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Speaker 1: Your trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the my casking Breakfast with the Defender, Embraced the impossible

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Speaker 2: And welcome today, Perfections emerging or exceeding. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: new report cards at school. From the economy, sixty eight

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Speaker 2: percent of fixed mortgage moneys rolling over this year, but

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Speaker 2: has the bottom gone so therefore the potential saving evaporated?

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Speaker 2: Global heavyweight from Meta as in the country we talk

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Speaker 2: safety and social media bands Captain Field and France Rob

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Speaker 2: Little will.

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Speaker 3: Do all the British Isles pasking.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the day, seven past six am. Hoping this

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Speaker 2: will be a time and place thing given we now

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Speaker 2: have well what appears to be early success in our

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Speaker 2: primary schools around this doing the business or doing the

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Speaker 2: basics brilliantly. Hopefully by the time those kids get to

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Speaker 2: year twelve or thirteen, the current numbers we get out

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Speaker 2: of these years will be a distant memory. And those

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Speaker 2: numbers aren't disastrous. Let me give them to you. Nine

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Speaker 2: percent of year thirteen fifteen percent of year twelves did

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Speaker 2: not achieve the literacy in new and received they were

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Speaker 2: expected to. That's fifteen thousand kids. It's a lot of kids.

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Speaker 2: The concern, especially for year thirteen's is what now do

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Speaker 2: they repeat? Probably not, so they leave school to what

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Speaker 2: a world in which a lack of basics is not

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Speaker 2: well rewarded, if rewarded at all. Even in a strong economy,

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Speaker 2: It's a sketchy old existence in the workforce, which is

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Speaker 2: why you then read of those even more disastrous numbers

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Speaker 2: around welfare. Whereby once you are honor, you are hon

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Speaker 2: it on average for years. But here's the question for you.

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Speaker 2: If a five year old goes to school underprepared, you

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Speaker 2: simply have to look. I would have thought at the

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Speaker 2: home life, the role of the parents. Why have you

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Speaker 2: allowed your child to start school behind the eight ball?

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Speaker 2: And if they start behind at school, what other parts

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Speaker 2: of life are they behind in as well? But by

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Speaker 2: the time the five year old is seventeen, year twelve,

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Speaker 2: year thirteen, how is it for this current cohort of

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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand and every cohort before and after them, they

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Speaker 2: are still behind. They haven't caught up what I have

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Speaker 2: been doing all those years, all those hours, all those classes.

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Speaker 2: Where was the education system. I'm not blaming schools or teachers,

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Speaker 2: like you know, like a lot of life's issues, it

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Speaker 2: will be complex, of course, ongoing home problems, attitude, discipline,

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Speaker 2: But surely also in there is a teacher or two,

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Speaker 2: a school or two, an exam or two that has

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Speaker 2: surely shine progress all lack of it is an issue.

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Speaker 2: Can we also not suggest if you start behind in

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Speaker 2: year one, if it's still an issue in year six,

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Speaker 2: it's probably an issue in year nine, and before you

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Speaker 2: know it's year thirteen and it's over. Where's the net,

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Speaker 2: the help, the turnaround, the one thing that's coming to

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Speaker 2: start with the problem, but a whole other thing to

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Speaker 2: watch it fester for well over a decade and do

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Speaker 2: little of anything about it.

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Speaker 3: Who news of the world in ninety seconds the.

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Speaker 2: Epstein muck as well and truly landed on British laws,

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Speaker 2: as if Andrew wasn't persona on grant enough. The All

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Speaker 2: four special keeps digging that particular hole. The photo, it's

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Speaker 2: been confirmed, was at Epstein's flat.

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Speaker 4: I've also managed to cross check that white paneling with

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Speaker 4: another photograph of Epstein having drinks with the Hollywood director

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Speaker 4: Woody Allen. Also, you have to look at the design

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Speaker 4: on the door as well. That in itself is quite distinctive.

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Speaker 2: Time Peter Mandelsson and his rip is well intoly torched

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Speaker 2: and pressures now on for the peerage to be expected.

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Speaker 5: There is no precedence for removing a specific person from

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Speaker 5: the House of Lords, and that would require primary legislation.

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Speaker 5: That means it's difficult, but it's not impossible. The House

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Speaker 5: of Lords themselves might block that legislation.

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Speaker 2: State signed the iceback lashers a few signs of abating

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Speaker 2: this morning. The New York governor is taking a stand.

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Speaker 6: Why would we want to divert local law enforcement from

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Speaker 6: the local policing you catching criminals in the streets, stopping

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Speaker 6: gun trafficking, stopping the flow of drugs. I want my

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Speaker 6: local police doing that and not being deputized for civil

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Speaker 6: only immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Now, one of the counties that has actually in the

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Speaker 2: New York area that's agreed to cooperate with ICE is

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Speaker 2: Nassau County, so they're not keen on Hukles move.

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Speaker 7: Getting them out of our communities and out of our

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Speaker 7: country is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Speaker 6: So Kathy Hockel's policies are completely misplaced.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of ICE, what do you get when a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of self indulgent lobbies hang out in the same room.

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Speaker 2: You take a night of celebration, of course, and turned

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna say as out, I guess I want to say,

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Speaker 8: I'm up here as a grand daughter of an immigrant.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, No, one is illegal on stolen land.

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Speaker 2: And then the weather, the shadow, Puck's attorney and Phil.

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Speaker 10: There is a shadow here on my ground.

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Speaker 11: Six more weeks of winter abound.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Finally, Nicola Edwoods, who it turns out has

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Speaker 2: a rare sleepwalking disease. So if you're started getting parcels

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Speaker 2: delivered to her house despite not ordering anything or did,

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Speaker 2: she turns out she has para somnia. It's a sleep

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Speaker 2: disorder where part of your brains awake but the rest

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Speaker 2: of it's in the deep sleep. So what iver you're doing,

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Speaker 2: you're not consciously doing.

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Speaker 12: So.

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Speaker 2: She bought a wig for a dog, hundreds of minuature

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Speaker 2: figurines of random people, a Guinea pig guide book, a

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Speaker 2: Nicholas Sturgeon mug, a signed Storm the album, and an

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Speaker 2: inner tire for wheelbarrow. No, she doesn't have a wheelbarrow,

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Speaker 2: so that's us of the world of ninety unless I'm asleep,

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Speaker 2: and it isn't it Mendelssohn's interesting. What's important about Mendelssohn

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Speaker 2: is not the photo of him in his underpens or

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Speaker 2: the photo of anybody else having a drink with anybody.

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Speaker 2: And what's important about Mendelssohn and starms onto it. He's

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Speaker 2: launched an urgent investigation into his contacts with Epstein when

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Speaker 2: he was a government minister, because the suggestion now is

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Speaker 2: Mandelsshon was forwarding internal government information to Epstein. That's material.

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Speaker 2: Underpants isn't shedding stuff off to Epstein is material? Why

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Speaker 2: I shall tell you more in a moment twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: And why the Epstein thing is important is and Mandelssohn

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Speaker 2: is because there's increasing evidence in this dump that he

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Speaker 2: might have been a Russian spy and he might be

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Speaker 2: tight with Putin, and so all of this would start

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Speaker 2: to make more and more sense. I don't say this

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Speaker 2: is true. I'm just saying this is what's increasingly looking

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Speaker 2: like a possibility. So if Mandelsson was slipping stuff to Epstein,

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Speaker 2: and Epstein was slipping stuff to putin. Then you've got

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Speaker 2: a trail, and then you've got a smoking gun, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got real trouble. Fifteen past. My name is money.

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Speaker 2: From Andrew Kellaher. Not from Andrew Kelliher, Andrew kellerher. He's

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Speaker 2: from Suran Partners. I had that sleep sleep thing that

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Speaker 2: just one of these weird things that I'm ordering stuff

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Speaker 2: while talk to you anyway, How are you? I'm very

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Speaker 2: well now, housing market, let me see if I've got

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Speaker 2: this right. I'm seeing some sales, but the price isn't moving.

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Speaker 2: Is that about it?

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Speaker 13: That's about it.

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Speaker 14: It's February, actually, isn't it. So I thought we'd better

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Speaker 14: It's the year is ripping past, so I thought we'd

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Speaker 14: better touch on the housing market. This is the start

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Speaker 14: out yet stay from the website real Estate dot code

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Speaker 14: dot in Z. So it gives us an insight into

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Speaker 14: the housing market. But at the same time we got

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Speaker 14: some numbers from Cotality across the Tasman looking at the

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Speaker 14: housing market over there, and there continue to be pretty

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Speaker 14: stark differences. So look allowing for the fact that real

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Speaker 14: estate dot code on there's only one set of data,

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Speaker 14: it is pretty comprehensive. I think it's a reasonable insight

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Speaker 14: into it. The national average asking price down one and

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Speaker 14: a half percent, so people's expectations are certainly not getting

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Speaker 14: they're not getting carried away. It does look like sales

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Speaker 14: were healthy though, leading into the close of last year.

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Speaker 14: They sold over six thousand houses in December. But we've

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Speaker 14: talked about this last year, Mike. The issue is still

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Speaker 14: relevant in ventory is how much there actually.

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Speaker 2: Is for sale.

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Speaker 14: At the end of January, there were just thirty three,

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Speaker 14: four hundred and nineteen properties for sale there. That's over

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Speaker 14: twenty one percent more than January last year, So you

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Speaker 14: get a bit of activities.

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Speaker 13: Sellers come out of the woodwork.

