's going to be called, with your full 216 00:12:32,413 --> 00:12:34,693 Speaker 4: array of players. I just wonder whether these guys are 217 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:39,013 Speaker 4: being treated properly by their franchise as they're playing different cricket, 218 00:12:39,093 --> 00:12:42,093 Speaker 4: getting on airplanes in and out of different hotels and 219 00:12:42,573 --> 00:12:46,613 Speaker 4: heavens knows what, and they're coming home to start this 220 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,653 Speaker 4: season and half the squads didn't it. 221 00:12:49,053 --> 00:12:50,733 Speaker 5: I just think that this is probably what we're going 222 00:12:50,773 --> 00:12:52,133 Speaker 5: to have to get used to because it's the way. 223 00:12:52,253 --> 00:12:52,813 Speaker 3: It's the way the. 224 00:12:52,813 --> 00:12:55,333 Speaker 5: World is moving, and the subject perhaps we'll talk about 225 00:12:55,373 --> 00:12:58,933 Speaker 5: a little bit later, but I just think it's unavawilable. 226 00:12:59,373 --> 00:13:01,773 Speaker 5: Question for you is if Satna's not playing, which is 227 00:13:01,813 --> 00:13:06,253 Speaker 5: a pity because his games just grow. It hasn't it 228 00:13:06,293 --> 00:13:08,933 Speaker 5: immeasurably in the last eighteen months two years? Is in 229 00:13:09,053 --> 00:13:12,133 Speaker 5: well done him? It's the captain of the one day game. 230 00:13:12,493 --> 00:13:14,573 Speaker 5: Michael Brace will perhaps question. 231 00:13:15,733 --> 00:13:18,933 Speaker 4: I think he's being considered. I don't know that they 232 00:13:19,013 --> 00:13:21,613 Speaker 4: recall Tim Survey will later take the runs. 233 00:13:22,693 --> 00:13:27,653 Speaker 2: Probably he might captain the Black Clash game. 234 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:30,853 Speaker 4: They've got two for each side and that, by the way, 235 00:13:31,013 --> 00:13:35,213 Speaker 4: which is quite exciting. But I mean, you know, our players, yeah, 236 00:13:35,413 --> 00:13:39,133 Speaker 4: great that they get the opportunity to play in franchise 237 00:13:39,213 --> 00:13:42,693 Speaker 4: cricket and they get good money that probably they couldn't 238 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:45,213 Speaker 4: get paid here in New Zealand. But you know to 239 00:13:45,373 --> 00:13:50,893 Speaker 4: my mind, you know that they're basically giving their their body. 240 00:13:51,213 --> 00:13:55,173 Speaker 4: Bodies are real hammering, and we don't get the value 241 00:13:55,413 --> 00:13:58,493 Speaker 4: we in New Zealand. Our spectators still want to see 242 00:13:58,773 --> 00:14:00,493 Speaker 4: our best players playing at home. 243 00:14:00,413 --> 00:14:03,213 Speaker 5: Don't we what we do? But as I said, I 244 00:14:03,373 --> 00:14:04,973 Speaker 5: just think that we have to accept that this is 245 00:14:05,013 --> 00:14:07,813 Speaker 5: probably this is this is the new norm. If that's 246 00:14:07,893 --> 00:14:11,613 Speaker 5: not a much of a cliche, I don't think we're 247 00:14:11,613 --> 00:14:15,613 Speaker 5: going to get away from it. But but but what 248 00:14:16,053 --> 00:14:18,053 Speaker 5: the game is happening though is, as we just come 249 00:14:18,133 --> 00:14:22,133 Speaker 5: off talking about the AID Tour, we're developing depth and 250 00:14:22,213 --> 00:14:23,973 Speaker 5: I think that that can only be a good thing 251 00:14:24,013 --> 00:14:26,493 Speaker 5: for us, going to see these new players coming in 252 00:14:26,613 --> 00:14:29,133 Speaker 5: and perhaps darl Phillips is going to get a chance. 253 00:14:30,573 --> 00:14:33,533 Speaker 5: But just on that point, did I hear this morning 254 00:14:33,573 --> 00:14:36,693 Speaker 5: that Paddy Cummens is not coming over He's got. 255 00:14:38,173 --> 00:14:42,813 Speaker 2: A lower Yeah, he's had a hot spot. He's got 256 00:14:42,813 --> 00:14:45,973 Speaker 2: a hot spot in his back which is not necessarily 257 00:14:46,213 --> 00:14:49,933 Speaker 2: a stress fracture, but it certainly is a portent of 258 00:14:50,053 --> 00:14:53,973 Speaker 2: its It could be coming and so they will. They 259 00:14:54,053 --> 00:14:58,413 Speaker 2: will now rest him completely until the Ashes to see 260 00:14:58,453 --> 00:15:01,093 Speaker 2: if he's able to be ready for that first match 261 00:15:01,173 --> 00:15:04,813 Speaker 2: at purse in the first Test. So yeah, that's a 262 00:15:04,853 --> 00:15:08,013 Speaker 2: bit of an issue for Australia, isn't it. Obviously, Well, 263 00:15:08,453 --> 00:15:13,653 Speaker 2: Paddy cummins he basically, in terms of getting wickets at 264 00:15:13,693 --> 00:15:16,293 Speaker 2: the top of the order, it tends to be Stark 265 00:15:16,373 --> 00:15:19,853 Speaker 2: and Hazelwood. But whenever another side starts to develop a 266 00:15:19,933 --> 00:15:23,493 Speaker 2: partnership and get something going and it's still their top order, 267 00:15:23,973 --> 00:15:28,453 Speaker 2: that's when Commons, to me, from what I've watched, comes 268 00:15:28,533 --> 00:15:34,573 Speaker 2: into his own. He quite often breaks those big partnerships up. 269 00:15:35,773 --> 00:15:38,333 Speaker 4: Yet the other issue too is England's point of view 270 00:15:38,453 --> 00:15:40,013 Speaker 4: whether or not he would be in the Ashes, but 271 00:15:40,093 --> 00:15:43,173 Speaker 4: he must be in consideration with Jamie Overton, who's decided 272 00:15:43,213 --> 00:15:45,653 Speaker 4: to give away red ball cricket make his money out 273 00:15:45,693 --> 00:15:49,413 Speaker 4: of franchise cricket. Now you know England also have issues 274 00:15:49,493 --> 00:15:53,493 Speaker 4: with paste bowlers and fitness and getting them ready for Ashes. 275 00:15:53,893 --> 00:15:55,613 Speaker 4: And in a later program we can look at that 276 00:15:56,053 --> 00:15:59,533 Speaker 4: and see how it's going to plan out. But that's 277 00:16:00,413 --> 00:16:04,453 Speaker 4: what Moos says, the new norm. Overdon decided I can't 278 00:16:04,853 --> 00:16:05,413 Speaker 4: do everything. 279 00:16:06,413 --> 00:16:10,333 Speaker 2: Well, I wonder wadd's where whether it's time players who 280 00:16:10,453 --> 00:16:13,573 Speaker 2: have up until now played for their countries and have 281 00:16:13,813 --> 00:16:18,733 Speaker 2: access to a lot of medical assistance and coaching and 282 00:16:18,813 --> 00:16:21,573 Speaker 2: other sort of those kinds of things that help the 283 00:16:21,653 --> 00:16:24,893 Speaker 2: players along to keep them on the part whether they 284 00:16:25,013 --> 00:16:27,573 Speaker 2: have to now if they're going to be solo agents 285 00:16:28,333 --> 00:16:33,133 Speaker 2: and move around that they have their own that they 286 00:16:33,253 --> 00:16:38,013 Speaker 2: have to pay for people to be part of their 287 00:16:38,133 --> 00:16:42,133 Speaker 2: own team if you want, and they go from place 288 00:16:42,213 --> 00:16:47,773 Speaker 2: to place as golfers do, and coaches and those sorts 289 00:16:47,813 --> 00:16:52,173 Speaker 2: of things that they move around. They're on planes, they're 290 00:16:52,413 --> 00:16:55,933 Speaker 2: playing a lot. They've got to be fit and ready 291 00:16:56,013 --> 00:16:59,213 Speaker 2: to play in order to earn the cash. So therefore 292 00:16:59,253 --> 00:17:01,053 Speaker 2: we've got to have to look after it and spend 293 00:17:01,413 --> 00:17:06,733 Speaker 2: and they can't if they're, say, playing in a series 294 00:17:06,853 --> 00:17:10,813 Speaker 2: saying I don't know in the States, suddenly call up 295 00:17:11,493 --> 00:17:14,293 Speaker 2: someone from New Zealand cricket. You can't do that. They're 296 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:17,853 Speaker 2: actually a solo agent at that point in time, aren't you. 297 00:17:17,973 --> 00:17:21,333 Speaker 2: And you're being paid separately, and you have said I 298 00:17:21,413 --> 00:17:25,893 Speaker 2: don't want a contract, and so look, I think that 299 00:17:26,093 --> 00:17:30,293 Speaker 2: might be maybe a possible development. I don't know, and 300 00:17:30,413 --> 00:17:33,013 Speaker 2: I don't know to what extent, but it's just a 301 00:17:33,133 --> 00:17:36,173 Speaker 2: thought that I have about each of those players who 302 00:17:36,253 --> 00:17:37,453 Speaker 2: want to make that choice. 