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Speaker 1: New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

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Speaker 2: The mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the la

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Speaker 3: Be well, you're welcome.

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Speaker 4: It's like Christmas for defenses billions get roll out for

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Speaker 4: planes and drones and lipiality. We'll talk with the former

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Speaker 4: Defense Minister and the current one, the IIDA cracking down

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Speaker 4: on unpaid tax and the coming up roses. Actually, Bruce

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Speaker 4: Hornsby turns up after ape for a chat about being exceptional,

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Speaker 4: Catherine Fields and France. Rod Liddle brings us up to

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Speaker 4: speed from the United Kingdom. Ask you here to seven

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Speaker 4: post six. Welcome to the day. Touch the old intellectual snobbery,

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Speaker 4: I thought yesterday rearing its head with news that the

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Speaker 4: Defense Force dropped education criteria last year. So, as a

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Speaker 4: person who had no time for school and could not

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Speaker 4: wait to get out into the world, I was and

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Speaker 4: still am, very grateful for the idea that you choose

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Speaker 4: the person, not the piece of paper when it comes

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Speaker 4: to work. When I started school, certain ue well what

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Speaker 4: you needed to get into the media, or at least

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Speaker 4: have a crack at it. These days you need a

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Speaker 4: degree and I can assure you the quality of those

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Speaker 4: graduates has not changed one iota as a result of

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Speaker 4: several years of study. The military is an awfully difficult

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Speaker 4: place to recruit for, especially in a country like ours.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just what is it you're offering. We don't

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Speaker 4: do a lot. We don't have a lot of equipment.

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Speaker 4: We don't fight wars, We peacekeep and weed patrol. So

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Speaker 4: in a world where work life balance and work from

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Speaker 4: home and four day weeks a commonplace, average pay WAYOUU

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Speaker 4: and a lot of early rises aren't exactly calling cards,

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Speaker 4: are they. So you simply now need three years of school.

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Speaker 4: You don't even need level one NCEEA to join. So

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Speaker 4: here's the thing. Some people aren't into school. And I

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Speaker 4: know this because I was one of them. Not all

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Speaker 4: life choices, work choices, or skills are gained by passing

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Speaker 4: year eleven maths. The military is as much about attitude

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Speaker 4: and aptitude. It's a structured environment. It is designed for

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Speaker 4: specific types of people. In places like America, they recruit

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Speaker 4: people who may well struggle to get regular work. That's

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Speaker 4: the way it is. It's a simple truth. They offer

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Speaker 4: dental and medical in a country where you may not

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Speaker 4: be able to afford it. They offer a career and

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Speaker 4: travel and opportunity, careers and trade. You may not have

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Speaker 4: even thought of here. What are they offering? Auto technician, plumber, diver.

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Speaker 4: These are jobs on offer in the military with no skills.

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Speaker 4: Could you do that in civilian life? No, you couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Being good with an engine doesn't mean you're good in

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Speaker 4: a classroom. These are doors of opportunity. If the military,

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Speaker 4: through necessity, can make this work. Who are these outside

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Speaker 4: snobs who still believe that exams and results are the

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Speaker 4: sole key to employment?

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Speaker 1: What news of the world in ninety second.

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Speaker 4: Of Collins on that later, as the markets continue to

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Speaker 4: be guarged internationally abernite by the way, the British are

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Speaker 4: still working on what well the what next bit? The

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Speaker 4: Chancellor has deals in mind.

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Speaker 5: We approach that we are taking is call headed, It

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Speaker 5: is pragmatic, and it is guided by the national interest,

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Speaker 5: seeking to strike deals with our trading partners around the world,

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Speaker 5: including with the United States.

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Speaker 4: Sakia was a Jaguar landrover who have paused, of course,

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Speaker 4: shipments to the States.

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Speaker 6: Nobody wins from a trade war, you know that. But

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Speaker 6: it's also a moment for urgency because we've got to

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Speaker 6: rise together as a nation.

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Speaker 4: Meantime, in Washington, Trump's would meet Nitnaho again, but also

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Speaker 4: host of the World Series Champions of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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Speaker 7: The team was crowned the World Series champion against a

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Speaker 7: great team. The Yankees are a great team and always

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Speaker 7: a great franchise. And I guess, I don't know, like

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Speaker 7: twenty eight or something. They want a lot, probably maybe

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Speaker 7: more than any team in history overall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that other team, but you guys anyway, whatever, speaking

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Speaker 4: of Nitnya, who the Middle East is busy won. With

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Speaker 4: British MP's being turned around and sent home.

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Speaker 8: This is unacceptable that I would like to see the

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Speaker 8: British government say that these deportations should be revoked and

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Speaker 8: that these MPs should be allowed to go in future

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Speaker 8: because they've been given an entry band for five years.

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Speaker 4: And then to an attack on an AID convoy.

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Speaker 9: Why did you destroy the ambulasers after killing them? Why

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Speaker 9: did you today to dig deep and hide the ambulances?

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Speaker 3: Why did you hide the buddies?

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Speaker 4: Well they're not unreasonable questions, so these relatives providing an

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Speaker 4: explanation of sorts.

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Speaker 10: ADF soldiers opened fire from a distance at vehicles that

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Speaker 10: were moving suspiciously in their direction. Among the dead were

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Speaker 10: six Hamas terrorists. What were Humas terrorists doing in ambulances?

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Speaker 4: And there's not a bad question either, And that's news

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Speaker 4: of the world in ninety that's gone and threatened fifty

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Speaker 4: percent on China. So we're doing the thirty four percent.

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Speaker 4: I see your thirty four. Here's another thirty four. Then

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Speaker 4: he's going fifty on top because he doesn't like the

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Speaker 4: way China responded. So he's busy asking for patients this

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Speaker 4: morning and not to be weak or stupid. So if

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Speaker 4: you were thinking this morning of being weak or stupid,

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Speaker 4: stop it. Eleven past six.

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Speaker 4: We're speak of the Dodgers and the Yankees and also

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Speaker 4: nitnya who's here, And we'll keep you in posted, keep

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Speaker 4: you posted on what's happening at the White House. But

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Speaker 4: speaking of the White House, I don't know whether it's

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Speaker 4: deliberate or he's just deranged. But while he was there,

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Speaker 4: he was sort of he went off about the Oval Office.

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Speaker 11: It's funny. People come from all over, the biggest people,

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Speaker 11: the richest people, the most powerful people. And they come

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Speaker 11: and they go into the Oval Office and they just stare.

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Speaker 7: Oh, well, they all have beautiful offices. They have offices

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Speaker 7: that are the best in the world in many cases,

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Speaker 7: but they love the Oval Office.

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Speaker 4: They traveled from Los Angeles. Great, Yeah, Bruce Hornsby after

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Speaker 4: right by the way, Jay am I Wealth, Andrew kellerh.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 4: So where do you want to start?

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Speaker 12: Well, okay, we yes, where do we start?

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Speaker 13: So think back March twenty twenty, so peak COVID uncertain

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Speaker 13: of the GFC. Look, in the last twenty we've seen

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Speaker 13: volatility and share markets the likes of which we haven't

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Speaker 13: seen since those heady days of market gyrations that are

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Speaker 13: now very much etched into financial market history. So right

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Speaker 13: now we are adding another chapter to that weighty tome.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, if we take a wander through the last

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Speaker 13: twenty four hours. We came into work yesterday with a

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Speaker 13: rather frightening honor of being the first market to trade

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Speaker 13: after the weekend.

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Speaker 12: The weekend that we'd seen the news that China.

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Speaker 13: Would place reciprocal tariffs against the reciprocal tariffs.

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Speaker 12: President Trump, well, he.

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Speaker 13: Had been golfing, channeling his inner Emperor Nero, who supposedly

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Speaker 13: fiddled while roame burned. Anyway, the New Zealand and Australian

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Speaker 13: the New Zealand the Internet's fifty fell three point six

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Speaker 13: eight percent. That's a chunky move for the local index

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Speaker 13: backtor level seen in January last year. Fairly indiscriminates selling

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Speaker 13: for the record. Companies like main Freight edging down just

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Speaker 13: under seven percent on feares of lower levels of global trade,

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Speaker 13: got Fletcher Building, sky City, Fonterra. They all fell or

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Speaker 13: had more than six percent falls. Australia they topped our

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Speaker 13: three point six eight percent, they fell four point two percent.

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Speaker 12: Resources hit quite hard there.

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Speaker 13: But the truly remarkable price section, yes they Mike, was

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Speaker 13: evident in the Asian markets, obviously reacting to potential for

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Speaker 13: full blown trade war between China and the US.

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Speaker 12: And just remarkable numbers here, Mike. I've been doing this

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Speaker 12: for forty years and these were eye opening yesterday.

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Speaker 13: The Hangsen and Hang Sing index that's Hong Kong lots

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Speaker 13: of China exposure. That that fell thirteen point two percent

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Speaker 13: in the trading session. The Nike in Japan, the NIK

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Speaker 13: two two five fell seven point eight percent, Shanghai Composite

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Speaker 13: China Index seven point three shen Zen. That's another exchange

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Speaker 13: here that was down over ten percent. So Liberation Day

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Speaker 13: became obliteration day for those exchanges. US markets, MIKE are

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Speaker 13: just equally remarkable. The US futures trade now time zone

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Speaker 13: looked pretty ugly, sort of falls three to five percent,

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Speaker 13: but they then rallied back overnight in an equally remarkable.

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Speaker 12: Display of volatility.

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Speaker 13: From the session lows to the highs. The S and

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Speaker 12: That is just crazy.

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Speaker 13: Well, last time we saw that, well, we saw that

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Speaker 13: back in March twenty twenty. The banking sector mark that's

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Speaker 13: getting hit particularly hard over fears of slowing US economy

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Speaker 13: just quickly stepping through the other market's interest rates. They've

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Speaker 13: been falling despite fears of inflation because slow in growth.

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Speaker 13: Trump's inflation worries are treasury. US treasury markets they've done

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Speaker 13: a thirty point their tenure. Treasury's done a thirty point

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Speaker 13: basis point move. Overnight, they've gone back up.

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Speaker 12: That's crazy. Currency's key.

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Speaker 13: We it's fallen to flirt with fifty five cents sitting

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Speaker 13: there at the moment. If it goes through fifty five cents, mIRC,

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Speaker 13: there's not a lot of support until I don't know,

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Speaker 13: fifty cents. The oil price sixty four dollars overnight, that

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Speaker 13: saw it down to sixty two. I guess that's good

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Speaker 13: news from an inflation point of view. But Mike, there

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Speaker 13: is so much going on it's just chan to keep.

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Speaker 4: Up, isn't that true? I saw the Australian dollar at

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Speaker 4: fifty nine. I saw oil below sixty for a while there,

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Speaker 4: So what I mean, we know it's striving it. But

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Speaker 4: this is weird, isn't it? Because you can explain the GFC,

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Speaker 4: and you can explain COVID, but how do you explain him.