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Speaker 14: Look, I think this year gets pretty interesting, make I mean,

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Speaker 14: you've got the Central Bank may have to lean against

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Speaker 14: inflation at some stage, lots of debate as to when

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Speaker 14: that will occur. You've always got an election looming at

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Speaker 14: the end of the year. You see what policies may

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Speaker 14: affect the housing market. The economy is starting to look

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Speaker 14: more buoyant though, so lots of different forces on the market.

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Speaker 14: But across the Tasman mic Catality home value index is

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Speaker 14: up to nine point two percent year on years, So Brisbane,

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Speaker 14: you know me, I like to round things up.

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Speaker 13: Might we'll call that.

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Speaker 14: Close to ten percent, but within that number, check these

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Speaker 14: numbers out we again we talked about this last year.

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Speaker 14: A few markets over there are hot. Adelaide is up

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Speaker 14: absolutely on fire eighteen and a half percent. I mean,

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Speaker 14: Sydney and Melbourne are veritable laggards, but I think most

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Speaker 14: Kiwi homeowners will be happy with these single digit games

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Speaker 14: that we've seen in those two main senses. But just

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Speaker 14: momentum may be slowing, and you can possibly feel the

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Speaker 14: hand of monetary policy behind that. They've got a change

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Speaker 14: interest rate outlook over there that's maybe weighing on the

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Speaker 14: usual summer market. February March they're the key months over there,

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Speaker 14: so we probably want to wait and see the first

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Speaker 14: full quarter numbers. Of course, you've got the RBA today's

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Speaker 14: as well. Make we'll talk about that tomorrow morning. Seventy

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Speaker 14: percent chance of a hike there and being priced on

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Speaker 14: the market at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I like Catman do because they've had an interesting story,

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Speaker 2: but they're often running well.

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Speaker 14: They do. There are signs of life. So it's an

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Speaker 14: insex listed company. It's actually dual listed, so listen on

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Speaker 14: the A six as well. They released numbers for the

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Speaker 14: first five months of the trading year. I mean late

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Speaker 14: last year. We talked a lot about the flickers in

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Speaker 14: the New Zealand economy and the general consensus is that

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Speaker 14: these flickers are definitely caught on now growing. The run

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Speaker 14: of economic data so far this year suggests that economic

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Speaker 14: recovery that we were looking for in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 14: maybe peeking out from behind the clouds in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 14: So CapMan who reported stronger sales, admittedly though with only

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Speaker 14: a passing direct reference to improvements in New Zealand, I mean,

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Speaker 14: they have global exposure. They've got different brand names, Rip

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Speaker 14: curl Oboz Group sales for the first five months are

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Speaker 14: up seven point nine percent within the brands. The Campmando

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Speaker 14: brand itself does look particularly healthy.

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Speaker 13: Within the announce.

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Speaker 14: Yesterday, they do report sales up twelve point seven percent

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Speaker 14: in both New Zealand and Australia. Who will take that

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Speaker 14: strong direct consumer sales, So that's the shop so over

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Speaker 14: Black Friday and Christmas. That's encouraging for retails.

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Speaker 13: They're still under bit of margin pressure.

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Speaker 14: Though Mike they're working their way through what they call

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Speaker 2: It'd be Morning Mike. There's Australians and the Epstein File

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Speaker 2: So then again, or what do I know? Mortgage money

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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to

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Speaker 1: Mike the mic Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy three, news togs had been.

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Speaker 2: A lovely if one movie stopped applying your purist POV.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the pit factor, isn't it. Gatin Field

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Speaker 2: in France, the Epstein thing has landed on the haunch

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Speaker 2: Economic Recovery story. Stats this morning the show sixty eight

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Speaker 2: of decisions to be made. Kelly Echold as Westpax chief

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Speaker 2: When if we accept that the bottom is gone and

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Speaker 2: are all these refixes actually potentially coming off something and

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Speaker 16: Well, it's still a weird way. Yet, there's quite a

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Speaker 2: Are we all settled now on the understanding there are

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 16: I think will always be some question marks, But the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, has that tune changed you talk twelve and eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Is the tune any different from the way it has

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Speaker 16: No, there's still a few people on six months, but

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Speaker 16: There's much less enthusiasm for sort of three, four and

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Speaker 2: Exactly what do you reckon the role of the refixes

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Speaker 16: I think it does have a role, but we have

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Speaker 16: was a month where I think a lot of new

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Speaker 2: An z's gone from five to two percent for the

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Speaker 2: And what's you feel on jobs tomorrow?

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Speaker 16: Well, jobs, I think we're going to see jobs growth

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Kelly, good to end on a good note. Kelly,

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Speaker 2: You remember the name George Mitchell. He's a former US

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Speaker 2: escape route for many of these people was yes, I

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Speaker 2: knew him, Yes I had a drink in his apartment,

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Speaker 2: but I had no idea what he was up to.

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Speaker 2: Problem then becomes post conviction, why are you still there?

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Speaker 17: Six forty five International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance

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Speaker 17: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Speaking at jefinitely Field, the very good morning to you

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Speaker 2: in France.

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Speaker 9: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Let me come to the Epstein message just a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments, because it turns out that old Mandelssohn and

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Speaker 2: his underpants was in a very nice flat that was

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Speaker 2: owned by the aforementioned. But before we get there, this

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Speaker 2: war and all these soldiers that are rolling into the EU,

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Speaker 2: how is this working? How many of them and how

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Speaker 2: big a problem is?

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Speaker 9: It could be a big problem. If you listen to

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Speaker 9: the Estonian Foreign minister. Of course, it could well be

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Speaker 9: a huge problem.

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Speaker 18: And the last month they've turned back two hundred and

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Speaker 18: sixty one Russian combatants from entering the country.

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Speaker 9: What the Estonians are now saying is there's.

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Speaker 18: Got to be a bigger ban because one day this

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Speaker 18: war is going to end, there will be some sort

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Speaker 18: of lasting piece, and there could be as many as

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Speaker 18: one million Russian combatants free to go and do whatever

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Speaker 18: they do after the war is over. Not One of

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Speaker 18: the things to remember is Russia is having enormous economic

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Speaker 18: difficulties because so much of its economy is going into

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Speaker 18: the war with Ukraine. So there's going to be things

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Speaker 18: like disgruntled soldiers. It's going to be soldiers who haven't

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Speaker 18: received their pay, going to be soldiers who haven't got jobs.

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Speaker 18: And the concern is that they are going to move

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Speaker 18: easily over into the EU, particularly areas such as Estonia, Latvia,

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Speaker 18: Lithuania and parts of Poland where everyone speaks Russian. Loads

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Speaker 18: of people speak Russian, and there's going to be black

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Speaker 18: market economies. So what they're trying to do is to

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Speaker 18: push this through with the EU and say, look, you've

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Speaker 18: got to have this ready and up and running because

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Speaker 18: there are going to be a lot of challenges that

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Speaker 18: come when and we do.

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Speaker 9: Say when the fighting actually stops.

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Speaker 18: And that's what they say is you have to look

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Speaker 18: at where Putin has been recruiting a lot of his soldiers.

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Speaker 18: A lot of them have been coming from prisoners who

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Speaker 18: get time off in their sentence if they're going to

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Speaker 18: serve in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Do I enter this muddied field, Catherine by asking you

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Speaker 2: when does the fighting stop? Or shall we leave that

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Speaker 2: for another day?

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Speaker 9: I think we've got a lot of days to discuss that,

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Speaker 9: haven't We might, Yes.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 2: So the flat not being superficial for a moment, it's

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Speaker 2: a beautiful looking flat, and it was Epstein's, of course,

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Speaker 2: and so it arrives in Paris, and what do you

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Speaker 2: do with it all? I mean, given most of it's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily legal, it's just sort of missy and mucky

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean the same thing everyone knew Ebstein when

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Speaker 18: he was here.

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Speaker 9: He was doing what he did everywhere.

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Speaker 18: He was courting the rich and the famous, the political elite,

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Speaker 18: those big figures in the economy. He owned a fabulous

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Speaker 18: apartment just near the After's cleonf It's sold quite recently

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Speaker 18: at a reduced prize of around eighteen and a half

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Speaker 18: million New Zealand dollars. It was one of many properties

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Speaker 18: he owned in Paris. Now, of course who went to

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Speaker 18: dinners there? Well, we know that Peter Vanalson went there

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Speaker 18: and has we've got photographs of him in his underwear.

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Speaker 9: Well also other people who went there.

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Speaker 18: Former Culture minister Jack Lang, he went there, but he said,

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Speaker 18: like most of them say, had no idea that this

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Speaker 18: man was at the heart of a criminal network. Another

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Speaker 18: person who seems to have got caught up in this

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Speaker 18: as well is Jack Lang, former Culture minister. His daughter

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Speaker 18: Caroline had several exchanges and in fact it was discovered

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Speaker 18: upon the death of Epstein that he had actually left

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Speaker 18: money to her in his will, so that continued on.

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Speaker 18: We're also hearing that former French finance minister Brunola Mayer

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Speaker 18: he'd also been if you like Epstein, had cultivated relationships with.

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Speaker 9: Him as well. We're hearing though all the same thing.

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Speaker 9: They didn't know, they weren't where they thought.

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Speaker 18: But of course you know, this fabulous, luxurious French flat

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Speaker 18: was famous for its parties, famous for its ladies. Who

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Speaker 18: would go there, and of course don't forget many of

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Speaker 18: those ladies who were recruited to go that came from

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Speaker 18: another if you like Powell of Jeffrey Epstein, a Frenchman

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Speaker 18: who was running a talent scout agency.

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Speaker 9: Again, he was arrested not long after.

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Speaker 18: Epstein was arrested and he committed suicide in his cell

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Speaker 18: in Paris before he was extradited to the US.

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Speaker 2: I want to miss has the Parisian winter got you

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Speaker 2: a little bit with some influenza? Catherine Doway. Hear this

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Speaker 2: in your voice, I know it is.

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Speaker 18: I was a fool, min I have the opportunity of

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Speaker 18: out of the stay home one said date, or going

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Speaker 18: hiking for two hours in the rain and Versailles.

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Speaker 2: Well, you live to tell the story, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you got some nice photos. Nice to see you, catch

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Speaker 2: up next week, Catherine Field in France. The reference, by

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Speaker 2: the way, just quickly to Kevin Rudd from the text

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Speaker 2: earlier on Rudder is mentioned was meeting. This is not you,

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Speaker 2: by the way, which is the other thing that makes

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Speaker 2: this whole thing so damn complicated. He was mentioned several

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Speaker 2: months ago, well before Christmas, and he was able to

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Speaker 2: It was just a meet. It was nothing, nothing weird.

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Speaker 2: About it. It was just apparently he had gone to

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Speaker 2: a meeting with Epstein, at which point Rudd was able

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Speaker 2: to show on the date that the papers show that

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Speaker 2: he was supposed to be at the meeting with Epstein,

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Speaker 2: he was elsewhere and could prove it, which gave there's

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Speaker 2: a whole story another twist, how much of what is

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Speaker 2: being dumped is simply wrong. So Rudd gets away? But

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Speaker 2: do others turn away from seven the.

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Speaker 1: Mic asking Breakfast with the Defender and news togs deadb

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Speaker 1: Is it just me?

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Speaker 2: Or is the best story floating around today? By a

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Speaker 2: mile Hanson and Foster being approached by the rugby Union

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Speaker 2: to reapply for the rugby I mean, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Are you serious if you don't know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 2: More shortly anyway from Australia, just to update you when

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Speaker 2: we left you yesterday and talking to Steve Price, they

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Speaker 2: were a couple of things happened. Colin Boyce did his

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Speaker 2: challenge for the Nationals leadership of Little Proud. That failed.

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Speaker 2: It was always going to fail. What Boyce was looking

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Speaker 2: to do was just have a chat about it in

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Speaker 2: the caucus room, which they did. Then Little Prow went

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Speaker 2: and met Lee to try and stitch back together the

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Speaker 2: coalition allegedly, so they met last night. Sybil is the word.

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Speaker 2: No deal yet, but it was constructive. Meantime, a bloke

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Speaker 2: you may remember called Bernardi, Corey Bernardi, he's a former

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Speaker 2: Liberal senator, went and set up his own party. Quit

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Speaker 2: the Liberals ages ago, went and set up a party

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Speaker 2: called the Conservatives. Didn't go anywhere anyway. He's back. He's

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Speaker 2: joined One Nation. And there's another guy called Antik who

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Speaker 2: is a senator, current senator. He looks to be recruited

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Speaker 2: to One Nation from the coalition as well. So she's

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Speaker 2: all continuing to bubble and unfold in OZ five away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 3: Well, the ins and the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the Biz business paper, Take your business productivity to

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Speaker 1: the next level.

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Speaker 2: First of the Year twenty twenty six Credit Indicator reports

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Speaker 2: from Centric. So do we want some credit? Yes, we do,

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Speaker 2: up nine point four percent year on year. More mortgages

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Speaker 2: are doing business, so people are borrowing money for mortgages.

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Speaker 2: Q four New mortgage lending up fourteen point three percent,

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Speaker 2: so that's good. Non mortgage lending up twelve percent, which

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Speaker 2: I think is good. Depending on whether you get yourself

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Speaker 2: in the stook or not speaking of which Q four

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Speaker 2: areas four hundred and seventy one thousand people. That was

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Speaker 2: down a little bit year on year. Number of people

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Speaker 2: behind on payments more than ninety days of state. Flat

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Speaker 2: mortgage areas up for smadge in December, but overall year

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Speaker 2: on year lower, Credit card areas higher since May, we're

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Speaker 2: still six percent lower than a year ago, So all

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Speaker 2: of that big picture stuff is trending well. Cars though,

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Speaker 2: interesting because as we often tell you, the cars is

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Speaker 2: the for the car is the first payment to go

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Speaker 2: and fall behind. So they're up five point eight percent

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Speaker 2: in December. That's doubt as in people in trouble five

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Speaker 2: point eight percent and six percent higher than a year ago,

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Speaker 2: so we're stuck there. Personal loan areas that's up almost

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Speaker 2: ten percent. Energy, telco arears both down. Our business side

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Speaker 2: liquidation is still way higher than we want. Highest numbers

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Speaker 2: since twenty ten. This is a long tail, though I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't freak out about that. I'm not freaking out about it.

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Speaker 2: Increase of fifty percent in HOSPOW thirty four and I've

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Speaker 2: got more on HOSPOW. The media has got to pull

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Speaker 2: their finger out and do a bit of job on this.

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Speaker 2: We've got to stop writing headlines a nurger hospo outlet closing.

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Speaker 2: The story's behind this anyway, I'll work you through that

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Speaker 2: before seven thirty. So anyway, liquidations fifty percent in hospow,

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Speaker 2: thirty four in retail, and twenty seven percent in transport.

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Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's at the back end of

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Speaker 2: troubled times. As the recovery kicks and you will still

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Speaker 2: see some people going under. The only drop actually in liquidations,

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Speaker 2: and this reflects the booming farming sector was agriculture. Liquidations

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Speaker 2: there down eleven percent. Right your new stall report with

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Speaker 2: your new flash words. Erica Stamford, the Education Minister is

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Speaker 2: with us right after the news, which is.

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Speaker 3: Next incredible, compelling. The breakfast show you can't best.

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Speaker 1: It's the mic asking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities,

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Speaker 1: Life Your Way, News togs, Dad bes, I.

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Speaker 2: Think seven past seven. More change coming to a junior

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Speaker 2: classroom near you. We've got the new National Reporting Framework

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Speaker 2: for primary and intermediate's. Parents get an update on reading, writing,

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Speaker 2: and maths. Five clear markers emerging, developing, consolidating, proficient, and exceeding.

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is the Education Minister, and it's back with

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, mate.

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Speaker 2: So I'm watching a press conference yesterday as you unfolded that,

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Speaker 2: somebody asked whether these words that you're using emerging, developing, consolidating, proficient,

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Speaker 2: or exceeding were to be able to be understood by parents.

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Speaker 2: Are we just that thick now or what to think that?

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Speaker 8: When the journalist asked, may I thought, actually, parents are

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Speaker 8: perfectly capable of understanding a scale and a key. And

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Speaker 8: actually what the journalist saw missed was the intense detail

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Speaker 8: you're now going to get in your maths report. For example,

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Speaker 8: it won't just be maths, it'll be algebra, geometry measurement,

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Speaker 8: so we know in detail where your child is at

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Speaker 8: with each of the strands of maths. And all of

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Speaker 8: their rush to look at what the words we were

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Speaker 8: using for the descriptors they missed actually the detail that

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Speaker 8: we're going to be providing to parents so they know

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Speaker 8: where their kids are at.

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Speaker 2: So what's the important part is that the series of strands. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: the detail or the way it's explained and the explanation

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Speaker 2: got a bit woolly. So we didn't know where we

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Speaker 2: were at.

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Speaker 8: Well, we weren't giving enough detail so we looked to

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Speaker 8: be fair. Some schools were, but many schools weren't providing

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Speaker 8: that level of detail by strand, and we weren't also

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Speaker 8: using a nationwide consistent way of measuring, so it was

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Speaker 8: based on teacher judgment or assessments that they were using

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Speaker 8: in class that were all different. We are now using

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Speaker 8: an assessment tool called smart or PAT. Schools can choose

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Speaker 8: to consistently measure across the country how our children are

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Speaker 8: doing and use that to triangulate teacher judgment and other

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Speaker 8: in class observations. So now we have, for the first

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Speaker 8: time in our history, primary intermediate a nationwide consistent too.

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Speaker 2: Where does this sit in terms of importance? Given what

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Speaker 2: I also read yesterday was the year twelves, the year

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Speaker 2: thirteen's the thousands of kids who have just not got

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Speaker 2: across the line by the time they leave school. If

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Speaker 2: I keep saying seeing emerging, emerging, emerging, emerging their entire

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Speaker 2: school life, what's the point of that, they're still failing.

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Speaker 8: Well, the point of it is you know, and you

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Speaker 8: can do something about it, and you can go and

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Speaker 8: sit down with their teacher and have a conversation about

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Speaker 8: what are the next steps, And they're learning. How can

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Speaker 8: I help at home? How do I go to the

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Speaker 8: parent portal for example, that we've now created, which has

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Speaker 8: all of the resources for you to be able to

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Speaker 8: help your child at home. But without all that, parents

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Speaker 8: have been in the dark. And so many times I

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Speaker 8: hear parents say to me, my child's at high school

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Speaker 8: and I've just learned for the first time that they

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Speaker 8: don't know the timestables. I thought that was happening, but

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Speaker 8: I never knew. Now you will know, and you can

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Speaker 8: do something about it and have a conversation with your teacher,

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Speaker 8: do something at home and have a good understanding of

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Speaker 8: your child's program.