303 00:17:38,613 --> 00:17:42,173 Speaker 5: Well, they are they are independent contractors. That's that's right, 304 00:17:42,413 --> 00:17:45,093 Speaker 5: purely what they are. And therefore once you're that, Once 305 00:17:45,173 --> 00:17:48,933 Speaker 5: you're that, you you then take on the fact that 306 00:17:50,133 --> 00:17:52,453 Speaker 5: what am I selling. I'm selling my ability, I'm selling 307 00:17:52,533 --> 00:17:55,933 Speaker 5: my capabilities. How do I what do I do to 308 00:17:56,013 --> 00:17:58,293 Speaker 5: protect that? Therefore, you know I do need it. I 309 00:17:58,333 --> 00:18:01,573 Speaker 5: do need a trainer which I can't go and access from. 310 00:18:01,653 --> 00:18:05,613 Speaker 5: I don't know the local province. Do I need a manager? 311 00:18:06,093 --> 00:18:06,253 Speaker 3: You know? 312 00:18:06,933 --> 00:18:10,053 Speaker 5: These are which are player would have New. 313 00:18:10,013 --> 00:18:13,053 Speaker 4: Zealand Cricket pay. New Zealand Cricket pays medical bills for 314 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:15,733 Speaker 4: players who are injured during their season. So the medical bills, 315 00:18:16,013 --> 00:18:19,533 Speaker 4: any operations should be the responsibility of who you're playing for. Now, 316 00:18:19,813 --> 00:18:23,413 Speaker 4: you know you're talking about player contracts and I mean 317 00:18:23,493 --> 00:18:25,093 Speaker 4: we don't know the ends and outs of those at 318 00:18:25,093 --> 00:18:30,173 Speaker 4: the moment, but you know it will take that kind 319 00:18:30,213 --> 00:18:33,693 Speaker 4: of situation where we're not seeing our players somebody else 320 00:18:33,773 --> 00:18:35,533 Speaker 4: has to pay the bills rather than New Zealand Cricket 321 00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:36,413 Speaker 4: and they're medical people. 322 00:18:36,973 --> 00:18:39,253 Speaker 5: Well, well that's where that's where as I said, these 323 00:18:39,253 --> 00:18:41,893 Speaker 5: are independent contractors. Now I don't know whether there are 324 00:18:42,253 --> 00:18:44,493 Speaker 5: what they what your term is carve outs in the 325 00:18:44,733 --> 00:18:47,693 Speaker 5: New Zealand contracts, which says that if you get injured 326 00:18:47,693 --> 00:18:51,933 Speaker 5: somewhere else, that's to your cost. But if it's not, 327 00:18:52,173 --> 00:18:55,053 Speaker 5: then it probably should be because the New Zealand crickets 328 00:18:55,053 --> 00:18:56,773 Speaker 5: shouldn't shouldn't have to pony up for. 329 00:18:56,893 --> 00:18:59,053 Speaker 3: That in my view. 330 00:18:59,093 --> 00:19:02,333 Speaker 5: But yes, I think, as I said, when we're moving 331 00:19:02,373 --> 00:19:05,253 Speaker 5: into it, into a whole whole, brave new world, and 332 00:19:05,933 --> 00:19:07,653 Speaker 5: these sort of things that you hadn't really thought about 333 00:19:07,693 --> 00:19:13,333 Speaker 5: previously coming to the fore and yeah, I'll be instant 334 00:19:13,373 --> 00:19:14,213 Speaker 5: the other plays out. 335 00:19:14,853 --> 00:19:17,373 Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll watch this with a lot of interest 336 00:19:17,413 --> 00:19:20,773 Speaker 4: because the first of October. We've not played international cricket 337 00:19:21,013 --> 00:19:23,253 Speaker 4: in the first of October and our players are not 338 00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:25,413 Speaker 4: going to be one hundred percent foot. We'll just have 339 00:19:25,573 --> 00:19:29,453 Speaker 4: to wait and see. The other interesting thing, the traditional 340 00:19:29,653 --> 00:19:33,573 Speaker 4: test calendar could lead to bankruptcy for certain nations that, 341 00:19:33,813 --> 00:19:38,373 Speaker 4: according to Cricket Australia chief Todd Greenberg is warned about 342 00:19:38,693 --> 00:19:42,333 Speaker 4: the possibility of a slim down schedule, we're literally trying 343 00:19:42,413 --> 00:19:44,973 Speaker 4: to send the country's bankrupt if we force them to 344 00:19:45,053 --> 00:19:49,733 Speaker 4: play test cricket. Well, he got a response from Mitchell Johnson, 345 00:19:49,813 --> 00:19:51,933 Speaker 4: and you know, I always thought that Mitchell Johnson was 346 00:19:52,053 --> 00:19:53,853 Speaker 4: just a fast bowler, but he actually makes a lot 347 00:19:53,893 --> 00:19:57,733 Speaker 4: of sense in what he's saying. His response to Greenberg was, 348 00:19:58,093 --> 00:20:01,173 Speaker 4: if you really care about test cricket, you don't start 349 00:20:01,293 --> 00:20:03,693 Speaker 4: by telling the smaller boards to play less of it. 350 00:20:04,133 --> 00:20:07,373 Speaker 4: You start by helping them to play more and the 351 00:20:07,493 --> 00:20:12,493 Speaker 4: right way, the right structures, treat them like partners, not liabilities. 352 00:20:13,173 --> 00:20:17,093 Speaker 4: I find that quite compelling. Jerry, Well, it is. 353 00:20:17,493 --> 00:20:20,493 Speaker 2: I don't think he'd get any arguments from me about 354 00:20:20,533 --> 00:20:23,893 Speaker 2: those sorts of things. Maybe we're saying that because we 355 00:20:24,133 --> 00:20:28,693 Speaker 2: are one of the smaller boards. But I think there's 356 00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:31,533 Speaker 2: also another aspect to this, WADS. I think there's a 357 00:20:32,053 --> 00:20:35,413 Speaker 2: slight sort of bit of geopolitics between the big three 358 00:20:35,573 --> 00:20:39,253 Speaker 2: going on at this point. I remember being over in 359 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:43,613 Speaker 2: England for the Worldtiest Championship there and Jaysharr was there 360 00:20:43,653 --> 00:20:50,253 Speaker 2: and Richard Gould, who's the guy who's the CEO of 361 00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:55,053 Speaker 2: the ECB England Cricket Board and India were pretty displeased 362 00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:58,693 Speaker 2: with England at the time because they ordered their players back. 363 00:20:58,973 --> 00:21:01,813 Speaker 2: It was either from the IPL late in the tournament 364 00:21:02,253 --> 00:21:06,453 Speaker 2: or maybe another franchise tournament. And of course India are 365 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:11,093 Speaker 2: involved in most of the tournaments now enfranchises and he 366 00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:13,693 Speaker 2: said this is Richard Gould said that he would back 367 00:21:13,893 --> 00:21:19,213 Speaker 2: India and not send English players to the proposed Saudi 368 00:21:19,293 --> 00:21:23,653 Speaker 2: Arabian tournament. You remember that they came up with an 369 00:21:23,733 --> 00:21:27,413 Speaker 2: idea and which was which was sort of pushed by 370 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:30,653 Speaker 2: an Australian called Glenn Maxwell, was it or Maxwell. 371 00:21:32,533 --> 00:21:33,893 Speaker 3: Who was here in New zeal And. 372 00:21:33,973 --> 00:21:40,093 Speaker 2: I remember they were basically saying to Australia, no, you're 373 00:21:40,133 --> 00:21:42,293 Speaker 2: not going to run this tournament, or if you do, 374 00:21:42,413 --> 00:21:44,053 Speaker 2: you're not going to get any of our top players 375 00:21:44,093 --> 00:21:48,373 Speaker 2: from India or England. And also at that time, of 376 00:21:48,493 --> 00:21:51,933 Speaker 2: course England were just receiving a hell of a lot 377 00:21:51,973 --> 00:21:54,533 Speaker 2: of money from India to pay with all their one 378 00:21:54,613 --> 00:21:58,573 Speaker 2: hundred teams for their franchises. So there was suddenly a 379 00:21:58,653 --> 00:22:02,413 Speaker 2: lot of money coming to those other India had it already, 380 00:22:03,173 --> 00:22:06,573 Speaker 2: England were getting it through the hundred and backing India, 381 00:22:07,213 --> 00:22:10,293 Speaker 2: and so then there was a case of what do 382 00:22:10,413 --> 00:22:15,133 Speaker 2: we do now the Saudi thing might not fly and 383 00:22:15,813 --> 00:22:19,853 Speaker 2: we've got our own franchises, local franchises paying for themselves 384 00:22:20,293 --> 00:22:22,653 Speaker 2: and not getting money for Well that's changed, hasn't it 385 00:22:22,773 --> 00:22:25,093 Speaker 2: since they are now going to sell some of those 386 00:22:25,173 --> 00:22:29,733 Speaker 2: big bash franchises. So I see this in kind of 387 00:22:29,853 --> 00:22:33,173 Speaker 2: that little bit of a terms as well of India 388 00:22:33,933 --> 00:22:39,253 Speaker 2: and England moving away from Australia slightly, and now Australia say, 389 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:42,893 Speaker 2: hang on a tick, we're with you. We're with you 390 00:22:43,053 --> 00:22:48,613 Speaker 2: here about about playing each other more often to make 391 00:22:48,773 --> 00:22:52,333 Speaker 2: money and to hell with those little ones. We're saving 392 00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:56,853 Speaker 2: you from being bankrupt for whatever that Kadjogga said, Well, yeah. 393 00:22:56,733 --> 00:23:00,053 Speaker 5: Well, just on that point, I mean, Todd Greenby, I 394 00:23:00,053 --> 00:23:02,213 Speaker 5: did read there was some interesting didn't he have his 395 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:04,813 Speaker 5: origins in the in the in the NRL. I think 396 00:23:04,853 --> 00:23:08,693 Speaker 5: he did so quite why now that he's here he's 397 00:23:08,733 --> 00:23:12,773 Speaker 5: now an expert in global cricket. But I did read 398 00:23:12,813 --> 00:23:15,013 Speaker 5: that with interest and I thought you were just talking 399 00:23:15,133 --> 00:23:18,733 Speaker 5: your own book here, Todd. And he did talk about 400 00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:21,733 Speaker 5: the fact that you know, we've got to prioritize quality. Well, 401 00:23:21,813 --> 00:23:25,213 Speaker 5: quantity is a subjective statement. Over over quantity, Well what 402 00:23:25,253 --> 00:23:27,533 Speaker 5: does that actually mean? What it means is we're going 403 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,333 Speaker 5: to play more because because we're going to make more money. 404 00:23:31,093 --> 00:23:33,413 Speaker 5: But it's going to get terribly tedious, isn't it? If England, 405 00:23:34,013 --> 00:23:37,133 Speaker 5: India and Australia just play each other. There's just there's 406 00:23:37,173 --> 00:23:39,573 Speaker 5: no interest in that New Zealand. When they go to 407 00:23:40,133 --> 00:23:43,493 Speaker 5: to Australia next year, I bet you the MCG is 408 00:23:43,573 --> 00:23:46,413 Speaker 5: going to be pretty pretty full of New Zealanders hoping 409 00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:49,613 Speaker 5: that New Zealand's going to front up. And to your 410 00:23:49,693 --> 00:23:53,013 Speaker 5: point was about what Mitchell Johnson said, He's one hundred 411 00:23:53,053 --> 00:23:56,813 Speaker 5: percent right in this. You actually share it, then you 412 00:23:56,933 --> 00:24:00,013 Speaker 5: can't build the global game. There's no trickle down here 413 00:24:00,813 --> 00:24:04,573 Speaker 5: and there needs to be because three three teams playing 414 00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,933 Speaker 5: each other is going to get very very tedious. 415 00:24:07,293 --> 00:24:07,493 Speaker 3: Yeah. 416 00:24:07,693 --> 00:24:09,493 Speaker 4: The thing at high to me is of course that 417 00:24:09,693 --> 00:24:12,533 Speaker 4: the game at the top level, the ICC and the 418 00:24:12,573 --> 00:24:16,853 Speaker 4: people who run it, are more interested in accumulation of 419 00:24:17,013 --> 00:24:20,293 Speaker 4: revenue rather than developing the sport the world over. The 420 00:24:20,373 --> 00:24:23,013 Speaker 4: fact that they've picked two new countries, Okay they're Zambia 421 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:26,253 Speaker 4: and t Moor. They're not going to be sides that 422 00:24:26,413 --> 00:24:28,173 Speaker 4: really matter a hell of a lot of the ICC, 423 00:24:28,613 --> 00:24:31,573 Speaker 4: but that is at least promoting the game in those areas. 424 00:24:31,973 --> 00:24:36,453 Speaker 4: But they should be also considering every format of the 425 00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:41,413 Speaker 4: game T twenty ODI and test matches and spending their 426 00:24:41,453 --> 00:24:46,013 Speaker 4: money in that way. Tests don't make the big revenue, 427 00:24:46,053 --> 00:24:48,133 Speaker 4: but if you make it somewhere else. Make sure you 428 00:24:48,253 --> 00:24:51,333 Speaker 4: apportioned the money to ensure that Test match cricket is 429 00:24:51,853 --> 00:24:52,813 Speaker 4: able to be promoted. 430 00:24:53,173 --> 00:24:58,653 Speaker 5: I'm convinced that given the opportunities a country, ic country 431 00:24:59,013 --> 00:25:02,053 Speaker 5: that I know well, and I'm fond of the Netherlands, 432 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:04,133 Speaker 5: I'm sure they would love to have maybe not five 433 00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:07,813 Speaker 5: day matches, but four day matches, just to build into it. 434 00:25:08,413 --> 00:25:11,693 Speaker 5: They play endlessly twenty twenty and maybe the old one 435 00:25:11,773 --> 00:25:15,133 Speaker 5: day game. I mean that it gets a little bit boring. Frankly, 436 00:25:15,373 --> 00:25:17,813 Speaker 5: if I'm a player, I know they'd love it. I mean, 437 00:25:18,493 --> 00:25:20,613 Speaker 5: how couldn't they plug one of those games on at 438 00:25:20,613 --> 00:25:23,573 Speaker 5: the end end of the tournaments that they variously play. 439 00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:26,373 Speaker 5: I don't know, but to me, that just seems to 440 00:25:26,453 --> 00:25:27,893 Speaker 5: me how you build the game. 441 00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:32,053 Speaker 2: You look at Scotland. They chose not to have a 442 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:37,133 Speaker 2: first class structure. They chose to be just one day formats, 443 00:25:37,533 --> 00:25:41,933 Speaker 2: and I think that's fine, that's absolutely okay. But I 444 00:25:42,093 --> 00:25:45,453 Speaker 2: do think as far as you know, there's two division 445 00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:49,773 Speaker 2: stuff that they're talking about, guys, there are already two divisions, 446 00:25:49,813 --> 00:25:52,773 Speaker 2: aren't there. Yeah, you know, there's the World Test Championship 447 00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:56,573 Speaker 2: Division and there's the others, which we'll ignore. Well, there's 448 00:25:56,573 --> 00:25:59,693 Speaker 2: actually probably three the third divisions. There are others that 449 00:25:59,813 --> 00:26:03,653 Speaker 2: we won't even let play tests. And so you know, 450 00:26:03,933 --> 00:26:09,413 Speaker 2: as far as that's concerned and money, at the moment, 451 00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:11,533 Speaker 2: we have a by it. We've always had a bilateral 452 00:26:11,693 --> 00:26:16,493 Speaker 2: series as the basis of our test cricket. And at 453 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:20,493 Speaker 2: the moment, the home side take the money away that 454 00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:24,133 Speaker 2: they make during the time that we have you know, 455 00:26:24,373 --> 00:26:26,973 Speaker 2: sides here. That's why everybody wants India in Australia there 456 00:26:26,973 --> 00:26:30,373 Speaker 2: at the moment, or England and but and that's it's 457 00:26:30,453 --> 00:26:33,133 Speaker 2: not but that money is going to have to be shared. 458 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:36,373 Speaker 2: It's going to have to flow through to other sides. 459 00:26:36,453 --> 00:26:39,373 Speaker 2: If this game is the test match, games are going 460 00:26:39,453 --> 00:26:44,213 Speaker 2: to continue, you know, so that if you're in the 461 00:26:44,373 --> 00:26:46,853 Speaker 2: second division you probably won't get as much as the 462 00:26:46,893 --> 00:26:49,693 Speaker 2: first division as it's shared out. But if there are 463 00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:54,133 Speaker 2: two tiers, then to me, you need one TV broadcasting partner. 