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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither

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Speaker 1: due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: B afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're

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Speaker 2: going to have a chat to Broadcasting Minister Paul Goldsmith

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Speaker 2: on him running out of ideas for how to save

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Speaker 2: the media industry. We'll head over to Mudaway over the

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Speaker 2: news that Auckland Council is considering options to crack down

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Speaker 2: on cars on the beach. And US law professor Randy

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Speaker 2: Zellen on Joe Biden's reaction to Trump becoming a king

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Speaker 2: with that presidential immunity.

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Speaker 3: Ruling together duple c Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm torn on the government's announcement today that it's

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Speaker 2: going to force the likes of Google and Facebook to

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Speaker 2: pay news media in New Zealand for using content. Torn

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Speaker 2: because as someone who works in the media, I really

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Speaker 2: really want this to work, and I really really want

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Speaker 2: to believe that it will work. But as an intelligent

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Speaker 2: observer like to think so anyway, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: going to work. I mean, just have a look at

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Speaker 2: what happened overseas. Canada's done this. Google's being cooperative by

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Speaker 2: the looks of its Facebook not at all. Basically just

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Speaker 2: gave them the finger, and then Facebook banned all news

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Speaker 2: content and Canada from its site. Same thing seems to

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Speaker 2: be what they're going to do in Australia. Just last

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Speaker 2: week Facebook fronted up to Parliament over there and threatened

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Speaker 2: to ban news content there too. Now that is not

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Speaker 2: an ideal outcome. It's not even a neutral outcome. That

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Speaker 2: is going to do damage to the media. Right if

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Speaker 2: you pass this piece of legislation of Facebook goes and

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Speaker 2: which is a possibility, it will hurt media here because

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Speaker 2: it is a symbiotic relationship. Even though the media clearly

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Speaker 2: don't want to admit that Facebook takes their content uses

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Speaker 2: it to fill its feed on its app. But the

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Speaker 2: media need Facebook to do that because they want those

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Speaker 2: people who are just sitting there mindlessly scrolling on FACI

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Speaker 2: on and they need that as well. Over in Canada,

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Speaker 2: what's happened is that the ban is now hurting all

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Speaker 2: of the media, but particularly more publishers the most. I mean,

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Speaker 2: some of these guys reckon that since they're not on

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Speaker 2: Facebook anymore because the band, they've lost seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of their traffic. Some of them say they're not going

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Speaker 2: to last six months with this going on. This has

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Speaker 2: the potential to do more harm than good to the media.

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Speaker 2: Even if it works, which I really wanted to, it

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Speaker 2: is also not the solution to the problem that's causing

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Speaker 2: media companies to topple over at the moment. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about this maybe bringing in thirty million bucks

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Speaker 2: extra for the media to divvy up. Now you know

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Speaker 2: you're not going to turn that kind of money away,

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Speaker 2: but just give it, just to give you some context,

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Speaker 2: how small that is. That is how much money, almost

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Speaker 2: how much money TV and ZED lost in revenue in

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Speaker 2: other companies out there, just TV and ZED lost that

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Speaker 2: much money. This is half of what is expected to

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Speaker 2: fall out of the TV advertising revenue space this year alone.

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Speaker 2: So it's not going to fix the problem.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do not begrudge the government doing this today because

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Speaker 2: it is what the media companies have been asking for consistently,

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Speaker 2: and clearly no one has a better idea than this,

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Speaker 2: by now. But it's not the solution. It could actually

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Speaker 2: The text number standard text fees applying Paul Goldsmith with us.

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Speaker 2: As I say, after five o'clock now Wide we're talking

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Speaker 2: about this yesterday. The mayor of Widehwaer wants a public

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Speaker 2: apology from Hawks Bay Regional Council for its response to

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Speaker 2: the flooding last week. As I told you, when they

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Speaker 2: get bad weather in Widewer, they go on through the

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Speaker 2: much water gets out to sea as possible. But ahead

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Speaker 2: talking about the Hawks Bay Regional Council only got that

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Speaker 2: contractor there about twenty four hours in advance, which was

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Speaker 2: not nearly enough time. We asked Hawks Bay Regional Council

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Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about it, but Widawa Mayor Craig

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Speaker 2: Little is with us. Now, hey, Craig, here.

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Speaker 3: Are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? You get a call from Mark Mature yesterday

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Speaker 2: saying there's going to be an inquiry one.

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Speaker 5: Hundred per cent. So that's good. That's the first start.

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Speaker 5: I'm already going yet. But you know it just has

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Speaker 2: Went wrong, what went wrong?

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Speaker 5: Opened the bar in time, too little, too late, and

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Speaker 5: you know, don't talk down to us, actually listen to us.

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Speaker 2: They say, if they had gone in there like on

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Speaker 2: the on the Monday, let's say, before the bad weather,

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Speaker 2: it would have simply filled the bar up again by wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Is it true.

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Speaker 5: There's incredible that he can say that when you sit

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Speaker 5: anyway it rains. So no, that they're not correct.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they're up to actually, I mean

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Speaker 2: should they be doing this or should you guys be

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Speaker 5: Well, we've asked them what's gone wrong because we used

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Speaker 5: didn't really get it wrong very often, but now it's

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Speaker 5: just never. It's just, you know, nothing happens and we

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Speaker 2: What do you know that the scope of the inquiry?

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Speaker 2: Do you know how long it's going to take or

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Speaker 5: I think it's going to be. I don't think Mark

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Speaker 5: wants to muck around. He's heard from about and clear

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Speaker 5: what went wrong. We've got a lot of information there.

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Speaker 5: Now we're sort of we're saying to people, hey, you've

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Speaker 5: got any information, compear it to us, because people saying

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Speaker 5: And I say, give it to me. And so we've

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Speaker 2: Oh, so they haven't started yet. When are they starting?

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Speaker 5: I think they're starting as soon as possible. I don't

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Speaker 5: know as he announced that yet, he didn't tell me

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Speaker 5: it's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we have our ways of finding these things out.

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Speaker 2: We were speaking to Nichola Willis on the show last

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think he's in town tomorrow. I'm

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Speaker 2: Have we have we pre announced his announcement? Do you think?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know because everyone's been asking,

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Speaker 5: everyone's been telling me about it. Quite. I was saying, Hey,

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Speaker 5: that sounds good.

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Speaker 2: I'm stoked for you that you having an inquiry. What

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Speaker 5: Like, Ah, look, look, we get on, but we've always

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Speaker 5: felt that they treat us like we're a small population.

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Speaker 5: Yet we're thirty percent of the land air of Hawk's Bay,

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Speaker 5: we're sixty percent of the water mass, and we just

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Speaker 5: you know, never get what we want. And you know,

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Speaker 5: they do other things down there and they don't do

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Speaker 2: Craig, these are the same people who stuffed up the

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, but when Cyclone

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Speaker 2: Gabrielle came through, people were calling Hawks Bay Regional Council

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Speaker 2: saying do we need to evacuate? And they were saying, no, absolutely, fine,

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Speaker 2: you're overreacting, and then guess what happened in the valley.

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Speaker 2: So these people have form when it comes to not

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Speaker 2: making the right calls? Do you think that it should be?

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Speaker 2: What was that?

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Speaker 5: I just think they don't listen. They're above listening to

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Speaker 5: the operations. And is it working here in viral while?

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Speaker 5: I'm beginning to wonder because that, you know, people just

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Speaker 5: feel like they've been just spoken down to every time

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Speaker 2: Craig, should these people actually be in charge of this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, should an outcome of this, of this inquiry

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Speaker 2: Someone else us to do it?

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Speaker 5: Well, you think that we believe we could do it

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Speaker 5: We have to go cap in hand down to hooks Bay.

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Speaker 5: You know it's just not working. Yeah, working, it can work,

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Speaker 5: but not working like it should work.

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Speaker 2: What do you want? Do you want an apology?

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Speaker 5: Gosh, yes, with us for apology because that gives people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Heye listen, Craig, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: the best of luck, and I hope the inquiry finds

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Speaker 2: exactly what I think we're going to find. That is

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Speaker 2: for the announcement tomorrow, which you appear to know everything

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Speaker 2: about already.

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Speaker 3: A and Z.

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Speaker 2: Now A and Z is really behaving itself quite badly

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Speaker 2: But they have also now just been called out by

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Speaker 2: and then when the next of kin or the estates

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Speaker 2: respond as quickly as they're supposed supposed to get back

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Speaker 2: to them in something like two weeks, just take longer

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Speaker 2: than that. They've been doing it apparently between July twenty

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Speaker 2: didn't fix it. In fact, they still haven't fixed it,

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Speaker 2: and it's what like two years more than two years on.

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Speaker 2: It's only going to be completely fixed by the end

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Speaker 2: of this month. By the time they pay everyone back,

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Speaker 2: or like all the dead people back, they will have

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Speaker 2: paid the dead people nineteen thousand of them, about three

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Speaker 2: point three million dollars. Even the fact, by the way,

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Speaker 2: this is serious, and you know that because just naming

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Speaker 2: the bank is a serious thing, which is a sanction

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Speaker 2: that the banking Watchdog only reserves for the most serious

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Speaker 2: and systemic breaches. Sixteen past four figure.

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Speaker 8: Dars, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: How good is the latest recruion to our tennis team?

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Speaker 8: Not so bad?

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Speaker 9: And a really interesting backstory? Had you ever heard of Lulu?

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Speaker 8: Soon before?

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Speaker 9: So she played her first Grand Slam started the year

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Speaker 9: and Australia got knocked out in the first round the Swiss.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think did she transfer her?

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Speaker 2: She was born in New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: She went to Lasland and Switzerland. She's got a Croatian

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Speaker 9: her time now in Slvenia with her coaches or Florida

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Speaker 9: because she was scored in the United States.

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Speaker 2: She loves us, so she's decided to start playing out around.

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Speaker 9: When she came over to the ASP, she thought this

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Speaker 9: straight after that, so I might have taken a while

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Speaker 9: in Switzerlan since she's five years old. She's fluent in

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Speaker 9: English and French and Chinese. Obviously a brilliant tennis player,

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Speaker 9: studies international affairs and politics. So the kind of women

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Speaker 9: that you really love to hate because she's got everything.

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Speaker 2: Man, I'll tell you what she is going to be.

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Speaker 2: She's going to need a good man.

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Speaker 9: Well, no, she can need a good partner, or maybe

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Speaker 9: she can just do it all along. Does it really

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Speaker 9: really matter? So that victory over jen kin Weer was

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Speaker 9: for six six two sixty four.

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Speaker 2: She beat the eighth seed and she seated somewhere in

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Speaker 8: And twenty three, beat the eighth seed.

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Speaker 9: First time she's beaten a top ten player, first time

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Speaker 9: she's beaten anyone in the top one hundred.

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Speaker 8: Just happened to be a top ten player.

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Speaker 9: This is the finalist in the Aussie Open at the

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Speaker 9: she's taking on this woman called Julia Stutledub saver.

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Speaker 2: Did Lulu get lucky or is she actually? Is she

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Speaker 2: actually this good?

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Speaker 10: You?

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Speaker 9: I didn't watch the game. I've seen a couple of

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Speaker 9: the points, that's all. But when you look at the

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Speaker 9: score for six six two sixty four, that suggests she's good.

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Speaker 9: Because you go down to a top seed like that

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Speaker 8: How good that would suggest.

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Speaker 9: I'm told that she's very good at turning her defensive

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Speaker 2: I Lulu, welcome to Welcome to Okay. So we've got

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Speaker 2: the Warriors team out tonight, and thank god, we're not

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Speaker 2: going to have to agonize about whether they're going to

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Speaker 2: make the right call in number seven.

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Speaker 9: Well, because Shawn Johnson's broken out so they can't pick him.

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Speaker 9: But he's still is at the Warriors press conference today,

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Speaker 9: the media session, and he's there. He's engaged in training. Look,

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Speaker 9: he can't train, but he's not hiding in the gym

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Speaker 9: doing all of his rehab. He's out there, according to

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Speaker 9: Andrew Webster, with everybody talking and chatting and geeing them up,

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Speaker 9: providing all the energy that he has as a thirty

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Speaker 9: got to Madi Martin, who was outstanding. I keep thinking

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Speaker 9: to Mightdy. Martin's a younger player, is younger than Johnson,

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Speaker 9: but he's twenty seven, twenty eight, so he've been around

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Speaker 9: a few other players floating around. To remember, Metcalf has

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Speaker 9: yet to come back, so that'd be interesting how they

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Speaker 9: combo the six and seven again they have two sevens playing.

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Speaker 9: But I think that predictions or reports of his demise

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Speaker 8: Just completely and utterly wrong.

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Speaker 9: I say that because he's still so much upstairs that

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Speaker 9: he can offer to this team, and he can help

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Speaker 9: feed that next generation through. And he's not still playing

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Speaker 9: because he wants to draw a paycheck. He's still playing

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Speaker 9: because he thinks he can offer something. So he was

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Speaker 9: playing under an injury cloud and that probably wasn't the

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Speaker 9: now Sean's like right competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, I'm like a bit of competition.

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Speaker 11: Eight.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, Dars, thank you. Always appreciate it. Darcy

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Speaker 2: wil to grow sports Grave.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why I'm terrified of the interns.

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Speaker 2: I'm just warming up for the day. That's what's going

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Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to anybody for like two hours.

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Speaker 8: Not terrified of the interns too, they're on our jobs.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I'll be terrified of the interns in a

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Speaker 2: few years. For now, I'm just going to relax a

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Speaker 2: namely you. I'm going to stuff your name up so

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Speaker 8: Darcy Crispin Walldergrave.

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Speaker 2: Sports Talk cost back at seven for twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk.

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Speaker 2: As they'd be hither, there's an old saying too many

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Speaker 2: shiny ass bastards. I think that's referring to people who

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Speaker 2: going on. And now look at the state of white Or.

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Speaker 2: I hope white Or gets its come up AND's on this. Well,

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Speaker 2: Regional council, get its come up and listen quickly. Just

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Speaker 2: antiquated stuff. Even Christians would have to admit that. Now

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Speaker 2: Also in z on Air, the minister's written to them

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Speaker 2: and instructed them that they need to consider funding two programs.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't. As far as I listened to most

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna ask him what they are because he

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Speaker 2: He could be.

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Speaker 12: He can't rule it out.

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Speaker 2: Because he's a bit funny, eh, Like he's I think

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Speaker 2: he's got like secret things going on in his life

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Speaker 12: And like, if your day is just meetings, meetings, you know, conferences,

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Speaker 2: You think that one of them would be Paddy Gower's show? Why,

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I was like, are you doing

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Speaker 2: Murray Olds is going to be with us in ten

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Speaker 2: Headline's next.

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Speaker 1: Hard Questions, Strong opinion, head duper see allan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand Let's get connected, the news talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: I'm from a double shade of whiskey. They nummy jay history.

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Speaker 3: There's a party downtown near fish Story. Everybody had biket.

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council is having a look at cracking down on

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Speaker 2: the cars on Mudewai. Some really interesting numbers they've put

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Speaker 2: you think about this, okay, as you know, a couple

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Speaker 2: not sure that that's what his work allows him to do.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Because he's a prime minister.

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Speaker 2: I good luck to him. The other day when the

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Speaker 2: hanging out with you Chinese Premier. I've got more. I've

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Speaker 2: As I say, I totally respect that. As a parent,

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Speaker 2: he being realistic? I don't know that he is. You

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be drive the US Supreme Court has ruled that

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Speaker 2: the president is immune from prosecution for any official acts

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Speaker 2: while taking an office. Lower Court is now going to

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Speaker 2: legal cases against former President Donald Trump and current US

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Speaker 11: Today's decision almost certainly means if there are virtually no

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Speaker 2: Sir Kia Starmer speaking of, and Rishi Sunak are rushing

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Speaker 2: support as much as he possibly can. Rishi says he's

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Speaker 2: not taking anyone's vote for granted.

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Speaker 14: I don't take a single place or person for granted.

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Speaker 14: But I do want Britain to sleep walk into the

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Speaker 14: danger of what an unchecked labor government where the supermajority

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Speaker 14: would mean.

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Speaker 2: And finally, the British Army has lost control of some

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Speaker 2: of its horses in London again. This time, three horses

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Speaker 2: taking part in a routine exercise was spooked by a

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Speaker 2: bus and then they took off through the streets of

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Speaker 2: the British capital. One was retrieved straight away, the other

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Speaker 2: two led their handlers on a two and a half

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Speaker 2: k chase before they were recaptured.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Murrayol's Aussie correspondents with US.

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Speaker 15: He mus hiy, they're going to afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: Has Elbow done the right thing? Deciding not to go

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Speaker 2: to that NATO meeting in the US?

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Speaker 15: Well, big call. He's been to the last two. This

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Speaker 15: is a NATO meeting in Washington. Of course he went

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Speaker 15: the last couple of times, and he was accused of

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Speaker 15: being air bas Elbow by the opposition. You know, the

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Speaker 15: more impressing that, you know, the more important problems at

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Speaker 15: I'm Elbow stay home. Well, now he's doing that, and

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Speaker 15: of course the opposites are your dereliction of duty. You

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Speaker 15: should be representing Australia. The fact of the matter is

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Speaker 15: that he couldn't get a one on one with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 15: and you know he's desperate keen to prosecute the benefits

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Speaker 15: for Australians of the TADE at the Stage three tax

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Speaker 15: cuts that the government managed to ram through, you know,

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Speaker 15: significant benefits according to the government for every single lossie

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Speaker 15: cheaper power bills, and the list goes on and on

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Speaker 15: and on. So he's going to send the Deputy Prime

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Speaker 15: Minister instead looked a bit like you and and Keir Starmer,

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Speaker 15: you know you're down with you do You're damned if

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Speaker 15: you don't. He doesn't want to leave himself wide up

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Speaker 15: into another opposition attack about you know, being away from

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Speaker 15: home and when the fires are burning. And equally now

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Speaker 15: he's decided to stay home. He's getting Belton anyway, so

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Speaker 15: you can't win.

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Speaker 2: Hey, So it's all over for the live exports.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and we've been here before or it's not a

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Speaker 15: new movie.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 15: I went back looking because I knew you wanted to

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Speaker 15: talk about this live sheep trade's been around for well

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Speaker 15: over well and some I read somewhere that it's been

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Speaker 15: around since around the Second World War, but it really

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Speaker 15: geared up about twenty five years ago. Now it's worth

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Speaker 15: around one hundred and forty million dollars a year. The

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Speaker 15: only state that exports live animal, sheep and cattle anymore.

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Speaker 15: Over here is Western Australia and so the decision it

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Speaker 15: was flagged. I mean, this was an election promise that

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Speaker 15: Labour took to the last election and that's now been enacted.

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Speaker 15: It past the Upper House last night, so it's now law. Well,

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Speaker 15: of course the sky is going to fall and if

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Speaker 15: you listen to the Farmers Federation over here. But the

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Speaker 15: fact of the matter is it is a it from

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Speaker 15: welfare and animal welfare point of view, it's a disaster

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Speaker 15: if you have very hot temperatures. These animals are dying

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Speaker 15: in vast numbers. Thousands and thousands of animals are being

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Speaker 15: being killed at sea because you know China or Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 15: Someone says, oh we've picked up scabby mouth or you know,

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Speaker 15: these sheep aren't top quality. But the port buggers are

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Speaker 15: out there and they're literally dropping dead on the high seas.

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Speaker 15: And we've had cameras in store, we've had vets, you know,

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Speaker 15: compulsory veterinary inspections on board. The fact of the matter

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Speaker 15: is it's not good for the animal's welfare, particularly over summer.

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Speaker 15: We even had the ridiculous situation where live live exports

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Speaker 15: were banned during the summer months by the Morrison government. Anyway,

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Speaker 15: the whole thing's going to get knocked on the head

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Speaker 15: as of twenty twenty eight and Labor says, well, we

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Speaker 15: told you so and now we're monitoring a promise.

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Speaker 2: So mass listen. So the security staff in the hospitals

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Speaker 2: are going to try all these body cameras, are they

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Speaker 2: to see if that actually stops the assaults and stuff.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, this is in New South Wales. In the

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Speaker 15: twelve months to March this year, there were nearly one

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Speaker 15: thousand violent attacks on hospital staff. You're thinking emergency departments,

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Speaker 15: you're thinking security staff who they're in increasing numbers, and

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Speaker 15: that was an increase of twenty seven percent. There are

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Speaker 15: nine or ten hospitals that have been identified in New

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Speaker 15: South Wales as being the worst for this type of crime.

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Speaker 15: And the security guards are going to start wearing body cameras.

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Speaker 15: Around three hundred of these cameras only recording, according to

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Speaker 15: the government, if there's a risk to start for patients, well,

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Speaker 15: the Australian Milical Associations is better than body cams, how

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Speaker 15: but we get decent community mental health treatment facilities out

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Speaker 15: there in the community, because this is what's happening. A

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Speaker 15: lot of people are presenting with mental health conditions. They

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Speaker 15: walk into an emergency department, the moment sleeping under a bridge.

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Speaker 8: The poor buggers they're walking. There's I mean, you know

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Speaker 8: what it's like. It's crazy. It's just like on television.

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Speaker 15: There's lights as people yelling and people screaming and crying.

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Speaker 15: No wonder they are up a bit. Others are coming

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Speaker 15: in drugged off their faces or drunk. Anyway, the AMA says,

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Speaker 15: that's a much better way. The health services you represents.

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Speaker 15: The security guards is saying this morning, I interviewed the

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Speaker 15: guy this morning at the ABC. He said, guess what

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Speaker 15: if this keeps going at the rate it is twenty

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Speaker 15: seven percent increase in the last twelve months, we're going

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Speaker 15: to have to have police armed police she stationed permanently

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Speaker 15: in emergency departments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really bad. Hey, Mars, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that. Murray Olds Australia correspondent here. The Keirstarmer's wife

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Speaker 2: is Jewish. Therefore their children are also Jewish. So Friday

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Speaker 2: night dinner and Shabbt is a huge thing for them.

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Speaker 2: If Tory, I e. Tory, if Tory can clock off

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Speaker 2: at lunchtime each day every day and still run the

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Speaker 2: capital city, then surely a sitting prime minister in the

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Speaker 2: UK can take an evening off once a week. Good

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Speaker 2: luck to him trying. I don't reckon he will be

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Speaker 2: able to maintain. It is hard. It's a lot of

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Speaker 2: work that they have to do. Just look at how

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Speaker 2: it went for Jacinda while she was trying to be

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Speaker 2: like baby Mummy at the same time. Not good. Sixteen

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Speaker 2: away from five politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 2: and get payments, certainty, very so for senior political correspondence

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Speaker 2: with us, heybar, good afternoon, Heather. What's the most likely

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Speaker 2: reaction from Facebook's parent company Meta to this fair digital

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Speaker 2: news bargaining, Bill Well.

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Speaker 16: I would imagine it would be the same as Meta

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Speaker 16: has reacted in a number of other countries, in particularly Canada.

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Speaker 16: They throw their toys out of the cot, they don't

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Speaker 16: play ball, and you know, you know, further ahead, this

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Speaker 16: is the plan that Melissa Lee apparently had been working

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Speaker 16: on and it doesn't come as anything.

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Speaker 2: This is Willie Jackson's plan.

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, this is the one that Melissa Lee

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Speaker 16: got tongue tied about. I think looking at what was

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Speaker 16: what was the way through for media companies and what

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Speaker 16: is a very difficult situation. But the most that this

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Speaker 16: will drag in would be about thirty million dollars, which

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Speaker 16: is pittance when you consider what the revenues are of

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Speaker 16: media companies, even though they are going through very tough times.

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Speaker 16: The Minister will decide in the amended version which digital

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Speaker 16: platforms are captured by the bill, and Paul Goldsmith and

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Speaker 16: I know you're going to be talking to him, he

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Speaker 16: says that'll allow them to manage unintended consequences what they are,

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Speaker 16: I'm not quite sure, but he says they'll also ensure

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Speaker 16: an appropriate independent regulator is appointed to act as the

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Speaker 16: bill's authority. Now and you mentioned it, the government will

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Speaker 16: remove Saturday or Sunday morning advertising and public holidays from television,

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Speaker 16: which is a good I think a good move. It

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Speaker 16: will make only around six million dollars a year, so

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Speaker 16: again not a lot of money. But Goldsmith says the

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Speaker 16: initiative will need labor support for it to be successful

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Speaker 16: and acknowledges it's not going to be the silver bullet

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Speaker 16: that many would like.

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Speaker 4: Government's not able to solve all the problems of the

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Speaker 4: many businesses operating. Some businesses in the media landscape and

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Speaker 4: New Zealand are doing very well and some have been struggling.

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Speaker 4: It's been compounded by the fact we're in a tough

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Speaker 4: economic spot and so advertising revenue has been low in

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Speaker 4: that case as well. But all we can do is

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Speaker 4: make some changes that I think will help. How do

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Speaker 4: we encourage conversations to be had between very large multinational

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Speaker 4: streaming companies and local media producers and so, you know,

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Speaker 4: we think m balance this is a good way to go.

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Speaker 16: Well, we'll see about that, but you know, conversations have

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Speaker 16: already been held. For example, enzed Me, the organization that

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Speaker 16: owns news talk ZB in the Herald, They've already.

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Speaker 2: Talked to Google and they already have a deal.

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Speaker 16: They have a deal, they've been paid. I believe that

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Speaker 16: stuff might be in negotiations at the moment, but would

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Speaker 16: seem that Google is a much easier organization to deal

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Speaker 16: with than Meta. If you listen to act they say, well,

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Speaker 16: I beg to differ. They've invoked that. They say the

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Speaker 16: bills are stopped a stop. It's one of those things

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Speaker 16: you do when you don't know what else to do.

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Speaker 16: David Seymour said, and he said to him, it always

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Speaker 16: appeared like an attempt to force one group of businesses

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Speaker 16: to subsidize another. And if you listen to the tax bars,

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Speaker 16: you know, I think they make a fair point. If

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Speaker 16: the mainstream media can't stand on its own two feet,

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Speaker 16: it's because they're out.

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Speaker 8: Of touch with New Zealanders.

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Speaker 16: Study after study shows that people don't trust us anymore.

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Speaker 16: And the answer is to do The answer isn't to

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Speaker 16: start bailing out, which is what the suggestion is behind

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Speaker 16: this bill. And I think that's a fair claim that

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Speaker 16: you've got to change with the times. And I guess

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Speaker 16: it's unfortunate that this comes in the very week that

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Speaker 16: news Hub is closing up.

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Speaker 8: It's operation.

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Speaker 16: It's probably do well, Yeah maybe, but you know, it's

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Speaker 16: the timing is a bit unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: And I suppose how hilarious is it that Chappie to Cunney,

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Speaker 2: who runs kayinga order, goes out and tells the staff

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Speaker 2: off for leaking in a video which then gets leaked.

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Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, that's right, and then tells them they're going

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Speaker 16: to be fired. It's incredible asking staff to apply for redundancy,

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Speaker 16: and certainly there's a lot of tension there. They're looking

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Speaker 16: at more than four hundred jobs. There's a new redundancy

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Speaker 16: process that was announced last week. Now Tacarne Chappy Note

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Speaker 16: has of course invited applications for redundancy. Minutes after urging

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Speaker 16: disgruntled staff to look for a job elsewhere if they

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Speaker 16: don't like the way the organization's being run, he said.

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Speaker 16: They may have their opinions, but if it's not the

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Speaker 16: right agency for you, he said, then essentially get lost.

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Speaker 16: Now you haven't heard this fellow on air on this program,

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Speaker 16: I think for several years now. I remember the last

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Speaker 16: interviews you had with him. But the staff certainly heard

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Speaker 16: Champy condemn those who have been leaking from the organization,

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Speaker 16: can including those who leaked the video of him.

