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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at BND. Your weekend off the right way.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Good Morning News. Welcome to Newsborg's ed B Jack Tame

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Speaker 2: with you Sturt the Midday today. So the year was

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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight. I remember it because it was

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Speaker 2: a bit of a one off. The Police decided to

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Speaker 2: do a reunion tour after however, many years apart, however

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Speaker 2: many acrimonious years, the three members of the Police, Andy

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Speaker 2: and Stuart got back together. They did a world tour.

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Speaker 2: They played Wellington and Auckland and the Tame family decided

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 3: It was a big thing.

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Speaker 2: It was a big thing for our family, the first

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Speaker 2: time really that we'd gone to a big stadium show together.

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Speaker 2: We lived in christ Church at the time, so the

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Speaker 2: whole family packed up, we upsticks for the weekend, made

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Speaker 2: our way to the Capitol, went and saw the Police

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Speaker 2: form and it was performed and it was fantastic. Fair

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Speaker 2: to say too that it was probably a one off

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Speaker 2: because given the relationships between Stuart, Copeland and Sting haven't

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Speaker 2: really improved since two thousand and eight. I think it's

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Speaker 2: extremely unlikely that the Police are going to be performing

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Speaker 2: as a band ever again. However, there is a bit

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Speaker 2: of light in their dark tale, or their dark tale

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Speaker 2: of their relationships. Stuart Copeland, drama for the Police, is

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Speaker 2: making his way back to New Zealand. He's actually had

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Speaker 2: this really amazing diverse career so as well as playing

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Speaker 2: has been composing music for operas and orchestras. He's making

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Speaker 2: his way to New Zeeland with a spoken word to her,

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Speaker 2: He's going to be our special guest after ten o'clock

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Speaker 2: this morning, so really looking forward to that. Before ten.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for a delicious little recipe to set

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Speaker 2: you up for the rugby this evening, boy, do we

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Speaker 2: have it for you. Our cook is in with her

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Speaker 2: easy fish taco recipe to get you in a kind

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Speaker 2: of springtime mood. So we'll share that with you very

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Speaker 2: shortly right now though it's nine minutes past nine.

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Speaker 4: Team.

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Speaker 2: Look, I make no bones about it. I am a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an apple yuppie. I think that's what

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Speaker 2: you call me. Yeah, I'm a bit of an apple yuppy, right.

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Speaker 2: I was hooked to Apple products at a bit of

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Speaker 2: a critical time. Traveling across the US as a one

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Speaker 2: man TV news making band, I often found myself in

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Speaker 2: seat thirty two B of a cut price red Eye flight,

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Speaker 2: totally dependent on a laptop with sufficient grunt to edit

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Speaker 2: HD video for our at a time, and sufficient durability

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Speaker 2: so that when it got knocked about in the overhead locker,

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Speaker 2: the casing around my laptop would remain in one piece.

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Speaker 2: So Apple it was. And the way these companies work

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Speaker 2: is that the moment you rely on them for one thing,

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Speaker 2: they're very good at getting their claws out and squeezing

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Speaker 2: you ever closer. So I went from being an Apple

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Speaker 2: MacBook user to being an iPhone user, to being an

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Speaker 2: iCloud subscriber too. I'm more or less trapped within the system. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'm locked into paying Apple every month until I leave

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Speaker 2: this mortal world. But finally I think I'm drawing the line.

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Speaker 2: So Apple, alongside its new phones, has just released its

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Speaker 2: latest Apple Watch, and it's finally caught up to much

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Speaker 2: of these smart device competition by giving users a daily

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Speaker 2: sleep score. So the idea is that you wear your

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Speaker 2: watch to bed, and with its little senses and whatever technology,

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Speaker 2: it measures your heart rate and your blood oxygen saturation,

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Speaker 2: it gives you a score. Of course, you can be

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Speaker 2: smart scored on all manner of things in life these days.

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Speaker 2: So you can get a smart toothbrush, for example, that'll

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Speaker 2: you personalized feedback on your brushing technique. Breezed over a

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Speaker 2: on your light exposure. You can be scored on your posture. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: if you're really curious, there is even a market in

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Speaker 2: devices that will score individual sexual well being. Just maybe

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Speaker 2: don't google limit work. But to me at least, there

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Speaker 2: in the morning that tells me what I already know.

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Speaker 2: The thing is, I don't need a smart watch or

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Speaker 2: that I've had a bad night's sleep. I know because

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Speaker 2: I feel bad. So I should have gone to bed earlier,

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Speaker 2: have turned off those other screens and devices before getting

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Speaker 2: between the sheets. Thank you. But instead of looking up

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Speaker 2: a score, I'll just turn to a mirror instead. Jack

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Speaker 2: Team ninety two ninety two is our text number this morning,

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Speaker 2: Jack at Newstalks hedb dot co dot and said is

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Speaker 2: my email address if you want to get in touch.

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Speaker 2: A little later in the show, we are expecting Whinston

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Speaker 2: Peter's the Foreign Minister to make his address at the

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Speaker 2: United Nations. The thing is at the moment, it's scheduled

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Speaker 2: for about eleven o'clock. But the thing is, with the

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Speaker 2: UN you can never be totally sure because sometimes people

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Speaker 2: speak for longer than they're supposed to. Sometimes they're a

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Speaker 2: technical problem. Sometimes people speak for shorter than they're expected to.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump spoke for about forty minutes, longer than

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Speaker 2: he had been expected to the other day. So we're

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Speaker 2: expecting the Foreign Minister to make his remarks and confirm

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's position on Palestine at about eleven o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to keep you up to speed throughout

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Speaker 2: the morning. We'll keep a close eye on the schedule

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Speaker 2: and see how that's going. In New York, Kevin Milton

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Speaker 2: is going to kick off the show for us in

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes. Right now. It's fourteen minutes past night,

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Speaker 2: and I'm Jack David's Saturday Morning and this is News Talk.

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Speaker 1: Z'd be no better way to kick off your weekend

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Speaker 1: than with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk

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Speaker 1: SEDB Dolly.

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Speaker 2: Jack says Pete this morning, I wonder how we got

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Speaker 2: by in the olden days without a sleep score.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this does work for some people. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it encourages them to have better sleep hygiene, like so

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Speaker 2: thing certainly wouldn't work for me. Jack says Gilly. I

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Speaker 2: was at that police show in Wellington. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember Fergie was the warm up act. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was one of those things. I mean, it was great,

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Speaker 2: remember thinking like, oh, it seems a bit unusual that

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Speaker 2: you'd have Fergie performing with the police. But yes, I

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Speaker 2: do remember that. So Stuart Copeland with us after ten

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Speaker 2: o'clock this morning, really looking forward to that. If you

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Speaker 2: want to send me a text, ninety two ninety two

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Speaker 2: is the text number, Jack and Newstalks, he'd be dot

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Speaker 2: cod on. You don't forget that standard texts costs apply

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Speaker 2: if you are sending me a text this morning. Kevin

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Speaker 2: Milne is here with us this Saturday. Hey Kevin, how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 6: I'd be interested in the daily sleep score, at least

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Speaker 6: for a few weeks, because I think that there's a

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Speaker 6: it's hell hard to tell that unless you've got a

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Speaker 6: and she she promises us to tell me what it is,

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Speaker 6: but she sets it for herself all the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you do that? Do you do the

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Speaker 6: No, I don't. No, I don't do any of those things.

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Speaker 6: I'm just fascinated by sleep really because sometimes I think

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Speaker 6: I've gone almost right through the night in his sleep, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but then something will crop up. Linda will say you

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Speaker 6: So that's what I've been sited in the sleep score

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Speaker 2: There are also some parts of those monitors and apps

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Speaker 2: and things I think you can get a snore score, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: So that could be an option for you as well.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's a way to start with the window instead

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Speaker 2: of saying just a sleep get a snare score as well.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, you want to raise a tricky issue about

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we know you don't we to call an ambulance

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Speaker 6: straight away with stroke, a heart attack or men andingitas

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Speaker 6: A little drama on Wednesday night. I got on to bed,

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Speaker 6: it could be arthritis, herniated disc, stiff neck, even meningitis.

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Speaker 6: Her thoughts, if you can't stand up and you're in

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Speaker 6: real pain, we'd better call an ambulance. No, no, I said, no, no,

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Speaker 6: a huge disruption to our lives for all the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 6: I convinced Linda not to call an ambulance straight away.

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Speaker 6: After a painful, sleepless night. In the morning, I managed

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Speaker 6: I told the nurse a symptoms. She told me I

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Speaker 6: likely had a stiff neck, but take some panadole, do

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Speaker 6: some stretches and it'll come right, which it did, and

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Speaker 6: once again I was left to consider that advice. If

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Speaker 6: you're worried there's something serious, don't buck around. Call an

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Speaker 8: Embarrassing.

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Speaker 6: It's a really tricky thing that jackay, knowing when or

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Speaker 6: not to call an ambulance.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think if there's any sentilla of a

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Speaker 2: Jack Garman's sleep Score Garment is a company that kind

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Speaker 2: Language has been a bit confusing this morning on news Talks,

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Speaker 2: sav and let's start off with the All Backs. We'll

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Speaker 2: the Wallabies have had to take that Bled as low

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Speaker 10: However, the Wallabies have lost some key players, four or

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Speaker 10: Look, it's quite humid today in Auckland and it's got

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Speaker 10: And if you're going to Eden Park to get there

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Speaker 10: How many people who arrived late to things tomorrow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: That Wellington test.

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Speaker 10: That very wrong, But I just get the feeling tonight

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Speaker 2: Even before Perth next week. Yeah yeah, I hope So right,

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Speaker 2: Blank Ferns versus France this evening obviously not the game

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Speaker 10: it's I'm sure it's hard to lift for but of

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Speaker 2: You know it'd be nice to I missed your opening.

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Speaker 10: So do you have Stewart Copeland on this morning?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, just an amazing He's had this kind of amazing

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Speaker 10: Weren't they great?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, so very much looking forward to chatting to

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Speaker 2: don't forget of course that News Talks B is gonna

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Speaker 2: have live coverage of the All Blacks versus the Wallabies

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Speaker 2: Eden Park. This evening, Elliott Smith, Jason Pine and the

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Speaker 2: to defend that bledders Low and defend that Eden Park record.

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Speaker 2: Before ten o'clock we're in the kitchen. Our cook has

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Speaker 2: our film reviewer has been to see the Jacinder r

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Speaker 2: Durn documentary Prime Minister, so she'll give us her thoughts

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Speaker 12: I don't need to.

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Speaker 2: a couple of days a couple of days old. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's got a bit of a saucy music video as well,

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Speaker 2: directed by Takaway t to her husband. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna describe it. You can go and look it

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Speaker 2: up online. Of that you think anyway, it's Jesse Little

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Speaker 2: number eight right. Oh it is twenty three minutes to

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Speaker 2: ten on News Talks. He'd be Francesca Rudkin, our film

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Speaker 2: reviewers here with the picts for this weekend. More Ener,

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Speaker 2: Good morning. Okay, we've got two films, both of them

442
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Speaker 2: showing and cinemas this morning very different indeed to one another.

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Speaker 2: But let's start off by having a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a Listen to the first one. This is Prime Minister.

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Speaker 4: I have three years to do as much as we can.

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Speaker 13: But in the back of my mind I thought, how

447
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Speaker 13: am I going to do this with a baby business.

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Speaker 14: I just feel sorry for myself listening to that, because

449
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Speaker 14: I just have no idea what's coming.

450
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Speaker 13: There were two groups on the island, those who were

451
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Speaker 13: evacuated and those close to the eruption.

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Speaker 3: We only have six cases at the moment.

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Speaker 13: This can only be described as a terrorist attack. Crises

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Speaker 13: make governments and they break governments.

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Speaker 2: That is, of course, the voice of Justindera during this

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Speaker 2: is the disinderadun documentary tell us about Prime Minister Francesca.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I think the most important thing you need to

458
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Speaker 13: know about this film is that if you're looking for

459
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Speaker 13: an objective examination of her government's policies, the achievements and failures,

460
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Speaker 13: you're not going to get that here. That wasn't really

461
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Speaker 13: the intention of the filmmakers or for this film. This

462
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Speaker 13: is more a This film offers actually something quite unique

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Speaker 13: that we don't see very often. It's very sort of

464
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Speaker 13: intimate and personal look behind the scenes at the toll.

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Speaker 13: The job takes on a person and that's not what

466
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Speaker 13: you mus get to do this job ran, so you know,

467
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Speaker 13: we don't have the experience of what it would be like,

468
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Speaker 13: and you kind of what we show in here is

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Speaker 13: the unrelenting, cumulative impacts of dealing with some of the

470
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Speaker 13: biggest tragedies New Zealand's faced in recent times. The film

471
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Speaker 13: sort of starts off in twenty twenty four in the US,

472
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Speaker 13: where the Prime Minister is working at Harvard. She's also

473
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Speaker 13: starting to work on the memoir, and as part of that,

474
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Speaker 13: she's listened to a lot of her political diaries or

475
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Speaker 13: history projects, and the filmmakers kind of come in and sort.

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Speaker 5: Of speak to her.

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Speaker 13: Lindsay Ootz and Michelle Waltz kind of talk to her about,

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Speaker 13: you know, what it's like for her to go back

479
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Speaker 13: and listen and reminisce about this and things. I think

480
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Speaker 13: they could have pushed a little bit further, because actually

481
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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister is pretty candid and it's pretty open,

482
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Speaker 13: and I think that they could have maybe pushed a

483
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Speaker 13: little bit further with her to sort of see what

484
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Speaker 13: else that she would reveal and the structure of the

485
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Speaker 13: documentary is quite straightforward. We kind of go back and

486
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Speaker 13: we start with, you know, the sort of creating a

487
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Speaker 13: coalition with Winston Peter's and then we work our way through,

488
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Speaker 13: you know, her pregnancy in office, the terror attack, you know,

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Speaker 13: the twenty twenty general election for Charlie White Island and

490
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Speaker 13: of course COVID nineteen. So it kind of takets all

491
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Speaker 13: those boxes of the things that the Prime Minister went through,

492
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Speaker 13: but you know, they were pretty unprecedented things. So but

493
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Speaker 13: it's quite interesting to go behind the scenes and watch it.

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Speaker 13: I think what makes the documentary is Kurt Gayford very

495
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Speaker 13: I think, very sensibly kind of when when she became

496
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Speaker 13: Prime Minister, he was kind of looking around going this

497
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Speaker 13: is kind of quite crazy. And he's a filmmaker, right, storyteller,

498
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Speaker 13: and he was walking around going, no one's filming this,

499
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Speaker 13: So he started filming and in little moments behind the

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Speaker 13: scenes and he just kind of kept going. And I

501
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Speaker 13: think that that's the kind of footage and they're the

502
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Speaker 13: insights that really make this documentary Country and Look, to

503
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Speaker 13: be honest with you, I quite like keving a poke

504
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Speaker 13: around Premier House. I like seeing you know, the bee Hive.

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Speaker 13: What you know, a lot of us were not subjected.

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Speaker 15: To that, So yeah, I know that, you know, the

507
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Speaker 15: potential subjects can be triggering, but if you take a

508
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Speaker 15: sort of a step back, it is quite an interesting

509
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Speaker 15: look at the role of leadership and you know, and

510
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Speaker 15: of what it really entails being a prime minister.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, very interesting. So that is Prime Minister that

512
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Speaker 2: is showing in cinemas right now. Also showing in cinemas,

513
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Speaker 2: tell us about the French film Holy cow.

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Speaker 5: Oh look, this is just so delightful.

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Speaker 15: This is a film from a French.

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Speaker 13: Director, Louise Corvisier, and it was her first, her first

517
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Speaker 13: feature film, and it was sort of a bit no

518
00:26:31,973 --> 00:26:34,333
Speaker 13: one sort of really saw it coming, and it turned

519
00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,693
Speaker 13: out to be a huge surprise. Hat and Frig that

520
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Speaker 13: won the Youth Prize It Can, and it won a

521
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Speaker 13: couple of season awards and things. It's a social realist

522
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Speaker 13: drama slash comedy, but it's not grim and gritty. It's

523
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Speaker 13: actually it's filled with lots of heart and hope and

524
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Speaker 13: sunshine and things. And where we're in the Jura region,

525
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Speaker 13: so we're in quite a remote rural area. The main

526
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Speaker 13: characters is eighteen year old teenage boy who's very much

527
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Speaker 13: an eighteen year old teenage boy spartas a cheesemaker.

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Speaker 15: He's got a young seven year old sister. His father

529
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Speaker 15: dies and he is.

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Speaker 13: Really left to look after this young sister and try

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Speaker 13: and work out how to manage his grief and you know,

532
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Speaker 13: how to how to make a living. Essentially, he's really

533
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Speaker 13: not a coup to deal with what's happened to him.

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Speaker 15: It's a real struggle.

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Speaker 13: But along with some of this friends, he comes up

536
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Speaker 13: with this pretty unrealistic idea to become an award winning

537
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Speaker 13: cheesemaker and off we kind of go. What is fabulous

538
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Speaker 13: about this film, Jack, is that everybody in it, none

539
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Speaker 13: of them are actors. They're non professional actors. Clement Favo,

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Speaker 13: who plays touton our main character, he's actually a chicken

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Speaker 13: farmer in real life, and you really get that sense,

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Speaker 13: and I think that's what makes it. There is this

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Speaker 13: sort of authenticity to this story. You kind of yeah, No,

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Speaker 13: it's just it's just really delightful. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: That sounds really good, Okay, cool, Yeah, something completely different

546
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Speaker 2: as well, So that's holy Cout that is showing in

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Speaker 2: Cinema's That's a French film Prime Minister as Francisca's first

548
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Speaker 2: pick for us this week. Thank you so much, Francisca.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Jack.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Prime Minister documentary was great of an

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Speaker 2: eye opener at one point it made me a shame

553
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Speaker 2: to be a Kiwi, says Filma. Oh, for goodness sake, Jack,

554
00:28:11,933 --> 00:28:14,973
Speaker 2: can we stop with our infatuation with just Sinda please,

555
00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:17,613
Speaker 2: says the next text. So there you go. Good to

556
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Speaker 2: see this not dividing people any less than in the past.

557
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Speaker 2: Is that we're just telling you about the film. Don't

558
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Speaker 2: worry ninety two if you want to send us a message, Jack,

559
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Speaker 2: I saw the police in nineteen eighty four at Western Springs,

560
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Speaker 2: the police, the band Coconut Ruff, Brian Adams and Australian

561
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Speaker 2: Crawl in support epic. My god, that's a hell of

562
00:28:36,773 --> 00:28:40,213
Speaker 2: a lineup. That would have been amazing. Yeah, what a

563
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Speaker 2: time to be there as well in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: so there would have been the absolute kind of heyday

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Speaker 2: of the police as well. After eleven o'clock. If you

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Speaker 2: can't be bothered making it to the cinema this weekend,

567
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Speaker 2: I don't know maybe that the weather at your place

568
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:55,133
Speaker 2: is absolutely dreadful. Maybe you've done your neck or your

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Speaker 2: back like Kevin Melon. Good news, We've got our screen

570
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Speaker 2: time picks for this week, including this new series called

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Speaker 2: House of Guinness. So it's a series that is based

572
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Speaker 2: on a true story Guinness being yes, the Guinness, and

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Speaker 2: it's a drama set in the eighteen hundreds that follows

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Speaker 2: the Guinness family in Dublin after the family patriarch dies

575
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Speaker 2: and as four kids kind of have the breweries fate

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Speaker 2: in their hands. And I know when I describe it

577
00:29:19,973 --> 00:29:21,573
Speaker 2: like that, it sounds like a little bit like a

578
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Speaker 2: like a like a beer brewing version of Succession. But

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Speaker 2: our screen time expert Tara is going to be here

580
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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock with all the details on where you

581
00:29:31,453 --> 00:29:33,133
Speaker 2: can see House of Guinness, and she'll tell us a

582
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Speaker 2: bit more about the series as well. Right now, it's

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Speaker 2: sixteen to ten.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

585
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Speaker 1: the weekend.

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Speaker 2: US Talk said be fourteen minutes to ten on News Talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be Nicki Works, our cook is here with us

588
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Speaker 2: this morning with a delicious, snappy little springtime recipe. Nicki,

589
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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 5: It isn't bit snappy, isn't it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you are what next weekend going to be

593
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Speaker 2: in Port Charmers for the Seafood Festival. I've never been

594
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Speaker 2: to the Port Charmer Seafood Festival.

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Speaker 16: I know, please put it on your bucket list or

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Speaker 16: I hate that expression actually, but please put it on

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Speaker 16: your wish list.

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Speaker 5: Yes, because it's really special.

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Speaker 16: Because of the produce they You know, you're right there

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Speaker 16: and sort of power Land, clam Land, white baked Land,

601
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Speaker 16: blue cord Land, crazy everywhere, and it's just one of

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Speaker 16: those food festivals where you know there's lots of different

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Speaker 16: food that you're there for the seafood and it's extremely God.

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Speaker 2: Would be So would that be I'm putting you on

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Speaker 2: the spot here. Would that be our best kind of

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Speaker 2: seafood region like Iago in the lower part of the

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Speaker 2: South Island.

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Speaker 5: Do you think I think you'd have to say?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 16: I really do, because when I mean, I was at

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Speaker 16: this festival two years ago and.

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Speaker 5: I was blown away.

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Speaker 16: I was like, oh, people are lining up for half

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Speaker 16: craze well like butter on it at this festival.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that doesn't happen everywhere.

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Speaker 16: Oh look you can get a beautiful, big pile of

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Speaker 16: power of fritters.

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Speaker 5: Oh and I was really blown. Why it was fantastic.

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Speaker 4: It's really good.

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Speaker 5: And the great thing about it is it's right on

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Speaker 5: the wharf. It's right at the port yea and port.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I don't know the last time that you

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Speaker 16: were invited in Ports of Auckland, but I never get

624
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Speaker 16: invited there. They don't open that up to the public,

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Speaker 16: whereas on this one day Port Charmers opens up.

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Speaker 2: Ahpcial.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wandering around there's usually a bit of a

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Speaker 2: sort of health and safety thing, eh. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: as kids, we used to take My family used to

631
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Speaker 2: just for kicks. We are often our weekend activity, cheap

632
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Speaker 2: weekend activity would be the bundle the four kids into

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Speaker 2: the family van and we'd drive over to Littleton Harbor

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Speaker 2: and just walk around the walk around the port in Littleton.

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Speaker 2: And when I was a kid, you could just and

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Speaker 2: some of those old rules, you know, like one hundred

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Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifty years old, and you just

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00:31:44,173 --> 00:31:47,973
Speaker 2: you're allowed to walk around them all, go stumble over

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Speaker 2: the gaps and it was just totally fin.

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Speaker 16: Exactly stand on the edge around the ocean, pooling around

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Speaker 16: the big.

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Speaker 2: Good thing you're not allowed to do.

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Speaker 5: Probably a good thing.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but you are on this one day, so don't

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Speaker 16: you have a ticket? Nadie Live is going to be

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Speaker 16: there two and I've been really loving whose show, yes,

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Speaker 16: and so yeah, it's a good day.

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Speaker 5: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 16: But look, I thought, you know, when you when we

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Speaker 16: think about seafood, sometimes we think it's very expensive. I

651
00:32:13,173 --> 00:32:15,133
Speaker 16: think because you look at you know, it's forty dollars

652
00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:18,053
Speaker 16: a kilo, it's forty five dollars a kilo. Whatever, snap,

653
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Speaker 16: I can get up to fifty dollars and all of that.

654
00:32:19,933 --> 00:32:22,133
Speaker 16: But I've got some easy fish tacos for you that

655
00:32:22,293 --> 00:32:25,733
Speaker 16: use about one hundred, one hundred and fifty grams of gurner.

656
00:32:25,893 --> 00:32:27,613
Speaker 16: And I bought this amount the other day and it

657
00:32:27,653 --> 00:32:31,573
Speaker 16: was cost me six six dollars something at my local fishmonger,

658
00:32:31,653 --> 00:32:32,453
Speaker 16: so it was nothing.

659
00:32:32,493 --> 00:32:33,573
Speaker 5: And this is enough to make.

660
00:32:33,413 --> 00:32:37,013
Speaker 16: About six taco, which if you're me, I'm a two

661
00:32:37,053 --> 00:32:39,373
Speaker 16: or three taco girl, I think you could say.

662
00:32:39,973 --> 00:32:41,173
Speaker 5: So, you know, this feeds a few people.

663
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Speaker 16: So look, get your lovely gurnet or snapper or whatever

664
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Speaker 16: you like. Really, it doesn't matter, you know. Travali's a

665
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:49,173
Speaker 16: really lovely fish for this car wi would be great.

666
00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:53,053
Speaker 16: Sprinkle a bit of salt over it, dusted and a

667
00:32:53,053 --> 00:32:55,413
Speaker 16: little bit of flour that you've also put a teaspoon

668
00:32:55,453 --> 00:32:58,093
Speaker 16: of cuman seeds and there goes you kind of Mexican

669
00:32:58,133 --> 00:32:59,013
Speaker 16: flavor right there.

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00:32:59,253 --> 00:33:02,213
Speaker 5: That's where it starts, as those cuman seeds, and then

671
00:33:02,213 --> 00:33:02,573
Speaker 5: you're just.

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Speaker 16: Going to fry that off beautifully so and a little

673
00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:07,853
Speaker 16: bit of oil while the fish cocks.

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Speaker 5: You can want to warm some tortilla you can use.

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Speaker 16: I love to use the proper corn tortillas, but if

676
00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:15,053
Speaker 16: you're tortilla, but if you're more into the.

677
00:33:14,973 --> 00:33:16,293
Speaker 5: Flower ones, you go for it.

678
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Speaker 16: And I warm those up by putting them in a

679
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:21,213
Speaker 16: little pile in a dry pan and I just kind

680
00:33:21,213 --> 00:33:23,533
Speaker 16: of rotate them as I'm cooking the fish. And you

681
00:33:23,533 --> 00:33:25,213
Speaker 16: want to stack those up. But prior to that, I

682
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:27,253
Speaker 16: will have made some guacamole, because I don't think you

683
00:33:27,293 --> 00:33:30,013
Speaker 16: can have a taco without a bit of guacamole. And

684
00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:32,693
Speaker 16: avocado are really prime at the moment. They're cheap and

685
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:35,973
Speaker 16: they're good. So throw a whole avocado with a big

686
00:33:36,013 --> 00:33:38,853
Speaker 16: handful of fresh coriander, bit of lemon or lime juice,

687
00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 16: a little bit of chili, perhaps chili flakes in there,

688
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:43,613
Speaker 16: good amount of salt and pepper. Yes, you can put

689
00:33:43,653 --> 00:33:45,573
Speaker 16: garlic in there if you like, but don't be putting

690
00:33:45,573 --> 00:33:46,253
Speaker 16: your chopped.

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00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:47,653
Speaker 5: Tomatoes in there, thanks very much.

692
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Speaker 16: No, I'm just about the green stuff you know in here.

693
00:33:50,773 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 16: So taste it, you know, mush it all up either

694
00:33:53,613 --> 00:33:56,093
Speaker 16: blender if you like it really smooth. You can also

695
00:33:56,653 --> 00:33:59,453
Speaker 16: when avocados are a bit expensive, I will do it

696
00:33:59,493 --> 00:34:01,253
Speaker 16: in a blender and I will thin it down with

697
00:34:01,293 --> 00:34:04,493
Speaker 16: a little bit of ice, cold water, and no one's

698
00:34:04,493 --> 00:34:08,333
Speaker 16: the wiser, and you get a beautiful, really smooth, beautiful guacamole.

699
00:34:08,493 --> 00:34:11,293
Speaker 16: Other people like the chunky thing. You go for it

700
00:34:11,373 --> 00:34:14,773
Speaker 16: to serve our little tortillas. Smear each tortilla with the guacamole,

701
00:34:14,893 --> 00:34:17,333
Speaker 16: and this helps with the juices from the fish and

702
00:34:17,373 --> 00:34:20,053
Speaker 16: the lemon juice and that not kind of make your

703
00:34:20,093 --> 00:34:22,733
Speaker 16: tortilla collapse. Top it with a bit of lettuce, then

704
00:34:22,773 --> 00:34:26,213
Speaker 16: your fish pieces. In the summer, i'd be using a

705
00:34:26,213 --> 00:34:28,773
Speaker 16: little bit of chopped tomatoes or salsa or something like that.

706
00:34:28,853 --> 00:34:31,013
Speaker 16: But really at the moment, we're not in there. We're

707
00:34:31,013 --> 00:34:33,013
Speaker 16: not in that tomato season. I know they're here all

708
00:34:33,053 --> 00:34:34,773
Speaker 16: year round, but I wouldn't be using them but a

709
00:34:34,813 --> 00:34:38,213
Speaker 16: fresh coriander, some lovely hot sauce and a good squeeze

710
00:34:38,253 --> 00:34:39,533
Speaker 16: of lime juice if you've got it.

711
00:34:39,973 --> 00:34:43,093
Speaker 5: Or lemon juice, fold and eat them. And they're just

712
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:44,133
Speaker 5: insanely good.

713
00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:46,853
Speaker 16: And as I say, a small amount of fish goes

714
00:34:46,853 --> 00:34:49,653
Speaker 16: a long way with these, you know, a pretty healthy dinner.

715
00:34:49,733 --> 00:34:52,653
Speaker 2: I think, I just reckon it's great. I mean, you

716
00:34:52,693 --> 00:34:54,813
Speaker 2: can turn anything into a taco these days, but it

717
00:34:54,933 --> 00:34:57,293
Speaker 2: was just so I mean, well, yeah, I've got to

718
00:34:57,293 --> 00:35:00,373
Speaker 2: be careful here because I do I do love I

719
00:35:00,493 --> 00:35:04,893
Speaker 2: like a little bit of pork and yeah, but that does.

720
00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:07,293
Speaker 2: I think it's very hard to get like super fresh

721
00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:09,013
Speaker 2: fish taco It's very very hard to beat.

722
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Speaker 16: Oh, it's very hard to get them. Yeah, I agree,

723
00:35:11,093 --> 00:35:13,333
Speaker 16: so lok, yeah, knock yourselves out. There'll be someone selling

724
00:35:13,373 --> 00:35:16,213
Speaker 16: those at the festival. I guarantee it. Yeah, well, I

725
00:35:16,253 --> 00:35:17,293
Speaker 16: can't guarantee.

726
00:35:16,893 --> 00:35:17,453
Speaker 5: It, but I bet there.

727
00:35:17,653 --> 00:35:21,453
Speaker 2: Well, yes, yeah, I guarantee this. Yeah yeah, Okay, Well,

728
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:23,493
Speaker 2: we look forward to your reporting back. It's a tough

729
00:35:23,493 --> 00:35:27,013
Speaker 2: gig next weekend from the Port Charmer's Seafood Festival, and

730
00:35:27,213 --> 00:35:28,693
Speaker 2: we'll make sure we've got details for that up on

731
00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:31,373
Speaker 2: the News Talks. He'd be website as well. That's where

732
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:33,933
Speaker 2: everything from our show goes, right, So Nicky's recipe, that

733
00:35:33,973 --> 00:35:36,413
Speaker 2: fish taka recipe will be up on the website very

734
00:35:36,493 --> 00:35:40,373
Speaker 2: very soon. Francisca's film picks Prime Minister and Holly count

735
00:35:40,413 --> 00:35:42,613
Speaker 2: All the details for those are up on the website

736
00:35:42,613 --> 00:35:46,693
Speaker 2: as well. Jack, I am an avid listener on Saturday mornings.

737
00:35:46,813 --> 00:35:50,653
Speaker 2: Absolutely love your show. But if you don't ask Sting

738
00:35:50,733 --> 00:35:54,613
Speaker 2: about fields of Gold, my favorite song ever, I will

739
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:57,093
Speaker 2: never ever listen to you ever again.

740
00:35:59,013 --> 00:36:00,133
Speaker 3: I've got bad news.

741
00:36:00,653 --> 00:36:05,773
Speaker 2: I got bad news. Look, I'll say this, if Sting

742
00:36:06,053 --> 00:36:09,133
Speaker 2: was on, I would be asking Sting about fields of Gold, Okay,

743
00:36:09,773 --> 00:36:12,973
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat. However, Stuart Copeland is going to be

744
00:36:12,973 --> 00:36:15,533
Speaker 2: with us, the drama from the Police, who really doesn't

745
00:36:15,613 --> 00:36:17,813
Speaker 2: like Sting, is going to be with us after ten

746
00:36:17,853 --> 00:36:21,453
Speaker 2: this morning. He's an amazing drama and like an absolutely

747
00:36:21,573 --> 00:36:25,253
Speaker 2: vital part of the Police and their success. But he's

748
00:36:25,253 --> 00:36:27,053
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of Sting to say the least.

749
00:36:27,413 --> 00:36:30,973
Speaker 2: They literally had fisticuffs. They had fights when they were

750
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:33,773
Speaker 2: recording together. Apparently you can actually hear some of it

751
00:36:33,853 --> 00:36:36,733
Speaker 2: in every breath you take. But yeah, I'm sorry to

752
00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:39,173
Speaker 2: let you down on that front. Take this though, I

753
00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:41,533
Speaker 2: will if we do have Sting on the show, I'm

754
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:44,493
Speaker 2: going to put Libby on the job. She'll try and

755
00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:47,013
Speaker 2: track down Sting, convince him to get up in the

756
00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:49,493
Speaker 2: middle of the night and come on Saturday mornings. If

757
00:36:49,493 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 2: we get him on the show, I will ask him

758
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:53,333
Speaker 2: about fields of gold. Seven minutes to ten here with

759
00:36:53,413 --> 00:36:54,373
Speaker 2: Jack Tam on News.

760
00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:57,453
Speaker 1: Talks, he'd be giving you the inside scoop on all

761
00:36:57,573 --> 00:37:00,653
Speaker 1: you need to know on Saturday morning with Jack dam

762
00:37:00,973 --> 00:37:01,533
Speaker 1: News Talks.

763
00:37:01,573 --> 00:37:01,853
Speaker 8: I'd be.

764
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Speaker 12: Right.

765
00:37:05,093 --> 00:37:07,133
Speaker 2: We've just had a little update from New York. So

766
00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:09,173
Speaker 2: I said at the start of the show this morning

767
00:37:09,213 --> 00:37:11,253
Speaker 2: that times can be a bit changeable when it comes

768
00:37:11,293 --> 00:37:13,693
Speaker 2: to the UN General Assembly. That has been the case

769
00:37:13,693 --> 00:37:16,413
Speaker 2: this morning. So we're expecting Foreign Minister Winston Peters to

770
00:37:16,413 --> 00:37:19,133
Speaker 2: make his address at about quarter to eleven this morning.

771
00:37:19,173 --> 00:37:23,173
Speaker 2: Previously it was eleven o'clock. He's they're apparently running early

772
00:37:23,293 --> 00:37:25,893
Speaker 2: first for everything, so that's good news for all of

773
00:37:25,893 --> 00:37:27,893
Speaker 2: those people waiting for all the speeches to be done

774
00:37:27,933 --> 00:37:30,173
Speaker 2: at the General Assembly this morning. That's when we're expecting

775
00:37:30,213 --> 00:37:32,733
Speaker 2: Winston Peters to make a call on New Zealand's position

776
00:37:32,773 --> 00:37:35,293
Speaker 2: when it comes to Palestine. So anyway, after ten o'clock,

777
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:37,333
Speaker 2: I will keep you up to speed, let you know

778
00:37:37,373 --> 00:37:39,973
Speaker 2: what is happening with all of that. For Norris is Jack.

779
00:37:40,213 --> 00:37:42,013
Speaker 2: If it was okay in the seventies and eighties and

780
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:45,333
Speaker 2: nineties for us to walk around wolves, why is it

781
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:47,613
Speaker 2: a good thing they don't do it now. I'm just curious.

782
00:37:48,373 --> 00:37:50,733
Speaker 2: I think it's a safety thing. Like even when I

783
00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:52,373
Speaker 2: think back to the wolves when I was a kid,

784
00:37:52,613 --> 00:37:55,773
Speaker 2: it wasn't exactly safe. In fact, sadly, they have had

785
00:37:55,813 --> 00:37:59,093
Speaker 2: lots of accidents I think at working ports with members

786
00:37:59,133 --> 00:38:01,573
Speaker 2: of the public have come down and tripped over things,

787
00:38:01,653 --> 00:38:03,253
Speaker 2: or been standing in the wrong place and that kind

788
00:38:03,293 --> 00:38:04,933
Speaker 2: of thing. It's just not super safe. So I think

789
00:38:04,973 --> 00:38:07,653
Speaker 2: that's why they have made that call these days. I'll

790
00:38:07,653 --> 00:38:10,413
Speaker 2: get tomorrow your feedback after ten o'clock. As well as that,

791
00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:14,373
Speaker 2: we're going to look at the biggest property price crashes

792
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:17,213
Speaker 2: in history. So yep, New Zealand's been through a bit

793
00:38:17,253 --> 00:38:18,413
Speaker 2: of an up and a bit of a down over

794
00:38:18,453 --> 00:38:20,773
Speaker 2: the last few years, but my goodness, it doesn't compare

795
00:38:20,813 --> 00:38:23,413
Speaker 2: with the absolute record setter. So I'll share those with

796
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:25,813
Speaker 2: you and of course, right after the ten o'clock news

797
00:38:25,973 --> 00:38:30,613
Speaker 2: feature interview the man hitting the high hat Right there,

798
00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:35,333
Speaker 2: Stuart Copeland, drummer from the Police, a man with an

799
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:38,293
Speaker 2: extraordinary music career, is making his way to New Zealand.

800
00:38:38,893 --> 00:38:41,373
Speaker 2: But first he's chatting with us. News is next. It's

801
00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:43,293
Speaker 2: almost ten. This is News Talk ZEDV.

802
00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:49,853
Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

803
00:38:49,933 --> 00:39:21,813
Speaker 1: Team News Talk zbely Ah.

804
00:39:22,973 --> 00:39:27,013
Speaker 2: That's an incredible song, isn't it. Stuart Copeland's drumming helped

805
00:39:27,173 --> 00:39:31,693
Speaker 2: define a generation. As the drummer for the Police, he

806
00:39:31,773 --> 00:39:34,733
Speaker 2: played at some of the world's and New Zealand's bigguse venues,

807
00:39:35,453 --> 00:39:39,053
Speaker 2: and Stuart is a muso's muso at heart. As well

808
00:39:39,053 --> 00:39:42,133
Speaker 2: as playing with the Police, he's worked extensively and composing

809
00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:46,253
Speaker 2: for film and TV. He's even written opera and now

810
00:39:46,653 --> 00:39:49,733
Speaker 2: eighteen years since he was last on our shores, Stuart

811
00:39:49,773 --> 00:39:52,893
Speaker 2: is returning for a very special spoken word to a

812
00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:56,173
Speaker 2: Stuart is with us this morning, Calder, good morning.

813
00:39:56,693 --> 00:39:58,373
Speaker 8: Well, thank you very much. Good to be talking to

814
00:39:58,453 --> 00:39:59,253
Speaker 8: New Zealand.

815
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Speaker 5: It is cool.

816
00:40:00,253 --> 00:40:01,453
Speaker 8: Looking forward to getting down there.

817
00:40:01,653 --> 00:40:04,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're delighted you're coming down. Tell us about the

818
00:40:04,293 --> 00:40:09,293
Speaker 2: show because I've spoken word to it. I suppose it's

819
00:40:09,453 --> 00:40:10,853
Speaker 2: a different kind of creative outlet.

820
00:40:11,893 --> 00:40:14,493
Speaker 8: Well, it is. It's talking instead of banging stuff, which

821
00:40:14,533 --> 00:40:17,253
Speaker 8: requires a little more brain power. You know. Usually when

822
00:40:17,253 --> 00:40:20,813
Speaker 8: I'm behind the drums banging stuff, it doesn't take a

823
00:40:20,853 --> 00:40:26,373
Speaker 8: lot of intellectual exercise necessarily, But here actually having to

824
00:40:26,453 --> 00:40:29,733
Speaker 8: form sentences and so on, it's a little more challenging.

825
00:40:30,053 --> 00:40:34,253
Speaker 8: But fortunately, in my seventy something years, I've had a

826
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Speaker 8: couple of adventures which are fun to talk about.

827
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be. It must be so nice to

828
00:40:39,933 --> 00:40:43,733
Speaker 2: be able to kind of purposefully sit down with an

829
00:40:43,773 --> 00:40:46,693
Speaker 2: audience who is so keen to hear those stories and

830
00:40:46,853 --> 00:40:48,973
Speaker 2: actually reflect on them in an active way.

831
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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you know, it's much better than chatting to

832
00:40:53,413 --> 00:40:57,773
Speaker 8: somebody at a cocktail party or or any form of conversation.

833
00:40:59,213 --> 00:41:01,853
Speaker 8: You know, I've noticed that that singers, front persons and

834
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:05,453
Speaker 8: bands are often very shy, And the reason that they're

835
00:41:05,573 --> 00:41:09,053
Speaker 8: become front person is because armed with a five jillion

836
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:12,733
Speaker 8: watt PA, conversations are easier.

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Speaker 17: People are forced to listen to you exactly exactly.

838
00:41:18,653 --> 00:41:22,653
Speaker 2: So you I mean, you've been taking the show around

839
00:41:22,653 --> 00:41:24,293
Speaker 2: the place a bit, touring it around a little bit

840
00:41:24,333 --> 00:41:29,613
Speaker 2: and it's been incredibly well received. What has the experience

841
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:32,453
Speaker 2: been like for you? Have you found that as the

842
00:41:32,493 --> 00:41:36,653
Speaker 2: shows have continued that you've been surprised about some of

843
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:38,773
Speaker 2: the things that you found yourself coming back to or

844
00:41:38,773 --> 00:41:40,773
Speaker 2: reflecting on, or have you kind of gotten to a

845
00:41:40,853 --> 00:41:41,933
Speaker 2: rhythm with the same stories.

846
00:41:43,173 --> 00:41:48,253
Speaker 8: Well, every audience amazingly laughs at different times and pauses

847
00:41:48,293 --> 00:41:51,013
Speaker 8: at different times, and cheers at different times, and that

848
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:54,933
Speaker 8: keeps it interesting. Last night's gag that brought down the

849
00:41:54,973 --> 00:41:58,573
Speaker 8: house goes like a damp squib tonight and vice versa.

850
00:41:58,693 --> 00:42:02,373
Speaker 8: You know, just something throughout nothing tonight the place goes.

851
00:42:02,773 --> 00:42:04,853
Speaker 8: So every audience is different. That makes it much more

852
00:42:04,893 --> 00:42:08,653
Speaker 8: inspiring for me. And it is actually a lot of

853
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:11,733
Speaker 8: fun to carry the room with you on one of

854
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:16,213
Speaker 8: those adventures, whether it's chasing giraffes across the serengetti, or

855
00:42:16,293 --> 00:42:20,373
Speaker 8: chasing royalty across the polo fields of sirens sster you know,

856
00:42:21,653 --> 00:42:24,653
Speaker 8: or for that matter, chasing conductors across the stage in

857
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:28,013
Speaker 8: the opera house. You know, when the audience is with

858
00:42:28,053 --> 00:42:32,013
Speaker 8: you listening, it is inspiring and it infuses your words

859
00:42:32,053 --> 00:42:33,613
Speaker 8: with kind of an extra mojo.

860
00:42:33,973 --> 00:42:36,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to give us a sense of the kinds

861
00:42:36,933 --> 00:42:38,973
Speaker 2: of stories you're telling without giving too much away, what

862
00:42:39,613 --> 00:42:41,453
Speaker 2: kinds of parts of your life and career are you

863
00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:42,733
Speaker 2: reflecting on the most.