464 00:26:54,773 --> 00:26:58,813 Speaker 2: You know, you share the world. We cannot have the 465 00:26:59,013 --> 00:27:03,253 Speaker 2: haves and the have nots, because just because they have 466 00:27:03,493 --> 00:27:08,253 Speaker 2: large broadcast deals, that's the reason that they've really been 467 00:27:08,373 --> 00:27:12,653 Speaker 2: come wealthy, and you end up with nobody able to play. 468 00:27:13,573 --> 00:27:15,613 Speaker 2: As you've pointed out, moves no one wants to play 469 00:27:15,733 --> 00:27:19,533 Speaker 2: just the same people every time. That's why. That's precisely 470 00:27:19,653 --> 00:27:24,333 Speaker 2: why I think all the boards got together and they said, 471 00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:28,813 Speaker 2: let's form a little thing called an ICC and will 472 00:27:28,933 --> 00:27:32,773 Speaker 2: organize a thing called a World Cup, and we'll just 473 00:27:33,013 --> 00:27:36,533 Speaker 2: then once we've got that, you design us a tournament 474 00:27:37,093 --> 00:27:40,093 Speaker 2: so we all play each other. You find a broadcaster 475 00:27:41,853 --> 00:27:47,573 Speaker 2: and we'll share the yearnings. And that's what really should 476 00:27:47,653 --> 00:27:51,213 Speaker 2: happen in these divisions that they are talking about. That 477 00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:55,453 Speaker 2: of course will not happen. India, Australia and England. Somehow 478 00:27:56,013 --> 00:27:58,253 Speaker 2: they will pull out. They will not be allowed to 479 00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:01,693 Speaker 2: fall out of Division one. You can be sure of that. 480 00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:06,813 Speaker 2: So that puts promotion relegation. It's a bit of a nonsense. 481 00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:11,813 Speaker 2: It'll be us, three of us and a few others 482 00:28:12,093 --> 00:28:15,493 Speaker 2: we want to play to make up to six and 483 00:28:15,613 --> 00:28:17,893 Speaker 2: the rest of you you go play on your own. 484 00:28:19,733 --> 00:28:24,413 Speaker 2: That's kind of what they're wanting, I think, And I 485 00:28:24,693 --> 00:28:28,573 Speaker 2: just feel that's not divisions. That's a league where you 486 00:28:28,653 --> 00:28:31,293 Speaker 2: don't get out of your league. Yeah, you don't get 487 00:28:31,333 --> 00:28:34,373 Speaker 2: out of your division. That's what they're proposing. 488 00:28:35,293 --> 00:28:40,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting subject that Jerry and Muse have had comments 489 00:28:40,613 --> 00:28:43,373 Speaker 4: on and there'll be more to have from that, I'm sure, 490 00:28:43,733 --> 00:28:47,253 Speaker 4: and other issues facing the international game as they look 491 00:28:47,293 --> 00:28:51,573 Speaker 4: to try and find a window to keep everybody happy come. 492 00:28:51,533 --> 00:28:52,173 Speaker 2: Out very shortly. 493 00:28:52,413 --> 00:28:55,533 Speaker 4: We're going to be joined by Mark Young and lives 494 00:28:55,533 --> 00:28:57,773 Speaker 4: on the Capity Coast but has had a lot of 495 00:28:57,813 --> 00:29:01,653 Speaker 4: inputs in cricket and Tim Moore less Day, which is 496 00:29:01,933 --> 00:29:05,653 Speaker 4: just admission to the ICC as an associate member. And 497 00:29:07,173 --> 00:29:11,413 Speaker 4: it's an interesting situation because of course they don't have 498 00:29:11,973 --> 00:29:13,853 Speaker 4: a hell of a lot of cricket in that part 499 00:29:13,893 --> 00:29:17,413 Speaker 4: of the world. Just before Mark joins us, though, on 500 00:29:17,533 --> 00:29:22,293 Speaker 4: a sad personal note, a former club player who played 501 00:29:22,373 --> 00:29:26,773 Speaker 4: for Karori when I was first starting out on my 502 00:29:27,333 --> 00:29:31,613 Speaker 4: club era has passed away. Peter Trusco played one game 503 00:29:31,773 --> 00:29:34,733 Speaker 4: for New Zealand, a Test metch against Pakistan and sixty 504 00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:40,373 Speaker 4: five punishing and attractive batsman to watch. It's passed away 505 00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:45,333 Speaker 4: in top Oak and said to hear of his passing. 506 00:29:46,813 --> 00:29:48,813 Speaker 4: I don't know whether you would have remembered. He probably 507 00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:51,733 Speaker 4: would have been playing before your time. Jerry and Welling. 508 00:29:51,853 --> 00:29:55,373 Speaker 4: He played Karori till about sixty six sixty seven. 509 00:29:56,133 --> 00:30:02,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was remember Prus got more for Wellington of course, 510 00:30:02,773 --> 00:30:06,813 Speaker 2: and then and then that Test match for New Zealand. 511 00:30:07,533 --> 00:30:10,293 Speaker 2: I did play again, I just started. I was still 512 00:30:10,333 --> 00:30:14,573 Speaker 2: at college, I remember at that time. But yeah, that's 513 00:30:14,613 --> 00:30:16,933 Speaker 2: about all I do recall as a sort of a 514 00:30:16,973 --> 00:30:17,813 Speaker 2: middle order bat. 515 00:30:18,533 --> 00:30:22,173 Speaker 4: Yep, he was. He was a sort of very much 516 00:30:23,013 --> 00:30:29,533 Speaker 4: an attacking style player and he brought to cricket in Wellington. 517 00:30:29,893 --> 00:30:33,653 Speaker 4: His early cricket routes from Mcadterbury. I don't know whether 518 00:30:33,653 --> 00:30:34,493 Speaker 4: you have played the Moose. 519 00:30:35,693 --> 00:30:39,853 Speaker 5: No predated me definitely, but I certainly remember his name, 520 00:30:41,653 --> 00:30:46,933 Speaker 5: and you know, to go back over things, what a 521 00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:50,133 Speaker 5: wonderful thing to've actually played one test for for for 522 00:30:50,293 --> 00:30:53,253 Speaker 5: New Zealand. And you'd never forget that, would you. 523 00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:54,653 Speaker 3: Well? 524 00:30:54,693 --> 00:30:57,253 Speaker 4: I think that happened quite a bit around that time too, 525 00:30:57,293 --> 00:30:59,013 Speaker 4: didn't it. Sort of the fifties and sixties. 526 00:30:59,893 --> 00:31:01,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, suppliers, But. 527 00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:05,333 Speaker 5: But you know what some of us would give our proverbial, 528 00:31:06,293 --> 00:31:10,453 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but a new contrast to the swan song 529 00:31:10,573 --> 00:31:13,933 Speaker 5: of a certain medium slow bowler who got quite a 530 00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:15,133 Speaker 5: chest recently. 531 00:31:16,213 --> 00:31:17,333 Speaker 4: And what's your proverbial? 532 00:31:19,853 --> 00:31:20,693 Speaker 5: Mostly the left one? 533 00:31:25,413 --> 00:31:30,093 Speaker 4: Because you didn't leave team many after that? Did you 534 00:31:30,213 --> 00:31:31,253 Speaker 4: leave many in those days? 535 00:31:31,453 --> 00:31:35,893 Speaker 5: Never mind, we will move on. Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney 536 00:31:36,773 --> 00:31:37,693 Speaker 5: on the front foot. 537 00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:40,973 Speaker 4: A recent announcement from the ICC meeting in Singapore might 538 00:31:41,053 --> 00:31:44,293 Speaker 4: not have attracted the celebrations it could have in many 539 00:31:44,373 --> 00:31:46,893 Speaker 4: parts of the cricket world, but it was a significant 540 00:31:46,933 --> 00:31:50,493 Speaker 4: statement from the top level administrators on the importance of 541 00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:52,613 Speaker 4: growing the game. They're up to one hundred and ten 542 00:31:53,093 --> 00:31:55,733 Speaker 4: members now in the ICC and the two new member 543 00:31:56,133 --> 00:32:01,733 Speaker 4: countries Zambian Cricket Union and Team or Less Day Cricket Federation. 