1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you're one. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 2: Of a kind onion breath hither. I can smell it 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: from Hawk's bait you. No, here's the thing, because you're 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: only getting a forty percent onion flavor. You're not getting 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: the onion breath, are you? 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 3: So? You that? 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: So maybe if you want to, you know, munch down 8 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: on an onion and then head out for a hot date, 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: this is your guy to go to because you're not 10 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: going to be You're not gonna be chasing any vampires 11 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: away with us? Are you with us? On the huddle 12 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: we have Trish Sherson and Stuart Nash. Hello you too? 13 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: Hello here there's Trish. How are you well? 14 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Thank you? How are you going? Trish? I'll see you 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: faced your onion away from me though. 16 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 4: So Stuart, you know you're lucky you're not in the 17 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 4: studio because I walked in, I had a cut onion 18 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 4: thrust under my eyes and been treated like some sort 19 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: of human guinea pig. 20 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: Do you want to? I tell you what would you 21 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: take a little nibble on that for me and just 22 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: tell me what you think flavor wise? If we're getting 23 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: if we're getting, like, I think it's a forty percent. 24 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: You smell o breath, Trish, Well, what do you think. 25 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 4: I'm a big onion fan and I think, like with anything, 26 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 4: there's no free lunch, so you're not going to get 27 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 4: the no teens compromise. There's a trade off. 28 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Here, yeah, and are you tasting that trade off? 29 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: It's not too bad, Yeah, not too bad, but not 30 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 4: the full oomph Yeah. 31 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: Okay, anyways to you. So, I don't know if you 32 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: you probably don't care in the slightest about this, but 33 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: what you probably love to do is have a crack 34 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: at the government. So what's your reaction to the fact 35 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: they've only reduced the public servants by two thousand. 36 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: At the bottom line? As as David Seymour was out 37 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: after the budget having a real go at the government. 38 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: This is a This is an Associate Finance Minist's saying 39 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: publicly that the government hasn't cut spinning enough. In fact, 40 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: he was the one that highlighted that Grant Ronson was 41 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: spending less in our years of this government spending now. 42 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: So but for me, it's not about cutting. It's not 43 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: about the number of public servantship cuts, the quality of 44 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: services deliver and I just don't think there's been a 45 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: notice will increase at all. In fact that I think 46 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: there's been an erosion in the quality of publics. 47 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: Were you surprised by that trush to hear it was 48 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: only down by two thousand after all of this. 49 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: Well, I heard the Prime Minister this morning on the 50 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: interview with Mike Hosking and he was sort of dancing 51 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: around the head of a pin on this and trying 52 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: to say, oh, look, this is all about getting outcomes 53 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: in the front line. There's a couple of things here. 54 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: One is I think for the government there is a 55 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: divergence at the moment between what they're saying and the 56 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 4: results that New Zealanders are actually seen on the ground. 57 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 4: So even if you take the economy, you know there's 58 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: a lot of hype. 59 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: Around going gangbusters, going. 60 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: Gangbusters, Well that's just not the not the case, and 61 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 4: there is a there's there's a real danger in that 62 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 4: because you know New Zealanders are they're still in tough times. 63 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: It's a big grind and they really want to see 64 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: that you know that there is a there is an 65 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 4: end in sight. 66 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you think Stu, that we realize as voters 67 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: that there is something close to something of a crisis 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: going on at the moment right the country is in 69 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: a really bad way and tough decisions have to be taken. 70 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: And part of the problem here is the government is 71 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: not being seen to take those decisions. 72 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: They're not they're not. You know, Chris Lucksen made a 73 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: virtue with the fact that you know he knows how 74 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: to run a country because he ran in New Zealand. Well, 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: well news, Chris country, New Zealand is not in New Zealand. 76 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: And just because you run a big corporate it doesn't 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: mean you know how to run a country particularly effectively. 78 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: And I agree with Trisha. I agree with the vast 79 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: majority of people I talked to, and including a whole 80 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: of your list, is no doubt who were saying these 81 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: guys made a whole lot of promises around how they 82 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: were going to drive economic growth and productivity, They're going 83 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: to get rid of the cost of the eleven crisis, 84 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Nothing has happened after eighteen months. 