864
00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:47,773
Speaker 8: Well, pretty much covering most of it. Pre police and

865
00:42:47,893 --> 00:42:51,053
Speaker 8: curved air, my prog rock days, a lot of noodling

866
00:42:51,813 --> 00:42:55,653
Speaker 8: and self promotion. Of course, there's my family background, which

867
00:42:55,653 --> 00:42:57,573
Speaker 8: is I didn't realize until I grew up that my

868
00:42:57,613 --> 00:43:00,973
Speaker 8: family was really strange. My daddy was a spy in

869
00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 8: the Middle East, busy imposing and sustaining dictators, despots and assholes,

870
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:11,493
Speaker 8: and I thought it was perfectly normal to grow up

871
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,933
Speaker 8: in Bairut Lebanon. Didn't everyone else, But it was different.

872
00:43:15,573 --> 00:43:20,693
Speaker 8: And so I've had a checkered career, my adventures in

873
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:26,813
Speaker 8: Hollywood with Francis Coppola, Oliver Stone at all navigating all that.

874
00:43:26,853 --> 00:43:29,093
Speaker 8: But the cool thing about that I can share with

875
00:43:29,133 --> 00:43:32,533
Speaker 8: your listeners that is unexpected is that some of the

876
00:43:32,613 --> 00:43:36,333
Speaker 8: most valuable lessons I've learned about music were when I

877
00:43:36,413 --> 00:43:41,493
Speaker 8: was a stone cold employee, a composer for hire, a

878
00:43:41,613 --> 00:43:45,173
Speaker 8: hired gun flinty eyed film composer, and when the boss

879
00:43:45,213 --> 00:43:47,533
Speaker 8: man says I want this, I got to figure out

880
00:43:47,533 --> 00:43:50,853
Speaker 8: how to do this. Whereas an artist following their own

881
00:43:50,893 --> 00:43:53,653
Speaker 8: instincts doesn't have to do that. They don't have to

882
00:43:53,653 --> 00:43:57,493
Speaker 8: develop their skills beyond what their instincts are interested in.

883
00:43:57,853 --> 00:43:58,173
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:43:58,293 --> 00:44:01,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have just first of all, had

885
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:04,693
Speaker 2: an incredibly varied and interesting life, like this kind of

886
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:10,413
Speaker 2: rich range of experiences. But then even within the musical realm,

887
00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:14,533
Speaker 2: I mean this incredible kind of richness with your experiences.

888
00:44:14,653 --> 00:44:16,533
Speaker 2: So when you say that, you feel like you learn

889
00:44:16,693 --> 00:44:19,933
Speaker 2: more as an employee, like when those constraints were put

890
00:44:19,933 --> 00:44:23,093
Speaker 2: on you, those creative constraints by Heffington.

891
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:26,933
Speaker 8: Well he's constraints constraints as well as prads.

892
00:44:27,293 --> 00:44:29,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, go there, Yeah, don't do this.

893
00:44:30,013 --> 00:44:33,413
Speaker 8: It's also I need that specifically, this emotion I need

894
00:44:33,453 --> 00:44:36,333
Speaker 8: to you know, the audience thinks this handsome guy who

895
00:44:36,373 --> 00:44:39,093
Speaker 8: says I love you to the beautiful woman and the

896
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:42,253
Speaker 8: moon shining and everything. They're what they're seeing. The information

897
00:44:42,333 --> 00:44:45,973
Speaker 8: they're getting is he's handsome, she's pretty, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. However,

898
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:50,413
Speaker 8: the plot is that he's an asshole, and so I

899
00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:53,893
Speaker 8: put my shit cord on him, and so the audience

900
00:44:53,973 --> 00:44:57,093
Speaker 8: they don't believe they're lying eyes. They believe my chord,

901
00:44:57,253 --> 00:45:01,453
Speaker 8: which informs them emotionally do not trust this guy, and

902
00:45:01,533 --> 00:45:05,133
Speaker 8: so it's not what I'm constrained. The film comes, there's

903
00:45:05,173 --> 00:45:08,013
Speaker 8: not so much constraint as he's pushed into doing very

904
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:12,613
Speaker 8: specific using music to speak very specific emotional language.

905
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:16,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's prompted, as you say, so is working on

906
00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:20,133
Speaker 2: a project like that. How do you compare the creative

907
00:45:20,173 --> 00:45:24,613
Speaker 2: satisfaction from a project like that with something wearby? You

908
00:45:24,693 --> 00:45:27,093
Speaker 2: are just out there making whatever music you want to make.

909
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:30,653
Speaker 8: Well, for one thing, I don't do that anymore. Yeah,

910
00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 8: I haven't scored a movie in twenty or thirty years

911
00:45:33,533 --> 00:45:37,093
Speaker 8: or something like that. But I do the same job,

912
00:45:38,173 --> 00:45:43,493
Speaker 8: but the pay is much worse. And it's called opera. Yeah,

913
00:45:43,533 --> 00:45:46,413
Speaker 8: it's the same job. It's telling the story and guiding

914
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:49,373
Speaker 8: the emotions with music, a lot more music, and an

915
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,813
Speaker 8: opera the composer gets to be boss of everything, which

916
00:45:51,853 --> 00:45:56,493
Speaker 8: is another cool thing about it. But the pay sucks.

917
00:45:56,813 --> 00:46:00,133
Speaker 8: But I live a very simple life, so I can

918
00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:01,573
Speaker 8: afford to be an opera composer.

919
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:06,013
Speaker 2: How do you how do you reflect on the kind

920
00:46:06,053 --> 00:46:10,093
Speaker 2: of rational impact of your music and specifically of the police.

921
00:46:10,093 --> 00:46:11,933
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure if you hear this all

922
00:46:11,933 --> 00:46:12,373
Speaker 2: the time.

923
00:46:12,213 --> 00:46:14,333
Speaker 8: At least is one generation, but I've got another whole

924
00:46:14,413 --> 00:46:20,533
Speaker 8: bandwidth yeah of Spiro fans. Yeah yeah, game and people

925
00:46:20,573 --> 00:46:23,613
Speaker 8: of a specific age group who grew up playing Spiro.

926
00:46:24,293 --> 00:46:26,733
Speaker 8: Uh they find out, oh the music. Oh I love

927
00:46:26,773 --> 00:46:29,773
Speaker 8: the music, you know. And you know that the music guy,

928
00:46:29,893 --> 00:46:31,453
Speaker 8: you know, he used to play in a band. No

929
00:46:31,693 --> 00:46:32,253
Speaker 8: what band?

930
00:46:32,893 --> 00:46:34,693
Speaker 2: Uh you might have heard of it.

931
00:46:35,413 --> 00:46:37,573
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, many people make that connection. But I'm very

932
00:46:37,573 --> 00:46:38,333
Speaker 8: proud of Spiro.

933
00:46:38,853 --> 00:46:41,693
Speaker 2: Well, I you know, I grew up in a household.

934
00:46:41,813 --> 00:46:44,333
Speaker 8: Actually it actually succeeded to the same extent that the

935
00:46:44,333 --> 00:46:48,213
Speaker 8: Police did in a way. It's still going thirty years later.

936
00:46:48,293 --> 00:46:50,893
Speaker 2: See that just must be so satisfying. Like I am.

937
00:46:51,933 --> 00:46:54,773
Speaker 8: Yeah, dragons, you know, a pink dragon is much easier

938
00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:57,053
Speaker 8: to get along with than a certain bass player.

939
00:46:59,093 --> 00:47:03,333
Speaker 2: Just kidding, just kidding, Hey, you see it, not me, okay,

940
00:47:04,773 --> 00:47:08,053
Speaker 2: I I am so. I grew up in a household

941
00:47:08,093 --> 00:47:10,933
Speaker 2: where my dad would just always play music, his music

942
00:47:10,973 --> 00:47:15,133
Speaker 2: really really loud, right, And so we grew up with Hendrix,

943
00:47:15,373 --> 00:47:20,013
Speaker 2: with Cream, with the original Fleetwood Mac and with the Police.

944
00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:22,973
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because when me and my siblings all

945
00:47:22,973 --> 00:47:26,133
Speaker 2: moved out of home, we all ended up, you know,

946
00:47:26,173 --> 00:47:28,053
Speaker 2: the music that we rolled our eyes at when we

947
00:47:28,053 --> 00:47:30,493
Speaker 2: were kids ended up being the music that we all

948
00:47:30,493 --> 00:47:33,653
Speaker 2: bought for ourselves. And so I think buying a couple

949
00:47:33,653 --> 00:47:36,013
Speaker 2: of Police albums was one of the first things I

950
00:47:36,053 --> 00:47:39,293
Speaker 2: did once I left home, which is a bizarre thing.

951
00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:41,173
Speaker 2: So I just wonder how you kind of reflect on

952
00:47:41,533 --> 00:47:45,413
Speaker 2: having that kind of impact across generations in the same

953
00:47:45,453 --> 00:47:47,333
Speaker 2: way you mentioned with Spiro.

954
00:47:48,253 --> 00:47:51,373
Speaker 8: Well, I'm actually still just digesting what you said about

955
00:47:51,613 --> 00:47:54,253
Speaker 8: that your dad turned you on to Jimmy Hendrix.

956
00:47:54,573 --> 00:47:56,653
Speaker 4: Yeah.

957
00:47:56,933 --> 00:47:59,133
Speaker 8: I was once driving my kids to school, you know,

958
00:47:59,173 --> 00:48:00,933
Speaker 8: the only way I could stay hip was driving my

959
00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 8: kids to school and they would play with me what's

960
00:48:03,813 --> 00:48:07,693
Speaker 8: going on? And one day my daughter twelve, check this

961
00:48:07,773 --> 00:48:09,253
Speaker 8: out and it was Jimmy Hendrix.

962
00:48:09,893 --> 00:48:15,413
Speaker 18: Ah, she said, you probably haven't heard of this guy.

963
00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:20,093
Speaker 8: My goodness. But the idea that your dad I mean

964
00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:22,573
Speaker 8: for me. My dad raised me to be a jazz musician.

965
00:48:22,853 --> 00:48:26,053
Speaker 8: He raised me on on what is known as wrong jazz,

966
00:48:26,093 --> 00:48:29,173
Speaker 8: which is to say, white big band jazz, Stan Kenton,

967
00:48:29,293 --> 00:48:31,853
Speaker 8: Louis Belson, and well, of course Buddy Rich, which is cool.

968
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:34,493
Speaker 8: But he raised me to be a jazz musician. But

969
00:48:34,573 --> 00:48:37,653
Speaker 8: when I heard Jimmy Hendrix, it was all about rebellion.

970
00:48:38,453 --> 00:48:41,373
Speaker 8: You know that for me, Jimmy Hendrix was a rebellion

971
00:48:41,493 --> 00:48:44,053
Speaker 8: against my dad. And there you are, growing up with

972
00:48:44,093 --> 00:48:47,053
Speaker 8: your dad turning you on to Jimmy Hendrix. Yeah.

973
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:49,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's amazing how these things happen, Right, This is

974
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,853
Speaker 2: what I mean it. I feel like good music ultimately

975
00:48:52,933 --> 00:48:55,613
Speaker 2: bleeds into the next generation and it's passed on, and

976
00:48:55,653 --> 00:48:58,053
Speaker 2: yet it's it's a kind of there's a beautiful cycle

977
00:48:58,093 --> 00:48:58,413
Speaker 2: to it.

978
00:48:59,093 --> 00:49:01,613
Speaker 8: Well, I'll share something else, and I've talked to this

979
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:05,293
Speaker 8: with you know, McCartney and Ringo a Mick, you know,

980
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:10,613
Speaker 8: Beatles and Stones, the people who came before me. None

981
00:49:10,653 --> 00:49:13,773
Speaker 8: of them, nor us in the Police, none of us

982
00:49:13,853 --> 00:49:16,653
Speaker 8: ever expected our music to last longer than ten minutes.

983
00:49:17,013 --> 00:49:19,533
Speaker 8: We play pop music. The music is to hit the

984
00:49:19,613 --> 00:49:22,173
Speaker 8: charts and be gone within a couple of weeks. Eat

985
00:49:22,173 --> 00:49:25,493
Speaker 8: it like a sandwich, you know, fast food. That's what

986
00:49:25,533 --> 00:49:28,413
Speaker 8: pop music is supposed to be. And so none of

987
00:49:28,493 --> 00:49:32,053
Speaker 8: us ever would have dreamed that, you know, whether the

988
00:49:32,533 --> 00:49:36,613
Speaker 8: Beatles or the Police would dream that the music would

989
00:49:36,693 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 8: live on. And I think something happened around the year

990
00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:44,293
Speaker 8: two thousand, around that time when suddenly retro became a

991
00:49:44,293 --> 00:49:49,813
Speaker 8: good thing. Old school became a compliment, and kids, I guess,

992
00:49:49,893 --> 00:49:54,133
Speaker 8: realized that the originals are somehow have more X factor

993
00:49:54,213 --> 00:49:58,213
Speaker 8: than the derivatives. And so around two thousand kids are

994
00:49:58,213 --> 00:50:01,173
Speaker 8: you know, on the radio. They're getting the derivatives until

995
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:04,173
Speaker 8: somebody discovers the original. Jimmy Hendry go, wait a minute,

996
00:50:04,373 --> 00:50:08,933
Speaker 8: that's way better. And so God blessed the children of

997
00:50:08,973 --> 00:50:13,413
Speaker 8: the world that around that time they started to rediscover well,

998
00:50:13,533 --> 00:50:18,133
Speaker 8: the dinosaurs, which when and the police just scrapes into

999
00:50:18,173 --> 00:50:19,253
Speaker 8: that category.

1000
00:50:20,053 --> 00:50:24,573
Speaker 2: No, I think it's just a quality supersedes everything else.

1001
00:50:24,653 --> 00:50:26,693
Speaker 2: I think there's nothing to do with being dinosaurs or

1002
00:50:26,733 --> 00:50:29,613
Speaker 2: anything else. It's the same reason we listened to Beethoven today.

1003
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:32,853
Speaker 8: For me, it was about rebellion. Yeah, yeah, because the

1004
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:38,053
Speaker 8: cultural divide between my generation and my parents was much

1005
00:50:38,373 --> 00:50:42,813
Speaker 8: wider than the divide between you and your parents.

1006
00:50:43,253 --> 00:50:45,533
Speaker 2: Hey, look, we're so delighted you're coming to New Zealand.

1007
00:50:45,933 --> 00:50:48,373
Speaker 2: It is fantastic news, all the very best with have

1008
00:50:48,453 --> 00:50:49,933
Speaker 2: I said too much? And we can't wait to see

1009
00:50:50,053 --> 00:50:50,893
Speaker 2: soon Stuart.

1010
00:50:51,333 --> 00:50:52,573
Speaker 8: Looking forward to getting down there.

1011
00:50:52,893 --> 00:50:55,493
Speaker 2: That is Stuart Copeland. Have I said too Much? Is

1012
00:50:55,733 --> 00:50:58,213
Speaker 2: his tour. We've got all the details on the news

1013
00:50:58,213 --> 00:51:01,173
Speaker 2: tools he'd be website. What a privilege that is. Mars's

1014
00:51:01,173 --> 00:51:02,973
Speaker 2: look me in out, Jack. I hope you realize how

1015
00:51:03,053 --> 00:51:07,173
Speaker 2: much of a walking, talking, absolute bona fide legend you're

1016
00:51:07,213 --> 00:51:09,853
Speaker 2: speaking with this morning. This guy I grew up with.

1017
00:51:09,973 --> 00:51:13,373
Speaker 2: I just love what he has done, achieved and created

1018
00:51:13,493 --> 00:51:16,973
Speaker 2: in music. Thanks Mars ninety two ninety two. If you

1019
00:51:17,053 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 2: want to send us a text message this morning, that's

1020
00:51:19,093 --> 00:51:22,933
Speaker 2: the text number to send us your message. I'm going

1021
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:24,773
Speaker 2: to get to more of your feedback very shortly before

1022
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:27,093
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock. We're in the garden and we're catching up

1023
00:51:27,093 --> 00:51:29,853
Speaker 2: with our personal finance expert who is looking at the

1024
00:51:29,853 --> 00:51:32,493
Speaker 2: state of the New Zealand property market, looking at what

1025
00:51:32,693 --> 00:51:35,573
Speaker 2: has been a tumultuous period to say the least, and

1026
00:51:35,653 --> 00:51:40,253
Speaker 2: comparing it with other big property crashes in history. So

1027
00:51:40,293 --> 00:51:41,533
Speaker 2: he's going to give us a bit of a history

1028
00:51:41,613 --> 00:51:44,373
Speaker 2: lesson before eleven o'clock. Next up, we've got your screen

1029
00:51:44,413 --> 00:51:46,253
Speaker 2: time picks for this weekend. If you're looking for a

1030
00:51:46,253 --> 00:51:48,773
Speaker 2: good show to watch your stream from the comfort of

1031
00:51:48,773 --> 00:51:51,533
Speaker 2: your couch. Right now it's twenty past ten.

1032
00:51:52,973 --> 00:51:56,493
Speaker 1: Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with

1033
00:51:56,733 --> 00:51:58,493
Speaker 1: Jack daim Us Dogs.

1034
00:51:58,253 --> 00:52:03,253
Speaker 2: At the twenty three minutes past ten. That was outstanding, Jack, thanks,

1035
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:05,893
Speaker 2: says Paul. Thank you, Paul. Oh, am Marie has flicked

1036
00:52:05,893 --> 00:52:09,253
Speaker 2: me a note she groomed Stuart Copeland's polo ponies in

1037
00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:13,093
Speaker 2: Kurtlington in England back in the eighties. How amazing. That's

1038
00:52:13,093 --> 00:52:15,293
Speaker 2: a great little connection. Thank you, am Marie. I'll get

1039
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,093
Speaker 2: to more of your feedback in a few minutes. Right now,

1040
00:52:17,093 --> 00:52:20,813
Speaker 2: though it is screen time time. Tara Ward joins us

1041
00:52:20,893 --> 00:52:24,173
Speaker 2: at this time every week with her three top picks

1042
00:52:24,173 --> 00:52:27,213
Speaker 2: for shows to watch or stream at home. She's with

1043
00:52:27,333 --> 00:52:27,813
Speaker 2: us this morning.

1044
00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:30,333
Speaker 4: Hey, Tara Jerda, good morning.

1045
00:52:30,533 --> 00:52:32,693
Speaker 2: Let's begin with a show on TV and Z one

1046
00:52:32,733 --> 00:52:35,573
Speaker 2: and TV and Z Plus from tomorrow. Tell us about

1047
00:52:35,653 --> 00:52:36,693
Speaker 2: I Fought the Law.

1048
00:52:38,253 --> 00:52:38,493
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1049
00:52:38,493 --> 00:52:40,733
Speaker 19: This is a new British drama and it's one of

1050
00:52:40,773 --> 00:52:43,133
Speaker 19: those shows that the British do so well. It's a

1051
00:52:43,173 --> 00:52:46,293
Speaker 19: true story of the underdog taking on the system and

1052
00:52:46,813 --> 00:52:50,173
Speaker 19: eventually winning the stars. Sheridan Smith, and she plays a

1053
00:52:50,213 --> 00:52:53,293
Speaker 19: woman called Anning and was a nurse and a mother

1054
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:56,773
Speaker 19: who took on the British legal system after her twenty

1055
00:52:56,813 --> 00:52:59,173
Speaker 19: two year old daughter was murdered in nineteen eighty nine,

1056
00:52:59,253 --> 00:53:02,733
Speaker 19: and she campaigned to overturn the double jeopardy rule, which

1057
00:53:02,773 --> 00:53:06,053
Speaker 19: had existed for eight hundred years, and it meant that

1058
00:53:06,093 --> 00:53:09,093
Speaker 19: people couldn't be tried twice in court for the same offense.

1059
00:53:09,493 --> 00:53:13,013
Speaker 19: So Anne's campaign and the success of her campaign meant

1060
00:53:13,013 --> 00:53:15,413
Speaker 19: that the man who killed her daughter, who was acquitted

1061
00:53:15,413 --> 00:53:18,533
Speaker 19: because of miss trials, could be tried again and found guilty.

1062
00:53:18,613 --> 00:53:22,213
Speaker 19: And it took years, but justice was done because Anne

1063
00:53:22,213 --> 00:53:22,933
Speaker 19: never gave up.

1064
00:53:23,213 --> 00:53:24,613
Speaker 7: And so it's a really.

1065
00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:29,013
Speaker 19: Compelling, quite heartbreaking story. And Sheridan Smith has built her

1066
00:53:29,053 --> 00:53:32,213
Speaker 19: career on portraying real life people who deal with huge adversity.

1067
00:53:32,253 --> 00:53:34,853
Speaker 19: She was made for this role and she's so good

1068
00:53:34,893 --> 00:53:39,133
Speaker 19: here as a grieving but very stubborn mother. The series

1069
00:53:39,213 --> 00:53:41,893
Speaker 19: is based on a book that Anne wrote. She was

1070
00:53:41,933 --> 00:53:43,453
Speaker 19: involved with the making of the show and so it's

1071
00:53:43,533 --> 00:53:47,133
Speaker 19: quite true to her experience, and it's one of those

1072
00:53:47,253 --> 00:53:50,133
Speaker 19: stories that will shock you and surprise you and make

1073
00:53:50,213 --> 00:53:53,533
Speaker 19: you really mad, but at its heart, it's about a

1074
00:53:53,573 --> 00:53:56,693
Speaker 19: human tragedy and it's about how far one mother will

1075
00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:59,653
Speaker 19: go to justice. So yeah, you will need the tissues

1076
00:53:59,653 --> 00:53:59,933
Speaker 19: for this.

1077
00:53:59,933 --> 00:54:02,533
Speaker 2: One, right, Okay, sounds really compelling. So that's I thought.

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00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,893
Speaker 2: The Lord that's on TVNZ one and TVNZ plus streaming

1079
00:54:05,933 --> 00:54:08,093
Speaker 2: on nets. Tell us about Wayward.

