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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: Newstalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. It's just been

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Speaker 3: announced the Chinese premiere is going to be visiting the

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Speaker 3: country on Thursday, first time since twenty seventeen. Todd McLay,

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Speaker 3: Trade Minister on that, Scott Watson is back before the courts,

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Speaker 3: the Court of Appeal this time. We're going to speak

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Speaker 3: to a reporter there and in New Zealand has canceled

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Speaker 3: all flights to New Caledonia until the end of September.

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Speaker 3: So House of Travel on.

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Speaker 1: That, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: So this morning, the White Tallmall District mayor was asked

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Speaker 3: on the radio how the Tekawiti community feels about the

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Speaker 3: death of the ten month old boy at the weekend,

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Speaker 3: and he said, the community have sympathy for the people

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Speaker 3: who knew the child. What they have sympathy for the

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Speaker 3: people who knew the child. Is that really what the

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Speaker 3: community feels, sympathy for the people who knew the child.

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Speaker 3: This is not a criticism of the mayor. The mayor

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Speaker 3: has got to answer a question like that, honestly, but

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Speaker 3: why wasn't the answer? Do you know what? The community

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Speaker 3: is furious, angry as because a little boy who can't

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Speaker 3: And actually, to the wider point, are the rest of

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Speaker 3: us furious about this? The rest of us angry about this?

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Speaker 3: I am angry about every single one of these stories

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Speaker 3: what I'd like to do to certain people. I can't

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Speaker 3: bear the thought that there are adults who lay their

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Speaker 3: hands on kids. I mean, how hard do you hit

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Speaker 3: a kid for them to die? How hard? I have noticed,

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Speaker 3: and look, maybe I'm in imagining this, but I have

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Speaker 3: noticed that these stories do not seem to get the

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Speaker 3: media attention that they used to get. I mean, back

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Speaker 3: in the day, the car who He case was massive,

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Speaker 3: the Near Glassy case was massive. Felt like either of

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Speaker 3: what was being done to kids. But the murder of

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a case, This is a horrific case.

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Speaker 3: The details of the case are horrific, and also just

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Speaker 3: the fact that nobody's been held to count and when

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Speaker 3: we there were three people in that house with that

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Speaker 3: know what happened. No one's been held to account. If

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Speaker 3: there's ever an example of a baby death that should

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Speaker 3: us angry. I mean, that's quite possible that the reason

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Speaker 3: we're not getting angry about this anymore was if we're

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Speaker 3: just getting really used to this now. It happens all

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Speaker 3: the time, doesn't it. A lot of this has happens

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Speaker 3: since Audoing ITSMITIKEI was established in April twenty seventeen. But

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Speaker 3: this is of course the agency that's supposed to stop

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Speaker 3: there have been around sixty child murders. We're something like

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's mental, isn't it. Anyway? As I say,

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Speaker 3: it's not a criticism of the mayor for how he

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Speaker 3: Heaver do for see Allen nine two nine two is

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Speaker 3: But we will get you the details as it comes

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Speaker 3: to hand. Anyway, It's ten past four now. The government

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Speaker 3: they Because Labour's Energy spokesperson Meghan Woods is already floating

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Speaker 3: the idea of rebanning the oil and gas exploration when

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Speaker 4: Our members are a very strong case for at twenty

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Speaker 5: Our oil and gas is not.

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Speaker 6: Going to be a future.

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Speaker 5: We've got to be planning for a different future now.

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Speaker 3: John Carnegie is the CEO of Energy Resources Ulta at

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Speaker 3: Owners with US now had.

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Speaker 7: John, Hey, how are you doing ever?

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Speaker 3: Very well? Thank you. Have you heard of any interest

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Speaker 7: Oh? No, And it's going to be a long term effort.

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Speaker 7: You know, Minister Jones talks about going out and talking

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Speaker 7: to the rest of the world saying we're open for business.

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Speaker 7: He's going to have to use the full extemes of

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Speaker 3: If we haven't had any I mean, these guys were

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Speaker 3: still haven't had any overseas interest, do you really think

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Speaker 3: we're going to get any It was the ship sailed.

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Speaker 7: I don't think the ship sailed at all. I think

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Speaker 7: what's happening is that investors. And this is both the

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Speaker 7: looking to wait to see what the actual changes are.

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Speaker 3: So they want to see some assurance or some sort

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I guess there are two

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Speaker 7: in terms of them? Are they material enough? Well, we've

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Speaker 7: be slightly more patient. You see what comes through in

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Speaker 3: So John what Shane Jones? Shane Jones seems to have

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Speaker 3: Is that the answer long content rights?

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Speaker 7: Oh well, I mean I don't I think. Also a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he seems to have said he can't do

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Speaker 3: that because he would be there will be this this government,

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Speaker 7: A bond could be similar to a long term contract.

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Speaker 7: I mean there is just a number of mechanisms, but

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Speaker 7: I think again we'd need to see the detail. But

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Speaker 7: the key thing is we think he's on the right track.

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Speaker 7: You know, these along lived their sets, you know they

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Speaker 7: So that crosses how many three four are electoral sites.

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Speaker 7: That's why the sector will need confidence. I want to

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Speaker 7: the changes, the things, the investments they said that they

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Speaker 7: So you know, these are the long lived assets. It's

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Speaker 3: To how unhelpful O the likes of Meghan Woods at

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Speaker 7: Oh look, Meghan has a particular particular view and so

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Speaker 7: the debate. Look, I just think that we have to

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Speaker 7: see the black and white. Let's see the deals, let's

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Speaker 7: see the let's see the legislation. Investors will make risks,

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Speaker 7: adjusted decisions. I'll look at the detail and they'll decide

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Speaker 7: And I that's the thing that we are going to

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Speaker 7: be looking for, Minister, actually put suitable arrangements in place

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Speaker 3: John, you are so much more optimistic than I am.

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Speaker 3: But I'm taking some heart from it. That's John Carnegie,

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Speaker 3: the chief executive of Energy Resources ALTA or hither. You're

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Speaker 3: so very right. This shouldn't be happening to the kids.

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Speaker 3: just being announced that the Chinese premiere Li Chiang is

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Speaker 3: the Chinese premiere will not visit the one without the other, right,

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Speaker 3: they'll come here and visit Australia, which is what's happening

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Speaker 3: this time. Anyway, we'll see Barry Soaper is going to

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Speaker 3: Todd McLay Trade Minister with us after five on that

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Speaker 3: sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 2: Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for

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Speaker 3: Be Jason Pine sports talkhosters with me Piney, Hello, Hello, Heather.

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Speaker 3: All right the black Caps are they going to be

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Speaker 3: able to turn this around?

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Speaker 8: Well, they're going to have to if they want to

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Speaker 8: stay in this tournament. Saturday was a bit abject, wasn't it.

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Speaker 8: Humiliation in the hands of Afghanistan, all out seventy five,

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Speaker 8: losing by eighty odd runs. You can pick over the

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Speaker 8: bones of that as much as you like, but the

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Speaker 8: factors they now must beat the co hosts, the West

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Speaker 8: Indies on Thursday, otherwise they're not going to progress beyond

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Speaker 8: the group stages, which would be I think their worst

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Speaker 8: ever showing at a white Ball World Cup for certainly

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Speaker 8: for a very long time. So, look, can they fix it?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know if you saw this footage last week,

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson's going to talk to us about that around

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Speaker 3: the Trade Minister, Todd McLay about the news that the

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Speaker 3: In a major surprise, French President Emmanual Macron has called

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Speaker 9: We won't have a linear pathway.

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Speaker 12: We just don't need to achieve it by twenty thirty,

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Speaker 3: Business, Oli Peters and six pm per life presents to

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Speaker 12: This is a complete and utter joke and the way

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Speaker 12: And here are some captain's choices to promote Daniel Andrews

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Speaker 9: Getting into the weeds.

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Speaker 12: But mart McGowan over here, right, he got it for

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Speaker 12: quote eminent service to the people in the Parliament of

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Speaker 12: w WAD, to public health and education and to international

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Speaker 12: trade relations, Heather, Our hospitals have never been worse.

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Speaker 9: So public health get cool. You shut the damn border.

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Speaker 12: You didn't let dying relatives come in and meet their

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Speaker 12: you know, their their sons or their daughters, or their

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Speaker 12: grandparents or their grandmothers.

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Speaker 9: Like this is just almost a sick joke.

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Speaker 12: And I do find the politicization of this needs to

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Speaker 12: be taken out of the hand.

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Speaker 3: Can we agree Daniel Andrews sucked at the job as well.

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Speaker 9: Big time? As Neil Mitchell said today.

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Speaker 12: If he it's this, then every single Victorian should get

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Speaker 12: an Order of Australia for putting.

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Speaker 13: Up with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair point. Hey what about Peter Costello though, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that was obvious that he would have to quit eventually.

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Speaker 12: Big time now, you know, obviously I worked for six PR.

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Speaker 12: Nine Entertainment Company is the owner of this organization. But

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Speaker 12: absolutely Peter Costello had to go, he really did. I

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Speaker 12: mean that video sort of speaks of itself, doesn't it.

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Speaker 12: On Thursday and Canberra Airport. He still claims he never

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Speaker 12: pushed over Leam Mendez from The Australian. Obviously they have

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Speaker 12: a bit of a disagreement. He says he fell into

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Speaker 12: a little pole that was there. But Peter Costello had

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Speaker 12: no other choice, he had to leave. And obviously nine

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Speaker 12: Entertainment Company, the owner of our radio station, has been

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Speaker 12: under the microscope in recent times. Obviously the former news

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Speaker 12: director of nine News, Darren Week, leaving the organization, and

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Speaker 12: there are some big issues at the moment within the organization,

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Speaker 12: which is the host broadcaster of the Olympics in a

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Speaker 12: few months either. So oh, it's an interesting time. Let's

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Speaker 12: just say putting it mildly within the organization too.

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Speaker 3: Right now, what is the Coalition government actually going to do?

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Speaker 3: Is it going to stick to the emission's targets or not.

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Speaker 12: I think they gave themselves a bit of wriggle room

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Speaker 12: on the weekend and then saw the news poll this

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Speaker 12: morning that's put Labor and the Coalition out fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 12: So all of a sudden, Peter Dutton consents a narrow

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Speaker 12: path to victory here, unlikely victory. It must be set

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Speaker 12: at the election next year, and he's tried to walk

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Speaker 12: it back by sending David Little Proud out today. So

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Speaker 12: effectively they're saying they're still committed to achieving net zero

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Speaker 12: by twenty fifty, but they don't think they'll achieve the

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Speaker 12: twenty thirty targets that they've set for themselves in the

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Speaker 12: twenty thirty five targets at the Albaneze government signed up to,

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Speaker 12: so they're trying to give themselves some wriggle room on that.

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Speaker 9: I think it.

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Speaker 12: Paves the way as well here for the nuclear option

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Speaker 12: that Peter Dutton and David Little Prowd want to explore.

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Speaker 12: I though think all of a sudden this is going

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Speaker 12: to not reverberate very well around the nation because he's

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Speaker 12: trying to pick up some of those Teal seats Heather

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Speaker 12: that obviously were converted at the last federal election.

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Speaker 9: He can say goodbye to them today.

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Speaker 12: If he's going down a pathway of saying no to

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Speaker 12: twenty fifty into the Paris Agreement, there's Buckley's chance of

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Speaker 12: picking up any of.

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Speaker 9: Those seats, some of those out of seats.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, But this is like we've got a great political

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Speaker 12: discussion now to have in this country whenever that elections

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Speaker 12: called in. I actually think after today's news, Pol Anthony

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Speaker 12: Albinize's going to go before Christmas, He's going to call

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Speaker 12: this sooner.

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Speaker 3: Other learning Jaez Okay, I like that. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: remember that, Olie, and we'll hold you to that prediction.

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Speaker 3: That's Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter just saying

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Speaker 3: good as he went off this. He's up for the challenge.

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Speaker 3: Hither there are no checks at ten months of age.

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Speaker 3: My baby boys ten months old got checked at six

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Speaker 3: months and then not again at twelve months. So I

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Speaker 3: actually vaguely remember that to be the case. But if

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Speaker 3: they're a prop, Listen, nobody goes from six months being

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Speaker 3: an awesome parent to ten well, I mean, we don't know, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's be clear, we do not know who's responsible for

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Speaker 3: the baby. Let's put it like this, for the death

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Speaker 3: of the baby. A baby's not a happy, bubbly baby

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Speaker 3: in a safe environment at six months, and they're not

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Speaker 3: at ten months unless something significant changes, like the location,

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Speaker 3: and you know who's caring for them. You know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, So you can generally see the signs. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Carpety MP is in trouble with the media for the

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Speaker 3: cost of his Wellington apartment. This is National MP Tim Costly,

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Speaker 3: well named Costly. He lives in Why can I now

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Speaker 3: that's only fifty eight k's away from Wellington, right, But

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Speaker 3: he also has a flat in Wellington which he uses

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Speaker 3: when the house is sitting. And so he does the

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Speaker 3: thing that many MPs do where he owns the flat

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Speaker 3: and then he claims the housing allowance like rents it

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Speaker 3: back to himself and the taxpaer picks up the tab.

