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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Liam Dan, New Zealand Herald's Business editor at Large,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to this episode of Money Talks. This is

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Speaker 1: a podcast about money, but we're not going to tell

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Speaker 1: you how to get rich, and we're not going to

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Speaker 1: try and pick the next interest rate move. In this series,

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Speaker 1: I'll be talking to interesting New Zealanders about how money

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Speaker 1: has shaped their lives and what they've learned over the years.

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Speaker 1: For today's podcast, I'm joined by businesswoman, TV star and

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Speaker 1: infomercial icon Suzanne Paul Cura. Suzanne, welcome to Money Talks.

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Speaker 2: Thank you good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's great to have you here. That intro

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Speaker 1: is it's almost difficult to put together intro for someone

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Speaker 1: who's had such a varied career as you've had. I

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Speaker 1: guess business woman is a big part of it, right.

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Speaker 2: I suppose so, yes, Well, right.

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Speaker 1: Now the focus is are TV Star. I guess of

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Speaker 1: those things you're back on ce Liberty Treasure Island for

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Speaker 1: the second time.

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Speaker 2: I understand, Yes, I did it twenty odd years ago.

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Speaker 1: Can well is it that long?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. So how was it the second time around?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's all sorts of things you can't say,

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Speaker 1: but how did you find the experience this time around

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Speaker 1: compared to I.

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Speaker 2: Would say it was better because I was expecting the

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Speaker 2: worst because it was pretty bad the first time. So yes,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't improved.

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Speaker 1: Right, and you probably can talk about the first time.

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Speaker 1: Was that just really rough condition?

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Speaker 2: It was we were literally just dropped off and it

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Speaker 2: was women versus men back then, and they literally said

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Speaker 2: to us, there you are, and the men are over

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Speaker 2: there where we couldn't see them, and so build a camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you just got off. You're on the

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Speaker 2: island and it was raining and it was getting dark.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So it's a little bit more like one of

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Speaker 1: those survival shows. It was, so this is this is

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Speaker 1: the stuff around. It's a bit more about the challenges

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Speaker 1: and the yea, all the games effectively if you play. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I hope but well, I know you can't say

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Speaker 1: anything more about that really, but people will be looking

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Speaker 1: forward to see that. I guess I want to go

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Speaker 1: right back because it's what we do in money talks

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Speaker 1: and talk about your first memories of money. You're certainly

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Speaker 1: a New Zealand national treasure, but you were born in Wolverhampton,

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Speaker 1: which I looked up because I thought it was further

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Speaker 2: Yes, they call it the West Midlands. It's right in

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Speaker 2: the middle really, as you say, next to Birmingham Coventry.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah. And so what were your first memories

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Speaker 1: of having your own money do you recall, you know, as.

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Speaker 2: A child, I remember more not having any money. That's

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Speaker 2: it's memory of not having it because it was a

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Speaker 2: very working class area and it was a particularly this

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Speaker 2: part of Wolverhampton that I grew up in was very

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Speaker 2: very low working class. So we didn't even have a bathroom.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have a shower, we didn't have a bath,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you picture that, it's like Coronation Street,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I didn't realize probably till I

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Speaker 2: because if you're only mixing with people the same as you,

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Speaker 2: you know, we didn't have cars, we didn't have telephones.

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Speaker 2: It was all very basic, you know. But I realized yeah, probably, yeah,

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Speaker 2: when I was about ten or eleven. Then I started

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Speaker 2: And I think it's because when you're eleven in England

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Speaker 2: Suddenly I was mixing with different kids at eleven, and

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Speaker 2: and even that first year wasn't so bad. I could

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Speaker 2: So I'd just lie. But it was really my second

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Speaker 2: in fact, I left school at fifteen with the same uniform.

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Speaker 2: I only ever had that one. Yes, and so I

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Speaker 2: realized I was different. But also things that I couldn't

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Speaker 2: I just didn't have the right outfit. Yes, you haven't

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Speaker 2: I never took part in anything.