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Speaker 13: Look, I'll just make a few comments, Mike, every celler

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Speaker 13: for this nature sort of feels different.

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Speaker 12: I've seen a few.

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Speaker 13: Look over the last hundred years, we've seen bear markets

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Speaker 13: in the s and P five hundred I think sort

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Speaker 13: of about fifteen times.

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Speaker 12: So they happen.

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Speaker 13: These things do happen. They're part of the financial market experience.

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Speaker 13: But if I look to say, March twenty twenty, another

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Speaker 13: difficult time peak COVID uncertainty. Look, it did become evident

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Speaker 13: then that there was going to be a reason the

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Speaker 13: coordinated global response fiscal monetary policy could be applied. This

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Speaker 13: sort of own goal of a sell off doesn't have

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Speaker 13: an easily identifiable circuit breaker, and compounding the issue, Mike,

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Speaker 13: I mean, I hate to say it, but the US government,

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Speaker 13: the US administration now has a credibility issue because those

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Speaker 13: tariff calculations were nonsensical. So I ask you the question,

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Speaker 13: how does a rational considered administration respond? And I think

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Speaker 13: that's the conversation going on around the world.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 13: Look, my simple view, Mike is I don't think you

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Speaker 13: as important. Tariffs can be negotiated away. I think President

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Speaker 13: Trump has committed, but I think they can be lowered

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Speaker 13: and the effects can be mitigated. So we'll talk about

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Speaker 13: this through the week. Right now, Investors, unfortunately, they just

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Speaker 13: need to be patient.

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Speaker 4: Right, brace yourself. Here they come numbers, There we go.

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Speaker 12: This is the crazy thing that Dow Jones is up.

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Speaker 3: Is up?

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Speaker 13: No, it's down sixty one points at the moment, so

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Speaker 13: it's barely moved. Actually, the S and P five hundred

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Speaker 13: is up half a percent and the Nasdaq is up

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Speaker 13: over one percent. But this is very much a point

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Speaker 13: in time. Anything could happen between now and when they close.

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Speaker 13: The forty one hundred down three hundred and fifty three points.

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Speaker 4: Collins with us later couldn't agree more, Mike. In reality,

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Speaker 4: most university degrees do nothing to advance an individual's basability

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Speaker 4: The much hyped White Lotus finale dropped yesterday afternoon. If

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Speaker 15: Well, they can force they can do things to taxpayer

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Speaker 4: bubble tea. You've seen how many bubble tea places there

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Speaker 4: season White Lotus was average. Yeah, I tend to agree.

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Speaker 4: Mike, they should look at nail bars. They're everywhere. That's

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Speaker 18: I've got two women in my house. You like bubble tea?

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Speaker 4: Agree with White Lotus seven out of ten at best,

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Speaker 17: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 4: So to talk me through this because I'm already confused,

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Speaker 19: I are these tariffs here to stay? Are this current

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Speaker 19: Or is it just a negotiating technic? So for the meantime,

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Speaker 19: they're all talking tough, but still trying to find out

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Speaker 19: if there's any room whatsoever for negotiations any way forward

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Speaker 19: without some sort of huge, you know, robust countermeasures. Now,

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Speaker 19: in the last couple of hours, we have discovered that

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Speaker 19: the European Union a sort of vonderlion and the Trade

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Speaker 19: Commissioner put forward back in February mid February and offered

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Speaker 19: to the American administration to have zero tariffs, reciprocal zero tariffs.

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Speaker 19: They haven't heard back from that the EU has said

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Speaker 19: that still remains on the table. They would prefer that

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Speaker 19: to be the way forward, but nevertheless, they are going

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Speaker 19: to be looking at some sort of retaliation. They're going

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Speaker 19: to be looking again at goods and services just to

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Speaker 19: see what they can have up their sleeve. If this

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Speaker 19: twenty percent tariff which has been announced comment to fact

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Speaker 19: against European Union, whether that stays in place. So that's

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Speaker 19: where we are what countermeasures ready to go, but hoping

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Speaker 19: that the differences will narrow. Now when it comes to services, Mike,

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Speaker 19: this is where everyone sort of gets to forgets a

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Speaker 19: bit about what's going on. We hear all the time

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Speaker 19: that the EU has a good surplus for around three

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Speaker 19: hundred and ten billion New Zealand dollars with US, but

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Speaker 19: in fact, when it comes to services, there's a deficit

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Speaker 19: of about two hundred and twenty New Zealand billion New

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Speaker 19: Zealand dollars. So what France, Germany and Austria is saying

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Speaker 19: is let's keep this while on our house sleeves. Let's

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Speaker 19: hit back at big tech. Now that means heading back

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Speaker 19: at the giants such as Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google. These

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Speaker 19: are all big players when it comes to Europe so

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Speaker 19: you can start finding them, for example, violating digital competition rules,

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Speaker 19: all sorts of things like that and making it more difficult.

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Speaker 19: For example, we've spoken about this before X what used

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Speaker 19: to be known is Twitter, of course is already in

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Speaker 19: breach of content moderation rules and there's set to have

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Speaker 19: a fine of about six percent of the of its

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Speaker 19: global turnovers. So the France particularly and Germany is looking

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Speaker 19: at that as a way of saying, listen, you know,

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Speaker 19: when it comes to services, we've got a little bit

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Speaker 19: of our sleeves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Is everybody in lockstep in the EU as much

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Speaker 4: as the EU can be in lockstep? Or has everyone

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Speaker 4: got their own plan?

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Speaker 19: Everyone's in lockstit when it says let's just wait and

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Speaker 19: see how this is going to shake down. I mean,

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Speaker 19: there's that old quote never interrupt your enemy when he

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Speaker 19: is making a mistake, because they all realize that this

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Speaker 19: is a big mistake being made, or they think this

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Speaker 19: is a big mistake being made by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 12: So let's just let it.

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Speaker 19: All continue working its way down there. When it comes

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Speaker 19: to other matters, say, for example, on attacking services, here

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Speaker 19: was sing a bit of divergence particular when it comes

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Speaker 19: to Ireland because Island has been huge, Yeah, huge in Ireland.

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Speaker 19: They've really made so much of their economy based on

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Speaker 19: things like Apple, Microsoft to Amazon. They're saying, whoa, wait

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Speaker 19: until we're way further down the line before you start

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Speaker 19: talking about this. But of course, French President Emmanuel mac

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Speaker 19: cron just immediately after these tariffs were announced, Mike, he

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Speaker 19: got around the table at the Elitesa Palace a lot

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Speaker 19: of the French industry leaders and said, hey, if you've

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Speaker 19: got any investment going into the US and you can

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Speaker 19: stop it, stop it now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting, just give us a quickly on Marine La

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Speaker 4: penn forgetting. Of course, she's a convicted in Beezler, she

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Speaker 4: still seems to be moderately politically popular. Where does this go?

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Speaker 19: Okay? Well, she put it forward to the courts for

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Speaker 19: an appeal, putting a lot of pressure on the judges. Interestingly,

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Speaker 19: the three judges that handed down that decision against her

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Speaker 19: last week, that guilty verdicts, they are now under police

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Speaker 19: protection because there are concerns that she's whipping up her

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Speaker 19: supporters and just making it very difficult for when it

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Speaker 19: comes to the safety of these judges. As putting judges

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Speaker 19: in an impossible position. She had a sparsely attended valley

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Speaker 19: here in Paris on Sunday. Essentially, she's saying it's a

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Speaker 19: witch hunt and that you're going around saying people are

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Speaker 19: more important than the judges and it's up to the

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Speaker 19: people to decide.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Doky, I'm glad we got you on board. Catherine,

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Speaker 4: appreciate it very much. The attendance, they were expecting hundreds

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Speaker 4: of thousands. They got thousands, but not the sort of

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Speaker 4: numbers they were expecting, So it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 4: where that goes. Right ten minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The mic asking breakfast with the range rover Villa News.

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Speaker 4: Talks dead be Mike Terrif free trade is so beneficial,

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Speaker 4: why aren't all countries implementing terra free trade? Very good question.

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Speaker 4: We certainly don't have one with Europe.

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Speaker 3: No, we do not.

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Speaker 4: We have a very good one with the UK, very

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Speaker 4: good one with the UAE, very good one with China.

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Speaker 4: The reason we don't have free trade all over the

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Speaker 4: world is simply politics. The French farmer cannot raise a

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Speaker 4: cow or a sheep, or make milk or cheese in

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Speaker 4: a way that's remotely efficient, and so they go to

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Speaker 4: the government, and they go, unless you protect us, unless

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Speaker 4: you give us a false economy, you hand out some

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Speaker 4: free money to us, we will not vote for you.

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Speaker 4: And that's called lobbying. And the lobbying industry is massive,

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Speaker 4: and that's how it works. So even if you're good

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Speaker 4: at something, it doesn't mean you can land your product

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Speaker 4: terrif free. And that, unfortunately, is everything that's wrong with trade.

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Speaker 4: Six Away from seven.

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Speaker 2: All the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with

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Speaker 2: business fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 4: Right from our what to do or not to do

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Speaker 4: on Holiday file, We've got a company called Radical Storage

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Speaker 4: whove analyze this morning over ninety five thousand visitor reviews

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Speaker 4: of more than two hundred the world's most visited attractions,

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Speaker 4: and they'd come up with their top ten most disappointing

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Speaker 4: tourist hotspots. So we'll go ten through one. National Air

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Speaker 4: and Space Museum in Washington is number ten. Very disappointing,

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Speaker 4: it's outdated, it's overcrowded, it's overrated. Nine Top Copy Palace

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Speaker 4: in a Standbull, high entry fee, palace, beautiful, just a

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Speaker 4: little spinny. The Gardland Park in Italy, that's number eight.

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Speaker 4: It's a massive theme park alongside a water park and

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Speaker 4: an aquery and three hotels. So as with any of

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Speaker 4: the theme parks, you've got long queues and high prices.

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Speaker 4: There the negatives. So you don't like a queue and

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Speaker 4: you don't like the prices. That makes it the eighth

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Speaker 4: most disappointing wonder of the world. Seven the Guinness Storehouse

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Speaker 4: in Ireland. I mean that even sounds disappointing, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's a storehouse and it's got Guinness in it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, go to a pub if you like your Guinness.

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Speaker 4: A bit boring, they say, especially if you're interested in beer,

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Speaker 4: or if you're not interested in beer, it's really boring.

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Speaker 4: Horseshoe Casino in Vegas is the sixth most disappointing. Why

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Speaker 4: because it's the only three star hotel in Vegas. So

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Speaker 4: she's down at hill, so why would you bother five?

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Speaker 4: And I agree with this wholeheartedly. The Trivia Fountain in Rome.