1080
00:54:09,333 --> 00:54:13,173
Speaker 19: This is intriguing you. Psychological thriller that's just started on

1081
00:54:13,213 --> 00:54:16,413
Speaker 19: Netflix that's created by comedian May Martin and stars May

1082
00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:18,933
Speaker 19: Martin and Tony Collette. And I mean when I see

1083
00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:21,573
Speaker 19: tonyt Collette's name attached to something, you know that it's

1084
00:54:21,613 --> 00:54:24,213
Speaker 19: going to be good. This is set in two thousand

1085
00:54:24,213 --> 00:54:27,373
Speaker 19: and three in a small town in Vermont where there

1086
00:54:27,413 --> 00:54:31,053
Speaker 19: is a school for troubled teens called Toolpine Academy, and

1087
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:33,693
Speaker 19: the teenagers there have been sent there by their desperate

1088
00:54:33,773 --> 00:54:36,933
Speaker 19: parents and the school promises to sort their issues out

1089
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:40,693
Speaker 19: and turn them into valued members of society. And May

1090
00:54:40,733 --> 00:54:43,493
Speaker 19: Martin plays a police officer who is new to town.

1091
00:54:44,253 --> 00:54:46,173
Speaker 19: They bump into one of the students who is trying

1092
00:54:46,173 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 19: to escape the academy and immediately become suspicious of what

1093
00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:52,573
Speaker 19: is actually going on at the school behind closed doors.

1094
00:54:53,373 --> 00:54:55,213
Speaker 19: Tony Collette is so great in this. She plays the

1095
00:54:55,253 --> 00:54:57,813
Speaker 19: leader of the school. She's sort of like a cult

1096
00:54:57,933 --> 00:55:00,933
Speaker 19: leader figure. She has this strange influence in town. She

1097
00:55:01,053 --> 00:55:03,973
Speaker 19: knows everybody. There's a bit of a sinister edge to her.

1098
00:55:04,053 --> 00:55:05,893
Speaker 19: And I think the show is going to get darker

1099
00:55:06,013 --> 00:55:08,373
Speaker 19: and more creepier as it goes on. There's a bit

1100
00:55:08,373 --> 00:55:10,573
Speaker 19: of a Twin Peaks vibe to this, which I really like.

1101
00:55:10,693 --> 00:55:14,893
Speaker 19: There's a bit of uneasy energy, quirky small town nothing

1102
00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:17,613
Speaker 19: is as it seems. This is a show that's going

1103
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:20,533
Speaker 19: to keep surprising you and taking you in different directions.

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Speaker 2: Nice. So that's streaming on Netflix. It's Wayward and your

1105
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,053
Speaker 2: third pick for us this week is also on Netflix.

1106
00:55:26,373 --> 00:55:27,333
Speaker 2: House of Guinness.

1107
00:55:28,413 --> 00:55:28,613
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1108
00:55:28,653 --> 00:55:30,693
Speaker 19: I've been waiting for this one for a while. This

1109
00:55:30,733 --> 00:55:33,693
Speaker 19: is a historical drama about the Guinness family of Dublin,

1110
00:55:33,773 --> 00:55:36,533
Speaker 19: and it's created by Stephen Knight, who makes a lot

1111
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:39,493
Speaker 19: of historical dramas like Pecky Blinders and A Thousand Blows.

1112
00:55:39,933 --> 00:55:42,053
Speaker 19: So if you like Pecky Blinders, I think you will

1113
00:55:42,093 --> 00:55:43,813
Speaker 19: like this as well. It's got that same kind of

1114
00:55:43,853 --> 00:55:47,413
Speaker 19: big energy, big style to it. It's got a soundtrack,

1115
00:55:47,773 --> 00:55:50,773
Speaker 19: but it's quite gritty and dramatic and it's set in

1116
00:55:50,813 --> 00:55:53,333
Speaker 19: the eighteen sixties and it's about the wealthy Guinness family,

1117
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:57,013
Speaker 19: who of course created the world famous beer. The patriarch,

1118
00:55:57,053 --> 00:56:00,453
Speaker 19: Benjamin has just died and his four children are left

1119
00:56:00,573 --> 00:56:03,213
Speaker 19: to fight over who will succeed him. None of them

1120
00:56:03,253 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 19: are particularly capable, which means that a guy called Shaw

1121
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:10,213
Speaker 19: Raffitee who's played by the always excellent James Norton, he

1122
00:56:10,333 --> 00:56:13,333
Speaker 19: runs the Guinness factory. He sees the opportunity to step

1123
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:15,653
Speaker 19: up and take control. So there's a bit of a

1124
00:56:15,693 --> 00:56:18,453
Speaker 19: succession feel to this. It's about power and money and

1125
00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 19: dysfunctional family and how people can be manipulated and controlled.

1126
00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:28,093
Speaker 19: And it plays out against this background of Irish political

1127
00:56:28,253 --> 00:56:32,573
Speaker 19: and religious tension, and the show is inspired by real

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00:56:32,573 --> 00:56:35,133
Speaker 19: events and real people. But I think I think Stephen

1129
00:56:35,173 --> 00:56:38,013
Speaker 19: Knight has used quite a bit of creative license here,

1130
00:56:38,373 --> 00:56:40,413
Speaker 19: So I think if you go into this watching it

1131
00:56:40,573 --> 00:56:44,653
Speaker 19: just as entertainment rather than a rareistick portrayal of Irish history,

1132
00:56:44,693 --> 00:56:45,573
Speaker 19: I think you'll enjoy it a lot.

1133
00:56:45,693 --> 00:56:45,893
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1134
00:56:45,933 --> 00:56:48,493
Speaker 2: Okay, cool. So that's House of Guinness. That's on Netflix.

1135
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:49,893
Speaker 2: It sounds, like I was saying earlier, kind of like

1136
00:56:49,933 --> 00:56:58,133
Speaker 2: a like a beer brewing succession. Yeah yeah, you've got yeah,

1137
00:56:58,213 --> 00:57:02,293
Speaker 2: yeah exactly. Yeah, Okay, very good, thanks Tara. So that's

1138
00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:05,653
Speaker 2: House of Guinness. It's on Netflix. Wayward is on Netflix

1139
00:57:05,693 --> 00:57:09,013
Speaker 2: as well. That Usha's second pick, and I thought the

1140
00:57:09,053 --> 00:57:11,733
Speaker 2: Lawa is the one with Sheridan Smith. That's on TVNZED

1141
00:57:11,813 --> 00:57:14,853
Speaker 2: one and TV and Z Plus from tomorrow. All of

1142
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:17,573
Speaker 2: the details for those shows will be up on our

1143
00:57:17,613 --> 00:57:19,933
Speaker 2: show page which is at Newstalks, SDB, dot co dot

1144
00:57:20,013 --> 00:57:22,893
Speaker 2: NZ forward slash Jack. In a few minutes, we're going

1145
00:57:22,933 --> 00:57:26,493
Speaker 2: to catch up with a texpert on Newstalk ZEDB. It

1146
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:29,533
Speaker 2: is a crunch time for TikTok. You know how TikTok

1147
00:57:29,573 --> 00:57:31,573
Speaker 2: and the US government have been going back and forth

1148
00:57:31,613 --> 00:57:34,173
Speaker 2: and back and forth and back and forth for ages. Now,

1149
00:57:34,213 --> 00:57:38,293
Speaker 2: with Trump saying that TikTok under its current ownership structure

1150
00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:41,013
Speaker 2: would not be allowed to continue operating in the US,

1151
00:57:41,413 --> 00:57:44,293
Speaker 2: it looks like they have finally reached a conclusion a

1152
00:57:44,373 --> 00:57:47,893
Speaker 2: partial sale. So our Textbert has all of the details

1153
00:57:47,933 --> 00:57:49,653
Speaker 2: and will fill us in very shortly. I'll give you

1154
00:57:49,693 --> 00:57:53,213
Speaker 2: a hint. Involves many, many billions of dollars. Surprise, surprise.

1155
00:57:53,453 --> 00:57:56,053
Speaker 2: It's almost ten thirty Give with Jack tam on Newstorks ZEDB.

1156
00:58:00,133 --> 00:58:04,053
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

1157
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:05,573
Speaker 1: on Newstalks EDB.

1158
00:58:07,573 --> 00:58:14,333
Speaker 20: Ever can make you, make you right, make you.

1159
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,893
Speaker 2: We belong together like the sun in the summer, palm founting.

1160
00:58:19,533 --> 00:58:24,533
Speaker 14: The Lemone shipping the home Alm.

1161
00:58:24,573 --> 00:58:28,133
Speaker 2: I'm just lot totally sure about that, as we belong

1162
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:32,733
Speaker 2: together and Mariah Carey, I mean, just an amazing voice.

1163
00:58:33,013 --> 00:58:38,133
Speaker 2: The amazing voice, doesn't it. She is a powerhouse, no

1164
00:58:38,293 --> 00:58:42,173
Speaker 2: denying her legendary divas status. From the nineties right through

1165
00:58:42,213 --> 00:58:47,333
Speaker 2: to Christmas, she has shaped our contemporary musical landscape and

1166
00:58:47,413 --> 00:58:51,413
Speaker 2: she ain't stopping. Mariah has just dropped a brand new album.

1167
00:58:51,453 --> 00:58:54,093
Speaker 2: The album is called Here For It All. Chris Schultz

1168
00:58:54,173 --> 00:58:56,093
Speaker 2: is going to be in studio before midday today to

1169
00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:58,853
Speaker 2: give us his thoughts on that. Plus he will give

1170
00:58:58,893 --> 00:59:02,133
Speaker 2: us his views on Mariah deciding to skip New Zealand

1171
00:59:02,213 --> 00:59:04,973
Speaker 2: on her world tour, which i know is devastating for

1172
00:59:05,013 --> 00:59:06,853
Speaker 2: all the Mariah Carrey fans out there. But I'm going

1173
00:59:06,893 --> 00:59:08,653
Speaker 2: to make sure we save a little bit of time

1174
00:59:08,693 --> 00:59:10,933
Speaker 2: so we can play you a couple of songs from

1175
00:59:10,973 --> 00:59:13,053
Speaker 2: her new album. Here for It All is the name

1176
00:59:13,093 --> 00:59:16,053
Speaker 2: of that album. Before eleven o'clock, though we are in

1177
00:59:16,173 --> 00:59:18,493
Speaker 2: the garden. Well not quite, because our man who should

1178
00:59:18,493 --> 00:59:20,573
Speaker 2: be in the garden is actually in the studio this morning.

1179
00:59:20,653 --> 00:59:22,573
Speaker 2: He'll be with us very shortly. Next up, though, our

1180
00:59:22,653 --> 00:59:27,333
Speaker 2: texpert with all the details on the impending US government

1181
00:59:27,413 --> 00:59:31,293
Speaker 2: deal with TikTok. Right now, it's twenty seven to eleven.

1182
00:59:32,253 --> 00:59:36,653
Speaker 1: Hard Talk Bold takes big stories. It's the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

1183
00:59:36,773 --> 00:59:38,453
Speaker 21: I mean, apart from the Greens, it seems we're all

1184
00:59:38,453 --> 00:59:41,053
Speaker 21: celebrating the Fonterra result that profit a bit over a

1185
00:59:41,053 --> 00:59:43,373
Speaker 21: billion dollars sixteen billion in cash returns to the farms.

1186
00:59:43,373 --> 00:59:45,493
Speaker 21: Peed McBride as the chairman of Fonterra and as well

1187
00:59:45,493 --> 00:59:47,493
Speaker 21: as Wayne Lange for the Fed Farmer says this is

1188
00:59:47,533 --> 00:59:48,253
Speaker 21: the new normal.

1189
00:59:48,373 --> 00:59:50,173
Speaker 4: Is he bullish or right? Well?

1190
00:59:50,213 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 8: Both?

1191
00:59:50,813 --> 00:59:53,173
Speaker 9: Well, I guess he's not the most tag of farmers anyway.

1192
00:59:53,373 --> 00:59:53,813
Speaker 4: I guess so.

1193
00:59:53,933 --> 00:59:56,253
Speaker 21: But I mean, it just keeps on keeping on at

1194
00:59:56,253 --> 00:59:58,733
Speaker 21: ten plus, not only out of this last season, but

1195
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:00,293
Speaker 21: forecast for this next season.

1196
01:00:00,333 --> 01:00:02,053
Speaker 4: When does it end, and if it does end.

1197
01:00:01,893 --> 01:00:03,853
Speaker 9: How well, we don't know when it ends. I guess

1198
01:00:03,853 --> 01:00:06,653
Speaker 9: it's a function of global support and demand. We're doing

1199
01:00:06,773 --> 01:00:09,373
Speaker 9: our best to maintain these sort of levels.

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01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:12,613
Speaker 21: Back Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

1201
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:14,693
Speaker 21: a Vida News Talk Z'B.

1202
01:00:16,173 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 2: Twenty five to eleven on News Talk Z'DB. I said,

1203
01:00:18,693 --> 01:00:20,533
Speaker 2: our man in the garden is actually our man in

1204
01:00:20,573 --> 01:00:22,653
Speaker 2: the studio. This morning, I can report that Roude climb

1205
01:00:22,693 --> 01:00:24,333
Speaker 2: Pass has just turned up in the office with a

1206
01:00:24,373 --> 01:00:28,453
Speaker 2: red back spider. I haven't gone through all of the

1207
01:00:28,493 --> 01:00:30,773
Speaker 2: details and the NZ and ME health and safety policy,

1208
01:00:30,773 --> 01:00:33,373
Speaker 2: but I feel like I feel like there's one that

1209
01:00:33,453 --> 01:00:35,933
Speaker 2: might have slipped through the gaps. When the lawyers were

1210
01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:38,373
Speaker 2: imagining all of the things that might happen in a

1211
01:00:38,413 --> 01:00:42,613
Speaker 2: modern broadcasting office might happen in a modern radio studio,

1212
01:00:42,653 --> 01:00:46,053
Speaker 2: they probably weren't picking that venomous spiders would be brought in.

1213
01:00:46,133 --> 01:00:48,733
Speaker 2: But never mind. We needn't tell the world. Road's going

1214
01:00:48,773 --> 01:00:50,533
Speaker 2: to be with us very shortly. Right now, though it

1215
01:00:50,613 --> 01:00:53,093
Speaker 2: is twenty four minutes to eleven, our textbot Paul sten

1216
01:00:53,173 --> 01:00:55,853
Speaker 2: houses here and Paul, we are learning more about how

1217
01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:58,653
Speaker 2: the tick Top deal is going to look and just

1218
01:00:58,733 --> 01:01:00,253
Speaker 2: how much money is going to be going back to

1219
01:01:00,293 --> 01:01:02,373
Speaker 2: China once the US government signs this thing off.

1220
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they are.

1221
01:01:03,733 --> 01:01:06,053
Speaker 7: They are doing too bad, to be honest, Jack.

1222
01:01:06,173 --> 01:01:11,493
Speaker 18: The estimates are that about fifty percent of the profits

1223
01:01:11,533 --> 01:01:13,773
Speaker 18: of this new entity will be making their way back

1224
01:01:13,813 --> 01:01:18,373
Speaker 18: to China through various different means, which I guess isn't

1225
01:01:18,613 --> 01:01:19,013
Speaker 18: I mean.

1226
01:01:18,853 --> 01:01:20,573
Speaker 5: It's not great if you have a Byte Danced.

1227
01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:23,253
Speaker 18: But at the same time, if your other option was

1228
01:01:23,333 --> 01:01:25,693
Speaker 18: well not being able to operate in the United States, then.

1229
01:01:25,613 --> 01:01:27,933
Speaker 7: I guess that's not terrible.

1230
01:01:28,053 --> 01:01:29,413
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it's going to be like, you know,

1231
01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:33,013
Speaker 18: into the single digit billions every year, going back to

1232
01:01:33,053 --> 01:01:36,053
Speaker 18: Byite Dance. But it's interesting that this isn't just an

1233
01:01:36,053 --> 01:01:41,253
Speaker 18: ownership play. And US Vice president Jadi Vance put a

1234
01:01:41,293 --> 01:01:42,773
Speaker 18: price tag on the sale this week.

1235
01:01:42,813 --> 01:01:44,613
Speaker 5: He said it fourteen billion.

1236
01:01:44,373 --> 01:01:47,893
Speaker 18: Dollars, which was really low compared to the thirty five

1237
01:01:48,013 --> 01:01:50,213
Speaker 18: to forty billion dollars at the end that the analysts

1238
01:01:50,213 --> 01:01:53,053
Speaker 18: were expecting. And the reason for that is this kind

1239
01:01:53,053 --> 01:01:56,693
Speaker 18: of bizarre setup I've got because not only will they

1240
01:01:56,733 --> 01:01:59,133
Speaker 18: be owners, and they'll be less than twenty percent owners,

1241
01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:02,093
Speaker 18: so it works within the law, but they're also going

1242
01:02:02,133 --> 01:02:04,693
Speaker 18: to be getting a licensing fee for their algorithm, so

1243
01:02:04,733 --> 01:02:08,093
Speaker 18: they'll get that just cash in hand effectively. And then

1244
01:02:08,133 --> 01:02:11,013
Speaker 18: they're also going to be getting profit sharing, right, so

1245
01:02:11,373 --> 01:02:15,053
Speaker 18: a unique arrangement, but they're kind of getting value I guess,

1246
01:02:15,093 --> 01:02:18,013
Speaker 18: in three ways, which isn't too bad. And on the

1247
01:02:18,133 --> 01:02:21,853
Speaker 18: U S side of this deal, some names you've probably

1248
01:02:21,893 --> 01:02:26,013
Speaker 18: heard of, first of all, Oracle with Larry Allison he's

1249
01:02:26,213 --> 01:02:29,733
Speaker 18: his company, Oracle is currently already hosting US the TikTok

1250
01:02:29,893 --> 01:02:32,413
Speaker 18: Us data that are going to take on the algorithm

1251
01:02:32,453 --> 01:02:35,453
Speaker 18: as well a couple of other names, Rupert Murdoch of

1252
01:02:35,573 --> 01:02:37,653
Speaker 18: Fox News and News Corp.

1253
01:02:38,333 --> 01:02:42,893
Speaker 2: Fame and Michael Dell of Dell Computers. So they're just

1254
01:02:43,053 --> 01:02:45,533
Speaker 2: a couple. There's a big VC names and things in

1255
01:02:45,573 --> 01:02:46,173
Speaker 2: there as well.

1256
01:02:46,173 --> 01:02:48,973
Speaker 18: But it's really kind of all of the all of

1257
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:52,653
Speaker 18: the big names wanting to get in on the US

1258
01:02:53,173 --> 01:02:53,973
Speaker 18: TikTok deal.

1259
01:02:54,133 --> 01:02:57,173
Speaker 2: Yeah right, no, Stenhouse just yet though, I take it.

1260
01:02:57,693 --> 01:03:02,573
Speaker 11: No, you know, they didn't almost look at almost so

1261
01:03:02,573 --> 01:03:04,333
Speaker 11: do you reckon that other countries are going to like

1262
01:03:04,373 --> 01:03:06,733
Speaker 11: take the US version of it then or they take

1263
01:03:06,813 --> 01:03:08,573
Speaker 11: the current version, the Chinese version.

1264
01:03:09,013 --> 01:03:12,373
Speaker 18: Well, at the moment, there's only one version that they

1265
01:03:12,413 --> 01:03:17,053
Speaker 18: can take, and the version that China will be giving.

1266
01:03:16,773 --> 01:03:18,133
Speaker 14: The rest of the world as well.

1267
01:03:18,173 --> 01:03:21,853
Speaker 18: But it's certainly a question that has been posed in Australia,

1268
01:03:22,613 --> 01:03:25,333
Speaker 18: where one of the Senate is there suggested that if

1269
01:03:25,373 --> 01:03:27,493
Speaker 18: the deal went ahead and there is a US version,

1270
01:03:27,853 --> 01:03:31,373
Speaker 18: Australia probably should be on the US version, right because

1271
01:03:31,373 --> 01:03:33,813
Speaker 18: if the US is wanting to do this, well, if

1272
01:03:33,813 --> 01:03:36,533
Speaker 18: the US is trying to do this for national security reasons,

1273
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:40,373
Speaker 18: and you're an ally friend partner of the United States,

1274
01:03:40,413 --> 01:03:42,333
Speaker 18: you probably want to go to the other one.

1275
01:03:42,533 --> 01:03:46,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, but who's to say they'll let them? How would

1276
01:03:46,133 --> 01:03:46,973
Speaker 5: that even work?

1277
01:03:47,853 --> 01:03:49,933
Speaker 18: It all starts getting into some kind of bizarre gray

1278
01:03:49,973 --> 01:03:50,533
Speaker 18: areas there.

1279
01:03:50,613 --> 01:03:54,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Hey, ad free Facebook and Instagram is being

1280
01:03:54,773 --> 01:03:55,773
Speaker 2: introduced in the UK.

1281
01:03:56,573 --> 01:03:59,773
Speaker 18: Yeah, I kind of would like that. I get a

1282
01:03:59,813 --> 01:04:02,573
Speaker 18: lot of ads on my Instagram. I don't know about you,

1283
01:04:02,613 --> 01:04:04,693
Speaker 18: but I feel like sometimes they double and triple them

1284
01:04:04,773 --> 01:04:05,093
Speaker 18: up on me.

1285
01:04:05,213 --> 01:04:07,533
Speaker 2: But would you pay for it, Paul? Would you pay?

1286
01:04:07,693 --> 01:04:08,053
Speaker 22: Well?

1287
01:04:08,093 --> 01:04:11,013
Speaker 18: Look, hey, Si, here's the thing, right, The saying always

1288
01:04:11,093 --> 01:04:12,933
Speaker 18: is is that if you're not paying for it, you

1289
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Speaker 18: are the product. And interestingly, you've now got a price.

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Speaker 18: So depending on the platform, it's going to be either

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Speaker 18: three pounds or four pounds a month to get an

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Speaker 18: ad free version of Facebook or Instagram.

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Speaker 14: The UK has really been pushing to.

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Speaker 18: Make sure that if you don't want to be the product,

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Speaker 18: there's a way out of it, and that you still

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Speaker 18: get access to these products because they're bit of a

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Speaker 18: utility these days, things like Facebook and Instagram. Right, So

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Speaker 18: if you don't like the terms and conditions. They're really

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Speaker 18: trying to give you another pathway. But here's the number, Jack,

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Speaker 18: It works out to be that you are worth to

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Speaker 18: META based on those UK numbers, sixty five US dollars

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Speaker 18: a year. That's about one hundred and ten New Zealand

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Speaker 18: dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: That's what you're worth to them.

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Speaker 5: You feel good or bad?

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Speaker 2: Why that figures? I mean, it is amazing. Just that's you,

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Speaker 2: that's your data, as you say, but yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: probably about what I would have anticipated. The tricks, of course,

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Speaker 2: when you've got a big newsers worldwide, how you're able

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Speaker 2: to massively massively ramp up that revenue and profits. Thanks

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Speaker 2: so much, Paul. That's our Textbert Paul Standhouse. In a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes, our personal finance expert is here. He's

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Speaker 2: comparing the state of the New Zealand property market with

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Speaker 2: a couple of big crashes throughout history, in fact, the

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Speaker 2: biggest crashes of all time. For anyone who's stressing out.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, we don't quite compare just yet. Twenty one

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Speaker 2: to eleven on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks FB.

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at the numbers, the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand housing market is down about eighteen percent from its

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Speaker 2: absolute COVID peak. It's been a bit of an up

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Speaker 2: and down, hasn't It's been a bit of a roller coaster.

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Speaker 2: It might be bigger in some sense. It's bigger in Auckland,

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Speaker 2: bigger in Wellington. Eighteen percent across the board. Anyway, our

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Speaker 2: personal finance expert every night will have all of the numbers.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure at hand he is comparing New Zealand's property

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Speaker 2: market with the biggest property crashes in world history. This morning,

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Speaker 2: counter ed great to be here, Jack.

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Speaker 12: We all know.

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Speaker 2: About the downturn. It's funny how these things sort of go,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. You know, just a couple of years ago

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Speaker 2: we were talking about the crazy surge in the property market.

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Speaker 2: But just how significant is this downturn?

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Speaker 23: Well, in historical contexts, it's big for New Zealand. This

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Speaker 23: is in fact the largest modern property downturn we've had.

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Speaker 23: Property prices fell about eighteen percent across the whole country

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Speaker 23: more well into the twenty percents for Auckland and Wellington

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Speaker 23: got pretty close to thirty percent down in some areas.

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Speaker 9: But what I want it to do today was talk about, well,

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Speaker 9: how does.

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Speaker 23: That compare to worldwide downturns. And what's interesting is I've

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Speaker 23: got three of the largest property price downturns I've been

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Speaker 23: able to find, and one of the largest ones in

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Speaker 23: modern history was actually over in Ireland and was relatively recent.

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Speaker 23: And what you tend to see with all of the

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Speaker 23: downturns I'll talk about today is the massive property price

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Speaker 23: crashes are preceded by massive property booms. And we know

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Speaker 23: all about that here at New's Heller it with our

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Speaker 23: COVID fueled boom before we saw the eventual drop off.

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Speaker 23: But over at Ireland it was even more extreme. Property

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Speaker 23: prices rose two hundred and seventy percent in just ten

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Speaker 23: years before the GFC came along, and then property prices

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Speaker 23: fell fifty six percent. Now that's like saying, imagine owning

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Speaker 23: a five hundred thousand dollars house and then all of

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Speaker 23: a sudden it's worth about two hundred and twenty K

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Speaker 23: and you have lost two hundred and eighty grand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is I mean, that is absolutely massive. And

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Speaker 2: I suppose you know there there are if you're thinking

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Speaker 2: about it, strictly in financial terms, there would have been

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Speaker 2: some big winners and some massive losers with that downturn,

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Speaker 2: But that's Ireland. Japan had one as well.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 23: Japan even more insane. So between I'm going to teach

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Speaker 23: you a new word to that, Jack. So, between nineteen

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Speaker 23: sixty and nineteen ninety, property prices in Japan tried good

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Speaker 23: tupuls Now that's fancy word to say. They went up

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Speaker 23: thirty times wa time fire nineteen ninety compared to nineteen

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Speaker 23: ninety six.

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Speaker 9: Here's an interesting fact for you.

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Speaker 23: At the time, it was said that the land underneath

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Speaker 23: the Imperial Palace in Tokyo was worth more than all

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Speaker 23: of the real estate combined in the US state of California.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's obviously absurd.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, insane.

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Speaker 23: And then property prices fell, depending on where you were

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Speaker 23: in Japan, sixty to eighty percent. But here is the

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Speaker 23: really interesting thing. Since property prices have fallen, they have

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Speaker 23: actually not yet recovered. So if you bought a property

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Speaker 23: in nineteen ninety one at the height of the Japanese market,

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Speaker 23: thirty three years later, it could still be twenty three

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Speaker 23: percent down on what you paid for it.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting is that because Japan had a relatively stagnant

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Speaker 2: population because they haven't had the massive population growth the

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Speaker 2: lots of other countries have had.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that in the aging population.

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Speaker 23: And then on top of that, you've also got a

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Speaker 23: really interesting factor in Japan where a lot of it

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Speaker 23: is highly urbanized. So if you look at an individual

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Speaker 23: city like Tokyo, property prices can still be really high

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Speaker 23: and in many cases will have recovered.

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Speaker 9: But if we look at the overall.

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Speaker 23: Situation in Japan, house prices are still down at that

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Speaker 23: national level. So sometimes, just like we have to in

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Speaker 23: New Zealand, you can split out the cities from the

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Speaker 23: country as a whole.

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Speaker 9: And actually, in our case, the.

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Speaker 23: Cities have performed worse compared to cheaper areas in the

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Speaker 23: country at large. But the largest property downtown is an

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Speaker 23: interesting one. And I had to go way back in

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Speaker 23: time to the thirteen hundreds, and it's the Black Death

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01:09:56,173 --> 01:09:59,933
Speaker 23: because the plague. The plague killed about half of Europe's population.

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Speaker 4: That'll do it.

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Speaker 2: That'll do it.

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Speaker 5: You're laughing at that.

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01:10:03,333 --> 01:10:07,133
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not laughing at the plague, you know, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it's probably the least of your concerns,

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01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:11,693
Speaker 2: isn't it. If your portfolio is taking a bit of

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01:10:11,693 --> 01:10:14,573
Speaker 2: a blood and half the population has been wiped out.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well that'll do it, won't it.

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Speaker 23: It did, and property prices fellon estimated seventy to eighty percent.

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Speaker 23: Now it's say estimated because back then they were more

1413
01:10:25,053 --> 01:10:29,213
Speaker 23: interested in staying alive compared to keeping good property priced

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Speaker 23: data records for.

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Speaker 9: Economus seven hundred years later.

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Speaker 23: But those are the three largest property downturns I could find,

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Speaker 23: and if anything, hopefully that gives some comfort to New

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Speaker 23: Zealanders when they say, do you know what? Our downturn

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01:10:41,973 --> 01:10:45,693
Speaker 23: was severe in terms of property price and property price

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Speaker 23: history we've had in New Zealand, But it's quite small

1421
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Speaker 23: compared to some of the largest ones we've seen around

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Speaker 23: the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay here, So are there any lessons apart

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Speaker 2: from avoiding another black death that we can take from this?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 23: I think the big thing is that the signs that

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01:11:01,693 --> 01:11:05,533
Speaker 23: a property market could get too bubbly is rapid price increases,

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Speaker 23: easy lending, and building booms. Those are the three big

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Speaker 23: things we saw in Ireland and they're probably the most

1430
01:11:12,613 --> 01:11:16,133
Speaker 23: similar to us over here in New Zealand. Easy lending,

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01:11:16,133 --> 01:11:18,893
Speaker 23: building booms and then rapid house price rises. We can

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Speaker 23: see a lot of that in New Zealand's experience. In

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01:11:21,813 --> 01:11:24,493
Speaker 23: twenty twenty twenty twenty one, property prices were up in

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Speaker 23: some cases well over forty percent. We had a lot

1435
01:11:27,653 --> 01:11:30,813
Speaker 23: of boo building, and that building takes a while for

1436
01:11:30,853 --> 01:11:33,693
Speaker 23: the houses to actually come onto the market, So sometimes

1437
01:11:33,893 --> 01:11:38,653
Speaker 23: developers will start knocking them up during rapid price rises,

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01:11:38,933 --> 01:11:42,173
Speaker 23: and then once they finally built, the market's going the

1439
01:11:42,213 --> 01:11:44,293
Speaker 23: other way and you've got the sextra supply coming on,

1440
01:11:44,613 --> 01:11:46,853
Speaker 23: and then the lending tat getting turned off. And it's

1441
01:11:46,893 --> 01:11:49,893
Speaker 23: really interesting that house prices in New Zealand started falling

1442
01:11:50,333 --> 01:11:53,373
Speaker 23: the month that the Triple CFA, which was a tough

1443
01:11:53,453 --> 01:11:55,733
Speaker 23: lending rule that got passed back in twenty twenty one.

1444
01:11:55,933 --> 01:11:58,333
Speaker 23: It was the same month that law came in, the

1445
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Speaker 23: lending tap got turned off, and our property price downturn started.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much, Ed, really appreciate it. As always

1447
01:12:05,093 --> 01:12:09,253
Speaker 2: Ed McKnight check. It is, of course from Opie's Partners,

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01:12:09,533 --> 01:12:12,333
Speaker 2: our personal finance expert with us this morning. Hey, after

1449
01:12:12,333 --> 01:12:14,893
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock, Dan Brown's got a brand new book. It's

1450
01:12:14,893 --> 01:12:17,493
Speaker 2: been a while actually since Dan Brown has released anything.

1451
01:12:17,773 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 2: Look I'm not gonna say that Dan Brown divides people,

1452
01:12:21,333 --> 01:12:23,973
Speaker 2: because Dan Brown. If there's anyone on this earth who

1453
01:12:23,973 --> 01:12:26,813
Speaker 2: knows how to sell a book, it is Dan Brown.

1454
01:12:27,973 --> 01:12:30,453
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're gonna tell you a little a little

1455
01:12:30,453 --> 01:12:34,293
Speaker 2: bit about his brand new publication after eleven o'clock this morning.

1456
01:12:34,333 --> 01:12:36,613
Speaker 2: Next up, the Rude climb passed our man with the

1457
01:12:36,653 --> 01:12:40,773
Speaker 2: red back spider in the office with us this morning.

1458
01:12:40,813 --> 01:12:42,733
Speaker 2: We'll explain why. I think it's one of those days.

1459
01:12:42,733 --> 01:12:44,413
Speaker 2: As much as Rude likes to bring a wetter or

1460
01:12:44,493 --> 01:12:46,253
Speaker 2: something like that and eat your holder, I reckon, I'm

1461
01:12:46,253 --> 01:12:48,733
Speaker 2: going to politely decline holding the red back this morning.

1462
01:12:48,773 --> 01:12:50,813
Speaker 2: But he's been in a few minutes. Right now, it's

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01:12:50,853 --> 01:12:51,413
Speaker 2: ten to eleven.

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01:12:52,693 --> 01:12:56,133
Speaker 1: Gardling with still shops battery system kits, get a second

1465
01:12:56,173 --> 01:12:57,173
Speaker 1: battery half price.

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01:12:57,573 --> 01:12:59,853
Speaker 2: Rude Climb past is not in the garden because he's

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01:12:59,893 --> 01:13:01,293
Speaker 2: in our studio with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, it's so lovely to be here.

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01:13:03,333 --> 01:13:05,333
Speaker 2: Hey, you've brought a friend this morning.

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Speaker 24: Well, I decided to do something different. I mean, you've

1471
01:13:07,373 --> 01:13:09,173
Speaker 24: seen all these weather and things like that. I thought

1472
01:13:09,253 --> 01:13:12,573
Speaker 24: I talked with the teachers about red back spiders and

1473
01:13:12,613 --> 01:13:14,173
Speaker 24: where they came from, and how they got here.

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01:13:14,253 --> 01:13:16,013
Speaker 2: So, just to be totally clear, over the last week

1475
01:13:16,093 --> 01:13:17,693
Speaker 2: or so, you've been guiding teachers.

1476
01:13:17,773 --> 01:13:19,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a numbers of different ways.

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01:13:19,533 --> 01:13:22,293
Speaker 24: First of all, I had a whole week in in

1478
01:13:22,653 --> 01:13:24,333
Speaker 24: what do you call it, Maude Island, which is on

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01:13:24,413 --> 01:13:27,373
Speaker 24: the in the what do you call the marbles Marbles sounds,

1480
01:13:27,413 --> 01:13:30,173
Speaker 24: you got it. Yeah, And we took kids there with

1481
01:13:30,253 --> 01:13:32,933
Speaker 24: their with their teachers once a day and we did

1482
01:13:32,973 --> 01:13:35,173
Speaker 24: all sorts of work on that island and found all

1483
01:13:35,173 --> 01:13:38,693
Speaker 24: these amazing native stuff, hermit crabs and all that nonsense,

1484
01:13:38,733 --> 01:13:41,253
Speaker 24: and it was great. Gave wet penguins you name it,

1485
01:13:41,413 --> 01:13:42,253
Speaker 24: Hamilton's frog.

1486
01:13:42,413 --> 01:13:44,733
Speaker 2: Penguin's there. Yeah, God, they're bringing.

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01:13:44,453 --> 01:13:48,773
Speaker 24: They're starting now. They're coming to the boxes, going you

1488
01:13:48,773 --> 01:13:50,173
Speaker 24: can't even sleep with the noise.

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01:13:50,493 --> 01:13:51,773
Speaker 2: It sounds like things at my place.

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01:13:51,893 --> 01:13:53,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a bit like that. So that

1491
01:13:53,853 --> 01:13:55,813
Speaker 3: was that. So that was actually a wonderful thing. That's

1492
01:13:55,853 --> 01:13:57,653
Speaker 3: what Doc does. They give us.

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01:13:58,053 --> 01:13:59,733
Speaker 24: You know, basically with the boat, you go there for

1494
01:13:59,773 --> 01:14:01,733
Speaker 24: a whole week and you muck around with these kits

1495
01:14:02,013 --> 01:14:04,813
Speaker 24: one after the other, and they all come back with

1496
01:14:04,853 --> 01:14:07,813
Speaker 24: the idea that they know what to do. Can we

1497
01:14:07,893 --> 01:14:10,373
Speaker 24: have penguins at our school? Can we do this?

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01:14:10,453 --> 01:14:10,613
Speaker 8: Can?

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01:14:10,773 --> 01:14:13,573
Speaker 3: And that's how you education study? Now that works.

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Speaker 24: So that was that week. Now I've just finished a

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Speaker 24: week with fil not field based then, but Blake inspired

1502
01:14:19,573 --> 01:14:20,213
Speaker 24: Sir Peter Blake.

1503
01:14:20,213 --> 01:14:22,253
Speaker 3: Trust you know Sir Peter Blake.

1504
01:14:22,293 --> 01:14:25,253
Speaker 24: The day before he died, he gave the most amazing

1505
01:14:25,653 --> 01:14:27,773
Speaker 24: I should send it to you. He wrote in his

1506
01:14:27,813 --> 01:14:29,973
Speaker 24: diary about you know what we need to do, and

1507
01:14:30,013 --> 01:14:33,453
Speaker 24: he got shot the next day. And we've decided to

1508
01:14:33,493 --> 01:14:37,213
Speaker 24: do this this no not feel bad Blake inspired thing

1509
01:14:38,013 --> 01:14:42,133
Speaker 24: every school holidays. So we got thirty teachers coming to

1510
01:14:42,213 --> 01:14:46,333
Speaker 24: us in hotel. They've got a wonderful hotel there. They

1511
01:14:46,373 --> 01:14:49,093
Speaker 24: don't realize that they only get six hours sleep a day.

1512
01:14:49,213 --> 01:14:51,973
Speaker 3: But that's that's all right. Go to Tafer and New

1513
01:14:52,013 --> 01:14:55,893
Speaker 3: We go to all sorts of places and we find

1514
01:14:55,973 --> 01:14:57,573
Speaker 3: ken we sleeping at night?

1515
01:14:57,933 --> 01:15:01,173
Speaker 2: Can you imagine that they got should shouldn't? Can we

1516
01:15:01,213 --> 01:15:01,893
Speaker 2: be awake at night?

1517
01:15:02,533 --> 01:15:02,613
Speaker 7: No?

1518
01:15:02,693 --> 01:15:03,573
Speaker 3: But this is during the day.

1519
01:15:03,653 --> 01:15:07,133
Speaker 25: Okay, we went during today, So that's yeah, yeah, yeah,

1520
01:15:07,173 --> 01:15:07,733
Speaker 25: you got it.

1521
01:15:07,773 --> 01:15:09,253
Speaker 3: This is exactly what it's about.

1522
01:15:09,373 --> 01:15:10,853
Speaker 2: I thought there was a trick question there for a

1523
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:14,413
Speaker 2: moment road, but I.

1524
01:15:14,533 --> 01:15:16,933
Speaker 24: Used to Actually I studied Kiwis in the ninety eighty.

1525
01:15:17,093 --> 01:15:18,733
Speaker 24: That's a long time ago, but I'm not going to

1526
01:15:18,733 --> 01:15:21,373
Speaker 24: go there. So basically, what we're trying to do there

1527
01:15:21,453 --> 01:15:26,533
Speaker 24: is to create nature literate teachers who understand the operations

1528
01:15:26,573 --> 01:15:29,653
Speaker 24: manual of the planet. I've used those words quite a

1529
01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:32,973
Speaker 24: long time, but it's really what this is about. And

1530
01:15:33,013 --> 01:15:35,893
Speaker 24: they now are taking that knowledge back to this school

1531
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:40,333
Speaker 24: and starting all sorts of projects, and that is what

1532
01:15:40,373 --> 01:15:40,973
Speaker 24: this is about.

1533
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:43,533
Speaker 2: It's just wonder that must be so nice it is

1534
01:15:43,813 --> 01:15:46,333
Speaker 2: to be teaching the teachers like that and knowing that,

1535
01:15:46,613 --> 01:15:49,893
Speaker 2: you know, by teaching thirty people, you're actually potentially teaching

1536
01:15:50,413 --> 01:15:53,093
Speaker 2: you know, three thousand people. You know that that is

1537
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:55,013
Speaker 2: pretty amazing. Tell us about the read back then.

1538
01:15:54,973 --> 01:15:57,933
Speaker 24: Well, the red bag basically you got a name. Well no,

1539
01:15:58,173 --> 01:16:00,053
Speaker 24: I just called it the red back. I got it

1540
01:16:00,053 --> 01:16:02,573
Speaker 24: only about a year ago when it finally came out

1541
01:16:02,573 --> 01:16:05,173
Speaker 24: of the egg. This is a creature that came from

1542
01:16:05,253 --> 01:16:09,813
Speaker 24: Central Otago, where quite often find them there. We now know,

1543
01:16:10,493 --> 01:16:13,093
Speaker 24: or think we know that the way they got into

1544
01:16:13,093 --> 01:16:15,413
Speaker 24: New Zealand is probably with the Chinese people that did

1545
01:16:15,453 --> 01:16:18,813
Speaker 24: the work on the mines in Cinelotage.

1546
01:16:18,933 --> 01:16:21,293
Speaker 25: Yeah, they came from Australia. Yeah, okay, and with their

1547
01:16:21,333 --> 01:16:25,213
Speaker 25: gear in the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, they took they were

1548
01:16:25,333 --> 01:16:27,413
Speaker 25: quite sure we took. They took those things with them

1549
01:16:27,573 --> 01:16:31,373
Speaker 25: by accident. And of course these guys are very closely

1550
01:16:31,453 --> 01:16:34,173
Speaker 25: related if you look at them, very closely.

1551
01:16:33,813 --> 01:16:35,973
Speaker 3: Related to our cutty postpiler as well.

1552
01:16:36,213 --> 01:16:39,533
Speaker 24: Right, and it's interesting to actually see how they differ.

1553
01:16:39,693 --> 01:16:41,653
Speaker 24: And they don't differ that much at all.

1554
01:16:41,733 --> 01:16:46,893
Speaker 2: So would kill you? Uh no, he says, with an

1555
01:16:46,973 --> 01:16:51,973
Speaker 2: upward infliction. The ins in me, lawyer, sweet and cold bullets.

1556
01:16:51,973 --> 01:16:54,773
Speaker 3: Oh you know what you I've taken stuff and here that.

1557
01:16:56,373 --> 01:16:58,213
Speaker 24: Yeah, I've been bitten three times by a wet back,

1558
01:16:58,253 --> 01:17:00,373
Speaker 24: but that was all that was by accident kind of

1559
01:17:00,413 --> 01:17:02,093
Speaker 24: because I usually put them on my hand and show

1560
01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:03,413
Speaker 24: people you don't be worried.

1561
01:17:03,573 --> 01:17:04,693
Speaker 3: Do you bite the ground here?

1562
01:17:04,733 --> 01:17:05,213
Speaker 1: Walk off?

1563
01:17:06,013 --> 01:17:06,533
Speaker 2: No?

1564
01:17:06,533 --> 01:17:07,493
Speaker 3: No, there you go.

1565
01:17:07,693 --> 01:17:09,933
Speaker 2: No. So yeah, but I mean actually do this. No,

1566
01:17:10,013 --> 01:17:12,373
Speaker 2: I think we'll I think we're leave that three so

1567
01:17:12,453 --> 01:17:14,853
Speaker 2: three times. Yeah, you're a quick learner, root.

1568
01:17:15,013 --> 01:17:18,213
Speaker 3: No, not the first flight on the tour it yeah,

1569
01:17:18,293 --> 01:17:18,573
Speaker 3: you know.

1570
01:17:19,613 --> 01:17:21,773
Speaker 2: It's amazing, thank you, It is beautiful.

1571
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:24,693
Speaker 3: It is gorgeous, and well, well we'll work with it.

1572
01:17:24,853 --> 01:17:27,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you've had such a good week rude

1573
01:17:27,053 --> 01:17:31,693
Speaker 2: climb past, educating the educators and if you radio hosts

1574
01:17:31,733 --> 01:17:33,373
Speaker 2: along the way I used talk to, it'd be it's

1575
01:17:33,453 --> 01:17:35,973
Speaker 2: almost eleven o'clock. It's Saturday morning.

1576
01:17:36,253 --> 01:17:37,093
Speaker 13: I'm Jack Damed.

1577
01:17:37,293 --> 01:17:38,133
Speaker 2: We're back in a few.

1578
01:17:38,013 --> 01:17:49,493
Speaker 1: Minutes Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going

1579
01:17:49,613 --> 01:17:51,213
Speaker 1: through the weekend us talks.

1580
01:17:51,213 --> 01:17:51,493
Speaker 14: It be.

1581
01:18:14,093 --> 01:18:17,813
Speaker 2: More er if you're just joining us today. It is

1582
01:18:18,093 --> 01:18:19,733
Speaker 2: so good to have you with us this morning. I'm

1583
01:18:19,813 --> 01:18:22,133
Speaker 2: Jack Tame with you through a day on news talks.

1584
01:18:22,133 --> 01:18:24,093
Speaker 2: He'd be bit of a funny one, a bit of

1585
01:18:24,093 --> 01:18:27,853
Speaker 2: a funny Saturday for All Backs fans. We're counting down

1586
01:18:27,893 --> 01:18:33,693
Speaker 2: the ours to what could be the most intriguing Bleederslow

1587
01:18:33,853 --> 01:18:35,933
Speaker 2: Clash and quite some time. And I think the All

1588
01:18:35,973 --> 01:18:38,893
Speaker 2: Backs should be comfortable favorites on Eden Park. But nevertheless,

1589
01:18:39,333 --> 01:18:42,213
Speaker 2: this Rugby Championship has felt like a tournament in which

1590
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:44,613
Speaker 2: any team could beat any team on their day, if

1591
01:18:44,653 --> 01:18:47,893
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So the conditions this evening

1592
01:18:48,453 --> 01:18:50,293
Speaker 2: are potentially going to be changeable. As you just heard

1593
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:53,013
Speaker 2: in the news. Could be a little bit damp in Auckland,

1594
01:18:53,053 --> 01:18:55,573
Speaker 2: although for the time being at least the sun is shining,

1595
01:18:55,613 --> 01:18:58,213
Speaker 2: but you got the five pm kickoff factor as well,

1596
01:18:58,413 --> 01:19:00,533
Speaker 2: and then on top of it, Scott Barrett out for

1597
01:19:00,573 --> 01:19:04,173
Speaker 2: this week injured Arlisavia captain. As the All Backs look

1598
01:19:04,253 --> 01:19:08,053
Speaker 2: up to look to back up their worst defeat in

1599
01:19:08,093 --> 01:19:11,333
Speaker 2: the team's history with a dominant performance. I reckon that

1600
01:19:11,453 --> 01:19:14,373
Speaker 2: Artie factor is a big one to watch this evening. Anyway,

1601
01:19:14,573 --> 01:19:16,693
Speaker 2: we're going to be counting down to the match this afternoon.

1602
01:19:16,853 --> 01:19:20,133
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport is coming live this afternoon from the Kingslander

1603
01:19:20,213 --> 01:19:23,733
Speaker 2: in Kingsland, just across the road from Eden Park, so

1604
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:26,893
Speaker 2: the atmosphere will be building nice and early there. But

1605
01:19:26,973 --> 01:19:30,373
Speaker 2: looking forward to catching up with Weekend Sport host Jason Pine.

1606
01:19:30,373 --> 01:19:32,333
Speaker 2: I might ask him about the Ardie Savia fact of

1607
01:19:32,373 --> 01:19:33,693
Speaker 2: this evening as well. So he's going to be with

1608
01:19:33,773 --> 01:19:36,333
Speaker 2: us very soon. Right now though it is eight minutes

1609
01:19:36,373 --> 01:19:42,773
Speaker 2: past eleven on Newstalk ZB Jack Dougal Sutherland is a

1610
01:19:42,773 --> 01:19:45,733
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist from Umbrella Well Being. He's with us this morning,

1611
01:19:45,813 --> 01:19:46,773
Speaker 2: Killer Dougal.

1612
01:19:47,133 --> 01:19:49,173
Speaker 7: Cider Jack, I think you almost called me an umbrella

1613
01:19:49,173 --> 01:19:49,693
Speaker 7: then I know.

1614
01:19:49,693 --> 01:19:51,453
Speaker 2: Well I did. I had a new sting. I had

1615
01:19:51,453 --> 01:19:53,853
Speaker 2: a new Jack Tame Jack, Dame Jack, Tame Jack, tame thing,

1616
01:19:53,973 --> 01:19:56,893
Speaker 2: and it put me off a little bit to be Yeah.

1617
01:19:56,933 --> 01:20:01,653
Speaker 22: Yes, but just to you know, rest your worries. I'm

1618
01:20:01,653 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 22: not an umbrella.

1619
01:20:02,333 --> 01:20:04,373
Speaker 2: I am still okay, that's good. Yeah.

1620
01:20:04,373 --> 01:20:04,493
Speaker 26: One.

1621
01:20:04,813 --> 01:20:07,093
Speaker 2: In fact, if I was considering you umbrella, then I

1622
01:20:07,093 --> 01:20:09,173
Speaker 2: probably need to see more than the clinical.

1623
01:20:11,053 --> 01:20:15,813
Speaker 22: There's an interesting psychological condition where people there's a classic

1624
01:20:15,893 --> 01:20:17,453
Speaker 22: name for that, or a great name for that from

1625
01:20:17,453 --> 01:20:18,573
Speaker 22: an Oliver Sax.

1626
01:20:19,173 --> 01:20:21,133
Speaker 2: The man who thought his wife was a hat or.

1627
01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:22,133
Speaker 7: Something, isn't it that's the one.

1628
01:20:22,213 --> 01:20:22,773
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's it.

1629
01:20:22,893 --> 01:20:26,173
Speaker 22: Yeah, he couldn't recognize people, So you could, you know,

1630
01:20:26,253 --> 01:20:28,453
Speaker 22: conceivably you could recognize me as an umbrella.

1631
01:20:28,533 --> 01:20:32,573
Speaker 2: It would be odd anyway. Hey, you're thinking, you're you're

1632
01:20:32,573 --> 01:20:35,413
Speaker 2: thinking about crime and punishment this morning, or punishment in crime,

1633
01:20:35,453 --> 01:20:36,973
Speaker 2: and we're a punishment fit the crime.

1634
01:20:37,533 --> 01:20:40,853
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. New research from the US which which

1635
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:45,013
Speaker 22: I found quite intriguing. Really, it's called it's a it's

1636
01:20:45,053 --> 01:20:50,573
Speaker 22: a new passway for for looking at sentences for crimes,

1637
01:20:50,573 --> 01:20:53,533
Speaker 22: at least for minor crimes called creative punishments, and it

1638
01:20:53,573 --> 01:20:57,453
Speaker 22: tries to get that balance right between teaching people a

1639
01:20:57,533 --> 01:20:59,333
Speaker 22: lesson with the idea that they won't do it again

1640
01:20:59,413 --> 01:21:02,973
Speaker 22: and not being so kind of overly harsh, that it

1641
01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:07,013
Speaker 22: seems punitive and its punishment. Yeah, and it was most

1642
01:21:07,133 --> 01:21:10,373
Speaker 22: popular in a US judge. I think, who does quite

1643
01:21:10,373 --> 01:21:13,533
Speaker 22: a lot of these who a guy took a taxi

1644
01:21:13,853 --> 01:21:16,893
Speaker 22: rider and failed to pay his fear, and so they

1645
01:21:16,893 --> 01:21:18,453
Speaker 22: took him to court and they made him pay us fair.

1646
01:21:18,493 --> 01:21:20,613
Speaker 22: But then the judge also sentenced him to walk the

1647
01:21:20,613 --> 01:21:23,573
Speaker 22: same distance as the taxi ride, just to just to

1648
01:21:23,613 --> 01:21:26,293
Speaker 22: emphasize what a pain it was for the poor taxi driver.

1649
01:21:27,173 --> 01:21:29,653
Speaker 22: So it's kind of it's really trying to fit that

1650
01:21:30,093 --> 01:21:35,333
Speaker 22: punishment creatively to the crime to help people learn, learn

1651
01:21:35,373 --> 01:21:36,693
Speaker 22: and hopefully not to do it again.

1652
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:40,173
Speaker 2: It's a really American thing, a judges coming up with

1653
01:21:40,213 --> 01:21:43,013
Speaker 2: super creative things. I feel like, like Judge Judy or

1654
01:21:43,053 --> 01:21:44,693
Speaker 2: something like that would be doing. I know that she

1655
01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:46,533
Speaker 2: does the kind of civil things, but you know what

1656
01:21:46,533 --> 01:21:49,053
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's a real you know, you always

1657
01:21:49,053 --> 01:21:52,053
Speaker 2: read the stories about a Texas judge who's you know,

1658
01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:55,573
Speaker 2: said that someone has to wear a sign around their

1659
01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:58,693
Speaker 2: neck and stand on a busy intersection or something like that.

1660
01:21:58,733 --> 01:22:01,253
Speaker 2: You know, all those crazy kind of crimes.

1661
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:04,053
Speaker 7: It's another I mean, I think you're right. It is

1662
01:22:04,093 --> 01:22:05,493
Speaker 7: a bit of a US thing, but I think we

1663
01:22:05,493 --> 01:22:08,093
Speaker 7: could learn from it. I mean, there's there's another couple

1664
01:22:08,093 --> 01:22:10,293
Speaker 7: of examples that I like. One a woman who.

1665
01:22:10,253 --> 01:22:14,133
Speaker 22: Threw a food at a fast food outlet employee, and

1666
01:22:14,173 --> 01:22:16,093
Speaker 22: you know you often see those sort of little clips

1667
01:22:16,093 --> 01:22:18,693
Speaker 22: somebody chucks all the food back through the through the

1668
01:22:18,773 --> 01:22:21,773
Speaker 22: drive through window. Well, she was sentenced to having to

1669
01:22:21,813 --> 01:22:24,573
Speaker 22: work sixty days in the fast food restaurant for no pay,

1670
01:22:25,413 --> 01:22:28,813
Speaker 22: just to experience it out of herself. Or an easy one.

1671
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:32,053
Speaker 22: Somebody group vandalizing a public statue had to then clean

1672
01:22:32,133 --> 01:22:34,213
Speaker 22: the statue, which which you know, there's a there's a

1673
01:22:34,253 --> 01:22:38,173
Speaker 22: real kind of natural consequence. Even in workplaces, they've used it.

1674
01:22:38,333 --> 01:22:42,613
Speaker 22: Somebody who abused not not physically but verbally sort of

1675
01:22:43,133 --> 01:22:45,813
Speaker 22: abused one of their workmates. Rather than sort of getting

1676
01:22:46,453 --> 01:22:49,013
Speaker 22: some sort of final warning or getting dismissed, they had

1677
01:22:49,013 --> 01:22:51,453
Speaker 22: to go and work in a part of the part

1678
01:22:51,493 --> 01:22:54,373
Speaker 22: of the business which was involved in customer services where

1679
01:22:54,413 --> 01:22:56,933
Speaker 22: they have to receive a lot of complaints and verbal

1680
01:22:56,973 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 22: abuse from the public. So there's this I kind of

1681
01:23:00,293 --> 01:23:02,533
Speaker 22: like that matching of it, that sense that actually this

1682
01:23:02,653 --> 01:23:05,653
Speaker 22: is proportionate to the crime and might help you learn

1683
01:23:05,693 --> 01:23:05,973
Speaker 22: from it.

1684
01:23:06,413 --> 01:23:09,373
Speaker 2: What are the kind of key features of what could

1685
01:23:09,373 --> 01:23:12,573
Speaker 2: be deemed a creative punishment. Then, yeah, so that.

1686
01:23:12,493 --> 01:23:15,733
Speaker 22: There are three kind of key features verstically that the

1687
01:23:15,773 --> 01:23:19,133
Speaker 22: punishment has to be related to the harm caused, and

1688
01:23:19,173 --> 01:23:21,493
Speaker 22: that's different. You know, when we send people to prison,

1689
01:23:22,133 --> 01:23:24,613
Speaker 22: by and large, they're not going to prison because they

1690
01:23:24,653 --> 01:23:29,213
Speaker 22: have imprisoned somebody themselves largely, so that so prison or whatever,

1691
01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:32,013
Speaker 22: even a fine is usually completely unrelated. But these are

1692
01:23:32,013 --> 01:23:35,533
Speaker 22: specifically or these are related to the crime. So you know,

1693
01:23:35,733 --> 01:23:38,453
Speaker 22: an easy example, you've graffited a statue, so you clean

1694
01:23:38,533 --> 01:23:42,573
Speaker 22: the statue and it is specifically matched to the crime.

1695
01:23:42,653 --> 01:23:45,453
Speaker 22: So it's not like, you know, okay, for this sort

1696
01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:47,253
Speaker 22: of crime, you either get three months in prison or

1697
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:49,693
Speaker 22: a ten thousand dollars fine, which is just a blanket.

1698
01:23:49,693 --> 01:23:49,853
Speaker 20: One.

1699
01:23:49,893 --> 01:23:53,013
Speaker 22: These are specifically matched, and it does have the goal

1700
01:23:53,253 --> 01:23:58,013
Speaker 22: about helping people understand the errors of their ways, so

1701
01:23:58,093 --> 01:24:00,693
Speaker 22: to speak, with the idea that they won't do it again,

1702
01:24:00,733 --> 01:24:03,493
Speaker 22: which is ultimately, I guess, or part of at least

1703
01:24:03,493 --> 01:24:05,213
Speaker 22: why we have punishment. It's not the whole reason, but

1704
01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:07,493
Speaker 22: part of why we have a punished so we don't

1705
01:24:07,493 --> 01:24:09,493
Speaker 22: want people to do the same thing again. So it's

1706
01:24:09,533 --> 01:24:13,093
Speaker 22: those three criteria related to the harm, specifically matched and

1707
01:24:13,293 --> 01:24:14,893
Speaker 22: understanding why the behavior was wrong.

1708
01:24:15,053 --> 01:24:16,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can see how so to take that

1709
01:24:17,013 --> 01:24:19,693
Speaker 2: fast food to put the woman who threw food back

1710
01:24:19,693 --> 01:24:21,933
Speaker 2: through the window and the fast food outlet and there

1711
01:24:22,013 --> 01:24:25,293
Speaker 2: was sentenced to work there for sixty days. I mean, yep,

1712
01:24:25,373 --> 01:24:27,813
Speaker 2: it's matched to the crime. So it's a fast food

1713
01:24:27,853 --> 01:24:31,813
Speaker 2: and fast food and the punishment involved doing something related

1714
01:24:31,813 --> 01:24:34,293
Speaker 2: to the harm caused, yep. And then that final one,

1715
01:24:34,333 --> 01:24:36,493
Speaker 2: it actually would helped her to understand have a bit

1716
01:24:36,493 --> 01:24:39,693
Speaker 2: more empathy for someone earning nine dollars fifteen hour working

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01:24:39,733 --> 01:24:42,613
Speaker 2: at a fast food restaurant, like, how can we make

1718
01:24:42,613 --> 01:24:44,253
Speaker 2: your day worse while we can someone's going to throw

1719
01:24:44,253 --> 01:24:45,093
Speaker 2: a burger back in your face?

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01:24:45,133 --> 01:24:47,733
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that. I mean,

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01:24:47,773 --> 01:24:48,453
Speaker 7: that's the idea.

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01:24:48,613 --> 01:24:51,093
Speaker 22: And you know, we can only hope that it works

1723
01:24:51,093 --> 01:24:53,413
Speaker 22: to change people's minds. We still, yeah, for sure, but

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01:24:53,493 --> 01:24:57,693
Speaker 22: that's that's the goal, which which I can't something about.

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01:24:57,693 --> 01:24:58,493
Speaker 22: It really appealed to.

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01:24:58,413 --> 01:25:00,133
Speaker 2: Me, No, I think it appeals to me as well.

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01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:02,773
Speaker 2: I think it appeals toward us. And so you can

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01:25:02,813 --> 01:25:06,053
Speaker 2: imagine though that there are certain you know, scenarios in

1729
01:25:06,053 --> 01:25:09,893
Speaker 2: which appropriate right, So for really serious criminal offens. Offending,

1730
01:25:09,933 --> 01:25:12,253
Speaker 2: obviously it's going to be appropriate. But no, no, no,

1731
01:25:12,293 --> 01:25:15,093
Speaker 2: what about a parenting Yeah, yeah.

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01:25:14,973 --> 01:25:17,053
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought of that that I was reading it.

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01:25:17,173 --> 01:25:19,333
Speaker 22: I thought, you know, what a lot of parents will

1734
01:25:19,373 --> 01:25:22,173
Speaker 22: have and I've done as in my career, I've done

1735
01:25:22,173 --> 01:25:24,653
Speaker 22: a few of the old parenting programs and working with

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01:25:24,773 --> 01:25:27,573
Speaker 22: parents and and often when if you can come up,

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01:25:27,813 --> 01:25:29,373
Speaker 22: I think in parenting we often call it kind of

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01:25:29,453 --> 01:25:33,693
Speaker 22: natural consequences or logical consequences. So if you are playing

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01:25:33,853 --> 01:25:36,173
Speaker 22: with a toy, you know, a child's playing with a

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01:25:36,213 --> 01:25:38,213
Speaker 22: toy that belongs to their brother or sister and they

1741
01:25:38,213 --> 01:25:41,733
Speaker 22: break it, well they have to then obviously apologize, but

1742
01:25:41,773 --> 01:25:45,053
Speaker 22: then they have to actually replace the toy, perhaps out

1743
01:25:45,093 --> 01:25:47,453
Speaker 22: of their own money, and that there's a real logical

1744
01:25:47,493 --> 01:25:49,813
Speaker 22: sense of hey, this is a cost to the You

1745
01:25:49,813 --> 01:25:52,173
Speaker 22: know there's a financial cost obviously, but this is a

1746
01:25:52,213 --> 01:25:54,013
Speaker 22: cost and it is annoying for you and you have

1747
01:25:54,093 --> 01:25:55,493
Speaker 22: to go out of your way.

1748
01:25:55,613 --> 01:25:58,373
Speaker 7: And hopefully you learn actually just just to be.

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01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,373
Speaker 22: A little bit more careful next time, because you know

1750
01:26:01,413 --> 01:26:06,253
Speaker 22: you've learned the real world consequences I guess of your action.

1751
01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:09,893
Speaker 22: And I'm sure many parents will have used those sorts

1752
01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:12,613
Speaker 22: of text neiqus as well, and it's just perhaps extending

1753
01:26:12,613 --> 01:26:14,773
Speaker 22: that up into adulthood.

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01:26:14,253 --> 01:26:14,853
Speaker 8: A little bit too.

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01:26:14,973 --> 01:26:16,973
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good. Hey, thank you for bringing our

1756
01:26:16,973 --> 01:26:19,853
Speaker 2: attention to the research. It really is interesting. Thanks, dous.

1757
01:26:19,933 --> 01:26:22,013
Speaker 2: Remind me of those good old TV shows though, you know,

1758
01:26:22,173 --> 01:26:25,853
Speaker 2: the judge duties and things you know like this. Sometimes

1759
01:26:25,893 --> 01:26:27,813
Speaker 2: you know, America just does it best and when it

1760
01:26:27,813 --> 01:26:31,253
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Speaker 2: thoughts on that very shortly, Just so you know. At

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Speaker 2: the United Nations Foreign Minister Winston Peters is currently speaking.

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01:27:03,133 --> 01:27:06,253
Speaker 2: We are expecting him to clarify new Zealand's position on

1773
01:27:06,493 --> 01:27:09,373
Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood. So we will bring your details on that

1774
01:27:09,533 --> 01:27:11,853
Speaker 2: just as as soon as the Foreign Minister has shared them.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen past eleven.

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Speaker 1: Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the world is yours

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Speaker 2: Mike Gyuardly is our travel correspondent. This morning, he's focusing

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01:27:21,573 --> 01:27:25,053
Speaker 2: on travel scams and swindles, because as much as you

1780
01:27:25,133 --> 01:27:29,493
Speaker 2: might be enjoying traveling the world, nothing will take the

1781
01:27:29,533 --> 01:27:32,453
Speaker 2: fun out of your holiday like getting ripped off by

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01:27:32,453 --> 01:27:34,253
Speaker 2: a scammer. Good morning, Mike.

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01:27:35,293 --> 01:27:38,653
Speaker 7: Good morning Jack. Yes, that's exactly that in terms of like,

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01:27:38,813 --> 01:27:41,453
Speaker 7: you know, you've saved up for a hard earned holiday

1785
01:27:41,493 --> 01:27:44,333
Speaker 7: and you don't want to have that shine taken off

1786
01:27:44,373 --> 01:27:47,133
Speaker 7: the experience. So yeah, you do not want to lead

1787
01:27:47,173 --> 01:27:49,213
Speaker 7: your guard down. There are a lot of bad bikers

1788
01:27:49,253 --> 01:27:49,653
Speaker 7: out there.

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01:27:49,773 --> 01:27:52,293
Speaker 2: My brother has just been going on holiday in Europe,

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01:27:52,373 --> 01:27:55,533
Speaker 2: nice for some and he had flown out and was

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01:27:55,573 --> 01:27:58,893
Speaker 2: on the plane and then texted us. Upon arrival, he

1792
01:27:59,013 --> 01:28:01,133
Speaker 2: got a call from his bank saying we've had some

1793
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:03,173
Speaker 2: weird transactions and he was like, what do you mean

1794
01:28:03,453 --> 01:28:06,053
Speaker 2: some weird transactions and they said, well, you know, we've

1795
01:28:06,053 --> 01:28:11,133
Speaker 2: had some transactions and you know, in Nigeria and somewhere

1796
01:28:11,173 --> 01:28:13,173
Speaker 2: else on your credit card, and we're a bit surprised.