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Speaker 2: Well type so Eric appreciated. Erica Stanford, Education Minister. Ten

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Speaker 2: minutes past seven, Mike, my grandson year six arrived home

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Speaker 2: yesterday with as Welcome to School booklet and it contained

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Speaker 2: all the goals for reading, writing and maths. At last,

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Speaker 2: we all know where we're going, so we can support

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Speaker 2: them at home. Fancy Margaret. Now, speaking of education, we

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Speaker 2: come to the start of our education system where a

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Speaker 2: new report from the Outland Principals Association this morning tells

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Speaker 2: us ninety percent our primary schools are reporting more children

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Speaker 2: arriving without basic skills things like talking, eating, toileting. Kelly

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Speaker 2: Seberg is the director of Newshoots Children's Center and is

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Speaker 2: with us Kelly, morning to you, Good morning, my l

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Speaker 2: a very well, thank you. Is it surprise you these numbers,

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Speaker 2: these stats? Well?

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Speaker 19: I think is it surprising? I think when you look

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Speaker 19: at the numbers that their principals are reporting, they say

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Speaker 19: there was about fifteen children in a cohort, And I

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Speaker 19: guess when I relate that back to well, how many

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Speaker 19: children are not practicing tending EC or perhaps a number

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Speaker 19: of children who are not attending see frequently, maybe those

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Speaker 19: figures are starting to stack up because I mean, you know,

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Speaker 19: from the vast majority of children who come out of

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Speaker 19: the Quality Easy environment, we know that they are thriving

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Speaker 19: at school, and principal actual report and can say really

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Speaker 19: quickly to us whether they can see a childhood comes

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Speaker 19: from the Quality Bill Childhood Service or not. So I

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Speaker 19: guess this is the question is we've got to ask,

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Speaker 19: and we don't have good data around it yet. Is well,

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Speaker 19: these children that are turning up to school, who principals

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Speaker 19: are saying are not ready, what is going on to them?

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Speaker 19: Have they actually been an EC?

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Speaker 12: We don't.

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Speaker 2: Are you sorry? Sorry, direct Kelly, you're telling me we

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Speaker 2: don't know that, we don't have data on that.

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Speaker 19: We know where the children that have or haven't, but

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Speaker 19: what we don't know these specific children who are tuning

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Speaker 19: up to school do. There's no direct link at the

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Speaker 19: moment's saying, well, what's going on to them? So the

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Speaker 19: principals are just saying, we're suspecting that they.

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Speaker 11: Haven't been an ECE.

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Speaker 19: The parents report whether they do or don't, but all

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Speaker 19: they have to say is have they been an EC? Yes,

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Speaker 19: But we have no idea how many hours they've better.

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Speaker 19: From the principal's perspective, they don't have a clear picture.

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Speaker 2: Could you I mean, the kids that you get that

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Speaker 2: are perhaps behind where they should be in an ECE,

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Speaker 2: can you turn most of them around or bring them

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Speaker 2: up to speed to a point that you're satisfied in general?

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, if you have got great quality teachers and you've

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Speaker 19: got a child that you need to be able to support.

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Speaker 19: And there is actually a new framework that's been rolled

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Speaker 19: out over the last couple of years which actually focuses

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Speaker 19: on old language, early literacy, MAX and social and emotional development.

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Speaker 19: And that same work is there to be able to

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Speaker 19: support teachers in bringing children through their learning progressions. So

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Speaker 19: we can actually see where these children are at. Okay,

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Speaker 19: and so that is absolutely in place, but that's still

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Speaker 19: you know, early in the piece. But we can certainly

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Speaker 19: support children and also getting additional support. So if we're

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Speaker 19: seeing children who are behind in their language and if

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Speaker 19: they need some specialist intervention, that's exactly what the place

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Speaker 19: that early childhood is for.

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Speaker 2: And that's the problem though, isn't it, Kelly. They don't

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Speaker 2: go to the EEE, then that's where the problem is

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Speaker 2: and we need to do something about that. What that is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know appreciate it, Kelly Seaberg, director of New

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Speaker 2: Shoots Children's Center. What worries me about some of the numbers,

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Speaker 2: and I always worry about these things. Are either that

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Speaker 2: or I'm just completely out of touch with what the

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Speaker 2: hell's going on in the schooling system, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have thought I am. But nevertheless, they so a kid

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Speaker 2: who doesn't recognize their letters of their name. I get

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Speaker 2: that part, that's a specific doesn't hold a pencil. I

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Speaker 2: get that. But then they say they struggle with empathy

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Speaker 2: and focus. What does that mean? And who decides that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, where's that beginning end? You see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: So are they Are they trying to be alarmist in

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Speaker 2: the problems we have? Or do we have a problems

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Speaker 2: that we really should be alarmed about? Thirteen past past

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Speaker 2: Gag speaking, which why does Willis Mike have to defend

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Speaker 2: a mineral's deal? Since when does normal economic activity get

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Speaker 2: so much criticism? Couldn't agree with you more so Luxtion's

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Speaker 2: on this program yesterday. I mean, we're a mile off

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Speaker 2: doing anything here. This is the US having a word

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Speaker 2: worth pretty much as far as we can work out,

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Speaker 2: every country in the world are. They're trying to counteract

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Speaker 2: China on rare earths and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: And they have a look at a map and they go, right,

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Speaker 2: you got a bit of this. You want to do

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Speaker 2: some business? That's where we're at some talks. That's it.

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Speaker 2: And if we're going to every time something like this

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Speaker 2: comes up roll out a winer as to why we

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Speaker 2: didn't do anything economically, we literally will be no pun

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Speaker 2: intended digging ourselves a whole economically forever.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen Past the Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So next Smith's trouble with a bottle of wine. This

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Speaker 2: was at the noid of Vineyard concert. The Council of

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Speaker 2: the Police, the Public Health along with the district licensing

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Speaker 2: committee only allowed wine to be served in plastic cups.

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Speaker 2: It's all to do with special events licenses apparently. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: the Nelson May Nick Smith is with us, Nick morning

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Speaker 2: to you, Morning to you night. So who is behind this?

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Speaker 2: Who where does the buck stop with the rules and regulations?

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Speaker 13: Oll?

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Speaker 7: This was for a special license. So nod Off Winery,

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Speaker 7: you can go there any day of the week, buy

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Speaker 7: a bottle of wine to both take away and have

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Speaker 7: a picnic at the gorgeous place in the upper moucery.

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Speaker 7: But this is an annual picnic concert. Fifteen hundred odd

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Speaker 7: people go along on this event. We had stellar we

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Speaker 7: had the mockers, we had the dudes, people out with

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Speaker 7: their blankets and for those they need a special license,

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Speaker 7: and the licensing authority, which is a mix of police

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Speaker 7: and health and counsel, insisted that they not be allowed

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Speaker 7: on those occasions, not to be allowed to sell a

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Speaker 7: bottle of wine. I've gone to these events might for

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Speaker 7: a couple of decades never seen any trouble. Typical group

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Speaker 7: of friends go along together with a picnic and dinner,

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Speaker 7: have a shaer bottle of wine in a cooler, and

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Speaker 7: that's where it's all just a bit over the top.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, And do they get that is there any nuance

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Speaker 2: in licensing or is it just a blanket rule. It's

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Speaker 2: a large gathering, so it's placed a cups full stop.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's very much just with the officials because with

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Speaker 7: a special license, they say, hey, look, and noodof said, look,

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Speaker 7: we would love to observe wine. That's what we've always done.

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Speaker 7: But they said to us they wouldn't give us a

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Speaker 7: special license unless we agreed to these conditions. Now, of

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Speaker 7: course they could appeal it to the local licensing authority.

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Speaker 7: That will take six months, costs thousands of thousands of dollars,

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Speaker 7: and so they sort of hide behind the law that

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Speaker 7: the decisions are made by the district licensing committee. In practice,

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Speaker 7: that's not the case with these sorts of special events.

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Speaker 7: And that's where we get in trouble. And I just

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Speaker 7: keep seeing this over and over again. Mike, I had

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Speaker 7: in the middle of Nelson, the Nelson Wine Shop in

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Speaker 7: Hardy Street. They had to screen off so that nobody

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Speaker 7: from the street would be able to see a wine

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Speaker 7: shop a bottle of wine now gone broke. Earlier in

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Speaker 7: my term as mayor, these saying people turn up and

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Speaker 7: tell us that in the top of Trafalgar Street, we've

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Speaker 7: got lots of restaurants with tables outside and we had

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Speaker 7: to screen them off because they have it. A child

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Speaker 7: might walk into the top end of Trafalgar Street and

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Speaker 7: see somebody having a beer or a wine with their meal.

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Speaker 7: It's just over zealous and over the top, and we

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Speaker 7: do need to pull it in.

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Speaker 2: Mate. Good on, You'm nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 7: Nick.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act,

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Speaker 2: which Nicole McKy introduced last August, I don't know where

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Speaker 2: it's at legislatively speaking. I'm assuming and Sam will check

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Speaker 2: today that this is a fix that once and for

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Speaker 2: all they're going to, you know, do something a bit sensible.

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Speaker 2: Responsible drinkers, she says, should not be penalized because of

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Speaker 2: the behavior of a few. Most people who drink alcohol

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Speaker 2: do not have a problem with it. But I'll report

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Speaker 2: back on that.

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Speaker 2: a small way to redeeming their reputation by asking some

870
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: more questions. Over to thought, one of the current obsessions

871
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: is the closure of hospo outlets. A cafe needs to

872
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: announce their closing. The media can't swoop fast enough with

873
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: the doom and gloom headline. The hospital Association, of course,

874
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: to be fair, doesn't help. They roll out no shortage

875
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: of misery store is as well. Ruby and Auckland Are

876
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: got headlines the other day after they announced they were

877
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: leaving downtown Auckland. Now Ruby is in hospow of course,

878
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: but the same fetish for bad headlines applies. Get into

879
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: the detail of that story. And yes, the Auckland viab

880
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: isn't what it might once have been, as they said,

881
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: but the real reason they were leaving is the space

882
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: didn't suit them anymore. They were off elsewhere and good

883
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: on them, And days later their original space was snapped

884
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: up by a business that was keen to expand. Fast

885
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: forward to this week and it's the Rice bol Burger

886
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: Barre and Wellington Q the stuff headline yesterday another Wellington

887
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: Hospbow business announcers closure. Here's what I know. Every story

888
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: has a story. It's not always the economy. In fact,

889
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: it's often not the economy. In some cases it's the

890
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: wrong place, ie they took the car parks away. Sometimes

891
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: it's bad luck, ie they built the crl around you

892
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: and didn't compensate you. Sometimes it because well you're not

893
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: very good at your job i e. Your food's crap

894
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: and there are better places down the road. Sometimes it's

895
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: about migration. Hospo's an easy way to buy work for

896
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: you in the family. Doesn't mean you're any good or

897
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: you understand the culture, but it is a ticket to

898
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: work and a visa. The evidence, for those who want

899
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: to look at it shows HOSPO for those who work

900
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: han't and offer good food and good service. Guess what

901
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: they do well. The country is sadly though, over hosboat

902
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: and irony of ironies, despite the closure and woe and

903
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: misery headlines. We actually have more hospo outlets than we've

904
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: ever had before. One closes, but at least another one,

905
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: if not more open. But they don't write about the startups,

906
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: do they, because that would be just a little bit

907
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: too upbeat, wouldn't it. Asking Mike, did you see the

908
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: photo of Graham Sydney and Sam Neil at the terrace

909
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: whine not mine? Dinner come across in a couple of

910
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: a grade wealthy Winges. Look, I've got problems with us.

911
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't like people calling other people wealthy winters. Your

912
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: wealth has got nothing to do with your view of

913
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Speaker 2: the world. The fact that you've done well for yourself,

914
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: good on you, and we need more wealthy, successful people

915
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: in this country. As for Winges, you're entitled to your

916
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: view on anything. What you're doing, and I get what

917
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: you're doing is you're associating with what you call sort

918
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: of lovies socialists, people who might have a couple of

919
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Chardonnays and dollars gather in a room and they like

920
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: their area. It's called a nimbeism, and they don't want

921
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Speaker 2: anything in their local area spoiled. And there's a lot

922
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: of that. It's always been a lot of that. Also,

923
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: here's my problem. You can help me out. I love

924
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: Graham Sydney, I love him. Have a look at one

925
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: of his paintings and tell me that guy is not

926
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Speaker 2: a genius. Then do that while you're opening up a

927
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: bottle of two Paddocks, particularly a single vineyard version of it,

928
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Speaker 2: and tell me that Sam Neil isn't a genius. So

929
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Speaker 2: what you've got there is a couple of geniuses who

930
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Speaker 2: have made an exemplary and extraordinary contribution to the betterment

931
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Speaker 2: of this nation. And I'm sort of see, I don't

932
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I don't like them mining about mining.

933
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm into mining. Let's get on in mind. But then again,

934
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Speaker 2: I look at a painting and I drink the wine

935
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Speaker 2: and they're nice guys. So do I want to pick

936
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Speaker 2: a fight? Have I been bought out? News next?

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Speaker 1: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The Mic Hosking

938
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Speaker 1: Breakfast were the defender? Embrace the impossible news Togs deadb.

939
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes away from it. Some insight for you

940
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: now on how the tech giants are handling what is

941
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Speaker 2: an increasingly hostile view of social media Australia. Of course,

942
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Speaker 2: I've seen millions of kids account shut down as a

943
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: result of their ban. Are the UK potentially going down

944
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Speaker 2: that same route. France has already put legislation into their parliament.

945
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Speaker 2: One of Meta's most senior executives happens to be in

946
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Speaker 2: the country for what they call a safety camp, and

947
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Speaker 2: Tikeny Davis is the VP and global head of safety

948
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Speaker 2: at Meta and is with us. Very good morning to you.

949
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Speaker 2: Just for context, explain where in the line or chain

950
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Speaker 2: of things you are to Mark Zuckerberg, How important are you?

951
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Speaker 11: I feel like your description was sort of was sort

952
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Speaker 11: of the best.

953
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Speaker 14: I work on.

954
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Speaker 11: Teams safety at METTA. I've been here for eleven years.

955
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Speaker 11: I have a team that works with all of the

956
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Speaker 11: teams across the company to come up with our strategy.

957
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Speaker 11: So I'm right in the center of it.

958
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Speaker 2: Do you know or could wuld you isolate out in

959
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: any given day as part of your job, which strand

960
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: that Meta has? So if you look at Facebook, Install, WhatsApp,

961
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: Messenger and threads, where's the trouble safety wise in your organization?

962
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 11: I don't know if I would say there's trouble in

963
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 11: any one app more than another. But I do think

964
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Speaker 11: people are paying close attention to Instagram because so many teens.

965
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: Are on it is Instagram a problem.

966
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Speaker 11: I don't think of Instagram as a problem. I think

967
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 11: most teens see Instagram as a really effective way to

968
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Speaker 11: build community, to engage in their interests, et cetera. But

969
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Speaker 11: I do understand parents, and I do understand their concerns

970
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Speaker 11: about trying to provide a safe environment. I am a parent,

971
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Speaker 11: she's twenty seven now, and I worried about those things.

972
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Speaker 11: So I do understand why parents are worried about it.

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Speaker 14: For sure.

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Speaker 2: What's the most egy safety issue going on? As far

975
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: as you're concerned Edgy?

976
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 11: The most edgy safety issue.

977
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Speaker 2: I think you worry about most.

978
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 11: I think probably the thing that I worry about most

979
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Speaker 11: is how do we make it simple for parents? Candidly,

980
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 11: for parents, I think think it's been very hard for them.

981
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 11: It either involves grabbing that phone from teens, and so,

982
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 11: what I'd like to see or what we'd like to

983
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 11: see is a way for parents to be able to

984
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 11: sort of say yes or no and approve the download.

985
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Speaker 9: Of an app.

986
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Okay, you'd have to have parents involved. Blah, what do

987
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: you mike all of Australian world. I've done.

988
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 19: I get it.

989
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 11: I understand why they're concerned about it. I think the

990
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Speaker 11: impetus to go to a band is that it provides

991
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 11: a very neat and simple solution. But I think it's

992
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Speaker 11: probably a little bit of a fool's er and in

993
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 11: the sense that teens are going to move outside and

994
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 11: around bands. You can't make a band for the entire internet.

995
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 11: So how do you find a way to really put

996
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 11: in place what they're trying to do, which is to

997
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 11: basically create friction? And this is where I think if

998
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 11: you put parental approval, so anytime you download an app,

999
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 11: a team goes to download an app, a parent has

1000
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Speaker 11: to say yes or no. In other words, you're starting

1001
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Speaker 11: with a restriction around entering and you're basically saying, Okay,

1002
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 11: yes you can do this or no you can't. That's

1003
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 11: a better way to do that across the entire Internet.

1004
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: So how come you couldn't argue that successfully to the Australians.

1005
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 11: I think Australia moved very quickly. They didn't have a

1006
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Speaker 11: chance to really consult with experts that came up during

1007
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Speaker 11: the time. I think if we'd had more time, we

1008
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 11: would have been in a better position to make that case.

1009
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: Are you hoping, and I don't want to make this

1010
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: overtly political, but are you hoping it doesn't work? And

1011
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: in not working, you can then go to the next government,

1012
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: off the the cab, off the rank, to say there

1013
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: it is.

1014
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a good question. I would never hope for

1015
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 11: something not to work that's designed to make things better

1016
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Speaker 11: for families. What I'd really hope for is that we

1017
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 11: can develop a solution that does.

1018
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: Work for them. Do you have a solution in the

1019
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: dark corners of meta that could technically achieve what they

1020
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: want to do, but you just don't want to do

1021
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: it because this is all about you losing customer buzz.

1022
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I think it's it's actually really really hard

1023
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 11: to do what they are asking us to do. There's

1024
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 11: no simple way without asking everybody to provide some kind

1025
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 11: of an ID to verify. To verify age that means

1026
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Speaker 11: that every app and kids use about teens is about

1027
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Speaker 11: forty apps are then taking that information. This is again

1028
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Speaker 11: why we're going to this OS app store approach.

1029
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Speaker 2: So the other thing is in Australia this last week

1030
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Speaker 2: there was a story floating around so the daughter this

1031
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Speaker 2: is for it was for Instant or Watts, I can't remember.

1032
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: Puts the phone to the dad's face and the company

1033
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: that you guys employed don't do age. They do face

1034
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: or they just do face not age whatever. Anyway, the

1035
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: point is she got back on her account, right. I

1036
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: don't know now of course, but in general is a thing.

1037
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, in general. I mean one of the challenges with

1038
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 11: all these different technologies is that they work well, but

1039
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 11: there are ways to get around them, and a lot

1040
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 11: of you know, people spend time trying to get around them.

1041
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 11: We've done sort of a multi layered approach to try

1042
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 11: to try to address that. But there is this moment

1043
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Speaker 11: in time where teens and parents basically purchased the phone

1044
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 11: and parents have an opportunity to be set the age.

