1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,147 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB had a. 3 00:00:13,067 --> 00:00:17,387 Speaker 2: Song by Frankievellick. Wellington Phoenix take on Wrexham AFC next 4 00:00:17,427 --> 00:00:21,187 Speaker 2: month at Sky Stadium. It's just on fourteen pass to 5 00:00:21,307 --> 00:00:24,947 Speaker 2: a strong qualifying performance from Liam Lawson ahead of tomorrow's 6 00:00:25,067 --> 00:00:28,427 Speaker 2: Austrian Formula One Grand Prix the Key. We will start 7 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:30,707 Speaker 2: from sixth on the grid, the best of the four 8 00:00:30,747 --> 00:00:34,547 Speaker 2: red ball back drivers after igning champion Max for stapp 9 00:00:34,587 --> 00:00:37,547 Speaker 2: And had to settle for seventh fastest. His final lap 10 00:00:37,627 --> 00:00:40,227 Speaker 2: was ruined by a late yellow flag. It is Liam 11 00:00:40,267 --> 00:00:43,987 Speaker 2: Lawson's best qualifying effort of the season, beating his starting 12 00:00:43,987 --> 00:00:45,867 Speaker 2: spot of ninth at the Monaco Grand Prix. 13 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:47,667 Speaker 3: We've done a lot of work on the car and 14 00:00:47,827 --> 00:00:49,267 Speaker 3: on my side as well, just to make it more 15 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:51,427 Speaker 3: comfortable for me, and it's been there, it just hasn't shown. 16 00:00:51,587 --> 00:00:54,227 Speaker 3: So it's nice to to show it today, but obviously 17 00:00:54,307 --> 00:00:55,147 Speaker 3: tomorrow is also. 18 00:00:55,067 --> 00:00:55,747 Speaker 4: The important day. 19 00:00:55,907 --> 00:00:58,587 Speaker 2: It's also the first time since Saudi Arabia in mid 20 00:00:58,627 --> 00:01:02,067 Speaker 2: April that Liam Lawson has outqualified his racing balls teammatee 21 00:01:02,067 --> 00:01:06,467 Speaker 2: Isaac Hadger, who could only manage thirteenth fastest Mclair, Ore 22 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:08,547 Speaker 2: and Lando and Norris on pole ahead of Charla Clair 23 00:01:08,587 --> 00:01:11,427 Speaker 2: and the Ferrari, the other McLaren of Oscar Pastre Lewis 24 00:01:11,427 --> 00:01:14,547 Speaker 2: Hamilton fourth and the second Ferrari. Then George Russell fifth 25 00:01:14,587 --> 00:01:18,467 Speaker 2: for Mercedes and Liam Lawson sixth on the grid. Now 26 00:01:18,547 --> 00:01:22,547 Speaker 2: Formula one expert is the New Zealand heralds Alex Powell, who, 27 00:01:22,667 --> 00:01:25,547 Speaker 2: after having a I'm going to get you to put 28 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:27,387 Speaker 2: him to air for me if you could, Mark, who's 29 00:01:27,547 --> 00:01:30,347 Speaker 2: had a late night or a very early morning covering 30 00:01:30,387 --> 00:01:34,547 Speaker 2: the race, but is able to chat to us. Now, 31 00:01:34,587 --> 00:01:37,787 Speaker 2: Alex talk us through what Liam did really well in qualifying. 32 00:01:38,787 --> 00:01:40,547 Speaker 5: I mean it's hard to say why he did well 33 00:01:40,587 --> 00:01:42,707 Speaker 5: and nailed down to one per sick thing. He definitely 34 00:01:42,707 --> 00:01:44,547 Speaker 5: did some hot chips for the way he's driven sort 35 00:01:44,587 --> 00:01:47,267 Speaker 5: of all week and it has been a very tight field. 