85 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of people out there who 86 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: voted for Luxem because he was the CEO of the 87 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: in New Zealand, who have every right feel a little 88 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: bit disappointed at this point in time, I would say, 89 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: I would. 90 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Say, so what do you think, though, Trish? The counterfactual 91 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: is if they were prepared to take the really tough decisions, 92 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: and I think I think Ruth Richardson was talking about 93 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: this yesterday on Q and A, where you know, you 94 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: have to take the decisions that will potentially lead people 95 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: to hate you. If they took it, would they be 96 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: more popular? 97 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: Well, while we're putting the slipper in, it is good 98 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: to recognize that there are some big reforms happening. So 99 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: the RIMA stuff that is really good stuff, the education 100 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: stuff that is really good stuff. My concern is that 101 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: in terms of the economy, there is a propensity to 102 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: go after the easy, shiny things on the periphery. I mean, 103 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 4: think about how much energy has been expended on pumping 104 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 4: up the investment boost for companies. Look, it's great, but 105 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 4: at the moment companies have to have the capital available 106 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: to be able to invest and to get the investment 107 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: for both. 108 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: Sure, it's not great. Will I see that it's going 109 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 3: to increase GDP by one percent over twenty years and 110 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: the investment boost was the you know, was the crowning 111 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: glory in her budget one percent over twenty years. I 112 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: don't think that's particularly aspiration of the truck. 113 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 4: Well this is the issue, though, isn't it. 114 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: You know? 115 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 4: I know you referenced earlier Heather the eighty four love 116 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: Labor government and look at what Ruth Richardson had to 117 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: do in nineteen ninety. In my view, we have got 118 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: away from governments who really want to get under the 119 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: hood of serious policy issues and address them, whether or not. 120 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: That means, you know, you might be in for you know, 121 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: not for a long time, but that is really the 122 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: purpose of being in parliament. And I think that really 123 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: hard policy grunt work isn't happening as much as it 124 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 4: should be. I know it's easy to say that from 125 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 4: the outside, but look at you know, other debates that 126 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: are going on at the moment, the likes of superannuation, 127 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: and it's hard to get a read on are we 128 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 4: really going to tackle that. 129 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Or are we not? 130 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: Are you so tris what you're saying is they're putting 131 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: their reelection chances ahead of making those really tough calls 132 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: that actually we need to make as a country. 133 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 4: On balance, if I look at what's happening right now, 134 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: I would say yes, if the rhetoric is right that 135 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: we have come through and we're still in the worst 136 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 4: recession historically, then that means the decisions that you making 137 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 4: are making are very big, the structural and the fundamental, 138 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 4: and they aim to getting that structural debt fixed up. 139 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 3: I would go a little bit further than that. I 140 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: think any government can make changes if they go to 141 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: the public with a bold vision and then they say 142 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 3: this is where we want the country to be and 143 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: pick a time ten twenty thirty years out and this 144 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: is what we need to do enable in order to 145 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 3: be able to achieve that. What I would say around 146 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: this government is there is actually no bold vision that 147 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 3: people can buy into and look at and go oh yeah, okay, 148 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: that's why they're doing this. It just seems very it's 149 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: not even business as usual. It's sort of muddling on 150 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: through with a strong dose of mediocrity. 151 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: Well well and rich coming from you, stew. 152 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I will agree with you. Look, 153 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think in twenty twenty to 154 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three we had an opportunity to be really 155 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: transformational because we had over fifty percent of the vote. 156 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: And I don't think that the second term of our 157 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: government we took advantage of that when we absolutely should have. 158 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: And that's a you know, that's a story for another day. 159 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: But we had that opportunity, we didn't take advantage. But 160 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: this government has learned nothing from any other government and 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: so there is no vision, There is no bold aspiration. 162 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: It is just like I said, it's just mediocrity, which 163 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: is not good for our country at this point in time. 164 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break, come back to you guys. 165 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: It's thirteen minutes away from six. 166 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary 167 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach. 168 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle Stuart Nash and Trisherson. Stu, what 169 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: did you make of the sick leave debarcle today? 