1045
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 11: And if we use that moment in time, well we'd

1046
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Speaker 11: be in a much better process to create the right

1047
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Speaker 11: sort of multi layered approach.

1048
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Speaker 2: Was this always coming for your sort of companies? This

1049
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: as you put at this moment in time, you know,

1050
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: teen years ago, when this is all like new and fantastic,

1051
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: did somebody in the dark corners of meta go tell

1052
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: you what? Someone at some point is going to push

1053
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: back big time, and we need to prepare for this.

1054
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 11: Well, I've I've been at Meta for about eleven years,

1055
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Speaker 11: so I do think over the course of the entire

1056
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Speaker 11: time that I've been there, we have been thinking about

1057
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Speaker 11: how do we make our app safe for young people?

1058
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 11: So we have teen accounts that put kids into built

1059
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 11: in restrictions and only they can only change them if

1060
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Speaker 11: they're under sixteen, if their parents give them permission. That's

1061
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 11: all a long journey, over ten years of putting in

1062
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Speaker 11: place over fifty different tools, and throughout this process we've

1063
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Speaker 11: been thinking about how to make it simple. When I

1064
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 11: came in eleven years ago, my daughter who's now twenty seven,

1065
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Speaker 11: was right in the thick of it, and I had

1066
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 11: this urgency myself of how do we make something simpler

1067
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 11: for me?

1068
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: How much of your thinking at Meta is about the

1069
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: idea that really you gotta have the parents on board,

1070
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: all the kids on board. And the alternative to that is,

1071
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: let's all blame big tech because they're rich and successful

1072
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: and they don't care. So that interface between those two conversations, Yeah,

1073
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: you know, look, we all have a.

1074
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 16: Role to play.

1075
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Speaker 11: If you think about anything with young people, we basically

1076
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 11: say okay, what are the rules that we want to

1077
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 11: have in place as a society or on a platform

1078
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 11: for ours? What are the obligations that we have as

1079
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 11: a company or you know, a government, what are the

1080
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 11: obligations that we have to create certain safety safety mechanisms?

1081
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 11: And then we always see it as a partnership with parents,

1082
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 11: because parents know a specific thing about their.

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Speaker 9: Child that you or I might not know.

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Speaker 11: And I say parents, but I really should say caregivers because.

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Speaker 2: Not everye of course, were you? You didn't happen to

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Speaker 2: be you remember when Zack a boob fronted up at

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Speaker 2: the congrest hearing? It was only you remember that when

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Speaker 2: y Yeah? Yeah, but the last one where we had

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Speaker 2: to tune around to the families who were staying right,

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Speaker 2: will you they you didn't happen to be there. You

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in the realm okay, but you will have

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Speaker 2: seen that obviously. How do you handle it? What do

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Speaker 2: you say to those families who look at you and go,

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Speaker 2: it's it's on you.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, here's the thing. It's a terrible tragedy,

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Speaker 11: and you can't you can't dismiss those tragedies. It's you know,

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Speaker 11: for those parents, they're dealing with something that's extraordinarily horrible

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Speaker 11: and that they should never have had had to deal with.

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Speaker 11: And we want to make sure that parents feel like

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Speaker 11: they have a sense that they can have peace of

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Speaker 11: mind with our with our apps and services. One of

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Speaker 11: the things with teen accounts was really to put in

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Speaker 11: place safeguards that match up to parents' top concerns. We

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Speaker 11: want them to know that these safeguards are in place.

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Speaker 11: We're not moving these safeguards. The only person, if your

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Speaker 11: teen's under sixteen, who can move those safeguards is you.

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Speaker 11: And then we've also built in additional controls so that

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Speaker 11: if a parent know of a specific issue that their

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Speaker 11: team may be dealing with, they have the ability to

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Speaker 11: see who their team is messaging with. They can see

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Speaker 11: who's following them, who's following their team. They can set

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Speaker 11: time parameters so if their team really struggles with sort

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Speaker 11: of self regulation around time, they can actually put in

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Speaker 11: place a fifteen minute limit for our circus.

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Speaker 2: Will you be able to do you think take your

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Speaker 2: way out of all of this to a point where

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00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: this is no longer a conversation and if there is

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Speaker 2: a problem or an issue or fury and anger, the

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Speaker 2: take will solve it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a good question. I would say the tech

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Speaker 11: can solve a lot of pieces, but I don't think

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Speaker 11: it can solve everything, which is one of the reasons

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Speaker 11: that we're pushing for this legislation, because we think it's

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Speaker 11: the combination of legislation that immediately gives parents the right

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Speaker 11: to say yes or no with obligations, which can be

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Speaker 11: legislation or not, doesn't matter, but obligations that parent that

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Speaker 11: to put in place the right safeguards, which is why

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Speaker 11: we've built teen accounts with the ability for parents to

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Speaker 11: see and have controls. It's that combination that I think

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Speaker 11: will provide us with a path.

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Speaker 2: Out broad based II question bad actors generally, how big

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Speaker 2: a problem are bad actors using things like AI looking

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Speaker 2: to cause trouble on your platforms?

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Speaker 11: Bad actors are adversarial, so they're always trying to find

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Speaker 11: ways around the safeguards that we've put in place.

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Speaker 2: Are you winning?

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Speaker 11: I actually think AI provides a really great opportunity for

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Speaker 11: us more than for the bad actors, in the sense

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Speaker 11: that we are able to train bad the AI to

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Speaker 11: sort of identify their behaviors in much more sophisticate, caated

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Speaker 11: ways that are much less predictable for them to sort

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Speaker 11: through any gain.

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Speaker 2: Because here's my personal question to you. I've got a

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Speaker 2: profile in this country, and I've been on the end

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Speaker 2: of any number of scams, and I look at those

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Speaker 2: and I think, if you can't see that, you're an idiot.

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Speaker 2: Because they're not that good, and yet people full for

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Speaker 2: them all the time. I'm assuming that's only going to

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Speaker 2: get whiz. They will get the.

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Speaker 11: Bad actors because their officeri will get will always try

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Speaker 11: to get better and get around our systems. But the

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Speaker 11: technology gets much more sophisticated. So for example, and sort

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Speaker 11: of that clickbait of popular public figures, we're now using

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Speaker 11: these facial recognition tools and testing them to.

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Speaker 2: Stop that type of skin Do you find your job

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Speaker 2: enriching or problematic in this day and age? I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 11: There are very few places where I would have the

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Speaker 11: kind of opportunity that I have at META to put

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Speaker 11: in place tools and safeguards that are helpful to parents.

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Speaker 11: Before joining META, I actually was a middle school teacher.

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Speaker 11: I taught, I have a law degree I had. I

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Speaker 11: was working for a regulator of thinking about these things.

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Speaker 11: Most of my career has been spent a lot of

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Speaker 11: time on thinking about parents, families and how do we

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Speaker 11: support them, and you can do that at great scale

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Speaker 11: matter and so I feel and they're very supportive of

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Speaker 11: matter of that work.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Nice to meet you, and you must come in again.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see Antagony Davis out of Meta. This morning

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Speaker 2: thirteen to eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Mike, this lady actually sounds very authentic and credible.

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Speaker 2: Good interview. Thank you, I thought so too. Not you

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Speaker 2: know that it's a good interview. And I'm not marking

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Speaker 2: myself here. I'm not progressing or immersing. And if you were,

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Speaker 2: what would you give yourself that I'm excelling. Of course,

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Speaker 2: come on, I'm excelling. But having said that, if you're

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy theorist, the thing the revelation at the end

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Speaker 2: of that, that's the right word, revelation. She used to

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Speaker 2: be a primary teacher. If you were a conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 2: you go, it's exactly the sort of person Zuckerberg would

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Speaker 2: hire in a safety job. Get a primary teacher. She

1185
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Speaker 2: looks innocent. But then we can really get on and

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Speaker 2: rampaging technologically around the world and cause encounter to see

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And that's the great debate at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe big tech and best intentions or do

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Speaker 2: you think the big tech is really about the bottom line?

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Speaker 2: And if there's countage along the way, who cares? And

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Speaker 2: and that is part of the great debate. Mikey, you're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about this New Zealand boxing drama. I'd

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Speaker 2: hate it to turn into aball New Zealand saga. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I must congratulate may Heron, who's the TV one reporter

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Speaker 2: who seems to have dug this up herself and run

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Speaker 2: with it. And in a day of very few exclusives

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Speaker 2: in modern media, she's got herself a good one. And

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Speaker 2: Mitchell's on the program Tomorrow's Minister of Sports and we'll

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Speaker 2: mention it briefly there, but let's see how this unfolds.

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Speaker 2: But suffice to say, at this current point in time,

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Speaker 2: it's different to netball. Netball was about incompetence. I'm not

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Speaker 2: convinced this is about incompetence. That all this is about

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Speaker 2: something far and more unfortunately, far more nefarious. Seven away

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Speaker 2: from eight.

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Speaker 3: The make Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate Newstalks.

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Speaker 2: The'd be Mike. Have you seen the movie Mountain Head,

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Speaker 2: Yes and no. Yes. I didn't get through it all

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Speaker 2: because it was so fantastically stupid. I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: waste any more of my time. But I know your reference.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about some guys who get together in a

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Speaker 2: mountain to control the world, and they're allegedly the heads

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Speaker 2: of all the tech firms. It's just complete idiocy. Justin

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: from Trump twenty five down to eighteen percent for tariffs

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Speaker 2: for who India. They are going to stop buying Russian oil,

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: which is no bad thing at all. They're all delighted

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Speaker 2: with the agreement, including motor who's been on X saying

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Speaker 2: he's delighted with the agreement. The oil they're going to

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Speaker 2: get us from the United States and potentially Venezuela cars.