1797
01:28:13,173 --> 01:28:15,373
Speaker 2: And he said, oh, that's that's strange. And they said, look,

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01:28:15,413 --> 01:28:16,933
Speaker 2: can you just get out your credit card and make

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01:28:16,973 --> 01:28:19,333
Speaker 2: sure and he went. He looked in his bag and

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01:28:19,373 --> 01:28:21,493
Speaker 2: his credit card had been gone pinched out of his

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01:28:21,573 --> 01:28:24,853
Speaker 2: backpack and the overhead locker. So there you go, man,

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01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:27,093
Speaker 2: there you go. Gott to be very careful. And I

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01:28:27,093 --> 01:28:29,413
Speaker 2: mean that's just the old school, right, like pinching your cards,

1804
01:28:29,533 --> 01:28:32,373
Speaker 2: the old school, you know, not particularly technical. But this

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01:28:32,413 --> 01:28:34,213
Speaker 2: is the digital age and I would have thought that,

1806
01:28:34,853 --> 01:28:38,733
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like fake booking sites AI scams are

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01:28:38,733 --> 01:28:40,613
Speaker 2: increasingly catching travelers, are they.

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01:28:41,533 --> 01:28:43,933
Speaker 7: Yes, well, I was thinking of you, Jack in terms

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01:28:43,973 --> 01:28:49,413
Speaker 7: of you know, fake product endorsements exporting the likes of you,

1810
01:28:50,413 --> 01:28:54,453
Speaker 7: same sort of concept, where through the power of AI,

1811
01:28:54,893 --> 01:28:59,213
Speaker 7: so many booking sites are being created that are essentially

1812
01:28:59,413 --> 01:29:04,653
Speaker 7: cloning legitimate websites. They look almost identical. And this could

1813
01:29:04,653 --> 01:29:11,173
Speaker 7: be like flight activities, accommodation platforms. So you really do

1814
01:29:11,293 --> 01:29:13,373
Speaker 7: need to be extra careful that you are dealing with

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01:29:13,413 --> 01:29:18,053
Speaker 7: a reputable company and the real deal. One of the

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01:29:18,093 --> 01:29:23,133
Speaker 7: big giveaways is a web page that is designed to

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01:29:23,253 --> 01:29:31,013
Speaker 7: take payments should always start with HTTPS if it says http,

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01:29:32,373 --> 01:29:34,333
Speaker 7: red flag burg red flag.

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01:29:34,573 --> 01:29:35,093
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:29:34,893 --> 01:29:37,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good point. What about public Wi

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01:29:37,053 --> 01:29:38,093
Speaker 2: Fi networks?

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01:29:38,893 --> 01:29:43,453
Speaker 7: Interesting, isn't it? Because I have repeatedly over the years

1823
01:29:43,693 --> 01:29:48,773
Speaker 7: used airport public Wi Fi, hotel Wi Fi, cafe Wi Fi,

1824
01:29:49,533 --> 01:29:54,133
Speaker 7: and you are putting yourself at greater risk of being

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01:29:54,173 --> 01:30:00,173
Speaker 7: snared by an opportunist scammer. Particularly they'll be after intercepting

1826
01:30:00,213 --> 01:30:04,813
Speaker 7: your data, stealing passwords, accounts, numbers, and stalling malware. A

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01:30:04,813 --> 01:30:07,333
Speaker 7: lot of people, of course will use a vp N

1828
01:30:08,493 --> 01:30:14,013
Speaker 7: for protection because that encrypts your connection. But if you

1829
01:30:14,293 --> 01:30:18,413
Speaker 7: are using public Wi Fi, I would strongly suggest you

1830
01:30:19,013 --> 01:30:22,613
Speaker 7: restrict your usage to surfing the net, do not use

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01:30:22,813 --> 01:30:27,453
Speaker 7: any sensitive apps. Definitely nothing in the way of online

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01:30:27,493 --> 01:30:29,933
Speaker 7: banking when using public Wi Fi.

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01:30:30,053 --> 01:30:33,093
Speaker 2: That's my rule. I just don't any big transaction or stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't do it on public Wi Fi just and

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01:30:35,693 --> 01:30:39,413
Speaker 2: sometimes even if I'm traveling in New Zealand, I make

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01:30:39,453 --> 01:30:41,813
Speaker 2: an effort to you know, if I'm using public Wi

1837
01:30:41,853 --> 01:30:45,453
Speaker 2: Fi and I'm you know, somewhere else, I will will

1838
01:30:45,533 --> 01:30:47,693
Speaker 2: choose to go off the Wi Fi and then set

1839
01:30:47,773 --> 01:30:49,733
Speaker 2: up a little thing on my phone instead, you know,

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01:30:49,853 --> 01:30:53,773
Speaker 2: like it's just worth it. I reckon. So is obviously

1841
01:30:53,773 --> 01:30:57,533
Speaker 2: a universal nuisance and tourist destinations and my brother's mind,

1842
01:30:57,933 --> 01:31:00,893
Speaker 2: what particular tactic is trending at the moment.

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01:31:02,213 --> 01:31:05,973
Speaker 7: Interestingly, I came across this earlier this year at Munich Airport,

1844
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:10,053
Speaker 7: a parent only. The most popular pickpocket technique in Europe

1845
01:31:10,733 --> 01:31:15,693
Speaker 7: at the moment is called the sandwich. So picture that

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01:31:15,773 --> 01:31:18,773
Speaker 7: you're standing on an escalator, for example, at the airport,

1847
01:31:19,293 --> 01:31:21,693
Speaker 7: and you've got people in front of you blocking the

1848
01:31:21,693 --> 01:31:26,613
Speaker 7: way past. Unbeknown to you, the couple standing in front

1849
01:31:26,613 --> 01:31:30,933
Speaker 7: of you are actually acting as stallers, so there'll be

1850
01:31:30,973 --> 01:31:34,893
Speaker 7: a rogue behind you picking through your backpack. So that

1851
01:31:35,013 --> 01:31:39,533
Speaker 7: is the sandwich technique. Apparently that is just rife in airport,

1852
01:31:39,693 --> 01:31:43,933
Speaker 7: shopping malls, train stations, you name it, all across Europe.

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01:31:43,933 --> 01:31:48,253
Speaker 7: It's the number one pickpocketing tactic. But as a general rule,

1854
01:31:48,253 --> 01:31:50,973
Speaker 7: as we've talked about before and areas that have got

1855
01:31:51,013 --> 01:31:55,293
Speaker 7: a notorious reputation for pickpockets, definitely turn your backpack into

1856
01:31:55,293 --> 01:31:58,573
Speaker 7: a front pack or have some sort of like crossbody

1857
01:31:58,613 --> 01:32:01,493
Speaker 7: bag if you are taking valuables out with you.

1858
01:32:01,773 --> 01:32:03,973
Speaker 2: What's the go with tap and go street fraud.

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01:32:05,613 --> 01:32:09,733
Speaker 7: This is fast scinating and I have actually been given

1860
01:32:09,773 --> 01:32:13,493
Speaker 7: a bit of a reinforcement about this in Nepal and

1861
01:32:13,693 --> 01:32:16,853
Speaker 7: India in the last week or so. It is huge

1862
01:32:17,453 --> 01:32:19,733
Speaker 7: in that part of the world. So what is going

1863
01:32:19,773 --> 01:32:23,773
Speaker 7: on is that a whole lot of opportunists have got

1864
01:32:23,813 --> 01:32:29,053
Speaker 7: these portable card reader machines and in busy, congested tourist areas,

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01:32:29,533 --> 01:32:34,733
Speaker 7: they just nudge into tourists that look like they've got

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01:32:34,733 --> 01:32:38,853
Speaker 7: a wallet in your pocket and that can be enough

1867
01:32:39,293 --> 01:32:44,453
Speaker 7: to activate the tap and go the payWave being recorded

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01:32:44,533 --> 01:32:47,293
Speaker 7: by their card reader machine as a transaction.

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01:32:47,613 --> 01:32:48,773
Speaker 4: It's that easy.

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01:32:49,453 --> 01:32:54,053
Speaker 7: So turn off the tap or payWave function on your

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01:32:54,053 --> 01:32:57,853
Speaker 7: phone if you can. Otherwise, I noticed what is becoming

1872
01:32:57,933 --> 01:33:03,693
Speaker 7: increasingly on sale, particularly at airports and so forth, are

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01:33:03,813 --> 01:33:07,653
Speaker 7: like shield covers for your credit It can't so the

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01:33:07,733 --> 01:33:11,293
Speaker 7: carb reder machines can't penetrate those two to do a

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01:33:11,333 --> 01:33:12,213
Speaker 7: dodgy transaction.

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01:33:12,813 --> 01:33:14,853
Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, just stay there for a moment. We have

1877
01:33:15,013 --> 01:33:16,973
Speaker 2: a bit of breaking news. Twenty five past eleven.

1878
01:33:20,053 --> 01:33:24,173
Speaker 4: This is news talk said the breaking news right.

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01:33:24,253 --> 01:33:27,093
Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Winston Peters is speaking at the United Nations

1880
01:33:27,093 --> 01:33:30,973
Speaker 2: General Assembly in New York, New Zealand is not recognizing

1881
01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:35,413
Speaker 2: the state of Palestine at this stage. He says it's

1882
01:33:35,533 --> 01:33:38,773
Speaker 2: a case of when, not if, the New Zealand will

1883
01:33:38,813 --> 01:33:42,893
Speaker 2: recognize Palestinian statehood. But it is presentation at the UN

1884
01:33:42,933 --> 01:33:46,693
Speaker 2: General Assembly, he's medically New Zealand is not recognizing the

1885
01:33:46,733 --> 01:33:48,733
Speaker 2: state of Palestine at this stage. It means that New

1886
01:33:48,813 --> 01:33:51,173
Speaker 2: Zealand's decision is at odds with about one hundred and

1887
01:33:51,213 --> 01:33:55,093
Speaker 2: fifty other countries around the world, including Australia, who announced

1888
01:33:55,173 --> 01:33:58,773
Speaker 2: formal recognition earlier this week at the UN General Assembly.

1889
01:33:58,813 --> 01:34:01,613
Speaker 2: But Foreign Minister Winston Peters in his presentation says New

1890
01:34:01,693 --> 01:34:05,013
Speaker 2: Zealand is not recognizing the state of Palestine at this stage.

1891
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:07,493
Speaker 2: We'll have more details for that about that in the

1892
01:34:07,533 --> 01:34:11,773
Speaker 2: news very shortly. Right it is twenty six minutes past eleven.

1893
01:34:11,813 --> 01:34:14,693
Speaker 2: Mike Cordley, a travel correspond is still whether. Sorry to

1894
01:34:14,733 --> 01:34:17,933
Speaker 2: interrupt you there, Mike. I just we always making to

1895
01:34:17,973 --> 01:34:19,773
Speaker 2: bring you around the breaking news as soon as as

1896
01:34:19,773 --> 01:34:21,013
Speaker 2: soon as it happens, and I know a lot of

1897
01:34:21,053 --> 01:34:23,333
Speaker 2: people had been waiting to see what Winston Peters would

1898
01:34:23,333 --> 01:34:25,613
Speaker 2: say part of his presentation here this morning.

1899
01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:29,093
Speaker 7: Yes, very Winston decision, isn't it.

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01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:31,653
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's interesting. Yes, I'm sure people will

1901
01:34:31,653 --> 01:34:34,333
Speaker 2: have their own thoughts on it. It's obviously a contentious subject,

1902
01:34:34,373 --> 01:34:37,693
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, it's a decision that was I

1903
01:34:37,693 --> 01:34:41,253
Speaker 2: think made by cabinet earlier. But I expect that within

1904
01:34:41,413 --> 01:34:44,333
Speaker 2: cabinet there would be a variety of different opinions on

1905
01:34:44,373 --> 01:34:47,333
Speaker 2: whether or not New Zealand should be recognizing Palestinian state.

1906
01:34:47,413 --> 01:34:49,533
Speaker 2: But very important to point out, he says, when not if,

1907
01:34:49,933 --> 01:34:53,653
Speaker 2: but at this stage New Zealand is not recognizing the state. Hey,

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01:34:53,853 --> 01:34:57,333
Speaker 2: so we were talking about the different scams and swindles

1909
01:34:57,413 --> 01:35:01,133
Speaker 2: that can affect travelers, and you were talking about the

1910
01:35:01,173 --> 01:35:03,853
Speaker 2: tap and go with a kind of streetforward people brushing

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01:35:03,933 --> 01:35:07,573
Speaker 2: up against you. What about QR code scam they're increasing

1912
01:35:07,573 --> 01:35:07,933
Speaker 2: as well.

1913
01:35:09,533 --> 01:35:12,693
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know it's quite insidious, isn't it. So just

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01:35:12,733 --> 01:35:16,013
Speaker 7: a gentle reminder when you're ordering food in a restaurant,

1915
01:35:16,053 --> 01:35:19,133
Speaker 7: for example, it will actually pay to check the QR

1916
01:35:19,213 --> 01:35:23,413
Speaker 7: code carefully. Particularly in Asia, apparently this is trending whereby

1917
01:35:23,453 --> 01:35:27,373
Speaker 7: some schemers are placing their own QR code stickers over

1918
01:35:27,413 --> 01:35:31,653
Speaker 7: the top of the existing codes. So check the URL

1919
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:36,253
Speaker 7: that you've just taken a snap of, because they're using

1920
01:35:36,293 --> 01:35:37,933
Speaker 7: that as a way to try and get your credit

1921
01:35:37,973 --> 01:35:40,333
Speaker 7: card details. What just amazing A.

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01:35:40,613 --> 01:35:44,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah here, amazing, but pretty frustrating if

1923
01:35:44,573 --> 01:35:46,013
Speaker 2: you're the one who's caught up in it. What about

1924
01:35:46,093 --> 01:35:47,653
Speaker 2: eVisa swindles?

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01:35:48,253 --> 01:35:53,493
Speaker 7: Yeah, just finally, this is not a new one, but

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01:35:53,653 --> 01:35:56,253
Speaker 7: I think most New Zealanders will be aware that. For example,

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Speaker 7: when you're applying for an esther to go to the

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Speaker 7: US under the visa waiver program, if you look at

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Speaker 7: the Internet, you'll notice there are hundreds of profiteering esther websites,

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Speaker 7: and a lot of people aren't aware until it's too

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Speaker 7: late that they've actually not used the official US government

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Speaker 7: site but a lookalike website that actually just adds on

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Speaker 7: a service fee which you don't actually have to pay.

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Speaker 7: I know the same things happened with the New Zealand

1935
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Speaker 7: ETA scheme as well. But interestingly, Jack, when I applied

1936
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Speaker 7: for my India eVisa a few weeks ago, I found

1937
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Speaker 7: the Government of India website so bloody hopeless that I

1938
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Speaker 7: did actually end up using one of the more commercial sites.

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Speaker 7: I was prepared to pay twenty bucks just for a

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Speaker 7: more efficient application experience.

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Speaker 4: So there's sort of swings a roundabouts with it.

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Speaker 2: The thing that always surprises me is that, even with

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Speaker 2: the US one, I'm always surprised at how kind of

1944
01:36:59,173 --> 01:37:03,253
Speaker 2: budget the official US government website looks. I was like,

1945
01:37:03,493 --> 01:37:05,373
Speaker 2: is this it like, this looks like something I could

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Speaker 2: have built.

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Speaker 7: You know, it needs a bit of Marra lago blinging you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it just needs it just needs a bit

1949
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Speaker 2: of a that's not just a look of pain. It

1950
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Speaker 2: just looks, you know, a bit old and scuzzy. But anyway, Finally,

1951
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Speaker 2: another little moneysucker to avoid is selecting a credit card

1952
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Speaker 2: charge in New Zealand currency when overseas.

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Speaker 7: Yes, indeed, I get so frustrated by this because ritually

1954
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Speaker 7: everyone does it, you know, like really big Judy Free stores,

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Speaker 7: five star hotels. When you're checking out and you're fixing

1956
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Speaker 7: up your bell or you've just bought your Juty Free alcohol,

1957
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Speaker 7: they'll say, do you want to pay a New Zealand

1958
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Speaker 7: currency or you know, the local currency wherever you are

1959
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Speaker 7: in the world. Do not select the New Zealand currency

1960
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Speaker 7: because it is such a ruse just to skim a

1961
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Speaker 7: bit of extra profit off you. It's always dearer overseas

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Speaker 7: to pay a New Zealand currency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, great, advice. We really appreciate it. Thank you

1964
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Speaker 2: so much. Mike. That is Mike Guard, the Travel correspond

1965
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Speaker 2: I've got a bit more detail for you from Winston

1966
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Speaker 2: Peter's address in the United Nations. So he sees New

1967
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Speaker 2: Zealand is quote not ready to recognize a Palestinian state.

1968
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Speaker 2: He says, quote there are no fully legitimate and viable

1969
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Speaker 2: state of Palestine to recognize. Palestine does not fully meet

1970
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Speaker 2: the accepted criteria for a state as it does not

1971
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Speaker 2: fully control its own territory or population. And he says

1972
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Speaker 2: there is also no obvious link between more of the

1973
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Speaker 2: international community recognizing the state of Palestine and the aimed

1974
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Speaker 2: objective of protecting the two state solution. Like I say,

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Speaker 2: more detail for you in the news very shortly on

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB. Right now, it's eleven.

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Speaker 4: Thirty getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks. It'd be twenty seven minutes to twelve. It

1980
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Speaker 2: is a big afternoon on Weekend Sport. They are already

1981
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Speaker 2: gearing up for the All Blacks Wallabies tests at Eaton

1982
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Speaker 2: Park this evening. Jason Pine as the host of Weekend Sport.

1983
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Speaker 2: He's at The Kingslander. Tough life you live paining, I know,

1984
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Speaker 2: tough it is, isn't it?

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Speaker 8: Just?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it?

1987
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Speaker 17: Just my My New Zealand tour of pubs continues and

1988
01:39:30,533 --> 01:39:32,933
Speaker 17: The King's Lander for the second time actually this year,

1989
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Speaker 17: have welcomed Dussin and g I mean, what an afternoon ahead?

1990
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking, Jack, it's actually quite good.

1991
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Speaker 17: We only have to wait till five o'clock for kickoff

1992
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Speaker 17: to we don't have to get through seven hours, only

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Speaker 17: five hours.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know about you, mate, but I'm.

1995
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Speaker 17: Really looking forward to seeing what happens in this game,

1996
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Speaker 17: and in particular looking forward to an all Blacks response

1997
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Speaker 17: after what happened two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I totally. I mean, we are expecting a response. It'll

1999
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Speaker 2: be intriguing though, because you look at those lineups, I mean,

2000
01:40:03,253 --> 01:40:06,973
Speaker 2: James O'Connor getting the getting the last minute call up

2001
01:40:07,013 --> 01:40:09,613
Speaker 2: to fly across the world, Artie of course captaining, and

2002
01:40:09,653 --> 01:40:13,133
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett's injury absence. I mean that in itself I

2003
01:40:13,133 --> 01:40:15,413
Speaker 2: think is going to be very very interesting. It will be.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, And look, I think most people, if you ask them,

2005
01:40:19,413 --> 01:40:22,333
Speaker 17: would say, well, Ardie Savia is a very very strong

2006
01:40:22,373 --> 01:40:24,453
Speaker 17: candidate to be the permanent captain of the All Blacks.

2007
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Speaker 17: And look, there's no conspiracy theory here. Scott Barrett has

2008
01:40:27,813 --> 01:40:29,853
Speaker 17: you know, has hurt his shoulder and isn't available and

2009
01:40:29,973 --> 01:40:32,373
Speaker 17: is keen to get back next week. But look, I

2010
01:40:32,373 --> 01:40:34,653
Speaker 17: don't think you lose anything in the leadership star you

2011
01:40:34,653 --> 01:40:37,333
Speaker 17: know stake there. Yeah, And as far as the second

2012
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Speaker 17: Robb is concerned, look, Fabian Holland.

2013
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Speaker 2: Had a very very good start to his test career.

2014
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Speaker 17: To provite you back into the second row, Holland invite you.

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Speaker 2: That's not a bad locking combination.

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Speaker 14: Jack.

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Speaker 17: So while Scott Barrett of course will be missed because

2018
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Speaker 17: of his experience and his leadership within the team, you know,

2019
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Speaker 17: I think they'll probably be okay with him watching his

2020
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Speaker 17: two brothers out there instead of being out there himself.

2021
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much so. So Yeah, kick off five

2022
01:41:01,733 --> 01:41:03,293
Speaker 2: pm this evening and then it's a bit of a

2023
01:41:03,373 --> 01:41:06,333
Speaker 2: late night the Black Ferns France just after midnight.

2024
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Speaker 17: Indeed, yes, third and fourth place not really the game

2025
01:41:08,893 --> 01:41:11,413
Speaker 17: we were wanting them to be in. But we are

2026
01:41:11,453 --> 01:41:14,213
Speaker 17: where were are where we are, and I think it's

2027
01:41:14,293 --> 01:41:17,533
Speaker 17: probably for the Black Ferns a chance to farewell you know,

2028
01:41:17,613 --> 01:41:21,493
Speaker 17: some of their long standing iconic players, and you land

2029
01:41:21,533 --> 01:41:24,773
Speaker 17: on Porsche, Woodman Wickliffe when you start talking about icons

2030
01:41:24,773 --> 01:41:27,813
Speaker 17: of the women's game. So look, even though they're disappointed

2031
01:41:27,853 --> 01:41:29,093
Speaker 17: they're not going to be in the big dance, the

2032
01:41:29,613 --> 01:41:32,493
Speaker 17: main game Canada and England a bit later on tomorrow morning,

2033
01:41:32,973 --> 01:41:34,893
Speaker 17: they'll be very keen to go out on a high

2034
01:41:34,893 --> 01:41:37,293
Speaker 17: and as I say, send some of their departing players

2035
01:41:38,093 --> 01:41:40,293
Speaker 17: out with a really, really top performance.

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Speaker 2: You've got a couple of Joneses for us this afternoon, Yeah,

2037
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Speaker 2: Nick Pharr.