36 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:49,627 Speaker 5: I guess what he did was he just didn't make 37 00:01:49,667 --> 00:01:51,627 Speaker 5: any mistakes and he had everything go as way. Like 38 00:01:51,667 --> 00:01:53,587 Speaker 5: I came on your show a couple of weeks ago 39 00:01:53,587 --> 00:01:55,587 Speaker 5: before Canada and we spoke about how he just needs 40 00:01:55,627 --> 00:01:58,227 Speaker 5: things to go his way and they just don't. And 41 00:01:58,267 --> 00:02:00,467 Speaker 5: then the two times they haven't been Monaco in Austria 42 00:02:00,467 --> 00:02:01,707 Speaker 5: where he's quite five in the top ten. 43 00:02:01,987 --> 00:02:05,347 Speaker 2: Are you starting to see the benefit of time behind 44 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:07,507 Speaker 2: the racing wheel for Liam? 45 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:11,547 Speaker 5: I think absolutely you are getting there. I don't think 46 00:02:11,587 --> 00:02:14,507 Speaker 5: Liam Lawson has been as bad as what has been 47 00:02:14,507 --> 00:02:16,787 Speaker 5: put out there, Like we seem to have this almost 48 00:02:16,867 --> 00:02:19,307 Speaker 5: vampiric need for him to these scoring points every weekend. 49 00:02:19,387 --> 00:02:21,467 Speaker 5: But the issue has been that his teammate Isaac Hadger 50 00:02:21,667 --> 00:02:24,267 Speaker 5: has just been flying, you know. So you look at 51 00:02:24,267 --> 00:02:26,747 Speaker 5: where they are in the Constructor's Championship and that Racing 52 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:29,787 Speaker 5: Bulls car probably is about six best. So results of 53 00:02:29,827 --> 00:02:32,147 Speaker 5: eleventh and twelfth are basically where they should be. 54 00:02:33,107 --> 00:02:35,547 Speaker 2: It's wonderful use of the word vampiric. I don't think 55 00:02:35,547 --> 00:02:37,507 Speaker 2: I've ever heard that on the radio before, so I 56 00:02:38,187 --> 00:02:40,667 Speaker 2: make a note of that word and use it often 57 00:02:40,707 --> 00:02:43,707 Speaker 2: from here on in. So I guess now the challenge 58 00:02:44,187 --> 00:02:47,667 Speaker 2: is to stay there when the race is underway tomorrow, 59 00:02:48,147 --> 00:02:50,667 Speaker 2: talk to us about this course, Alex. How challenging will 60 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:54,027 Speaker 2: it be for Liam to hold sixth spot or how 61 00:02:54,347 --> 00:02:55,987 Speaker 2: likely or not is it that he could even move 62 00:02:56,067 --> 00:02:56,867 Speaker 2: up from that position. 63 00:02:57,907 --> 00:03:00,067 Speaker 5: It's going to be tricky. Like I said that the 64 00:03:00,187 --> 00:03:02,947 Speaker 5: Racing Bulls car is not as fast as you know 65 00:03:03,107 --> 00:03:05,187 Speaker 5: the other ones around him, especially when he's got max 66 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:07,187 Speaker 5: A stepping behind him, and seven the staff is going 67 00:03:07,267 --> 00:03:08,827 Speaker 5: to be like a volcano and to turn one just 68 00:03:08,867 --> 00:03:11,907 Speaker 5: exploding all over the place. I think the thing that 69 00:03:11,947 --> 00:03:13,547 Speaker 5: really could go in and stay with though, is the 70 00:03:13,587 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 5: track has been very hot, and like we saw in Canada, 71 00:03:16,547 --> 00:03:18,947 Speaker 5: when it is that hot, you can't really be too 72 00:03:18,987 --> 00:03:21,187 Speaker 5: aggressive on your tires. So we saw, you know, in 73 00:03:21,227 --> 00:03:23,107 Speaker 5: Canada a couple of weeks ago and Lawson qualified down 74 00:03:23,147 --> 00:03:25,907 Speaker 5: in nineteenth. He was really stuck and having to try 75 00:03:25,907 --> 00:03:27,987 Speaker 5: and push to get higher up while managing what he's 76 00:03:27,987 --> 00:03:30,627 Speaker 5: gone underneath him. But now that he's in six he 77 00:03:30,667 --> 00:03:32,627 Speaker 5: can sort of try and hold where he is, like 78 00:03:32,667 --> 00:03:35,227 Speaker 5: if he if he's finished at sixth rather that'll be brilliant. 