1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: And former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson reckons he would 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: not have lost to Labour's Keir Starmer. His own party 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: booted him out, of course, in favor of Liz trust 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: and then Reshi Sunak. But Boris Johnson told Kerry Woodham 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: this morning he won't take any of the blame. 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: Gone on and done some of the things that we 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: decided we were going to do together, some of the reforms, 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: some of the tax cutting as we got to the 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: end of the parliament, some of the free market stuff 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: we were going to do. With Brexit, I think we 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: would have wiped the floor with Starmer. 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: Senior political correspondent Barry Soper, It's just back from a 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: long lunch with Boris. 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Hi, Barry, how was it that afternoon, Jack? It was fascinating. 15 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: Actually he called Sekirs Starmer pol Pott, which I thought 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: was a bit tough. At the luncheon, this is wow. 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: And when I was sitting there looking at the several 18 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: hundred people packed into the cords that enormous room, paying 19 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: between five hundred and two thousand dollars a plate, I thought, 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: this is incredible. How a British prime minister who owned 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: he was the prime minister for a couple of years 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: was able to pull in such a very, very large 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 3: crowd as for a special I think the best line 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: actually came when Winston Peters spoke before him, and those 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: two are quite close. They both met as foreign ministers 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: in the past, and Winston Peters made note when he 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: was at the podium saying Boris. He said his impression 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: of Boris as that he is a man that's just 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: come out of the shower and used the towel as 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: his hair brush. And I think there was a pretty 31 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: good description on Boris's hair was all over the place, 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: and he kept fluffing it up during the speech. But 33 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 3: the speech went on for a long time, and to me, 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: it was sort of like a slow unravel of a 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 3: mowhir jersey. He never quite knew when the next stitch 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: was going to be undone that he dithered, dithered his way. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: I couldn't understand many of the things he was saying 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: because he was dithering so much, and it says speech pattern. 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, even though purely politically, I 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: was a bit disappointed because I probably expected more. I 41 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: wanted more stories and they no doubt in his book Unleashed, 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: but I wanted more stories about him himself. He talked 43 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: about the Ukraine, and of course he said that the 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: Germans and the French were weak on the Ukraine at 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: the start. And Boris, of course, his foreign minister, was 46 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: there several times. He talked about two days he was 47 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: before the Queen died. He was having his prime ministerial 48 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: audience with the Queen, and I think people really liked that, 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: and it was very reverential of the Queen, but you know, 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: the speech itself didn't really enlighten the crowd that much. 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: The interview afterwards was done by Paul Henry, and I 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: dare I say it lovely Kerry, who interviewed him here 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: in the studio this morning, had the same trouble that 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: Paul Henry had. Couldn't get a word in edgeways, you know, 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: And I thought, Paul Henry will be being paid for this, 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: So it was a very easy earn because he didn't 57 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: get a hell of a lot of questions. And the 58 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: laughter during the interview was the fact that Paul Henry 59 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: dear he was trying to interrupt Boris to move the 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: interview along, and it was quite funny, but it was 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: the interview that aspect of it I found the most informative, 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: because you know, he had calmed down from speaking. And 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: you've got to remember, this man is on the international 64 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: speaking circuit and the last figure that I looked that 65 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: in the two years he's been out of the Prime 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: Minister's job, he's earned a five million pound ten million 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: dollars since he's been on the circuit, So you can 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: imagine how much he made out of that speech at 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: the Cords this afternoon. 70 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: So did you get any sense from his presentation that 71 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: he's going to have another go at politics. 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: No, well you couldn't get a word in edge. I'll 73 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: tell you what though, Jack, I'm having lunch with them 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: tomorrow with a small group. Maybe after this oh my god, 75 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: my lunch and invitation will be canceled. But there's a 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: small group of us going to lunch with him tomorrow, 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 3: So hopefully, although it is Chathamhouse rules, but I'm sure 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: he will he'll be amenable if he is thinking of 79 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: running again to maybe dropping a hint. But look, he's 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: really entertaining character. I wouldn't have missed it for Quiz. 81 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: I think the best aspect of it for me was 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: the number of politicos that had Turner. John Key was there, 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: Jerry Brownlee was there, Coss Winston spoke. So it was 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: a great turnout of politicos. And you know, I'm a junkie, 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: so I really enjoyed that aspect. Dot. 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I hope you enjoy the rerun tomorrow as well. 87 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: I hope you get a word. 88 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: It sounds like great fun. We really appreciate you coming 89 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: in after that. Senior political correspondent, very sofa with us 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: this evening. 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 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