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Speaker 4: It's overcrowded, overrated, and way smaller than you think. As

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Speaker 4: I wandered around the corner and I saw it, I thought,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, what are all these people doing there?

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Speaker 4: There were so many people who didn't even see the fountain.

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Speaker 4: It's so small. Four the time out market in Lisbon, Portugal.

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Speaker 4: It's overpriced, it's overcrowded. It's also not suited to vegetarians.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, you can say that about a lot

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Speaker 4: of the world, really, can't you. I mean, this tremendous

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Speaker 4: amount of world is suited to vegetarians. Sion Park in Tenna,

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Speaker 4: tena Reefee and Tenner Reefee known as the world's best

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Speaker 4: water park. Apparently it's not. They lied to the Shedsinye

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Speaker 4: Baths and paul In Buddha Pest. It's the world's largest

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Speaker 4: medicinal bath in Europe. So now the problem with that,

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Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with the medicinal bath. It's just so

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Speaker 4: big that hundreds of thousands of other people want to

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Speaker 4: be in it with you, and that's disgusting. And the

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Speaker 4: most disappointing attraction in the world is Alton Towers in

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Speaker 4: the UK. That is right biggest theme park. Forty nine

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Speaker 4: percent of reviews a negative, compared with an average of

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Speaker 4: only eleven percent for the other attractions. People hate the

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Speaker 4: cost and they say the customer service is crap. It's

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Speaker 4: absolutely crap, right, Our former Defense minister Ron Mark. I'm

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Speaker 4: assuming he is pleased by what was announced yesterday. There

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Speaker 4: is the question around the billions and billions of dollars

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Speaker 4: I thought last time, I look, we didn't have any money.

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Speaker 4: But we'll deal with Judith Collins on that. But Ron Mark,

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Speaker 4: former Defenseman. After the News, which.

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Speaker 2: Is next, the Breakfast Show, Kiwi's Trust to Stay in

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Speaker 2: the Know, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with Vida, Retirement Communities,

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Speaker 2: Life Your Way News, togs Head be past seven.

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Speaker 4: Just keeping an eye on the White House, NITNYA, who's there.

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Speaker 4: They've just canceled the press conference, which is never a

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Speaker 4: good sign. They look like they'll speak from the yellow chairs,

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Speaker 4: which is limited questions, So I don't know whether anything's

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Speaker 4: gone wrong there, but will keep you posted obviously. Now

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Speaker 4: back home, What a day for the military. It's all

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Speaker 4: onto the tune of billions over the next handful of

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Speaker 4: years as the government looks to return us to some

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Speaker 4: sort of operative credibility twelve billion over four years by

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight, spending at a credible two percent about GDP.

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Speaker 4: Former Defence Minister Ron Mike with us Ron Morning, Good morning, Mike,

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Speaker 4: how are you very well? Thank you you like it.

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Speaker 20: I'm toasting the Coalition government. I have to say that.

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Speaker 20: And I've got to say, Mike, I can I can

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Speaker 20: see the fingerprints for the coalition partners.

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Speaker 3: All over this.

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Speaker 20: It says wonderful news. And I have no doubt Beautith

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Speaker 20: Collins has been very grateful for support of Winston Peters.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying Peter's an active nudge National in this way.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think it's very clear if you go right

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Speaker 20: back to where they were when they started. And you know,

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Speaker 20: I've always expressed disappointment that the past Nationals had to

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Speaker 20: have of writing wonderful plans. But you know, as we

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Speaker 20: used to say in the Diving World, plan to dive

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Speaker 20: and dive the plans. The plan's not worth anything if

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Speaker 20: you don't an act and the naval look with money.

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Speaker 20: And this time you know they have all all three

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Speaker 20: of them have come out a guns blazing so to speak,

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Speaker 20: and put the money and they're put up This.

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Speaker 4: Plays well where their allies.

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Speaker 20: Oh look, this will play well with our strategic partners globally.

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Speaker 20: I mean I'm thinking right now us seeing in FPDA

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Speaker 20: and the Endo Pacific, I'm thinking of security comfort. There

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Speaker 20: will be the South Pacific cleense Minister. It will get

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Speaker 20: five eyes also and NATO can't forget NATO. But it's

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Speaker 20: also going to enhance the Prime Minister and the Minister

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Speaker 20: Foreign Affairs ability to to caure our economic cuty. You

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Speaker 20: can't have prosperity without security, and right now we're living

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Speaker 20: in any possibly the most insecure times that we've seen

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Speaker 20: since the Second World War.

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Speaker 4: Do you worry about the big picture of labor and

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Speaker 4: the Greens get back in they're a bit anti military

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Speaker 4: or is this bulletproof not?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: I do, Mike, and I think the thing I learned,

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Speaker 20: if you want to make your capability plan bulletproof, you

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Speaker 20: get the contracts done and just as fast as you

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Speaker 20: possibly can, and then it makes it very hard for

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Speaker 20: them to turn things around. I think it's going to

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Speaker 20: put labor in a bit of a buying because they

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Speaker 20: made a lot of fuss about the fact that you're

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Speaker 20: under their watch. They did all this investment. Well, you know,

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Speaker 20: they had their firmly shoved up their back, let's be

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Speaker 20: clear about that. But it's something different when you look

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Speaker 20: at their track report between twenty twenty when they had

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Speaker 20: ultimate power themselves in twenty twenty three, they squashed pretty

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Speaker 20: much everything that I had lined up for the next

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Speaker 20: Trianium and that set us backwards. So what this announcement

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Speaker 20: does is it reached addresses that failure of that three years,

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Speaker 20: that accelerates forward within twelve billion as was it nine

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Speaker 20: billion going over the next four years, No, twelve billion

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Speaker 20: over the next four years and nine billion dollars of

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Speaker 20: new money. The real consc is going to come and

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Speaker 20: what the Prime Minister identified and then stand up after

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Speaker 20: the after cabinet that you can't have platforms and capability

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Speaker 20: if you don't have confident, capable and experienced personnel as well,

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Speaker 20: and that's going to be the big challenge.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we'll appreciate the insight ron ron mark form of

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Speaker 4: Defense Minister, speaking of which ten minutes past seven passing

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Speaker 4: my great news about the defense budget. However, not a

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Speaker 4: cent to go towards a pay increase, so nothing will change.

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Speaker 4: Personnel still ahead will be heading off shore hopefully wrong

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Speaker 4: because it was addressed yesterday. The money for salaries comes

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Speaker 4: in the budget. This is separate again, but there are

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Speaker 4: question marks around where the money comes and it will

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Speaker 4: all be revealed in the budget. But due to the

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Speaker 4: collins with us in about half an hour's time. Right

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Speaker 4: o the matters. Speaking of money, thousands of victims of

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Speaker 4: crime missing out on court ordered reparation. We've got ten

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Speaker 4: and a half thousand payments over you right now, with

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Speaker 4: the further twenty three thousand, seven hundred outstanding. It's one

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Speaker 4: hundred and five million dollars that people are missing out on.

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Speaker 4: The Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith with us on this Good morning,

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Mike. Hardly a surprise given the people you're

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Speaker 4: dealing with. They're not fulsome in their ability or need

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Speaker 4: or desire to pay, are they? No?

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Speaker 12: But it is a hopeless situation.

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Speaker 22: It's been like this for a very long time and

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Speaker 22: everybody's aware it. You know, something happens, you get this

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Speaker 22: a reparation and that's two dollars a week, or it

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Speaker 22: doesn't happen, and so there aren't the real consequences for crime.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunate.

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Speaker 22: It's this one of the many issues in the justice

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Speaker 22: sector that we're working our way through. And I've certainly

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Speaker 22: given instructions that we've got to come up with a

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Speaker 22: better solution.

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Speaker 4: Are they what's that coming up with a better solution?

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Speaker 22: Well, they haven't come up with it. Yet I'll just

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Speaker 22: you know, just remind you that last year we were

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Speaker 22: focusing on sentencing and the gang stuff, make good progress there.

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Speaker 22: We're now dealing with stalking and name suppression rules and

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Speaker 22: retail crime. The next cab off the rank will be that,

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Speaker 22: you know, is an equally appalling situation in terms of

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Speaker 22: people waiting three years to get cases. So the slow

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Speaker 22: processes of the court and this one is the next

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Speaker 22: problem that we've got to deal with. And that the

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Speaker 22: challenge I've put to them is this, simply, we've got

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Speaker 22: you know, we can send people to jail, or we

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Speaker 22: can give them a fine, but we actually need something

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Speaker 22: more effective in the middle for people who don't actually

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Speaker 22: pay the fine. We don't necessarily want to put them

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Speaker 22: in prison. And you know, so it's a kind of

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Speaker 22: the community service type thing. I'd be interested in your

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Speaker 22: listeners if they could come up with.

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Speaker 4: I think we've got to.

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Speaker 22: Come up with something that's irritating and difficult and annoying,

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Speaker 22: which forces people to actually get on with it and.

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Speaker 4: Pay the fines. I already most of these people will

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Speaker 4: beyond benefits, take it out of their benefits.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 22: Yet that that already happens in certain circumstances that happens.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, exactly, why don't you solve the problem. If

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Speaker 4: you've got the mechanism, just take it out until they

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Speaker 4: pay their bill.

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Speaker 22: Yes, but there's also you know, I mean that there's

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Speaker 22: child support payments, there's traffic fines, all sorts of things

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Speaker 22: coming out, and that's the limit.

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Speaker 4: And so I think the problem.

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Speaker 22: Yes, I mean, there's scope for doing that more than

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Speaker 22: their scope for having more consequences at the border and

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Speaker 22: all those sorts of things. We're into that, but I

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Speaker 22: still think we need to come up with a better

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Speaker 22: solution that provides something that's irritating and painful, that annoys people,

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Speaker 22: that forces him to getting out and paying the fines.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I'm looking for. How about a small

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Speaker 4: segment on my show once a week where I name

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Speaker 4: and shame them. Well, that'd be a good idea.

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Speaker 22: I'm into that, Mike.

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Speaker 4: There we go. See this is the home of my ideas. Paul,

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Speaker 4: anytime you welcome Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen minutes past seven, A couple of rolls Daily Mail

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Speaker 4: jail Partners. One thousand registered voters between the end of

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Speaker 4: March and early April so pre tariff. Trump's approval rating

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Speaker 4: fifty three percent, up four if you missed last night.

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Speaker 4: Third pole now locally where the government retains power last

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Speaker 4: night on the one US thirty six up two for

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Speaker 4: National Labours down a. But the Greens are steady actors,

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Speaker 4: steady New Zealand first upper little bit added all together

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Speaker 4: in terms of seats. Are the government to back by

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Speaker 4: a couple fourteen?