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Speaker 17: The leaking of information and debation the change proposal publicly

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Speaker 17: did not advantage anyone or that did do is put

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Speaker 17: Kaimah and the wider organization under pressure, and it disrespected

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Speaker 17: every other member of staff who showed up to give

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Speaker 17: their best, even when facing an uncertain future themselves. The

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Speaker 17: leaking of information exposed to poor culture, which is not

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Speaker 17: reflective of who we are as an organization, but most

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Speaker 17: significantly made it harder for farwn communities to believe will

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Speaker 17: do the right thing when working with their tom of

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Speaker 17: the key.

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Speaker 16: Now there's an old cliche government here, there no clue.

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Speaker 16: Let's review now as we know that's been done many

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Speaker 16: times with the rung of dommrikiyeh and it's still the same.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Barries over Senior political

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Speaker 2: Correspondence seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Hosking.

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Speaker 18: Breakfast Prime Minister with us, do you feel you're getting

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Speaker 18: some momentum I'm citing polling. Do you feel that you

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Speaker 18: might have now a chunk of New Zealand on site?

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Speaker 10: Well, I think you then and understand what we've inherited right,

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Speaker 10: and we're doing a turnaround job. And I've done a

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Speaker 10: lot of these in a different corporate world and it's

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Speaker 10: different from the country, and we get all that, but

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Speaker 10: the process is similar, which is you have to face

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Speaker 10: the ugly stuff and you have to face up to

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Speaker 10: your reality, and then you've got to have plan, not

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Speaker 10: in a combin our sense, but actually a proper plan

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Speaker 10: that can get the country and yourself to a much

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Speaker 10: better place, and so that's what we're just focused on.

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Speaker 10: Everything's about delivery, and it's focusing tremendously a public service

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Speaker 10: that hasn't had direction.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: We're away from five okay. As I was telling you

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Speaker 2: some interesting numbers put out by Auckland Council about what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the cars on Mudaway Beach while they

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Speaker 2: consider what to do about this. The number of cars

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Speaker 2: driving on Muduay Beach in a year is staggering when

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Speaker 2: you compare it to the number of driving permits that

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Speaker 2: have been issued. Solast year wasn't that bad, but it

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Speaker 2: was particularly bad in twenty twenty two. They issued four

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Speaker 2: and a half thousand driving permits. The number of cars

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Speaker 2: that actually drove on the beach sixty six thousand, five hundred.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is multiples and multiples and multiples of

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Speaker 2: how many cars they're how many permits they've issued. It's

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Speaker 2: the same every single year. For some reason. Last year

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Speaker 2: it was considerably downs, only fifteen thousand cars, three and

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Speaker 2: a half thousand permits that were issued. But this is

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Speaker 2: the thing that I think is the most interesting the

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Speaker 2: total number of public complaints, right, you got like in

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Speaker 2: any given year you got sixty six thousand cars, sixty

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Speaker 2: four thousand cars, eighteen thousand cars, fifteen thousand cars. Number

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Speaker 2: of complaints last year, one year before, zero, year before three,

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Speaker 2: year before three. Now, if you're getting one complaint out

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Speaker 2: of sixteen thousand cars being on the beach, is this

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Speaker 2: actually that big a deal? Is this as bad as

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Speaker 2: people are saying, We're gonna have a chat to the

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Speaker 2: people from Murdaway Claire Bradley's going to be with us shortly. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Hawks Bay Regional Councils just put out of statement. So

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Speaker 2: we said to them come on the show at four.

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Speaker 2: They were like, Nana, I can't. But then they put

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Speaker 2: out a statement at four they are going to do

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Speaker 2: reviews themselves. They're going to release the start of the

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Speaker 2: reviews this week, which feels very much like they're trying

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Speaker 2: to get ahead of whatever Mark Mitchell is going to

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Speaker 2: do in the review space. Paul Goldsmith with us next.

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Speaker 1: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Do to clam Drive with one new Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The government has today announced how it's going to

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Speaker 2: help save the struggling media industry. It's going to go

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Speaker 2: back to the old plan, force the likes of Google

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Speaker 2: and Meta to pay news media for content that they

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Speaker 2: use through the Fair Digital Bargaining Bill. Now there's a

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Speaker 2: lifeline for Shortland Street. It will get a screen production

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Speaker 2: rebate for local news local shows rather and advertising restrictions

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Speaker 2: on the TV advertisers and TV on Sundays and public

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Speaker 2: holidays will also be removed. The Broadcasting Minister, Paul Goldsmith

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Speaker 2: is with me now.

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Speaker 4: Paul, good morning, good afternoon. How are you going.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you now Paul, Once you do this,

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Speaker 2: is Facebook going to ban news content here in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand like they have in Canada.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a risk of that. There's always a risk

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Speaker 4: of that. Ultimately, companies have to make decisions for themselves

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Speaker 4: and the purpose of this legislation really is to act

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Speaker 4: as a backstop so to encourage those extremes. Have you

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Speaker 4: spoken to them negotiations.

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Speaker 2: You've spoken to them. Did they say they're going to

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 4: No, they didn't explicitly say that no, no threat at all. No,

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Speaker 4: they were indity threats. But they've made it clear that

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Speaker 4: not veryen on this legislation, as has Google Google, and

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Speaker 4: so you know, it's a it is quite a tricky area,

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Speaker 4: but we think combalances with having this as a backstop

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Speaker 4: just to encourage those conversations to happen as part of

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Speaker 4: a swimmer measures that we're trying to do too.

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Speaker 2: Internationally, Facebook has been very difficult, but Google has been

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Speaker 2: a lot easier to deal with than seems to have

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Speaker 2: struck deals and places like Australia and Canada and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you ex Google to play ball here?

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Speaker 4: I hope so yes.

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Speaker 2: If Facebook does pull the pin and ban the news

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Speaker 2: content is the most likely outcome, then that we have

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Speaker 2: the same outcome as they have in Canada, which is

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Speaker 2: where the small publishers start to fail because they haven't

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Speaker 2: got those Facebook clicks coming through, and then maybe you

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Speaker 2: have to end up bailing them out.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's always the risk, and of course the risk

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Speaker 4: is if we do nothing. Of course, then you know

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Speaker 4: the deals that we have so far might not materialize

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Speaker 4: with Google and otherwise, so whatever you do, there are risks. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: this is you said in your introduction that we're going

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Speaker 4: to save the media. We're not claiming to do that. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: there's a fast changing environment. The way that people get

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Speaker 4: their news and information is changing dramatically, and obviously it's

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Speaker 4: up to businesses to figure out how to meet the

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Speaker 4: new demands of their customers. You know, you superceed. He's

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Speaker 4: doing a pretty good job with that and other areas

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Speaker 4: that everybody's trying to figure out how to survive in

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Speaker 4: a difficult environment, and that's ultimately what matters. But what

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Speaker 4: we're doing today at the government level will help a bit,

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Speaker 4: and so that's so it's worth making that effort.

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Speaker 2: Paul, Are you prepared if this does lead to some

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Speaker 2: smaller publishers struggling and being unable to make their business

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Speaker 2: work because of the law, are you prepared to bail

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Speaker 2: them out?

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Speaker 4: Bailing out is not something that the government's looking to

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Speaker 4: do too often. Obviously, we're struggling overall, we've got type

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Speaker 4: fiscal environment. We're not in the business of bailing out

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Speaker 4: media if we can possibly avoid it, and possibility isn't it. Oh, No,

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Speaker 4: I would not. No, I'm not making any promises to

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Speaker 4: anybody in that regard. Ultimately, you know, the media has

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Speaker 4: to figure out how to survive in a difficult world.

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Speaker 4: But there are a few things that can actually make

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Speaker 4: a difference. It's sort of Ourcain rules around advertising that

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Speaker 4: we're not going.

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Speaker 2: To come to that. I'm going to come to that pool.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we end up in a situation where

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Speaker 2: as taxpayers we're having to pay some newspaper down the

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Speaker 2: line to survive because we stuff their business, that's not

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Speaker 2: going to be an ideal outcome.

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Speaker 4: Is it. No, it wouldn't be, and we won't be

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Speaker 4: looking to do that at all. We're not paying media directly,

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Speaker 4: and I think we learned of the government. I think

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Speaker 4: I hope the country learned. It's less than that. If

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Speaker 4: you're having big trade emmins from government agencies to the media,

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Speaker 4: that creates all sorts of problems, particularly around trusts and perspective.

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Speaker 4: So we're not doing that. There are a couple of

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Speaker 4: areas around open buses and things which I think has

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Speaker 4: worked quite well, and that's a New Zealand on air

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Speaker 4: sort of program, and we're ensuring that that carries on.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, we're working at a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of levels. I'm not suggesting that any of this is

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Speaker 4: easy and none of it on its own is going

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Speaker 4: to be transformational. But if if we might do a

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Speaker 4: few things that will make it somewhat easier for the

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Speaker 4: various media outlets to keep going and to be sustainable,

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Speaker 4: and then I think that's worth the effort.

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Speaker 2: You've written to New Zealand any You've asked them to

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Speaker 2: consider funding a couple of programs. What are those programs.

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Speaker 4: It's open Justice, which is kind of reporting on court basis,

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Speaker 4: which is fantastic, and democracy reporting, which is around local government.

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Speaker 4: Both of those areas I weren't getting the coverage that

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Speaker 4: they needed and required and a good functioning democracy, and

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Speaker 4: I think both of those projects have been quite useful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very pleased to hear that. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: the changes that you're making for Shorty Street are actually

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Speaker 2: going to say that because you are allowing them to

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Speaker 2: claim potentially up to ten million dollars but the show

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Speaker 2: actually cost twenty million to make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, ultimately that's a decision for TV and ZED.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, what we're doing is

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Speaker 4: enabling them to changing the kind of threshold for support

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Speaker 4: through those rebates. It was a sort of a per

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Speaker 4: hourly rate, and now we're saying if you're doing a

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Speaker 4: series that costs more than ten million a year, than

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Speaker 4: you're eligible. And ultimately it's for the Film Commission to

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Speaker 4: make that decision whether to fund Shortened Street and then

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Speaker 4: ultimately for TV and Z to make it work. But

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Speaker 4: certainly what we're doing will make that calculation easier and

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Speaker 4: hopefully that might be able to be sustained. And the

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Speaker 4: reason why people say why do we need to be

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Speaker 4: involved in all this and kind of point of make

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Speaker 4: there is that it is actually an important institution I

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Speaker 4: think for us in terms of training generations of actors

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Speaker 4: and producers and all that, and so you know, if

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Speaker 4: we can do something to help beast the chances of

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Speaker 4: it carrying on longer, just as they have done in

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Speaker 4: Australian with Home, in a way, I think it's worth

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Speaker 4: the effort.

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Speaker 2: Paul, thank you very much, really appreciate it, Paul Goldsmith.

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Speaker 2: Broadcasting Minister Heather Do for Sea LA government is scrapping

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Speaker 2: free unlimited driver licensed tests. They were brought in by

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Speaker 2: Labor last year, but what they basically did was led

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Speaker 2: to a massive wait list for driving tests for people

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Speaker 2: who just kept on sitting and sitting and sitting and

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Speaker 2: sitting the thing again. From July eighth, applicants will be

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Speaker 2: eligible for only one free recent and then any after

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Speaker 2: that they have to pay for. Simon Douglas is the

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Speaker 2: AA's chief policy officer. Hey Simon, Hi, he how are you?

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Speaker 4: And well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? How long is the wait list at the

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Speaker 2: moment compared to what it used to be?

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Speaker 19: Do you know thereis region by region, but at times

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Speaker 19: in big service it's been up to or over three

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Speaker 19: months to sit your driver's license and it's just not

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Speaker 19: an acceptable length of time and get to the way

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Speaker 19: people who need their driver's license are getting them.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that once this kicks in, which is

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Speaker 2: what like less than a week away, it's going to

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Speaker 2: have an immediate impact.

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Speaker 19: I don't think I'll have an immediate impact. The government

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Speaker 19: has allowed for a transition zone of three months so

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Speaker 19: that people have already paid their fee can get their research.

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Speaker 19: I think it'll be really important over the period and

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Speaker 19: when it's three months transition in so fers are really

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Speaker 19: carefully and just see that these changes have had the

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Speaker 19: impact we want, which is making people much more able

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Speaker 19: to get their fither's licensed test When they want to

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Speaker 19: get it.

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Speaker 2: Presumably this was brought in to be able to help

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Speaker 2: people who couldn't pay for a reset, who hard up

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Speaker 2: and needed a license. Has this had any impact on

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Speaker 2: trying to help those guys out.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think we've seen large numbers of applicants going

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Speaker 19: through the system, and the resear suggest that on the

873
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 19: one hand, people were wanting more accessibility, but it's gone

874
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 19: too far. And I think where we've landed today with

875
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 19: the couple that they're own for one free research that

876
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 19: gives you a bit of a nod to those people

877
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 19: who found the fees a bit of a barrier. I

878
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 19: think it's about the.

879
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Right Simon, thanks very much, appreciate it. Simon Douglas, Chief

880
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: Policy Officer. Hither they were talking about cars and bikes

881
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: on the beach when I was fifteen years old, and

882
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: now I'm sixty three. It's the same conversation. It's I

883
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: actually kind of sad Rosco. Thank you for that. We're

884
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: going to talk about it just so you get your

885
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: yearly update. We've talked about it next quarter past range

886
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: anxiety seems to be a topic that keeps coming up

887
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: with hybrid vehicles, So how does a super hybrid compare well.

888
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Take the BYDC Lion six for example. Now that is

889
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: a super hybrid, and let me tell you it's the

890
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: answer to your range anxiety. The BYDC Lion sex gets

891
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: a whopping range of up to eleven hundred k's on

892
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: a full charge in a full tank, so you don't

893
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: have to worry about queuing for charges on your out

894
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: of town trips or anything like that. And you can

895
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: also fully charge it at home in just under three hours.

896
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: And then with an electric range, and that's only electric

897
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: and electric range of one hundred k's it's absolutely enough

898
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: for a lot of people to just get there and

899
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: back around town whatever without using a drop of petrol.

900
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Speaker 2: So when you buy a Sea Lion six and then

901
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: the dealer Hansei the keys, do not be surprised when

902
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: you hear them say something you've never heard a car

903
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: dealer say before, and that is we're filled up the

904
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: tank for you. But make sure you use the petrol

905
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: before it goes off, because they will not be kidding.