79 00:03:35,267 --> 00:03:37,547 Speaker 5: If he gets seventh that'll be great as well, given 80 00:03:37,547 --> 00:03:39,787 Speaker 5: that the staff and probably will pass them quite early on. 81 00:03:40,827 --> 00:03:43,707 Speaker 2: So what happened to Max for Stappan that slow for 82 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:46,427 Speaker 2: him seventh? But I read your report this morning in 83 00:03:46,427 --> 00:03:49,627 Speaker 2: the New Zealand Herald and you talked about a yellow 84 00:03:49,747 --> 00:03:52,987 Speaker 2: flag on his final flying lap. Tell us about that. 85 00:03:53,547 --> 00:03:56,867 Speaker 5: So basically, Pierre Gasley of Alpine lost control at the 86 00:03:56,947 --> 00:03:59,067 Speaker 5: last turn triggered a yellow flag and that means that 87 00:03:59,067 --> 00:04:01,107 Speaker 5: the staff and had to slow down right as he 88 00:04:01,947 --> 00:04:04,747 Speaker 5: was coming around that sort of last sector, which meant 89 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:06,507 Speaker 5: that the tide, the lap he was on which I'd 90 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:07,947 Speaker 5: have seen him and he probably would have seen him 91 00:04:07,947 --> 00:04:11,187 Speaker 5: go ahead, was then vullid basically because he had to 92 00:04:11,267 --> 00:04:13,987 Speaker 5: drop his pace and he couldn't get the final ten 93 00:04:14,067 --> 00:04:16,387 Speaker 5: for the second he needed to qualify, you know, maybe 94 00:04:16,947 --> 00:04:19,267 Speaker 5: definitely probably in the top four, because you know, he 95 00:04:19,347 --> 00:04:21,547 Speaker 5: had polled the last five Austrian Grand Prix. 96 00:04:22,667 --> 00:04:25,947 Speaker 2: Just back to Liam, I watched some of his postmatch 97 00:04:25,987 --> 00:04:28,187 Speaker 2: interview and there just seemed to be a heck of 98 00:04:28,227 --> 00:04:30,347 Speaker 2: a lot of relief there, you know. He said, it's 99 00:04:30,387 --> 00:04:32,427 Speaker 2: been a tough year and you and I have talked 100 00:04:32,467 --> 00:04:34,507 Speaker 2: about it a lot, a lot on and off the year. 101 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:37,907 Speaker 2: It has been a tough year. Is there any danger 102 00:04:37,907 --> 00:04:40,027 Speaker 2: that now he's qualified six that he you know, that 103 00:04:40,787 --> 00:04:43,547 Speaker 2: he feels job done in Austria and that he might 104 00:04:43,627 --> 00:04:47,747 Speaker 2: not perhaps achieve sixth tomorrow. If you get where I'm 105 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:48,227 Speaker 2: driving it. 106 00:04:48,947 --> 00:04:51,147 Speaker 5: He won't think it's job done. He said afterwards that 107 00:04:51,227 --> 00:04:53,827 Speaker 5: the important day is today. It depends what you want 108 00:04:53,867 --> 00:04:56,187 Speaker 5: as success. I mean the points finished from here has 109 00:04:56,387 --> 00:04:58,667 Speaker 5: been incredible results. You know, you look at where Hajjar 110 00:04:58,787 --> 00:05:00,107 Speaker 5: is and he's meant to be the better of the 111 00:05:00,147 --> 00:05:03,227 Speaker 5: two drivers of based off results, and he's done in thirteen. 112 00:05:03,307 --> 00:05:05,667 Speaker 5: So if Liam can get in the points and they 113 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:07,467 Speaker 5: head of Haji, I think that'll be perfect. 