544 00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:06,493 Speaker 4: They're part as the ICC Associate membership. There might have 545 00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:09,613 Speaker 4: been a glass or two raised by one Cavity coase 546 00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:12,253 Speaker 4: Rerisen if he'd been there, of course at the time. 547 00:32:12,293 --> 00:32:14,733 Speaker 4: I think he was in the UK enjoying the summer 548 00:32:14,813 --> 00:32:16,813 Speaker 4: and the cricket and that part of the world. Mark 549 00:32:16,853 --> 00:32:20,213 Speaker 4: Young has been a passionate cricket follower in recent times, 550 00:32:20,253 --> 00:32:23,133 Speaker 4: has spent a period in Team or Less Day whereas 551 00:32:23,213 --> 00:32:26,653 Speaker 4: we used to know East tm Or and Mark joins 552 00:32:26,733 --> 00:32:30,253 Speaker 4: us on the front foot. I wonder how being part 553 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:32,773 Speaker 4: of the ICC as associate member would have been received 554 00:32:32,813 --> 00:32:33,533 Speaker 4: in Dilly. 555 00:32:33,813 --> 00:32:38,893 Speaker 3: Mark you know what's good to be here? Yeah? Well, 556 00:32:39,133 --> 00:32:41,773 Speaker 3: I think in the small pockets of the cricket community 557 00:32:42,853 --> 00:32:45,373 Speaker 3: they were ecstatic, to be honest, but I think there's 558 00:32:45,373 --> 00:32:48,853 Speaker 3: still large portions of Dilly that probably don't really realize 559 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:53,173 Speaker 3: what cricket actually is. So it depends who you speak to. 560 00:32:53,373 --> 00:32:53,733 Speaker 3: I guess. 561 00:32:53,853 --> 00:32:57,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, So how's it got to this stage? I mean, 562 00:32:57,173 --> 00:33:00,493 Speaker 4: you've worked hard in terms of promotion and development for 563 00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:03,573 Speaker 4: the game there. Tell us about your involvement and how 564 00:33:03,573 --> 00:33:04,453 Speaker 4: it's got to the stage. 565 00:33:06,133 --> 00:33:09,213 Speaker 3: We were well, me and my partner Lara were volunteering 566 00:33:09,293 --> 00:33:13,893 Speaker 3: there through the essay in about twenty eighteen, well between 567 00:33:13,933 --> 00:33:19,493 Speaker 3: eighteen and twenty and one day, on the way back 568 00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:22,773 Speaker 3: from work on a microlate, which is a very small bus, 569 00:33:23,973 --> 00:33:27,213 Speaker 3: a bit of a dodgy bus that anyway, I saw 570 00:33:28,813 --> 00:33:32,493 Speaker 3: a few locals playing cracket with I couldn't believe it, 571 00:33:32,853 --> 00:33:38,973 Speaker 3: with sort of homemade bats and homemade stumps, and so 572 00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:41,573 Speaker 3: I'm like, did I really see that? The next day, 573 00:33:42,253 --> 00:33:47,733 Speaker 3: same journey, decided to get off introduce myself and they 574 00:33:47,813 --> 00:33:52,613 Speaker 3: invited me to come and coach. So I used all 575 00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:56,893 Speaker 3: the skills for my whitby junior under elevens to help 576 00:33:57,013 --> 00:34:00,253 Speaker 3: the team or less day youth, and it sort of 577 00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:02,213 Speaker 3: went on from there and we got a lot of 578 00:34:03,573 --> 00:34:06,853 Speaker 3: it was actually bounded by a Pakistani guy, Van tire 579 00:34:07,213 --> 00:34:13,733 Speaker 3: and Man and Maliana his Timris wife who we're passionate 580 00:34:13,813 --> 00:34:18,253 Speaker 3: about cricket. They got a few players at Youngster's playing 581 00:34:18,693 --> 00:34:21,333 Speaker 3: but as to say, they had these that homemade equipment, 582 00:34:21,893 --> 00:34:24,693 Speaker 3: like a homemade bat and a homemade stumps. The bat 583 00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:28,173 Speaker 3: was actually the size the width of the of the stumps, 584 00:34:28,293 --> 00:34:32,733 Speaker 3: so totally illegal. You know, you'd never have got Jeff 585 00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:36,173 Speaker 3: boy got out with it. But anyway, it was that 586 00:34:36,933 --> 00:34:38,933 Speaker 3: that was what they were using. And so I got 587 00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:42,613 Speaker 3: involved and we managed to get some gear from local 588 00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:48,973 Speaker 3: clubs around Wellington that Christmas of twenty eighteen, and yeah, 589 00:34:49,133 --> 00:34:52,973 Speaker 3: it sort of went on from there really and grew 590 00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:53,453 Speaker 3: the game. 591 00:34:54,333 --> 00:34:57,493 Speaker 4: Yeah you've been arranging gear for some time. You've been 592 00:34:57,533 --> 00:34:58,493 Speaker 4: a couple of guys, haven't you. 593 00:35:00,013 --> 00:35:03,453 Speaker 3: Yeah's a couple of guys you know. Recently this year 594 00:35:03,613 --> 00:35:08,613 Speaker 3: thanks to Cricket Wellington who donated quite a few, quite 595 00:35:08,613 --> 00:35:13,253 Speaker 3: a lot of gear, sort of plastic you know, kids 596 00:35:13,533 --> 00:35:18,573 Speaker 3: gear which is great for schools. And also there's an 597 00:35:18,653 --> 00:35:22,373 Speaker 3: organization in the UK called Back for a Chance run 598 00:35:22,493 --> 00:35:27,453 Speaker 3: by Will and Nicky and John and they provide gear 599 00:35:27,533 --> 00:35:30,133 Speaker 3: to developing countries around the world. And we applied and 600 00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:35,133 Speaker 3: we managed to get hold of what will be about 601 00:35:35,213 --> 00:35:38,093 Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five bags full of gear from 602 00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:43,733 Speaker 3: the UK that will basically help the national men's team, 603 00:35:43,773 --> 00:35:46,413 Speaker 3: the national women's team that's currently at the moment on 604 00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:51,773 Speaker 3: its way from hopefully from London to Dilly on a 605 00:35:51,853 --> 00:35:56,413 Speaker 3: container and that should arrive in October. So yeah, getting 606 00:35:56,453 --> 00:36:01,413 Speaker 3: the equipment is very is critical to develop cricket in 607 00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:03,613 Speaker 3: Team More. But it's not the easiest place to get 608 00:36:03,653 --> 00:36:07,973 Speaker 3: to and I should should add that when we sent 609 00:36:08,053 --> 00:36:12,413 Speaker 3: the gear earlier this year from from Wellington to Dilly, 610 00:36:12,853 --> 00:36:15,293 Speaker 3: it was thanks to the New Zealand Defense Force who 611 00:36:15,653 --> 00:36:18,973 Speaker 3: had a spare corner on a container, so we used it. 612 00:36:19,613 --> 00:36:22,333 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess you'd still want more gears. 613 00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:26,653 Speaker 4: So anybody who wants to provide some gear or help 614 00:36:26,973 --> 00:36:29,373 Speaker 4: with the development of the game over there, we can 615 00:36:30,613 --> 00:36:33,853 Speaker 4: be in contact with Mark and you can get us 616 00:36:33,973 --> 00:36:37,533 Speaker 4: on the front foot twenty at gmail dot com and 617 00:36:38,693 --> 00:36:42,213 Speaker 4: we can offer the opportunity to get gear up to 618 00:36:42,613 --> 00:36:45,973 Speaker 4: Team More. What about the standard of play, It won't 619 00:36:46,013 --> 00:36:46,573 Speaker 4: be that high. 620 00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:53,013 Speaker 3: I imagine it's not that high. No, currently and it's 621 00:36:53,493 --> 00:36:57,933 Speaker 3: we had up to about two hundred youngsters playing. There 622 00:36:58,093 --> 00:37:01,653 Speaker 3: is actually an older group of players who are a 623 00:37:01,693 --> 00:37:04,893 Speaker 3: lot of like expat Indians and Pakistanis who will play 624 00:37:06,333 --> 00:37:12,333 Speaker 3: every Sunday at a particular ground in Dilley where they 625 00:37:12,573 --> 00:37:15,533 Speaker 3: use their four wheel drives to flatten the pitch and 626 00:37:16,893 --> 00:37:22,053 Speaker 3: before they start, and yeah, they have some pretty fierce contests. 