906
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: You'll be using the electric a lot. Check it out

907
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: at BYD Auto dot co dot.

908
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: MZ Heather do for see Allen Heather.

909
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm so happy the government is scrapping the driver's license

910
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: free resets. I've been waiting eleven weeks that's from Ben

911
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: Hither three months whatever. My wife had to wait seven months.

912
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: We were on the website daily looking for a slot

913
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: across all of Auckland. End up having to book and

914
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: Thames Aaron, thank you. Now it's going to solve the problem.

915
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: Start next week. Heaps people will drop out because I

916
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: won't want to have to pay. It's nineteen past five now,

917
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: speaking of driving. Driving on beaches is back in the

918
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: spotlight after an Auckland Council review found efforts to improve

919
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: driving safety on beaches are failing. Get a load of this.

920
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: Last year to drive on Murdauai, three thousand, six hundred

921
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: cars had a permit. Fifteen thousand, six hundred hit the beach.

922
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Speaker 2: Claire bat Bradley is the Murdauay Community Association chair with

923
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Speaker 2: US now, hey, Claire, Hi, Obviously a permit means absolutely nothing,

924
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: does it well?

925
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Speaker 7: And look, it was never intended to be a solution.

926
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Speaker 7: And what this report from Council is addressing is a

927
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Speaker 7: better legislative framework. It doesn't address the larger question of

928
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 7: whether it's even appropriate for vehicles to be driving on

929
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Speaker 7: the beach solely for recreational purposes.

930
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 20: The only reason given in the report is.

931
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Speaker 7: In historic use. But when you think about historic use,

932
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Speaker 7: it's slower moving, lighter vehicles and fewer of them, not

933
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 7: somewhere between one to twminion people visiting the beach and

934
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Speaker 7: sharing the space with large, heavy, four wheel drive vehicles

935
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Speaker 7: driven at speed because their vehicle access is just somewhere

936
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Speaker 7: around two kilometers from the main beach on Miru Way,

937
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Speaker 7: So it is very much a shared pedestrian faith. Right

938
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Speaker 7: to pedestrians is huge.

939
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Speaker 2: But if you look at the data, I mean, it

940
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Speaker 2: looks like in the Regional Parks Incident which it's total

941
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Speaker 2: Regional Parks incident data, so presumably that's more than just

942
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Speaker 2: Mudaway Beach only forty eight incidents last year. If I

943
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Speaker 2: was to say that all forty eight happened on Muduay

944
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Speaker 2: Beach out of sixteen nearly sixteen thousand vehicles, that's an

945
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Speaker 2: incident rate of zero point three percent.

946
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Speaker 7: That's not a lot, no exactly, But when you look

947
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Speaker 7: at it, there's sixty five percent of the incidents took

948
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Speaker 7: place on Muruway Beach out of three hundred and fifty

949
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Speaker 7: seven that's not just last year, that's over a longer

950
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Speaker 7: period and so muruway is you know, unfortunately at the

951
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Speaker 7: point the end of this. But it's I mean, you know,

952
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Speaker 7: if you look at it on balance, you have to

953
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Speaker 7: balance the recreational use just to go and drive up

954
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Speaker 7: the beach and get maybe further away and do your

955
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Speaker 7: fishing in greater seclusion and solitude against the safety and

956
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 7: the security of the ecology and the wild life. No

957
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Speaker 7: safety is shared users. I mean, we wouldn't contemplate having

958
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 7: a shared pedestrian space where vehicles can be going, you know,

959
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 7: sixty plus miles an hour on an unstable surface where

960
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 7: there are people having picnics and no trying to.

961
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 21: Go through this.

962
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: No, you slow them right down, don't you. Clear Listen,

963
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Thank you. I hope you get

964
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: to the bond of that one. That's clear. Bradley Murderuay

965
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Community Association Coach chair. Listen, we need to talk about actually, truancy,

966
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: I've got some great data for you or deal with that.

967
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: Shortly five twenty two.

968
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

969
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dogs.

970
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: That'd be I'm getting quite a few texts on Mutaway

971
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: making some good points. I'm going to get to that shortly.

972
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: We'll do it, and we'll do it after the headlines.

973
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: It's five twenty five. I just want to talk quickly

974
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: about the outgoing boss of Kayinger Order and his three

975
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout to leave the job.

976
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: No surprise at all, But the tone that's been taken

977
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: on this is that the payout is massive, mega eye watering.

978
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

979
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: It absolutely is not. That is not a big payout

980
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: for a CEO that I mean, frankly, that's six months

981
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: of his salary. That's not a lot. When Tony Gibson

982
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: quit the Ports of Auckland, he was on eight hundred

983
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: and twenty thousand dollars a year, which is not that

984
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: much more than the boss of KO was on. He

985
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: got a payout of a million bucks. Kevin Kenrick when

986
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: he left TV and Z was on a salary of

987
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty thousand dollars, which is less than

988
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: the boss of KO, he got a payout of two

989
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: million bucks. Now it's not always apples and apples, I

990
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: can see that. I mean, there will always be weird

991
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: little payments that are bespoke to the ce this particular CEO,

992
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: like holiday pay and bonuses and stuff like that. But

993
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: the point I'm trying to make is that a payout

994
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: for a CEO of only half their salary at three

995
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five thousand dollars is us getting away

996
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: likely to get rid of the guy. And that is

997
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: obviously what happened here. It's pretty clear he didn't want

998
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: to quit. He didn't wake up the other day and go,

999
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm not really enjoying the job anymore. I think I might,

1000
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: I think I might might give it up. No, what

1001
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: happened is that Simon Mooter, the new chair, sat him

1002
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: down and obviously told him, you need to quit. You

1003
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: didn't even try to deny that on the show yesterday

1004
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: when I put that to him. If you're basically going

1005
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: to fire somebody at CEO level, you need to be

1006
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: prepared to pay. And frankly, this is small change to

1007
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: get that job done.

1008
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: Now.

1009
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: As for this nonsense about him being given redundancy because

1010
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: of the scope of his job had changed and what,

1011
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: that's just nonsense. That's just absolute bs. The fact of

1012
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: the matter is that to technicality that they used to

1013
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: get rid of a CEO they didn't want any more

1014
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: because he had to go, and he did have to

1015
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: go because he ran an organization that refused to evict

1016
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: thugs who were terrorizing their neighbors, that ran up huge

1017
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: amounts of debt, that bid and paid way more than

1018
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: market value for properties around the country, and that frankly

1019
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: had lost the confidence of the public. Now, I do

1020
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: not want to have to spend four hundred thousand dollars

1021
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: of tax payer money on something like this. I can

1022
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: think of way better ways to spend that money. But

1023
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: to get rid of a CEO who so obviously had

1024
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 2: to go, I reckon we got away lightly. Heather doup

1025
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: Cel David Seymour's crack down on trueanc he seems to

1026
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: be working. Listen to this. Remember when he was like, No,

1027
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: you can't be taking the kids out of school to

1028
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: go to Fiji during the school school term. No, you

1029
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: can't just be pulling them out because they haven't etchy

1030
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: I or something like that. Send them to school. He

1031
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: was quite harsh on it. Flight Center have data that

1032
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: shows that families with school age kiddies and our choosing

1033
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: not to take the kids out of school to go

1034
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: on holiday. They're doing it in the school holiday breaks.

1035
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: The travel bookings during the winter holidays up ten percent

1036
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: from last year, bookings during the school term down thirty percent.

1037
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: And they say that customers are telling them that the

1038
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: heaps of schools across the country now have really firm

1039
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: rules against taking the kids out of school for travel

1040
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: that they do not consider to be crucial. Now, obviously

1041
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: you're going to go in the school holidays. You're going

1042
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: to go in this at the same time as literally

1043
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: everybody else. So it's going to be very expensive. The

1044
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: tippers just do it in advance headlines.

1045
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: Next the day's newsweakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplessy

1046
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: and drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1047
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: New talk Z be me.

1048
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 11: Can we.

1049
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: Watch me? So apparently the house price is to be

1050
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: affordable again in this country, they have to drop by

1051
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: another sixteen percent. Oh yeah, how much do you love that?

1052
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: Not at all? Brad Olsen will be with us at

1053
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: about quarter past six talk us through that. The huddle

1054
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: standing by. So the texts on the mudaway issue all

1055
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: seem to sort of really suggest the same thing. I

1056
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: don't think it's bang on hither, I drive a lot

1057
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: on Mude. Why the answer is to fined heavily and police.

1058
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: It's that easy. Now, that is true, Okay. The reason

1059
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: why if you accept that it's a pedestri a shared

1060
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: pedestrian zone on a beach like Mude Way, that's basically

1061
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: the same concept as you go down a central city

1062
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: of Many a central city road now Fort Street and

1063
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: Auckland Bond Street and Wellington places like that, and it's

1064
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: a it's a shared pedestrian zone, right, and you go

1065
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: what like ten twenty k's in your car or something

1066
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: like that. The only difference between these two spaces we're

1067
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: going ten twenty in a city and like hooning on

1068
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: a beach is that you know you could get busted

1069
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: in the city and you know you're not going to

1070
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: get busted on the beach. So the answer is obviously

1071
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: enforcement you need to do there, like a police officer

1072
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: or an Auckland City councilor Auckland City staff or whatever

1073
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: to basically police and enforce. Now, the question is that's

1074
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: the solution. Now, the question is do you want to

1075
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: pay for that, because that's going to cost your money.

1076
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: So is it worth paying for the enforcement in order

1077
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: to continue to have the right and the privilege of

1078
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: being able to drive on Mudaway Beach? If it's so

1079
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: important to you, you might say yes. The rest of

1080
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: us might go Nah, you just can't drive on anymore.

1081
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: Win don't want to pay for that. That's what it

1082
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: comes down to. There's your answer. Twenty three away.

1083
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: From six Heather duplicy Ellen.

1084
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Speaker 2: US President Joe Biden has condemned the Supreme Court's decision

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Speaker 2: on immunity this morning.

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Speaker 11: Today's decision almost certainly means that there are virtually no

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Speaker 11: limits or a president can do. It's a fundamentally new principle,

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Speaker 11: and it's a dangerous precedent because the power of the

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Speaker 11: office will no longer be constrained by the law, even

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Speaker 11: including the Supreme Court of the United States. The only

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Speaker 11: limits will be self imposed by the president a law.

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Speaker 2: The U. S. Supreme Court has ruled that presidents have

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Speaker 2: absolute immunity from prosecution for their official acts, no immunity

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Speaker 2: for their unofficial acts their non official acts. This means

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will have significant immunity on charges of trying

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Speaker 2: to overturn the last election. Now, Randy Zellen is a

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Speaker 2: Cornell University Cornell University law professor, and with us now, hey, Randy, hey,

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Speaker 2: Is this as wild as it looks?

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Speaker 8: No, it is not as wild as it looks.

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Speaker 13: First of all, President Biden himself should be thankful for

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Speaker 13: the Supreme Court's decision today, because Donald Trump has all

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Speaker 13: but shouted from Mountain High that if he is re

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Speaker 13: elected as president, there's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be retribution.

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Speaker 13: And certainly one of the prime targets of mister Trump's

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Speaker 13: retribution is sure to be Joe Biden, who he has

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Speaker 13: consistently claimed responsible for all of these criminal prosecutions. So

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Speaker 13: if former President Trump cannot be prosecuted for official acts

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Speaker 13: while he was president, then right now President Biden wants

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Speaker 13: he's out of office, will not be able to be

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Speaker 13: prosecuted for official acts while he was in office. So

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Speaker 13: this sound by it sounds good now, But once President

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Speaker 13: Biden is out of office, I wonder if he'll be

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Speaker 13: singing the same to it.

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Speaker 2: So, in a dissenting opinion, Justice Soto Mayo said that

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Speaker 2: this will basically make it possible for future presidents to

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Speaker 2: be able to order the Navy Seal Team six to

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Speaker 2: assassinate a political rival. Is that true?

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Speaker 13: No, I think that's a bit dramatic the reality. From

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Speaker 13: my perspective, I think the Supreme Court looked down at

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Speaker 13: all of US citizens and said, you know what, guys,

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Speaker 13: we are not going to be your babysitters. You want

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Speaker 13: to elect people in office who have dubious, dubious character

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Speaker 13: and do questionable things, well, don't come to us expecting

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Speaker 13: us to clean up your mess. So what we're going

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Speaker 13: to do is, like parents, we're going to set guidelines.

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Speaker 13: We're going to set rules. We can't cover every single eventuality,

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Speaker 13: we can't cover every single possibility, everything you could do wrong.

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Speaker 13: We'll take it one step at a time, but we're

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Speaker 13: going to leave it to people below us to figure out.

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Speaker 8: When you do something right and when you screw up.

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Speaker 2: So good luck. But Randy, what is what is stopping

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Speaker 2: the president? If he was to say, if it was

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Speaker 2: Trump and he had a I'm just saying, you know, hypothetically,

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Speaker 2: he had a potential rival he wanted to take out,

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Speaker 2: and he got the guy assassinated, and he said that

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Speaker 2: was part of my official duties. The guy was a three.

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Speaker 2: What's stopping him? From doing that and escaping.

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Speaker 13: Well, well, what would happen is, according to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 13: the president could be charged criminally. He would then raise immunity,

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Speaker 13: and it would be up to a court to determine

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Speaker 13: on a case by case basis whether or not what

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Speaker 13: the president did was within his official act as president

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Speaker 13: of the United States. Now you have to keep in

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Speaker 13: mind that the Supreme Court in the United States said,

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Speaker 13: basically there were three possibilities. There are those acts of

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Speaker 13: the president that are conclusive that we don't need to

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Speaker 13: look at it, and it's clear that that was an

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Speaker 13: official act and therefore the president has absolute immunity. Then

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Speaker 13: you have those instances the polar opposite, which is not sorry,

1151
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Speaker 13: the president was not acting in his official capacity. If

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Speaker 13: the president went in shoplifted at a seven to eleven,

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Speaker 13: that's certainly not acting in an official capacity. So it's

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Speaker 13: the in between that the Supreme Court is saying, we're

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Speaker 13: going to take it case by case. There may be

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Speaker 13: a presumption that the president was acting in an official capacity,

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Speaker 13: but that presumption can be overcome. So this decision I

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Speaker 13: don't think is as earth shattering and traumatic as it

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Speaker 13: seems to be. It's simply a matter of we never

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Speaker 13: had to be concerned about this because in our history

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Speaker 13: one other time maybe if you want to look at

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Speaker 13: President Nixon, and he was smart enough to resign before

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Speaker 13: things got too hot, and then President Ford pardoned him.