114 00:05:08,227 --> 00:05:12,747 Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda eighteenth the poison chealous of the second Red 115 00:05:12,787 --> 00:05:14,827 Speaker 2: Bull driver. What's going on here? 116 00:05:15,787 --> 00:05:18,227 Speaker 5: I mean, it's the same issue that Liam Lawson had. 117 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:20,347 Speaker 5: It's the same issue that Sergio Perez had. It's the 118 00:05:20,347 --> 00:05:22,147 Speaker 5: same issue that it's our one had. It's the same 119 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:24,827 Speaker 5: issue that Pierre Guess we had. Lightning doesn't strike five times. 120 00:05:25,467 --> 00:05:28,267 Speaker 5: Redell have just built that car for Naxas step and 121 00:05:28,267 --> 00:05:30,427 Speaker 5: only a Naxa step In is just a freak. You know, 122 00:05:30,467 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 5: he will do things. You know, in any case, it's 123 00:05:32,707 --> 00:05:34,827 Speaker 5: basically a tractor on. You know that they've got out 124 00:05:34,867 --> 00:05:37,227 Speaker 5: there and you've just got a generational talent in one 125 00:05:37,267 --> 00:05:39,067 Speaker 5: of them, but then the other car is struggling. 126 00:05:39,547 --> 00:05:44,787 Speaker 2: So how then do they make progress in the Constructors Championship? 127 00:05:45,307 --> 00:05:47,467 Speaker 5: Well they don't, and they've said as much. They don't 128 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:49,667 Speaker 5: really care. Once they've moved Lean laws and back to 129 00:05:49,747 --> 00:05:51,987 Speaker 5: racing balls. They were adamant, No, we don't care about 130 00:05:51,987 --> 00:05:54,427 Speaker 5: the constructors Championship. We just want to see the step 131 00:05:54,427 --> 00:05:56,587 Speaker 5: and win a straight driver's title, you know, and that 132 00:05:56,667 --> 00:05:59,547 Speaker 5: will have ramifications further down the track. But in the 133 00:05:59,547 --> 00:06:02,187 Speaker 5: short term they I think they're prepared to just bang 134 00:06:02,267 --> 00:06:04,827 Speaker 5: on the credibility of having another driver's title. 135 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:07,787 Speaker 2: But don't I remember reading or you might have even 136 00:06:07,827 --> 00:06:12,427 Speaker 2: told me this that they were keen on the constructors Championship, 137 00:06:12,507 --> 00:06:15,907 Speaker 2: But clearly the strategy doesn't suggest that they are. 138 00:06:16,907 --> 00:06:19,387 Speaker 5: No. I mean, you need two cars scoring points, yeah, 139 00:06:19,467 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 5: in the constructor and basically they've not had that all season. 140 00:06:22,147 --> 00:06:24,667 Speaker 5: I think since Yuki has gone there, he's scored points 141 00:06:24,667 --> 00:06:27,347 Speaker 5: in one race, you know, So that tells you basically 142 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,707 Speaker 5: everything you need to know that that is not a 143 00:06:29,827 --> 00:06:31,067 Speaker 5: championship winning car. 144 00:06:31,667 --> 00:06:34,987 Speaker 2: Could anybody drive the second? What have you put Lando 145 00:06:35,067 --> 00:06:38,707 Speaker 2: Norris in there? Or Charlie Clair or Oscar Piastre? Would 146 00:06:38,707 --> 00:06:39,827 Speaker 2: they have the same issues? 