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Speaker 3: It's thirty six four hundred dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: It sucks.

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Speaker 3: I had it too, but it's within the rules. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this has been done forever. Bill English did it. It's

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Speaker 3: just what happens. Prime Minister does it as well. Now

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Speaker 3: that's obviously not what he's in trouble for, because everybody's

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Speaker 3: doing it, and everybody has been doing it for ages.

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Speaker 3: What he's in trouble for is doing this claiming the

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Speaker 3: thirty six thousan four hundred dollars a year when he

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Speaker 3: actually lives close by, right, he lives in why can

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Speaker 3: I fifty eight k's away? But hang on a tick,

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Speaker 3: let's be fair about this. Driving from Wellington to why

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Speaker 3: can I can take your forty five minutes on a

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Speaker 3: good day sixty minutes plus on a bad day. Now,

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Speaker 3: on a sitting day as a backbencher, he's there anywhere

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Speaker 3: from seven thirty to eight thirty in the morning all

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Speaker 3: the way through to ten o'clock at night. Now you

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Speaker 3: cannot seriously expect him to get in a car and

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Speaker 3: drive an hour either side of the day but get

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Speaker 3: home after eleven o'clock at night and then get up

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Speaker 3: being the cast six thirty in the morning or seven

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Speaker 3: thirty in the morning. I mean, that's crazy, Like that's dangerous.

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Speaker 3: So obviously he needs a place to stay in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough for him to stay in Wellington. I don't

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Speaker 3: like the rules, but thense are the rules. Unfortunately, as

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Speaker 3: far as what I'm trying to say is, I can't

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Speaker 3: see this guy's done anything wrong. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five per politics with Centrics credit check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from five Barry So for senior political correspondence

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Speaker 3: with US Barry, Hello, good afternoon. Here's the Public Service Commission,

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Speaker 3: the right agency to do this inquiry into the allegations

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Speaker 3: around the Marti Party.

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Speaker 14: Well, yes, I think from a government perspective it is

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Speaker 14: don't forget. You've got the police, the Privacy Commissioner, other

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Speaker 14: agencies like Stats New Zealand, the MSD and even more

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Speaker 14: looking at this issue now, both concerning the censors and

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Speaker 14: the immunization for COVID. So the Prime Minister says the

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Speaker 14: public has got to have confidence in the electoral system

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Speaker 14: and the information they provide in confidence.

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Speaker 10: Here the inquiry will cover all relevant government agencies, including

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Speaker 10: Crown entities, and this inquiry will run concurrently to the

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Speaker 10: investigations run by the agencies and will not compromise the

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Speaker 10: processes or the investigations that the Police and Privacy Commissioner.

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Speaker 9: Already have underway.

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Speaker 10: Here'll be further announcements this week on the terms of reference,

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Speaker 10: the timing for the inquiry, as well as the independent

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Speaker 10: reviewer who will lead the process. I just say New

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Speaker 10: Zealanders must have confidence that the data they provide to

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Speaker 10: government agencies or others acting on their behalf is used

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Speaker 10: appropriately and is subject to adequate protections.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So he wasted no time in getting back, didn't it.

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Speaker 14: He said we will wait to see when he was

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Speaker 14: in the Pacific, He'll wait to see what happens with

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Speaker 14: these other inquiries. But he's decided that, Look, the issue

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Speaker 14: is big, It's an enormous issue, and so it really

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Speaker 14: has to be put.

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Speaker 3: To Allegations like this cut to the heart of our confidence. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: cuts to the heart of our confidence in elected members

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Speaker 3: as well, right, so least interest. So to clear this up,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of the Chinese premiere arriving here

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Speaker 3: on Thursday?

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Speaker 9: Well, can we blame.

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Speaker 3: The little period where they didn't turn up and visit

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Speaker 3: us at all between twenty seventeen and now? Is that

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Speaker 3: because of their attitude towards Labor or is that more

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Speaker 3: because of the relationship that they had with Australia.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 14: I think it probably had a lot to do with

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Speaker 14: the relationship they had with the government, because there were

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Speaker 14: very little visits on a trade mission perspective to China

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Speaker 14: when Labor was in power, and they see that New

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Speaker 14: Zealand is now serious. We've had a few ministers up

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Speaker 14: there with trade missions. Todd McLay was standing alongside Chris

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Speaker 14: Luxen and basically the Premier Lee is coming here, but

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Speaker 14: he said there will be a number of announcements on

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Speaker 14: Thursday and Friday. So clearly the announcements have already been

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Speaker 14: worked out between the Chinese and the New Zealand government.

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Speaker 14: It always works that way, so so expect that on

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Speaker 14: Thursday and Fronday, and then at the weekend the Prime

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Speaker 14: Minister's off to Japan. Everyone's traveling at the moment pretty

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Speaker 14: expensive on the old taxpayer, but we've got to get

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Speaker 14: out there or a tony country at the bottom of

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Speaker 14: the Pacific. So he's leading a thirty five member trade

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Speaker 14: mission to Tokyo and he'll be there next week and

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Speaker 14: I think that's a good thing for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: A bit of a coup for the ACTS Party to

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Speaker 3: get Paul Henry speak, don't.

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Speaker 14: You think, Well, yeah, it came at you what they

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Speaker 14: call a change makers rally. Those that attended it paid

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Speaker 14: fifty bucks ahead to go to it here in Auckland

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Speaker 14: and they got a pretty good turnout. Of course, no

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Speaker 14: ACT event now would be complete without a poke at

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Speaker 14: National because they want to see themselves as being totally

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Speaker 14: independent of the National lead government. What David Seymour said

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Speaker 14: that our allies and government have said they get that'd

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Speaker 14: get faster decisions if they didn't need to consult ACT.

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Speaker 14: But he said they don't only need fast decisions, they

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Speaker 14: need better decisions. So these you poke at National, Well,

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Speaker 14: if you listen to the guests, guest speaker Paul Henry,

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Speaker 14: he left them in no doubt as to where his

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Speaker 14: loyalties lay. Not that National, not that we had any

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Speaker 14: confusion because he once stood for the National Party. But

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Speaker 14: with ACT, he says, they're not afraid of change, even

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Speaker 14: if it means upsetting a few voters.

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Speaker 15: I think this country is deeply in the shit, and

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Speaker 15: I think the options to leverage ourselves out of the

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Speaker 15: shit are becoming increasingly limited, largely because the people willing

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Speaker 15: and capable of doing it are few, and most importantly

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Speaker 15: because so many good people just cringe inside and say

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Speaker 15: nothing as matches are lit to incinerate more of New Zealand,

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Speaker 15: which we used to stand for, which used to be

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Speaker 15: in when people globally you still look at this country

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Speaker 15: in envy. I believe act could be the last cab

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Speaker 15: on the rank heading the right direction.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well you go put his hand touches.

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Speaker 3: I missed that man from our stores and our ways.

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Speaker 14: Don't you. I think he got carried away with the

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Speaker 14: Indian minister dick shit because now that.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to revisit that, because I've got some

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Speaker 3: opinions on that actually, and it would largely exonerate Paul

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Speaker 3: Henry Hey just really quickly is and I don't need

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Speaker 3: it in great detail because I have just outlaid the case.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But it's not a crime for him if he lives

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Speaker 3: in Carpety. And why can I to have a flat

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Speaker 3: in Wellington?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 14: No? No, of course it's not. He owned the flat

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Speaker 14: in Wellington seven hundred bucks a week. Yeah, are the

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Speaker 14: taxpayer is paying for it because he's letting it to himself.

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Speaker 3: Which everybody does well, this is though.

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Speaker 14: He's in commuting distance. If you look at the Inland

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Speaker 14: Revenue No, Inland Revenue Department divines, Well, can I just

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Speaker 14: say what the official.

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Speaker 3: Miner is before anything that's reasonable?

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Speaker 14: Can I just say what the official liners Inland revenue?

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Speaker 14: The charges are taxes. They say between fifty and eighty

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Speaker 14: kilometers for each leg of the journey is commuting distant.

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Speaker 14: And many people in the carpety commute to Wellington. So

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Speaker 14: he's if you're like double dipping and away. He's got

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Speaker 14: a house and why can I a very nice one

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Speaker 14: apparently in a nice flat and Wellington. Now he's getting.

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Speaker 3: Seed at night?

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Speaker 14: Oh, Heather, I mean a lot of backbenches. And I

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Speaker 14: heard you say that's start after seven and eight in.

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Speaker 3: The morning when they have meetings.

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Speaker 14: Oh, for goodness sake.

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Speaker 3: I'm cutting off your mic by Barry Soaper seven away

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Speaker 3: from five putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 16: Breakfast, the government is reversing our band on oil and

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Speaker 16: gas exploration. Minister for Resources Sharing Jones's back with us

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Speaker 16: the legislation later on this year. Why can't it be quick?

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Speaker 1: At what's the hold up?

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Speaker 17: Obviously we had to be very careful as to how

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Speaker 17: we made the announcement because they are share market implications

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Speaker 17: and we want to get this right because if you

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Speaker 17: go back six years ago, Megan Woods, we're seeing the

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Speaker 17: gi Minister in the history of Western civilization and Jacinda

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Speaker 17: Rush this court ONCET and I unawares, and we don't

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Speaker 17: want to repeat the error. So take the time to

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Speaker 17: get it right and boost the desirability of New Zealand

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Speaker 17: as a further destination for international capital.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Jaguar Newstalk ZV Heather.

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Speaker 3: I work fourteen hour days like that MP, Tim, and

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Speaker 3: I'm very tired afterwards. If I was then to drive

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Speaker 3: home fifty eight k so well, I'd be putting other

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Speaker 3: road users at risk of no problem with him claiming

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Speaker 3: the dollars. That's from Ben Barry said as he was

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Speaker 3: walking out of studio not quite finished, not quite finished,

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Speaker 3: as you can imagine, walked out of the studio set

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Speaker 3: rolls need to change.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if maybe the rules do need to change.

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Speaker 3: They might, because this whole thing just feels a bit yucky,

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Speaker 3: doesn't it. Anyway, there's a question for another day.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 3: The question for today is how long can you sit

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Speaker 3: in a cafe after you finish your snack? And the

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Speaker 3: reason we're asking this is because a Hawk's Bay journal

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Speaker 3: called Mark's story. Who's like a senior journe not just

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Speaker 3: like a winging gen Za. It's like a code, like

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Speaker 3: a deputy deputy editor or something, you know, like respectable.

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Speaker 3: It is respectable. He's written a piece about the fact

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Speaker 3: that he got kicked out of an aper cafe after

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Speaker 3: he'd had his Brioshi and as flat White. He finished

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Speaker 3: them and he was still there, like in the period

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Speaker 3: from ordering them to being told to leave was an

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Speaker 3: hour that was his a lot of time. At the

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Speaker 3: hour mark they said can you please leave? There were

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Speaker 3: tables available. Now I would have thought that having somebody

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Speaker 3: in an empty cafe, having somebody there's surely a good

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Speaker 3: thing to make it look like that's a bit jazzy. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Martin Bosley read restratur about that about

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Speaker 3: twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Celum Drive with one, New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Just an hour ago, it was announced the Chinese Premiere

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Speaker 3: Lee Chiang will visit New Zealand this Thursday. It is

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Speaker 3: the first visit by the Chinese premier since twenty seventeen

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Speaker 3: and marks a significant shift from our relationship with China

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Speaker 3: under the last government. Todd McLay is the Trade Minister.

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Speaker 18: Hey Todd, Hey Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. What Chinese business is going

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Speaker 3: to read this visit as a signal that they can

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Speaker 3: have confidence in the relationship between China and New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: Well, yes, I think they will, as New Zealand Business

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Speaker 18: is sure. It's a very long standing relationship. In fact,

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Speaker 18: it was sort of ten years ago this year we

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Speaker 18: signed a comprehensive strategic partnership around trade with China and

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Speaker 18: we've seen our trade grow from strength to strength, almost

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Speaker 18: forty billion dollars in two in both ways now and

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Speaker 18: so it's a very important economic relationship and I think

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Speaker 18: the Chinese premier coming here underpins the importance of that

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Speaker 18: to the two economies.

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Speaker 12: What have you guys got planned from Well, he will

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Speaker 12: be in Wonnington and then other parts of the country

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Speaker 12: as well.

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Speaker 18: There will be formal meetings with the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 18: a number of things were working through. You can normally

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Speaker 18: expect announcements around areas to cooperate all steps forward. But look,

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Speaker 18: I want to leave that for the Prime Minister in

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Speaker 18: the premiere to do later in the week.

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Speaker 3: Why was there that gap of seven years without a visit.

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Speaker 18: Well, I think it's probably a range of things. I mean,

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Speaker 18: I was in opposition for all of that time, so

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Speaker 18: you know, I didn't have too much input, but I

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Speaker 18: suppose we also had COVID through the middle of that.

