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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather du for Ce Ellen

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon at is seven after four Coming

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Speaker 3: up on the program, Andrew Little on defense spending. What

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Speaker 3: exactly do we need to buy with the extra billions

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Speaker 3: we're expecting? Andrew Bailey, what is an animated discussion the

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Speaker 3: Bonker's story out of Wellington? Today? This is Victoria University.

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Speaker 3: It involves alcohol, it involves students, and it involves a

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Speaker 3: massive wowser. Also today, Tritius and Josepe Bagaraney on the

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Speaker 3: panel and Nikola Willis after six, Bryan Bridge, get ready

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. A massive defense budget is going to

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Speaker 3: drop in about three months time. Judith Collins told me

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Speaker 3: to two percent of GDP. We're currently at one point

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Speaker 3: one percent of GDP with our spending. We spend almost

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Speaker 3: about doubling that almost ten billion dollars now. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 3: So at that rate, it would take you more than

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Speaker 3: nine years and all the extra money available to all

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Speaker 3: that is quite unlikely. Here's what they could do. Come

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Speaker 3: scale things up. Then there's the why and on what

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Speaker 3: the why is easy. America is in retreat mode. China

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Speaker 3: world's largest navy, two hundred and thirty four warships. The

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Speaker 3: American people who voted for him don't want to play

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Speaker 3: globocop anymore. Trump will only help Ukraine if he gets

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Speaker 3: and there'll be plenty of people, the Greens, the academics,

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Speaker 3: if you've got no country to go back to? Security

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Speaker 3: And if the government is serious about this, which they

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Speaker 3: enough to drop ten billion dollars on defense, then surely

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Speaker 3: Little after five ten after four Now more calls today

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Speaker 3: for Regional New Zealand to ditch the traditional nine to

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Speaker 3: five retail model. This story originally came you remember, from

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Speaker 3: the Napier business leader who says the CBD there becomes

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Speaker 3: at five o'clock. Now more towns are having this debate.

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Speaker 3: So are our smallest center stuck in the past? Retailians

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Speaker 3: and CEO Carolyn Young is with me, Hi, Carolyn kidder N,

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Speaker 3: how are you really good? Thank you would the basic

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Speaker 3: question would businesses not open if there were customers to serve?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Look, I think most businesses are in the process

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Speaker 4: But you know, consumers are going to want to come

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. If you, for example, if you work in a mall,

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Speaker 4: But if there's only one store. You know that store

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Dubissie Alan Drive Full Show.

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Speaker 3: Four seventeen on News Talk zib Luise's text and I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen one gang patch, Ryan since the new law

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Speaker 3: came in. I live in Auckland, Louis. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: This is the government announcing today that they have seized

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Speaker 3: The police have seized seventy six patches, sixty seven firearms

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two, seventeen after four. Now we're going to

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Speaker 3: Sport and Jason Pine is with us. Hey, Jason, hey, right,

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Speaker 3: good to have you on. So surprised, surprise it was

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Speaker 3: the Elk and the FC that won over the Phoenix

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I look, I think when we spoke on Friday,

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Speaker 6: I said, look, this will be a cag affair, Ryan,

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Speaker 6: up and say I absolutely didn't have it right. Auckland

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Speaker 6: FC just a juggernaut rolling over the top of Wellington Phoenix,

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: Then they go into the final series, which is knockout stuff.

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Speaker 6: It would be quite the story.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the video of the fans surrounding the bus.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was lucky enough to be in Peru actually

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't mind it. It's great bend to know.

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Speaker 6: He's just say no one was going to get hurt

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Speaker 3: Could Joseph Parker get another title shot? Do you think?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think boxing politics might be the only thing

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Speaker 6: unify the belts that we both have. So Joseph Parker

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Thanks so much for that, Jason. Great to

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Speaker 3: nineteen after four now. Lots of people texting in about

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Speaker 3: what they have noticed change with the gang patches. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I'm a sales rep who works in and around Auckland area,

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Speaker 3: and since the ban on the gang insigney was introduced,

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Speaker 3: I've only ever seen gang members wearing them the insignia

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Speaker 3: Can anyone tell me? Nine two nine two? Someone says,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't so much declared the victor as the victory

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Speaker 3: to start offering at staff university degrees sort of, yes,

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Speaker 3: sort of, so.

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Speaker 7: You can get a burger friars and a university degree

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Speaker 7: when you go to mac is.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 7: I think this is quite clever because the opportunities through

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Speaker 7: the McDonald's training program, it's now about fifty thousand different

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Speaker 7: people have been through that where they've got food safety

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Speaker 7: leadership management through their own training organization. So they're going

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Speaker 7: to trial what's called the Archways of Opportunity program. Don't

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Speaker 7: you love that term, Ryan. It says it's going to

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Speaker 7: shave about three and a half grand off a university

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Speaker 7: degree for every micro credential Earn and I think it's

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Speaker 7: funny you say a shift away in education in Australia

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Speaker 7: at the moment we always talk about your high school

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Speaker 7: certificate and getting that ATR result when you finished twelve. Well,

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Speaker 7: now less than fifty percent of Australian students actually ever

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Speaker 7: getting ATAR and you know the emphasis again any to

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Speaker 7: go to school to then perhaps going to university to

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Speaker 7: go and get a job. I think we're really breaking

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Speaker 7: down the stigma associated with the one size fits all

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Speaker 7: approach with education. So I actually really like this approach

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Speaker 7: from makers and I think it's quite innovative. I think

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Speaker 7: it could work and hopefully it opens up a few

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Speaker 7: more doors and opportunities for more Australians.

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Speaker 3: All Right, nice, OLLI thank you for that. Olli Peterson

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Speaker 3: six p Perth Live presenter our Australia correspondent. Time is

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Speaker 3: eighteen minutes away from five, Barry soaper next. Lots to

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Speaker 3: talk about, including Andrew Bailey. What does he reckon.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centric credit? Check your customers and get payments?

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Speaker 3: Certainty great to have you on news talks. They'd be

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Speaker 3: just gone quarter to five. Barry Sabers, the Senior political correspondent. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Barry good afternoon. Run Now, Andrew Bailey like interesting character,

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Speaker 3: sort of odd character.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, personally I like Herey Bailey. I've always

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Speaker 13: found them. He's slightly gregarious, slightly awkward. You know, he's

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Speaker 13: accident prone. Clearly he shot his brother once on the

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Speaker 13: leg when they were lads climbing over a fence, so

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Speaker 13: he had a loaded gun. But look, he's he does

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Speaker 13: get into all sorts of trouble, doesn't he. And he

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Speaker 13: did recently add a winery, said he didn't have anything

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Speaker 13: to drink, and now he got into an argument and

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Speaker 13: animated discussion with one of his staff member said that

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Speaker 13: he touched the shoulder. I'm not sure what it was

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Speaker 13: male or female, but the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: But if they say there and them, you must assume

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Speaker 3: it's a female because otherwise I'd say.

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Speaker 13: He or the or they or whatever. I mean, who

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Speaker 13: knows in this binary world, run you know. But look

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Speaker 13: it was a contrite Andrew Bully, I must say, who

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Speaker 13: talked to the media to day and was up front

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Speaker 13: about what happened in his office last Tuesday.

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Speaker 14: We had an animated discussion, and the point is that

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Speaker 14: at one point I put my hand on their upper

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Speaker 14: arm and I've reflected on.

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Speaker 3: It and I've made a decision.

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Speaker 14: I've held myself to account, a personal account. This is

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Speaker 14: my decision. I think that it's important sometimes you reflect

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Speaker 14: about your own activities, and that's why I've made the

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Speaker 14: personal decision. To be honest, I would have had difficulty

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Speaker 14: doing this interview over the last couple of days. I've

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Speaker 14: had to talk my family and that's why I've made

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Speaker 14: the decision, and that's why we're announcing it today.

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Speaker 13: See. So he was obviously very upset about what had

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Speaker 13: happened and what had transpart pared and it's probably maybe

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Speaker 13: is more upset about the Prime Minister's reaction and accepting

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Speaker 13: his resignation straight away.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's right, Yeah, yeah, a bit odd bit over

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Speaker 3: sideshow over. I suppose the slow boat from China off

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Speaker 3: the coast of Tasmania now buried, Well it.

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Speaker 13: Is, it's between now Tasmania and New Zealand. These warships are,

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Speaker 13: and of course we now know on Friday's airlines had

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Speaker 13: to divert flights because they were firing guns from the boats.

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Speaker 13: And you know the fact is that you would think

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Speaker 13: that the Chinese would have the common decency to let

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Speaker 13: New Zealand know if flights are going to be disrupted

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Speaker 13: by their boats in the Tasman Sea, then you know,

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Speaker 13: you would think it would be incumbent on them to

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Speaker 13: just give a bit of a heads up. Apparently they

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Speaker 13: gave a few hours notice, but that's not enough, no,

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Speaker 13: when you've got aviation in that part of the world.

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Speaker 13: The former airline boss of course, Chris Luson, he says

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Speaker 13: it would have been nice to have had some advanced notice,

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Speaker 13: certainly for the year travel which has now been redirected

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Speaker 13: because of the Chinese exercises.

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Speaker 9: There's nothing illegal here in terms of they are compliant

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Speaker 9: with international law. It's the same law that we rely

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Speaker 9: upon as we move around the world. But the issue

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Speaker 9: for us is we just think, you know, we'd appreciate

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Speaker 9: a little bit more advanced notice, particularly on what is

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Speaker 9: a busy air route, one of the busiest in the world,

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Speaker 9: that we've actually got a bit more time to respond

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Speaker 9: to that. Having said that, our civil aviation authorities are

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Speaker 9: well used to this. They are in a normal practice

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Speaker 9: in the aviation of maritime world. They have been coordinating

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Speaker 9: well across the Tasman and importantly, at no point HAVEVYW

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Speaker 9: Zealand Australian asset's been in any danger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there you go. Well, I wonder whether the

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Speaker 3: Chinese actually thought that no one was looking when they find,

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Speaker 3: you know, because it's.

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Speaker 13: In one of their biggest warshits.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's entirely possible they thought, well, you

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Speaker 3: know New Zealand's navies at the bottom of the ocean. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to know what's going on, and the

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Speaker 3: Australians probably aren't looking, so let's just have a little

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Speaker 3: fun with them, you know, with the guns and see

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Speaker 3: what happens, and before they know it's it's diplomatic incident.