627 00:37:22,093 --> 00:37:25,333 Speaker 3: So there are some some sort of expats that play 628 00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:27,293 Speaker 3: and have played for a number of years. But we're 629 00:37:27,373 --> 00:37:32,853 Speaker 3: obviously aiming at the younger generation of Timorese going into 630 00:37:32,933 --> 00:37:39,533 Speaker 3: schools and yeah, so certainly the quality is not there yet. 631 00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:43,493 Speaker 3: But I did take two younger, the better young the 632 00:37:43,693 --> 00:37:47,053 Speaker 3: more talented Timmeris to dow it. But a few years 633 00:37:47,053 --> 00:37:50,933 Speaker 3: ago and the and the North, you know, the anti 634 00:37:51,053 --> 00:37:54,613 Speaker 3: cricket guys were very welcoming and they were there for 635 00:37:54,693 --> 00:37:59,013 Speaker 3: a week and they were very impressed with the abilities, 636 00:37:59,133 --> 00:38:03,213 Speaker 3: the actual natural abilities of these Timori Timaris cricketers. So 637 00:38:03,653 --> 00:38:05,893 Speaker 3: so the talent is there, but it is very raw 638 00:38:06,173 --> 00:38:09,533 Speaker 3: and needs quite a lot of yeah developments. 639 00:38:10,653 --> 00:38:13,453 Speaker 4: Do you get assistance from the ICC, Will they be 640 00:38:13,613 --> 00:38:18,333 Speaker 4: helping out and will there be opportunities for players to 641 00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:22,133 Speaker 4: play in competitions outside team more, because I guess that's 642 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,013 Speaker 4: where they get most of their cricket at the moment, 643 00:38:24,053 --> 00:38:24,373 Speaker 4: doesn't it. 644 00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:29,493 Speaker 3: Well, it is, yeah, I mean well we we We've 645 00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:33,213 Speaker 3: only had one actually offshore tour and that was de 646 00:38:33,333 --> 00:38:38,653 Speaker 3: Bali last year. So I mean ic CE a critical Obviously, 647 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:42,093 Speaker 3: becoming an ic C associate member has a bit of 648 00:38:42,173 --> 00:38:45,213 Speaker 3: a game changer for Team More Cricket and they they 649 00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:51,853 Speaker 3: have been excellent in terms of providing support. Yeah, giving 650 00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:54,693 Speaker 3: us a plan of what we need to do. We 651 00:38:55,533 --> 00:38:58,453 Speaker 3: need to develop a couple of grounds, and particularly women's 652 00:38:58,493 --> 00:39:03,253 Speaker 3: cricket is a big is a big focus and and 653 00:39:03,373 --> 00:39:07,253 Speaker 3: they've been helpful in terms of, you know, pointings in 654 00:39:07,333 --> 00:39:11,493 Speaker 3: the right direction. A guy called Toby and Emily at 655 00:39:11,773 --> 00:39:17,413 Speaker 3: ICC who have been our main points of contact, and yeah, 656 00:39:17,453 --> 00:39:20,893 Speaker 3: they they're at a we've actually just done a budget 657 00:39:21,093 --> 00:39:24,373 Speaker 3: for the next few months and they will be giving 658 00:39:24,453 --> 00:39:29,053 Speaker 3: us some money to help develop the game in two 659 00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:32,093 Speaker 3: more and as an associate member you get a certain 660 00:39:32,093 --> 00:39:36,173 Speaker 3: amount of money a year which you know is to 661 00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:38,493 Speaker 3: develop the game and that is a game change it 662 00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:39,413 Speaker 3: for Team More Cricket. 663 00:39:40,093 --> 00:39:44,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, you talked about going to Northern Territory in Australia. 664 00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:48,493 Speaker 4: That I guess is a closer option as well. You 665 00:39:48,613 --> 00:39:50,853 Speaker 4: probably want an hour away from Darwin. 666 00:39:52,093 --> 00:39:55,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, Darwin Dilly is about an hour and a bit 667 00:39:55,813 --> 00:39:59,413 Speaker 3: flight than Darwin. It's it's it's incredibly close. It kind 668 00:39:59,453 --> 00:40:02,653 Speaker 3: of feels like different planets sometimes when you when you 669 00:40:02,773 --> 00:40:07,333 Speaker 3: do that trip. But yeah, Northern Territage cricket, you know, 670 00:40:07,413 --> 00:40:10,373 Speaker 3: that's a link that we want to develop undoubtedly. Yeah. 671 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:13,293 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, because you've got to find a way 672 00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:17,653 Speaker 4: of improving quality and getting the standard up so that 673 00:40:17,813 --> 00:40:21,133 Speaker 4: you can play in whatever regional tournaments the. 674 00:40:21,413 --> 00:40:28,533 Speaker 3: ICC host absolutely absolutely, yeah so and yeah, so there's 675 00:40:28,613 --> 00:40:31,893 Speaker 3: nt cricket and of course coaching, you know, we want 676 00:40:31,973 --> 00:40:35,093 Speaker 3: to get some more professional coaching over to Team more 677 00:40:36,293 --> 00:40:38,813 Speaker 3: and they may be able to help us with that. 678 00:40:39,773 --> 00:40:44,413 Speaker 3: But there's other countries in the region like Indonesia and 679 00:40:45,013 --> 00:40:48,533 Speaker 3: Pappy New Guinea and who are part of this East Asia. 680 00:40:48,813 --> 00:40:51,133 Speaker 3: So so Team always become part of what they call 681 00:40:51,693 --> 00:40:56,573 Speaker 3: East Stagia Pacific ICC, which is and there's twelve countries 682 00:40:56,893 --> 00:41:01,413 Speaker 3: involved in that, including Indonesia, Pappy New Guinea, Thailand, et cetera, 683 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:05,293 Speaker 3: et cetera. So they are our closest sort of playing 684 00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:09,013 Speaker 3: partners and they are hopefully who we will start playing 685 00:41:09,253 --> 00:41:12,573 Speaker 3: in T twenty competitions in the next two or three years, 686 00:41:13,093 --> 00:41:18,733 Speaker 3: subject to askedding, you know, developing to that sort of standard. Yeah, 687 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,813 Speaker 3: so some people have sort of equated team or a 688 00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:24,813 Speaker 3: little bit to Afghanistan. I mean they're obviously the you know, 689 00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:29,493 Speaker 3: the the amazing achievement they've made and both sort of 690 00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:36,053 Speaker 3: very conflict post conflict you know countries, and yeah, but 691 00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:37,933 Speaker 3: I guess we've got a long way to go to 692 00:41:38,053 --> 00:41:41,413 Speaker 3: emulate Afghanistan. But it's amazing what they've done. You know, 693 00:41:41,533 --> 00:41:42,933 Speaker 3: you never know where you're going to get it from. 694 00:41:42,973 --> 00:41:45,253 Speaker 3: There was a guy in the middle of nowhere in 695 00:41:45,333 --> 00:41:47,893 Speaker 3: the wire Rappa, a Yorkshireman actually, and he had about 696 00:41:47,973 --> 00:41:51,893 Speaker 3: fifty or sixty cricket balls that I went out to get. 697 00:41:51,933 --> 00:41:54,133 Speaker 3: You know, you never know what's in people's garages. So 698 00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,933 Speaker 3: the more gear the better. The other thing that we 699 00:41:58,533 --> 00:42:02,213 Speaker 3: are doing is we have a plan to develop a 700 00:42:02,293 --> 00:42:06,213 Speaker 3: new ground by the end of this year, and so 701 00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:09,653 Speaker 3: we are fundraising. We've just started to give a little 702 00:42:09,733 --> 00:42:15,093 Speaker 3: page to help fundraise for funds for you know, to 703 00:42:15,213 --> 00:42:18,933 Speaker 3: develop that ground, which will be the Lords of Team 704 00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:22,813 Speaker 3: more probably probably have the slope as well. 705 00:42:23,013 --> 00:42:26,973 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, well quite clearly you'll be able to 706 00:42:27,493 --> 00:42:30,173 Speaker 4: apply your trade as a player in that part of 707 00:42:30,213 --> 00:42:32,573 Speaker 4: the world, knowing your expertise with the ball. 708 00:42:33,293 --> 00:42:35,773 Speaker 3: Who knows, I might make my international debut for Team 709 00:42:35,813 --> 00:42:38,293 Speaker 3: More in Bali in November if they do that, which 710 00:42:38,293 --> 00:42:39,933 Speaker 3: will be kind of crazy. 