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Speaker 13: So this is the first time in our history that

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Speaker 13: we're being tested to this level. So it's uncharted territory,

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Speaker 13: and I think the Supreme Court did the best that

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Speaker 13: it could not to go too far one way or

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Speaker 13: the other and leave it to the trial courts on

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Speaker 13: a case by case basis to determine whether or not

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Speaker 13: there's immunity.

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Speaker 2: Randy, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for giving us some perspective. That's Randy Zellen,

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Speaker 2: Cornell University Law professor. It's coming up seventeen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional Marketing

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Speaker 2: Hurdle with me this evening. Allie Jones read Pr Tim Wilson, maximums. Shoot,

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Speaker 2: how are you too good? A ali? What do you

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Speaker 2: make of the government's plan to save the media.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I've been listening to

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Speaker 22: a bit about this today. I do wonder though, whether

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Speaker 22: what's happened overseas, because a lot of those media organizations

1182
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Speaker 22: are big, the world resourced, I've got a lot of money.

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Speaker 22: Whether they are stronger when it comes to bargaining with

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Speaker 22: the tech giants and getting those agreements together, and what

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Speaker 22: that's going to mean for some of our smaller media organizations.

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Speaker 23: I think it's positive.

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Speaker 22: I think we have to do this. We're way behind

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Speaker 22: the rest of the world. And I just do not

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Speaker 22: understand David Seymour's comments today about not supporting the bill running.

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Speaker 22: He sounds dangerously uninformed. I think, but look, we've got

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Speaker 22: to do it. But I do worry about what power

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Speaker 22: the media organizations in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Wellway, it might come back to you on that, Tim,

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Speaker 2: what do you think.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, look, I think it's well meaning. I don't know

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Speaker 24: how successful it all successful it'll be. In Australia, it's

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Speaker 24: been a bit of a mixed bag. It has favored

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Speaker 24: big entity smaller newsrooms have collapsed. Money has come in,

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Speaker 24: but then they've tried to renegotiate it. Essentially, that's the

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Speaker 24: news bug. I think it's the fair Bargaining Code. That's

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Speaker 24: what it's called in Australia, it's produced mixed results. My

1202
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 24: thing actually is the support for Shortland Street. So this

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Speaker 24: is a soap opera whose peak was in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 24: five is now being put on life support by the government.

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Speaker 24: That seems strange.

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Speaker 2: It's to preserve the acting industry. I think, Allie, okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to come back to you on David Seymore's comments.

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Speaker 2: So David's point, judging by the statement that he's put out,

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Speaker 2: is that this has the potential to backfire massively in

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Speaker 2: the same way that it has in Canada. We've got

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Speaker 2: the small publishers who now that they don't have faceboo

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Speaker 2: because Facebook's banned all news right in Canada, being the

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Speaker 2: dicks that they are, frankly, they've had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a pout band or news. Small publishers have a drop

1215
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Speaker 2: off now of seventy five percent in the clicks that

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Speaker 2: they're getting. They are now not making money and shutting down.

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Speaker 2: That is the potential that we face. Is that not

1218
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Speaker 2: something to be worried about.

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Speaker 22: Not loving it is something to be worried about. But

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Speaker 22: I mean, what I've heard Seymore talking about today is

1221
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 22: just ridiculous stuff about oh this is not really how

1222
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 22: people traditionally want the media to be. Now they don't

1223
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 22: want the product one off or I don't think this

1224
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 22: is going to work. I mean, I'm just hearing him

1225
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 22: say stuff, but I haven't heard him talk about that specifically,

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Speaker 22: And of course that's got to be a concern. I

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Speaker 22: think we have to look at that and be very

1228
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Speaker 22: cognizant of that. But I've been more concerned about some

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Speaker 22: of the other comments that that Seymour said that just

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Speaker 22: seemed to be I don't know where he's talked about.

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Speaker 2: Interesting point, Tim, is that part of the problem. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that actually the stuff that's being served up by the

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Speaker 2: vast majority of the media in this country we just

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Speaker 2: don't want because it's boring.

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Speaker 24: I look, I think there's two issues here. There's a

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Speaker 24: journalism issue and a platform issue. And what's clear is

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Speaker 24: that platforms are eroding. Is journalism eroding? There's some argument

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Speaker 24: for that, with a number of journalists working declines, But

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Speaker 24: that stuff, I guess, those kinds of discussions about who

1240
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 24: we are, our stories, et cetera, they're migrating to other platforms,

1241
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Speaker 24: and so I'm just not sure whether you can fix

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00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 24: that by legislation. Just can we get back to Shortland Street,

1243
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 24: because like, that's twenty million, that's twenty million year. Seriously,

1244
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Speaker 24: twenty million a year. If they put the money, they

1245
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Speaker 24: take that money that they're going to pull in the

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Speaker 24: Shortland Street. Now, if they put it into Hunts for

1247
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 24: the Wilder People, they would have got a return of

1248
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 24: almost ten times that. So I'm I mean, innovation happens

1249
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Speaker 24: when other things die. Yeah, I'm that's just the story

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Speaker 24: of her.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, Alie, I want you to think

1252
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Speaker 2: about whether it's worth saving Shorty Street to get your

1253
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: take when we come back news dogs'd be right, you're

1254
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Speaker 2: back with the hut old Tim Wilson, maximum of the

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Speaker 2: maximum stude Allie Jones read pr right, Ali, what do

1256
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Speaker 2: you reckon? Do we save Shorty Street?

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Speaker 22: I'm actually the che enough bring that Gloss fan club,

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Speaker 22: So that's my iteration. Well, I don't think we should

1259
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Speaker 22: be defined by Shortland Street. I had a caught up

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Speaker 22: with Justine Smith, the wonderful comedian in towno's the weekend

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Speaker 22: here in christ Church, and one thing that I'm missing

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Speaker 22: is good comedy, good sketch comedy. That's what we need

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Speaker 22: on Telly short.

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Speaker 24: Let's do that let's bet there. Let's be exactly, Let's

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Speaker 24: allow Shortland Street to die the death that's been dying

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Speaker 24: for the last twenty years and pay for some comedy

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Speaker 24: some damn money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah maybe so Hey, speaking of money, Tim, do you

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Speaker 2: reckon the three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout

1270
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Speaker 2: for the KO boss who's basically been told to quit

1271
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Speaker 2: was too much? Or is that actually getting away lightly?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I heard you.

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Speaker 24: I heard your editorial and it did challenge me. I

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Speaker 24: think I think he has been you know, he's had

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Speaker 24: sort of like they put the chloroform over his mouth

1277
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Speaker 24: and it'd given him three ninety five k We'll see

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 24: you later.

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Speaker 6: I guess that's it.

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Speaker 24: Is it cheap?

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Speaker 15: Though?

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Speaker 24: I don't know. I feel I'm and maybe I'm just

1283
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 24: some schmuk that works in the charitable sector. But it

1284
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 24: seems like a lot of money when the Prime Minister

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Speaker 24: and for what is at four eighty four and this

1286
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Speaker 24: guy is on seven twenty one. So I'm yeah, I

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Speaker 24: it just does seem like a lot of money to me.

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Speaker 13: But I'm a stone allie.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, look, I do agree, but I think there's a

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Speaker 22: bigger issue here. I mean, I want to know where

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Speaker 22: the board oversight was. How did that board manage to

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Speaker 22: continue as long as it did? Clearly taking his eyes

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Speaker 22: off the walls, the buck stops there. And how many

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Speaker 22: of those with political appointments who's been underperforming, who watches

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Speaker 22: the governors who you know, make sure they're doing their job. So, look,

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Speaker 22: I do think it's a lot of money. I think

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Speaker 22: that they did want to get rid of him, but

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Speaker 22: I think it was a very expensive way. If he's

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Speaker 22: not performing, then he's not performing and it needs to go.

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Speaker 22: And he doesn't need a big fat golden handshake as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, but if you're going to force him to quit, right,

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Speaker 2: you've got to give him money. And I'd much rather

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Speaker 2: for you know, under four hundred as opposed to like

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Speaker 2: a million or two million, which is what KPIs. Though.

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Speaker 22: I mean, surely we've got systems in place that we

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Speaker 22: can actually go, well, you're not reaching that.

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Speaker 23: That or that.

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Speaker 2: No, then you have to go through the old process

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Speaker 2: of you know, like fire, like firing someone that takes

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Speaker 2: like five thousand years.

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Speaker 24: Then he hires a lawyer than you are a lawyer. Blah.

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Speaker 24: But having heard that, having said that, I think you

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Speaker 24: Ellie makes a really important point, which is that we

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Speaker 24: need to see how this process. We actually need to

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Speaker 24: see this played out, rather than you know, it's like

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Speaker 24: they're they're just if you go to sleep, we'll give

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Speaker 24: this three ninety five. You've been a good boy.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough. Listen, Allie, tell me what you think. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Keir Starmer, the guy who's most likely going to be

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Speaker 2: the UK Prime minister by Friday, says he's not going

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Speaker 2: to work past six o'clock on Fridays because he wants

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Speaker 2: to spend the evening with he with his kids. Is

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Speaker 2: that realistic if he's in a big job like he

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Speaker 2: might be.

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Speaker 22: No, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, what a stupid thing

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Speaker 22: to say. It's a nice idea, it's deluded. I think

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Speaker 22: anyone who goes into a job like that. I remember

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Speaker 22: when Leanelzel came in his mare and crist Situ I

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Speaker 22: was at the council. She said, I won't be having

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Speaker 22: reports that are any longer than two pages that lasted

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Speaker 22: a week. Some of the nice ideas. But actually that's

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Speaker 22: it's nonsense.

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Speaker 25: Yep, Tim, Yeah, look.

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Speaker 24: I admire I'm valuing his family, but the fact is

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Speaker 24: that you say you come home to dinner at five o'clock,

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Speaker 24: then you go back to work at eight o'clock. That's

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Speaker 24: the way it works. And also the teenagers, we don't

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Speaker 24: want to hang out. Do you want to hang out

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Speaker 24: with that?

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Speaker 22: I don't want to hang out with deb No, he's.

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Speaker 24: Diluted, Yeah exactly. But can I just say I've got

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Speaker 24: four Philistines on the rampage.

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Speaker 21: I've got to go.

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Speaker 2: It's all okay, sorry, sorry, okay, you go get to

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Speaker 2: get the KI into their faces. Guys, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Alie Jones, Tim Wilson. Our Huddle seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: Speaker, on the iHeart app and in your.

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Speaker 3: Car on your drive home.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupless Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant

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Speaker 1: Leap for Business News talk as that'd be all.

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Speaker 2: Right Rabobank listen, we're going to talk about rub A.

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Speaker 2: Think we're going to talk to rabobank after six thirty

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Speaker 2: because they're warning farmers not to take their foot off

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Speaker 2: the gas when it comes to the emissions and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, because obviously now farmers don't have to go

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Speaker 2: into the ets, so they might be relaxing. Rubber bankers

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Speaker 2: like nap, don't relax. You need to keep going because

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Speaker 2: what's good for the planet is good for the client's business.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a chat to them after half past six. Now, oh,

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Speaker 2: Heather Potent's gonna invade the UK after six o'clock on

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Speaker 2: a Friday evening, no one knowing, no one, absolutely, no

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Speaker 2: one's in charge. And if Kiera is a Nazi on

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Speaker 2: this stuff, he'll also be one of those guys who

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Speaker 2: turns the phone off. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's a special time with my children.

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Speaker 2: I'm turning the phone off. And so they'll be bringing

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Speaker 2: him being like invasion, Kia, Invasion, and he's like just

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Speaker 2: happy at home watching the evening news. Get a load

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Speaker 2: of this. Gen Z girls love Billy Joels Vienna, this one.

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Speaker 2: You know that when the children, yes, this is what

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Speaker 2: they love at a moment. Now we are talking about

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Speaker 2: just to remind you what a gen Z girl is

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Speaker 2: as a girl aged twelve to twenty seven, like kiddies,

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Speaker 2: they love it. Seems like they got into it, possibly

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Speaker 2: by watching a movie called f ten Going on thirty,

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Speaker 2: which was a rom com which was made about twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago starring Jennifer Gannah. Isn't she married to old

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Speaker 2: mate who got busted the other day from in sync

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Speaker 2: what's his name? Justin Timberlake My Magic? No, she's the

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Speaker 2: ex of what's his face? Who went for j Lo

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Speaker 2: ben Affleck. She's the hot one who he ditched for

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Speaker 2: j Lo Jennifer Gannah. Yeah. Anyway, So the movie's about

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Speaker 2: a little girl who desperately wants to be a movie

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Speaker 2: and a woman, and then she wakes up in a

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Speaker 2: high powered thirty something magazine editors Joel job Like. She

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Speaker 2: wakes up as a woman, and then she realizes it

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Speaker 2: really sucks, and she tries to run away from the

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Speaker 2: city and go back to her parents in her home,

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Speaker 2: and this song plays and the gen z is love

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Speaker 2: it because it speaks to them. It describes their particular

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Speaker 2: feelings of onwear at the moment. One on TikTok said

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Speaker 2: she booked a trip to Vienna because of the song.

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Speaker 2: Another one wants to get the lyrics tattooed on her body.

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Speaker 2: Another one wants to name her child Vienna, until she

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Speaker 2: realized they might get mistaken for a sausage. Every teenage girl.

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Speaker 2: They say things like this, Every teenage girl has the

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Speaker 2: inexplicable emotional attachment to the song. No one knows why.