2038
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Speaker 17: Jones leads us off after midday, Wallaby's World Cup winning

2039
01:41:47,733 --> 01:41:51,053
Speaker 17: captain in nineteen ninety one and very various stute observer

2040
01:41:51,133 --> 01:41:53,253
Speaker 17: of the game. He's with us after midday, and then

2041
01:41:53,293 --> 01:41:56,853
Speaker 17: after one, Ian Jones, one of our great lockforwards, is

2042
01:41:56,893 --> 01:42:00,573
Speaker 17: going to pop in for a chat. We've also taken

2043
01:42:00,653 --> 01:42:03,053
Speaker 17: over from three to five as well.

2044
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Speaker 14: Jack.

2045
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Speaker 17: You know we've decided no weekend collective today. We'll just

2046
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:10,773
Speaker 17: so Mills Molloyer, you know after three. Ryan Fox gonna

2047
01:42:10,773 --> 01:42:13,293
Speaker 17: pop in after two to talk about a golf and

2048
01:42:13,333 --> 01:42:15,533
Speaker 17: also maybe you know what he remembers of his dad

2049
01:42:15,533 --> 01:42:17,893
Speaker 17: playing for the All Blacks. Dame Lisa Carrington also on

2050
01:42:17,933 --> 01:42:21,253
Speaker 17: the show this afternoon. So glittering array of guests between

2051
01:42:21,293 --> 01:42:24,133
Speaker 17: now well midday when we take over goodness and when

2052
01:42:24,133 --> 01:42:25,933
Speaker 17: we kick off at just after five o'clock, and then

2053
01:42:26,053 --> 01:42:27,853
Speaker 17: we'll hang around for an hour afterwards and take some

2054
01:42:27,933 --> 01:42:28,573
Speaker 17: calls as well.

2055
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Speaker 2: You're a good man, Thanks Fini. Looking forward to a

2056
01:42:31,373 --> 01:42:33,813
Speaker 2: massive afternoon. Jason Pine and the team live at the

2057
01:42:33,893 --> 01:42:36,493
Speaker 2: Kingslander across the road from Eden Park as they count

2058
01:42:36,533 --> 01:42:38,293
Speaker 2: down to the allbacks Wallies. Don't forget a course that

2059
01:42:38,333 --> 01:42:40,093
Speaker 2: we're going to have live coverage of the game this

2060
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Speaker 2: evening as well. Elliott Smith, Jason and the team. We'll

2061
01:42:43,853 --> 01:42:46,453
Speaker 2: have the call kick off just after five pm this

2062
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Speaker 2: evening on News Talk Z'B. Right now it is twenty

2063
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Speaker 2: three to twelve Jack, if you're just joining us. In

2064
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Speaker 2: the last few minutes, Winston Peters has clarified New Zealand's

2065
01:42:55,453 --> 01:42:59,133
Speaker 2: position on Palestinian statehood at the United Nations. He says

2066
01:42:59,133 --> 01:43:02,013
Speaker 2: New Zealand is not yet ready to recognize the Palestinian state.

2067
01:43:02,333 --> 01:43:03,973
Speaker 2: These are the comments he made at the UN.

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Speaker 27: Because they do recognition is an instrument for peace. As

2069
01:43:08,333 --> 01:43:12,413
Speaker 27: an instant for piece also does not play because there

2070
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Speaker 27: are no fully legitimate and viable state of Palestine to recognize.

2071
01:43:18,373 --> 01:43:21,333
Speaker 2: That's Winston Peters speaking at the UN General Assembly. We'll

2072
01:43:21,333 --> 01:43:25,013
Speaker 2: have more of his comments and reaction to New Zealand's

2073
01:43:25,053 --> 01:43:27,613
Speaker 2: decision in the news very shortly. Right now it is

2074
01:43:27,613 --> 01:43:29,853
Speaker 2: twenty three to twelve before midday, we got brand new

2075
01:43:29,933 --> 01:43:32,653
Speaker 2: music from Mariah Carey. She's just released a new album.

2076
01:43:32,693 --> 01:43:34,853
Speaker 2: Here for it All. And next up your book picks

2077
01:43:34,853 --> 01:43:37,773
Speaker 2: for this weekend, including the very latest from Dan Brown.

2078
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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2079
01:43:42,933 --> 01:43:44,373
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks EDB.

2080
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Speaker 2: Twenty to twelve. Time to get your book picks for

2081
01:43:47,093 --> 01:43:50,813
Speaker 2: this weekend. Katherine Rains is our book reviewer on Saturday

2082
01:43:50,853 --> 01:43:53,413
Speaker 2: mornings on Newstalks EDB. She's here with her reads for

2083
01:43:53,453 --> 01:43:57,453
Speaker 2: this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning Jack. Okay, let's begin with

2084
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Speaker 2: Habits of High Performers by James Laughlin.

2085
01:44:01,253 --> 01:44:07,333
Speaker 26: So, before James became a coach high performance, he would

2086
01:44:07,333 --> 01:44:09,133
Speaker 26: have described himself, I guess, as being part of that

2087
01:44:09,533 --> 01:44:13,093
Speaker 26: hustle grind culture that a lot of it exists, and

2088
01:44:14,173 --> 01:44:17,373
Speaker 26: you know, and as he explains that it typically comes

2089
01:44:17,373 --> 01:44:21,293
Speaker 26: at the expense of your own health and your relationships

2090
01:44:21,293 --> 01:44:23,973
Speaker 26: with your family that when it all costs mentality, you know,

2091
01:44:24,173 --> 01:44:26,893
Speaker 26: work hard, play hard, and really probably what it's led

2092
01:44:26,933 --> 01:44:30,493
Speaker 26: to is high rates of anxiety and burnout amongst high

2093
01:44:30,613 --> 01:44:33,133
Speaker 26: performers both and lots of people on and off the

2094
01:44:33,133 --> 01:44:35,453
Speaker 26: sporting field as well. And he's worked with all blacks

2095
01:44:35,493 --> 01:44:38,293
Speaker 26: and PGA tall winners, prime ministers and chief executives of

2096
01:44:38,293 --> 01:44:40,333
Speaker 26: global corporations. He's had a lot of time to sit

2097
01:44:40,413 --> 01:44:43,293
Speaker 26: down and talk to people, and he doesn't believe in

2098
01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:46,413
Speaker 26: that concept of work life balance either. What he talks

2099
01:44:46,453 --> 01:44:49,573
Speaker 26: about is counterbalancing, and what he means is is it's

2100
01:44:49,573 --> 01:44:53,053
Speaker 26: the kind of noticing when we've become completely focused on

2101
01:44:53,053 --> 01:44:55,053
Speaker 26: one sphere of our lives, and often it's work at

2102
01:44:55,093 --> 01:44:58,613
Speaker 26: the expense of everything else like family, friends, sleep, health,

2103
01:44:58,733 --> 01:45:02,133
Speaker 26: having time off. And it sounds quite simplistic, but you know,

2104
01:45:02,173 --> 01:45:04,733
Speaker 26: he talks about his body having this role in your

2105
01:45:04,733 --> 01:45:07,773
Speaker 26: ability to perform at your bea in particular hormones like

2106
01:45:07,813 --> 01:45:11,093
Speaker 26: cortisol and dopamin and dolphins, and that influences how we

2107
01:45:11,173 --> 01:45:13,733
Speaker 26: handle stress and how we stay focused and motivated, and

2108
01:45:13,773 --> 01:45:16,733
Speaker 26: it's balancing those things through sleep and nutrition and recovery

2109
01:45:16,773 --> 01:45:19,053
Speaker 26: and so kind of turning your body into an asset,

2110
01:45:19,173 --> 01:45:21,733
Speaker 26: not kind of limiting you all the time. And he

2111
01:45:21,893 --> 01:45:23,653
Speaker 26: you know, if you break it down in the most

2112
01:45:23,653 --> 01:45:27,013
Speaker 26: simplistic form, he's really talking about exercise, diet, and sleep

2113
01:45:27,093 --> 01:45:28,973
Speaker 26: and those are the kind of non negotiable things that

2114
01:45:29,013 --> 01:45:31,693
Speaker 26: you have. You know, Exercise gets your body ready for

2115
01:45:32,533 --> 01:45:35,413
Speaker 26: what is to come, and nutrition fill fuels that performance,

2116
01:45:35,413 --> 01:45:37,693
Speaker 26: and sleep allows you to do that sustainably over a

2117
01:45:37,693 --> 01:45:41,053
Speaker 26: long time. And you know, as he explains that high

2118
01:45:41,053 --> 01:45:43,973
Speaker 26: performance see the world differently and they understand that success

2119
01:45:44,013 --> 01:45:47,693
Speaker 26: comes from that depth and focus. And he has was

2120
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Speaker 26: that he discussed, like vision and self discipline and belief,

2121
01:45:51,493 --> 01:45:54,253
Speaker 26: and it all offers very different perspectives and some practical

2122
01:45:54,253 --> 01:45:56,933
Speaker 26: ideas and strategies and really shifting your mindset and most

2123
01:45:56,973 --> 01:45:59,213
Speaker 26: importantly being able to sustain that. And yet it's just

2124
01:45:59,253 --> 01:46:02,173
Speaker 26: a really different kind of an interesting look at how

2125
01:46:02,213 --> 01:46:04,653
Speaker 26: you can perform differently, and I think not just for

2126
01:46:04,733 --> 01:46:06,973
Speaker 26: high performers, but you know, how you can think about

2127
01:46:06,973 --> 01:46:08,053
Speaker 26: those things in your own life.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Okay? That Habits of High Performance by James Lughman.

2129
01:46:11,573 --> 01:46:14,453
Speaker 2: You've read Dan Brown's new books tell Us About Secrets

2130
01:46:14,453 --> 01:46:16,293
Speaker 2: of Secrets, So this.

2131
01:46:16,173 --> 01:46:18,773
Speaker 26: Is his first novel for eight years and he brings

2132
01:46:18,813 --> 01:46:22,733
Speaker 26: back Robert Langdon, who's a Harvard symbiologist, and this time

2133
01:46:22,813 --> 01:46:27,093
Speaker 26: he's against a conspiracy which tests his considerable brain power

2134
01:46:28,053 --> 01:46:31,773
Speaker 26: and new scientific territories and lots of historical intrigue and

2135
01:46:33,093 --> 01:46:37,533
Speaker 26: expiration of research and philosophical death the depth sorry that

2136
01:46:37,653 --> 01:46:40,133
Speaker 26: Dan Brown brings into his novels, and this time the

2137
01:46:40,173 --> 01:46:42,813
Speaker 26: mystery isn't hidden inside a vault, and it's not within

2138
01:46:42,853 --> 01:46:46,133
Speaker 26: the Vatican. It's actually in a research center in Prague,

2139
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Speaker 26: which is kind of known of this mystical capital of Europe.

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Speaker 26: It's architets, architecture, the mythology factor, and it all kind

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Speaker 26: of weaves into the story, and so you get lots

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Speaker 26: of cathedrals and monasteries and secrets and kind of perfect

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Speaker 26: backdrop almost. And in this Robert Langdon has met this woman,

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Speaker 26: Catherine Solomon, and they're deeply in love and she's a

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Speaker 26: noetic scientist and what that means is she studies human consciousness,

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Speaker 26: so things like esp and precognition and near death experiences.

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Speaker 26: And they're in Prague for the speaking of engagement and

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Speaker 26: she's made this breakthrough that kind of promises him to

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Speaker 26: change the world. And then she disappears and no clue

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Speaker 26: where she is. And Langdon of course is racing against

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Speaker 26: time and dangerous and powerful people and people lurking in

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Speaker 26: the dark streets in the city trying to find Catherine.

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Speaker 26: So you get these fast paced scenes and an intriguing storyline,

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Speaker 26: lots of course unexpected twists and plot and the characters.

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Speaker 26: There's murder and mayhem with a few spies and diplomats

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Speaker 26: and unethical people thrown in there. And yeah, it's a

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Speaker 26: typical Dan Brown roller coaster ride.

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Speaker 2: Yeah nice, Okay, this sounds great. So that is Secrets

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Speaker 2: of Secrets by Dan Brown, Catherine's first book, Habits of

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Speaker 2: High Performers by James Laughlin. In a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 2: Mariah Carey's got a brand new album. We've chosen a

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Speaker 2: couple of songs to play. Your music reviewer will give

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Speaker 2: us his thoughts on the album. Shortly quarter to twelve

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Speaker 2: on news doorgs he'd.

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Speaker 1: Be you the inside scoop on the All You Need

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Speaker 1: to Know Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 8: It mean.

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Speaker 2: Danger that's Mariah carry her new album is here for

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Speaker 2: it All that's called Type Dangerous. Christ Shaltz has been

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Speaker 2: listening and he's with us this morning. Got a good morning, sir, Jack.

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Speaker 18: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But new Mariah, first new Mariah in a while.

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Speaker 14: It's yeah. The biggest thing she did most recently was

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Speaker 14: a memoir actually in twenty twenty. Yeah, right, came out

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Speaker 14: and started COVID kind of a towel all. So this

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Speaker 14: is her first big album. Very brave move to release

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Speaker 14: an album right now. We're six days away from the

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Speaker 14: biggest album of the year coming out, that is, of course,

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Speaker 14: Taylor Swift's The Life of a Show.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I am locked into the listening party with my

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Speaker 14: eleven year old daughter. We have a route to pick

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Speaker 14: up her friends. We're doing this. So you're either very brave,

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Speaker 14: very silly, or you just don't care at this point

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Speaker 14: if you're releasing an album now. And Mariah Carey doesn't

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Speaker 14: have to care. She has spent nearly two years at

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Speaker 14: the top of the charts, ninety weeks. I believe she's

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Speaker 14: been at number one, nineteen number one songs. This is

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Speaker 14: her sixteenth album. She doesn't have to switch things up

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Speaker 14: at this We need to prove so this is very

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Speaker 14: much in her wheelhouse. This is schmoltzy R and B.

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Speaker 14: It's soul, it's got a little bit of funk. There's

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Speaker 14: a couple of party songs in there that sort of

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Speaker 14: nod to her roots. They're the ones my years went to.

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Speaker 14: Like the song you just played, type dangerous. I prefer

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Speaker 14: it when she's dabbling in hip hop. That's how she

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Speaker 14: first started. Her big first song was Fantasy. It had

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Speaker 14: od B from the Wu Tang clan, and she did

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Speaker 14: a lot of that early in her career. So that

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Speaker 14: single is based on a sample from Eric B and Raquem,

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Speaker 14: the eighties hip hop greats, and that's that's kind of

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Speaker 14: about all she does. So that's why I sent you

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Speaker 14: that song to play. The rest of it's it's just

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Speaker 14: kind of a mixed bag. There's love songs, there's R

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Speaker 14: and B ballads. She's the surprising thing is is just

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Speaker 14: how muted it all?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so we don't get there.

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Speaker 4: None of that.

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Speaker 14: No, it's very hush hush, a lot of whispered kind

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Speaker 14: of vocals. Yeah, but I mean, look, she's fifty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gone under proof.

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Speaker 14: She made All I Want for Christmas is you. Her

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Speaker 14: house is stocked with personal chefs and butlers for the

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Speaker 14: rest of her days.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, Yeah, she's doing okay, she's doing five Cost of

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Speaker 2: Living Crisis is and punching at Mariah's place too much.

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Speaker 14: The one black mark I would give her is that

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Speaker 14: she's about to tour Australia. She's doing the Friday's Live festival.

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Speaker 14: She's not coming here. Yeah, one of the many artists

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Speaker 14: who isn't visiting us this year. So I definitely give

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Speaker 14: her a black mark. Friday's Live as a festival like

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Speaker 14: a throwback hrpop, bar and B festival that has always

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01:51:17,933 --> 01:51:20,893
Speaker 14: come here. This is the first year it's Australian only,

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01:51:20,933 --> 01:51:22,973
Speaker 14: and she does actually owe us a show she canceled

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Speaker 14: at twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: True, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, so she does. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So she's doing for Australian shows. Okay, that is it.

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Speaker 2: That is a bit of a shame, all right. So

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01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:38,053
Speaker 2: it sounds sort of okay. But she's not taking risks.

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Speaker 14: No, she's very much at the legacy stage of her career.

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Speaker 14: If it came on at a mall, I think you'd

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Speaker 14: probably just be like, this is fine.

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Speaker 2: If it's right, and there's a line. If it came

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01:51:49,253 --> 01:51:51,213
Speaker 2: on in a mall, it's just fine.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, she doesn't need to do anything else. I

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01:51:55,173 --> 01:51:56,733
Speaker 14: don't hate it for that though, Like I'm not like

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Speaker 14: mad at her. But there's a world where she could

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Speaker 14: do like the Madonna or the Sheer Thing, where she

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Speaker 14: releases these kind of like eurotrash bangers versions of songs

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01:52:05,573 --> 01:52:09,213
Speaker 14: that sort of play Night Beth and get beloved by

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01:52:09,253 --> 01:52:12,493
Speaker 14: a new generation. But she doesn't seem like someone wants.

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Speaker 8: To do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so what did you give here for

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Speaker 2: it all? It's two and a half Okay, that's all,

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Speaker 2: no more, no, okay.

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Speaker 14: If you like Mariah Carey, you'll love her. If you don't,

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Speaker 14: it's not gonna win ane.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. Thank you a nice honest review

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Speaker 2: for Chris this morning. You can, of course, find all

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Speaker 2: of Christian's work on a substack. Just look up boiler

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Speaker 2: Room on subsec and you'll be able to find that.

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01:52:34,613 --> 01:52:36,933
Speaker 2: We'll play you one of the songs that Chris Wiggins

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Speaker 2: is all right in a couple of minutes. Maybe the

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Speaker 2: two and the two and a half stars from Mariah

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Speaker 2: Carey's new album will pick that out and play it

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Speaker 2: in a few minutes time. Right now, it's nine to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: Team News Talk said.

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Speaker 15: Be.

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Speaker 2: Right, oh, we are about to hand over the reins

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Speaker 2: to the Weekend Sport team, who are usually doing three

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Speaker 2: hours on a Saturday afternoon, but thought, you know what,

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01:53:03,853 --> 01:53:05,613
Speaker 2: this is such a big afternoon of sport. We're going

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Speaker 2: to do all five before the All Backs kick off.

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Speaker 2: Of course, All Blacks Wallabies Eden Park five oh five

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Speaker 2: is the kickoff this evening. We're gonna have live coverage

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith, Jason Pine, the commentary team on Newstalk's EDB

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01:53:16,973 --> 01:53:20,773
Speaker 2: this evening. This afternoon, Nick Farr Jones and Ian Jones

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01:53:20,853 --> 01:53:23,773
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport, both with their takes on what could

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01:53:23,813 --> 01:53:28,973
Speaker 2: be the most intriguing Lederslow clash in some time. I

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01:53:29,053 --> 01:53:30,773
Speaker 2: feel confident the All Backs are going to hold on.

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01:53:31,173 --> 01:53:34,413
Speaker 2: I feel especially confident they are going to turn around

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01:53:34,493 --> 01:53:37,213
Speaker 2: their performance off the back of that South African effort

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. But it's going to be

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Speaker 2: very very intriguing to see how things go down this evening,

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01:53:44,213 --> 01:53:46,293
Speaker 2: especially with James O'Connor coming back as well. So so

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Speaker 2: many different kind of little storylines and threads to watch

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Speaker 2: this evening. Thank you so much for your company this

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Speaker 2: morning on news talks. He'd be for Olivia. Texts and emails.

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Speaker 2: You can find everything from our show at newstalk SEDB

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01:53:57,853 --> 01:54:01,613
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. Thanks to Kenzie and Libby for

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Speaker 2: doing the tough stuff. We'll be thinking of the Black

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01:54:03,613 --> 01:54:05,613
Speaker 2: fans this evening as well, hoping they can put the

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Speaker 2: disappointment of making the final behind them with a dominant

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Speaker 2: performance against France and the Rugby World and the Rugby

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Speaker 2: World Cup. We're gonna leave you with Mariah Carey. Her

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Speaker 2: new album is here for it all. We're back nixt

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Speaker 2: wigains have a good one.

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Speaker 20: Copter came in the dog dripped in Valenci fab Leverco

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Speaker 20: and some landings.

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01:54:28,933 --> 01:54:31,253
Speaker 2: Fans pan of it up, pens.

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Speaker 20: The stir and he must made for them signing autographs and.

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Speaker 12: So hit the little doers in the pant of my

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01:54:36,413 --> 01:54:39,373
Speaker 12: nose and then came into hated assos.

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Speaker 20: They don't know the meaning of what to do, so

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Speaker 20: I don't have time for the wigamore taking off.

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Speaker 5: A fat diamonds like the songs.

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Speaker 20: Look over, mister got the light show?

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Speaker 2: Can you handle this? I don't know.

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Speaker 20: You can meet me up at the part now come

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Speaker 20: up a box where the jogging kids.

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Speaker 2: I hate Sancho.

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Speaker 8: And recommend.

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Speaker 12: Get hold that danger. I'm not danger, luckily, crush out of.

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Speaker 20: Sing sing now. I'm just saying that that was just

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01:55:37,653 --> 01:55:40,733
Speaker 20: a castle and the little king made my safeties.

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Speaker 5: I had to flee.

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Speaker 20: Now it's sex to the city and a couple of

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Speaker 20: little fleets.

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Speaker 12: Not a second man at a yen for me, like

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Speaker 12: the rush of.

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Speaker 2: The tunnel at a break.

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Speaker 20: Next week, beaut boy Joy he was going for a

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Speaker 20: while to the cut him on the web.

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Speaker 2: Hang another girls you.

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Speaker 5: Know the car say he were construction.

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Speaker 20: Turns out he was moving them pounds and they want

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Speaker 20: to settle down, but I just don't trust them. They

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Speaker 20: want to love me down, but there's no hair coffent.

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Speaker 2: Set would be together, but you didn't say. I don't know.

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Speaker 20: I guess is this whatever is the twelfth and nove

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Speaker 20: I've never been afraid.

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Speaker 12: Well that's the danger.

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Speaker 20: I will get target danger, that danger, danger.

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Speaker 2: That last Get

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live

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