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Speaker 13: It's quite extraordinary, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Now the gang crackdown Barry, the government's quite happy with

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Speaker 3: how it's going.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well have these seventy six patches. I heard you

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Speaker 13: talking earlier Ryan that in fact people aren't seeing patches

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Speaker 13: around the place. And I've got to say I've looked out,

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Speaker 13: have looked out deliberately when you see people who are

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Speaker 13: obviously gang members riding their monkey bar bikes and you know,

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Speaker 13: I haven't seen any patches. So certainly it's having some

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Speaker 13: sort of impact. The political heavyweights, the Prime Minister, the

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Speaker 13: Minister of Police, the Minister of Justice. They've been meeting

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Speaker 13: today with the Gang Disruption Unit, which is quite a

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Speaker 13: pointed unit. The point that Luxon made was that Tony

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Speaker 13: has done in the past. There are nine eight hundred

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Speaker 13: gang members in New Zealand. Now they make up one

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Speaker 13: quarter of one percent of the population, but commit a

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Speaker 13: fifth of the serious crimes and murders and a quarter

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Speaker 13: of the firearms offenses. So our relatively new Police Commissioner

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Speaker 13: Richard Chambers, he was there today saying his troops are

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Speaker 13: coping well with the new laws cracking down on gangs.

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Speaker 15: The feedback from my staff in relation to this new

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Speaker 15: legislation is that they are empowered and please to be

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Speaker 15: able to address criminal offending in front of them that

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Speaker 15: relate to the wearing of gang insignia. And perhaps the

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Speaker 15: most satisfying reflection is that feedback we are getting from

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Speaker 15: the public who are telling us that they feel a

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Speaker 15: lot safer, They feel a lot freer from the intimidation

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Speaker 15: that has been experienced in the past when it comes

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Speaker 15: to gangs.

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Speaker 13: And you have to say, you know it's good. It

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Speaker 13: certainly is. Gang numbers, I mean they have grown. There

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Speaker 13: was a point that was made to the police commissioner.

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Speaker 13: They've grown over the past here, but then they've identified

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Speaker 13: new gangs, so it gives the number maybe a false impression.

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Speaker 3: There's always been problems with that list to haven't.

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Speaker 13: They Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting a lot of our listeners that they've

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Speaker 3: been testing in to say, I've definitely noticed there are

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Speaker 3: a fewer gang members out there, less insignia and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But we've noticed this is somebody in particularly in Napier

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Speaker 3: and another in all Tata that they're wearing white t

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Speaker 3: shirts and have got the tattoos out, so they're are

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Speaker 3: But which is something, isn't it? I mean that's progress. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well most is because it's changing a behavior.

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Speaker 13: And they're sitting up and taking some notice at least.

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Speaker 3: Barry Sopers, senior political correspondent. You're on news Talks there

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Speaker 3: B Richard Chambers, who is the police boss, is with

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Speaker 3: us after five thirty year on news talk st B putting.

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Speaker 1: The time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: What a wake up call in the Tasmana the Chinese

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Speaker 16: arrivee start firing and tell no One. Defense Minister Judith

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Speaker 16: Collins is with us Are the Americans going to do

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Speaker 16: anything about this?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 16: I mean, they must be looking at this with some

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Speaker 16: level of concern, mustn't they.

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Speaker 17: I think they and other countries of the world are

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Speaker 17: looking at this and saying this is a new development,

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Speaker 17: and nobody wants to overreact. Nobody wants to get too excitable.

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Speaker 17: They want wants to be very calm and to understand

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Speaker 17: that while China is completely compliant with the viewing coneach

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Speaker 17: the law to see, it is always quite good to

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Speaker 17: give people notice, particularly when the civil aviation changes and

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Speaker 17: flights heavy to be did users.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow At six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Baby's real Estate.

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Speaker 3: News Talk z B five away from five News Talks said,

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Speaker 3: be great to have your company this evening now, Andrew Bailey,

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Speaker 3: Apparently Chris Hopkins from Labor has been weighing in over

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Speaker 3: this saga.

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Speaker 18: We've now got ministers sacking themselves when the Prime minister

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Speaker 18: should have showed some leadership and done that months ago.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Really, Can we hear that

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Speaker 3: one more time, just the just the hypocrisy? Can we

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Speaker 3: just hear that.

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Speaker 18: We've now got ministers sacking themselves when the Prime minister

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Speaker 18: should have showed some leadership and done that months ago.

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Speaker 3: So what he did an l sign a few months

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Speaker 3: ago and then today he's touched someone's shoulder?

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Speaker 7: Is this?

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Speaker 3: What are we serious? Is this what when we've come

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Speaker 3: to I think it is to be fair, we don't

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Speaker 3: know what happened with this staffer. Clearly the staffer was

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Speaker 3: upset and he's I suppose he's got record enough to

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Speaker 3: warrant him taking himself away off to the naughty corner.

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Speaker 3: And he's no longer a minister. Four minutes away from

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Speaker 3: five year on news Talk said Bee coming up after

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Speaker 3: five we are speaking to Andrew Little What is on

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Speaker 3: his wish list for defense? There is no doubt I

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Speaker 3: think this government is going to try and get us

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Speaker 3: to two percent of GDP for defense spending. So what

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Speaker 3: exactly did we spend that on? He shot his brother?

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Speaker 3: By the way, did people remember that Andrew Bailey shot

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Speaker 3: his brother in the leg by mistake? I should say

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Speaker 3: by mistake when he was growing up and brother was

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Speaker 3: quite hurt, but it was all right. His finances twin

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Speaker 3: brother a bit of an odd ball Andrew Bailey anyway,

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Speaker 3: he's no longer going to be in Cabinet. Andrew Little

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Speaker 3: is next nowhere we're going.

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Speaker 19: We ain't going over, but only that to Sevuity and Runny,

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Speaker 19: just you and me and a shout bad while like

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Speaker 19: a CALIFORNI can we could break it in if you

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Speaker 19: know what I mean.

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Speaker 8: Put some on back, Chevuity and run just sue me

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Speaker 8: and a shrug, good cat of fine game were good

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Speaker 8: break in, you know, put them on.

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Speaker 2: We do puts.

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Speaker 19: Some were to break in.

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Speaker 3: Ev put some Mason.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on Hither dup c Allen

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 5: That'd be good evening.

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Speaker 3: It is seven after five. Great to have your company

656
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Speaker 3: prepare for a defense heavy budget come made. The government

657
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: is openly saying we need a massive boost to the

658
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: military's funding. Currently we're at one point one percent of GDP.

659
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Speaker 3: That's five billion dollars a year. We could get as

660
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Speaker 3: high as two. It comes as these three Chinese Navy

661
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Speaker 3: ships conducted live firing exercises and the Tasman and Little

662
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Speaker 3: see former Defense Minister Andrew Good to have you on

663
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Speaker 3: the show. Glare right now you're a really good thing now,

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Speaker 3: Judith Collins and the government, they have to be careful

665
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Speaker 3: how they frame their response, but you don't anymore. How serious,

666
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Speaker 3: how significant is what they're doing in the Tasman Yeah,

667
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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 20: And this has been happening for a long time China.

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Speaker 20: As it's become economically more wealthy, it's become more powerful,

670
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Speaker 20: it's engaged in the world, but it's been building its

671
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Speaker 20: military at the same time as well as well. It

672
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 20: now has one of the largest navies in the world

673
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Speaker 20: and it's well equipped. And they do that to project

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Speaker 20: themselves and their power around the world, and they're doing

675
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Speaker 20: that in the Pacific at the moment. They do that

676
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 20: because they want to send the message to everybody that

677
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Speaker 20: they are here, that they're powerful, and they want to

678
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Speaker 20: use their influence.

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Speaker 21: We have to.

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Speaker 20: If we're not such a match for that, we can't

681
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Speaker 20: be We're not the size of China. We have to

682
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Speaker 20: be able to equip ourselves to work with others so

683
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Speaker 20: that we are a match for it. And we need

684
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Speaker 20: to make sure that our equipment is modern, up to

685
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Speaker 20: spec and works with our defense partners, whether it's the Australia,

686
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Speaker 20: the UK, the US or whoever.

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Speaker 3: You were working on this plan that we still haven't

688
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Speaker 3: actually got our hands on from this government, the fifteen

689
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Speaker 3: year Defense Plan. What are we actually if we're going

690
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: to spend billions more, which sounds it sounds like this

691
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: government is buttering us up for what do we actually

692
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Speaker 3: need to buy?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think.

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Speaker 20: I mean our maritime capability is obviously central where you

695
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 20: know we're in the south South Pacific. We've got to

696
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Speaker 20: be able to get around. We have a number of

697
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Speaker 20: ships at the moment that we can't creue properly. We

698
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 20: have to think about what we want. That probably means

699
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Speaker 20: new and different ships. The other thing is remote technology,

700
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Speaker 20: so being able to fly craft that are pilot listen,

701
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Speaker 20: what have you to get around our region to do

702
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 20: the surveillance sort of the sort of stuff that our

703
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 20: poseidon pates are doing, but at a simpler level and

704
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 20: in a that is more disposable because you know, there's

705
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Speaker 20: not carrying any people on it. I think a lot

706
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Speaker 20: of that remote technology is kind of where the future

707
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Speaker 20: as other defense forces around the world are equipping themselves

708
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Speaker 20: with that sort of stuff. So it's going to be

709
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Speaker 20: the new generation technology stuff that we need to be looking.

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Speaker 3: At realistically, is anyone going to invade New Zealand. I mean,

711
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Speaker 3: we would be helping others to fight at sea, really,

712
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Speaker 3: wouldn't we That would be our purpose.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think. I mean two things. What, we've never

714
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Speaker 20: been able to defend ourselves on our own, We've never

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Speaker 20: been in that position. We work with others to do that.

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Speaker 20: But there is an expectation that you know, we are

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Speaker 20: doing something, in fact, doing enough to provide some level

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Speaker 20: of defense. And then the other thing is that we

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Speaker 20: work with others to defend them and other parts of

720
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Speaker 20: the world. You know, we've supported Ukraine with training their troops.

721
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Speaker 20: We've been stationed in the Middle East for donkeys years

722
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Speaker 20: as a peacekeeping force. We do all those sorts of things.

723
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Speaker 20: So there's an expectation that we make a contribution around

724
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Speaker 20: the world to uphold the liberal, social democratic sort of

725
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Speaker 20: values that we've got.

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Speaker 3: Just finally, I think it's a little odd that we

727
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: have a problem in New Zealand with letting our allies,

728
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Speaker 3: as in the United States, come here with their warships

729
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Speaker 3: that are nuclear powered. Is that something you think we

730
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Speaker 3: need to look at. I mean, if we're going to

731
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Speaker 3: double our defense budget, surely looking at that would be

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Speaker 3: on the table.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I don't think well, I don't think there's any

734
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Speaker 20: appetite in New Zealand for any kind of nuclear capability.

735
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Speaker 20: It's not something we've been part of. And the realities,

736
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Speaker 20: although there is nuclear deterrence around, we haven't been part

737
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Speaker 20: of it. We've argued strongly about the morality of that.