711 00:42:40,253 --> 00:42:43,133 Speaker 4: Thanks yay, very good to talk to you, and we'll 712 00:42:43,413 --> 00:42:46,853 Speaker 4: keep up to date with any hope that you know, 713 00:42:46,933 --> 00:42:49,213 Speaker 4: somebody will come forward with some gear that they can 714 00:42:49,293 --> 00:42:49,533 Speaker 4: offer you. 715 00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:52,453 Speaker 3: Thank you, Well's really appreciate it, appreciate your time. 716 00:42:52,893 --> 00:42:57,653 Speaker 4: Thanks for much, Marky. It'd be an interesting prospect Lord's 717 00:42:57,973 --> 00:43:00,933 Speaker 4: team or they're looking for a new ground up there, Jerry. 718 00:43:00,973 --> 00:43:04,013 Speaker 4: I don't know whether you would actually qualify to play there, 719 00:43:04,053 --> 00:43:08,533 Speaker 4: but I'm sure you've played in some unusual places. My 720 00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:10,133 Speaker 4: I remember you went to once. 721 00:43:09,973 --> 00:43:10,333 Speaker 2: Didn't you. 722 00:43:11,293 --> 00:43:11,493 Speaker 3: Yeah? 723 00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,293 Speaker 2: I did. That's entire the north of Ti chang Rai, 724 00:43:14,613 --> 00:43:18,693 Speaker 2: chang Rai, chang Rai, Yeah, chang Rai up in the top. 725 00:43:20,093 --> 00:43:22,733 Speaker 2: I enjoyed that from Mark. Actually, is he the guy 726 00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:26,853 Speaker 2: that I occasionally drank? Was at your place? It okay? 727 00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:30,893 Speaker 2: All right? Well, no, good guy. He sounds a nice 728 00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:34,533 Speaker 2: guy too, and I loved that idea of the him 729 00:43:34,653 --> 00:43:40,173 Speaker 2: seeing them roll the picture with a four wheeled drive vehicle. 730 00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,413 Speaker 3: What is that different? 731 00:43:44,053 --> 00:43:47,173 Speaker 2: Yeah? Different, A bit different from discussing pictures with Meg 732 00:43:47,293 --> 00:43:50,573 Speaker 2: lay on the ground staff from Lords actually a couple 733 00:43:50,613 --> 00:43:51,693 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, wasn't it. 734 00:43:52,653 --> 00:43:56,413 Speaker 4: Yes, So yeah, you know there may be something for 735 00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:58,453 Speaker 4: us to go up there and play. When they take 736 00:43:58,493 --> 00:43:59,493 Speaker 4: it take a too. 737 00:43:59,373 --> 00:44:03,693 Speaker 2: Well, I think, yeah, I think I probably think with 738 00:44:03,813 --> 00:44:06,533 Speaker 2: all with those four wheel drive tire tracks, I think 739 00:44:06,573 --> 00:44:11,733 Speaker 2: it'd be a bit variable, and so I probably i'd 740 00:44:11,773 --> 00:44:16,173 Speaker 2: probably go off my long run up and that would 741 00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:20,853 Speaker 2: be that would race to four paces. Now I just 742 00:44:20,973 --> 00:44:23,213 Speaker 2: had a hit done, of course, so it's more of 743 00:44:23,293 --> 00:44:28,013 Speaker 2: a more of a stagger than a run up. And 744 00:44:28,093 --> 00:44:31,853 Speaker 2: I'm hoping they're using still in team or less a 745 00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:35,053 Speaker 2: two piece balls so that I could get a bit 746 00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:38,733 Speaker 2: of swing. You you would feel for me was on 747 00:44:38,853 --> 00:44:42,893 Speaker 2: the off side where I think your sledging would be 748 00:44:42,973 --> 00:44:44,413 Speaker 2: more effective than your fielding. 749 00:44:45,133 --> 00:44:45,253 Speaker 6: Uh. 750 00:44:45,653 --> 00:44:49,053 Speaker 2: And the last time I saw you on the park 751 00:44:49,773 --> 00:44:52,973 Speaker 2: in a match, you've got to catchure it where you 752 00:44:53,093 --> 00:44:57,973 Speaker 2: didn't didn't really demand you to move too far, and 753 00:44:58,893 --> 00:45:02,533 Speaker 2: as the ball descended it arrived and it must have 754 00:45:02,613 --> 00:45:05,773 Speaker 2: burst through your heads or maybe your hands weren't in 755 00:45:05,813 --> 00:45:06,453 Speaker 2: the right place. 756 00:45:06,533 --> 00:45:07,053 Speaker 4: I don't know. 757 00:45:07,853 --> 00:45:11,053 Speaker 2: But I did see it collide with your head. It did, 758 00:45:11,253 --> 00:45:17,373 Speaker 2: and yeah, and it rebounded and bounced over the boundary 759 00:45:17,453 --> 00:45:21,533 Speaker 2: for six. So you're not You're not going legs side 760 00:45:21,533 --> 00:45:25,013 Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned. And when we bat wadds 761 00:45:26,013 --> 00:45:32,013 Speaker 2: with our failing eyesight, I think it's sort of convulsive 762 00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:39,213 Speaker 2: cony locomotion and your twitchy waddle waddle singles are out. 763 00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:45,213 Speaker 2: I would say yes and maybe pause. Very fortunate and 764 00:45:45,293 --> 00:45:46,693 Speaker 2: mainly from the inside edge. 765 00:45:47,373 --> 00:45:50,253 Speaker 4: I'd be tight. I'd be tired out walking out to 766 00:45:50,293 --> 00:45:53,013 Speaker 4: the middle to bat. But we couldn't get a game 767 00:45:53,093 --> 00:45:56,253 Speaker 4: going up there of geriatrics, and you might. 768 00:45:57,293 --> 00:46:02,053 Speaker 2: We'll all go up and I'd be well, I think 769 00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:03,333 Speaker 2: both of us below nine. 770 00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:10,613 Speaker 4: Look, have you played on unusual grounds where you wouldn't 771 00:46:10,613 --> 00:46:12,413 Speaker 4: expected to play any cricket? 772 00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:14,773 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, yeah, I do. 773 00:46:14,973 --> 00:46:17,413 Speaker 5: In a number of spring to mind, and one in 774 00:46:17,493 --> 00:46:20,253 Speaker 5: particular which has scarred me and has also given me 775 00:46:20,293 --> 00:46:22,933 Speaker 5: great trouble. It's obscure and it's it's it's it's up 776 00:46:22,973 --> 00:46:26,293 Speaker 5: in the highlands of Johnson book called Alex Moore Park. 777 00:46:26,813 --> 00:46:28,333 Speaker 3: There's never really from the. 778 00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:31,533 Speaker 2: Hell and Isaac will be listening to this. 779 00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:36,693 Speaker 5: I mean there was straight, I mean I mean the 780 00:46:36,933 --> 00:46:41,533 Speaker 5: local inhabitants were largely described as the village idiots. 781 00:46:41,613 --> 00:46:41,813 Speaker 3: And so. 782 00:46:45,213 --> 00:46:49,133 Speaker 5: God knows where and and and I've never Yeah, it's 783 00:46:49,213 --> 00:46:51,493 Speaker 5: it's it's it's a sense that scarred me ever since. 784 00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:56,813 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's kill there Johnsonville listeners. 785 00:46:57,293 --> 00:46:59,693 Speaker 2: We can't. Yeah, we have to be traveling through and 786 00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:02,813 Speaker 2: very strong cars like sort of four wheel drives. 787 00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:05,573 Speaker 4: Do you think maybe, well, some of us learned how 788 00:47:05,653 --> 00:47:08,213 Speaker 4: cricket on Thennville Park had to play there for God. 789 00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:12,493 Speaker 2: So come in we did, We did, and it didn't 790 00:47:12,533 --> 00:47:15,053 Speaker 2: have that little rise at the end. Remember that moose 791 00:47:15,093 --> 00:47:17,813 Speaker 2: you had come out at Elmore and you have that 792 00:47:17,933 --> 00:47:20,413 Speaker 2: little rise at the end there that would at the 793 00:47:20,493 --> 00:47:21,973 Speaker 2: ball at least would come back to you. 794 00:47:24,973 --> 00:47:27,333 Speaker 4: What about overseas, No. 795 00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:31,013 Speaker 5: No, I look at you know, having played played in 796 00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:34,093 Speaker 5: northern England, you ended up playing in some pretty interesting places. 