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Speaker 2: Pass the Mike Asking Breakfast full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: Be Mike Pipe Radio New Zealand into their house twenty

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Speaker 4: cut off the power of the water or both. Mike

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Speaker 4: instant bad credit rating. Is it a good sign or

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Speaker 4: a bad sign when a minister comes on this program

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Speaker 4: asking for policy advice? I don't know whether to be

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Speaker 4: flatted or worried anyway. Seventeen parts just from you, but

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Speaker 4: from the listeners, well from everybody. Good news for hospital

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Speaker 4: and Central O Tiger. If you've missed this one, probably

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Speaker 4: the whole country got Good Food and Wine's Global Taste

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Speaker 4: Maker Awards. They've named Queenstown's Amersfield as the third best

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Speaker 4: in the world, a beacon I quote, a beacon for

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Speaker 4: wine enthusiasts world wye who seek an unparalleled dining experience

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Speaker 4: is how the judge put it. Msfield, executive chef for

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Speaker 4: Vaughan maybe's with us born Very good morning to you,

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Speaker 4: Mording Mike, how very well? Indeed? Do you realize at

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Speaker 4: the time you're being judged and these are people there

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Speaker 4: for any sort of aventors that all sort of blind tasting.

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Speaker 16: Do you realize when you're being judged?

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Speaker 4: You mean, yeah, do they come there and go where

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Speaker 4: the judge is from the magazine or the awards committee,

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Speaker 4: you know, or do they do it secretly?

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Speaker 16: But sometimes you pick up judges some of the awards

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Speaker 16: that were involved in You're clueless, you know, and you

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Speaker 16: just kind of play the game of trying to give

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Speaker 16: everyone the same experience and put consistency.

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Speaker 4: Out there, you know, fantastic Would you have rated yourself

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Speaker 4: as highly as this? I mean, third best in the

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Speaker 4: world is really quite something, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: I Mean it's pretty huge. I Mean what I can

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Speaker 16: say is that we have, you know, a super passionate

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Speaker 16: team there that is always striving to improve and just

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Speaker 16: get better and give our guests an amazing experience. We

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Speaker 16: try to show them the beauty and the bounty of

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Speaker 16: New Zealand and our difference through our food and our wine.

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Speaker 4: Does it, and I know you're biased, does the food

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Speaker 4: speak for itself or does the whole environment add to it?

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Speaker 4: By the time you get into that beautiful restaurant, in

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Speaker 4: the beautiful surroundings, it all adds up to a piece

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Speaker 4: of magic.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it's the whole thing, you know. It's the

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Speaker 16: it's the place, you know, It's the longevity of the

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Speaker 16: restaurant with the amazing team. It's the food, It's the

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Speaker 16: beautiful organic wine from our vineyard. It's all combined into

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Speaker 16: one story of New Zealand that's unique and people are

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Speaker 16: loving it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: And you're on the shoulder season now, is it still

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Speaker 4: busy in your area?

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Speaker 16: It always tapes off a little bit, and I mean,

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Speaker 16: to be honest, that's kind of good for our team

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Speaker 16: just to get like a tiny little bit where we're

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Speaker 16: not getting bombarded every day after day, you know. And

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Speaker 16: that's the kind of little luxury of living in a

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Speaker 16: beautiful town like Queen's Town.

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Speaker 4: Good on your quick word on the vintage, was it good?

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Speaker 4: This season. Your grapes will be in as everyone fizzing.

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Speaker 16: Hey, listen, my team in the restaurant from the front

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Speaker 16: in the kitchen. We're out there picking grapes, helping the

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Speaker 16: team over at the vineyard and the peace arrange. And

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Speaker 16: you know, it's looking like an amazing year. We even

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Speaker 16: had the owner, John Darby out there looking around yesterday

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Speaker 16: and it looks like from what he see that it's

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Speaker 16: going to be an amazing year.

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Speaker 4: Good on, You're born will go well with it and

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Speaker 4: Warner's congratulations are putting New Zealand on the map and

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Speaker 4: helping the tourism industry born. Maybe who's the Ammersfield executive chef?

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Speaker 4: net zero Let me tell you well, let me reassure

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Speaker 4: and working from home. It's a great idea until it's

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Speaker 4: a mistake. The whole rhetoric around net zero is heading

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Speaker 4: many countries who are either worn down by the cold

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Speaker 4: hard truth that it isn't doable without a level of

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Speaker 4: look at countries like in Deer and China who talk

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Speaker 4: a half decent game but make little or any real progress.

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Speaker 4: All places like America, of course, who these days are

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Speaker 4: openly hostile to the whole idea as a global plan.

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Speaker 4: Widely endorsed and enacted. It's over, but until we reach

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Speaker 4: aims for net zero while at the same time doing

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Speaker 4: as little as humanly possible to get there, which is

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Speaker 4: a welcome relief from the previous government, who have of

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Speaker 4: course bent over backwards costs of fortune and basically just

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Speaker 4: hobbled business in the process. New details suggests that private

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Speaker 4: enterprise is going to plant huge numbers of trees on

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Speaker 4: conservation estate that we know and we love. What many

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Speaker 4: may not know is vast swathes of this country is

865
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 4: Crown property, and you've never been there and you're never

866
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 4: going to. It's not pristine landscape, hiking trails and bird song.

867
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: It's rugged, uncharted and barren. Put all the trees there

868
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: you want, and if someone somewhere thinks that's going to

869
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: save the world, will have done our part. The Outdoors

870
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 4: Brigade mistake is that anything outdoors is one ours to

871
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: frolic through at will. And two accessible parts of the

872
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: landscape that are indistinguishable from rolling meadows. Neither are true.

873
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 4: Cosking right, we're on the yellow chairs. Here's nitt Nyahu.

874
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: We are going to eliminate the tariffs and rapidly. I added.

875
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: At the opportunity to speak.

876
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 23: To the Secretary Letnik yesterday, we talked about how to

877
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 23: affect this quickly, and I hope to bring the solution

878
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 23: very quickly. We're not talking about intentions, We're not talking

879
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 23: about you know, just words.

880
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: We're talking about results.

881
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 7: So Trump, any many countries that are coming to negotiate

882
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 7: deals with us, and they're going to be fair deals,

883
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 7: and in certain cases they're going to be be paying

884
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 7: substantial tariffs.

885
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: They'll be fair deals.

886
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 7: So you know, I spoke this morning with the Prime

887
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 7: Minister of Japan and we had a very good conversation.

888
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 7: They're coming, and I said, one thing, you're going to

889
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 7: have to open up your country because we sold no cars,

890
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 7: like zero cars in Japan, and they sold millions of

891
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 7: cars into our country. They don't really take our agriculture,

892
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 7: a little bit of it just to keep us slightly happy,

893
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 7: but they don't take what they of us to be taking.

894
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 7: So we have a great relationship with Japan. We're going

895
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 7: to keep it that way.

896
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: But none of those Mike's any sense. Of course, the

897
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: reason they don't have American cars is because of can

898
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: cars run six feet of v gates and the cost

899
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: of petrols too high, and the emissions are hopeless and

900
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: there are rules against all of that. So none of

901
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: this has got solved. So Israel's already dropped their tariffs,

902
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: dropped them instantly, They dropped them before as soon as

903
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 4: the announcement was made. So what's America got to say,

904
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: Are they now making a deal? Vietnam dropped their tariffs

905
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: to zero as America making a deal.

906
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: No, they're not.

907
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: So where do we go from here? So none of

908
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 4: it actually makes any sense, and so we're no better

909
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: off anyway, back to the defense business. The Defense Minister

910
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 4: Judith Collins, shortly.

911
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: Your source of freaking news, challenging opinion and honors, backs

912
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: the Mike Hosking breakfast with the range Rover villa designed

913
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: to intrigue and use Tom's.

914
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: Dead b don't you what the down's worth? Watching? Are

915
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: not in any good way? But it was flat and

916
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: then it was down five hundred, then it was down

917
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: two hundred. Now it was down three to fifty, then

918
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: it was down eight hundred, then it was flat against

919
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: just all over the place. They're on the yellow chairs

920
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 4: nitnya who and Trump jumps now into China.

921
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 7: Essentially closed country. In fact, it is a closed country.

922
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 7: And what they do is they charge tariffs so that

923
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 7: if you if you sell cars, or if you sell anything,

924
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 7: nobody's going to buy it because the brace is out

925
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 7: of control. But that's true with a lot of other

926
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 7: countries also. So we're going to get fair deals and

927
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 7: good deals with every country, and if we don't, we're

928
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 7: going to have nothing to do with them. They're not

929
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 7: going to be allowed to participate in the United States.

930
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 12: You see what's todd.

931
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 4: China is not a closed country. It's our biggest trading partner,

932
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: and it's worth twenty billion dollars a year and it's

933
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: called free trade. So I don't know where the Americans

934
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: are following this with any level of detail, but it's

935
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 4: a mess. Twenty two minutes away from back to our

936
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 4: defense boost twelve billion over four years baseline, not a ceiling,

937
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 4: which was the encouraging part. I guess it will be

938
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: at least two percent of GDP eventually nine billion of

939
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: its brand new money. To the Defense Minister Judith Collins

940
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 4: as well, it's very good morning to you.

941
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 24: Good morning mate.

942
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: It felt a bit grown up yesterday. Does it feel

943
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: that way to you that we might be back in

944
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 4: the world and playing our role.

945
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 17: Well, yes, it's a good way of putting it.

946
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 20: Growing up.

947
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 17: Understanding the will is not the way we'd like it

948
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 17: to be. We have to deal with what we've got

949
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 17: and what we expect might be. Might it might look

950
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 17: like in a few years time.

951
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: The forces had to be stoked.

952
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 24: Sorry, the forces had.

953
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 17: I am told. I'm told that they are particularly stoked

954
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 17: yesterday afternoon, and I'm sure they'll be stoked today too.

955
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 17: But it's like they've had thirty five years, except for

956
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 17: that small period when Ron Mark was the minister and

957
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 17: he actually got them some some really good kit, but

958
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 17: they've had thirty five years of being gutted.

959
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: Frankly, and speaking of speaking Ron Mark, we had him

960
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 4: on the program earlier. He was suggesting it to ACT

961
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: in New Zealand.

962
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: First.

963
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: That has nudged you towards these sort of announcements, true

964
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Speaker 4: or not.

965
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 17: No, In fact, i'd say that it was something I've

966
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 17: been working on, as I'm sure you know, for about

967
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 17: the last year or so. But also I am very

968
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 17: very grateful for the support that I've had from both

969
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 17: ACT and you said it first, as well as my

970
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 17: caucus and cabinet colleagues. Understanding that this is big money.

971
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 17: We know it has to happen, but it's a coalition deal.

972
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 17: I'm very happy with the way that they have backed

973
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 17: me up on it.

974
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 4: Having watched the press conference yesterday, I know you're not

975
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: going to talk about the money, but just to just

976
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 4: to clear it up for people, because there is some

977
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: concern around wages and the fact that there are three

978
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 4: ships tied up because we've got no people. The wages

979
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 4: is a budget announcement which will be made in the

980
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 4: budget that is separate to the billions for ships and

981
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: planes and drones.

982
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 24: That's Friday.

983
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 17: Aware that last year we've got a big increase, particularly

984
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 17: for our let's say, not the brass, the people, the

985
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 17: ones who are less experienced, we got them a big increase.

986
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 17: And at the moment, the starting so are we going

987
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 17: into the military is about sixty five thousand something like

988
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 17: that plus said military as sorry as to say, plus

989
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 17: accommodation and free medical and all that from their first

990
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 17: start as trainees. But are in there they paus up

991
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 17: towards accommodation. But they do, however, still get free medical

992
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 17: in dital treatment as well as it. So that's not

993
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 17: a bad start at Savalary for someone out of school

994
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 17: or out of university.

995
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 4: I would agree on the qualifications thing, which wasn't part

996
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: of yesterday's announcement but was quietly dropped last year. Apparently

997
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 4: you just basically need to have gone to high school

998
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: for three years and you don't even need level one anymore.

999
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 4: Are you taking a risk in terms of talent or

1000
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 4: are these just people who didn't get along at school

1001
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: and the military might just be the magic for them.

1002
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 17: Well, I think it's the letter, and there's aren't mark

1003
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 17: to be well that he said, it's probably a home.

1004
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 17: I shouldn't really ensuring that I'm going to anyway, he said, Oh,

1005
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 17: under the way, it was a few years ago. He said,

1006
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 17: even I wouldn't be able to get in there as

1007
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 17: and he wouldn't be able to get in there. The

1008
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 17: fact is that we need people who will turn up,

1009
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 17: who will take orders, will are clever enough to understand

1010
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 17: what things mean, but also have an absolute passion willingness

1011
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 17: to learn and be part of defense force. So where

1012
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 17: are not someone's brilliant academically? That's not necessarily the first

1013
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 17: part of court, although that is also helpful.

1014
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, once again, budget you won't explain it,

1015
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: but you have the billions, and this is billions we

1016
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: don't have, and I'm a conservative and I worry about

1017
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: spending money we don't have. Will we be reassured come

1018
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 4: budget day that it at least makes sense?

1019
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 17: Yes, I'm very very confident in work at Nichol Willis's Bonance.

1020
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 17: Minister's done on this and I would say too too,

1021
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 17: is that in New Zealand Defense has eight hundred suppliers

1022
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 17: from New Zealand.

1023
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 21: Even now.

1024
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 17: The work that's going to be going into defeats industry here,

1025
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 17: particularly arounds of a high tech kit which some museum

1026
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 17: and businesses are already supplying. The off court.

1027
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 24: Military.

1028
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 17: We are going to be growing the economy and actually

1029
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 17: in a high teach way, not in we're not going

1030
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 17: to be building tanks, but we are going to be

1031
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 17: building drones.

1032
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: Good exciting times. Appreciate it very much. Defense Minister Judith

1033
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: Collins with us this morning, eighteen minutes away from eight

1034
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: Hostking Trump's now moved on to the EU.

1035
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 25: We have a deficit with the European Union of three

1036
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 25: hundred and fifty billion dollars and it's going to disappear fast.

1037
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 25: And one of the reasons, and one of the ways

1038
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 25: that that can disappear easily and quickly, is they're going

1039
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 25: to have to buy our energy from us because.

1040
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 21: They need it.

1041
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: They're going to have to buy it from us.

1042
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: They can buy it, We can knock off three hundred

1043
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 7: and fifty billion dollars in one week. They have to

1044
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 7: buy and commit to buy a like amount of energy,

1045
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 7: and we have that. You know, we have more energy

1046
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 7: than any country in the world.

1047
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know that.

1048
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: I see. This is the part I get. Just to

1049
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 4: try and reiterate and explain this one more time, that's

1050
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 4: the part I get. That's if you're not a free trader,

1051
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: which New Zealand is and he isn't, then that's the

1052
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 4: part you can line up alongside Trump. So if you've

1053
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: got a deficit with the place, let's say it's the EU,

1054
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: and the deficit is several hundred billion dollars, how do

1055
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: you counteract that they buy more of your stuff? Or

1056
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 4: you tariff them. They already tariff America. So in that sense,

1057
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: I get what Trump's trying to do. If they've got

1058
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 4: a twenty percent tariff, he'll match them at a twenty

1059
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: percent tariff. That part makes some sort of sense. The

1060
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: part that doesn't make sense, and they still haven't got

1061
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 4: to because Netna, who's still in the room is Netna

1062
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: who's dropped the tariffs. There are no tariffs, there is

1063
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 4: no deficit, there's no nothing so how come the tariffs

1064
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: haven't been dropped? In the American point of view, how

1065
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: is it that Vietnam can drop the tariffs and there

1066
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: is no reciprocal arrangement with the Americans. And none of

1067
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 4: that part makes sense. And that's why the world and

1068
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: the markets are up into it at the moment because

1069
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 4: no one can make sense of it. Not only can't

1070
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: they make sense of it, what they can't calculate, and

1071
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 4: this is a economist's top to bottom. They can't work

1072
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: out how they came up with the different numbers for

1073
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: all the different countries, whether or not there is a

1074
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: deficit or not. Australia doesn't have a deficit. Australia has

1075
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 4: a surplus. America gains by dealing with Australia. Yet Australia

1076
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: got whacked with the tariff. Why New Zealand is even

1077
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 4: Stevens it's a balanced portfolio. We got whacked with the tariff.

1078
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: Why and until they can explain that, which they can't

1079
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 4: and they won't because it's inexplicable, we're gonna have the trouble.

1080
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Speaker 4: We've got seven forty five.

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Speaker 2: Good The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: powered by news Talks, it be.

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Speaker 4: Twelve a way from it. I mentioned on the program

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Speaker 4: last week a clever Core, which was Fletcher Challenger's prefab facility,

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Speaker 4: and sadly it closed, and I ran it around the

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Speaker 4: idea that this is theory versus reality. In theory, if

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Speaker 4: we ran a poll and said, hey, if somebody came

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Speaker 4: up with an idea to make housing really cheap and affordable,

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Speaker 4: do you reckon that's a good idea, and in the

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Speaker 4: poll everyone to go, oh yeah, fantastic to get amongst that.

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Speaker 4: And of course in reality where snobs and we don't

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Speaker 4: want prefab housing, so it never went anywhere. So it's

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Speaker 4: very good piece in the Herald, and Gibson's written about

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Speaker 4: why Fletchers have spoken for the first time about why

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Speaker 4: Clevercor didn't work, and it's in many respects it's a

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Speaker 4: very sad story. It's going to close by June thirty.

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Speaker 4: Insufficient volumes, lack of commercial viability, the market downturn, industry reluctance,

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Speaker 4: and they've gone through a whole list of what went

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Speaker 4: wrong and they were doing it really well. So what

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Speaker 4: was sad about it is one they came up with

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Speaker 4: an idea, so theory Yep, it sounds good to me.

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Speaker 4: They actually started doing it and it worked. We got

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Speaker 4: to the stage where we could assemble not just one

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Speaker 4: home every two days, but three homes a day using

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Speaker 4: the principle of Kaizin Kisin's the famous Toyota thing, which is,

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Speaker 4: you know, continual improvement, three homes a day, bang bang

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Speaker 4: bang bang every day and at a cheaper rate. Why

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Speaker 4: didn't it get apped up? Why didn't it work? Why

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Speaker 4: wasn't it successful? Quote? A lot of people don't value time, safety,

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Speaker 4: your quality unless they're sold this. Customers simply don't know

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Speaker 4: what's possible. So is that on Fletchers for not selling

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Speaker 4: it in a way that people understood. Unlike the typical

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Speaker 4: builders merchant market, you don't get rebates or loyalty reward

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Speaker 4: programs or other incentives to use offsite manufacturing. Now, that's interesting,

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Speaker 4: So that may be a foible of the housing market.

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Speaker 4: In other words, you know, if you're just building a

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Speaker 4: house for the house's sake, jib's not giving you a

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Speaker 4: little bit of extra you know, trip to Fiji for

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Speaker 4: buying all the jib board stuff like that. So there

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Speaker 4: are some obviously some lessons learned, But read it in

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Speaker 4: the Herald Why Fletchers fifteen million dollar clevercre prefab house

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Speaker 4: building facility failed because the blok around at Steve Evans

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Speaker 4: is very sad and you make some very salient points

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Speaker 4: I would have thought on the housing market in general,

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Speaker 4: but it seemed to me one a clever idea, too

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Speaker 4: workable and was working, and yet they're closing the doors.

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Speaker 2: Ten away from it the Matehosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real

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Speaker 2: Estate eight News Talk.

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Speaker 4: They'd be still down about four hundred and something for

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Speaker 4: the morning thirty seven eight hundred issues. She'll be interesting

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Speaker 4: to see because we were catching up on the blood

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Speaker 4: bath at the weekend and there's still it's not as

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Speaker 4: big a blood bath this morning. But do we carry

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Speaker 4: on with the blood bath or does it get adjusted?

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Speaker 4: And given what happened in Asia yesterday, was that so

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Speaker 4: severe even they've got to find a bottom. So another

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Speaker 4: interesting day ahead anyway. The World of Wearable Arts is

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Speaker 4: back executive creative director Brian Burke, returning for US fourth show.

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Speaker 4: Now Brian Burke is whether it's Brian, very good morning.

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Speaker 24: To you, very good morning to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 24: having me, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I note you're on Cyndi Lauper's world tour at the moment.

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Speaker 4: She got a very good write up as reading in

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Speaker 4: the Australian Press yesterday. She seems to still at the

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Speaker 4: age of seventy, whatever she is, she still still seems

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Speaker 4: to be as good as she ever was.

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Speaker 24: She's absolutely she absolutely loves that. The audiences are loving it, knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 24: it's a very very successful farewell to her for her,

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Speaker 24: which we're very proud, whether it.

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Speaker 4: Be fashion or Cyndi Lauper or any stage show. What

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Speaker 4: I mean, the mind you must have seen as dramatic

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Speaker 4: in the ability of tick lighting, staging, the wow factor,

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Speaker 4: so it's not just a person in their guitar anymore.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: Well, when I sort of came into the world of

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Speaker 24: creative directing about twenty years ago, is when technology really

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Speaker 24: merged with everything, which meant there were so many more

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Speaker 24: possibilities to create worlds and transform music into visuals, you know.

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Speaker 24: So that's really sort of been my thing since I

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Speaker 24: started years ago in two thousand and two in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 24: So visuals with music and I just seem to connect

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Speaker 24: to as artists and companies that really want to elevate

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Speaker 24: creative and I think technology is a great way to

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Speaker 24: do that because it really brings people closer to an

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Speaker 24: experience that they can have, which is what people want

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Speaker 24: now we know they want an experience, not to just

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Speaker 24: sit and watch a show.