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Speaker 2: It's just a pinnacle part of girlhood. No one understands

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Speaker 2: a woman in her twenties like Billy Joel died when

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Speaker 2: he wrote Vienna sadwn you.

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Speaker 1: What what's down? What were the major calls? And how

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Speaker 1: will it affect the economy.

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Speaker 3: Of the big business?

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Speaker 1: Questions on the Business Hour with hither Duplessy Allen and

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Speaker 1: my Hr on News Talks ev.

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Speaker 2: Even coming up in the next hour, brad Olsen's going

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Speaker 2: to talk us through where the house prices will drop

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Speaker 2: another sixteen percent? Rabobank on why farmers shouldn't relax on

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Speaker 2: the emissions even though they have escaped the etes and

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Speaker 2: Jamie Mchaye, who I think is out at some flash

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Speaker 2: function at the moment. Eight past six now, the Broadcasting

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Speaker 2: Minister says Facebook may actually well end up banning New

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Speaker 2: Zealand news content from its sites a site in retaliation

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Speaker 2: against a proposed fair bargaining bill. Once past the likes

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Speaker 2: of Google and Facebook will be forced to negotiate deals

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Speaker 2: with media companies in order to use their contents. When

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Speaker 2: I asked Paul Goldsmith, the Minister, earlier, whether the tech

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Speaker 2: the tech companies had threatened to ban news in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: No, they were any threats, but I mean they've made

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Speaker 4: it clear that not veryen on this legislation, as has

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Speaker 4: Google gurgle, and so you know, it's it is quite

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Speaker 4: a tricky area, but we think imbalances with having this

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Speaker 4: as a backstop just to encourage those conversations to happen.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Holden is the News Publishers Association's Public affairs director

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Speaker 2: and with us Now, Hey, Andrew, hi have how do

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Speaker 2: you rate the chances that Facebook will ban news here?

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Speaker 20: Ah, It's a bit difficult to say at this point.

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Speaker 20: I mean they've certainly done or threatened that in Australia,

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Speaker 20: and they've done it in Canada. I mean, I think

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Speaker 20: the point about this legislation is it gives us an

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Speaker 20: opportunity to sit down with them and have a conversation

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Speaker 20: and a negotiation. There's no need from our perspective to

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Speaker 20: go to that kind of nuclear response at this point.

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Speaker 20: We think that news brings venue to Facebook. We just

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Speaker 20: want to have a conversation with them about it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that may be what you might want to be reasonable,

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Speaker 2: but they're not that reasonable if we end up in

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Speaker 2: the same situation that is possible in Australia. Certainly has

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Speaker 2: happened in Canada where you've got this, you know, them

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Speaker 2: pulling out of the news and there as therefore as

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Speaker 2: a result reduced traffic and it particularly hits the smaller

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Speaker 2: publishers hard. Is it worth it to end up in

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Speaker 2: that position for what little money we will get from Google?

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Speaker 20: Well, are talking about a little money from Google and

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Speaker 20: little money from Facebook, I mean between the two of them,

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Speaker 20: and so no money.

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Speaker 2: From Facebook Andrew they walk away. They really hurt the

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Speaker 2: traffic that goes through to the websites. You're getting some

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Speaker 2: from Google, but you lose Facebook and all of their

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Speaker 2: platform altogether. Is it worth it?

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Speaker 20: Well, we lose the platform potentially for news. But you know,

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Speaker 20: there are always alternatives for small publishers, and certainly the

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Speaker 20: MPa is one of those who are more than happy

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Speaker 20: to talk to those small community or ethnic publishers around

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Speaker 20: what might be alternatives for them. I mean fundamentally, what

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Speaker 20: we're talking about here though, is what is a fair

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Speaker 20: pain and for the use of journalism content buying these

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Speaker 20: tech companies, and we know that you're using it. We've

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Speaker 20: done research recently that shows them more than ninety percent

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Speaker 20: of KeyWe yous are going to who want to keep

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Speaker 20: up to date with news every single day, and search

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Speaker 20: and social media are key places that they go through

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Speaker 20: to find that information. So we know news is of

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Speaker 20: value to them. And what we want to do is

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Speaker 20: sit down with these companies and say journalism matters of

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Speaker 20: New Zealand, you're getting value out of it. What do

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Speaker 20: you think is a fair payment to arts. That's fundamentally

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Speaker 20: the point behind this.

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Speaker 1: I would have.

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Speaker 2: Thought that news media had a better argument with the

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Speaker 2: likes of Facebook and Google using AI, because there is

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Speaker 2: no I mean, you know, there is some benefit in

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Speaker 2: news media being on a platform like Google because you

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Speaker 2: get the tech traffic, you get the traffic coming through,

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Speaker 2: you also get you there's some benefit of being on

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Speaker 2: a platform like Facebook because you get the traffic coming through.

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Speaker 2: But there is absolutely no benefit to news media and

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Speaker 2: those guys scraping their content for AI. Are you disappointed

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Speaker 2: that Paul Goldsmith's not doing anything about the AI?

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Speaker 20: No? I mean, we certainly asked him to suggest that

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Speaker 20: a legislation call it out. But we're confident that this legislation,

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Speaker 20: because it doesn't specify the particular companies that are covered

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Speaker 20: by it, that it will in fact cover those AIS

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Speaker 20: so Chat GPT, as far as we're concerned, will be

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Speaker 20: covered by this legislation. We know that they're using New

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Speaker 20: zeal On journalism, they're using it to train their engines.

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Speaker 20: So we're looking forward to sitting down and having a

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Speaker 20: conversation with them and saying we know you're getting venue

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Speaker 20: under this, it's time for you to pay for the

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Speaker 20: venue that you're getting from it.

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Speaker 2: Does David Seymour have a point that this doesn't actually

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Speaker 2: fundamentally deal with the problem, which is that the news

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Speaker 2: media is offering up a product we no longer want

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Speaker 2: to consume.

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean he's wrong on that respect. I mean

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Speaker 20: he's talking about something completely different. The issue here is

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Speaker 20: that the money is being digital advertising is being scooped

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Speaker 20: up by these digital tech companies. They're getting value from

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Speaker 20: news and they're not paying for it. What he's talking

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Speaker 20: about is something fundamentally different. We don't have an issue

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Speaker 20: with the audience in New Zealand. As I said that

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Speaker 20: research is showing that ninety percent of kiwis are going

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Speaker 20: and looking for information every day. The same research shows

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 20: that they trust their local news content providers. Here in

1508
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 20: this country, over eighty percent of kiwis actually trust the

1509
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 20: local journalists who tell them what's happening if there's flooding

1510
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 20: in Lisbon or on an earthquake in christ Church. So

1511
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 20: that's not the issue here. The issue is a marketing balance.

1512
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 20: It's not the quality of the news, and it's not

1513
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 20: the fact that the keys want to be kept up

1514
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 20: to day.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you

1516
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: so much for your time. That's Andrew Holden Holden, who's

1517
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: the public affairs director at the News Publishers Association. On

1518
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: Shortland Street, lots of text here that who watches Shorty Street?

1519
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: I never have. My friends don't, my parents don't, neither

1520
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,520
Speaker 2: do my kids. I'm just curious to know what demographic

1521
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: makes up their ratings. Bring on the comedy, because I'd

1522
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: watched that here. The Shortland Street is, in my opinion,

1523
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: pap and a waste of money. Hither it's a shame

1524
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 2: that Sunday and Fair Go got canceled, regardless of profitability.

1525
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: Those stories needed to be told at Shortland Street is rubbish.

1526
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: I have no opinion. Have not watched it in twenty years,

1527
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: twenty five years, I don't even know. I don't even

1528
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: know if I ever watched it, probably not. Anyway, got

1529
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: some good news and some bad news. Who are starting

1530
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 2: with the bad news. The bad news is the economy

1531
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: is still getting worse by the looks of things. So

1532
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: we had the little GDP number that get slightly out

1533
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: of recession, but yeah, don't really take too much from

1534
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: that because it's still getting worse by the looks of things.

1535
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: Endz in Iers quarterly survey of business opinion shows business

1536
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 2: confidence is still falling and net thirty five percent of

1537
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: firms I reckon the next few months are going to

1538
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: get worse and net twenty eight percent have reported their

1539
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: own business has declined in the June quarter, which is

1540
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 2: the quarter we just got out of a couple of

1541
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: days ago. That's worse than the previous quarter. Very bad

1542
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 2: in construction, very bad in manufacturing. Good news good news

1543
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,959
Speaker 2: is this is going to mean an OCR cut probably

1544
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 2: this year, which is what I'm banking on and have

1545
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: been predicting. So fingers crossed asb says OCR cuts before

1546
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 2: year end remain a distinct possibility. Our our call is

1547
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: under review. A and Z says we remain very comfortable

1548
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 2: that the RB and Z will be cutting considerably earlier

1549
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: than signaled in the May MPs monetary policy statement. Kiwibank

1550
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 2: says enough is enough. The risk here is severe economic

1551
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: scarring from overly restrictive monetary policy. It expects a cut

1552
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: in November and has for ages. B and Z says

1553
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: in our humble opinion Today's quarterly Survey of Business Opinions

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 2: screams rate cuts sooner rather than later. Here here, don't

1555
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: think it can go on much longer. Fourteen past six.

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather duplicy

1557
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: Allen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR. The

1558
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: HL platform for sme on us talks EDB. Crunching the

1559
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy Ellen with

1560
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: the business hours.

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 3: Thanks to my HR.

1562
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 1: The HR platform for sme on us talks EDB.

1563
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: Come on here the start pushing Adrian or as the

1564
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: next Andrew McKenzie, as in the boss of KO, as

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01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: in like bye bye, here's your golden handshake. Then this

1566
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 2: country might get somewhere fell I'll tell you what, I

1567
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind it. But didn't we just sign a contract

1568
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: with Adrian last year, wasn't it last year or thereabouts?

1569
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: For another like five years? So you'll stuck with Adrian

1570
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: for another four years. By my calculations off the top

1571
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 2: of my head, I would he's on eight fifty, by

1572
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: the way, But I just like just his character, his

1573
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: golden handshake would be massive to get rid of him,

1574
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: and I would pray it to get rid of him.

1575
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: I really would. Eighteen past six Now, Infirmetric says house

1576
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: prices need to fall at least another sixteen percent to

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01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: become anything like affordable.

1578
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 24: Now.

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01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: This comes after the Housing Minister, Chris Bishop said last

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 2: week that house prices need to drop, which is a

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 2: pretty big thing for a housing minister to say. Already,

1582
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: according to the Real Estate Institute, house prices are sixteen

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01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: percent below their twenty twenty one peak. Brad Olsen is

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 2: Informetric's principal economist and with us.

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 25: Now, hey, Brad, good evening.

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 2: So you're talking about sixteen percent on top of the

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: sixteen percent we've already seen, which is what thirty two percent?

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01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 25: Yeah, that would be from that peak. I mean, to

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 25: be fair, we're comparing it to the most tippy top

1590
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 25: of the mark, which was sort of stupid o'clock when

1591
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 25: it comes to the housing market. Like no one I

1592
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 25: think seriously looked at that and went, this really huge

1593
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 25: number on paper is the number that I should use

1594
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 25: as my reference points for the rest of the time.

1595
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 25: But it also shows that given how much house prices

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01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 25: they have gone out of kilter with people's incomes, you're

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 25: now paying a substantially higher proportion of your income to

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01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 25: service a mortgage over time, far more than it was

1599
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 25: over the long term. That's why if you actually want

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 25: to talk about affordability, if you want to get serious

1601
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 25: on that topic, you would have to see house prices full.

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to.

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 25: I don't think they'll fall at the moment. I mean

1604
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 25: we're doing some better things in the right direction, and

1605
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 25: we broadly expect to see house prices track sideways over

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01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 25: the next couple of years. In fact, I think when

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 25: we ran the lumbers last time, we thought that it

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 25: might be twenty twenty nine before we got house prices

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01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 25: back to their twenty twenty one peak, And of course,

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 25: over that period you to be expecting that people's incomes

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 25: will increase over time, and that seems to be a

1612
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 25: suggestion from a lot of people over how you get

1613
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 25: better affordability as you sort of try and hold house

1614
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 25: prices where they are. Because look, lets be clear and

1615
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 25: hither I'm surprised you haven't taken me to task yet

1616
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 25: on asking for house prices go down. I mean, that

1617
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 25: is the biggest value that most households in New Zealand have,

1618
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 25: and on these numbers, we're sort of suggesting it needs

1619
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 25: to go lower. The more palatable option and I sort

1620
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 25: of understand that is that you hold try and hold

1621
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 25: house prices where they are at the moment, and you

1622
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 25: let incomes grow over time. But it would take a while,

1623
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 25: and all the while you've got a bunch of young

1624
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 25: kiwis who are going well at the moment, I'd be

1625
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 25: coming back and having to spend and splurge a whole

1626
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 25: bunch of money on a house that's worth far, far

1627
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 25: too much relatively speaking. Is that really the future I want?

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01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 25: So it's a toss up over time looking at those

1629
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 25: house prices and people's interomes.

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01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm not taking you to task, Brad, because I think

1631
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 2: that I think that we've all come to accept that

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01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: it cannot continue the way that it is, right, And

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01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: I also think it's not going to fall by sixteen percent,

1634
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: So I think you're just what you're talking about is theoretical, right.

1635
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what I am worried about is

1636
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: that the stuff that's going on at the moment, like

1637
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: the debt to income ratios, is going to have an

1638
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: effect on It's just not going to let the house

1639
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 2: prices rise at the extent to which we have got

1640
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: used to. Therefore, that adjustment in our heads and the

1641
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: impact on the wealth effect I suspect is going to

1642
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: be quite big economically, don't you think?

1643
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 20: Oh? Absolutely?

1644
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 25: But I do wonder if that's all most sort of

1645
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 25: a good thing for the future, if we don't have

1646
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 25: quite as much house price process we've did into our expectations.