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Speaker 18: But since the change of government last year, there has

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Speaker 18: been an increase in contact and engagement. I've been up

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Speaker 18: to China for meetings with my counterparts across portfolios. In fact,

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Speaker 18: I've had two meetings with their Commerce minister, who's the

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Speaker 18: equivalent of trade. The Chinese Foreign Minister has visited here,

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Speaker 18: we meet with the Prime Minister with St Peters and

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Speaker 18: I and we've just had another minister from China down

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Speaker 18: as well. So you know, it's clear to say that

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Speaker 18: there's a lot of engagement going on, and you know,

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Speaker 18: forty billion dollars with a two way trade. That's very

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Speaker 18: important for us to you know, keep that relationship open

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Speaker 18: and keep talking Todd.

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Speaker 3: Some people are reading it as if the Chinese had

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Speaker 3: got the pip with the Labor Party, your predecessors, but

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Speaker 3: I just wonder, I mean, that may have been part

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Speaker 3: of it, but I wonder if it actually is more

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Speaker 3: of a reflection of the breakdown and the relationship between

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Speaker 3: Australia and China.

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Speaker 18: Well, I think it was certainly clear when Labor first

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Speaker 18: came to government. It took quite some time for them

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Speaker 18: to be a visit and then you remember Prime Minister

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Speaker 18: of Doing went up there and was only able to

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Speaker 18: go up for a day. And look, probably that was

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Speaker 18: as much to do with a new government working out

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Speaker 18: what to do domestically. But it doesn't matter whether it's

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Speaker 18: China or the US, or the European Union or India.

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Speaker 18: You know, small country like New Zeala needs to keep

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Speaker 18: investing in those relationships. We can't just assume that you

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Speaker 18: know that people will buy from us or governments will

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Speaker 18: know where we are. And so I think that's why,

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Speaker 18: you know, it's very very important as visit is taking place.

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Speaker 18: I don't think it is to do with what's happened

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Speaker 18: in Australia. And you know we've seen the Australian Chinese relationship,

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Speaker 18: particularly in Trader over the last period of time, you know,

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Speaker 18: strengthen and get back to an agree of normaloity.

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Speaker 3: Todd beast of like enjoyed the trip. That's Todd McLay

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Speaker 3: Trade Minister.

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Speaker 1: Together due for Celis.

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Speaker 3: Scott Watson is back before the courts to Clara's name.

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Speaker 3: Scott Watson has spent the last twenty five years behind

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Speaker 3: bars after being found guilty for the murders of Ben

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Speaker 3: Smart and Olivia Hope in nineteen ninety eight. Open Justice

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Speaker 3: reporter Catherine Hautton has been at the Court of Appeal

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Speaker 3: hearing and is with us. Now, Hey, Catherine, Hello, how

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Speaker 3: are you. I'm very well, thank you know. He is

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Speaker 3: fighting to Cleara his name on two grounds, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: What are they?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Two grounds. Firstly the ESI evidence, which is essentially the

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Speaker 4: heads that were found on the blanket of Blade. And

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Speaker 4: secondly the photo montage. And this is how Watson was

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Speaker 4: identified or Wallace I did the taxi driver. Wallace identified

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Speaker 4: Watson and it's an infamous half blink photo where his

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Speaker 4: eyes are sort of half closed.

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Speaker 3: Right on the DNA stuff the hair. Are they going

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Speaker 3: to reprise the same argument, which is that there's some

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Speaker 3: sort of a contamination that's happened here.

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Speaker 4: We think so, yes, now we haven't got to that.

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Speaker 4: Today's they was about the photo montage. Tomorrow is about

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Speaker 4: the ESI evidence, which is actually the eight witnesses that

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Speaker 4: we've got left to hear from this week. Yes, they've

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Speaker 4: got a new forensic scientist report from a name called

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Speaker 4: doctor Sean Doyle which says that an actual fact he

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Speaker 4: cast out on whether the heirs are actually from Olivia.

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Speaker 3: The misidentification claims that the second part that they're arguing

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Speaker 3: that seems compelling, is it as compelling in court?

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Speaker 4: Well, today the Crown Council spent most of the Stuart

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Speaker 4: Bakers spent most of the day actually basically putting holes

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Speaker 4: in their report. So it was written by two eyewitness experts,

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Speaker 4: Dr Gary Wells and doctor Adele Quigley McBride, both of

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Speaker 4: whom spoke to the court today. And I suppose it

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Speaker 4: was the case of not too much. What the report

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Speaker 4: said is what it didn't say. Now, the report concluded

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Speaker 4: that Watson's identification or had little or no privative value.

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Speaker 4: But what they're saying is, well it didn't that. What

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Speaker 4: the Crown is saying is well, there's significant holes in

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Speaker 4: the report. And I mean to give you one example.

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Speaker 4: They said. They talked about how Olivia's sister that, oh sorry.

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Speaker 4: They talked about how the so I've just lost my place.

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Speaker 4: They talked about how Haylen Morrison could only I had

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Speaker 4: only identified the man from behind and said that he

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Speaker 4: had long hair, and yet he couldn't identify him on

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Speaker 4: a montage. Well, the Crown says, well, how could you

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Speaker 4: identify someone from a photo if you never saw them

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Speaker 4: from behind, if you only one from behind. So things

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Speaker 4: like that, I suppose they spent the day kind of

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Speaker 4: arguing what the what the report had concluded?

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Speaker 3: Why was he not in court today?

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Speaker 7: By the way, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: He has chosen not to appear and he is not

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Speaker 4: appearing by AVL either.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Catherine's so good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much for that. That's Catherine Hautton, the Open Justice reporter.

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Speaker 3: Either the guy sitting in the cafe may have been

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Speaker 3: sucking the guts out of their Wi FI. I would

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Speaker 3: ask him to leave after an hour or two he's

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Speaker 3: not homeless regards Charlie, I mean that's a you know,

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Speaker 3: the the definition of homeless is so broad in this

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Speaker 3: country right now, you never know you might have been homeless.

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Speaker 3: The top issue for the country top issues, rather the

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Speaker 3: top five issues for the country, according to the latest

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Speaker 3: EPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor are as follows. Crime is

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Speaker 3: up big time. Now this is not the number one issue.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you that crimes up big time because

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Speaker 3: that's a trend that we're seeing. It's gone from being

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Speaker 3: fourth to being second. It is a key issue for

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Speaker 3: thirty five percent of us. So this is how it

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Speaker 3: goes in order. Right Inflation is still number one by

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Speaker 3: a stretch. Sixty percent of us say that's the biggest

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Speaker 3: problem we're facing. Crime second, that's thirty five percent. Healthcare

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Speaker 3: and hospitals in line in third with thirty one percent.

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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to see that because I feel like too

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Speaker 3: many people are too complacent about the way that the

875
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: singer's breaking down. That's not what we should expect from

876
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: a first world country. Housing comes in at fourth twenty

877
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: nine percent. That's slipped from the second place. And rounding

878
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: out the top five is the economy with twenty seven percent,

879
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: saying that that's a concern now not so flash for

880
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: the government in this particular, EPSOS monitors issues monitor. It's

881
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 3: been driven a grade out of ten of four point six,

882
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: which is pretty much what they came in in November

883
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: or October with four point six. They are still on

884
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 3: four point six and it's just marginally ahead of the

885
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: worst place that the Labor government was in, which was

886
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 3: four point five fourteen past five. Choice is a good thing,

887
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: isn't it. Well, at least it's what we've been told.

888
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: But if you anything like me, sometimes too much choice

889
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890
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,400
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895
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905
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906
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Speaker 3: So this has been getting a little bit of chat,

907
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: hasn't it. A man got tossed out of a cafe

908
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: for staying too long. The man was, unfortunately for the cafe,

909
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: a reporter, so he wrote about it. He'd had a

910
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: breoshe and he'd had a coffee and then after an

911
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: hour the n aper cafe told him to leave. Now

912
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: here's Mark's story and he was on with Kerry this

913
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: morning and he said that he decided to write about

914
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: his experience in order to kick off a discussion about

915
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: whether an hour is long enough for a customer to

916
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: outstay their welcome.

917
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 19: I think to put a time limit on it that

918
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 19: boils it down a bit too far. Because you know,

919
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 19: I didn't use any salt and pepper. I don't have

920
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 19: sugar in my coffee and I don't use the restroom,

921
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 19: so save the money for toilet paper. It's so paid.

922
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: Got in touch with the cafe. They didn't respond to

923
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 3: a request for comment. Rish return Martin Bosley's with me now,

924
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: hay boss, hey, how you don I very well? Thank you?

925
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Would you have kicked him out

926
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: after an hour?

927
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 6: You know it's a tricky one, isn't it? Like what

928
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 6: was it after an hour? No way for an hour?

929
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 6: But I mean I think you've got it. You know,

930
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: it is real estate we're talking about, right, and it

931
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 6: is a business. It's not a public space. So different

932
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 6: cafes are going to have different sets of house rules.

933
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 6: I mean, I know in Australia it's really common there

934
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 6: on their menus to say that they expect the table

935
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 6: to be vacated within an hour of you're finishing whatever

936
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 6: it is you're eating or drinking, and make it quite

937
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 6: clear on a lot of their sort of house rules

938
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 6: as it were. You know, and you know you might

939
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 6: be using the toilet, might be plugging your laptop to

940
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 6: use their power. So I think it's kind of common sense,

941
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: but etiquette, you know, it's the place is empty and

942
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 6: there's hard anybody around. You're not you know, you're not

943
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: causing any problems, right, and I think you'd be absolutely fine.

944
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 6: Cafes want people, and the people are attracted to busy

945
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: places people sit and am having people sitting in there.

946
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: But I think if you're if you're sitting there and

947
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 6: you lector you haven't done anything, you have a board,

948
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 6: anything for at least an hour, and there's people coming

949
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: in clearly wanting the tables, and I think, do the

950
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 6: right thing, back up your stuff and go. But I

951
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 6: think you should probably buy something at least every hour,

952
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 6: you know, after every hour and a half, at least

953
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 6: just to pay, just to pay the rent on the table,

954
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 6: which is basically what you're essentially what you're doing the side.

955
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: Why why do we feel entitled to sit in a cafe?

956
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: I mean like I wouldn't feel like I was entitled

957
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: to come around to your house and just linger for

958
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: an hour, So why the entitlement from Mark?

959
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: And that's thingsatly right, Like it is like coming to

960
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: my house. It's like cafe is their personal expressions of self. Right,

961
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 6: So we opened the doors and might be wanted to

962
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 6: come in and see what as we're doing. But I

963
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 6: think some mus there's a perception that they have public

964
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 6: spaces and that we could do whatever you want of them.

965
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 6: You've open the doors, I can come in like I

966
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 6: do what I want. I can feed my children at

967
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 6: the table. I can bring my own food, bring my

968
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 6: own drinks. Sometimes, you know, like we just kind of

969
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 6: forget that actually it's a business, and it is like

970
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 6: someone's going to home and as you say, like you

971
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 6: come around to my plas back up and now and as,

972
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 6: and I'll be like I am here that your idea

973
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 6: anything else like your or your coat.

974
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Now I know the things to watch out for, the

975
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: coded language, bozz, Thank you very much, Thanks mate, look

976
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 3: after self. Martin Bosley resta ratur very very famous restaurant

977
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: tour heither Tim Costly owns multiple properties, some of them

978
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: are in a family trust which is allowed to do it.

979
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: Takes thirty five to forty minutes to way can now

980
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: these days after say four pm, et cetera, et cetera.

981
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: So I think that's at the heart of it, because

982
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: I did notice that, and I was like, I was

983
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: puzzled when I was reading the story. Why all the

984
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: mention of all the properties he owns in places that

985
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: don't matter, and the value of his property, and why

986
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: can I one point five million dollars riverside? I was like,

987
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: I don't care where he lives in Why can I?

988
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: Who cares? Oh that's why, because he's a rich guy

989
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: who isn't entitled to that money. Now I understands the

990
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: old is that one, isn't it the old green eyed monster?

991
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: Five twenty one.

992
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

993
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and newstalks.

994
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: That'd be five point twenty four. Listen, I am starting

995
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: to just go back to the oil and gas stuff

996
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 3: that we were starting we're talking about at the start

997
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: of the show. I'm starting to get a little nervous

998
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: about whether we're ever really going to be able to

999
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: attract overseas investors back into our oil and gas industry.

1000
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: When you think about it, right, the world has known

1001
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: since October last year that New Zealand was back open

1002
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: for business, because that is when the coalition government won

1003
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: the election, and the coalition government had made it very

1004
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 3: clear that when they got in I think all the

1005
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: three of the parties had made it clear that they

1006
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: would reverse the oil and gas ban. So since October

1007
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: the world new right. Things are going to change in

1008
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand. But from what I can tell, no one

1009
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: from overseas is interested in coming to New Zealand to

1010
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: do the work. And frankly, if no one's registered an

1011
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: interest in nine months, I think we might need to

1012
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 3: start getting realistic about this. It's probably over. That ship

1013
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: has sailed. You can sort of tell also by the

1014
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: language that Shane Jones is using that he might know

1015
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: this too, because he's talking about all of these efforts

1016
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: that he's making to try to make it more appealing

1017
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: for investors to come back. It's talked about bonds, now

1018
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: he's talking about trying to give them really, really long contracts.