170 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: I always listened to that interview and I thought to myself, 171 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: I didn't know that this was one of their policies. 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: And I also thought to himself, well, they've pissed off 173 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: every single woman in the country with pay equity, and 174 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: now they're going to piss off every single work of 175 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: cutting back sickly to five days. Wow. And then I 176 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: read that it actually wasn't one of their policies, and 177 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: I heard Brook van Belden being interviewed earlier on she 178 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: said everyone's got to allow to be a human and 179 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: I'm going here, but the Prime Minister should know the policies. 180 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: I thought that was unbelievable, but you know Chris Lackslin's 181 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: track record, it wasn't surprising, to be honest, What do 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: you think, Chrish. 183 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: I listen every Monday to that interview with the PM 184 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: because it's a good setup, particularly for the huddle, and 185 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: I think if you went and analyzed pretty much every 186 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 4: one of those weekly interviews, there would be something on 187 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: a scale of small to big gaffs that someone picks 188 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 4: up on during the day. So the most recent example 189 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: I thought of was when there was the stoush over 190 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: banning social media for under sixteens. The Prime Minister was 191 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 4: on being interviewed about it and he said, oh, well, 192 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: you know ACT was opposed to it, but they are 193 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 4: changing their position over the Weekendavid Semol was out within 194 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: about five minutes saying absolutely no, we're not and there 195 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: are You know that this sounds a little bit like 196 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 4: telling someone how to suck eggs. But when I listen 197 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: to Chris Luxen, I often think of two great acronyms 198 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 4: that can help you in your work life not dig 199 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: yourself into holes with talking too much. Number one is wait, 200 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: why am I talking? Number two is waste? Why am 201 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: I still talking? And I think that's often where these 202 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 4: gafts come from. It's from wanting to not say no, 203 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: I don't know, no, we're not doing that and and 204 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: sort of really take take take the bull by the 205 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 4: horns in these interviews, rather than trying to be the 206 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: nice guy. 207 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, is he trying to be too agreeable to you? 208 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: Is that what's up? 209 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, you know, Mike is a mass interviewer, you know, 210 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: second only to you here that and you know I 211 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 3: love that wait and waste. I wish I knew that 212 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 3: five years ago. But but you know, he has the 213 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: ability to draw things out of people in a way 214 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 3: very very few other interviewers are. And I agree with you. 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 3: I think Chris likes to be liked. He knows that 216 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: his media performances in the past haven't been great Chris luctnesses, 217 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: and so if he agrees with Mike and gets Mike 218 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: on side, it's all goes he thinks it all goes 219 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: very well, but then you end up with this pr 220 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: disaster where you've got his coalition partner on saying well, no, 221 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: we're not going to do that, and we discussed that 222 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 3: about a year ago and decided we wouldn't go down 223 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: that track. I mean, I don't know what's going on 224 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 3: the ninth floor, but I do know. You know, whenever 225 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: I was a minister, and I've seen what the Prime 226 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 3: minister gets when you're about to go on a show 227 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: like Mike Costking or hither Duke to see Allen, you 228 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: brief like there is no tomorrow, so you are over 229 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: every single topic that could possibly be asked. And I 230 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: don't know if his press sex just aren't giving him 231 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: the briefing notes or what's going on. But as Tri said, 232 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: it just seems to be gaff after gaff after gaff 233 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: and he's just not learning. It's quite surprising. 234 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: I think the problem is it goes to that underlying 235 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 4: theme of inauthenticity that's coming across and that's why there's 236 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: just no traction being gained in the preferred Prime Minister 237 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: ratings because there's really nothing for you to grasp onto 238 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 4: when you listen to these interviews apart from the odd mistake. 239 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, listen, how's your onion breath? 240 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: Well, as I said to you, it's it's a strong 241 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: onion breath that I wouldn't normally have at ten minutes 242 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 4: to six on a Monday night. It's unusual. 243 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: I apologize, I'll see I'll dig out some mints for you. Attack. 244 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: That's our huddle's evening, Trecious and stud. 245 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Ash for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live 246 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 247 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.