1647
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 25: You know, up until a couple of years ago, house

1648
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 25: prices couldn't fall like that was just balming. You could

1649
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 25: write a you know, you could sort of sign your

1650
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 25: will on the idea that a house price will go down,

1651
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 25: and now it has. And I think that what I'm

1652
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 25: wonder is, with the lights of the details that have

1653
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 25: come in in the future. That also means that if

1654
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 25: you're looking as an investor in anyone else or when

1655
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 25: you put your money, maybe you don't put it into

1656
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 25: a health Maybe you think about trying to get a

1657
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 25: better or turn elsewhere. Maybe that's how we get those

1658
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 25: productivity to our hands over time. Maybe that's how we

1659
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 25: get our better and higher incomes over time that mean

1660
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 25: we can afford the houses. So this might be sort

1661
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 25: of a not too bad sort of feedback loop for

1662
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 25: the economy. But I think look bottom line, if it's

1663
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,919
Speaker 25: a sixteen percent drop, even if it's house is continuing

1664
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 25: at the same level, I think we probably should be

1665
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 25: able to agree right everyone that house prices continuing to

1666
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 25: go up at a faster rate than people's incomes means

1667
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 25: that you will increasingly lock people out of the housing market.

1668
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 25: That's certainly not the outcome that anyone wants.

1669
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: Yet I take your point, so it's basically long term gain.

1670
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: You take the medicine right now, Brad, Thank you. Was

1671
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: always really appreciated this Brad Olson, and for metrics principal

1672
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: economists wise beyond his years. That boy a Heather I

1673
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 2: posted a comment on rabobank this is rabobank new Zealand,

1674
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: and I said that their white paper, which is the

1675
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: one we're going to talk to them about in twenty minutes,

1676
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: I said their white paper was a load of white

1677
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: noise and stop picking on the farmers and cows, and

1678
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 2: that I thought that they were a bank dealing with

1679
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: things financial rather than joining the climate change work brigade

1680
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: and telling farmers how they should farm. And I see

1681
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: my comments now being deleted. Oh Leslie, I think I'm

1682
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: going to go down a similarish track to you. Actually

1683
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: in a minute six twenty two.

1684
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: Wow a rule report on the heather duper see Eland

1685
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: Drive with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

1686
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: Here we go, Jamie McKay Hosts of the Country out

1687
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: of the Prime Reindustry Summit and Awards in Wellington. Aren't

1688
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 2: you Jamie?

1689
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 23: What was that hair? I couldn't quite pick that up.

1690
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 2: Have you got your penguin suit on tonight?

1691
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 23: I'm about to well, it's not a penguin suit. I'm

1692
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 23: not going full dinner suit, but I'm about to get

1693
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 23: into a suit as soon as I've finished this very

1694
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 23: high rating cross.

1695
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: You keep on flattering me, because that's what I need

1696
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: right now. Are you wearing a bow tie or just

1697
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:23,879
Speaker 2: a tie?

1698
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 23: No, I'm wearing neither. I'll be in the cheap seats,

1699
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 23: so it won't actually matter that much.

1700
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: Why aren't you nomination this evening? You're a dress up

1701
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 2: for the stuff.

1702
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 23: Oh well, I've been on the road for about five

1703
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 23: or six days and I've just run out of clothes,

1704
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 23: to be honest, And you know when you go to

1705
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 23: iron your shirt and a hotel and someone sort of

1706
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 23: little the iron with thirty water and I'm thinking, please

1707
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 23: don't let a spot go on my white shirt for

1708
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 23: the night. And then I thought I had a spot,

1709
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 23: but I just kept dieroning it till it mouthed away.

1710
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 23: There I'll be wearing a nice white shirt.

1711
01:19:58,920 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So what are you?

1712
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 23: Normally Outstanding Contribution to New Zealand Primary Industries Award. But

1713
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 23: it's a longevity thing either. It's a bit like a

1714
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 23: gong if you hang around for long enough, say get

1715
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 23: you there. But to be honest with you, possibly I'll

1716
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 23: probably be a distant third. I hope Julian Rain wins.

1717
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 23: He's the former president of Federated Farmers, a guy who's

1718
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 23: been a real entrepreneur, and not only dairy but horticulture.

1719
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 23: One of the instigators of the y Mare Dam. I'd

1720
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 23: love him to win, but I suspect that the winner

1721
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 23: will be Evangeli Vitalis. He's the guy who helps negotiate

1722
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 23: the free trade agreements with the UK and the EU.

1723
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 23: And one of the numbers that got thrown at us

1724
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 23: today was how much your average key we fruit are

1725
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 23: grower is benefiting from that free trade agreement with the

1726
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 23: EU because the keyw fruit season is snuck in there

1727
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 23: just in time. Sixteen thousand dollars per grower in New Zealand,

1728
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 23: so it's a sizable benefit to the country. I think

1729
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 23: he'll be the one of it. There are awards also

1730
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 23: for Science and Research, Emerging Leader, Team and Collaboration, Primary Industries,

1731
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 23: Champion Technology Awards and a Guardian and Conservation Awards and

1732
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 23: Rural Hero. So what's that about six or seven awards. Yeah,

1733
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 23: it's a good night out for the who's who of

1734
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 23: the primary industries and Heather, I'll tell you what. I've

1735
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 23: all been here today or they will be there tomorrow.

1736
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 23: Like today we've had Todd McLay ray Smith from MPI,

1737
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 23: Wayne Langford, president of Federated Farmers, Joe Luxton, Labour's a spokesperson,

1738
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 23: Miles Hurrell, Dan Bolton from silver Fern Farms. Tomorrow the

1739
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 23: Prime Minister Chris lux And kicks it off. We've got

1740
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 23: Vangeli Vitalis speaking and Special Trade and boy Hamish Maher

1741
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 23: talking about India that politicians are here all over the place.

1742
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 23: Andrew Hoggart from Act, Mark Patterson from New Zealand. First, No,

1743
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,440
Speaker 23: Damien O'Connor, interestingly, and I didn't spot a green anywhere.

1744
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Damien might have might have realized is

1745
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: not a lot of love for him at the moment.

1746
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 2: Jamie Beast of Luck, I hope you win it. As

1747
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country. Here the what a

1748
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: load of rubbish. Construction prices and wages would have to

1749
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: go backwards for houses to drop in price. MB has

1750
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 2: also raised building standards like thermal breaks and windows.

1751
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 5: Here.

1752
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 2: The house prices are falling. Their started to fall in

1753
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: early April. Ass anyone at the cold face they will

1754
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: tell you hither. I totally disagree with Brad. House prices

1755
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: will not drop Dreamland here. The building and labor costs

1756
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: can't fall sixteen percent, so it's not possible for new

1757
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 2: house prices to drop that much. Fair point. I mean

1758
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: it depends on how much of it has built into

1759
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 2: the price. Right, it wasn't There wasn't much in the

1760
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one prize was pretty frothy. So it could

1761
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 2: come back. But maybe we've reached I don't know, have

1762
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: we reached that point where labor costs have to come back?

1763
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: Headline's next, then Rubbobank, whether.

1764
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 3: It's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all on

1765
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 3: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

1766
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: Allen and my HR, the HR platform.

1767
01:22:53,680 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 3: For SME US talks by.

1768
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: Brady's going to be a US and ten minutes out

1769
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: as a UK crowing again, crowing that the Tories are

1770
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: going to be out. He's only got another like what's

1771
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: the it's Tuesday morning over there, A he's only got

1772
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: another three full days of the Tories and then you

1773
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: can breathe a big sigh of relief. You remember that

1774
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: gold gold mining company we spoke to yesterday at about

1775
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: quarter past five. This is the one that has got

1776
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: the massive goldfine near Cromwell on Bendigo Station, privately on

1777
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 2: Bendigo Station. Sentanamnerals just applied to list on the n

1778
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: z X because they're already on the AX. So they're

1779
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: going through the you know, the foreign exempt listing process

1780
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and if they get everything needed then

1781
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 2: they have a listening date, which they're targeting at the

1782
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: moment of twenty four July, so that's three weeks from now.

1783
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 2: So yesterday I was trying to find a way in

1784
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: into the company. I was like, are eating a capital raise?

1785
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: What are you doing? I want I want to get me,

1786
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 2: get me some gold. This is not this is not

1787
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 2: financial advice for literally anyone is. My last financial advice

1788
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: to my health was to buy shares and sky TV.

1789
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 2: And now look, so don't listen to me, like, don't

1790
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: listen to me, but my way I'm going to be rich.

1791
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: Hither I've been doing a bit of pop property, pawn grazing,

1792
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: gazing rather after a holiday in Central otago Oh, how

1793
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,799
Speaker 2: good possible retirement option. How about that weather in Central

1794
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: Otago a and the gold. I was just notified today

1795
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 2: that one on my watch list has dropped by twenty

1796
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. This is in the seven hundred thousand

1797
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: dollars range. That's a significant drop For that one swallow

1798
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: does not make a summer. But maybe I should keep

1799
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 2: an eye out for more properties dropping in price, Karen,

1800
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,879
Speaker 2: why not hither? Absolutely, the prices for kitchens and bathrooms

1801
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: and wardrobes are dropping at the moment already on their

1802
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 2: decrease to get the job done, so the prices of

1803
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 2: houses and building them will now come down as well.

1804
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: That's from Carrie, thank you very much. Twenty two away from.

1805
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 3: Seven News Talk said be now.

1806
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: Rabobank is warning farmers not to take their foot off

1807
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 2: the gas pedal when it comes to cutting down on

1808
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 2: their carbon emissions. The new coalition government has stopped agriculture

1809
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 2: from going into the ets scrabbed scrapped here Woka Echonoa

1810
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 2: as well. But according to the new Rubberbank white paper

1811
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 2: that was released today, this is just a breather and

1812
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: the agricultural sector still needs to focus on improving its

1813
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 2: omissions efficiently. Todd charteris is Rubbobank New Zealand CEO and

1814
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: with us now, hey Todd here, how are you well?

1815
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 2: Thank you? So just to breather because the market pressures

1816
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: still exist.

1817
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think some of the changes

1818
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,799
Speaker 21: certainly by this new government have been well received, certainly

1819
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 21: by farmers and growers, and that's great, but I think

1820
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 21: the voices from our customers offshore remain the same, and

1821
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 21: so I think we need to maintain that position and

1822
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 21: keep moving forward like our farmers have been doing for

1823
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 21: a long time. So let's just keep staying at the

1824
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 21: top of the key, so to speak.

1825
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 2: How much of the pressures that are still existing are

1826
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: regulations and governments and trade agreements and politicians rather than

1827
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: actual consumers.

1828
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 21: Yeah, look, I think that's a good question. I mean,

1829
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 21: certainly the customers, which you know, when I talk about customers,

1830
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 21: we're talking about our large retail companies offshore at large

1831
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 21: food companies, and so the pressure is coming from men.

1832
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,759
Speaker 21: They've all made commit minister scope through reductions, so that's

1833
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 21: where a lot of it's coming from. But it's also

1834
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 21: baked in, as you say, to some of our trade agreements,

1835
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,839
Speaker 21: and we need to be aware of that and understand

1836
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 21: what the implications of that are if we can't meet that.

1837
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 21: So we just need to keep the progress going. I

1838
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 21: think the good thing as industry has the opportunity to

1839
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 21: determine what that looks like, and I think that's encouraging.

1840
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: Ye are the pressures, like what exactly are we talking about?

1841
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: Are we talking about pressure to be the most efficient

1842
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 2: or in the world, or are we talking about pressure

1843
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: to bring down emissions from where they are now or

1844
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: to meet the Powers agreement or what?

1845
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 21: Well, I think it's a commodation. I mean, I think

1846
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 21: the challenge globally is to produce more food using less

1847
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 21: natural resources. And so if New Zealand can maintain this

1848
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 21: position that sort of world renowned is one of them

1849
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 21: more efficient, if not the efficient food producer, then I

1850
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 21: think if we can continue to maintain that position, that's

1851
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 21: positive us in those export markets to maintain market access

1852
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 21: and essentially be the front of the queue when we're

1853
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 21: selling our projects to the world.

1854
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: We are the front of the queue, aren't we. I

1855
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: Mean the only thing that risks us not being the

1856
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: front of the queue at the moment is that there's

1857
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 2: technologies like I don't know, hey, that you lay out

1858
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 2: in a barn, which we wouldn't really use because we

1859
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: don't really barn feed, and we might get bumped off

1860
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: the perch by technology. Right, that's the risk that we face.

1861
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 21: Oh, look, I think there's technologies that are evoked, Well,

1862
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 21: I know there's technologies that are available in other markets,

1863
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 21: but we can have to take complacent and we need

1864
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 21: to continue to invest in research and development which is

1865
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 21: going on. We need to continue to innovate in history,

1866
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 21: sharn that their farmers and growers are fantastic at that

1867
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 21: in as industry, we just need to support it and

1868
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 21: keep moving it forward regardless of local regulation.

1869
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 2: Do you reckon the methane reviews a good idea?

1870
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 21: Well, look, I think it is because it will bring

1871
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 21: certainty and remove some of the discussion and noise. I

1872
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 21: think so bring certainty to that is positive and then

1873
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 21: we can move forward on whatever that outcome is.

1874
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Are you at the Primary Industry Awards tonight?

1875
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 20: I am.

1876
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 21: I'm about to attend that. So that's been a busy

1877
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 21: day here and looking forward to the awards. It was

1878
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 21: great to celebrate great people out there in the marketplace.

1879
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 21: Deal thinks, what.

1880
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 2: Are you wearing? Because Jamie mckaye was just on before

1881
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: he's not wearing a bow tie or a tie. He's

1882
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 2: going like open neck. Are you doing that?

1883
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 21: I'm going with a tie, but it's not a bow tie.

1884
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Can you do me a favor and go to

1885
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 2: Jamie McKay and tell him he's a disgrace for not

1886
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 2: even trying.

1887
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 21: Oh look, I'll pass some comments on here that I'm

1888
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 21: not sure I'll call them a disgrace.

1889
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: Use your own words, Todd. I mean, feel free to

1890
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: make it like expletive, lad, and if you want to.

1891
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 21: I'll have a quiet word to him on your behalf.