147 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:43,747 Speaker 5: A Piastree I think might be a shout, just because 148 00:06:43,787 --> 00:06:45,307 Speaker 5: everything you hear about him is that he is so 149 00:06:45,507 --> 00:06:48,427 Speaker 5: good at problem solving in real time. But I think 150 00:06:48,507 --> 00:06:50,947 Speaker 5: any of those other nineteen drives on the grid are 151 00:06:50,947 --> 00:06:52,467 Speaker 5: going to struggle if you just drop them in there 152 00:06:52,547 --> 00:06:54,707 Speaker 5: right away. Let's not forget Maxis Stappens and not just 153 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:56,867 Speaker 5: turned up either. He's been that team for years and 154 00:06:56,907 --> 00:06:59,467 Speaker 5: they've been able to tailor it to his wants and needs. 155 00:07:00,467 --> 00:07:02,587 Speaker 2: Back to leam, then to finish. So what time we 156 00:07:02,627 --> 00:07:04,387 Speaker 2: go tomorrow morning? Is about one o'clock New Zealand time? 157 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:06,347 Speaker 5: Is it one am? Everyone's getting up with him? 158 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:11,267 Speaker 2: Okay, well look I'll set the alarm and get up 159 00:07:11,307 --> 00:07:13,987 Speaker 2: and have a look. What's your pig? What are you? 160 00:07:14,547 --> 00:07:16,347 Speaker 2: I mean, I know, haat and head and all that 161 00:07:16,387 --> 00:07:19,187 Speaker 2: sort of thing. What's your head telling you about what's 162 00:07:19,227 --> 00:07:19,747 Speaker 2: going to happen? 163 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 5: I think he might lose a place or two off 164 00:07:23,587 --> 00:07:26,107 Speaker 5: the start, but I think there's definitely enough, especially if 165 00:07:26,187 --> 00:07:28,187 Speaker 5: racing Bulls get the strategy right like it has been 166 00:07:28,227 --> 00:07:30,427 Speaker 5: a real area of contention this year with how they've 167 00:07:30,467 --> 00:07:33,387 Speaker 5: worked with Liam, whereas Isaac Hadja has had the better 168 00:07:33,427 --> 00:07:35,347 Speaker 5: of it. You remember back to Saudi Arabia where Liam 169 00:07:35,387 --> 00:07:38,307 Speaker 5: olt qualified Hadja. They put Hadjar on the better strategy 170 00:07:38,347 --> 00:07:40,547 Speaker 5: and he ended up overtaking him on a different set 171 00:07:40,547 --> 00:07:42,787 Speaker 5: of tires. So if they can do that, I think 172 00:07:42,827 --> 00:07:45,627 Speaker 5: points is definitely achievable, but like as we know with 173 00:07:45,787 --> 00:07:47,387 Speaker 5: motors for anything can and will happen. 174 00:07:47,947 --> 00:07:52,307 Speaker 2: Thank you for your vampiric analysis, Alex. Anytime mate got 175 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:54,747 Speaker 2: on Alex Pale you can read him an in zid 176 00:07:54,787 --> 00:07:58,107 Speaker 2: hereld dot co dot nzi. He is our motorsport expert 177 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:02,067 Speaker 2: and yeah, a regular contributor to Weekend Sport. Here's Liam 178 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:03,467 Speaker 2: Lawson after qualifying. 179 00:08:04,027 --> 00:08:05,747 Speaker 3: It's been a strong day and something I feel is 180 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:09,067 Speaker 3: very good. Honestly, it's been a very very tough year 181 00:08:10,107 --> 00:08:13,907 Speaker 3: and you know, as we're saying like that, the cart 182 00:08:13,947 --> 00:08:16,547 Speaker 3: has been very fast, and we've been fast through most 183 00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:19,947 Speaker 3: practice sessions recently and had really good potential for qualifying 184 00:08:19,987 --> 00:08:24,187 Speaker 3: and then it's for whatever reason doesn't come through. Sometimes 185 00:08:24,187 --> 00:08:26,547 Speaker 3: it's super small things at the moment, getting the tire 186 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:28,747 Speaker 3: in the right window or just putting together a lap 187 00:08:28,787 --> 00:08:33,347 Speaker 3: and yeah, it's been pretty tough. So to get this 188 00:08:33,427 --> 00:08:35,587 Speaker 3: done today is it's a good feeling. 