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Speaker 2: Most stolen car for the year again the Aqua, the

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Speaker 2: Aqua Toyota Aqua. Last four years, it's been stolen more

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Speaker 2: than any other car going and a am I alone

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Speaker 2: deal with more than nine thousand vehicle thefts a year.

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Speaker 2: Vehicle are attempted thefts a year, nine thousand. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of car to out Corolla. What is it with Toyota.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not the numbers, one of those stories

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Speaker 2: numbers game, So Aqua v. Corolla. So a lot of

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Speaker 2: them about bound to get stolen, but this and Tita

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have thought as many in this and Tita's about

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Speaker 2: the place. Not a huge number anyway, their third Auckland.

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Speaker 2: The most number of car thefts obs are Canterbury Wycatto,

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Speaker 2: Wellington and by a plenty follow that. So Aqua, Corolla, Tea,

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Speaker 2: Demio viits high Lux impressa at Tenza, the Toyota mark X,

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Speaker 2: the Mark ten. I never heard of it, Masda exceller

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Speaker 2: it's the Mark ten? Is it the Mark x?

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Speaker 13: Ah, it's the kind of car that Sam would drive.

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Speaker 2: It's a Sam type, Sam's car, wasn't it? The next

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Speaker 2: allers cows, okay, you better live just before the news

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Speaker 2: which is next as it turns.

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Speaker 1: In asking the questions others won't the mic asking breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Bailey's real estate doing real estate differently.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen seventy three, news togs had been.

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Speaker 13: Got into There's money.

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Speaker 2: It is seven past eight Money Time Finance Talk with

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Speaker 2: Chris Kohler. He is the finance editor at nine Channel

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Speaker 2: nine TV nine in Australia. Some of the well known

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Speaker 2: Australian financial journalist if you follow such matters media personality

1247
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Speaker 2: Allen Cohler. He's become very popular too on social media,

1248
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Speaker 2: has Chris As. He makes the dry old world of

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Speaker 2: money entertaining anyway. He's got a book out's called How

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Speaker 2: They Get You And Chris Cohler's with us morning.

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Speaker 13: Good morning, Mike, good to be with you, right, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with us. I speak unfortunately and slightly embarrassed

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Speaker 2: this morning by our dollar. It's sitting about eighty five

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Speaker 2: eighty six Australian at the moment. I also read, by

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Speaker 2: the way, the Australian's bridge seventy US. Someone told me

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Speaker 2: the other day it could go to ninety US by

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. What's going on?

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Speaker 10: That's the big question, isn't it. I mean, you get

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Speaker 10: a different answer depending on who you ask on that one.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of professional foreign exchange traders and analysts

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Speaker 10: who are kind of all over the page on where

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Speaker 10: these currencies are heading. I mean, the big reason there's

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Speaker 10: broad based weakness in the US dollar. There's a lot

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Speaker 10: of commodity price strength which tends to help the Australian dollar,

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Speaker 10: and the New Zealand dollar tends to parrot what the

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Speaker 10: Australian dollar does at least a little bit. And then

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Speaker 10: you've got the general risk on the sentiment as well.

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Speaker 10: Of course, you've also got this increasing chance of an

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Speaker 10: interest rate hike here in Australia next Tuesday's meeting. So

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Speaker 10: all these things taken together are pushing the Australian dollar

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Speaker 10: to high has not seen for three years, and also

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Speaker 10: having some effects to on the New Zealand dollar as

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Speaker 10: well as for where we're going, As I said, I mean,

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Speaker 10: it kind of depends who you ask. There are some

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Speaker 10: out there who say that the Aussie dollar is going

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Speaker 10: to come back down.

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Speaker 13: Others say it's going to go further.

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Speaker 10: I mean, look, luckily for me, I talk about what

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Speaker 10: happened today and yesterday, not what's going to happen tomorrow,

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Speaker 10: which is great because I never know.

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Speaker 2: When you say, go out into Martin place and talk

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Speaker 2: to your average Australian. At the moment you've got a

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Speaker 2: strong dollar, that's good. Michelle Bullock at the RB she

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Speaker 2: may well be hiking before we know it. Would the

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Speaker 2: average Australian tell you that things broadly speaking are pretty

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Speaker 2: good overall or not.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think the answer to that is probably not really.

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 10: Of course, it depends on your situation. But we track

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Speaker 10: something called the Consumer Sentiment Data which comes out each

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Speaker 10: month from Westpac, and it is continuing below long run

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Speaker 10: averages it has been for some time. So generally speaking,

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Speaker 10: the sentiment is pessimistic. The idea is that things are

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Speaker 10: not going to get better, but you know, we're going

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Speaker 10: to have to continue our tight household budgetary stance for

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Speaker 10: a while. We had three interest rate cuts here in

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Speaker 10: Australia in twenty twenty five, but all of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: as I stand here now, it looks like we're going

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Speaker 10: to get some interest rate hikes in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 10: so people take that on. The average new mortgage in

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Speaker 10: Australia is now seven hundred thousand dollars, so an interest

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Speaker 10: rate hike adds about one hundred dollars a month to

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Speaker 10: the bank in interest for those people, and that's felt

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Speaker 10: immediately and severely.

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Speaker 2: Now as regards your book, how they get you? How

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Speaker 2: do they get you?

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Speaker 10: Well, it's the book with twenty four chapters. There's twenty

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Speaker 10: four ways that I look at how they get you

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Speaker 10: and they of course is different in each chapter, but

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Speaker 10: it's a range of things. It's you know, how insurance

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Speaker 10: companies operate in making sure or that their margins are

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Speaker 10: the best that they possibly can be. It's about how

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Speaker 10: mortgages operate in the number of fees that we kind

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Speaker 10: of let slip under our radar, subscriptions, food delivery, car loans.

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Speaker 10: I mean, they're kind of the intent of the book

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Speaker 10: is to have a good, thorough look at something that

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Speaker 10: tends to be boring and pushed to the side.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's boring? I mean, do you think

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Speaker 2: people at least in part sort of don't understand it. Maybe,

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Speaker 2: and because they don't understand that they can excuse it.

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Speaker 10: I think people are really smart, actually, I think that

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Speaker 10: they just are presented with information in a way that

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Speaker 10: makes them feel like it's nebulous, or it's above their heads,

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Speaker 10: or they don't have the right education. But I think

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Speaker 10: for most people, their radar of when something isn't fair

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Speaker 10: and when something is a bit off is really good.

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Speaker 10: But I think that they're not given the tools to

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Speaker 10: argue with financial institutions in a way that might help them.

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Speaker 10: There's not a lot of financial education that's done young

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Speaker 10: which then stays with you. But I think for the

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Speaker 10: most part, people just need to apply a little bit

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Speaker 10: of the kind of now so that they give themselves

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Speaker 10: elsewhere in their lives, and they just need to sit

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Speaker 10: down once every couple of months and give a hard

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Speaker 10: time to the institutions that they're handing over all their

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Speaker 10: hard owned money to.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: Hell day, you do, Hell day, don't you?

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I do, and it is it's hell day

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Speaker 13: for me too.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's kind of one of those things where

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Speaker 10: I every six months, I try to sit down and

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Speaker 10: look at what I'm paying for utilities, look at what

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Speaker 10: my variable mortgage rate is sitting at, you know what

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Speaker 10: my insurance, car loans, all these sorts of things, and

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Speaker 10: I just try to create a stack. I try to

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Speaker 10: work through it as many on the list as I can,

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Speaker 10: and even if it's one or two things that day,

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Speaker 10: I still consider it to be a win because I've

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Speaker 10: saved a little bit of money. And in the end,

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Speaker 10: as we were saying, with interest rates and kind of

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Speaker 10: the general situation where being presented with, I mean, saving

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Speaker 10: a little bit of money is extremely important at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Because that for real, Because I mean I look at

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Speaker 2: so I mean, you can say a few dollars if

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Speaker 2: you work hard on you I don't know car insurance,

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Speaker 2: or you can say four dollars fifty seven a month

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Speaker 2: if you change power companies. So a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: of course, can't be bothered. That's the whole churn argument.

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Speaker 2: So do you subscribe to that? Look after the pennies

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Speaker 2: and the pounds will take care of themselves.

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Speaker 13: I do. I also think that it's more than pennies

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Speaker 13: at the moment.

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Speaker 10: I mean we're talking about, as I said, the difference

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Speaker 10: between the best and the worst mortgage rate out there at.

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Speaker 13: The moment is a couple hundred bucks a month for people.

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Speaker 10: The difference between the best and the worst in insurance,

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Speaker 10: whether it's time insurance, car insurance, or life insurance, is

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Speaker 10: also probably going to be dozens of dollars a month,

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Speaker 10: if not hundreds. I mean, you start to do this

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Speaker 10: for various pockets of your financial life, and you do

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Speaker 10: notice a difference. It's kind of that. You know, dollar

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Speaker 10: sage is a dollar earned. We're all focused on making

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Speaker 10: sure that our income continues to rise. You know, what

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Speaker 10: ages need to outpace inflation. I think it's very important

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Speaker 10: to have a good hard look at the money that

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Speaker 10: we're spending and whether or not we can be spending less.

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Speaker 10: I mean, these are essential costs, is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 10: Never mind the you know, the budget that we're putting

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Speaker 10: towards discretionary or non essential things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Okay, listen, hold on, come back in a moment.

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Speaker 2: The book is How They Get You. Chris Cold Australian

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Speaker 2: financial journalists with the thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, caw

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Speaker 1: it By News Talks.