797 00:47:34,253 --> 00:47:37,213 Speaker 5: And and I also played a lot of what they 798 00:47:37,293 --> 00:47:39,333 Speaker 5: used to call them those days, jazz hat cricket, which 799 00:47:39,373 --> 00:47:42,533 Speaker 5: is now been embraced in New Zealand with like people 800 00:47:42,853 --> 00:47:47,253 Speaker 5: people of middle aged persuasions, like wearing struppy blazers. But 801 00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:53,053 Speaker 5: that took me to small grounds, private grounds cricket. Really 802 00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,253 Speaker 5: tell you what it's we we we. We've been dealing 803 00:47:57,293 --> 00:48:00,613 Speaker 5: with geopolitical stuff, but at its core it's given me 804 00:48:01,853 --> 00:48:03,813 Speaker 5: a lot of great memories and a lot of mates 805 00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:04,613 Speaker 5: around the world. 806 00:48:04,933 --> 00:48:05,093 Speaker 3: You know. 807 00:48:05,253 --> 00:48:08,693 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of been the home for a lot 808 00:48:08,733 --> 00:48:10,853 Speaker 4: of fun cricket and I'm sure they have a lot 809 00:48:10,893 --> 00:48:12,693 Speaker 4: of fun and each team more. And I'll have a 810 00:48:12,733 --> 00:48:14,453 Speaker 4: word with Young he might be able to arrange a 811 00:48:14,453 --> 00:48:15,853 Speaker 4: trip for us to get even if we go out 812 00:48:15,853 --> 00:48:17,773 Speaker 4: there and play six a side, you know, that could 813 00:48:17,813 --> 00:48:19,373 Speaker 4: be an interesting challenge. 814 00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:23,493 Speaker 2: Much running, too much running came into the bush. 815 00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:28,133 Speaker 5: I can feel the twins in my hamstring already. 816 00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:31,653 Speaker 2: Well your insurance. 817 00:48:33,253 --> 00:48:36,693 Speaker 4: We'll try and get some people to give to the 818 00:48:36,813 --> 00:48:38,733 Speaker 4: give a little page. They're also setting up to try 819 00:48:38,773 --> 00:48:43,053 Speaker 4: and establish a new ground in Dilly in tim or Leste, 820 00:48:43,613 --> 00:48:48,253 Speaker 4: one of two new countries admitted to the ICC, Zambia 821 00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:50,533 Speaker 4: being the other. There's one hundred and ten members of 822 00:48:50,573 --> 00:48:53,613 Speaker 4: the ICC, so it's a fairly strong outfit in terms 823 00:48:53,653 --> 00:48:57,893 Speaker 4: of the reach. Whether it does enough for those places 824 00:48:57,973 --> 00:49:01,453 Speaker 4: as it does for itself in India and other places, 825 00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:04,333 Speaker 4: I'm not too sure. Thanks for making the trip home, 826 00:49:04,453 --> 00:49:07,213 Speaker 4: Jerry to join us, Otherwise it would have been pretty 827 00:49:07,293 --> 00:49:10,293 Speaker 4: tough on Moose. I just doing this all on our own, 828 00:49:11,213 --> 00:49:14,733 Speaker 4: so I'm glad you're able to come home and actually 829 00:49:14,773 --> 00:49:16,333 Speaker 4: your house was still standing. 830 00:49:17,773 --> 00:49:22,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is that that was a bonus. I 831 00:49:22,813 --> 00:49:28,133 Speaker 2: don't think we flew over t more, just a bit 832 00:49:28,213 --> 00:49:34,533 Speaker 2: to the east of that. It's actually I didn't look 833 00:49:34,573 --> 00:49:39,733 Speaker 2: it upwards to see how many grounds they play on 834 00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:44,293 Speaker 2: at the moment, which I guess looks like school cricket 835 00:49:44,373 --> 00:49:46,973 Speaker 2: to me, or which is a good place to start 836 00:49:47,373 --> 00:49:50,693 Speaker 2: get the kids involved. And then they also have one 837 00:49:51,293 --> 00:49:54,653 Speaker 2: that's at Dilly in the capital, as you mentioned, the 838 00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:58,693 Speaker 2: Tussy Tollu ground in Dilly, and they start at seven 839 00:49:58,773 --> 00:50:06,293 Speaker 2: am in the morning. They speak two languages there, but look, 840 00:50:06,453 --> 00:50:09,453 Speaker 2: obviously I think Portuguese. Their skull is the word for school, 841 00:50:09,533 --> 00:50:14,653 Speaker 2: I think, isn't it. At scholar Pechondria bahlabah esb. They 842 00:50:14,733 --> 00:50:18,813 Speaker 2: were playing the Dilly Dragons at seven am on September 843 00:50:18,893 --> 00:50:22,533 Speaker 2: the sixth, and then at nine o'clock in the morning 844 00:50:23,053 --> 00:50:26,293 Speaker 2: the Dilly International School. Well that makes sense, doesn't it 845 00:50:27,013 --> 00:50:31,973 Speaker 2: playing a Scholar Fenatil. So those are the two matches 846 00:50:32,013 --> 00:50:34,813 Speaker 2: at that ground in Dilly. And then there's another place 847 00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:40,013 Speaker 2: which is a province away to the northwest of Dilley, 848 00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:44,013 Speaker 2: which is at one end kind of the western end of. 849 00:50:45,613 --> 00:50:46,053 Speaker 3: T More. 850 00:50:46,573 --> 00:50:49,053 Speaker 2: And that is a place I don't know how to 851 00:50:49,173 --> 00:50:50,053 Speaker 2: pronounce it, guys. 852 00:50:50,093 --> 00:50:58,293 Speaker 6: It's OECU ssec or something I can't anyway, And there's 853 00:50:58,333 --> 00:51:00,813 Speaker 6: a cricket ground and they were playing three games on 854 00:51:00,933 --> 00:51:04,933 Speaker 6: September the sixth, and they're at nine am, twelve pm 855 00:51:05,013 --> 00:51:06,533 Speaker 6: and three thirty pm. 856 00:51:06,573 --> 00:51:09,493 Speaker 2: So a little bit longer. It's one hundred sixty three k's. 857 00:51:09,973 --> 00:51:12,693 Speaker 2: It takes you three hours and three minutes by car 858 00:51:13,573 --> 00:51:17,253 Speaker 2: to get there from Dilley, or fifty two minutes in 859 00:51:17,333 --> 00:51:17,813 Speaker 2: a plane. 860 00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:19,813 Speaker 3: So there you go. 861 00:51:21,853 --> 00:51:24,013 Speaker 4: Well, could could be a lot of fun on our 862 00:51:24,093 --> 00:51:26,453 Speaker 4: trip up that part of the world. I'll get Youngie 863 00:51:26,493 --> 00:51:27,853 Speaker 4: onto it and we'll see what we can do in 864 00:51:28,013 --> 00:51:31,053 Speaker 4: terms of a tour. You'll be you'd be started, Remoose, 865 00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:32,533 Speaker 4: yes or no. 866 00:51:33,453 --> 00:51:34,893 Speaker 5: Look, look I'll come back to you on that if 867 00:51:34,933 --> 00:51:35,373 Speaker 5: that's all right. 868 00:51:35,613 --> 00:51:38,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the seven am one is good 869 00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:43,933 Speaker 2: for Moose. I think maybe the three thirty he can 870 00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:46,573 Speaker 2: kind of get he can kind of get his strapping 871 00:51:46,693 --> 00:51:47,373 Speaker 2: done by then. 872 00:51:48,533 --> 00:51:49,013 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what. 873 00:51:50,493 --> 00:51:51,493 Speaker 3: You will look into that. 874 00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:55,173 Speaker 4: We'll look into that Thanks guys, till you again that. 875 00:51:56,733 --> 00:51:57,333 Speaker 3: That can. 876 00:52:00,413 --> 00:52:00,773 Speaker 4: Summer. 877 00:52:07,613 --> 00:52:10,173 Speaker 1: For more from youse talk Ed b listen live on 878 00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:13,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 879 00:52:13,333 --> 00:52:15,893 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio