1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Alway, the Reserve Band kept their promised to cut the 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: official cash rate yesterday afternoon, dropping twenty five basis points 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: to three point five percent. Nikola Willis has welcomed the news. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: She says she's keeping a close eye on the ongoing 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: global economic instability ahead of this year's budget. They but meanwhile, 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: and Barbara Edmonds says that they should be spending a 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: bit more right now to help us through this bad 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: time and joining us is Infometrics principal economists Brad Olsen 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: and good morning to you. Brad. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: Good morning. 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: So in your opinion, this was the right move, Yes. 12 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Very much the right move, very sensible and in line 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: what the Reserve Bank has been talking about previously anyway, 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: And I think that's important because when we've been looking 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: through all of the last couple of days, what's become 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: very clear and again very clear this morning, is all 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: of this can change in an instance. So I think 18 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: for the Reserve Bank, they made it very clear that 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: they are looking closely at the tariffs. They're trying to 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: understand all of those trials and tribulations, but at the 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 2: same time they're not willing to make a ration move. 22 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: They're just trying to understand what's going on. 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: First, all right, well, the tap was said the whole 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: thing when I was talking about this yesterday. We're going, yes, 25 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: if you're going to offer certainty to business, just keep 26 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: going with the plan. Because the plan is an extreme 27 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: zero point twenty five. So that's all right. But we 28 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of know what the Reserve Bank thought 29 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: about the global economy. We had tariffs coming into effect 30 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. Economists are alsaying they don't know what they're 31 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: going to do to the economy. Did you get any 32 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: better picture from the Reserve Bank? 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: There was a little bit more clarity in there. We 34 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: still didn't expect them to have a full, full understanding, 35 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: and I think again i'd rather they came out in 36 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: May when they do their next month policy statement, with 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: a full suite of forecast, with a whole bunch of 38 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: information that have had time to digest. Also, of course, 39 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: the changes that have even come through over night, I 40 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: mean a pause to the tariffs, but also ratching up 41 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: tensions on China changes the game again for New Zealand. 42 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: But the Bank did say that they were clearly concerned 43 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: about what it meant for the New Zealand Economy said 44 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: that the increased trade barriers globally do create downside risks 45 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: to the outlook for economic activity and inflation in New Zealand. 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: And on the back of that you have seen markets 47 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: and in fact some of the wording from the Reserve 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: Bank generally imply that, yes, interest rates could go lower 49 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: because of this. But there was also a little bit 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: of disagreement amongst the Monetary Policy Committee, it seems, and 51 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: I think this is healthy because they really do need 52 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: to grapple with what is a pretty challenging topic. Most 53 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: members of the committee consider that recent global policy developments 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: like the tariff stuff has shifted the balance of risks 55 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: in New Zealand inflation lower. Others though noted uncertainty around 56 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: the inflation outlook and the risks remain balanced. And again 57 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: I think that's appropriate. Yes, we're seeing tariffs around the 58 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: world and in some senses that could raise prices, but 59 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: also if you have weaker economic activity in New Zealand 60 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: because we're not trading as much, you could equally see 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: lower inflashy risks. So they have got to balance this 62 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 2: all up. 63 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: And how about the dollar, because I mentioned this morning, 64 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: if the dollar remains low. That means it actually negates 65 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: the ten percent increase in prices of our products at America, 66 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. So if we have 67 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: an isolight low dollar, then then we can still keep 68 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: our exports at a good price point in America. How's 69 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: our dollar doing? What's happening with our dollar? 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: I think I saw overnight it's pushed up just to touch, 71 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: but that's equally because of this expectation and talk of 72 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a pause on tariffs. So I think 73 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: last I saw it had popped just above fifty six 74 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: US sense that had been trading more on that fifty 75 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: five and low fifty five through parts of yesterday. Again, 76 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: this is almost an automatic stabilizer sort of effect, where 77 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: when the challenges come through with those high prices, the 78 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: dollar drops to try and compensate, and at the same time, 79 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: if you start to see those better conditions, then the 80 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: dollar starts to push up a little bit higher. So 81 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: I think all of this highlights that we're still in 82 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: the early stages of trying to understand this. The Reserve 83 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: Bank didn't want to commit too much firepower too quickly. 84 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: That's been proven overnight to be very much the right, 85 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: call a little bit more of a stay of the course, 86 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: and they'll continue to assess in the future. Is good 87 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: All the while the global economy still convulsing, and here 88 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: in New Zealand we're sort of just watch, waiting and worrying. 89 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Good on your Brad Olson. I thank you, and of 90 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: course Christian Hawksby made the announcements yesterday. He's there for 91 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: the next six months and then we don't know what's happening. 92 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Is he a placeholder? Is he acceptable to the government, 93 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: Will the government then start agitating for their own or 94 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: a more approvable Reserve Bank governor? Will find that out 95 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: in the future. Ana Courst the next OCA in May. 96 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge. 97 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks at b from five am weekdays, 98 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio