1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Kiota. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. For 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: weeks now, headlines have been peppered with Tapati Maori's in fighting. 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: The crescendo came when the party's National Council opted to 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: expel MPs Maria Meno, Kapakingi and Takata Feris from parliament. 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: Both have called the move unconstitutional. They all said as 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: independence in the beehive for now. But what's led to 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: this very public spat and what's next for the party 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: ahead of election twenty twenty six. Today on the Front Page, 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: University of Auckland professor Jason Meeker is with us to discuss. 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: First off, Jason, let's take a look back. Can you 12 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: tell me how we got here? 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: I guess it seems to be that there there is 14 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: certainly some disagreement, that some serious disagreement that's occurred within 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: the party, Marty, that has to do with people's behavior, 16 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: people's points of view or personality, differences in the way 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: in which people have conducted themselves. That has not been 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: to the satisfaction of the party. 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: Marti. 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: And it's rule book, it's Constitution and so you know, 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: the de Party Marty has gone through a process, took 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: on a mary process of having accordial and consulting with 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: constituents and members and communities about Okay, what are the 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: nature of the concerns and how best can we deal 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: with them? And they've receed the conclusion for this point 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: at this point at least anyway. 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Yes, So both MP's have called their expulsions unconstitutional and 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: are planning to challenge it. Do you reckon they've got 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: any grounds? 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: We will see, because what I can, what I observe 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: is that the real muckle, the real essence of the 32 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: problem is not really clear and in terms of, uh, 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: you know, which part of the Constitution has been not 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: been complied with and adhered to and what kind of 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: evidences they're available to support that. You know that that's 36 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: really sort of an internal matter and process which the 37 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Party of Marty have sort of followed through on. 38 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: And so. 39 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: The thing about rules is that they can be challenged. 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's always the possibility that we can 41 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: go back and sort of say, well, yep, now we 42 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: can contest evidence, we can contest rules, and that's the 43 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: nature of constitution. So we'll certainly see what comes through 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: with how far they want to take it, you know, 45 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: whether it's not there's there's an internal process or an 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: external process. 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: And the fact that the situation kind of does remain 48 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: a bit unclear, do you reckon that is a failing 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: of leadership or do you think that it's just just 50 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: that unclear? 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: It's it's certainly just I mean, they followed the process 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: according to what the process ses they should do, which 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: is to come on Marti, processes of cording or warning 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: of of trying to get to the you know, the 55 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: knuck of the and so they followed that process, but 56 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: also followed what the two partsy Marty believes to be 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: the constitutional process that they adhere to as a as 58 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: a political party. And so I guess the difficulty is 59 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: that there's a there's a public sort of sharing of 60 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: what's going on, which is you know, social media, the 61 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: media and within around kitchen tables, around the countryside, we're 62 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: all talking about it. So there's that sort of public side, 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: but there's also that private side of what's going on 64 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: for these particular members. And also they're far no and 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: the processes of of of how these you know, these 66 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: discussions of a kid. There's that's the stuff that we 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: won't necessarily see. 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: So there's there's. 69 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: Both going on and so I mean from that point 70 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: of view, it's very you know, intriguing but also sort 71 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: of challenging and tough for us to sort of what's 72 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: what's going on there? 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that level of transparency. I can see 74 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: that they want to be transparent, but like you said, 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: there's obviously stuff happening behind closed doors. Do you reckon 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: it has helped or hindered them coming out and maybe 77 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: airing a little bit of the dirty laundry, but not 78 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: all of it. 79 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on which side of the sort of 80 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: the feature sort of sitting on there. 81 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: If you if you're a. 82 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: Person there who's been sort of ousted from the party 83 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: so to speak, then you know, has that helped them 84 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: in terms of you know, where they're situated at the 85 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: moment and in terms of to party Maori, it's prospects, 86 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: its position and it's it's status in parliament. You know, 87 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: we'll start to see the impact of what's played out 88 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: over the last few months over the next few months. 89 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Tell me about the walker jumping legislation and could it 90 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: in fact apply here. 91 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's you know, that's a mechanism in 92 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: place to allow parties to ensure that there is representation 93 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: for parties who were voted into parliament by the voters. 94 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: And so it's a really tricky. 95 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: So the mechanism is available and and it'll be up 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: to to Party Mary to activate that that mechanism. But 97 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: the issue for me is we've got constituents who voted 98 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: in these members to represent them in parliament, and are 99 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: we saying we're actually you know, we're we're we're taking 100 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: away that that representation from those constituents through the through 101 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: this decision that's been made about about those those members. 102 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: And so. 103 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: You know, that's the difficulty of the worker jumping mechanism 104 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: is that, you know, is it for the Maori Party 105 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: to Party Mali to decide or who you know, you 106 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: know that that those those members are no longer going 107 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: to represent them in parliament, that's basically what they're decided. 108 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: And the walker jumping mechanism really takes that to the 109 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: full extent to saying well, no, we need new representation 110 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: and we need the people to be able to to 111 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: make that decision about who represents them in Parliament. So 112 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: they've separated out there lecture from the party and and 113 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: that's really the sort of major consideration. 114 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: This decision was not taken lightly. Many hope the end 115 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: would be reconciliation. It could not be achieved. We acknowledge 116 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: the mummi our people have felt, and we think our 117 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: National Council for upholding our color and the best interests 118 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: of our movement throughout this internal matter should never have 119 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: played out in public. There's been an unnecessary distraction at 120 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: a dark time for our country as this government continues 121 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 4: its relentless attacks on our people. 122 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Is there anything stopping the pair of them just joining 123 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: up and creating another Maulti lad party in parliament. 124 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: It depends on whether or not the waka jumping mechanism 125 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: is activated. So if it's not, then you know, I 126 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: guess then that they would be free to you to 127 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: form another political party to gathernize the sort of particular 128 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: interest and priorities in parliament. 129 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: And what do you reckon the chances of that are happening? 130 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: Well, who knows? 131 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: They? You know, I mean, because if the parts in 132 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: Mary really sort of wants to ensure that the parts 133 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: in Marty representatives coming from those particular constituents that are 134 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: affected by the austinc then then it's really up to them. 135 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: So it's in there, you know, it's the equal And 136 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: in the meantime we have two new independent Mary and 137 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: Peace in Parliament and they as independence they're free to 138 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: sort of work out how they wish to organize themselves 139 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 2: in Parliament, either as a political party, a movement or 140 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: as independence. 141 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: So the Walker jumping legislation not only covers Walker jumping 142 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: to another established party, but it could in fact being 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you were to start a new party 144 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: for instance, it does apply there as well. 145 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I haven't taken a look at the 146 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: legislation for a while, but you know, that's that's something 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: for the Party Marty to work through. 148 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Do you reckon the expulsions, I thought, because they had 149 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: a few options on the table, right and expelling them, 150 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: do you reckon? It's kind of like a damned if 151 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: you do, damned if you don't situation. If they were 152 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: suspended for a couple of weeks, people would be asking 153 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: why didn't you expel them. Now they're expelled, people are 154 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: asking why didn't you look at the other two options, 155 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 156 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they considered all the options and for 157 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: to Party Marty that that was the option that they 158 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: thought was going to be the right one for the 159 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: Party Marty. But certainly, you know, the voters will have 160 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: to say at some point about whether or not that 161 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: was the right call. 162 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of voting, we're not too far away from 163 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: election twenty twenty six. Do you reckon this saga? I 164 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: suppose has hurt to Batti Maori. 165 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, time will tell. 166 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, with Napiki men Nahiki, you know 167 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: the ups and downs of parliament. You know, it's really 168 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: it's really up to to Party Marty to solidify and 169 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: consolidate their position and to ensure that they remain an 170 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: effective voice in parliament for the al Mardi, for the 171 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: nation in respect of the issues that they care about, 172 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 2: and certainly for the independence you know, the new independent 173 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Mary and Peace to do the same. And then it 174 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: really is down to the voters to make their equal What. 175 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: Do you reckon, I'll give them the best shot at 176 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: galvanizing after this huge saga. 177 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: I would say, really, when things get really tough and difficult, 178 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: there's no substitute for cordle for war, for for for 179 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: calling a who to talk things through? 180 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: And I know that who have been held with the 181 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: which cheers. 182 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: And and with others, with constituents, with feigner, with communities, 183 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: and I think that who you know is still needed 184 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: to to talk things through until there is some agreement 185 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: about what is the best way forward and how do 186 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: we move forward so cordial, you know, no substitute for 187 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: cordonal and war and who to work out our way forward? 188 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: How do you reckon? This is reflected on Debiyarto with 189 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: Paka and t t. 190 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: It's a tough day at the office for sure for 191 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: leaders of departy in MARII to you know, to to 192 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: basically negotiate both the private and the public, uh you know, 193 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: sort of interest and and and the the process that 194 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: they've had to manage them had to manage both sides 195 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: of that process. And so it's it's clearly been tough 196 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: for them as leaders. And they're not the only political 197 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: leaders to go through that sort of process. You know, 198 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: all of the political parties National Party, New Zealand First 199 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: and Act have been in tough situations themselves in the past, 200 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: involving you know, the loss of members and. 201 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: Have fad to deal with it. So that is nature 202 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: of leadership in parliament. 203 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, spending an incredibly tumultuous time for to Party Mali, 204 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: especially after the support that you know, the country really 205 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: showed them in twenty twenty three and also some really 206 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: good poll results as well to Parti Mali. Do you 207 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: think that they will get back to the five percent 208 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: or above the five percent threshold before the next election. 209 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: That's really the challenge facing the leadership right now is 210 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: really how to rebuild that confidence, that faith that the 211 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: constituents have shown the Party Maori in the last election. 212 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: Is really to focus on rebuilding that connection with what 213 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: voters saw in the Party Maori to have, you know, 214 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: to have that result come through. 215 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Is it disappointing that this kind of staff and this 216 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: saga and making the headlines does detract from the party's 217 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: main purpose and that's to bring forward Maori and voice 218 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Malti concerns in parliament. 219 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: Certainly does divert attention and energy to sorting out disagreements. 220 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: But it's really difficult to conduct business when you're when 221 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: you're really sort of deep in a sort of a disagreement. 222 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 3: And I guess with. 223 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: The expulsion of the two Money and Peace from the 224 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: party malis is that I guess the leadership we're hoping that, 225 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: you know, manners would be resolved, but as we're seeing, no, 226 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: they're not. 227 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: They're sort of maybe even their hoting gup. 228 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: What's next in the timeline of this When should we 229 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: see an ultimate conclusion? 230 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: Do you think next election? Is my guess? 231 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeap, So it'd taken to then to just really really 232 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: see where the battle lines are drawn, I think so. 233 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I mean if if, if, if the two newly independent 234 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 2: MP's stay in Parliament is Independent Mpeace. 235 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: There will be their time to work out or how 236 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: best the may. 237 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: Sort of continue to be represented as for their constituents 238 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: in Parliament going forward, and similarly for the party Malia 239 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: is to work out, well, how can they reconnect with 240 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: con stituents from those affected regions and voters to sort 241 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: of reconnect really and reaffirm their ability to represent those 242 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: voters in those places at the same level. And it'll 243 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: be really, it'll be all on come the next selection. 244 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Jason. 245 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: Welcome Kelder. 246 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 247 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 248 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: at NSID Herald dot co dot nz. The Front Page 249 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: is produced by Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who was 250 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: also our editor. I'm Chelsea Daniels. Subscribe to the Front 251 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: Page on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcasts, and 252 00:15:49,960 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: tune in on Monday for another look behind the headlines.