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Speaker 1: Right, So the Pope. First of all, can I just

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Speaker 1: say to all Catholics condolences obviously over the passing of

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Speaker 1: the Pope. It's a big moment for the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed this pope. He seemed a little bit more

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Speaker 1: fun than his predecessors, didn't He loved football, he loved

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Speaker 1: saying things that got him in trouble. He carried his

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Speaker 1: own luggage. It seems like a normal guy, right, a

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Speaker 1: normal guy who became the Pope. But if I'm honest

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Speaker 1: with myself, setting that all to one side, I think

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Speaker 1: he was ultimately quite disappointing as the Pope, wasn't he

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Speaker 1: Because he said a lot of stuff about wanting to

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Speaker 1: be more liberal and be more inclusive, but he actually

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Speaker 1: didn't do anything did He didn't change anything about the

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Speaker 1: way that the Catholic Church regards gay people. He didn't

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Speaker 1: change anything about the way that the Catholic Church treats

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Speaker 1: divorced people. He didn't change anything about the fact that

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Speaker 1: women are completely excluded from serving as clergy in the

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Speaker 1: Catholic Church. Now, obviously a generous explanation of this is

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Speaker 1: that he tried but couldn't because the Catholic Church is massive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are one point four billion Catholics worldwide,

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Speaker 1: spanning a huge number of countries, completely different views, and

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Speaker 1: changing some thing that big and that diverse and actually

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Speaker 1: really fundamentally that conservative takes a really long time. And

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Speaker 1: so he did what he could. He what he did

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Speaker 1: was enough. It was enough to kind of set people,

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Speaker 1: set the wheels in motion, if you like, get people

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Speaker 1: talking about being a bit more kind to gay people

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Speaker 1: and divorced people in particular, and that in time, he's

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Speaker 1: planted the seeds that will then come to fruition in

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Speaker 1: years and decades and maybe even centuries from here. And

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Speaker 1: maybe that's right, Maybe that's exactly what he's done. But

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Speaker 1: then you know, he was chosen as pope by three

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Speaker 1: quarters of cardinals, which means that three quarters of those

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Speaker 1: dudes knew knew that they were choosing a liberal guy,

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Speaker 1: and they were ready for a liberal guy. So I

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Speaker 1: look at that, I think that he had a little

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Speaker 1: bit more latitude than he actually used, even for just

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Speaker 1: one change in just one of those areas, maybe he

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Speaker 1: could have done it. Also, while I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was humble, he lived in a hostel and

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Speaker 1: not a palace, he drove around in a cruddy car

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Speaker 1: and not a flash limousine. He carried his own luggage,

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Speaker 1: washed people's feet in public. I have to be honest

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Speaker 1: with myself as well about that. That was performing, and

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Speaker 1: he surely understood what he was doing. He did those

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Speaker 1: things to be seen. But did he actually do anything

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Speaker 1: to change the fact that the Catholic Church hoardes all

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Speaker 1: of its wealth and lives in opulence of upper levels.

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Speaker 1: Did he actually do anything beyond this performance? Now, some

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Speaker 1: commentators reckon that the real test of his legacy is

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Speaker 1: going to be whether the next pope, the next one

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Speaker 1: that's chosen, is as liberal as he is and can

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Speaker 1: actually church push the church just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: in that liberal direction. And if that does happen, then

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Speaker 1: maybe Francis can be credited with having started some real

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Speaker 1: change within the Catholic Church. And so as in most cases,

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Speaker 1: time will really be the judge of his legacy. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what right here, if you had told

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Speaker 1: me in twenty thirteen when he was appointed pope that

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Speaker 1: he would die with nothing changed in the church, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have believed it. So I'm disappointed. For more from

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