1892
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Good on you, Todd, Thank you very much,

1893
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 2: Todd Charter. It's Rabbo Bank New Zealand CEO. I mean,

1894
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,759
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you take the opportunity to swear it, Jamie

1895
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: McKay when no one's listening. I would listen on the

1896
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 2: on the Cookstraight sailings. We talked about this yesterday because

1897
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: inter Island has canceled all the sailings from tonight, like

1898
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: I think they're last will be in a couple of

1899
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 2: hours or something like that, or maybe that's the one

1900
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,680
Speaker 2: that's canceled. Who knows. Whatever, You're lucky to find an

1901
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: entireland ferry running at the moment. An't yet anyway, So anyway,

1902
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: they've decided to cancel them from tonight all the way

1903
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: through to Thursday morning. And I said Blue Bridge hadn't

1904
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 2: blue Bridge now has, but not nearly as many. They've

1905
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 2: only remembered into Irelander basically a day and a half

1906
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, all of Wednesday to Thursday morning, blue Bridge

1907
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 2: is only canceling two, which is the seven forty five

1908
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 2: tomorrow in the morning, seven forty five sailing to Wellington

1909
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 2: and then the eight fifteen sailing to depict Us. So

1910
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see how that goes, because it's got

1911
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if they keep it at that, then you

1912
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: have to go like, what are you doing in te

1913
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 2: Island And are you just like turning away business now

1914
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 2: because you're just so rich? Is that what's up? Another

1915
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: case of bad turbulence. I'm going to tell you all

1916
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 2: the cases are bad turbulence that come in so I

1917
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: just freak you out so you never want to get

1918
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 2: on a long haul flight again. But I have there's

1919
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: reason for that, which is that my German producer likes

1920
01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: to go back to Germany all the time, and then

1921
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: she disappears like seven months. She's like got to make

1922
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: the holiday work, so off she goes. So I am

1923
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: basically just trying to freak her out so she never

1924
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 2: gets on a plane to Germany again. Then we've got

1925
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: her all the time, which is brilliance what we want.

1926
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 2: Air Europa between Madrid and Uruguay on Sunday, just hours

1927
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: before the flight was expected to reach its destination, it

1928
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,799
Speaker 2: was shaken so badly by turbulence it had to divert

1929
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Speaker 2: off to Brazil, a place called Natal. Who even knew

1930
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Speaker 2: that existed? Two places called Natal in the world, one

1931
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Speaker 2: Brazil and one in South Africa. Up to thirty people

1932
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Speaker 2: were hurt. The best bit about it, if you could

1933
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Speaker 2: take a beast bit out of this, is that there's

1934
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Speaker 2: a video from the plane which shows that a guy

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Speaker 2: has been thrown up into the air and then has

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Speaker 2: managed to lodge himself in the overhead lockers. But I

1937
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Speaker 2: don't quite know how. He must have gone up and sideways,

1938
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Speaker 2: but it's the overhead. When you're an economy, you know,

1939
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Speaker 2: you've got the overhead lockers down the middle. The seats

1940
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Speaker 2: down the middle that either side have an aisle and

1941
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Speaker 2: you can open those lockers from either side. He has

1942
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Speaker 2: gone sideways into that and he's like in there across anyway.

1943
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Speaker 2: You know he's in there because his feet are dangling out.

1944
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Speaker 2: There's literally the only bit of him and it's just

1945
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Speaker 2: like kicking his little feet up there anyway. I don't

1946
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Speaker 2: know if he's badly hurt or what, but there's some

1947
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Speaker 2: more bad turbulence. So put your seat belt on or

1948
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Speaker 2: don't get on the plane sixteen away from seven.

1949
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Speaker 1: Everything from SME to the Big Corporates, the Business Hour

1950
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Speaker 1: with Heather dupleic Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

1951
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 1: for SME, US Talk ZB.

1952
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Speaker 2: And the Brady's at UK corresponding.

1953
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Speaker 1: Hey da.

1954
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Speaker 2: Are you there?

1955
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Speaker 20: I am that ol Heather?

1956
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Speaker 2: How are you stuffed it up? I stuffed it up? Inda?

1957
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 2: What don't you make a kostama saying he's not gonna

1958
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 2: work past six o'clock on Friday evenings because he wants

1959
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: to spend time with his family. That's not realistic for

1960
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Speaker 2: the prime minister.

1961
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Speaker 7: Is it?

1962
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 6: Probably not? But you know what had sparked the conversation

1963
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 6: about switching off for a bit at some stage in

1964
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 6: the week, and a lot of people are saying that

1965
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 6: the Prime Minister should never switch off. Of course Sunak

1966
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 6: has come straight out and said that he's never ever

1967
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 6: not worked Part six. You know that he's always worked,

1968
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 6: I should say past six and that being prime minister

1969
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 6: means that you have to do these things. But Starmer's adamant.

1970
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Speaker 6: He says that Friday evening is always family time with

1971
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 6: his children and he won't be working past six pm.

1972
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 6: So I guess it's maybe focusing attitudes on how hard

1973
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 6: we work. And there's a lot of people are debating

1974
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 6: going back to the office and companies are putting the

1975
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 6: squeeze on. Starmer's just putting his hand up, I think,

1976
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Speaker 6: and being quite refreshingly honest with people.

1977
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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps so. But all it's going to take is

1978
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: a couple of crises that happen on a Friday, or

1979
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: an event that he refuses to go to, and he

1980
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 2: will change his mind, won't he.

1981
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1982
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Look, when you're a prime minister. I don't think

1983
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 6: Blair ever stopped. Blair what was he in charge for

1984
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 6: eleven years here? I would say Friday nights Blair was

1985
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 6: thinking if he wasn't doing something, he was thinking about

1986
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Speaker 6: doing something. That was how driven he was. Starmer's just

1987
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 6: coming in with a fresh attitude. But look, there's two

1988
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Speaker 6: days still to go here, all to play for.

1989
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Speaker 2: I know, are you just so excited to get rid

1990
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Speaker 2: of the Tories?

1991
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Speaker 6: I'm excited to kind of see it done. I think

1992
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 6: six weeks is too long. I think we've seen the

1993
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 6: same topics debated endlessly, the same man getting so much

1994
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 6: attention Nigel Faraj I'm talking about. I'm excited to see

1995
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Speaker 6: it over and done with and a result in. And

1996
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Speaker 6: I find this absolutely jaw dropping that Brexit has not

1997
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 6: been discussed once in the last six weeks by anybody.

1998
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Speaker 6: It was described to me the other day as a

1999
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Speaker 6: very brill from a very brilliant political editor. He said

2000
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Speaker 6: to me, it's the smelly elephant.

2001
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Speaker 2: In the room. Quite a good saying. Why is that

2002
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 2: a pickmem in trouble?

2003
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Speaker 6: So he hasn't done anything wrong, but it doesn't look

2004
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 6: good In Norway. He has been salmon fishing, and the pictures,

2005
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 6: to be honest, it looks like he could be in

2006
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 6: the South Island of New Zealand looks absolutely beautiful. You've

2007
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 6: got mountains, you've got crystal clear waters and a guy

2008
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 6: sitting on a rock fly fishing with a rod, which

2009
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,240
Speaker 6: is clearly David Beckham. Now the pictures have gone all

2010
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 6: over the Norwegian media. Why is it making a store

2011
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,440
Speaker 6: man out fishing with a rod? Turns out that Norwegian

2012
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 6: Atlantic salmon catches have been down thirty percent in the

2013
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 6: last couple of years. There are very serious concerns about

2014
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 6: the stock levels in the River lair Dal in southwestern Norway.

2015
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 6: They call it the Queen of the Rivers because the

2016
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 6: Norwegian royal family fish there. Believe it or not. The

2017
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 6: King and Queen go fishing and they've put a ban

2018
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Speaker 6: on Norwegians fishing with rods in that river to protect

2019
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Speaker 6: the stocks. And suddenly a lister Beckham turns up and

2020
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 6: he's allowed to do what he wants, and apparently he

2021
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 6: was helicoptered in and out. So a lot of locals

2022
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 6: disgruntle that it seems to be one room for the

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01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 6: rich and famous and the rest of them can just

2024
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Speaker 6: go to the river but just not fish anything in it.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I can see where I can see why people

2026
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 2: are upset about this. Now you're going to go to

2027
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Clarkson's pub.

2028
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, so he's not that far from me. We're in Oxfordshire.

2029
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Speaker 6: He has spent two million NZ dollars buying the windmill

2030
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Speaker 6: in Burford. Burford is the last little town on the

2031
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Speaker 6: fringes of Oxfordshire in the west of the county before

2032
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:09,799
Speaker 6: you go into properly into Cotswold Territory in Gloucestershire. It's

2033
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 6: very pretty over there. It's run down, it needs renovation,

2034
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 6: it needs a lot of work. And he says that

2035
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 6: the plan is to be opened by Christmas, and he

2036
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 6: wants to serve his own larger which he brews from

2037
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 6: the wheat and barely off the farm, Clarkson's farm, and

2038
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 6: he's going to have that on taps behind the bar,

2039
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 6: and then he wants to serve simple English food like

2040
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,839
Speaker 6: gammon egg and chips, hand megic legg and chips, shepherd's pies,

2041
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 6: and there will be a free beer for every local

2042
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Speaker 6: farmer who goes in. So he's very adamant about that,

2043
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 6: and I think, you know, part of it, I think

2044
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 6: as well as content creation. Maybe he's covered every inch

2045
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 6: of ground in terms of filming agricultural stuff, but this

2046
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 6: one I can see echoes of faulty towers in this

2047
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 6: next season when it's Clarkson's pub.

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Speaker 2: I love this very much, Inda, thank you very much

2049
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 2: looking after yourself. Into Brady UK correspond We'll be talking

2050
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: to Inda on election day. So fizzling for that EPs

2051
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 2: everybody right now, eight away from seven whether.

2052
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: It's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all on

2053
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR.

2054
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: The HR platform for SME used talks b.

2055
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 2: Heither the UK Prime Minister electe Will will shortly to

2056
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 2: be Prime Minister potentially going home at six o'clock on

2057
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,560
Speaker 2: a Friday is absolutely nonsense. But seriously, we need to

2058
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: change the hours that MP's work to attract better people

2059
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 2: to be our politicians. And MP's hours should be eight

2060
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 2: to five like everyone else, with occasional extra hours when needed.

2061
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 2: That's the biggest load of bs I've ever heard, because

2062
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 2: those guys, I mean honestly eight to five. Half of those,

2063
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 2: like the backbenches, pretty much do nothing all the time.

2064
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 2: Lots of those opposite opposition guys like the Marty Party

2065
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 2: and the Green Party, they won't be doing very much

2066
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 2: at all. They'll just be like especially if they list

2067
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 2: MPs floating around just doing nothing. Marty Party at least

2068
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 2: has got some electorates to do, but most of them

2069
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 2: just float around doing nothing. Actually, then then there's a

2070
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 2: core who just do all of the work and they

2071
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 2: work incredibly long hours. The least we can ask of

2072
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 2: those back benches who are doing bloody nothing is to

2073
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 2: sit in the house until ten o'clock at night. I'm

2074
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 2: not going to restrict that. I would never advocate for

2075
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: restricting their hours. And I don't even think then, I mean,

2076
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that you're going to get a better

2077
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: quality worker if the hours are restricted. It's not going

2078
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: to make people love the idea more, probably less. It's

2079
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: going to look like more of a cozy job for

2080
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 2: people who've got nothing better to do, Like they'll go, oh,

2081
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 2: what shall I do with my life? I could go

2082
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: for local government, or I could go for central government,

2083
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 2: or I could I don't know, run a charity. No,

2084
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 2: you don't want them, Hunter Biden. Now, Hunter Biden, I

2085
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: would have thought, like, mate, do everything you can to

2086
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: not attract any attention at the moment, because your family

2087
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 2: just looks ridiculous. No, no, Hunter Biden has decided to

2088
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 2: do some more stuff. So he is now suing Fox

2089
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 2: News because Fox News a couple of years ago to

2090
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 2: a six part mini series on him and they basically

2091
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,799
Speaker 2: like imagined what would happen if he had a trial.

2092
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 2: So it's a mock trial. It's a faux trial. It's

2093
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 2: not real and they prosecuted him in this for charges

2094
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 2: like violating bribery and foreign agent laws, charges he's never

2095
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 2: faced in real life. He is not suing them for defamation.

2096
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 2: He is suing them for unjust en Richmond, intentional infliction

2097
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 2: of emotional distress, illegal publication of his intimate images, and

2098
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 2: a violation of New York's revenge porn law, which just

2099
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: makes me want to watch this now because what am

2100
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 2: I going to see his?

2101
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 13: Is that?

2102
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Speaker 3: What's up?

2103
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: Anyway? He filed it in a New York court on Sunday.

2104
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 2: It's just broken today. It's going to get news and

2105
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 2: it's just going to make Hunter Biden part of his

2106
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 2: dad's campaign again, as if his dad hasn't got enough problems.

2107
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 12: And it's the Shortland Street theme song to play us

2108
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 12: out tonight, Heather, because like Paul Goldsmith was telling us before,

2109
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 12: he's given it a lease on life, and he didn't

2110
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 12: really make it clear whether he's a fan of the show.

2111
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 12: He was very ambiguous on that, very professional, but yeah,

2112
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 12: possibly a new lease on life from the new I

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Speaker 12: missed a track.

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01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:45,759
Speaker 2: I should have asked him if he was into maths.

2115
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Speaker 12: Well, I was trying to hint that really subtly at

2116
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 12: the start of the show. But I appreciate where.

2117
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you should have while he was in

2118
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Speaker 2: what because you can talk to me in my head

2119
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 2: nobody else to hear it. You should have been like,

2120
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Speaker 2: ask him about maths.

2121
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 12: So yeah, this is what the people want to know.

2122
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 3: What we're looking like.

2123
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Speaker 2: Who's your favorite groom?

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Speaker 12: Mind you? We have to save some material for the

2125
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Speaker 12: next time weim on the show.

2126
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, because he comes on basically the day at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Thank you literally for the last two days

2128
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: as thank you. Great tune. Let's listen to it because

2129
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,679
Speaker 2: it might not hear it for long and see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: New s zv

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Speaker 1: It'sh for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live

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