1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Meantime, the Prime Minister. He is to be found this 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: morning in London as he meets the King as well 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister's a kis Starmer. You'll visit our 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: training of the troops in Ukraine, of course, and travel 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: to Turkey for Zac Day, and Christopher Luxant is with us. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: A very good morning. Good morning, Mike, how are you today? 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Very well? Indeed, I know you can't tell us what 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: you talk about, but the King is well and healthy 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and it was a good meeting. 10 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it is actually a long standing convention. We 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: don't share those details those conversations, but suffice to say 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: he's always very interested in what's going on in New 13 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: Zealand and he's pretty informed about what's going on in 14 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: the world. And we actually just spent a bit of 15 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: time talking about Pope Francis, because obviously that news had 16 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 3: come through literally an hour or two before we met. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: So no, it was good to see him, and I've 18 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: met him a couple of times and he's always very engaged, 19 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 3: very interested in lots of issues, but certainly in New 20 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: Zealand as well. 21 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: Good when do you meet Sokia that's. 22 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: Tomorrow morning or evening your time and I'm looking forward 23 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: to that. He's given us a huge amount of time actually, 24 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: and we'll travel down together and actually meet both British 25 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: and America and New Zealand troops, also Ukraine troops. And 26 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: obviously I'm proud of the work that we've done there 27 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: because we've got a one hundred defense Force personnel that 28 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: we're actually extending out until the end of twenty twenty six, 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 3: working with the Brits and training I think we've trained 30 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: about fifty four thousand Ukrainian soldiers so far, and so 31 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: we want to I want to see our guys in 32 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: our troops and talk to them and also talk to 33 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: the Ukrainian soldiers that are being trained, and then we'll 34 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: come back to Downing Street and do our formal bilateral 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: at number ten, which will be good and it's a 36 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: good relationship, Mike, as you well know. So it's a 37 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: good chance to say, well, how do we deepen and 38 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: strengthen it further. 39 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Let me come back to that in the moment regards Ukraine. 40 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: So the announcement you made overnight, the extension to descender 41 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: twenty six, the thinking behind that is what the war 42 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: goes on until twenty six, What happened to the peace deal. 43 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I mean we're obviously following closely any 44 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: potential ceasefire negotiations. We certainly welcome, as I've said before, 45 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: any efforts around a just and lasting piece for the Ukraine. 46 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: But and we'll keep discussing options about whether we would 47 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: get involved in peacekeeping support once a conflict concludes. So 48 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: there's ongoing conversations. We clearly, as a small country with 49 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: limited resources a long way away, aren't going to be 50 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: the ones to end that war. Obviously, that's for you know, Europe, Ukraine, 51 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: US and Russia to work towards. But regardless, we stand 52 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: very strongly with our set of values, which we think 53 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: Ukraine embodies and Zelensky and bodies very very strongly. It's 54 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: important we play our part and stand up for those values. 55 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, as you'll be well aware, the Ukrainians 56 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: signed the so called minerals Deal, or part of the 57 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: minerals Deal at least, you know, to extend it out 58 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: to something more permanent on the ground, there is there 59 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: a peace deal to be had? Is there a war 60 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: to end here? 61 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: Is there? 62 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, what's your vibe? 63 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think my observation is that, you know, 64 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: it's up to you know, Russia really hasn't taken that 65 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: the avenues that have been laid out by the Americans 66 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 3: and also the Ukrainians, and you know, the pressures on 67 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: Russia really frankly, if they want to step up and 68 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: actually progress cease fire negotiations and conversations, the balls in 69 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: their court. And I think that's how certainly, you know, 70 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 3: how the European countries here feel about it. And again 71 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: we have a chance to talk about that again tomorrow 72 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: as well with Sakia Starmer. But yeah, there is a 73 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: you know, this is an illegal, unprovoked invasion from Russia. 74 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: They can choose to end it at any point in time. 75 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: Zelenski and my view as a hero, he's standing up 76 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: for values that we believe in as a small country 77 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 3: we identify with Ukraine. I'm proud of the support that 78 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: we've been able to offer. But ultimately we know we 79 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: want to you know, we're following closely and we welcome 80 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: any efforts to sort of get this war ended. 81 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: How much discussion with Sakira is going to be about 82 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: free trade tariffs the world as we. 83 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: Know it, I suspect, I mean it'll be more focused 84 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: on our bilateral relationship, and obviously the defense. 85 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: And security is a big part of that. 86 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: The Ukrainian peace we just talked about, but we're also 87 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: participating with the UK Carrier Strike Force in twenty twenty five, 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: which will come down through our part of the world. 89 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: We have other things like the five Power defense arrangements 90 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: which we have in Southeast Asia with the UK, and 91 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: obviously with our step up in defense spending, we want 92 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: to be into operable. But also there's areas of collaboration 93 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: around innovation. There's New Zealand companies that are actually providing 94 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: the British military with UAVs and stuff like that, which 95 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: is interesting. But I think the second but mic is 96 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: that actually trade and investments growing tremendously. 97 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: So our exports to the UK. 98 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: From New Zealand just in the last twelve months is 99 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: up twenty one percent. It's now our seventh largest trading 100 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: partner's about seven billion dollars. So there's lots of opportunities still, 101 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: We've got all the architecture we need. We just need 102 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: to keep pushing forward on it and keep pushing food 103 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: and beverage and tourism that obviously there's emerging sectors like 104 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: advanced aviation and renewables and tech as well. 105 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of upside because of all 106 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: the free trade deals we've signed of late. Maybe the 107 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: UA's good and it's got upside, but the British one 108 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: seems to be genuinely gold standard. 109 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: I think. 110 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: So I think it's a very good quality agreement, and 111 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of opportunity, and part of 112 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: it is just encouraging. You're now seeing, for example, a 113 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: lot of British firms and VA sting and renewables in 114 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: New Zealand, solar farms and things like that, and I 115 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of opportunity for and the fact 116 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: that our exporters are onto it right. I mean, our 117 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: exports are up twenty one percent in a year when 118 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: it's been pretty difficult trading around the world, you know, 119 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: pretty tariffs. You know, that's when it's been growing. So 120 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: you know, there's still lots of opportunity for US. 121 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of domestic issues. The Reserve Bank and 122 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: was mentioning this just before the news the twenty five 123 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: percent cut that Nicolas managed to at twenty five percent, 124 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: that reeks to me of waste. If you can slice 125 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: somebody by twenty five percent and they're still operating, somebody 126 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: was rolling around in money. 127 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, our view and opposition was there was a 128 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: lot of money being piled into the reserve back. 129 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: We also felt that they. 130 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: Had a very confused mandate. If you remember at the time, 131 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: one of the things we did in the first couple 132 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: of weeks was to just say you are one hundred 133 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: percent focused on lowering inflation. 134 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 2: That is your job. 135 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: You are not there to do any other stuff beyond that. 136 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: That is your primary responsibility. And I think that helped. 137 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: I think, you know, get moving what was called the 138 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: dual mandation and putting that in place was important. But yeah, 139 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: equally with you know, as we expect other government agencies 140 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,559 Speaker 3: and crownties to be responsible for tax with taxpayer money, 141 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: we think that they also need to make savings and 142 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: praying back you know, what they're doing as well. 143 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: How do you handle something And I asked this question 144 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: before the news. So you fund an organization and you 145 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: look for outcomes. Given there were three recessions, can we 146 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: call them in competent or can you not lay that 147 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: at their doorstep? In other words, how do you know 148 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: you're getting value for money. 149 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think you know. What we can 150 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: control is what we can control, and that is saying, well, 151 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: we do have a decision around that mandate. Your job 152 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: as a reserve bank is to get inflation back under 153 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: the band. It had been in the band for a 154 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: long period of time. It had got completely out of 155 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: control with the printing of cash, as we talked about, 156 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: an opposition and also a government that frankly was wasting 157 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: a lot of money. So the fiscal and monetary settings 158 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: were completely out of whack. And then what happened was 159 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: a reserve bank woke up and decide to take interest. 