189 00:08:35,867 --> 00:08:38,147 Speaker 4: Yeah, it says an awful lot about your character. You've 190 00:08:38,147 --> 00:08:40,107 Speaker 4: had to have the tin hats at times during this 191 00:08:40,227 --> 00:08:43,307 Speaker 4: year so you could go away and then proved one 192 00:08:43,387 --> 00:08:45,267 Speaker 4: or two points, not just not just a single one. 193 00:08:45,267 --> 00:08:49,147 Speaker 4: I think though, I mean and and and tomorrow converting it? 194 00:08:49,387 --> 00:08:49,867 Speaker 2: What what? 195 00:08:49,867 --> 00:08:50,427 Speaker 3: What? 196 00:08:50,427 --> 00:08:53,027 Speaker 4: What's it going to take to try and stay there? 197 00:08:53,027 --> 00:08:54,587 Speaker 4: Are there the boats where you start? 198 00:08:54,707 --> 00:08:57,347 Speaker 3: I think the strategy is it's not that clear, to 199 00:08:57,387 --> 00:09:00,227 Speaker 3: be honest, and I think you know, our long run 200 00:09:00,227 --> 00:09:02,827 Speaker 3: pace was good, but it's it's about making the right 201 00:09:02,907 --> 00:09:05,187 Speaker 3: decisions tomorrow obviously for me, getting a good start doing 202 00:09:05,227 --> 00:09:09,387 Speaker 3: the right things behind the wheel. And I think there's 203 00:09:09,387 --> 00:09:10,987 Speaker 3: a couple of guys obviously around us that we're probably 204 00:09:11,027 --> 00:09:12,627 Speaker 3: not fighting, but some of the guys behind we're going 205 00:09:12,707 --> 00:09:13,667 Speaker 3: to try and keep out. 206 00:09:14,107 --> 00:09:16,227 Speaker 2: Good on him, I just think good on him. He's 207 00:09:16,307 --> 00:09:20,267 Speaker 2: had such a tough year and some of his post qualifying, 208 00:09:20,347 --> 00:09:25,067 Speaker 2: post practice, post race interviews have been filled with obvious frustrations. 209 00:09:25,147 --> 00:09:28,067 Speaker 2: So for him to have a mixture of obviously delight 210 00:09:28,387 --> 00:09:31,507 Speaker 2: but also just a little bit of relief that you 211 00:09:31,547 --> 00:09:34,067 Speaker 2: know that things went his way for once this year 212 00:09:34,187 --> 00:09:36,907 Speaker 2: was cool to see. So one o'clock tomorrow morning, New 213 00:09:36,947 --> 00:09:40,467 Speaker 2: Zealand time, as Alex Pale said, is when the race starts. 214 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:45,027 Speaker 2: Let's hope that he can well stay sexed, even move 215 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:48,907 Speaker 2: a little bit further up. Simon says on text, Liam 216 00:09:48,947 --> 00:09:51,427 Speaker 2: just has to let Max go at turn one and 217 00:09:51,467 --> 00:09:53,987 Speaker 2: then slam the jandle down on the pedal. Keep it 218 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:56,787 Speaker 2: clean and get some points easy. I'll be watching Let's Go, 219 00:09:56,867 --> 00:09:59,227 Speaker 2: Liam says Simon. Good on you, Simon, You've almost got 220 00:09:59,227 --> 00:10:01,267 Speaker 2: me sitting in alarm. I probably should get up and 221 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:01,747 Speaker 2: have a look. 222 00:10:02,467 --> 00:10:05,667 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 223 00:10:05,787 --> 00:10:09,067 Speaker 1: to News to it B weekends from midday, or follow 224 00:10:09,107 --> 00:10:10,707 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.