1019
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: It's almost desperate stuff, because I think that he can

1020
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: already see after nine months no one's nibbling, and why

1021
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: would they nibble. I mean, Labour has already now on

1022
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: multiple occasions, raised the prospect that they are open to

1023
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: when they get back in nixing the projects all over again. Now,

1024
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: investors around the world are going to read that right,

1025
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: They're going to read that. On one hand, the current

1026
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: government is reversing the oil and gas band. But on

1027
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: the other hand, the next government is going to just

1028
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: put it back in place again. Who wants to put

1029
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: billions of dollars of investment in and then brooking from

1030
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: labor or Michael Woods from Megan Woods from labor, coming

1031
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: and ban your business all over again. I mean what

1032
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 3: that means for us, Like you know, in the real world,

1033
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: let's think about that. What that means for us is

1034
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: that short of a miracle and short of some overseas

1035
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: investor taking a punt on us, we are probably going

1036
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: to have to make do with what we've got. Now.

1037
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: That is not a good prospect. Because our gas is

1038
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: running out faster than we thought it would. We are

1039
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: facing lights out this winter because of a gas shortage.

1040
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: We have been warned that. It seems to me, and

1041
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say this because it's not great for

1042
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: the environment, but it seems to me Huntley is going

1043
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: to be a very busy girl burning all of that

1044
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: coal for a very long time.

1045
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: He ever do for Sellen.

1046
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: We have got just on that, by the way, and

1047
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to Nicola Willis about it when

1048
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: she's with us after six o'clock just you know what

1049
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: it's going to take to get these people back. But

1050
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: from what I understand, we've got about four or five

1051
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: oil and gas business is still in this country and

1052
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: we basically need to hope that they are going to

1053
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: be the ones to do any further exploration or just

1054
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 3: keep on tapping the existing fields. There are a couple

1055
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: of fields there at some fields, and a couple of

1056
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: them are notable, one off the coast of Raglan and

1057
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: another one off the coast of Tartanaki that we know

1058
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: there's gas in there, so they can go in if

1059
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: they want to. I'm just not sure they're going to

1060
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: want to invest the money. But anyway, in New Zealand

1061
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: has canceled all flights to New Caledonia until September. We're

1062
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: going to talk to Brent Thomas from a House of

1063
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 3: Travel about that in around about ten minutes time. NBR

1064
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: rich List has come out today. Now I love the

1065
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: NBR Rich List, and the reason I love it is

1066
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: because I love seeing how well keys are doing. It

1067
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: just gives me it. It gives me all kinds of

1068
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: pride and all kinds of sort of like dreaming big

1069
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: and thinking jeeus if the mobras can start their business

1070
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 3: in a garage in Cambridge. What kind of other amazing

1071
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: stuff is happening in a garage somewhere in this country

1072
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: that's going to make us rich one day. I particularly

1073
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: stoked about the Mobra family because they are the top

1074
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: of the list right now, and they're young, which is cool,

1075
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: and it's a great success story because, as I told you,

1076
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: they started in a garage in Cambridge and now they're

1077
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: worth twenty billion dollars. How about that? Mind lot so powerable?

1078
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 3: Marry yourself for a Mowbray Powerball's going to be chump

1079
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: change for the rest of your life. Anyway, we're going

1080
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: to talk to one of the guys who puts this

1081
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: list together, who'll be with us after half us six.

1082
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duperic Alan

1083
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: drive with One New Zealand let's get connected news talk

1084
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: z B. I could eat that girl for lunch and

1085
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: she dances on my m's like she might be.

1086
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Speaker 7: I could never get a love. I com by so

1087
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Speaker 7: much stuff, it's a craving a lot of crush.

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis is going to be with us after six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you noticed yesterday, but David Siemoll

1090
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Speaker 3: was doing that thing where he was like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: going to get to fifteen percent next election, which of

1092
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: course means where's that fifteen percent gonna come from. It's

1093
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Speaker 3: not gonna come from labor? Is that gonna come from

1094
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: national anyway. We'll we'll see what, We'll see how she

1095
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Speaker 3: feels about that. I don't think she'd be stoked. Heather

1096
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: really ought like maybe she just doesn't care. It's the

1097
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Speaker 3: other alternative. Heather re overseas investors. After the og ban,

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Speaker 3: the oil and gas ban, New Zealand was labeled a

1099
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Speaker 3: sovereign risk. Now that is really serious. It means the

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Speaker 3: government is not to be trusted and that is why

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Speaker 3: overseas investors are reluctant to return. I mean that makes sense, right,

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Speaker 3: You've got the whole world to throw your money at.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to take a punt unless you're some

1104
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Speaker 3: dodgy dude who's like the rest of the world is

1105
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Speaker 3: not going to take a punt on me. You're not

1106
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Speaker 3: gonna take a punt on New Zealand if we're a

1107
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Speaker 3: sovereign risk. Got some uber ratings for some of the

1108
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Speaker 3: mayors you want to hear them, you plummeth what Neil

1109
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Speaker 3: hold him? What a goody two shoes. He's got a

1110
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Speaker 3: five out of five uber rating. I don't know what

1111
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: that means. It's entirely possible that Neil is just a

1112
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Speaker 3: perfectly polite person who everybody loves. Or New Plymouth doesn't

1113
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Speaker 3: have ubers, so he's caught like one and he got

1114
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Speaker 3: a five out of five and that's where's rating has stayed. Campbell,

1115
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: Barry and lower Hut has got a four point nine

1116
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: to eight, which is impressive. Gisbane mayor Rahualt Stotts Stoltz

1117
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: has got a four point nine to three, also impressive.

1118
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: Nick Smith of four point eight four. Now that's slightly

1119
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: lower because he's spent a lot of time in Wellington.

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Speaker 3: They have got ubers, and he'll have caught lots and

1121
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Speaker 3: lots of ubers and maybe even some ubers on the terps.

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Speaker 3: That generally brings your rating down. All klamyor Wayne Brown

1123
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Speaker 3: four point seven, that's low. I mean that sounds high,

1124
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: but that's low because the national average is actually four

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Speaker 3: point eight eight. Dea'esn't surprise anybody that Wayne Brown's on

1126
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Speaker 3: a four point seven twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 1: To ever due for Sea Ellen in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Has suspended all of its flights to New Maya, New

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Speaker 3: Caledonia until the end of September. It's because the violence

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Speaker 3: still continues. Eight people have now died. Some streets over

1131
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 3: there are still barricaded by the pro independence protesters. Now

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00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: passengers who are booked with their New Zealand can either

1133
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: have their flight held in credit or they can get

1134
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Speaker 3: themselves a full refund. Brent Thomas is the chief operating

1135
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Speaker 3: officer of House of Travelers with US.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, Brent good evening, Heather, how many people would.

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Speaker 3: Be traveling to New Caledonia between now and then? How

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Speaker 3: many people are affected?

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Speaker 13: So it's not a major destination from New Zealand such

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Speaker 13: as fig or the Cook Islands. Having said that, there

1141
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Speaker 13: will be a few hundred people though, who are interrupted

1142
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Speaker 13: and who are expecting to have a holiday in the

1143
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 13: sun through our winter but will no longer be able

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Speaker 13: to make it.

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Speaker 3: Are other airlines doing the same thing?

1146
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 13: Well, there's only air Caring who that flies there as well.

1147
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 13: So we've got a situation where we've got a lack

1148
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Speaker 13: of capacity and so people are now going to have

1149
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 13: to think about are they going to get a refund,

1150
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 13: are they going to rebook to go somewhere else? And

1151
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 13: if they're rebooking to go somewhere else, places like Fiji

1152
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 13: and the Cook Islands and I start filling up pretty

1153
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 13: quickly given the cold with it we're now experiencing.

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Speaker 3: Do you suspect that in New Zealand may in fact

1155
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: be quite happy to pause the flights because if there

1156
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: aren't that many travelers it might not be that lucrative.

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00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 13: Well, that's up to the airline to decide what they do.

1158
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 13: But obviously in New Zone, and it's not their fault,

1159
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 13: have got engine problems and so therefore they have got

1160
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Speaker 13: a limited capacity in terms of those aircraft. So it

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Speaker 13: may be an opportunity for them to redeploy their aircraft

1162
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 13: in a better environment. But that's something that the news

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00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 13: arms have to comment on, Brent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, getting your refund on the airline is one

1165
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: thing and people will be stoked about that, but what

1166
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 3: about the hotels are they refunding?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's the situation that we're going to have to

1168
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 13: deal with on a case by case basis as to

1169
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 13: what people want to do and what refunds they can get,

1170
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Speaker 13: so there's no one blanket for that and we'll just

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Speaker 13: have to deal with them as they come through. It's

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Speaker 13: obviously something that has an impact because of the Air

1173
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 13: New Zealand decision, and so people will be looking to

1174
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 13: work out what they can do and where can they

1175
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Speaker 13: go for their holidays.

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Speaker 3: Brent, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 18: Mate.

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Speaker 3: That's Brent Thomas, House of Travel, Chief Operating Officer.

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Speaker 2: Twenty The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unparalleled

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Speaker 2: reach and.

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Speaker 3: Results went away from six Trius Shirson on the huddle

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Speaker 3: with us. From Shirson, Willis pr and Alie Jones read

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Speaker 3: pr Hello you too, Hello good Ey Tricia. You've seen

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Speaker 3: the announcement of the Chinese premiere visiting is a big deal.

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Speaker 20: I am seeing this as a big deal. I think

1186
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 20: it's overall it's good news for New Zealand. I think

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Speaker 20: what it signals is the work that has been done

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00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 20: since the election to try and send a signal to

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Speaker 20: the world that New Zealand is open for business. The

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Speaker 20: big push is to get more foreign direct investment, and

1191
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 20: we know we're a very difficult place to come and

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Speaker 20: get investment. So I think it is a really good thing,

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Speaker 20: and it is put everything else aside about China. They

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00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 20: are critical for New Zealand, not just in terms of trade,

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Speaker 20: but in terms of where we sit in the world.

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Speaker 20: So I think it is a really important visit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Allie?

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Speaker 21: I agree, But I think it's really interesting. You know,

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Speaker 21: Trich said put everything else aside about China. I think

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Speaker 21: that's the hard bit, and I'm not saying that I've

1201
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 21: got the answers and I'm not being critical of what

1202
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 21: you said, Trish, but I think that's always in the background,

1203
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 21: the human rights Hong Kong to bet and so forth.

1204
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Speaker 3: But look, I agree with you.

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Speaker 21: I think it is really important. I think it's particularly

1206
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 21: important with what's going on in the Pacific at the moment,

1207
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Speaker 21: with New Zealand being interested in the Pillar two of

1208
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 21: the Orchest partnership. But look, you've got to have people

1209
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Speaker 21: in the tent to have good diplomatic relations, and this

1210
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Speaker 21: is a start with that.

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Speaker 3: Tris you were speaking about, you know, being a difficult

1212
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: place to invest in. Do you think we will ever

1213
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: see the overseas investors return to the oil and gas industry.

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Speaker 20: Well, the key words I think came from your text

1215
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 20: just before we came on air that it is hard

1216
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 20: for big overseas investors to trust New Zealand. So you know,

1217
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 20: even though this government is doing everything it can to

1218
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 20: get out and hang out the welcome sign, if I

1219
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 20: were a big overseas investor and I'm making a decision

1220
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 20: about where to put my capital, I go, well, hang on.

1221
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 20: New Zealand's got a three year political cycle. The main

1222
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 20: opposition has said, hey, as soon as it got back

1223
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 20: and it would reverse this. I think it's going to

1224
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 20: make it really difficult. But you know, for me, this

1225
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 20: underscores the damage that the labor government has done to

1226
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 20: our economy and it will reverb for probably decades to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it seems at the moment, Ali, I think

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00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: Trisha's bang on, And it seems that the only solution

1230
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: that Shane Jones has landed on here is to offer

1231
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 3: these guys really, really really long contracts. Is that enough?

1232
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1233
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Speaker 21: But I did hear him this morning on ZB two

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00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 21: and he was talking about you know, I think Mike

1235
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 21: said to and whyn't you're doing this more quickly? And

1236
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 21: I think Shane Jones is right. You've got to give

1237
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 21: the world enough time to get not get used to,

1238
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 21: but for them for the government to start to woo

1239
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 21: them back. And that's probably part of it, is the

1240
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 21: length of the contracts.

1241
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Speaker 18: I mean.

1242
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Speaker 21: One thing I want to say though, is I do

1243
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 21: hope there's going to be a bit of a conversation

1244
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 21: about the environment. You know, I'm not talking about that

1245
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 21: one toadal that one skink, but we've got an area

1246
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 21: off our Canterbury.

1247
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: Coast that is a place where there's.

1248
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 21: Been exploration, offshore exploration just off our coast here, and

1249
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 21: unless there are really robust and well resourced emergency plans

1250
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 21: for spills or accidents, I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposal.

1251
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 21: And is anyone thinking about that? Is anyone talking about it?

1252
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 14: Like?

1253
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: Is there anything that we do other than think about

1254
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: the environment all the time?

1255
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 13: Ali?

1256
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: Well, how many boats have we got?

