1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: As far as the borders consumed police, custom is going 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: to partner with the international agencies on this new task force. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Jamie Bamford is the Customs Deputy Chief Executive Operations and 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: as well, there's Jamie morning. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: One. 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Are we on the right track here? 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Is there something there's something material going to come out 8 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: of us? 9 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: Yes? I think so. I think this is just about 10 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: making New Zealand harder to reach for organized crime and 11 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: just hardening the border, and I think that will have 12 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: an effect. We have some excellent relationships with our international 13 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: partners which see them sees drugs headed towards New Zealand. 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: Just this year alone, nine hundred kilos of maths seized 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: by our partners headed for New Zealand. 16 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: See. The thing that makes me suspicious of all of 17 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: this is we should be doing this any way. Is 18 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: this something we're lacking? Is it attitude or money or 19 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: equipment or resource or what. 20 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: No, we are doing it already. What we're facing is 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: scale and an aggressive, well funded, agile organized crime. You know, 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: they move at the pace of technology. We kind of 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: move at the pace of the law. That's why we 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: have some sort of legislation hopefully about to hit the house. 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: But I think this will give us the ability to 26 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: breach some gaps and as we talk about the Pacific, 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: actually be a bit more proactive, have more presence out 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: there on that vast ocean. That just makes it, again 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: New Zealand harder to reach. 30 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: What's the bigger problem from your point of view? Is 31 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: it the demand or is it the supply? 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: Probably, to be honest, I think this is quite a 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: supply driven issue. You know, organized crime is very entrepreneurial. 34 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: They see a market, we pay amongst the highest prices 35 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: in the world, they flood us. And then obviously we 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: have gangs here who are quite happy to payd all 37 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: this misery to some of our poorer areas. And then 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: it takes off and you know, we pay, as I say, 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: amongst the highest prices in the world. We're about one 40 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand dollars for a killer of meth wholesale. 41 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: It's about five to seven thousand dollars in the States. 42 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Are we stupid? I mean, explain to me why not 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: only do we want to inhale methyl, take myth or 44 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: whatever the case, but we're prepared to pay over the 45 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: odd sport? How stupid, are we? 46 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't really comment on that on that mic, 47 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: but obviously, you know the I think the gangs see 48 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: the profit in it and they push it. And there's 49 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, sort of some evidence about them pushing that 50 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: rather than a good old cannabis, et cetera, because there's 51 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: more of a margin in it, and when they've got 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: your captives, they can kind of get you hooked and 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: exploit you. 54 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Well, I wish you were with it as well, James. God, 55 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: it's depressing as them. 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