738
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Speaker 20: We are very good at supporting others and engaging ourselves

739
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Speaker 20: in conventional warfare called conventional combat. I think that's where

740
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Speaker 20: our priority needs to be and we don't lose anything

741
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Speaker 20: by maintaining our nuclear free stance. We work closely with

742
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Speaker 20: the US and others and even nuclear submarines. Then you

743
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 20: know we'll continue to work closely with Australia.

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Speaker 3: All right, Andrew, thank you very much for your time.

745
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Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show. Andrew Littleby, former

746
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Speaker 3: Defense Minutes. The time is eleven after five. All of

747
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Speaker 3: it weird with Andrew Bailey today. As you have probably heard,

748
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Speaker 3: he has resigned as a minister. He showed inappropriate behavior

749
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Speaker 3: towards a staff member. Those are his words. Details scarce

750
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Speaker 3: what we know during what he called quote an animated discussion,

751
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: so not an argument, but an animated discussion. He placed

752
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Speaker 3: his hand on a staffer's upper arm, and we don't

753
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Speaker 3: know the sex of the staff are either, because they're

754
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 3: using the words there and them, which is also unusual.

755
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Speaker 3: He says. He apologized he regrets putting them in a

756
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Speaker 3: quote uncomfortable position. He refused to be interviewed today, but

757
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Speaker 3: he did front for a four minute press conference and

758
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Speaker 3: began with a prepared statement.

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Speaker 14: I am incredibly proud of the work we have achieved

760
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Speaker 14: together and I looked forward to continuing to serve the

761
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Speaker 14: people of Port wait Kado as their MP and been

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Speaker 14: involved in the work.

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Speaker 3: Of pun Someone asked him exactly what happened in wasn't

764
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Speaker 3: going there?

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Speaker 14: I touched their upper arm, and it's obviously a matter

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Speaker 14: that it's inappropriate, and that's why I've made the personal

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Speaker 14: decision to step down a as a minister.

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Speaker 3: He was asked again, it is.

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Speaker 5: It is what it is.

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Speaker 14: It is the fact that we had an animated discussion,

771
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Speaker 14: and the point is that at one point I put

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Speaker 14: my hand on their upper arm, and I've reflected on

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Speaker 14: it and I've made a decision.

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Speaker 3: Of course, this is the second incident in a few months.

775
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Speaker 3: There were the complaints over his behavior during the Winery visit,

776
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Speaker 3: remember that at the end of last year. But he

777
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Speaker 3: says that this particular situation is at first.

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Speaker 14: I've never I've never had anything like this happened before.

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Speaker 3: At the end of all of this, he was quite emotional.

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Speaker 14: To be honest, I would have had difficulty of doing

781
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Speaker 14: this interview over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 21: I've had to.

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Speaker 14: Talk my family and that's why I've made the decision,

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Speaker 14: and that's why we're announcing it today.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. He's gone, Andrew Bailey is gone,

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Speaker 3: and probably the Prime Minister will be happy about that,

787
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Speaker 3: because if you've got people running around, you know, doing

788
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Speaker 3: L shapes on their foreheads and touching their staff, it's

789
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Speaker 3: not a great looks At thirteen minutes after five on

790
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Speaker 3: news talks, he'd be by the way. Luxon is off.

791
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Speaker 3: It's a big week for trips, political trips. Luxeon is

792
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Speaker 3: off the to Arson in Vietnam. Winston is going to

793
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Speaker 3: South Korea. Rumors he's going to meet with the shipbuilders

794
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Speaker 3: and potentially try and get us a couple of knock

795
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Speaker 3: a few million off the break fee that we need

796
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Speaker 3: for the fairies and Starmer. Don't forget Starma from the

797
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Speaker 3: uk is off to Washington to try and be the

798
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Speaker 3: go between that he thinks he'll be between the United

799
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Speaker 3: States and Europe. Fourteen after five women come back. This

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge should.

816
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Speaker 3: Have a start in the Capitol over whether Booze should

817
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Speaker 3: be advertised to university students. I know, I thought they

818
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: were like peas in a pod. Bar owner Greg Wilson

819
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: has been handing out flyers to students with O Week

820
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: specials on them. But the Victoria University Students Association, yes,

821
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: the group that represents the students, didn't like it. Complained

822
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: to the council, who told Wilson that he can't target

823
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: students anymore. Greg Wilson is with me, Hi Greg today,

824
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Speaker 3: Ryan explain this madness to me.

825
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Speaker 13: Oh, look, so.

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Speaker 22: Every year we hand out fliers to the university students

827
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Speaker 22: that descend upon the city. Of course, Wellington being a

828
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Speaker 22: student city, think it's only right that we let them

829
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Speaker 22: know what's going on at the bars for OH Week.

830
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Speaker 22: We have musical bingo nights and trivia nights and so

831
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Speaker 22: themed parties of course during the Old Week. And so

832
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Speaker 22: we handed out the flies at university and they're not

833
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Speaker 22: too happy about it, coping up and down about it.

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Speaker 3: So you went on onto the campus. You went onto

835
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Speaker 3: the campus with some flyers. There was a disc what

836
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: was a discount, Yeah.

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Speaker 22: That was twenty five twenty four point nine percent discount.

838
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Speaker 22: That's the maximum we can advertise. So we had a discount,

839
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Speaker 22: and attached to that Ryan was that they had to

840
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Speaker 22: turn up before midnight. So the idea is to drive

841
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Speaker 22: the students into the bars before twelve o'clock where we

842
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Speaker 22: can better manage intoxication control in a in a controlled

843
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Speaker 22: environment and monetory they're drinking. Rather than being in a

844
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Speaker 22: flat and mount cock with a bottle of vodka, we

845
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Speaker 22: think it's better to have them in the earlier the

846
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Speaker 22: premises in the earlier evening.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, you had a party bus ready to go,

848
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Speaker 3: all right, so you're handed out and us on there

849
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Speaker 3: you get the complaint? Were you surprised to hear it

850
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: was actually from the student's association?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as far as be wildered, to be honest, bewildered.

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Speaker 3: What was the reasoning?

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Speaker 22: Well, they're saying they think it's a legal that would

854
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 22: too for us to be advertising to minors because some

855
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 22: of the students are under eighteen. Well a word say that. Oh,

856
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 22: the vast majority are at least eighteen. And in fact,

857
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Speaker 22: if you ask any parents in New Zelands where they'd

858
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Speaker 22: rather their eighteen year old daughter be drinking at a

859
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Speaker 22: flat and mount back or a mount cop or drinking

860
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Speaker 22: a licensed premise. Now I know what the answer is.

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Speaker 3: So the is it the council? So that the Students

862
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: Association goes to the Union, the UNI goes to the Council,

863
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Speaker 3: the council comes to you. So what exactly is the

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Speaker 3: council saying you can't do?

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Speaker 22: So the council have told us that we need to

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Speaker 22: stop handing up this fly as they're telling us it's

867
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Speaker 22: illegal for us to be promoting alcohol to these.

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Speaker 3: Students, okay, is that their job? Is that their job?

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Speaker 21: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 22: You've got so much bureaucracy, Ryan. Here in Wellington, it's

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Speaker 22: the home of bureaucracy. And one thing for sure, we're

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Speaker 22: not going to let bureaucrats run our businesses. And so

873
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Speaker 22: we'll take some legal advice on it because we want

874
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Speaker 22: to buy by the law and we always do on

875
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Speaker 22: our businesses. We run excellent hospitality outlets here in Wellington.

876
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Speaker 22: So we'll take some advice. See where it ends up.

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Speaker 3: Good luck, Greg, Greg Wilson, Wellington bar owner, just gone

878
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Speaker 3: twenty after five year on news talks bit. I'll tell

879
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: you what. There would be no counselor no maya that

880
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: could come between me and we go out to the

881
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: vodka when I was at the university, especially with twenty

882
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Speaker 3: five percent off. What a bargain News talks.

883
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Speaker 2: Hebe moving the big stories of the day.

884
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Speaker 1: For it's Ryan Bridge on hither do for see Ellen

885
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

886
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Speaker 3: News talks 'b five twenty three. Good evening. When it

887
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: comes to foreign investment, beggars can't be choosers. We've been

888
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: far too choosy on foreign investment. No to this, no

889
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: to that environment, this rima that you know the story.

890
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 3: We've won the prestigious award of the most restrictive country

891
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Speaker 3: in the OECD for foreign direct investment. We rank thirty

892
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Speaker 3: eighth out of thirty eight, which is kind of odd

893
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Speaker 3: if you think about it. Normally countries are stingy. They

894
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: don't want to give away any money. Right here, we're

895
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 3: the opposite. We're the first to tithe in the church

896
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Speaker 3: basket when some country wants aid or there's a climate

897
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Speaker 3: change fund to contribute to. Oh yes, yes please and

898
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: think you old definitely puts the money in for that

899
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Speaker 3: solar panel in the Pacific. We love it. But then

900
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: when people try to give us money, we say no.

901
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: We turn up our noses We're quite pious, quite virtuous,

902
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Speaker 3: and say no to things, which is odd. No to

903
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: that money. It's dirty. It's from a businessman. It's quite

904
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: an unusual thing. So quick to giveth but not to receiveth,

905
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Speaker 3: which is why today I just couldn't with Barbara Edmonds

906
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Speaker 3: from Labor opposing Seymour's changes to our laws that were

907
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Speaker 3: announced yesterday. She came out and said water assets would

908
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Speaker 3: be sold. And that's bad, she says, because they're strategically

909
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Speaker 3: important to the country. And if you read the cabinet paper,

910
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Speaker 3: which I did today, you will find that certain strategically

911
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Speaker 3: important businesses must undergo a national interest assessment before anything

912
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Speaker 3: goes further. So you look up in the legislation what

913
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Speaker 3: is a strategically important business and guess what you find.

914
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Speaker 3: The list includes ports, airports, electricity, telecom and wait for it,

915
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Speaker 3: water assets. So there are some restrictions Barbara Edmonds will find,

916
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Speaker 3: hopefully loose enough to move us from last place on

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Speaker 3: that friendly for investment list. Bryan Bridge twenty five minutes

918
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Speaker 3: after five, You're a newsbook, said B nine nine two

919
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Speaker 3: is the number to text. Would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the government has put out a press

921
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Speaker 3: release this afternoon, just while we've been on air. They

922
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Speaker 3: are asking for computation on the tax charity setting. So

923
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Speaker 3: Destiny Church, your sanitariums, they have a tax exemption and

924
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Speaker 3: the government is asking for feedback on exactly this. They've

925
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Speaker 3: put the policy out there and they want you to respond.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you what's in it a little later on

927
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Speaker 3: in the program. Also the Pope. So the Pope had

928
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Speaker 3: part of his lung taken out when he was much younger,

929
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Speaker 3: when he was I think twenty one years old. He's

930
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Speaker 3: still in a critical condition. He's still getting high flow oxygen.

931
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Speaker 3: He now has a new kidney problem, he's getting blood transfusions,

932
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Speaker 3: and the word on the street is that things aren't

933
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Speaker 3: looking very good. He's eighty eight years old, so he is,

934
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Speaker 3: you know, he's an old man. Quite controversial too, and

935
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Speaker 3: this will be interesting because they if sadly he does,

936
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Speaker 3: you know, leave this world, then they will have to

937
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Speaker 3: pick a new pope and do they go with someone conservative,

938
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Speaker 3: do they go with someone liberal. He was quite controversial.

939
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Speaker 3: He was a little liberal on things like abortion, somewhat

940
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Speaker 3: liberal on homosexuality, talked of potentially blessing what he called

941
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Speaker 3: irregular marriages, which is, you know, people remarrying or people

942
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Speaker 3: in the same sex relationship, which was very controversial as

943
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Speaker 3: you can imagine with the more conservative corners of the

944
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Speaker 3: Catholic Church. So we'll waiting to see what happens with that.

945
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Speaker 3: But yeah, at the moment, not looking too good for

946
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Speaker 3: the old Pope. Twenty seven after five, we'll talk to

947
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Speaker 3: police after news on the gang.

948
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Speaker 1: Crackdown, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

949
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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather du for se Ellen Drive

950
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: with One New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

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00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 3: That'd be twenty five minutes away from six year on

952
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: news talks, there'll be Nicola Willis as the Finance Minister.

953
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 3: She's with us after six. Much to discuss, including the fairies.

954
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Speaker 3: Apparently Winston's over in South Korea meeting with Fiondai, who

955
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Speaker 3: were going to make the fairies for us, and then

956
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: we canceled the contract. We did an inios on them.

957
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: We canceled a contract that we'd signed up to and

958
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: it could cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. So

959
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: the question is is Winston going over there to negotiate

960
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: an exit to the current deal that we've pulled out of.

961
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: Or is he going over there to negotiate a new

962
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Speaker 3: deal with the same ship maker for a different set

963
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Speaker 3: of boats. Anyway, we'll ask Nichola Willis she's with us

964
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Speaker 3: after six this evening now, lots of people texting in

965
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Speaker 3: about Andrew Bailey. Ryan, what a woke country. The MP

966
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: didn't abuse whomever. He just touched a shoulder for goodness sakes,

967
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Speaker 3: Get real, we have more import issues. The media should

968
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Speaker 3: be focusing its attention on twenty four minutes away from

969
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Speaker 3: six Bridge. We'll do that right now. The government is

970
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: crying about how well the gang patch ban is going.

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Speaker 3: Three months in three hundred and thirty seven charges for

972
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Speaker 3: breaching the Act. So far, sixty seven firearms have been seized.

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Speaker 3: Weirdly enough, they've only seized seventy six patches. Richard Chambers

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Speaker 3: is the Commissioner of Polices with me. Good evening, Hello, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: it's seventy six Now We've got about ten thousand gang

976
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Speaker 3: members on the register. That doesn't seem like a huge

977
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Speaker 3: number of patches to be seized.

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Speaker 2: To me, is it?

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Speaker 21: Well? I think there's a couple of reasons for that, Ryan.

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Speaker 21: First of all before the legislation began, we were very

981
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Speaker 21: very clear about what the rules were going to be

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Speaker 21: after the twenty first November. Our job is to enforce

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Speaker 21: the law, and my staff across the country had done

984
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Speaker 21: marvelous job, so gang members could have. Certainly, we're very

985
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Speaker 21: clear about our expectations of them, and so not only

986
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Speaker 21: am my staff very hard, but of course I think

987
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Speaker 21: when it comes to compliance with the law, this does

988
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Speaker 21: reflect some good decision making by game members by not

989
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Speaker 21: wearing their patches, So.

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Speaker 3: You reckon the reason you've only taken seventy six off

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Speaker 3: the streets is because they're actually wearing them less.

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, it's the feedback that I get from my front

993
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Speaker 21: line start afft's the feedback that I get from the public.

994
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 21: Of course, we've charged or prosecuted for over three hundred

995
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Speaker 21: breaches of this particular law of the Gang insignia, but

996
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Speaker 21: that includes seventy six patches. So there are other things

997
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Speaker 21: like T shirts and caps and other bits and pieces.

998
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 21: But yes, I believe that this comes down to the

999
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Speaker 21: hard work is myself across the country, and it's certainly

1000
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Speaker 21: been noticed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, sixty seven firearms you say that have been

1002
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Speaker 3: seized in the last three months.

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Speaker 13: Is that?

1004
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean, those have been seized regardless of the gang

1005
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: patch thing, the insignia.

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 21: I think, well, you know, I mean, of course, in

1007
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 21: law enforcement we do a whole lot of different things,

1008
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 21: and you know, we're doing search wants for other crimes,

1009
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Speaker 21: so we come across firearms just through our normal work.

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Speaker 21: But in this particular legislation if we are unable to

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Speaker 21: deal with gang and syne at time or allows us

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Speaker 21: to follow up with search points of premises, and as

1013
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 21: a consequence of that, yes, we are finding the firearms.

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Speaker 3: And other things.

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00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 21: That's why three thousand charges other charges for violence, drugs,

1016
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Speaker 21: and firearms.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, obviously these figures are about seizures and

1018
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: about things being taken from gang members. Is it actually

1019
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: having an effect? Are the streets safer because of this

1020
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 3: piece of law? Can you say that yet?

1021
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 21: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: It is the case.

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00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 21: Ryan, not only my front line staff saying that they

1024
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Speaker 21: see an absolute absence of gang insignia, but more importantly,

1025
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Speaker 21: the public is saying that they are actually feeling safer,

1026
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 21: They are experiencing the same intimidation that they have in

1027
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Speaker 21: the past. So I think this has been a good

1028
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 21: piece of legislation which my staff has embraced and the

1029
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Speaker 21: benefits of those things in public in the community across

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Speaker 21: the country.

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00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: You know, it's fascinating to hear you say that, because

1032
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago that people were saying this

1033
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: bill was the end of the world.

1034
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 21: You know, Correctret, I think there are a lot of

1035
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 21: people out there who thought the police can't do this,

1036
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 21: this won't be achieved. Well, I think we've proven those

1037
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 21: out there that thought that very wrong.

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Speaker 3: Richard Chambers, Police Commissioner, Thanks so much of your time.

1039
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: Twenty one to six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeast

1040
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: International Realty, local and global exposure like no other. Tricius

1041
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: and Shus and Willis pr is with us tonight. Hi Trish,

1042
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: Hello and Jose Pegani's CEO of Child Fund here too.

1043
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: Hi Jose, good to have you both on. Interesting, trist

1044
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: to hear the commissioner they talk about the fact that

1045
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: how all this thing's.

1046
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 23: Working sounds like it doesn't it, So it's interesting.

1047
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 24: It's one of those things. I was listening to it

1048
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 24: on the way to work this morning and thinking, you know,

1049
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 24: it's a bit like in New York where they did

1050
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 24: the broken windows focus. Remember when New York needed to

1051
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 24: clean up and they really focused on the small stuff.

1052
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 24: And I think that's probably the strategy that the police

1053
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 24: are trying to employ here, to really let the gangs

1054
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 24: know that they are watching them all the time. They

1055
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Speaker 24: won't be able to even put a toe over the line,

1056
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Speaker 24: and they've gone after what is pretty symbolic and important

1057
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Speaker 24: to the gangs, which is their patches. You know, there

1058
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Speaker 24: were a lot of naysayers around this when you know

1059
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 24: when the policy was announced, but it feels like it's

1060
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Speaker 24: got momentum and momentum in the right direction.

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00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: Josie, let's talk defense, because I will come to Andrew

1062
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 3: Bailey after the break, because I think Andrew Bailey is

1063
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: less important. But defense, defense, not about defense. Defense is

1064
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: quite yeah, in defense, defense is quite important. Trying to

1065
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: get to two percent of GDP, it's a hell of

1066
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: a lot of money that we're going to have to

1067
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: put in. I'm sure many, many, many budgets.

1068
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 23: It's about ten billion in total, right and you think

1069
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 23: that's a lot of hospitals, a lot of schools, a

1070
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 23: lot of roads, a lot of cycle ways, whatever you

1071
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 23: want to spend that money on. There is a trade off.

1072
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 23: But the truth is, when I look at it, Ryan,

1073
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 23: the only frigate that we've sunk in the last fifty

1074
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Speaker 23: years our own. So you know, we're not really in

1075
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Speaker 23: a very good position to defend ourselves. And we have to,

1076
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 23: I think, face the fact that there is a new

1077
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 23: era beginning. We're in totally new territory here. We cannot

1078
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 23: rely on our old alliance, our old Second World War

1079
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 23: alliance of the US. It's you know, back to Miter's right.

1080
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 23: The big country's carving up the little countries between them.

1081
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 23: So we do have to think strategically. And I know

1082
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 23: that a lot of our defense force in it, and

1083
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Speaker 23: you know, a lot of debate has gone on for

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Speaker 23: a long time, right, not just this government, but before

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Speaker 23: I think the approach has to be a little bit

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Speaker 23: like our approach to trade in the sense that we

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Speaker 23: need multiple different alliances. Right, we have to be really

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Speaker 23: careful I think of not suddenly shackling ourselves to a

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Speaker 23: very volatile US administration at the moment. Whatever your politics,

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Speaker 23: it's certainly volatile. Right, So August two, I don't think still,

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Speaker 23: I don't think is a good idea for us. They

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Speaker 23: are our natural allies, you know, the US, the UK,

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Speaker 23: Europe obviously, but there are other you know, we're a

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Speaker 23: good partner to NATO. NATO is one of the most

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Speaker 23: successful minutus out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting because I think if you go

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Speaker 3: back to Anas that we got the boot from because

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't let the nuclear powered warships come into our harbors.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about doubling defense spending trish to ten

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Speaker 3: billion dollars, surely we would look at that as a

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Speaker 3: way to curry favor with the US.

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Speaker 24: Well, there have to be some trade offs.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 24: The interesting thing. The interesting question for New Zealand though,

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Speaker 24: is did we misread this twenty five years ago? Because

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Speaker 24: I went back today and had a look at the

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Speaker 24: time when we were debating whether or not we should

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Speaker 24: have a jet fighter force for our air force, remember

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Speaker 24: that when we got rid of the Skyhawks. And then

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Speaker 24: there was a statement there from Phil Goff from the

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Speaker 24: Labor Party at the time, and he said, you know,

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Speaker 24: what we are focused on primarily is that it is

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Speaker 24: a priority for New Zealand to have peacekeeping as the

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Speaker 24: focus of deployment of our armed forces. And you think

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Speaker 24: about how we've shaped our defense forces over that last

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Speaker 24: twenty five years, it has been all about a peacekeeping role.

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Speaker 24: And to Josie's point, you know, no one could have

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Speaker 24: looked in the crystal ball and seen Trump coming. But

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Speaker 24: we can no longer count on the United States, and

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Speaker 24: in fact, we are going to have to try and

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Speaker 24: chart a very interesting defense policy with out the United

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Speaker 24: United States as a sort of a core pillar that

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Speaker 24: we can count on.

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Speaker 23: And oh, yes, sorry, carry on, I know, I was

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Speaker 23: just going to I was just going to say that.

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Speaker 24: You know, in my view, it is no accident that

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Speaker 24: the Chinese are now flexing there this image of their

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Speaker 24: muscle faces that they would never have done before. Totally

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Speaker 24: get that. It's it's you know, they apparently not doing

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Speaker 24: anything outside the law, but the timing of that is interesting.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, quick comments on that. You're right that we need

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Speaker 23: to do multiple things. Right, It's not just increase our

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Speaker 23: defense spending. If you look at the Cook Islands and

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Speaker 23: their new relationship with China, which is worried that Jesus

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Speaker 23: out of our government and everybody else, the response to

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Speaker 23: that is never going to be more defense spending. It's

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Speaker 23: going to be, well, why don't we spend the money

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Speaker 23: on helping the Cook Islands build a deep sea port

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Speaker 23: and looking at their mineral extraction or whatever. So there

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Speaker 23: has to be an increase in support for the Pacific.

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Speaker 23: That might be an increase in a budget.

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Speaker 20: I don't know.

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Speaker 23: I mean a saying that as an aid agency, but

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Speaker 23: you have to.

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Speaker 3: Look at more than just you can't just look at

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Speaker 3: defensive and I think I think everybody would acknowledge that point.

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Speaker 3: You would the news talk said be Trisha Shuson and

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Speaker 3: Josie Bugani on the Huddle tonight. We'll be back in

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Speaker 3: just a second to talk about Andrew Bailey.

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Speaker 3: Tris Shuson Huson Willis PR Josie Bigani's CEO of Child

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Speaker 3: Fun on the Huddle tonight, welcome back. So when is

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Speaker 3: a is an argument actually just an animated discussion? And

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Speaker 3: when you touch somebody on the shoulder are you shoving them?

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are the questions we're asking, but we

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Speaker 3: have no answers on the Andrew Bailey saga. Trish, what

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Speaker 3: is your reading of this? Just briefly? Do you is

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Speaker 3: this like he had one booboo. Second boo boo means

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Speaker 3: go time or do you think this is like a

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Speaker 3: serious thing.

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Speaker 23: Booboo sounds even more weirder.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, that was me.

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Speaker 23: Okay, if we did a booboo, he's definitely out.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, Well, a booboo or a gaff, I think, And

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Speaker 24: I mean, and that's the one thing about Bailey.

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Speaker 25: I think this is.

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Speaker 24: Probably why he resigned before he was pushed. I think

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Speaker 24: after the Marlborough wine issue last year, he probably didn't

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Speaker 24: have the support of the Prime Minister to back him

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Speaker 24: a second time. And I read a great comment actually

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Speaker 24: from Patrick Smelly this afternoon which I thought summed up

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Speaker 24: Andrew Bailey, you know, one of those guys successful in

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Speaker 24: business but not a very good professional politician. You know,

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Speaker 24: has struggled to communicate, clearly, has been a bit gaff prone,

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Speaker 24: has sort of had a way about him that, you

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Speaker 24: know at events that can kind of you know, make

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Speaker 24: people feel that you know, he's trying to be a

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Speaker 24: bit of a David Brent. So I think that's you know,

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Speaker 24: he probably just didn't have the backing of the Prime minister.

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Speaker 24: You know, Luxeon probably didn't want to burn political capital

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Speaker 24: a second time round to rescue him.

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Speaker 3: What would you bother?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean Patrick Smellie's piece was really good actually

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Speaker 23: because he pointed out he's done some good stuff Andrew Bailey.

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Speaker 23: He's helped to open the door to more New Zealand

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Speaker 23: investment in Keywi savor, he's tried to kind of go

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Speaker 23: for the growth growth growth mantra by removing regulations and

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Speaker 23: so on. So he's probably been quite useful for Luxon.

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Speaker 23: But yeah, I think you're right. This is just you know,

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Speaker 23: two strikes and you're out that. The weird thing is

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Speaker 23: that when they would do better to tell us what

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Speaker 23: actually happened, because I don't quite believe animated discussion. I mean,

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Speaker 23: you know that's a good night out, isn't it that

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Speaker 23: that's what we're having now on the huddle And I'm

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Speaker 23: not asking you to resign.

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Speaker 3: Now, so we is Is this one of those things though,

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Speaker 3: where that you know there'll be people and our animated

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Speaker 3: discussion Josie.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, you're reaching out to me is if you're going

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Speaker 23: to touch.

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Speaker 3: Me on the upper arm to just watch it right

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Speaker 3: and see you trembling, But that an animated discussion to

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Speaker 3: us might be to one of the producers out here,

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Speaker 3: the little woke trembling ones. Yeah, it might be something

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Speaker 3: quite different, do you know what I mean? So is

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Speaker 3: that one of these cases.

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Speaker 23: One man's one man's woke trembling is another man's animated

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Speaker 23: discussion at the point.

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Speaker 3: One man is touching the upper arm is another man's shovel.

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Speaker 23: If I could tell you how many people I've hugged

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Speaker 23: today at work, I would be arrested. Personal grievance, well

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Speaker 23: or the other thing it may be.

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Speaker 24: And this could be a positive thing that the bar

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Speaker 24: may have started to squeak up in terms of actually

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Speaker 24: what is acceptable in terms of parliamentary behavior. I mean,

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Speaker 24: Jose and I both worked in parliament as as young woman,

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Speaker 24: and you know sometimes you would leave offices not only

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Speaker 24: you know, having been sort of verbally shredded limb from limb,

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Speaker 24: but you know there might have been a touch or

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Speaker 24: two on the upper arm on the well through. But

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Speaker 24: I think I think the I think the bar is

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Speaker 24: now much higher and people are much more sensitive to it.

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Speaker 17: This is true.

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Speaker 3: Right, Let's move on to viewser This is the Victoria

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Speaker 3: University Students Association. Why do you think own a bar

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Speaker 3: on the campus? So the hypocrisy knows no bounds. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: they complained because a bar from outside campus came in

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Speaker 3: handed out flyers offering a discount for alcohol students on

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Speaker 3: O Week and apparently the Students Association has got a

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Speaker 3: problem with this. Is this just sound a bit mad

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Speaker 3: to you, Joseph.

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Speaker 23: I'm just looking forward to the government breaking up the

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Speaker 23: monopoly of the student union bar.

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Speaker 21: You know this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly this.

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Speaker 23: Is just a competition thing. Obviously you're going to be

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Speaker 23: promoting fun nights out in OH week to students.

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Speaker 3: This is this is weird and to think, Trish that

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Speaker 3: the council is now involved.

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Speaker 24: Oh well, this just confirms Wellington's reputation is a city

1243
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Speaker 24: of damp, woolen disappointment. I mean, it's a kind of

1244
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Speaker 24: helicopter parenting that's slowly shutting Wellington down. And Victoria, let's remember,

1245
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Speaker 24: is really struggling to attract students. I just thought the

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Speaker 24: comment from the student union leader in his complaint that

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Speaker 24: students will vulnerable to targeting by bars and at risk

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Speaker 24: of alcohol related harm by being in premises quote with

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Speaker 24: minimal pastoral and safety services. I had never been to

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Speaker 24: a bar in my life and ordered some pastoral services.

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Speaker 24: If I wanted that, I would whip down to the

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Speaker 24: local Methodist church.

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Speaker 3: Very good, well said, thanks guys, Joseph Beganni Trish Jesson

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZBB NEWSTALKSB just gone five away from six.

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Speaker 3: We've got retail sales out today for the quarter December quarter.

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Speaker 3: It was up. It's good and it's not great, but

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Speaker 3: it's good. Zero point nine percent. This is on the

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Speaker 3: September quarter to twenty five billion dollars modest number. Accommodation

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Speaker 3: was a big driver of this, up seven point six percent.

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Speaker 3: Electrical and electrical and electronic goods a five point one percent.

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Speaker 3: Otago on West Coast had the big jump in sales

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Speaker 3: for the December quarter, which is good for them. What

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Speaker 3: does this will mean for everybody, Well, we're a bit

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Speaker 3: more confident, we're swiping our credit card, just a little

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Speaker 3: bit more buying stuff, which is heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: It's just gone four to six now. So biggest apparently

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Speaker 3: biggest theft ever from a crypto exchange has happened. This

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Speaker 3: is on by bit and I've got their brightest minds

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Speaker 3: trying to solve the cyber crime. So somehow this is

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Speaker 3: the thieves managed to nick off with three billion New

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Speaker 3: Zealand dollars roughly worth of crypto coin. This is Dubai Base,

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Speaker 3: which is no surprise because there's a lot of shady

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Speaker 3: stuff that goes on and do buy. How my question

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Speaker 3: is if crypto currencies and bitcoin and all that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff is so safe and anonymized, I don't understand

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Speaker 3: how you would actually steal it. How do you steal

1280
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Speaker 3: bitcoin or a cryptocurrency? And is if you can steal it,

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Speaker 3: then surely can't be as safe as they play with us.

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Speaker 3: That would be my only thought. Three minutes away from six,

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Speaker 3: six year on news Talk said be coming up Shane

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Speaker 3: Solely on the retail sales Starter so Ryman's billion dollar

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Speaker 3: capital raised the German economy on the ropes. Manufacturing powerhouse

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Speaker 3: needs a reboot post election. We'll discuss that and Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray's in the UK for us right now. Nicola willis

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister. Good evening, Good evening, Ryn. Great to

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Speaker 3: have you on the show as always. Firstly, the defense

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Speaker 3: spending stuff. Obviously, the judicons was on the show Friday

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Speaker 3: said yeah, we want we basically want to get to

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Speaker 3: two percent. I mean that's going to take a few budgets,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 25: Yes, it will take a few budgets. What we're working

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Speaker 25: on is a defense capability plan that sets out what

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Speaker 25: are the big bits of kit, the big investments we

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Speaker 25: need to make to get our defense force ready, and

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Speaker 25: that will take us out to twenty forty. So it's

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Speaker 25: about what order you do things in, and it's about

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Speaker 25: increasing spending in every budget between now and then.

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Speaker 3: Right, So basically you'd try hit two percent by twenty

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Speaker 3: forty would be the goal.

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Speaker 25: Well, the exact date at which we hit two percent

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Speaker 25: is a decision for cabinets, so I won't get ahead of.

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Speaker 3: That fair enough. Does this all alter your new spending allowance?