160 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Rates up and put the brakes on. 161 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: Mean while, you know, the labor government kept spending like 162 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: drunken sailors and and we ended up with a lot 163 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: of instability. And so you know, that's the mess that 164 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: we're cleaning up and working our way through now. But 165 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: from my point of view, there was a lot of 166 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: money being pumped into the reserve bank. They were doing 167 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: a lot of periphery things that weren't We're away from 168 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: their core mandate, which was to get inflation back under 169 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: three percent. They've now done that, which is helpful. We've 170 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: done that by also getting rid of wasteful spending and 171 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: fiscal and monetary policy, working together to get inflation under 172 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: control so we can lawer interest rates, so we can 173 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: grow the economy and get people in jobs. But equally, 174 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: we don't feel there's a need for them to with 175 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 3: the budget bid that we saw initially and what we've 176 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: proposed to deliver, it's quite rightly make that twenty five 177 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: percent cut. 178 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: Just before Easter, we had Summing and brown and twenty 179 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: billion dollars long term plan for health infrastructure. All of 180 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: that sounds good until I read Health New Zealand's own report, 181 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: which states, quote they cannot effectively plan for asset renewals, 182 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: replacements or optimize maintenance strategies. We do not have a 183 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: consistent understanding of asset related risks and its priorities for investment. 184 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: If they're that useless, would you entrust twenty billion dollars 185 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: worth of anything with them? 186 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think actually I would just say to you, 187 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: I think New Zealand in general does a very poor 188 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: job of asset management. I think it's been recognized globally 189 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: that we're amongst some of the worst in doing it. 190 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: You've seen us with. 191 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: Respect to education actually pull out infrastructure and education as 192 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: a separate sort of entity within it, and that's led 193 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: to some good outcomes. We've actually been able to improve 194 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: the standardized buildings from twenty percent eighty percent of the 195 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: classrooms in New Zealand were bespoken done locally, and as 196 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: a result we're about one point two million dollars in cost. 197 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: We've managed to actually say, let's lift the standard rate 198 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: up to sixty percent of all our buildings now are 199 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: standard in classrooms and lo and behold, the cost has 200 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: come down to eight hundred thousand dollars. And it's the 201 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: same challenge frankly in the health estate as well. We've 202 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: got I think it's about twelve hundred and thirteen hundred 203 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: buildings I think across eighty six campuses or something, and 204 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: the average age is about forty seven years. So this 205 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: has been developing over multiple decades. But we've never ever had, 206 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: believe it or not, a single long term plan that 207 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: lays out a pipeline for health infrastructure. And that's partly 208 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: renewing that capacity, partly investing in new facilities. But you know, 209 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 3: as I've said to Simeon and Chris Bishop. I'm very 210 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: very open for us actually creating a separate health infrastructure 211 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: entity that actually manages infrastructure projects well, because it's a 212 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: different skill set. When you're in education, you're already focused 213 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: on curriculum and you don't have expertise and running the 214 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: assets of classrooms and schools, And the same happens in 215 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: healthcare with hospitals and other things. 216 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: So there's a lot for us to do there. 217 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: But I think the good start is actually what Simon 218 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: has done, which is, you know, try and comprehensively set 219 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: up a plan and then think about how we phase 220 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: this stuff and open it up to private capital too. 221 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: You're looking forward to Gliberly. 222 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: I am really Mica. I mean it's a pretty special place. 223 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: It's obviously as a kid growing up in New Zealand, 224 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: I've read a lot about it. I always love history 225 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: and being a history buff and read a lot of 226 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: stories about it. And yeah, I just think it's really 227 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: poignant this week to be here in the UK talking 228 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: defense and the work that we've been doing with the 229 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: Brits and then thinking one hundred and ten years ago, 230 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: you know, we're working with Brits as well, and Gallipoli 231 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 3: and it's gonna be very special, one hundred and tenth commemoration. 232 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, year of commemoration. 233 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Go well, appreciate you making the time. 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