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Speaker 4: As you go.

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Speaker 1: Now that's what I like to bring me.

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Speaker 4: Sure, as you go into the fourth round of Wearable

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Speaker 4: Arts you're feeling the pressure. Do you have to come

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Speaker 4: up with something bigger, bitter and brighter every year?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 24: I don't feel the pressure though. It's such a pleasure

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Speaker 24: to It's great to have a wonderful creative forum where

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Speaker 24: every year it's fresh, every year it's different, but yet

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Speaker 24: we always hold on to the DNA because the designs

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Speaker 24: come from all over the world and they're different. So

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Speaker 24: we really work and seed off of that creativity to

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Speaker 24: bring something new and fresh to the audience and surprising

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Speaker 24: every year here in New Zealand. So it's really a

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Speaker 24: pleasure to be able to be that creative and bring

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Speaker 24: that to an audience.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic looking forward to it as always go well with

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Speaker 4: the fourth later on this year of course will the

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Speaker 4: Wearable Arts. It's a big ticket item and well which

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Speaker 4: said goes like that. Brian Burke, who's the creative director,

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Speaker 4: of course, four minutes away from eight. Well, having been

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Speaker 4: on the yellow chairs now for what seems like about

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Speaker 4: three and a half years, he's got a new plane

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Speaker 4: on his coffee table this morning, by the way, a

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Speaker 4: big model plane on his coffee table. That not reference

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Speaker 4: to that. But he has finally got to the business

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Speaker 4: of Israeli tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're talking about a whole du traade.

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Speaker 7: Maybe not, maybe not. Don't forget. We help Israel alive.

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Speaker 7: You know, we give Isel four billion dollars a year.

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Speaker 26: That's a lot like congratulations, by the way, answer, But

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Speaker 26: we give Israel billions of dollars a year, billions, it's

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Speaker 26: one of the highest of But we take good care

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Speaker 26: of our friends, and we don't take care of our enemies.

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Speaker 7: We're not taking care of our enemies anymore, but we

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Speaker 7: do take care.

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Speaker 4: Of our friends. So what I mean, it's crap. He's

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Speaker 4: just talking complete crap. He's got to going next to him,

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Speaker 4: who's cut the tariffs to zero, and they've seen, what

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Speaker 4: are you going to do?

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Speaker 27: Well, we see, maybe we see We're give them billions,

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Speaker 27: and so many billions. I've never seen so many billions. Oh,

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Speaker 27: the billions came out and voted for Trump. Every billion

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Speaker 27: came out and voted for Trump, and.

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Speaker 3: So there's no answer.

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Speaker 4: What do you do with that goodness? Saying Bruce Hornsby,

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Speaker 4: what a trick that's going to be after the news,

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Speaker 4: which is next.

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Speaker 2: The news and the newsmakers the mic asking breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Bailey's real estate, your local experts across residential, commercial and

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Speaker 2: rural news talks head been.

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Speaker 3: What's that you say? It is?

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Speaker 4: Seven past day. Bruce Hornsby has a style on the

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Speaker 4: piano you can recognize anywhere, anytime. The way it is

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Speaker 4: was the start, of course, but surely Scenes from the

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Speaker 4: south Side is as good as any album anywhere ever.

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Speaker 4: He's collaborated with everyone hung out for years with a

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Speaker 4: grateful dead co written with the best and still to

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Speaker 4: us it's a crime we've never really had him on

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Speaker 4: the program before, but we can fix that now. Bruce

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Speaker 4: Hornsby is with us. Good morning and to you.

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Speaker 24: I love.

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Speaker 4: Just just for reference, we've been talking about my name

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Speaker 4: off here, I have you, I don't even know where

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Speaker 4: to start up, and trying to talk to you for

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Speaker 4: for forty something years. I'm a massive fan see see

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Speaker 4: scenes from that let me tell you the story. So

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Speaker 4: scenes CDs came into my life in the eighties. Right,

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Speaker 4: first CD I of A bought was Griceland Paul Simon

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Speaker 4: ye second album, Scenes from the south Side, still as

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Speaker 4: good as it gets. Did you not when Scenes from

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Speaker 4: the south Side came out? Did you know you had something? Mega?

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Speaker 21: I wouldn't say I knew that. I never know anything.

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Speaker 21: I'm too close to it. It's hard to keep perspective

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Speaker 21: on something that people ask me what it's like to

1243
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Speaker 21: make a record. I say, and take your all time

1244
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Speaker 21: favorite song that you love more than any song, and

1245
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 21: imagine somebody straps you into a chair and forces you

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Speaker 21: to listen to that song a thousand times. Several things

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Speaker 21: would happen. One, you'd never want to hear it again.

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Speaker 21: You'd be totally burnt with it. Two, you would be

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Speaker 21: becoming numb to it. And in the face of that

1250
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 21: massive repetition that is making records, Uh, you have to

1251
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Speaker 21: retain some sort of objectivity about it. And that's incredibly

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Speaker 21: difficult because of what I just said. So people go, wow,

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Speaker 21: I hope I never make a record again after that description. So, yeah, no,

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Speaker 21: I did not know. That's my long winded answer to say, no,

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Speaker 21: I didn't know. My second record, Sceat from the South

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Speaker 21: Side was was my attempt to cement the idea that

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Speaker 21: this is my sound for what it's worth a lend

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Speaker 21: drum machine and a piano, and so that's what I

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Speaker 21: did deliver them.

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Speaker 4: So, having followed you, what you seem to do more

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Speaker 4: these days is experiment your musically experimentally you're do you

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Speaker 4: know this why music that you're doing in the collaborations?

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Speaker 4: How has commercial or how did commercial success sit with

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Speaker 4: you juxtaposed with your desire just to do what you

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Speaker 4: want to do musically.

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Speaker 21: Well, I was always pretty bad at it. That was

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Speaker 21: a pretty bad quote unquote pop star. I used to

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Speaker 21: just say, as the Brits would say, maybe you use

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Speaker 21: this phrase too. We used to just take the piss

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Speaker 21: out of it and not take it too seriously, maybe

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Speaker 21: to our detriment. People would go, why are you guys

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Speaker 21: doing this in your videos? Why are you just having

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Speaker 21: your friends dancing around? I said, well, because it's just

1274
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Speaker 21: an excuse to get my friends on MTV. I we

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Speaker 21: don't care about the rest of it. So again I

1276
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Speaker 21: was not a great personality in that way. I didn't

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Speaker 21: care about it.

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Speaker 3: But the success.

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Speaker 21: Look, I was going to do what I was going

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Speaker 21: to do, whether it's successful or not. I mean, I've

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Speaker 21: just always been a musician first, and I was a

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Speaker 21: bit of a creatively restless soul, and it's just gradually moved.

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Speaker 21: You mentioned recently, and certainly recently, my records have been

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Speaker 21: more adventurous, much to the chagrin of a lot of

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Speaker 21: my longtime fans, who would prefer I do. Like a

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Speaker 21: whole lot of other people who came out in the

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Speaker 21: eighties or the seventies, who make the same record stylistically

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Speaker 21: every time. Now that's basically what their longtime fans want.

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Speaker 21: That's a total prison creatively for me, So I could

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Speaker 21: never do it. I'm just interested in evolving and pushing.

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Speaker 21: So when I lose, hopefully, when I lose a certain

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Speaker 21: old time fan that he just hates it, hopefully I

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Speaker 21: garner some newer and most likely younger fan who goes, Wow,

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Speaker 21: this is not this is not who who we thought

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Speaker 21: this guy was, and we like this new guy better.

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Speaker 4: Do you have that ongoing issue with your audience? Because

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Speaker 4: I was watching a thing you did last year in

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Speaker 4: the BBC. You know where you record with an Augustra

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Speaker 4: and you've done this for years each it's the same song.

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Speaker 4: It's the hit song, but the intro will be different,

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Speaker 4: the way you sing it it'll be different. Is that

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Speaker 4: this is what you do and that's that, and the

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Speaker 4: audience can love it or height it. That's life.

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Speaker 21: Well, I feel like that's that's very that's a fairly

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Speaker 21: conservative move, relatively on my part. The way I play,

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Speaker 21: the way it is what you're referring to, I'm sure

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Speaker 21: related to other things I do, so I don't know

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Speaker 21: what to say about that if if someone thinks that

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Speaker 21: my version of the way it is that I played

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Speaker 21: with the BBC Radio Orchestra last year live across the UK,

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Speaker 21: along with two other songs mine Yes, Yeah. One of

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Speaker 21: them was a big hit in America. Song I wrote

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Speaker 21: with Don Henley was a hit for him, The End

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Speaker 21: of the Innocence. The other one is also notable in

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Speaker 21: a different way, but in more of an indie underground way.

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Speaker 21: Several years ago I was reached out by the great

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Speaker 21: Justin Burnon of the great indie band Boney Vere, who

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Speaker 21: comes over there and plays at least Australia. They probably

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Speaker 21: come to New Zealand as well. They do very well there.

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Speaker 21: They played this in the Opera House, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 21: and I started working with him.

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Speaker 28: It was just like when I was coming up, I've

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Speaker 28: got reached out. I was reached out to by a

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Speaker 28: lot of my heroes. I ended up working with a

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Speaker 28: lot of my heroes. And that was sort of painting

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Speaker 28: yourself into the mural that you'd been looking at as

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Speaker 28: a young man, and all of a sudden, you're in it,

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Speaker 28: and that was I get you. I was thinking about that,

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Speaker 28: but then it reversed for me in a beautiful way.

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Speaker 28: Younger musicians, spearheaded by this one guy who was a

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Speaker 28: big deal in the indie world.

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Speaker 21: I started working with all these younger musicians that for

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Speaker 21: whom I had been an inspiration to them when they

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Speaker 21: were coming up. So again it flipped around, and so

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Speaker 21: I played a song I wrote, I wrote with justin Vernon,

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Speaker 21: and we did a duet, a duet on this song

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Speaker 21: called cast Up, and that was the third song.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was indeed. I'd recommend anyone got to say it.

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Speaker 4: Just just look it up as really available to the

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Speaker 4: BBC Radio Orchestra from last year Alive in Front, just

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Speaker 4: broadcast right around the country. More from Bruce Hornsby just

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Speaker 4: a couple of moments in the team Past the Mic.

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Speaker 2: Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio, cowed by

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Speaker 4: Zippy News Talk Zippy sixteen Past Day Bruce Hornsby, Well, this,

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Speaker 4: by the way, Bruce, you know, I obviously you're at

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Speaker 4: the University of Miami this week. You're performing your alumni

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Speaker 4: so you're going to be doing and this goes to

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Speaker 4: favorite songs the way it is, right, So that's the

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Speaker 4: song that people want. We had Billy Joel on the

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Speaker 4: program last year and I talked to him about piano Man,

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 4: and he doesn't like piano man. He doesn't like performing it.