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Speaker 2: Then? My father raised me and my brother, and he

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Speaker 2: make a jam sandwich for tegaue, go out and play

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a real file like with Carl and Wood,

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Speaker 1: Probably you know you're pretty resourceful, very young.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's we were pretty much on our own

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Speaker 2: quite a lot. But yes, I suppose it makes you

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Speaker 2: very resilient.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever any pocket money or anything like that?

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Speaker 2: I used to earn. There was a pub, actually there

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Speaker 2: And I think I got fifty pence and i'd use

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Speaker 2: And that was when I also noticed that I didn't

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Speaker 2: the ballet class in my socks and i'd see the

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Speaker 2: then I did the tap glands dancing class just in

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Speaker 1: And at that age, did you think I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Oh, I knew it straight away. I made up my mind,

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Speaker 2: it didn't help. From about the age of eight, I

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Speaker 2: the bottoms of milk bottles and National Health glasses and

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Speaker 2: you're only allowed to have one pair every year or something. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'd break them straight away, so they were always held together.

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Speaker 2: I'm not having this. I'm not having this life. I

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Speaker 2: need to earn some money, but I wasn't. School wasn't

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Speaker 2: for me anyway because of my problems with maths and discalcolia.

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Speaker 2: So I got expelled at fifteen. But that all stemmed

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Speaker 2: dyslexia is with letters, so discalculia's with numbers. But they

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Speaker 1: The day nowadays everyone.

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Speaker 2: They just kept putting me in detention. I got the

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Speaker 2: And I was always told, you know, you're just not

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Speaker 2: Didn't make no difference made I could make head a

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Speaker 2: just like no, stick it up your JACKSI sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, just you know, and walked out the class

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Speaker 2: and I got expelled.

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Speaker 1: And that was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was that.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that they just don't see that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure I'm going to pronounce it right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have a disorder I've got.

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Speaker 2: But discal coolia. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Was it something that you've obviously discovered later in life

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Speaker 2: Discovered that I had it about ten years ago. And

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Speaker 2: funny enough, I was working with the company that sell

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Speaker 2: maths course for people. I was selling them and I

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Speaker 2: very clever people that'd invented this course to help kids

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Speaker 2: with maths. And I said, don't want if it be

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Speaker 2: at it. So they showed me this. Yeah, no, I

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Speaker 2: they said, you don't have a problem with mouth. You

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Speaker 2: have this calculia if you can't remember that, if you

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Speaker 2: can't work that out. And we talked about time. Time

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Speaker 2: is difficult for me to work out when I've got

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Speaker 2: I'd have come to sell the Washo Matic Hindawiper. He'd say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But it must have been a pretty good training ground, for.

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Speaker 2: It was, and it makes you resilient. Because for all

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Speaker 2: I don't want to miss it. You know, I need

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Speaker 2: to sell some more of these. I won't pay God

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Speaker 2: I was just here, there and everywhere by myself.

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Speaker 2: Here, yes, but I didn't worry may I just went

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Speaker 2: need any help? Do you want me to work for you?

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Speaker 2: I could sell that for you. No, okay, next time,

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Speaker 2: do you need me to sell this? I can sell that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. And see, I think you told Kim

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Speaker 2: Yes? That was the second time I came here because

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Speaker 2: I arrived like on a six six o'clock Friday morning,

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Speaker 2: and to sell vacuum cleaners, Kirby vacuum cleaners. I did

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're a risk taker?

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Speaker 2: Or I didn't think I was. I'm looking back I didn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You had a dream.

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Speaker 2: Always I found that people in England they were always

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Speaker 2: What if you don't earn any money? But what if

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Speaker 2: It made me laugh because the newspapers sexual glows. They

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Speaker 2: But yes, I just happened to be this time at

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Speaker 2: I could just concentrate on finding products, writing adverts for them,

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Speaker 2: that's that's what we can do. Teach the girls how

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Speaker 1: and stuff in the UK. Did you find it easier

434
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: in New Zealand that that occident wasn't sort of yes, gadget.