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Speaker 25: Look, this is always something that I've been factoring in

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Speaker 25: as I've been thinking about how we put the budget together,

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Speaker 25: and I'm confident that we will be able to build

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Speaker 25: our defense capability while sticking to the fiscal commitments we've.

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Speaker 3: Made, which has remind two point three to two point four.

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Speaker 25: Billion, wasn't it two point two point four billion dollar

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Speaker 25: operating allowance?

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Speaker 3: So that will stay and will include a commitment to

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Speaker 3: defense and increased commitment to defense. That's right, Ryan, Okay,

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Speaker 3: and then every year thereafter I suppose the thing is,

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Speaker 3: do you know what you want to spend it on you?

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Speaker 3: Or are we arbitrarily increasing the number for the sake

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Speaker 3: of it?

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Speaker 25: Well, that's the great question, because that's exactly what we

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Speaker 25: didn't want to do, just commit to spending on whatever whenever.

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Speaker 25: So that's the detailed work that's been happening in the

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Speaker 25: background with the New Zealand Defense Force to be really

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Speaker 25: clear about what are the particular bits of kits that

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Speaker 25: will make us most useful to our ally Australia, that

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Speaker 25: will most be able to deliver the functions we want

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Speaker 25: in our part of the world. What do we need

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Speaker 25: for our workforce, what do we need for our infrastructure,

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Speaker 25: and what order should we do all of those things

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Speaker 25: in so that we do the most important priorities first

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Speaker 25: and roll that out in a way that's deliverable. Because

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Speaker 25: even if we had a magic money tree emerged tomorrow,

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Speaker 25: the Defense Force wouldn't be able to just suddenly purchase

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Speaker 25: a whole bunch of kit So we need to do

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Speaker 25: this in a way that's logical, reasonable and gets good value.

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Speaker 3: The Overseas Investment Act stuff. Barbara Edmans came out this

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Speaker 3: morning and said, well, she used the word fire sale

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Speaker 3: of our assets, and she also suggested that there'd be

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Speaker 3: problems with selling our water assets. Is that I've had

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Speaker 3: a read of the cabinet paper. It's very clear that

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Speaker 3: significant or strategically important businesses light Water would go through

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Speaker 3: a national interest test. So is this scare mungering or

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Speaker 3: what is this?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 25: Look, I was really shocked by the alarmist tone of

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Speaker 25: her press release and it actually made me think that

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Speaker 25: there's either ignorance at play or she's genuinely trying to

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Speaker 25: scare in New z Islander. Is because Barbara should know

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Speaker 25: that New Zealand has one of the most restrictive overseas

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Speaker 25: investment regimes in the world, and it's actually choking cash

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Speaker 25: out of our economy. It's making it harder for renewable

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Speaker 25: energy to be built, it's making it harder for new

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Speaker 25: factories to be built, it's making it harder for businesses

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Speaker 25: to access funding. And we're simply talking about streamlining the process,

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Speaker 25: making it fast, a less complex, making this a more

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Speaker 25: attractive people place for people to invest, while also very

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Speaker 25: much keeping in place protections around keyes yet's and very

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Speaker 25: much keeping in place the screening process to protect our

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Speaker 25: national security. So you know, when Chicken Little cries that

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Speaker 25: the sky is going to fall, it makes it harder

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Speaker 25: next time to take them seriously. And I think that's

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Speaker 25: the territory that Barbara's got itself into.

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Speaker 3: Will you ever tick do not return dividend on one

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Speaker 3: of these gen tailors. I spoke to Genesis on Friday.

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Speaker 3: They said, well you need to do is click do

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Speaker 3: not return dividend, reinvest it into new generation, and we'll

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Speaker 3: do just that.

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Speaker 25: I focus is what do I do to get cheaper

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Speaker 25: prices for New Zealand electricity users? And what do I

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Speaker 25: do about we've got secure electricity generation?

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Speaker 3: Would help right?

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Speaker 25: Well, that would raise a number of other questions about

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Speaker 25: how you would then make sure that that return dividend

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Speaker 25: actually ended up in your bank account and the bank

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Speaker 25: account of other New Zealanders with cheaper bills. And so

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Speaker 25: there'd be quite a few steps to go through to

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Speaker 25: make sure that we were confident that that money that

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Speaker 25: we were giving back to the gent tailor was actually

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Speaker 25: going to end up in cheaper electricity prices. So I'd

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Speaker 25: want to step through.

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Speaker 11: All of that first.

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Speaker 25: There is no question for me we need to do

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Speaker 25: more in this area to make sure that people are

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Speaker 25: getting a better deal out of our electricity system. And

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Speaker 25: we will have more to say about it actually in

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Speaker 25: the coming.

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Speaker 3: Days about are the electricity sector announcements you'll the sort

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Speaker 3: of raiser gang or the committee that's been looking at

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Speaker 3: that not raise a gang, forgive me. That's coming out

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Speaker 3: in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 25: The Competition Task Force will have more to say.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good to know now, Andrew Bailey is can you

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Speaker 3: help explain this to us because it seems odd like

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Speaker 3: he's a minister. One minute, he literally just touches the arm.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing aggressive going on, he says, what's going on there?

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Speaker 17: Well?

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Speaker 25: As he said today, concerns were raised with him about

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Speaker 25: an incident in which his behavior towards the staff member

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Speaker 25: was overbearing. He had those concerns animated as concerns communicated

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Speaker 25: to him. His reflection on that was that he had

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Speaker 25: taken the discussion too far, that he was wrong to

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Speaker 25: have placed his hand on their upper arm, that it

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Speaker 25: was inappropriate, and he made the decision that he hadn't

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Speaker 25: met the standards of behavior that he thinks should be

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Speaker 25: expected of a minister, offered his resignation and that has

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Speaker 25: been accepted.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the disaster insurance levy tell us we're not going

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Speaker 3: to be on the hook for another five or even

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Speaker 3: one thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 25: Well, this is yet to be decided. We're consulting on it.

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Speaker 25: The basic issue is, right now, we don't have enough

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Speaker 25: money in the kitty. If there was a major natural

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Speaker 25: has it a major earthquake? So this is the old

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Speaker 25: EQC and as it is, it only has five hundred

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Speaker 25: and fifty million in its kitty. And if there was

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Speaker 25: a big earthquake tomorrow, it would need two point one

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Speaker 25: billion to cover those initial costs before it could then

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Speaker 25: go out for reinsurance. So what has been consulted on

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Speaker 25: by David Seymour is how could we build that up

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Speaker 25: over time? Obviously we won't be able to do it overnight,

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Speaker 25: so that we actually can give New Zealand as confidence

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Speaker 25: that the government will have the money it needs when

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Speaker 25: the next big one strikes.

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Speaker 3: You're consulting on tax changes tax exemptions. I should say,

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Speaker 3: for the charities including the Lights of Destiny Church, you're

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Speaker 3: saying you would stop their exemption and we are asking

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Speaker 3: for us to see what we think about that is

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Speaker 3: that the gist of it.

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Speaker 25: Always have shed previously. My focus is, yes, you want good,

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Speaker 25: strong charities that are doing public good to be exempt

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Speaker 25: from taxation. That's a positive thing. But I'm concerned about

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Speaker 25: the fairness and integrity of that regime and I want

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Speaker 25: to avoid people avoiding tax.

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Speaker 21: That they should pay.

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Speaker 25: So we have canvassed a number of issues, the idea

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Speaker 25: of put out a discussion document to get feedback on.

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Speaker 25: One of them is this issue where charity businesses are

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Speaker 25: currently exempt from income tax and we're asking the question, well,

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Speaker 25: actually should they, in fact, if they're running a commercial

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Speaker 25: business be subject to income taxes. We're also looking at

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Speaker 25: this issue of donor controlled charities where a family potentially

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Speaker 25: have a foundation that they control and may not actually

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Speaker 25: be directly contributing to a charitable purpose. So there's a

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Speaker 25: number of detailed issues we want to get people's feedback

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Speaker 25: on should we fix these things? And as I say,

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Speaker 25: my focus is, it's got to be fair. It's got

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Speaker 25: to have integrity, because otherwise people doubt whether or not

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Speaker 25: those exemptions for charities should even be there in the

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Speaker 25: first place. And I think in most cases they should be.

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Speaker 25: But where there's bad behavior, we've got to give the

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Speaker 25: ID the tools it needs to.

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Speaker 5: Down on it.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Hey, just had a thought, lucks your bosses

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Speaker 3: off to Vietnam or he's potentially on a plane already.

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Speaker 3: And Winston Peters is overseas. Who's in charge of the moment.

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Speaker 25: David Seymour will be in charge of the acting Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, Minister, Nichola Willis's the Finance Minister

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Speaker 26: Good evening, Oh good, hey Brian, how you are?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good? Thank you? Does these stronger data we

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Speaker 3: got out today? This is the retail sales data up

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Speaker 3: point nine percent for the December quarter. Is that a

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Speaker 3: good Obviously it's a good sign. But is it good enough?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 26: Look at phase for you actually, sugge. You said a

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Speaker 26: little bit of upside for the New Zion economy. Retail

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Speaker 26: sales quite sensitive to interest rates, so a bit of

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Speaker 26: a lead for the economy. But we're going to be

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Speaker 26: careful when we break it down. Some of this might

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Speaker 26: be about retailers actually doing a bit of discount and

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Speaker 26: cunning some prices to get stock out. And certainly it's

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Speaker 26: all with some of the more sensitive pieces the recreational goods, electronics,

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Speaker 26: department stores. These are real sensitive to confidence and pricing

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Speaker 26: bearer up and accommodation of food and beverages up. Maybe

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Speaker 26: that's about tourism, so a little bit early, but you

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Speaker 26: certainly it's helpful.

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Speaker 20: It'suggest it certainly bounce along the bottom.

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Speaker 3: How bad is the spark situation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we have.

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Speaker 26: Yet to see the company come out with a strategy

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01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 26: that really is convincing investors that they are found the bottom,

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 26: that they're turning around. A little bit cyclical. It is

1515
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 26: about the economy. They are sensitive to you and I

1516
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 26: and our decisions to spend and what's happening with some

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 26: of the government changes.

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Speaker 21: But a little bit.

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Speaker 26: It's about what the company is doing. So we are

1520
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 26: looking forward to seeing a better strategy coming from the

1521
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 26: management team. There's an opportunity with data centers, but yeah,

1522
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 26: it's really about the company turning things around.

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Speaker 3: The retirement village operated the this is rhyme and healthcare.

1524
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: So they've announced this billion dollar capital right trying to

1525
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 3: get rid of some debt.

1526
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 26: Yeah, they're raising a billion dollars. Very much about getting

1527
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 26: debt levels point where they can deal with a slower

1528
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 26: period of sales. It's harder for them to sell their

1529
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Speaker 26: retirement units. In the board, management said, look, we need

1530
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 26: to take the balance sheet risk away, reset the business transformer.