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Speaker 4: What's your relationship with a song like that that you

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 4: must have played like a million times?

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Speaker 21: Well, as you you you refer to this before because

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Speaker 21: you heard my version. Now we I have three or

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Speaker 21: four or five different ways of playing the songs, and

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Speaker 21: so that that's my way to guard against burnout, guard

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 21: against what mister Joel there was talking about. But anyone

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Speaker 21: can relate to that. It's it's so obviously it's such

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Speaker 21: an all story, the old oh well, you've got to

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Speaker 21: do the hit thing. But for many years. I was

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Speaker 21: pretty mean about it in the teens of this century,

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Speaker 21: maybe even the oughts, when I would not play any

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Speaker 21: of those songs. Now you have to understand my career

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Speaker 21: is again using the word disparate. It stylistically been all

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Speaker 21: over the map. And one of my main sort of

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Speaker 21: top five resume items in the world is that I

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 21: played with The Grateful Dead for eighteen twenty months. And

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Speaker 21: so I was always an improviser. I'm improvising on the

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Speaker 21: way it is on the radio. That doesn't happen. It

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Speaker 21: was a wonderful accident that happened. So but that's who

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Speaker 21: I am.

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Speaker 16: So I am not.

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Speaker 21: I'm not a great vehicle for your stroll down memory lane.

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 21: But I'm not bad. I've gotten nicer. I've got kinder

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Speaker 21: about it in my diligage.

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Speaker 4: I love it when you go back to the University

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Speaker 4: of Miami in a week or so, the Frost School

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Speaker 4: of Music is that is there something that let.

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Speaker 21: Me let me say one thing about that before you

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Speaker 21: ask the question. Sorry to buddy, uh, you just said,

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Speaker 21: and you're playing the weddest that was my choice. I

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Speaker 21: just I said, hey, I'll just do that with this

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01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 21: beautiful string orchestra arrangement that I played with the BBC

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Speaker 21: with the orchestra there, so that that wasn't them saying

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Speaker 21: requiring or that, because if they required that, I would

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Speaker 21: have just said, hey, well no, sorry, I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 21: I don't care that much about any of this. But

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Speaker 21: I did it just just to make it easy good

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Speaker 21: for everybody. So that's that's the reason, sorry.

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Speaker 18: Go ahead, not at all?

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Speaker 4: Is that you giving back this the the alumni returns.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what a thrill it must be for them

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 4: to know when you went there and be your back

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Speaker 4: giving to this this this Frost School of Music.

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Speaker 21: Well, I don't know how much of a thrill that

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Speaker 21: is for anybody there, but they asked that.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 21: The reason I the reason I said yes, it's because

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Speaker 21: I've been saying no to them for several years. I

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Speaker 21: started a program. I endowed a program at my old school,

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Speaker 21: Sun Tan you is what we used to call it

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 21: in Florida, Florida there and this is this is a

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Speaker 21: program called the Creative American Music Program CAN the CAM program,

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Speaker 21: and it's a songwriter's program where where you're taught to

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Speaker 21: if you're taught the basic traditions of old time American

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Speaker 21: music that had been formed, the rock and R and B,

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Speaker 21: soul world, uh, pop whatever, anything coming out of America

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Speaker 21: or most anything has been influenced or come from that

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Speaker 21: deep well of old time gut bucket, nasty old American

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01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 21: folk and blues and bluegrass, country, Cajun, on and on.

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Speaker 21: So so I started this program, funded it down there

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Speaker 21: and uh and so that's that's that's really My.

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Speaker 4: Giving back is fantastic.

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Speaker 21: That's a very deep contribution. I feel I'm not trying

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Speaker 21: to pad myself from the back, but that compared to

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Speaker 21: just doing a gig for their centennial celebration, that's fine,

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Speaker 21: it's fine. But no, what I did about fifteen years

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Speaker 21: ago is my my giving back moment to you.

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Speaker 4: N It's brilliant. What you haven't done, Bruce Hornsby is

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Speaker 4: too in New Zealand. I don't know that we can

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Speaker 4: ever fix that, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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Speaker 4: what a joy to meet and talk with you, and

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Speaker 4: if you ever come here, you more than welcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to do it.

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Speaker 29: My son.

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Speaker 21: I have a Sunday play. Who's who just retired from

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Speaker 21: playing pro basketball is a very good player at the

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Speaker 21: great LSU Louisiana State University. In college, he spent five

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Speaker 21: years in Europe and he had a couple of opportunities,

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Speaker 21: potential opportunities to come there. One was to play for

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Speaker 21: a team into that area, never New Zealand. But the

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Speaker 21: Tasmanian jump Jack asked, we're recruiting him. His main thing

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Speaker 21: was Melbourne United made him an offer about a year ago,

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Speaker 21: year and a half ago. It was a slow offers,

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Speaker 21: about half what he was making in Europe, so he

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Speaker 21: didn't take it. But a few days after turning it down,

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Speaker 21: he thought the better of him. Said men, I've always

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Speaker 21: wanted to come to play in Australia. And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 21: I've always wanted to play. I would if you go,

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Speaker 21: I will definitely book a tour. But he he what

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Speaker 21: he So he called him back and said, hey, sorry,

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Speaker 21: I reconsider. They said they've already moved. Oh no, that

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Speaker 21: would have been my moment to come.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic. Listen real throw Bruce terrific to with you, meet

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Speaker 4: you and maybe we can do it again sometime.

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Speaker 21: Sounds good? Okay, make facts and.

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Speaker 4: Nicole, that was worth forty years worth of Wait, I

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Speaker 4: reckon and what's what's with Melbourne University in the crappy

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Speaker 4: ov Come on, it needs to be delved into another day.

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Speaker 4: Bruce Hornsburg.

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Speaker 4: Lovely bloke. What a trick to hear one of the

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Speaker 4: most accomplished musicians of our time. Mike made my day,

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Speaker 4: week and year to who hear Bruce talk about himself?

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Speaker 4: Thank you Doug working for OURCA and eighty six. Mic

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Speaker 4: I put a demo cassette of this guy Hornsby in

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Speaker 4: my car stereo and just went well. He is one

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Speaker 4: of the best. Speaking of which Rod little out of

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Speaker 4: the UK, what's Starmer going to do about the tariffs

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Speaker 4: Talk said, so what do we do by way retaliation?

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Speaker 4: Talked to Catherine earlier on with the EU and the France,

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Speaker 4: French looking to hit the services sector and the EU

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Speaker 4: coming with some sort of retaileratory measure later on in

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Speaker 4: the week. Meantime, Starmer still bangs on about free trade.

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Speaker 6: We will keep calm and fight for the best deal

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Speaker 6: with the US, and we've been discussing that intensely over

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Speaker 6: work with our key partners to reduce barriers to trade

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Speaker 6: open trade right across the globe. I just like car building,

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Speaker 4: On it now.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance for New Zealand business,

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: the Medal of Guthering.

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Speaker 4: You came Rod liveles Well US morning might go on

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 4: in to you mate. So I was watching Keir Starmer

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01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 4: and do the Chancellor standing at the lane lander of

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01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 4: a Jaguar factory earlier on today. What what are we waiting?

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 4: What are we waiting for? Is he going to do something?

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Speaker 4: Is he part of Europe? Has he got a plan?

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 4: Has he got numbers? What where are we at? It's

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 4: a cring plan.

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Speaker 29: Mike is going to do nothing and it's it may

1515
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 29: be the best thing to do, because that has been

1516
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 29: the policy all the way through since Donald Trump was elected,

1517
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 29: which is when Donald Trump does something, do nothing and

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01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 29: it's worked, and it worked, and it's got us you know,

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01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 29: these ten percent only ten percent terrast rather than whatever

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Speaker 29: one hundred and nine percent whatever Chines has got. At

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 29: the moment, it's kind of worked. They're playing it very kelly.

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 29: They're offering support to the various British industries which might

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 29: have been hurt by this, such as the car manufacturers.

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01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 29: We still make about nine cars per year, so.

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Speaker 4: And it is working.

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Speaker 29: By refusing to react to the way that the markets

1527
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 29: have reacted the way that many foreign politicians have reacted,

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 29: it keeps us kind of on site with the USA

1529
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 29: and not too distraight from Europe, you know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so if you accept that, that's fair enough, we've

1531
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 4: done the same thing, of course, but we've done the

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01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 4: same thing because we're a small island nation at the

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: bottom of the world. With firming in people, we can't

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Speaker 4: do anything else. But when stars standing there, hey Jaguar Landrover,

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 4: and he goes, I've got your back, what does that mean?

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Speaker 29: Well, you would assume that it means, if you're Jack

1537
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 29: your androver, that he will bail them out of their problems.

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01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 29: It's a long time since the Labor government, or indeed

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01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 29: any government bailed out industry for its failures to adapt

1540
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 29: to change in markets. That has been a kind of

1541
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 29: given for the last forty years. But perhaps you will,

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01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 29: perhaps he will on this, and that's that's all. We

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01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 29: don't know, you know. And various members of the Labor

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01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 29: government have been interviewed on on the BBC on various

1545
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 29: other channels and asked what actually you're going to do

1546
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 29: and they said, wow, it would be ill advised of

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01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 29: us to tell you exactly. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 29: to do anything right.

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Speaker 4: Okay for the moment, okay, but if they're suddenly in

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Speaker 4: the business of saving jobs, are they saving the jobs?

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01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 4: British Steel as well, which I read over the weekend,

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01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 4: is about to tip out twenty seven hundred people and

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01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 4: can they afford to do that at a time of

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Speaker 4: local body elections and all of that sort of thing.

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Speaker 29: I think British Steel is in a different situation and

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01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 29: the Labor Party has a certain reputation for selling out

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Speaker 29: British Steel. It did so in two thousand and eight

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Speaker 29: and nine when the works up in Redica and Middlesbrough

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01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 29: were up for grabs and there was no support from

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Speaker 29: the government at all. I think for I think the

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01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 29: difference will be for specialist marquee brands that there will

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Speaker 29: be some sort of support. But at the same time

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01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 29: there is also the optimism that we might make a

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 29: bit of hay while the sunshines, given that we have

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 29: fewer restrictions on us lower tariff than any other country

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Speaker 29: in the world.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Dan Norris probably wasn't the best headline the Labor

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01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 4: Party got ahead over the weekend.

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Speaker 29: Pretty dreadful. This is a guy who is a mayor

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Speaker 29: of the West of England and also a Labor p

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 29: He evicted the famous Jacob Riis mog from northeast Somerset

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Speaker 29: and he's now been arrested. And the charge is a

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01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 29: pretty grotesque Its rape, child abduction and misconduct in a

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01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 29: public office. And these aren't historic. The rape charge relates

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01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 29: to the twenty twenties. The Labor Party was very quick,

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01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 29: the government was very quick in kicking him out and

1577
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 29: saying he's no longer part of us. But it's another

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01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 29: it's another one of those things, which just adds to

1579
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 29: the annoyance and disgust with the government because for all

1580
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 29: of Keir Starmer's really good work, and it has been

1581
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 29: good work on the world stage and in Europe and

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01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 29: in America, it doesn't really translate into popular vote. No, no,

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 29: it's a real problem.

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 4: Having said that, I noticed bed Knock yesterday arrived of

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01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: the weekend, said that don't expect too much in these

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 4: local body elections. I referenced the moment ago. Would Labor

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01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: be expecting some sort of pushback from the national program

1589
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 4: or are they going to do okay?

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Speaker 29: I think they're going to do quite badly, but not

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01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 29: as badly as the Tories. The people who will gain

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 29: from this will be Reform. You don't have a great

1593
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 29: track record in local council elections, very few local council members.

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01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 29: I think they will end up with quite a few,

1595
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 29: and that will concentrate the minds of both Labor and

1596
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,799
Speaker 29: indeed the Tories about who they have to be fighting

1597
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 29: next time around.

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Speaker 4: Quick word on the weather, rod, I'm seeing an increasing

1599
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 4: number of it's going to be as warm as s Gunthorpe,

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Speaker 4: as warm as Tinerife, as warm as Greece. As you know,

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01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 4: pickuplaf is that warm and dry. Its beautiful.

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01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 29: It's warm and dry and it's been beautiful, and it

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01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 29: also means it's been the driest March since nineteen sixty one.

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 29: So the farmers are up in arms. This is the

1605
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 29: unheard of headline United Kingdom no rain shock, and there

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01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 29: has been no rain and it is a problem for

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 29: the farmers at the moment though Easter weekend coming up.

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 29: Everyone is very very happy about it.

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Speaker 4: As you should be go well, we'll catch up Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Rod Little out of the UK at sixteen to night.

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Speaker 2: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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1613
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Speaker 4: At be good questions from you as always. Mike Trump

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 4: won't drop tariffs against Vietnam because many products are Chinese

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01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 4: they seen to Vietnam label them in Vietnamese. I'm not

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01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 4: sure that's one hundred percent true. A lot of stuff

1617
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: gets washed through and I alluded this to this yesterday

1618
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 4: with Northern Ireland. So they'll wash a lot of stuff

1619
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 4: through Northern Ireland depending on whether you're from the EU

1620
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 4: or whether you're from the UK. Given the EU's got

1621
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: twenty percent and the UK's got ten percent more likely

1622
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 4: what happens in Vietnam is a lot of countries repair

1623
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 4: a lot of companies rather repatriated themselves to Vietnam to

1624
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 4: avoid the tariffs. So it's not an anti Chinese thing.

1625
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 4: These companies were trying to do the right thing, get

1626
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 4: to the cheap labor markets plus also not have the

1627
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 4: tariffs to hinder their production. Then that's before you get

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01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 4: to the Vietnamese situation of companies like Nike, which have

1629
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 4: gone to those countries for labor reasons and no other reasons,

1630
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 4: and they have stuck with this thing as well well.

1631
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 4: Next question, can someone explain with the ceasefire negotiations for

1632
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 4: Ukraine have gone quiet? Exactly? And this is sort of

1633
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: what the Trump team try and do. The chaka or

1634
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 4: blitzkrieg just bombbarred you with so much information you forget

1635
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 4: about the main prize. And so he was going to

1636
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 4: fix the war on day one, which of course blatantly

1637
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 4: hasn't happened and isn't And the last time we heard

1638
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 4: from him on the subject was indeed last week, a

1639
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 4: week ago, whereby he was quote very angry and quote

1640
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 4: piessed off with Putin and nothing's happened. Literally, nothing's happened,

1641
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 4: and so that's how these things are unfold by the way,

1642
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: and what I hadn't realized. The other thing he's claiming

1643
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 4: victory on at the moment, which doesn't appear to be

1644
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 4: quite as successful as he would claim. What a shock

1645
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 4: is the Hootie attack. So he came out of nowhere

1646
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 4: a couple of weekends ago and said, a bomb, a bomb,

1647
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: the Hooties will sort that one out, the Red Sea,

1648
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff, which was good because I've

1649
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 4: asked on this program. I mean, this has been going

1650
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 4: on for a couple of years now, and I've asked

1651
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 4: several times, where is the world's military. How is it

1652
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 4: you can take one of the great shipping lanes of

1653
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 4: the world, have it hijacked by terrorists and not seemingly

1654
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 4: want to do anything about it. So he starts bombing

1655
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,919
Speaker 4: them a couple of weekends ago. I find out yesterday

1656
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 4: that so far in the last three weeks, they've spent

1657
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: a billion dollars on doing this, you know, bombs, missiles,

1658
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. The billion dollars, and as

1659
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 4: far as I can work out, for no real gain whatsoever,

1660
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 4: the Pentagon will likely need to request supplemental funding from

1661
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 4: Congress to carry on with this. The offensive has already

1662
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 4: been criticized on both sides of the aisle JD Vance.

1663
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 4: In fact, jd Vance said he thought the operation was

1664
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 4: a mistake. That was in the signal chat published by

1665
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 4: the Atlantic last week. So whoops, the Pentagon's not publicly

1666
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 4: disclosed what impact that these strikes are actually having. This

1667
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,799
Speaker 4: is going on on a daily basis.

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 30: By the way, today he was sort of talking about

1669
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 30: it and mentioned that it was keeping them awake at night. Yeah,

1670
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 30: these wouldn't be able to get a good night's sleep

1671
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 30: because they've got bombs landing on them.

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01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 4: What they haven't done, though, is that they have acknowledged

1673
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 4: that they've still been able to quote fortify their bunkers

1674
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 4: and maintain weapons stockpiles underground. So a billion in counting

1675
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 4: more money they don't have from Congress. Yes, they're awake

1676
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 4: at night. Yes, according to jd it's a mistake, but

1677
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 4: unfortunately not being successful so far.

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01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: Night Away from nine, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the

1679
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: Range Rover of the LA News talks dead b So the.

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 4: Yellow cheers in, the Yellow Cheers in with any you

1681
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 4: know closure, what with.

1682
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 18: Style falling out over Well, I've dropped my tariffs.

1683
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 4: Okay, well I'll drop ours as well. Or did he

1684
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 4: mention Putin or peace or the war or anything?

1685
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 18: He thinks that the war in Gaza will be over

1686
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 18: very soon.

1687
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 4: We're still running that line. What about eggs? Do you

1688
01:25:59,360 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 4: talk about eggs?

1689
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 18: That was earlier on when he was hosting the baseball players.

1690
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 4: Okay, when I.

1691
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 11: Came to office, they said the eggs are very gone

1692
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 11: through the roof eggs.

1693
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 4: Said, what the hell are they talking about?

1694
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 11: I was there for four days and they were blaming

1695
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 11: me for eggs, and they had They've gone up like

1696
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 11: six times.

1697
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: Or something with some record number. You couldn't get him.

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01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 11: And I just saw the other day they're down seventy

1699
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 11: three percent.

1700
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: Right, that's pretty good.

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01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 4: Are they clapping?

1702
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,919
Speaker 18: Because they'll take anything At this point, I reckon.

1703
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 4: He says. I was watching him play golf yesterday and

1704
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 4: it was a horrible looking day in Florida, windy as hell. Anyway,

1705
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 4: he hit this ball. He's got the weirdest swing, but

1706
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 4: he hit this ball and you had no idea what

1707
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,799
Speaker 4: the ball when? And everyone claps and goes great shatzer

1708
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 4: great shotser. He just like, how many people we got

1709
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 4: sat great shotser. There's eight of them today, great shotser.

1710
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 4: They're talking now in Australia about by the way, just

1711
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 4: before I leave Trump, He's just, he's just. That was

1712
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 4: the other question I was going to ask, when do

1713
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,839
Speaker 4: we stop calling it X which used to be called Twitter.

1714
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 4: They changed their name in twenty twenty three. The middle

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01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, we're coming up to the two

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Speaker 4: year anniversary of X. Surely we need to stop saying

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Speaker 4: X which used to be called Twitter, because we've moved

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Speaker 4: past that. Anyway, He's on truth Social which is not

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01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 4: X or indeed Twitter. The United States has a chance

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01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 4: to do something that should have been done decades ago.

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01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 4: Don't be weak, don't be stupid, don't be Pannikin. It's

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Speaker 4: a new party. These are his words. A new party

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Speaker 4: based on weak and stupid people. Pannikin, be strong, courageous

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01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 4: and patient, and greatness will result. I could have been

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01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 4: reading a RhoD Dull book, then, couldn't I dang you

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01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 4: reckon the gruffaloes, the ruffaloes, all the other weirds stuff.

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01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 4: It's five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now will chemist? Whereuse the home of big brand

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Speaker 1: ftamens and the full.

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Speaker 4: Moon came out and the Pannikins arrived. U where are we? Mission?

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Speaker 4: Impossible to talking about this yesterday? And who would note?

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Speaker 4: I mean they must have heard me, because overnight the

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Speaker 4: first official trailer, not teaser trailer, the final rickoning.

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Speaker 3: What exactly is your plan?

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Speaker 31: All your secrets compromised, Everything you are, everything you've done,

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01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 31: has come to this.

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Speaker 3: You gave him an aircraft carrier. This is you're calling

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Speaker 3: your destiny. I have an obgrant, Lisa.

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:46,799
Speaker 4: I need you to trust me one last time. Everyone

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01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 4: wandering around whispering, well, did.

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Speaker 1: They give you an aircraft carrier?

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01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 21: Yes?

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Speaker 4: You tell it's incredible.

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01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 19: Trust me.

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Speaker 4: They got through all the missions he's done over the years,

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01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of missions, and they show a

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01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 4: lot of the stunts and a lot of stunts as well.

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01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 4: The big stunt in this particular movies hanging upside down

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Speaker 4: on a prop plane wing, holding on with one hand.

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Speaker 4: And the thing about him, if you didn't know this,

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01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 4: he does all with stuff himself because he's cool. Even

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Speaker 4: though he didn't know this.

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Speaker 18: Who doesn't know that?

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01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 4: Well exactly? I think that's like that's the most he does.

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Speaker 30: He might be surprised to learn that he also runs

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01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 30: very fast. He runs point in the trailer as well.

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Speaker 4: The twenty third of May is when it'll be out

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Speaker 4: in theaters. That was the last time I went to

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Speaker 4: the movies, because it was July of twenty three when

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01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 4: the last movie went out, and the missus and I

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01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 4: held hands, bought nace crew and went to the local

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Speaker 4: theater and watched that movie. And I'll probably repeat the

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Speaker 4: performance to be there right. That is us back tomorrow

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Speaker 4: morning from six as always, tepping

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