1257
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Speaker 21: I remember talking about this when I was on the

1258
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 21: christ Church City councilor a number of years ago, and

1259
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 21: it was one of those ridiculous situations that there was

1260
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 21: one boat I think in the entire country that could

1261
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 21: fix or turn up at a spill if there was

1262
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 21: a problem. So you know, I'd like to have that conversation.

1263
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: So upset my timer was going that is that is

1264
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: that your ring tone?

1265
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 20: No, it's a timer for something.

1266
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: I was going to say. If that's your ring tone,

1267
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 3: it would like I would panic every time and I.

1268
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 20: Don't even know I had set but just to.

1269
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Speaker 3: Do not even remember what it was for. No, I

1270
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: know that's point.

1271
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Speaker 20: It's terrible, but just to cover off these points and

1272
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 20: it's sort of Germaine after the protests over the weekend.

1273
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 20: It is not a binary choice in New Zealand between

1274
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 20: progress and investment and the environment. That that's point one.

1275
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: Point two.

1276
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 20: The major damage that happened with Labour's and gas band.

1277
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 20: Don't forget this. They sprung that on everyone and thought

1278
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 20: that was smart. They didn't tell the industry what was happening,

1279
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 20: and it was one They popped up one day and

1280
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 20: said you're out of here, and that was There was

1281
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 20: no consultation whatsoever. So I think that also is a

1282
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 20: big part of why there will be a lack of trust.

1283
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: How long trust do you reckon before we convince the

1284
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: world that that government and its incompetence was an aberration.

1285
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 20: Well, I think this government's trying to do that as

1286
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 20: quickly as possible. But again it comes back to these

1287
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 20: kinds of investments are done on a sort of a

1288
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 20: thirty forty fifty year horizon to get the return back

1289
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 20: from them. They need that certainty and what they won't

1290
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 20: be trusted, it's hard for them to trust. We've got

1291
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 20: a short electoral cycle and we've also got a labor

1292
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 20: opposition who appear to be moving threatening to do the same,

1293
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 20: well not only threatening to do the same, but they're

1294
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 20: getting more cooglar but going more in my view, more

1295
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 20: sort of anti business and anti investment. So that's going

1296
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 20: to make it difficult.

1297
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 21: And there's just one thing there though.

1298
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 20: Look, I agree with you.

1299
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 21: I'm all for a reasonable balance between protection of the

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Speaker 21: environment and business right from the resources sector.

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely a given.

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Speaker 21: But I do not think this has just got to

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Speaker 21: be a conversation about the resources and the business and

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Speaker 21: the money. We do have to think about the environment,

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Speaker 21: and it's got to be a balance here. Where's the

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Speaker 21: conversation about making sure that our environment is going to

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Speaker 21: be protected?

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break and Tricia's just going

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Speaker 3: to take a moment to try to remember what that

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Speaker 3: time always for when we'll come back. Order to.

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Speaker 20: Right.

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Speaker 3: We're back with the hardle Trisius and Allie Jones. We've

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Speaker 3: worked out so Tricia Ovens not on.

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Speaker 20: Well, not to my knowledge, because I can't really work.

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Speaker 3: Its running a bath and walked away from it.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 20: The only thing I can think is perhaps Siri during

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Speaker 20: the day has listened to me saying something and thought, oh,

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Speaker 20: I'll just pop a time.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I have to be with Heather on

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Speaker 3: the radio.

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Speaker 21: I thought you were buzzing me off. I thought I

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Speaker 21: was being voted off and I'd talked too long and

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Speaker 21: there was a buzzer going.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's not about idea all introduce. That's the show.

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Speaker 3: Listen Ali on really really serious and very sad subject.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling about the news that another baby

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Speaker 3: has died, this time a ten month old boy in Tikawitty.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we look, it's always it's always sad and tragic,

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Speaker 21: and I don't want that to sound flippant. It's just

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Speaker 21: revolting and awful. We don't know what happened, and I

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Speaker 21: don't want to talk about this case or allude to

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Speaker 21: anything that may have happened. In fact, we shouldn't anyway,

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Speaker 21: because it's now being investigated. But I don't think we

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Speaker 21: should ever get used to any news of a baby

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Speaker 21: or a toddler or a child dying. We do hear

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Speaker 21: about it far too often in this country, and I

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Speaker 21: think we may have become a little desensitized to it

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Speaker 21: because of television and social media and so forth. But yeah,

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Speaker 21: I mean, just absolutely tragic when a young child's life

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Speaker 21: is taken too soon. And look, as I said, we

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Speaker 21: don't know what happened. I would rather just and hear

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Speaker 21: what the Let's hope the police can actually do something

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Speaker 21: with this case too, because that's the other thing. Is

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Speaker 21: it going to be vexed again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you think, Trish, that we are getting used

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 20: Here's a number for you. This in my account will

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Speaker 20: be child baby fifty eight in eight years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So that is a really disgraceful number for New Zealand,

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Speaker 20: and it also makes you realize why we probably have

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Speaker 20: got desensitized to it, which is a terrible thing. Funny

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Speaker 20: this morning, I was pulling into the garage at work

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Speaker 20: and I heard this headline come on and you've just

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Speaker 20: feel that sick in the stomach, you know, you just

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Speaker 20: think all those every little kid in New Zealand. You

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Speaker 20: want to think that at night they're warm and dry

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Speaker 20: and they're being tucked in at bed in bedtime.

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Speaker 3: And non scared, not scared and read a story.

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Speaker 20: This is it's a real shame and it's a terrible

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Speaker 20: shame for a small town like t Equity. This will

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Speaker 20: be really felt in that community.

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope, so, I hope we all feel it

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Speaker 3: and demand some answers out of it. Allie on politics,

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Speaker 3: Tim Costley, the why CA and imp has been has

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Speaker 3: been outed for driving to Wellington, staying in a flat

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Speaker 3: in Wellington he owns, and then claiming the tax payer

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Speaker 3: money back on that. What's he doing wrong?

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Speaker 21: He's not doing anything wrong if you look at what

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Speaker 21: the rules allow. I just get the impression that they're

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Speaker 21: in New Zealanders and members of the media who would

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Speaker 21: only be happy if elective members and I mean both

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Speaker 21: local and central government here got paid minimum wage and

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Speaker 21: we're just wore sackcloth and ashes to work.

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Speaker 3: You know, let's just.

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Speaker 21: And stuck us in the village green On through tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I notice what you're saying us. You're part of the collective,

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Speaker 3: aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I am, and it is. We're constantly being accused of

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Speaker 21: earning too much or whatever, and it's a bloody difficult

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Speaker 21: job and it takes long hours. And I don't think

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Speaker 21: it's reasonable for someone or for people to expect someone

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Speaker 21: like this to commute these distances late at night and

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Speaker 21: starting early in the morning. For God's sake, let's been reasonable.

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Speaker 20: What do you think, Trisha, I think it's fair that

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Speaker 20: he's doing this. I wouldn't be driving late at night

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Speaker 20: sixty k's and I know everyone goes, oh, it's only

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Speaker 20: thirty minutes. Well, you know, you just don't know at

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Speaker 20: that time.

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Speaker 3: Of night, it's not thirty minutes. No, it's much longer.

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Speaker 3: I like forty five.

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Speaker 20: I totally, I totally agree. You know, when Rodney Hyde

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Speaker 20: came into Parliament with Act this is way back in

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Speaker 20: nineteen ninety six, he did the big perk busting campaign, right,

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Speaker 20: and a lot of this stuff was cleaned up around

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Speaker 20: MP's and I think that is a is a very

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Speaker 20: good thing. But I pick up on Allie's point to go,

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Speaker 20: we need to make sure we're focusing on the right

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 20: things and not just these gotcha moments around politics, because

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Speaker 20: my goodness, there's some big stuff on the radar that

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01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 20: we should all be focused on and worried about and

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Speaker 20: talking about to write.

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Speaker 3: Hey, very quick question for you, Ali. If somebody calls

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Speaker 3: you out of the blue and they've not arranged to

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Speaker 3: call you, how do you feel about it? Do you

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Speaker 3: get cross?

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Speaker 13: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 21: I need to know why someone's calling me. I mean,

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Speaker 21: it depends who it is. I mean there will you know,

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Speaker 21: if one of my kids calls me at an old

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01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 21: time and they haven't said they're going to ring or

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01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 21: you know, I think they're at work, Yes, I will

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01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 21: worry about that. But but actually too, if I'm in

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 21: the middle of doing something really focused and then someone

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01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 21: rings me and I'm not expecting the call, It's like.

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Speaker 3: What the hell are you doing? I'm busy?

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Speaker 21: So yes, it does make me a bit annoyed.

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Speaker 20: Yepsh doesn't doesn't worry me. I don't I ever answer

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Speaker 20: a number that I don't know.

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Speaker 14: I'd always let.

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Speaker 20: That go through the voicemail. But from a work perspective,

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Speaker 20: I know that if somebody is ringing me, it's generally

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Speaker 20: generally because they need something pretty quickly. And and as

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Speaker 20: a mum, if I see the kids' names come up. Well,

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Speaker 20: you know, sometimes it's a call, you're you'll manage the

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Speaker 20: call depending on what I'm kidding no or my husband

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Speaker 20: you know again, might triage those. But normally I find

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Speaker 20: it quite useful if people want to call and you know,

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Speaker 20: cut cut to stuff pretty greatly.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, thank you guys. I appreciate a

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Speaker 3: Trisha and Sheerson willis pr Allie Jones read PR and

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Speaker 3: explain why I asked that question? Just to tick seven

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Speaker 3: away from six?

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Speaker 2: What the huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional

1439
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: marketing for every property on your smart speaker, on the

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: iHeart app and in your car on your drive home.

1441
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 2: Heather Duples see allan drive with one New Zealand one

1442
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

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01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: Said, be hither you had an absolute hess he fit

1444
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 3: when Christopher Luxon was claiming back for the flat that

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01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: he owned in Wellington, he lives in Auckland. Why are

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 3: you now jumping up and down because of this bloke

1447
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: that lives in Why can I from Sue Oh that's

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 3: from Sue Comma or full stop from Sue Sue. Because

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: Chris Luxon had an alternative, which was Premiere House, and

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Speaker 3: he chose not to live there. Quite a different story. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis is with us after six. I want to

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Speaker 3: ask her about what's going on with the EV charging network,

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01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: because there are some people now saying that this could

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01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 3: be National's key we build, because they're probably not going

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Speaker 3: to be able to build these these EV charges that

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Speaker 3: they promise. I think that's completely over the top. I mean,

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Speaker 3: for a start, most of us want to see houses build.

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Speaker 3: That's why we care about Kiwi build. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think many of us care that much about the EV

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Speaker 3: charges of very few of us actually own electric vehicles,

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Speaker 3: so it's not the same at all. Anyway, why I

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Speaker 3: was asking those two before about whether they take phone calls,

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Speaker 3: it's because the Wall Street Journal is carrying a story

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Speaker 3: about how there are a considerable number of people who

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Speaker 3: get really upset if you call them out of the

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Speaker 3: blue without pre texting, like texting to pre arrange the

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Speaker 3: phone call. They say, for some people, there is nothing

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Speaker 3: more delightful than the surprise ringing of a phone that

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Speaker 3: signals somebody is thinking of them. For others, there's nothing ruder,

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Speaker 3: more intrusive, or panic inducing than an unannounced call. You

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Speaker 3: are out of your mind and possibly not in their

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Speaker 3: life if you're sending them a text first. Phone call

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 3: etiquette has never been more complicated. Family members, co workers' spouses,

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: and friends can't aground whether it's okay to call someone

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Speaker 3: without first alerting them via text that you plan to call.

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Speaker 3: And they've got a case of a woman who works

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Speaker 3: in Massachusetts, director of communications for a nonprofit. She needed

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Speaker 3: to get a work task done, so she needed to

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Speaker 3: call a con a colleague really quickly. She phoned him

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: without texting or emailing first, and apparently he was extremely

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01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: annoyed at her. And what it is is it's the

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Speaker 3: young people because they didn't grow up with landlines, so

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01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: they're not used to a phone just randomly ringing. They

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01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: are the ones who think you need to text first.

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Speaker 3: Robert Walters asked a question in March, asked a bunch

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Speaker 3: of people whether the phone is a productive form of

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Speaker 3: professional communication? And gen z Is like, of course it

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Speaker 3: is right. Gen z Is who are born between ninety

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Speaker 3: seven and twenty twelve, Only sixteen percent of them thought

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Speaker 3: the phone was a productive form of professional communication. Can

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Speaker 3: you believe it? News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: What, what's down?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 2: Were the major calls and how will it affect the

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Speaker 2: economy of the big business questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with the duplicy Allen and my Hr on News.

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Speaker 22: Talks MB.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, we're going

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Speaker 3: to have a chat to fran O'Sullivan shortly on the

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Speaker 3: Chinese premier's visit. One of the guys who does the

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Speaker 3: nbr's list is going to be with us after half

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 3: past six to talk us through the list out today

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Speaker 3: and Gavin Gray out of the UK as well at

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Speaker 3: seven past six and with us now we have Nikola

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Speaker 3: Willis Finance Minster. Hey, Nikola, Hello, how are you? I'm

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Speaker 3: very well, thank you. Now, how much power does the

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Speaker 3: Public Service Commission have in this investigation?

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Speaker 22: Well, it has powers into the Public Service Acts to

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 22: conduct independent inquiries. That means it can require information from

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 22: government agencies. It can provide oversight of their decision making

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01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 22: and investigate what's gone on. In this case, the two

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Speaker 22: party Maori allegations, the allegations of Manae Mudrai all relate

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Speaker 22: to New Zealander's personal information. So the concern that we

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 22: have is to ensure that government agencies have had the

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01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 22: proper processes in place to protect information and ensure that

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 22: any potential conflicts of interest have been well managed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it can compel evidence from the government agencies,

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: but can it compel evidence also from other people involved

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 3: in these allegations, like the White pa to trust, the

1520
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: Marti Party, et cetera.

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 22: No, in the first instance, you would expect that to

1522
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 22: be the role of the police or the Privacy Commissioner,

1523
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 22: who have their own coercive powers in relation to allegations

1524
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 22: that are made to them, should they.

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01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 5: Choose to use those powers.

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01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 22: So the reason we've got the Public Service Commissioner involved

1527
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 22: is really that we want to make sure that we've

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01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 22: got our own house and order as governments, which is

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 22: to say, have government agencies acted appropriately? Have they had

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 22: the good systems and processes? Is there any tune up

1531
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 22: that's required at our end? What are the facts here

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 22: about what's actually gone on? Because protecting New Zealander's data

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01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 22: goes to the heart of our democratic process and we

1534
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 22: need to make sure that if any mistakes have been

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 22: made yet, they are corrected.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this is going to look at, for example,

1537
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: if MSD just naming an agency or statistics New Zealand

1538
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 3: acted quickly when they were first these allegations.

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01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 22: Exactly, and also in the first place, when they set

1540
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,839
Speaker 22: up these arrangements, did they have appropriate safeguards in place

1541
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 22: for the protection of people's personal information by a third

1542
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 22: party providers? Did the safeguards work? Are there good institutional

1543
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 22: arrangements for the way personal information is used? Was there

1544
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 22: review to check that there were conflict if there were

1545
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 22: conflicts of interest where they properly managed. Those are issues

1546
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 22: that you can see matter in this case. But also

1547
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 22: we have to be clear that if there are any

1548
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 22: problems with processes that were fixed them for the future too.

1549
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: What if it was found that any of these agencies

1550
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: did not act properly and there's strong reason to suspect that,

1551
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 3: what's the consequence.

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01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 22: Well, in the first instance, the Public Service Commissioner would

1553
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 22: be doing fact finding, fund those facts and then make

1554
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 22: recommendations for what needs to change, what went wrong and why,

1555
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 22: and then those recommendations would come to me as minister

1556
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 22: in the first instance, I would involve other ministers and

1557
01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 22: we'd go from there.

1558
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a tricky thing to deal with,

1559
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1560
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 22: Well, I think we're all really conscious that there is

1561
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 22: an independent process being run by the police and the

1562
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 22: Privacy Commissioner, and it's not appropriate for there to be

1563
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 22: any political influence of those independent processes. At the same time,

1564
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 22: as a government, we do have an obligation here to

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 22: make sure that government agencies have done the right thing.

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you guys were considering what to do with this,

1567
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 3: and I know that you guys thought about it a

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 3: long time, I mean clearly you did. Right these allegations

1569
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: came out more than a week ago. Did you think

1570
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: about the possibility that the Marti Party could turn this

1571
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: into some sort of a Trumpian thing and start claiming

1572
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 3: a witch hunt.

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01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 22: Well, look, we're really conscious that because this involves another

1574
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 22: political party, that we have to act really carefully to

1575
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 22: make sure that it's not even perceived that we're acting

1576
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 22: on this for any political reason. That's not what is

1577
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 22: motivating us here. What this is about as New Zealander's data,

1578
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 22: their personal information, and we do want NGOs, non government

1579
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 22: organizations to be able to access that data sometimes in

1580
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 22: order to deliver good public services. But if we're going

1581
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 22: to do that, we have to be really sure it's

1582
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 22: being used appropriately and they're a good safeguards in.

1583
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: Place have any official investors indicated an interest in coming

1584
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: back to do any oil and gas work here.

1585
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 22: Look, I haven't got an update on that from Minister Jones,

1586
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 22: but I can tell you what he is very keen

1587
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 22: in everything he can to make it easier for them

1588
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 22: to come back. He at the weekend, of course, announced

1589
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 22: the reverse of the oil and gas band, but in

1590
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 22: the bill that he's putting forward, there are other changes

1591
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 22: to address concerns that overseas investors have had with investing

1592
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 22: in oil and gas exploration here. That's things like the

1593
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 22: restrictions that are emplaced on how permits are allocated, things

1594
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 22: like the decommissioning requirements and other regulatory matters which he's

1595
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 22: seeking to tidy up to make it an attractive place

1596
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 22: to invest.

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,879
Speaker 3: He wants to reprise the nineteen seventy three Mali gas contract.

1598
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 3: Would you be up for that?

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01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 22: Well, what I know is that we need gas as

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 22: a transition fuel if we're going to have reliable energy supply.

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 22: I don't want this to be a country where we

1602
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 22: literally have to tell our dairy factories to stop processing

1603
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 22: milk because there isn't enough gas for our schools and hospitals.

1604
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 22: And that is literally, something that we are having to

1605
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 22: contemplate a cabinet at the moment is what happens when

1606
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 22: the gas runs out. If it runs out, who are

1607
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 22: we going to ration and who's going to be at

1608
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 22: the back of the queue. That's not a way for

1609
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 22: developed country to run. So we have to be very

1610
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 22: open minded about it.

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. It's crazy that we're

1612
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 3: in this position. But would you be okay as going

1613
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 3: would you be up for going as far as the

1614
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three mile gas contract.

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 22: Well, I don't know anything about that contract either, so I'll.

1616
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 3: Tell you what. No, that's okay. The important thing in

1617
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: the Mali gas contract is that it was for a

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01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 3: long time, but it also made the Crown a shareholder,

1619
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 3: a stakeholder in a fifty percent owner. Would you be

1620
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 3: up for something like.

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 22: That, Well, I'd have to be convinced. I'd really have

1622
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 22: to be convinced that that's necessary for the taxpayer to

1623
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 22: make that investment. My preference would be for the private

1624
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 22: sector to be making those investments.

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going with the building the ten thousand

1626
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 3: ev charges? How many of you built?

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 22: We're still coming up with the perfect model there, so

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01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 22: is that a night.

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 3: No.

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 22: No, we kept money in the budget because we do

1631
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 22: think the government's got a role to play in building

1632
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 22: ev charges. The Minister of Transport is coming up with

1633
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 22: a model for how we do that co investment because

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01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 22: obviously we want to maximize private investment. We don't want

1635
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 22: the government going around building ev charges that the private

1636
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 22: sector would have happily built. So we're coming up with

1637
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 22: a model there to supercharge that program. But we also

1638
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 22: have another role, which is just reducing the red tape,

1639
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 22: the regulation, having consistent standards and working with the electricity

1640
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 22: authority or the connection costs for most matters. So Simeon's

1641
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 22: progressing that work. He'll be reputting back to Cabinet later

1642
01:14:58,479 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 22: this year.

1643
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: Nicholas, what are we going to do about Ussie deportations

1644
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 3: with these guys are going to start sending people back

1645
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 3: here who have in some cases not been in the

1646
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 3: country as adults.

1647
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right, And I find this one of those

1648
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 22: really difficult issues where just on the face of it,

1649
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 22: to me, seems wrong to be deporting people to New

1650
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,839
Speaker 22: Zealand who have no connection to New Zealand, whose formative

1651
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 22: experiences we're at Australia. At the same time, as I

1652
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 22: think it's a disappointing approach from Australia and regressible, I

1653
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 22: do recognize that as a sovereign country, they have the

1654
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 22: right to implement it.

1655
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 3: So what are we going to do about it?

1656
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 22: Though, Well, we're going to keep reminding the Australians off

1657
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 22: the commitments made to us, which is to apply a

1658
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 22: common sense approach to these decisions, and we're just going

1659
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 22: to have to keep being the flea in the area,

1660
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 22: reminding them of those commitments to us and the context

1661
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 22: of our strong and trusting relationship and expecting them to

1662
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 22: uphold those com up.

1663
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: What about a little bit of social investment, which you're

1664
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 3: the minister of at the border right, So, realizing that

1665
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 3: a lot of these people will come here and they

1666
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 3: will have not enough and not enough kind of I

1667
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: guess income and whatever to fall back on, and will

1668
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 3: therefore fool themselves into crime, maybe the social investment thing

1669
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 3: to do would be to provide them with enough accommodation

1670
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 3: to kind of see them through for a few weeks,

1671
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 3: help them find a job and stuff so they go

1672
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 3: on the straight and narrow.

1673
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 22: Look, I think there's something in that heither and it

1674
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 22: is something that I think's worth talking to the relevant

1675
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 22: authorities about because, as you say, if you've got people

1676
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 22: bouncing into the country with nowhere to live, no connection

1677
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 22: in their first port of call as the local gang,

1678
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 22: and that's a bad recipe for everyone involved. So it

1679
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 22: is something I'll take up with the Minister of Justice

1680
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 22: called Goldtsmouth and see what the thinking is there, because

1681
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 22: we all know five Oho one have reached a lot

1682
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 22: of havoc in our community.

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01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: Too, right they have.

1684
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,560
Speaker 3: Hey, Nicholas, thank you very much. We'll talk to you

1685
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 3: again in a week. Look after yourself. That's Nichola Willis,

1686
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 3: the Finance minister. So this is that. Let me just

1687
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 3: get you across the nineteen seventy three Mili gas contract.

1688
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: So what's going on, as I said earlier, is that

1689
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 3: we're not getting any nibbles from the offshore investors to

1690
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 3: come for the oil and gas expert, right, So Shane

1691
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: Jones is increasingly looking around to try and find what

1692
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 3: it is he can do to kind of get them interested.

1693
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 3: The original nineteen seventy three Maui Gas contract made the

1694
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: Crown a fifty percent shareholder in the Maui field it

1695
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 3: also committed to purchasing a substantial amount Like this is

1696
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 3: the Crown committed to purchasing a substantial amount of gas

1697
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 3: from the venture each year. Therefore they invest the new

1698
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 3: Crown's involved. It's not going to dissolve. They're going to

1699
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: take heaps of the gas. It's a surefire thing, right this,

1700
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 3: according to Politic, is what Shane Jones is thinking of doing.

1701
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 3: The trouble is he hasn't yet convinced National or Act

1702
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: that they need to get on board with this. Seventeen

1703
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 3: past six.

1704
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed dupic

1705
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: Ellen with.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR platform

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 2: for SME on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 3: Just a reminder, we're going to talk about the NMBR

1709
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: rich list in about fifteen minutes time. It's coming up

1710
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 3: twenty past six now the Chinese premier is going to

1711
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 3: visit New Zealand. It's the first time since twenty seventeen.

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 3: We spoke to Trade Minister Tod McLay about it. Earlier

1713
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: and right now in Zidney's Business commentator Frano Sullivan's with us.

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01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 3: Hello friend, good evening. How significant do you think this is?

1715
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 5: Well, it's very significant us for the very reason you

1716
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 5: said there hasn't been a visit for a very long time.

1717
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 5: More particularly, I mean really really he's coming here because

1718
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 5: he's also going to Australia and you know, essentially they've

1719
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 5: warmed that relationship up a bit now and the coercive

1720
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 5: behavior that China was exhibiting towards Australia has pretty much stopped.

1721
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 5: Normal trade has resumed and that's been something which has

1722
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 5: happened under alban Easy. We haven't had anything like that

1723
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 5: in our own relationship with China. We've been quite careful,

1724
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 5: we do. Over the last few years we've taken a

1725
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 5: much more robust approach and talked more openly about the

1726
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 5: things that concern New Zealand resum of China's behavior for

1727
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Speaker 5: instance in the South China Sea and more recently, you know,

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Speaker 5: issues around Aucus where essentially the government and is sort

1729
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 5: of has taken the view that it will make its

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01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 5: own mind what does in New Zealand security interests and

1731
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 5: so it's much more plain speaking now and it's taken

1732
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 5: China a while to get used to that, and you

1733
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 5: know it's going to be interesting. I'm picking it will

1734
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 5: be a pretty constructive visit though. I mean, you know

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 5: they'll have.

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Speaker 3: One of the things round that we need more than

1737
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 3: anything right now, is investment in this country.

1738
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 13: Right.

1739
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: Is there a direct line between somebody like him turning

1740
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 3: up and businesses in China seeing yep, it's a stable

1741
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 3: relationship and therefore investing in us.

1742
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 5: Well, I think that that is very much part of it,

1743
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 5: and there will be business optimism as a result of this.

1744
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 5: It's not so much China investing in here, it's more

1745
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 5: China buying our goods. That's a big thing. We do

1746
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 5: actually have substantial Chinese investment in New Zealand, and a

1747
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 5: lot of the Chinese investment is sort of staying home

1748
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 5: at the moment because things have been pretty pinched there

1749
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 5: and people have got over stretched with some of the

1750
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 5: large companies, so you know, that sort of hauled back

1751
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 5: of it. And one of the things China does want

1752
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 5: is much more streamline investment. It will want to know,

1753
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 5: for instance, you know how the government would apply a

1754
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,799
Speaker 5: security lens to any application by a major China company

1755
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 5: to practice come on here, be involved with energy or whatever,

1756
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 5: something which could significantly have a major impact in New Zealand.

1757
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 5: So these are the things that behind scenes we talked about,

1758
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 5: but we do expect the comprehensive strategic partnership will be

1759
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 5: upgraded than the movements on services trade trying wants faster

1760
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 5: visa entry. I mean it's painfully slow and it's actually

1761
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 5: hindering tourism and New Zealand as well. So there's a

1762
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 5: range of things. But after a very long time, and

1763
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 5: also after having had the COVID period as well, it's

1764
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 5: good to get this going two right, there's a lot

1765
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 5: out there is no is the Pacific and be part

1766
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 5: of that. Well, yeah, I think you know, hopefully the

1767
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 5: spy is a few more years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, dialogue is better than no dialogue. Hey, friend, thank

1769
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 3: you very much as always, friend of Sullivan Enzimy's Business Commentator,

1770
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: six twenty three.

1771
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1772
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

1773
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME news talks.

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 9: That'd be hey.

1775
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 3: By the way, the Marty parties put out a statement

1776
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 3: about the investigation to party Marty welcomes the investigation. That's

1777
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 3: all they say. To the point. To the point hither,

1778
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 3: I'm not anti gas, but it's not the only solution.

1779
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: We shouldn't sync everything into unfavorable contracts with gas companies

1780
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 3: when other solutions do exist. People need to let go

1781
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 3: of their emotional attachment to gas and ensure that we're

1782
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 3: actually taking a future focused approach. What are the other options?

1783
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 3: What are they? What do you want to We want

1784
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 3: solar power on everybody's roofs. I mean what, let go

1785
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,959
Speaker 3: of the emotional attachment to gas. I'm not an emotional

1786
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 3: attachment to gas. I've got an emotional attachment to the

1787
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 3: power being on Hoteya as a deeply emotional attachment that

1788
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 3: I've got deeply emotionally attached to lights, charging my cell

1789
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 3: phone and also I don't know the heating in the

1790
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 3: middle of winter. You text me back when we have

1791
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: the first blackout this winter, and then we can have

1792
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 3: a little cord it all about that, because that's going

1793
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 3: to be directly related to the shortage of gas, and

1794
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 3: then we'll see how you feel about your emotional attachment

1795
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: to gas. By the way, on the MBR list, turns

1796
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 3: out the NBR was underestimating the Mobray family's wealth for

1797
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 3: a really long time. They thought that the Mobray family

1798
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 3: were worth just three billion dollars and then they did

1799
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 3: an interview with them in the last year or so

1800
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 3: when Nick Mowbray was like, hot, our annual revenue is

1801
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 3: three billion dollars and so they're like, oh, now, we

1802
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 3: estimate them at twenty billion dollars. And even then they

1803
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 3: think that they might be underestimating the mobra's wealth at

1804
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 3: twenty billion dollars. So anyway, we're going to talk to

1805
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: one of the guys. It's a really fraught thing putting

1806
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 3: this list together. There's a lot of guesswork and stuff.

1807
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 3: Talk to the one of the guys who was responsible

1808
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: for putting the list together. He'll be with us after

1809
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: the headlines, which are coming up shortly.

1810
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 5: Now.

1811
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 3: I've got some good news and some bad news for Aucklanders.

1812
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 3: If you're being naughty with your recycling, you run the

1813
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 3: risk now of getting your bin taken away from your

1814
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 3: Auckland Council's gone public with it and they say, if

1815
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 3: you are regularly contaminating your recycling, then they're going to

1816
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: take you bin away. That's the bad news. The good

1817
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: news is are ever going to take you bad away?

1818
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 3: Because get a load of this right, They're going to

1819
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: give you three warnings. So obviously if you're doing this,

1820
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: when you get your first warning, you stop right you

1821
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: just push it as far as you possibly can. And

1822
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 3: then when they give you your first warning, immediately you

1823
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 3: stop and you start playing by the rules. Then you

1824
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 3: be absolutely fine. But even better, not only are they

1825
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 3: giving you three warnings, but that's after they've given you

1826
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 3: an education period, so they're going to educate you first.

1827
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: So that's basically four warnings because presumably they're going to

1828
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 3: put like a I don't know, like a sticker on

1829
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 3: your bin and be like, hey, this is how you recycle,

1830
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 3: or maybe they'll send somebody around to your house to

1831
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 3: have a chat with you about recycling. As you get

1832
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 3: tapes of warning, heapes of warning, hepes and heat, and

1833
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 3: if all of that fails, then you can always use

1834
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: the excuse that you were the good person. But then

1835
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 3: you put your bin out on Tuesday night, somebody must

1836
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: have chucked something in there before the guys arrived on

1837
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 3: Wednesday morning. You're welcome all of those excuses. Headlines.

1838
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 2: Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather

1839
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: Duplice Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,

1840
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME on us Talksbee.

1841
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: Get it graze with us out of the UK and

1842
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: ten minutes.

1843
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1844
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 3: Do we still do this? Producer Laura? Do we still

1845
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 3: do the one hundred miliari the thing in New Zealand?

1846
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: Would you have to do? We don't do that anymore.

1847
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: Thank god.

1848
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 3: That was annoying, wasn't it. You know that thing where

1849
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: they made you sort of like are you only allowed

1850
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 3: to have liquids when you're traveling internationally? Of one hundred million?

1851
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 3: It's been a long time since I've traveled internationally. I

1852
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: haven't traveled internationally for five years, to be honest and

1853
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 3: counting anyway, I went to Fiji. No, that doesn't count.

1854
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 3: Doesn't count, Okay, it does. Ok So I traveled a

1855
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 3: little bit the other day, but I can't remember. I

1856
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 3: don't remember anything about it. She's been traveling to Germany

1857
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 3: heaps at the time, anyway, so that's why she's the

1858
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 3: authority on it. Anyway. You know the thing where they

1859
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: made you put one hundred milli leter things in the

1860
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 3: clear plastic bag. I was so annoying. That's gone now

1861
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 3: except six UK airports have temporarily reintroduced this in It's

1862
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: kicking in as off Sunday, as in like kind of

1863
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 3: now wish Sunday. Their time is now as shower time.

1864
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 3: But apparently it's not a specific threat as if otherwise,

1865
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 3: why are you doing it?

1866
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: So?

1867
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 3: Anyway, Gavin Gray is going to talk us through that

1868
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 3: when he's with us shortly. Here's another excuse for you

1869
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: if you happen to get pinged by the people at

1870
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 3: Auckland Council. Reibbin the neighbors, Heather, what about the neighbors

1871
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 3: putting the used nappies and the expired chicken in their

1872
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 3: neighbors recycling bins? Exactly? You can't. Can you really be

1873
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: held responsible for what the neighbors do in the dead night?

1874
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean maybe both of their bins are full and

1875
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 3: you'r red binner is fuls now that chucking stuff in

1876
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,679
Speaker 3: your blue bin? Now, that's that's a very good excuse

1877
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 3: an argument to be using with the Auckland Council because

1878
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 3: they have to prove it won't. The twenty two away from.

1879
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Seven Heather duper c La So this year's rich.

1880
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 3: List, the Mobra family have dethroned Gavin Hart Graham heart

1881
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 3: brother and been I've already forgotten who he is yesterday's man,

1882
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Graham Heart. It's been named at the top of the

1883
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: NBR Rich list now. Zuru, as you know, are owned

1884
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 3: as owned by the brothers Matt and Nick Mobray and

1885
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: the NBR Reckons. The estimated worth has reached twenty billion dollars.

1886
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 3: Graham Heart is now a distant second. He's got an

1887
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 3: estimated worth of twelve point one billion dollars and the

1888
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 3: collective wealth of this year's list has been put at

1889
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 3: ninety five zero point sixty eight billion, which is up

1890
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent from last year. Hamish McNichol is the

1891
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 3: nbr's co editor with us now Hamish, Hello, Hey, how

1892
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: are you very well? Thank you? How have the Zuru

1893
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,799
Speaker 3: boys managed to get this rich so fast?

1894
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's an astonishing story and it's unlike anything I've

1895
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 23: seen before in business, particularly when you also consider that

1896
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 23: they don't have any external bank there. They've never taken

1897
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 23: a loan from the bank, and they've never raised any

1898
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 23: external capital either. They've just the whole time, they've just

1899
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 23: any profit they've made, they've reinvested it back in the

1900
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 23: business and they've managed to make this just an incredible

1901
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 23: machine that's tuning out money somebody.

1902
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Was saying to me that they've got an ambition like

1903
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 3: something crazy, like being the next Microsoft of that. Are

1904
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: they talking about that publicly?

1905
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 23: Yeah, Nick is quite open about wanting to be the

1906
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 23: next Tesler Google Apple. So we have them at three

1907
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 23: billion dollars revenue this year as a group, and Nick

1908
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 23: was telling us in an interview the other week that

1909
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 23: he wants to hit ten billion revenue in the next

1910
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 23: five years. That's so a long way off some of

1911
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 23: those companies, but you know, given how quickly they've grown

1912
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 23: and how big they are already, you can it's hard

1913
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 23: to bet against them at the moment.

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01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 3: When you heard him say to you that the revenue

1915
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 3: was going to be three billion a year, did that

1916
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 3: shock you because you guys only had their value at

1917
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 3: three billion.

1918
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 23: Yeah, it did we. I mean, they're a privately hard

1919
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 23: company that we've never really got the sort of an

1920
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 23: site that Nick gave us the other week in that

1921
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 23: interview he did with us. I think they're at a

1922
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 23: point now where, you know, most people know them as

1923
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 23: the toy company, and that's a two billion dollars a

1924
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 23: year business now, but they've also expanded and expanding into

1925
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 23: these other areas So they've got the consumer products company,

1926
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 23: which is things like Rascals nappies. They're making billions of

1927
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 23: nappies a year, Monday, haircare products like that. So that

1928
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 23: is now recording a billion dollars of revenue in a year,

1929
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 23: and just in just six years it's grown to that size.

1930
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 23: And now they're taking on automating the construction of property.

1931
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 23: They've bought a twenty five acre factory in China. They're

1932
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 23: starting to build test houses. The first ones of those

1933
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 23: should be up end of this year, early next year.

1934
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 23: And you know, if they tackle housing and can do

1935
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 23: it cheaper and more affordably across the world than who know,

1936
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 23: it's how big they can get.

1937
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 3: Are they just really clever?

1938
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 23: I think they're really clever. I think they are really

1939
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 23: driven and ambitious, and they're the sort of people who

1940
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 23: don't take no, you know, are happy to figure out

1941
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Speaker 23: how to do things their own way. I mean the

1942
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 23: way Nick talks about the processes that they've built. Every

1943
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 23: single component in the factories that they have has been

1944
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:13,919
Speaker 23: built in house. They just are so precise on everything

1945
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 23: and how they put everything together. And I think that

1946
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 23: level of attention to detail and care just goes to

1947
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 23: show how they've got to where they are now.

1948
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Speaker 3: Some of the businesses that you have had looked at

1949
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 3: look at on this rich list thinking about how to

1950
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 3: transfer their wealth to the next generation. Is there necessarily

1951
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: a next generation there?

1952
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 23: Yeah, and a lot of the family So we have

1953
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 23: one hundred and nine people profiled on the list this year,

1954
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,919
Speaker 23: and more than half of them are classified as families

1955
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 23: rather than just individuals. And a lot of those families

1956
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 23: have been there for a long time and they're sort

1957
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 23: of onto their third or fourth generation of ownership within

1958
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 23: the family of the family business. But then they've also

1959
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 23: got other examples. S Mark de Naichek and his partner

1960
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 23: Dorothy Spots with Dan and Wellington. They're donating all of

1961
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 23: their fortune, which we esumate about four hundred and fifty

1962
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 23: million dollars to the Nico Foundation in Wellington to giveaway.

1963
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 23: You've got Sukataki family who we've made newcomers this year.

1964
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 23: They came over from Japan about fifteen years ago. They've

1965
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 23: got their still investment Vehicle which has an ambition to

1966
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 23: invest in one hundred New Zealand companies over the next

1967
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 23: ten to twenty years. And all of those companies and

1968
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 23: ideas that they want to invest in are all about

1969
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 23: one hundred year timeframes and horizons as well. So this

1970
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 23: is thinking regardless of government, regardless of policies, all sorts

1971
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 23: of stuff. What sort of ideas, what sort of businesses

1972
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 23: can we back that will have intergenerational effects?

1973
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 3: Interesting stuff? And will there be an impact do you

1974
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 3: think on I don't know, the property market, things like that.

1975
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 3: As this money passes from generation to generation.