435
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: That's why I loved it straight away. I loved it

436
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: because soon as I started talking, people obviously thought I

437
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: had a strange accent, you know. But me, I thought,

438
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 2: they don't know what it means. They don't know that

439
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 2: it means uncommon, working class with no education. They don't know.

440
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: As soon as I am my mouth in England they

441
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: would know exactly the sort of background I'd had and upbringing.

442
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: So as soon as I was here, I thought, I

443
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: can be anyone I want here. I can just reinvent myself.

444
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: People can say what do you and I say, oh,

445
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm a television presenter.

446
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: So I became You recall, I mean, you know, coming

447
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: from a background with not much money, not much money

448
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 1: when you arrived. You recall a moment when you sort

449
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: of suddenly felt like you had a little bit of

450
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: money and you were able to go, gosh, I think

451
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm actually financially.

452
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: So can It was never when I had the big money.

453
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: It was more when I started earning, you know, quite

454
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: a bit of money regularly, and that I didn't have

455
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: to worry about the bills. I'd always looked after myself

456
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: since you know, I was a child, and all of

457
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: a sudden I never had to worry about paying the rent,

458
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: or the electricity or the food. I used to get

459
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: a bit carried away in the supermarket because it was

460
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: something I was never able to do before, and there

461
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,479
Speaker 2: was only mail of the moment I said, load up

462
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: the trolley with all sorts. I couldn't possibly eat it all.

463
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: One of the questions we asked is about Christopher Luxan,

464
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: the Prome minister. He got asked about a supermarket shop

465
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: on the trail and he said, oh, sixty dollars he

466
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: spins or something. So are you still a big shopper.

467
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 2: Or yes, so I just got used to I just

468
00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it, just being now to buy anything. And yeah,

469
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: that's when I felt that I was rich. I thought

470
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: I've made it. I don't have to worry about any bills.

471
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was probably for that sort

472
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: of broadcast television. The nineties and the two thousands were

473
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: sort of a high point. Was it a lucrative supposed

474
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: to be in?

475
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: It was? It was a good time to be because

476
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 2: I had a lot of things going on. You know,

477
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: I was on the TV selling things. I had demonstrators

478
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: all over the country, so that was good income. But

479
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: also at the time TV three TV and said we

480
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: were making a lot of shows one after the other.

481
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: You would just go in and they say, have you

482
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: got any ideas, and I'd say, yeah, you know, we

483
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 2: could do this, and then they say, oh, yeah, let's

484
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: do that. Then it was bang, bang.

485
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: You have any favorites that stand out because there was

486
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: a lot and a short period.

487
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: Dinner people have always talked to me about guess who's

488
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: coming to dinner and why can't we have it on

489
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: TV now? And it was one of the first reality shows. Yes,

490
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: that's right, you know. But then I had lots of shows,

491
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: as I say, one after the other. I was always

492
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: on TV. There was always work if you wanted it. Always.

493
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: I was never out of work.

494
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: And as the way of selling things changed, do you

495
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: think through the media, I mean, it was a high

496
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: point in the nineties, I guess for those infomercials, and

497
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: I just wonder, is it still the way it's done

498
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: or has it evolved.

499
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the same, pretty much the same. They

500
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: say people aren't watching TV anymore, but you'll still find

501
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: the infomercials on. They're still on in the middle of

502
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: the night, they're still on in the morning. Unfortunately, what

503
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: we've lost here is the good Morning show. TV and

504
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: said had a show I went on for over twenty years.

505
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: I was on every day for over twenty years selling something,

506
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: and that was a TV and zaid show. And then

507
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: TV three had a show called the Cafe and you

508
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: could go on that every day and sell things. So

509
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: those have gone now.

510
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people actually enjoyed the process, and yes, joyd

511
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: watching it.