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01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 26: I think you really importantly, it's a big goalp for

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 26: investors to digest. It has knocked the market around today.

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01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 26: We're seeing the New zeal market down one point on

1534
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 26: the back of this announcement. And a couple of soft

1535
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 26: results from Chorus the cable communications provider and see on tube.

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01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 26: But really for residents of Ryman, this should be seen

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01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 26: as being a positive that does allow Ryman to complete

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01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 26: some of the developments that curn't round away and continue

1539
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 26: to provide the service levels that residents expect. But yeah,

1540
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 26: a big hit on.

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Speaker 20: The day for the market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely sounds like it's Shane, Thanks so much for that,

1543
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 3: Shane Sally Harbor Asset Management with us on News Talk

1544
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 3: to B twenty one minutes after six. Lots more to come,

1545
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 3: including I'll tell you more about this fee that we

1546
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: are potentially going to have to pay. This is the

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 3: insurance levy that for natural disasters and things. It's some

1548
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: really interesting information on it, and basically it comes down

1549
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 3: to either we pay now or the government through our taxes,

1550
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 3: will pay in a lump sum when the next disaster

1551
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 3: strikes are running through that next.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and there's insurance and investments,

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01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: grow your wealth, protect your future newstalks V.

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Speaker 3: Six twenty six. Hope you're having a good Monday afternoon.

1556
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 3: So three proposals have been presented for the Western Springs Speedway.

1557
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: For those who don't know it, it's in gray LINN.

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01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 3: It's sort of an outlier in that area because there's

1559
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 3: a lot of fancy and sort of weird people in Grayland,

1560
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 3: aren't there the Republic, the Great Republic of gray Lin

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Speaker 3: And then you've got this speedway where you know, some quiet,

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01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 3: hectic racing takes place. Anyway, that will be no more

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01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 3: and so what will replace it is the question. And

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 3: the council's looking at this and stuff's got a story

1565
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 3: out saying on Wednesday the Council is going to be

1566
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: presented with some options, three different options. But it's interesting

1567
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 3: in here they talk about Auckland's stadia generally and the

1568
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Speaker 3: state of them and what we actually need. Auckland needs

1569
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 3: three stadiums. A main stadium capacity thirty thousand to sixty thousand.

1570
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 3: They say this could either be Eden Park or it

1571
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 3: could be the one downtown on the waterfront that everyone

1572
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 3: wants to build. Then they need a medium sized stadium,

1573
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Speaker 3: which would be Mount Smart that's tenenty to twenty five thousand,

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01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: and then thus is suggesting this boutique stadium with a

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01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 3: capacity of eight to ten thousand, and that one would

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01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 3: potentially go to Western Springs, so you'd have three stadiums

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: of varying sizes, and they envisage that you would see

1578
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Speaker 3: in the big one the All Blacks tests, the Super

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01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 3: Rugby and the Warriors playoff games only. And then in

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01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 3: the medium stadium he said, this is out at Mount

1581
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 3: Smart you would get your regular Blues and your regular

1582
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 3: Warriors games, also some high profile Auckland FC games, and

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: at this boutique thing you would get the A League matches,

1584
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: the regular ones, the Black Ferns test, the NPC games

1585
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 3: and the Super Rugby O Picky and the NRLW games,

1586
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: black Caps test domestic cricket. So it's kind of an

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 3: interesting thing to think about what exactly happens with all

1588
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 3: of that. I guess is you know, well, we'll find

1589
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 3: out after Wednesday, presumably News Talk ZB. It is twenty

1590
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: seven minutes after six coming up after the news, where

1591
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: well plenty on we're going to talk about the German economy,

1592
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: just how bug it is it and what are they

1593
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 3: need to do to pull it out of you know,

1594
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:46,879
Speaker 3: pull their socks up over in Germany. Oliver Hartwitch next.

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01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the business hour and mas insurance

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01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: and investments, grew your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: News talks B.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm filling with free You told me twenty five away,

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01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 3: Brohm seven, you're o news talks at B. So quickly

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01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 3: running through what's happening with the insurance situation, we could

1602
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 3: be facing bills of anywhere between an extra one hundred

1603
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 3: dollars to maybe even one thousand dollars a year, depending

1604
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: on what happens with this. It used to be that

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01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 3: known as the EQUC levy. It's now the Natural Hazards

1606
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 3: Insurance levy. Anyway, it's tacked onto your insurance premiums for

1607
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: your house, and the government's consulting on changes to it.

1608
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 3: The problem is, so it's up that plus the other

1609
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 3: fee that they charge potentially up to an extra one

1610
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year onto your budget. The problem here

1611
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: is that the fund is running basically dry. There is

1612
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: a thirty seven percent chance of it meeting its costs

1613
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 3: in the future, which is not a great number. It

1614
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: so the fund covers a capped portion of buildings and

1615
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: land that have been damaged by earthquakes, landslides, volcanoes, tsunamis, storms,

1616
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. So either we pay more as

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 3: we go or the government is going to have to

1618
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 3: front up next time there is a big storm, next

1619
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 3: time there is a big tsunami or an earthquake. And

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01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 3: you know that day will come twenty four away from

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01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 3: seven Ryan Bridge. So Germany is on the road to change.

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01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 3: The Christian Democrats got the highest share of the vote,

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01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 3: with a tech over twenty eight percent. The far right

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01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 3: the AfD, got their best of a result with a

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Speaker 3: twenty percent share, but they won't enter government, as they

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 3: say to you. Who's ruled them out as a coalition partner.

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Speaker 3: The New Zealand executive director, sorry, New Zealand Initiative executive

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01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: director is Oliver Hart. Which he's with me. He's an

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Speaker 3: expert on European and Gyman politics. Good evening, Oliver, good evening,

1630
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 3: thanks for being with me. I want to talk about

1631
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: the German economy, massive manufacturing powerhouse, third largest economy in

1632
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 3: the world, but is facing some real headwinds and selling

1633
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 3: it basically its cars to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and that's not the only problem the German economy faces.

1635
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 5: It's also an economy facing massive bureaucracy costs and of

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01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 5: course massive energy costs because it was an economic model

1637
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 5: that was based on cheap energy, cheap energy imports from Russia.

1638
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: And of course with the Ukraine War that ended, and

1639
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 5: then of course the Chinese took over the large part

1640
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 5: of the German car manufacturer's market and that was it.

1641
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 5: And so Germany has been struggling ever since. And that

1642
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 5: was one of the reasons why the outgoing government was

1643
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 5: so unpopular in the end.

1644
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Speaker 3: And Germans, Germany is not used to struggling in recent years,

1645
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 3: is it.

1646
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 5: Well, the last time Germany struggled was about twenty years ago,

1647
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 5: when unemployment reached five million people in two thousand and three,

1648
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 5: two thousand. Then they had some economic performance in the

1649
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 5: labor market and the next twenty years basically went thinningly.

1650
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 5: More recently, of course, from all the other geopolitical factors

1651
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 5: are starting to buy it for the Germans. And as

1652
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 5: I said, this is one of the explanations for the

1653
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 5: rights of the AfD.

1654
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: So what do they do about it, because you've got,

1655
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 3: as you said, the energy situation. Well, hopefully we'll have

1656
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 3: a resolution to the war in Ukraine, which will help

1657
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 3: you alleviate some of that, but the bureaucracy, obviously you

1658
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: can cut some of that. What do they have to

1659
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 3: do and can they do it? Was whoever they might

1660
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: manage to form a government with.

1661
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Speaker 5: Well, they obviously have to work on deregulation and getting

1662
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 5: rid of the bureaucracy, which is a massive problem for Germany.

1663
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 5: They have to do something about the energy market because

1664
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 5: the cheap Russian guests will not come back. Even at

1665
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 5: the end of the Ukraine War, and keep in mind

1666
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 5: that they also faced out nuclear power right in the

1667
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 5: middle of the wars. Well, that was probably not the

1668
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 5: wisest decision to take. So they have to work a

1669
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 5: lot on the economic front. But they also have to

1670
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 5: do on top of that, is they have to re

1671
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 5: arm because the German armed forces are in a sorry

1672
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 5: state and with the current uncertain geopolitical landscape, Germany has

1673
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 5: to invest a lot more in its defense. So there

1674
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 5: are many many challengers waiting for the next and most

1675
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 5: likely new Chancellor British mats And he has never had

1676
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 5: an executive role in his whole career. At sixty nine,

1677
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 5: He's been an MP for a long time. He's an

1678
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 5: experienced lawyer, but this is the first time that he

1679
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 5: actually takes an executive job in government, and so that

1680
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 5: would be interesting to see how he adjusted that.

1681
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 3: Did Angelo Miraicle make some pretty big fatal errors in

1682
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 3: relying on that guess from Russia and also on migration.

1683
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 5: Yes, she made some massive errors on guests. She also

1684
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 5: made some massive errors when comest migration, opening the boarders

1685
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 5: to a massive wave of refugees in twenty fifteen. And

1686
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 5: again this is another explanation for the vice of THEFD,

1687
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 5: because the AfD was the party that made it its

1688
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 5: main topic really over the last ten years, to fight

1689
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 5: against this rise of asilent seekers and refugees, to the

1690
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 5: point actually where sixty eight percent of Germans and recent

1691
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 5: polls said that they thought the level was where divine

1692
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 5: should be reduced. And so all of this and the

1693
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 5: unwillingness of the existing parties to tackle any of these

1694
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 5: issues explains why the AfD became such a strong party

1695
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 5: in yesterday's election.

1696
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: Do you believe me as when he says he won't

1697
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 3: touch the AfD, do you think he would break that blockade?

1698
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 5: I totally believe him on that because he has actually

1699
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 5: positioned himself very clearly on that what he was trying

1700
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 5: to do, especially over the past few weeks, was to

1701
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 5: rob the AfD of its lifeblood by basically tackling the

1702
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 5: problems that many other German politicians on the center right

1703
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 5: had so far refused to even talk about. He tried

1704
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 5: to actually rob the AfD some of the percentage points.

1705
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 5: That may not have worked in the short run, as

1706
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 5: he could see in the election result yesterday, but I

1707
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 5: think in the long run this is probably the only

1708
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 5: chance that his party has to actually regain some of

1709
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 5: the territory that over the past ten years lost.

1710
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 3: Can you explain how his party is going to work

1711
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: basically basically going to have to work with al of

1712
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 3: Schultz's party that they you know, more left wing party

1713
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 3: that's in government and coalition at the moment. How does

1714
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: that work?

1715
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 5: Not very interesting to see, But then again Germans are

1716
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 5: used to having relatively unusual coalitions. In mind by New

1717
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 5: Zealand's then that's what we're talking about, is a coalition

1718
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 5: of National and Labor, except National would have twenty eight

1719
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 5: percent in Labor sixteen. So this is roughly just to

1720
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 5: put it in context into context, this is what the

1721
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 5: Germans have to deal with. But then again, they've had

1722
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 5: very unusual constellations in government before. I mean, think of

1723
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 5: the outgoing government was a coalition of the Social Democrats,

1724
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 5: the Greens and the FTPS about New Zealand standards that

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Speaker 5: have been Labor Act and the Greens together. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it was one of the reasons why it probably didn't

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Speaker 5: work any end because it was such an unusual coalition.

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Speaker 5: But there is a tradition of having unusual coalitions. And

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Speaker 5: it's not the first time, of course that we get

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Speaker 5: this so called grand coalition. I mean, it's happened in

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Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties before, it happened for most of the

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Speaker 5: time that Angela Marck was Chancellor. Saw this is just

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Speaker 5: another kind of grand coalition and they have been there before.

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Speaker 3: Oliver, thank you very much for that. Oliver Hartwitch, who's

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand Initiative executive Director. Interesting, that, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know. Maybe one day our MMP system

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 3: will mature in such a way that that will be

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Speaker 3: entirely possible too, because if you think about Labor and National,

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01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 3: if you think about all the parties in Parliament, the

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Speaker 3: two that are probably the most closely aligned would be

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01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 3: Labor and national, wouldn't it. I mean, look at their budgets.

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 3: The budgets are almost identical. They're borrowing. Nicola Willis is borrowing,

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01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 3: you know, more than Grant Robertson did. Yeah, I mean,

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01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: obviously they're going to rain it in an over a

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01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 3: longer period of time. Blah blah blah. But it probably

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Speaker 3: happened one day eighteen away from seven. We're in London,

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Speaker 3: next micro.

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Speaker 2: Microbe or just plain economics.

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Speaker 3: These talk said, it's called the seven time to go

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Speaker 3: to Devin Gray. You can europe correspondent givin good evening

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Speaker 3: to you Ei. They right, Hey, let's talk about what's

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Speaker 3: happening in Spain right now. Police have arrested forty eight

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Speaker 3: people listening connection with a suspected human trafficking ring.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, and a massive one at that. The allegations are

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Speaker 27: that they have lured more than a thousand women to

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01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 27: the country for sex work. The Polincia Nacional the Armed

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01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 27: Officers Section, carried out raids across Alacanti and Murcia, that's

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01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 27: the southeast of the country. It's said that they found

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01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 27: evidence that the women, who were mostly from Venezuela and Colombia,

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01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,839
Speaker 27: were basically told they would be given jobs in beauty

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Speaker 27: salons or cleaning jobs. However, once they got to Spain,

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Speaker 27: they were then forced into the sex trade and only

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Speaker 27: allowed out for a couple of hours a day and

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Speaker 27: kept under constant video surveillance. Two Colombian women and a

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Speaker 27: Spaniard have are among the dozens that have been detained,

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Speaker 27: and then three strip clubs have also been shut down.

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Speaker 27: Officers have seized about two million New Zealand dollars from

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Speaker 27: bank accounts and also in cash and now the suspects

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01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,799
Speaker 27: have been remanded in custody and will appear in court shortly.

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Speaker 3: All right, this British couple in their seventies so arrested

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Speaker 3: by the Teleiban in Afghanistan. What were they doing?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, it's very very unusual. So the couple met at

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01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 27: the University of Bath in the UK. However they got

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Speaker 27: married in Afghanistan and they run projects, including some for

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01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 27: training mothers and children. So they run educational projects.

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Speaker 3: And particularly for girls older and well.

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Speaker 27: Sorry, the Taliban to be clear, RN have banned women

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Speaker 27: working and they've also banned an education on girls older

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Speaker 27: than the age of twelve. So this pair really setting

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Speaker 27: up education for young mothers is treading a very fine line,

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Speaker 27: and they kept adapting the courses. The courses that they

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01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 27: were running were accepted by the local branch of the Taliban. However,

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Speaker 27: as they were going home, they were detained. The man

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Speaker 27: is seventy nine years old, the woman is seventy five

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Speaker 27: years old, and they were returning to their home in

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Speaker 27: Bamiyam when they were detained. For the first couple of

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Speaker 27: days of their detention, they were still in touch with

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Speaker 27: their daughter via phone, but then all of a sudden

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01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 27: that communication has stopped, and that stopped off fortnight ago,

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Speaker 27: and the daughter's very concerned, particularly as their father needs

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01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 27: some drugs for his poorly heart. So they're very very

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01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 27: concern about this. The foreign officers it's a whare to

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01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 27: have been detained, but say that assistance is limited because

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Speaker 27: the UK does not recognize the Taliban, has no embassy

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Speaker 27: in car Bull and this couple, who everyone says are

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Speaker 27: a lovely couple trying to do good in Afghanistan for

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Speaker 27: a country that they loved, and how to being detained

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Speaker 27: by the Taliban.

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Speaker 3: It's a sad case. But also at the same time

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01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 3: they would have not knowne and understood exactly the risk

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01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: that they were taking. Surely, you know, you would have thought, yeah, hey,

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Speaker 3: what is up with these QR codes in Munich and Germany.

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Speaker 27: Nobody knows. So one thousand stickers have been placed on

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Speaker 27: different graves, one per grave at three cemeteries in Munich,

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Speaker 27: that's the south of Germany. The stickers have got QR codes,

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01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 27: and they've been put on both old and recent graves,

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01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 27: scattered around, not in particular blocks, and they've got a

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01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 27: QR code that when you'll read it and when you

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01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 27: scan it is the name of the person buried and

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Speaker 27: the location of their grave in the cemetery.

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Speaker 3: Reading.

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Speaker 27: Of course, the words on a gravestone can be tricky

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01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 27: because of the moss and algae that builds up on

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01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 27: these things. But these small stickers three and a half

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01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 27: centimeters by five surfaced in recent days at these three cemeteries,

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01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 27: and nobody claims to have put them there, and nobody

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01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 27: knows what they're for. Police are investigating the incident. There

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Speaker 27: is a course of fear, particularly in Germany, that there

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01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 27: might be targeting of the Jewish graves or graves from

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Speaker 27: particular eras. But yeah, nobody knows what these QR codes

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01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 27: and yet they look very formal, very sort of officially

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01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 27: printed and actually do link to some solid information, but

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01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 27: obviously loved ones haven't given their permissions for them, so they're.

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Speaker 2: All a bit at a loss.

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Speaker 3: Very weird indeed, Deevin, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 3: Devin Gray are UK and Europe Correspondent's gone tin away

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Speaker 3: from seven on news Talks.

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01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 3: News TALKSB eight minutes away from seven. I was reading

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01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 3: an article in the Guardian, I think it was The

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01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 3: Guardian the other day, and I don't mind admitting to

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01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 3: you that I was jealous, jealous and and economic. It

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01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 3: was economic jealousy of Denmark. And there was a really

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01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 3: interesting article that talked about Nova. Noticed this is the

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Speaker 3: company that makes the skinny drugs like your Way Go

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01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 3: Vis and what's the other one called the main one

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01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 3: that all of the young celebrities are on, all of

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01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,560
Speaker 3: the Real Housewives and everything. They're all on ozenpic. So

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Speaker 3: this is the company behind that and it's based in Denmark.

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01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 3: It's a pharmaceutical company. Anyway, Their pre tax profit was

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01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 3: thirty billion dollars, up twenty two percent. Their patients get

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01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 3: skinny and their profits get fat, like morbidly obese fat.

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01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 3: That's how big their profits are. So they're creating an

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 3: absolute boon for the Danes and it's a great story

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01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 3: for them. Really. It is so with the town where

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Speaker 3: it's produced. This is a great article. Just list some

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 3: of the flow on effects there. For the smally town

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Speaker 3: in Denmark, the petrol station, they roased thirty kilograms of

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01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,879
Speaker 3: pork to make sandwiches every morning. Now all these craftsmen

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01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 3: that come in like the pork sandwiches, they say. The

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01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: local supermarket has seen sales increase fivefold. The fast foods

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01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 3: store sold seventeen thousand hot dogs and a month to

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01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 3: hungry construction workers because they're building more factories. Denmark's GDP

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01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 3: is one of the fastest growing in Europe. Half of

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01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 3: that half of their GDP is from pharmaceutical companies. Two

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Speaker 3: thirds of Mark's. Denmark's GDP growth came from just four areas.

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01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 3: For burrows all share one thing in common, where Nova

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01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 3: nor Disk premises are located. That's the fat drug, skinny drug.

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Speaker 3: I was telling you about this earlier. You know all

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Speaker 3: of the flow on effects from this, the taxes, and

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Speaker 3: it's interesting when you come down. I'm no communist, but

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Speaker 3: you come down and you read what is going on

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Speaker 3: in Denmark. They've got MRSK, they've got the big brewer,

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Speaker 3: they've got Lego, the toy maker, and they've got Novo Nordisk.

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01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 3: They are all owned partly owned by charitable foundations. They

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01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 3: have this model over there that they think keeps the

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01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 3: businesses local, stops them from being sold off early on.

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01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 3: What's more, they now have the largest philanthropic foundation in

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Speaker 3: the world. And guess what they're putting their money into. Yes,

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01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 3: you guessed that. Educational campuses have sprung up. They've got

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Speaker 3: a science and innovation hub, they're training students and they're

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Speaker 3: coming up with new pharmaceutical drugs. So it's a self

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01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 3: fulfilling prophecy. Anyway, I'm jealous of them. What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Answers out was wow.

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Speaker 28: I was going to say, so, like half their economy

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01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 28: is dependent on these weight loss drugs. They're stuffed. If

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01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 28: we all just learn how to diet and exercise aren't they,

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01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 28: which means they're fine.

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01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 3: Fine, we're a hard dog to train her.

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Speaker 28: License to print money.

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Speaker 4: That one.

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Speaker 28: Rihanna snm to play us out tonight. She has shut

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Speaker 28: down some speculation. It's since it's been so long waiting

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01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 28: for this album, the theories are just getting wilder and wilder. Basically,

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01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 28: but the next album. Some people were talking about she

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01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 28: was going to make a reggae album for the next album,

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Speaker 28: but she has outright said no, that is absolutely way off.

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Speaker 28: There is no genre for the album right at the moment,

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01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 28: which says to me that there probably isn't an album

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01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 28: just getting She still has a bit more to work on,

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Speaker 28: but that's okay. We can wait. In the meantime, it's

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Speaker 28: a m by Rihanna to play us out.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks for all your emails and

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Speaker 3: your feedback. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 29: Tom, I love the fee crison me me is exactly.

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Speaker 10: Boggain mixed me a buon money name the well nest

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Speaker 10: see last name.

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Speaker 29: Let's stramm.

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