1976
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 23: Well that's the big thing, and that's what everyone is

1977
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 23: thinking about globally as well. It's estimated that there's US

1978
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 23: ninety trillion dollars of assets to pass down from the

1979
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 23: baby boomer generation to the next generation over the next

1980
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 23: ten to twenty years. And you know, if you are

1981
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 23: below the Baby Boom generation or even younger than that,

1982
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 23: and then you're your parents or your grandparents have built

1983
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 23: up all this wealth and they suddenly hand it to you.

1984
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 23: What are you going to do with it? Are you

1985
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 23: going to put it into property? Are you going to

1986
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 23: stop working? Are you going to invest it? This sort

1987
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 23: of creates all sorts of questions about how people are

1988
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 23: going to handle this and what it means for the

1989
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 23: future of work and property and things like that.

1990
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting, Hamish, thank you for your time, appreciating

1991
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,799
Speaker 3: well done on the list. That's Hamish McNichol, mbr CO editor.

1992
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 3: All right, get a load of this. Something funny going

1993
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 3: on in christ Church re Hornby's new library and indoor

1994
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 3: pool complex. Now this thing has only been open for

1995
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 3: seven weeks, so let's round it up. You say a

1996
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 3: couple of months, right, and the council won't say it's

1997
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 3: be open, it's built, it's there. And if you go

1998
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 3: to the council you say how much did that cost?

1999
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 3: They got not going to tell you, not going to

2000
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 3: tell you for a year. Why the secret where hell?

2001
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 3: Back in twenty seventeen, the original budget was thirty four

2002
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 3: million dollars, but then it blew out to thirty nine

2003
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 3: point nine million dollars, so it's basically forty from thirty

2004
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 3: four to forty. And then in November twenty twenty two

2005
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 3: the council decided to increase the budget even more than

2006
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: the forty million dollars, but they didn't say by how much.

2007
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 3: And then last week they were asked again because it

2008
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 3: has been like more than eighteen months, like how much

2009
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 3: are you gon in? Like how much is it up? By,

2010
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: and again they didn't want to say. They say it's

2011
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 3: a secret, and it's going to be a secret for

2012
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 3: another year until the twelve month defect liability period is up. Now,

2013
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 3: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that

2014
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 3: the most likely reason that they're keeping it a secret

2015
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 3: is blown out by a huge amount of money, isn't it.

2016
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 3: And if people found out right now, they're going to

2017
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,560
Speaker 3: flip their lids. And so maybe the best things to

2018
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 3: is keep it a secret until people have all used

2019
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 3: the Hornby Library and in Dogpool Complex and then they

2020
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 3: love it like, oh, it's worth it's worth paying huge

2021
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 3: amount of money for it. The clue as to how

2022
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 3: much it does cost is back in November twenty twenty two,

2023
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 3: when they decided that they would increase the budget. A

2024
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 3: couple of days after that decision, the council published a

2025
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: meeting agenda so long that it stretched to four hundred

2026
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 3: and ninety four pages, and in it, on page two

2027
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 3: hundred and forty, they said the cost was now forty

2028
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 3: six point nine million dollars. And then they said, oh, whoopsie, no,

2029
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 3: that shouldn't have been in there. It's not quite correct,

2030
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 3: not quite correct, but let's just use that as a clue.

2031
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 3: So it went from thirty four to forty and now

2032
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 3: it's forty seven. Not quite correct.

2033
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Now.

2034
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem necessarily with a cost blowout.

2035
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: These things happen. Just have a real problem with counsels

2036
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 3: being sneaky and thinking rate payers don't deserve to know

2037
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 3: what's going on. Sort it out, christ Church, you work

2038
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,520
Speaker 3: for the rate payers, Tell the rate payers quarter two.

2039
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

2040
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

2041
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME used talksp.

2042
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with US now even in

2043
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 3: Gavin Hier have what do you reckon? Has caused the

2044
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 3: swing to the right in the European elections.

2045
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 24: Look, I think migration is a massive factor for many

2046
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:56,480
Speaker 24: in Europe. They've seen hundreds of thousands of the asylum

2047
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 24: seekers come across from Northern Africa, but also from other

2048
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 24: places around the world where perhaps you wouldn't expect asylum

2049
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 24: seekers to claim the need to move from. But I

2050
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 24: think that's behind a lot of it. I think there's

2051
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 24: dissatisfaction at the sort of way in which the EU

2052
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 24: Parliament is operating, in the way it's run and what

2053
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 24: it's achieving. It seemed by some to be rather sluggish

2054
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:24,759
Speaker 24: in responding to massive topics like immigration, but also cybersecurity, trade,

2055
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 24: the response to the pandemic I didn't think was particularly clever,

2056
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 24: and so this has been a massive story overnight. Here

2057
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 24: the four day vote came to an end. The big

2058
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 24: headline comes from France, where the far right National Rally

2059
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 24: Party really trounced Emmanuel Matcron's party, the President's Party, with

2060
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 24: more than double the number of votes to Marine La

2061
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 24: Penn's National Rally. But also really the European Parliament now

2062
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 24: see a big strengthening of the right wing center right parties,

2063
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 24: with victories in Germany, Greece, poland Spain, big advances in

2064
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 24: Hungary against the long dominant Victor Auburn, the Prime Minister.

2065
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 24: There So the twenty seven countries all voting across these

2066
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 24: four days at the center right will now command one

2067
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 24: hundred and eighty four seats from the seven hundred and

2068
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 24: twenty seat European Parliament.

2069
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: The far right, the far right.

2070
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 24: Didn't enjoy the big surge that had been predicted by

2071
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:26,839
Speaker 24: some in the Netherlands, the anti Islam populist Wilda's Freedom

2072
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 24: Party came second, not first, but Germany's opposition Conservatives well

2073
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 24: always going to come out top. They scored a thirty

2074
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 24: percent of the vote. But the Chancellor Olaf Schultz's SPD

2075
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,799
Speaker 24: party had the worst ever result in a European election.

2076
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 24: It came third behind the far right alternative for Alternative

2077
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 24: for Germany the AfD party. In Spain, the center right

2078
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 24: opposition Popular Party defeated the Prime Minister Georgia Moloney. In

2079
01:35:57,160 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 24: Italy she strengthened her hand with a very good vote

2080
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 24: for her, and in Austria the far right Freedom Party

2081
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 24: on course for a narrow but unprecedented victory. In the

2082
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 24: European vote, wherever you look, there are some surprising results.

2083
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 24: Perhaps not the big night the far right wanted, but

2084
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 24: a very good night for the center right and right

2085
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 24: wing generally.

2086
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 3: Do you think mcran's making a mistake calling the snap.

2087
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 24: Election, Well, I have to say he loves stealing a

2088
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 24: bit of the Lime Knight in the European Union and

2089
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 24: amongst European parliaments. So as you know, before the votes

2090
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 24: were counted, he suddenly announced with this idea that Marine

2091
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 24: Le Penn's National Party was doing extremely well that he

2092
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 24: would call a snap election. Now it takes place. There

2093
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 24: are two rounds of voting in France, the thirtieth of

2094
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,600
Speaker 24: June the seventh of July, and yes, you're right, that

2095
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 24: is just a few days before the Paris Olympics. And

2096
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,799
Speaker 24: it looks like, I mean, his party was absolutely trounced.

2097
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 24: But is he right to call an election. It's been

2098
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 24: a stunning surprise for everyone. I mean, he could have

2099
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 24: just toughed it out. He is still president for another

2100
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 24: couple of years, but he has now lost his majority

2101
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,600
Speaker 24: in the French Parliament. He could have just tried to

2102
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 24: tough it out and carry on. We've got the Euros coming,

2103
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 24: we've got the Olympics coming. He would have been in

2104
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,440
Speaker 24: the spotlight if both go well for France, and spotlight

2105
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 24: for all the good reasons. But he's taken this huge

2106
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 24: risk and now faces well, frankly, getting things very very

2107
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 24: difficult to get any bill through the National Assembly already

2108
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 24: a struggle, but now losing that majority. It really is

2109
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 24: an explosive, potentially explosive decision to make, and who knows,

2110
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 24: perhaps in the not too distant future, we might see

2111
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 24: Prime Minister Marine la Penn for the National Rally Party,

2112
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 24: the far right party in France.

2113
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,680
Speaker 3: Very interesting stuff, Kevin, thank you so much. Always appreciate it.

2114
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 3: We'll check you in a couple of days. It's Devin Gray,

2115
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 3: our UK correspondent. Didn't have time to talk Togevin about

2116
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 3: the one hundred one hundred mili liter you know, thingy

2117
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 3: thin thing that you're allowed to the restrictions coming back

2118
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,240
Speaker 3: in about six of the regional airports over in the UCAP.

2119
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 3: I've got something else for you on what you should

2120
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 3: be aware of with your luggage. This is from a

2121
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 3: worker at Dublin. At Dublin Airport, if you're one of

2122
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 3: those people who likes to tie like a little yellow

2123
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 3: ribbon or a little pink ribbon or something to the

2124
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 3: handle in order to be able to see your bag

2125
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: from whoo over there, there's my bag, there's my rabbin.

2126
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,919
Speaker 3: Don't do it. It can interfere with the airport's automatic

2127
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 3: scanning systems and cause delays. Delays are the best case scenario.

2128
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 3: For your worst case scenarios, your bag just doesn't make

2129
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 3: it onto the plane at all. That would not be great. Also,

2130
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 3: this I think would apply to a very small group

2131
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 3: of people. Don't put Marsipan in your luggage because Marsipan's

2132
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 3: density is similar to some explosives. Very small group of

2133
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 3: people seven away from seven.

2134
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 2: Whether it's Macro MicroB or just Plaine economics, it's all

2135
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 2: on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

2136
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme used talksp.

2137
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 3: There are benefits to having a German producer on the show,

2138
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 3: who we lovingly refer to as the German or alternatively

2139
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 3: the German producer or things like that, just so that

2140
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 3: you are aware that I'm working with the German, which

2141
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 3: is why this show is as efficient as it is

2142
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 3: and always, you know, like on point, because nobody works

2143
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 3: as hard as a German. Anyway, there are benefits to

2144
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 3: having a German producer on this show because she is

2145
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 3: the only person in my life how I can talk

2146
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 3: to about the beauty of a marspan. A marsa pan

2147
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 3: is a wonderful thing. But also then we can expand

2148
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 3: the conversation to the Marsipan being the best bit of

2149
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 3: the Stoalin, you know what I mean. And then because

2150
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 3: I was complaining as Stalin is a very boring thing

2151
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,679
Speaker 3: unless you've got If you don't know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 3: that's because you don't have a German producer and you

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Speaker 3: need to start googling this stuff and you need to

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Speaker 3: introduce is this a Christmas thing? You need to introduce

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Speaker 3: this to your Christmas Okay. But I was complaining to

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Speaker 3: her because I was saying, I need my Marsipan doll

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Speaker 3: up within my stalin to be massive, and if it isn't,

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Speaker 3: I just this boring. Why am I eating that much bread?

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Speaker 3: And then she changed my life and she said, you

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Speaker 3: do put lots and lots and lots of butter on

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Speaker 3: your stalin, don't you? And I was, it's like, what

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Speaker 3: am I?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: So now having gone, I've literally gone. I literally threw

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Speaker 3: my mum's Christmas stollin away the other day. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to eat this boring bread nonsense. But

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Speaker 3: now I'm going to go and hunt out of stalin

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the year and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: put butter all over it because I need to experience this.

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Speaker 3: You want something, you want to share it with me?

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Speaker 3: Am I not going to fight do our daily bread?

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Speaker 3: Not do it in the middle of the winter. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well you want to go halves if I find it, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: she's going halves with me. Good because their bloody expensive

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Speaker 3: as well, and.

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Speaker 25: Just don't track it on the plane with it if

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Speaker 25: it's covered in muddy. Best of you by the Food

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Speaker 25: Fighters to play us out tonight. A drummer named Greg

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Speaker 25: Barton has decided that he's going to play every food

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Speaker 25: Fighter song if I made a one sitting for charity.

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Speaker 25: Decided he was going to do it, and he did.

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Speaker 25: It took him nine hours and he did and he

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Speaker 25: just went on the drums, on the drums, did drum

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Speaker 25: covers every song off every Foo Fighters album. Did it

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Speaker 25: to raise money for charity, and he raised more than

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Speaker 25: twelve thousand New Zealand dollars.

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Speaker 8: So very well done.

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Speaker 3: Do you have music with it or just drumming?

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Speaker 25: I haven't actually watched the live stream yet, but you

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Speaker 25: can check it out. His name's Greg Barton and the

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Speaker 25: whole live stream it's nine hours long. You can put

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Speaker 25: it up on you can find on the internet too

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Speaker 25: if you want to watch the whole line.

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Speaker 3: You'd hope to do. He did it with the with

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Speaker 3: the enthusiasm of Taylor the drummer rip.

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Speaker 25: But for nine hours that would be really difficult.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: OMG, Heather Stalin is by no means boring. No, it's

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Speaker 3: not boring now that you know, you've got to put

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Speaker 3: the butter on it. Yes, butter that butter with the

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Speaker 3: little bits of sultanate O. I'm here for that. See

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow

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