512
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: It was good fun and you had to entertain people

513
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: with selling, you know, otherwise, yes, people would go off

514
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: and go to the liew or go and make a

515
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: cup of tea. So the adverts always had to be

516
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: entertaining and amusing, you know, as well as you know,

517
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: selling something.

518
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you've had ups and downs. It's a

519
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: money show. So I was going to ask about you

520
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: did declear bankruptcy once with the tourist experience.

521
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: I didn't declare myself. Bank was just just the It

522
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: was some creditors.

523
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: Was it something you know? I guess it's a learning experience,

524
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: isn't it that you know.

525
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: It is, But it's also a discalculia thing which you

526
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: never learned. So because I didn't know what I was

527
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: doing with the money side of things, so I had

528
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 2: to trust other people with that side of things. I

529
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: never got involved in that. I knew it was a

530
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: good idea, but I should never have been involved in.

531
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: A Yeah, I mean the idea was was really good

532
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: and it was the peak of that tourist.

533
00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: In New Zealand and so it was a great idea.

534
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: But then I knew I could make the money back,

535
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: but unfortunately the you know, the creditors. I went to

536
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: the creditors, you know, it was one big company and said,

537
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: if you could just hold on I've just signed a

538
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: deal with this company and I'm going to be selling

539
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 2: all this stuff on TV and training the girls. So

540
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: if you could just give me a couple of months,

541
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: I could give you that money. No, yeah, no, that

542
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: was it. So that was the end of that.

543
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: I guess. You know, it is a learning experience. But

544
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, is there any advice you'd have for other

545
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: people after going through that experience? For business people?

546
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: Well, after I went through that experience, I wrote a

547
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: book because I decided straight away, well I'll pick myself

548
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: up and start again. That was all I could do.

549
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: I'll just start again with nothing. And I had so

550
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: many people emailing me, how are you going to do this?

551
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? How are you thinking

552
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: like that? Because we've lost everything? My husband's bankrupt or

553
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: this closed down or that, you know what I mean?

554
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: And so I started writing the book. And I wrote

555
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: a book which I launched in two thousand and nine,

556
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: which was a best selling number one best self for

557
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: Penguin called but Weight, There's More Right, And in there

558
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: I was advising people how they should think and what

559
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: they should do and how they should behave if they

560
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: want to get back on their feet. And I think

561
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people are just scared of failure. And

562
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: I've never been scared of failure. I've failed more times,

563
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, than I've succeeded. But I've always thought, you know,

564
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: success and failure aren't destinations. I always say to people,

565
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: they're just part of the journey. You can fail and

566
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: pick yourself up and have another go and then succeed.

567
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: So to me, it's never bothered me how many times

568
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: I've had to fail and picked myself back UPO.

569
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: To business people in America, for example, it's far more

570
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: normal for business people to go bankrupt and.

571
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: Keep you know, you don't have.

572
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: New Zealand's a bit more like the UK. We're a

573
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: bit more conservative and cautious.

574
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Yes, But a lot of people, well they do fail

575
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: and think, oh, well that's that I tried to make

576
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: something myself and I failed. But I'm like, well, you know,

577
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: you're not a failure. The business failed or something you

578
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: did failed. Is there something else you can do or

579
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: what did you learn from it? Maybe you did learn

580
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: from it, or maybe you learned that wasn't for you

581
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: after all, and do something else?

582
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah you still, I mean, how's business now is? Then?

583
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: Lizzie still going Strong for example.

584
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't own Thin Lizzie, but Thin Lizzie

585
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: was launched and they took me on board to help

586
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: with the selling of it, with the promotions, because I'd

587
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: already done it all before. My makeup was called Natural

588
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Glow that I launched in the nineties and so it's

589
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: still around. No, so that's all gone, but Thin Lizzie

590
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: is still around. So I helped them with the marketing,

591
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: and again I got a team of girls here in Australia.

592
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: So I spent a lot of time, you know, twenty

593
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, from about twenty ten right through about

594
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: twelve years going backwards and forwards to Australia, either selling

595
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: on TV over there or with my team of girls

596
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: in exhibitions. So even still here, I could if I

597
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: wanted to demonstrate and sell it exhibitions and in shopping malls.

598
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: But I don't want to know.

599
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: That's right, you don't need to be doing I mean,

600
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: you can pick and choose a bit more what you

601
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: want to be doing.

602
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: So I took that right up until COVID, when not

603
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: only was I allowed to travel, they stopped all the

604
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: exhibitions and stopped all demonstrators in stores, so that was

605
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: the end of that.

606
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: But you didn't need age stop you jumping on slipperty trees.

607
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: R Island No.

608
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Sort of relivered a Yeah, I'm always of the opinion

609
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: I've always say yes to everything and then worry about

610
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: how I'm going to do it later. Yeah, And I

611
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 2: always think, you know, these opportunities might not always come along,

612
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: and so people say John to go on that. I'm

613
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: usually like, oh, yeah, that's a great idea. I'll do that.

614
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: And I knew because I always I always make sure

615
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: I have fun whatever I'm doing. So I just thought

616
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: this is going to be great. I'll probably meet some

617
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: great people, It's going to be a lot of fun,

618
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: might raise some money for my charity SPCA. Plus it

619
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: gets me back on the telly, And then people might

620
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: see you and think, oh, yes, who's on Paul? I

621
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: remember she's good fun. Why don't we put her in

622
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: this or give her a job doing that?

623
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: So why not?

624
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

625
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: We have a few quick fire questions we throw out,

626
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: give some money talks. The first one, I guess is

627
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: and you touched on your childhood, but what's the poorest

628
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: you've ever been? Belt, I suppose.

629
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the poorest I felt. I was living

630
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: by myself once in Blackpool. I was probably about twenty three,

631
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: and my job would finish suddenly and I had no

632
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: money for the I didn't have fifty pence to put

633
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: into the electric meter.

634
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: And it was Christmas and I had no money, and

636
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go to a friend's Christmas Day

637
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: for lunch. But when I opened the door, the snow

638
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: was right over my knees. So I was just sitting

639
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: in the cold, in the dark, and I had a

640
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: tint of process peace. Oh wow, Christmas, it's tough dinner.

641
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: It was poor.

642
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's really poor, because some people think they're poor.

643
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: Flip side the other end of the equation, What would

644
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: be the most indulgent purchase you've ever made for yourself.

645
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: I bought a boat once for one point two million.

646
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: That was pretty good. And I was always buying Mercedes

647
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: and I went on the cruise on the q E two,

648
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: so I went around the world on the Orient Express.

649
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: So I was always I liked doing those sorts of

650
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: things experiences.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, living living life. Is there something? Is there a

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Speaker 1: dream purchase you'd still like? To make one day that

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Speaker 1: you haven't haven't done or no, I don't think so yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's a pretty good sign, really, isn't it that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You do?

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Speaker 1: You still buy lotto tickets?

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Speaker 2: I do, only just recently, only because my husband keeps

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Speaker 2: nagging me too. I want so I do.

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Speaker 1: I often ask, because I sometimes ask people, you know,

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Speaker 1: when they imagine winning lotto, how much do you imagine winning?

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Speaker 1: You know, do the big number or just enough to

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Speaker 1: sort of.

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Speaker 2: Know a lot? I've always thought big, you see. And

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Speaker 2: I think even if I had some money, even never

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Speaker 2: had a lot of money, now, I'd probably still buy

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Speaker 2: a lotto because you can never have too much money.

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Speaker 1: Can you fair enough? Sort of a question? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's come through and what you've said, But it is

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Speaker 1: making money? Is making money being important to you as

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Speaker 1: a driver of your success or is it more of

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Speaker 1: a byproduct product of success?

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Speaker 2: No, it's been a driving force for me, and I

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Speaker 2: know earlier on a lot of people used to say

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Speaker 2: to me, don't let money, you know, be your driving force, Like, well,

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Speaker 2: you want to say that if you grew up in

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Speaker 2: you know, walk Pumpton with nothing? It is my drive

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Speaker 2: force and it always has been, and it's it's worked

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Speaker 2: me in good stead, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a powerful motivator. And then there are

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Speaker 1: the other things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do it for the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting in New Zealand certainly, and

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Speaker 1: possibly England, a lot about heritage is British here. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's that cultural sort of shyness about talking about money

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Speaker 1: or even acknowledging that you have money.

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you sort of yes, I know, And

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Speaker 2: people always wanted me to say something else. I do

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Speaker 2: motivational speaking, and they'll always be like, yes, but what

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Speaker 2: motivates you? And I'm like, money, having money, paying the bills,

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Speaker 2: buying nice stuff that, yeah, but what really motivates you?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, for goodness sake, It's like it was

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Speaker 2: a swear word. People didn't want me to be motivated

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Speaker 2: by money. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, finishing up just on it's a sort of a

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Speaker 1: bigger question. But when you look at the world and

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Speaker 1: you look at the poverty that's still out there and

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Speaker 1: the idea of helping people get ahead and all that

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Speaker 1: sort of stuff, addressing the inequality, is there something that

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Speaker 1: stands out to you as a policy or a thing

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Speaker 1: we should do. If we could make you Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: for the day and you put something in place, what

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Speaker 1: do you think would help, would really help people who

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Speaker 1: are stuck in a poverty trap to get out.

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Speaker 2: I know it's going to be easy to say money,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. But I know when I was growing up,

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Speaker 2: goodness may we couldn have survived without school dinners, so

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Speaker 2: thank goodness for those. But it is the children. It

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Speaker 2: is for me, the children. I think now I see

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Speaker 2: the adverts on TV and that makes me cry. That

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Speaker 2: if I see that they're saying children have to go

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Speaker 2: to school, you know, and they haven't got the shoes,

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Speaker 2: and they haven't got hungry to eat, and they're going

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Speaker 2: hungry and they're cold at night. That to me, I

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Speaker 2: think that can't be right, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And I can't understand the people that do have money

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Speaker 2: and don't want to help out, because that's one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons I ended up without any money is because

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Speaker 2: I gave a lot of it away. It was just

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Speaker 2: what I thought was the right thing to do. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, there are people worse off than me. I'll

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Speaker 2: give it to them. Give.

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Speaker 1: But it's one of the joys of having some money

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Speaker 1: is that you can be involved in these things.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, it was wonderful. It's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the SPCA. It's still involved and securities like.

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Speaker 2: That, Yes, and any of those. Again, I like doing

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Speaker 2: things for the animals because I'm all about this adopt,

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Speaker 2: don't shop. I've adopted a lot of you know, rescue

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Speaker 2: animals over the years, and that's brought me a lot

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Speaker 2: of joy.

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Speaker 1: Sure, look, that's great. Is then finally, just just I

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Speaker 1: know we're going to see you on Celebrity Trees Island,

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Speaker 1: but where else can people see more of you at

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Speaker 1: the moment? And what's happening with your products and what's next.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've just discovered TikTok, Yes, and I think that's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: So I'm all over it with tick.

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Speaker 1: Funny because you were almost you were a viral sensation

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Speaker 1: with that's right.

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Speaker 2: All the young people that seen me on TikTok or

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Speaker 2: Instagram or Facebook, they say to me, you're the og. Yeah, yeah,

741
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: so Zamboy, You're the og. So apparently I'm the original

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Speaker 2: influencer and now here I am again and I'm selling

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Speaker 2: things for people but now it's on social media.

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Speaker 1: Well there we go. They can look you up on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Great and yes, and just a reminder that people can

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Speaker 1: watch Celebrity Treasure Island TVNZ two from Monday. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being here, Szabo, you thanks for listening to this episode

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Speaker 1: drop me a line Liam dot Dan at inzme dot

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