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Speaker 2: AP News Talks sixteen past eight. Chris Cohla, finance editor

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Speaker 2: at nine News across the Tasman with us his book

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01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: is How They Get You? Now do you, and we

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Speaker 2: mentioned briefly in the intro before, do you come at

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Speaker 2: this with an advantage? You know, giving your dad's a

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Speaker 2: bit famous, you probably grew up a bit around you

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Speaker 2: money and knowledge, and therefore this is what you've become.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's interesting. Look.

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Speaker 10: He and I have spoken over the years since I

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 10: was a kid about his job in the same way

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Speaker 10: that any parent talks to their kids about their job.

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Speaker 10: His was that, you know, I look at at the

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Speaker 10: world of money and the way things move around, and

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Speaker 10: I adopted an interest as a lot of other kids do. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: I followed my feed into it and we still to

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Speaker 10: this day. I'm very lucky in that I get to

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Speaker 10: talk to him about the economy and macro staff world

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Speaker 10: of AI. What's going to be happening there for anyone listening.

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Speaker 10: Of course, who doesn't know he's the finance guy on

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01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 10: the ABC News. I'm the finance guy on Channel nine

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 10: years so as my mum says that she doesn't have

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01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 10: to pick because I'm on at six and he's on

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Speaker 10: at seven.

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Speaker 2: Broadcasting question for you, you work at Channel nine, can

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: you do what you do in a way that satisfies

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Speaker 2: you in the commercial world of television news as opposed

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: to say, you dad at the ABC where there long

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Speaker 2: befomat stories, maybe even c NBC where that's all they do,

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Speaker 2: if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I've never had an issue doing my job in

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Speaker 10: a commercial broadcaster. It's never been something that has been

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Speaker 10: put to me to do a story differently, or to

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Speaker 10: present it in a way that I may not have

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Speaker 10: already been presenting it.

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Speaker 13: In fact, I think that's.

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Speaker 10: So fundamental and it so true to this business and

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Speaker 10: really any commercial broadcaster that takes itself seriously is what

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Speaker 10: you have at the end of the day is trust

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Speaker 10: and that's what you're trading on. And if you start

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01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 10: to muck around with that, then things can come down

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Speaker 10: around you.

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Speaker 2: But you've never been told, look, you know, can you

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Speaker 2: just lighten it up, don't use the big words. People

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Speaker 2: won't understand nothing like that.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think I haven't worked at the ABBC before.

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Speaker 10: I've worked in a few newsrooms, all of them have

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Speaker 10: been in commercial ones. We have editorial discussions, but they

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Speaker 10: are editorial discussions. There's never really any kind of idea

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Speaker 10: that we need to pander to the audience. As I

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Speaker 10: said before, I think the people who watch the news

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Speaker 10: and pick up a newspaper, they're interested. They are for

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Speaker 10: the most part informed, you know, they have a base

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 10: level of understanding, and they don't want to be brought

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Speaker 10: back to the very very beginning.

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Speaker 13: They want to be kept apprest of the new development.

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Speaker 2: And of course, the other side to you these days

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Speaker 2: are social media, very very big following globally. Of course,

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Speaker 2: is that one influential and two educational and is it

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Speaker 2: the way of the future in terms of informing people

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Speaker 2: about money and finance.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's certainly educational to me, like it gives me

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Speaker 10: a really interesting insight into how people are absorbing different

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Speaker 10: types of media.

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Speaker 13: I've been a journalist for a long time. I've only

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Speaker 13: been dabbling.

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Speaker 10: In this way, in a kind of a satirical and

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Speaker 10: sort of comical way, on social media for a couple

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Speaker 10: of years. But as you say, it's grown quite a

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 10: bit and it's given me some things.

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Speaker 13: To reflect on.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's very it's noticeable to me that my

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 10: job is to talk about the economy for Australians. It

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Speaker 10: goes on the TV here in Australia. It's it's for

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Speaker 10: the most part, it's for those audiences. And when I

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Speaker 10: started in social media, I was doing that. But to

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Speaker 10: my surprise, I noticed large audiences developing in different parts

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Speaker 10: of the world that I just had not expected. You know,

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Speaker 10: people in North America, in the UK, people get in

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Speaker 10: touch with me from Estonia saying, oh.

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Speaker 13: Does that you know? Is that how it works here?

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Speaker 10: And I have to go back to them say, to

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Speaker 10: be honest, I don't actually know if that's how it

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Speaker 10: works in Estonia.

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Speaker 13: It's been an interesting journey and one that I'm really

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Speaker 13: glad that I've in on.

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Speaker 10: But it certainly helped me do a better job about

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Speaker 10: my job. I reckon for getting immediate feedback on what

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Speaker 10: people are engaging with them, what they aren't.

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Speaker 2: What about the bigger, longer term picture, I mean the

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Speaker 2: supplies to New Zealand as well. Is there something in

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Speaker 2: growing up educated in moneies and economies? I mean, you

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Speaker 2: should we be doing more in schools.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think it should be more of a bigger

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Speaker 10: slice of the curriculum. I would love to see that

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Speaker 10: practical ways. I mean a lot of the stuff's being

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Speaker 10: taught already, but I would love to see it done

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Speaker 10: in a more of a practical way. Whether we're talking

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Speaker 10: about mathematics, we're talking about interest rates, and oh, by

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Speaker 10: the way, this credit card, you know, this is how

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Speaker 10: to workout that you're getting a twenty five percent interest rate,

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Speaker 10: you're getting one hundred and fifty dollars annual fee, and

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Speaker 10: actually maybe it's not the best way to access your money.

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Speaker 10: And those loyalty points, well, let's look at them mathematically

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 10: and let's boil down whether or not they're actually good value.

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Speaker 10: I would love to see that sort of thing. I

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Speaker 10: think teachers do a wonderful job and it's not really

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Speaker 10: up to them. I think it's on all of us,

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 10: whether at home, at school, or elsewhere, to help educate

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Speaker 10: kids on sort of where the pitfalls are in a

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Speaker 10: modern economy.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep telling the story, Chris, appreciate your time. Good

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Speaker 2: to talk to you.

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Speaker 13: You too much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, So, Chris Kohler, the book is

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Speaker 2: how they get you and it's a twenty.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're looking at the smartest way to boost

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Speaker 2: your homes value in the static market, then here is

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Speaker 2: U d Uit Kitchens we're talking about they've been doing

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Speaker 2: what a coup? Cold is smart? Well, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: it was a coup. We just wrang them up. He's

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Speaker 2: a nice guy. He's smart, isn't he? Love crisis humor

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Speaker 2: on the YouTube Mike Tony, Thank you Mike. That interview

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Speaker 2: with The Australian was boring, so good cross section. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't sell me lose them because that is dad who

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Speaker 2: probably probably wants Dad wants him come on the program.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: The housing market in Australia, so if you're thinking of

1534
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: moving across the Tasman is problematic if you like don't

1535
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: like houses going up in price. So the latest certality

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: numbers Andrew referred to this earlier on this morning didn't

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Speaker 2: give these numbers though. Perth is enter the one million

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: dollar club and joins Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra and Melbourne Brisbane

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: a record one point one five. This is on average

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 2: fifteen percent increase over the past twelve months. They're forecasting

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01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 2: eleven this year and nine the following year, so fifteen

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Speaker 2: eleven nine. Do the numbers and you know, yes, you

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01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 2: can earn twenty percent more on the building side or whatever,

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: but you can't afford a house. Adelaide up one point

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01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 2: three all time, hearh at nine seven two. So that'll

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Speaker 2: be the next capital city to go above a million,

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01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: and so that's basically everyone above a million. Canberra was

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Speaker 2: up another half point to one point zero three. The

1549
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: thing about this is there seems no end and they

1550
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 2: are having If I don't angst about this stuff, I

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01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: like house prices going up. I think that's a good thing.

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 2: But a lot of people do angst and it's the

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: exact same problem we had. So they got a couple

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: of things going their way. One of which is good,

1555
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 2: one of which is bad. The thing that's bad is

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: they're not building enough houses, so demand is outstripping supply.

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 2: The thing that's good is immigration is going gangbusters. We

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01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: love a bit of immigration, and so people are coming

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: into the country and hence the prices. So that is

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Speaker 2: one of the many reasons why Michelle Bullock of the

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank in Australia will almost certainly put the interest

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Speaker 2: rates up today.

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Speaker 1: Opinion edit, informed, unapologetic, the Mike asking Breakfast with Vida,

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Speaker 1: Retirement Communities, Life your Way News toks dead vs.

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Speaker 2: But Mike, is the average house price in Auckland not

1566
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 2: over a million dollars? David, No, it does not. It

1567
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: does depend on who you talk to in terms of

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 2: whether it's Cotality or the Mari real Estate Institute, and

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01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: whether you're dealing with an average or a mean or

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: an asking price and all of that. But no, it

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01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: is not, as below a million dollars has been for

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Speaker 2: a while, and indeed, as far as I can remember,

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01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: the only place in the country that's over a million

1574
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 2: these days is of course Queenstown and Central Otago. Now

1575
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: mister Starmer has returned to Britain via Japan. He went

1576
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: to Japan. They've got a snap election that's coming weekend,

1577
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: which we should probably talk about before the end of

1578
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: the week. But anyway, he did, of course go to

1579
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: China to deal with China.

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Speaker 20: This is Britain back at the top table at last,

1581
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 20: facing out, replacing in coherence and isolationism with pragmatic engagement,

1582
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 20: replacing naive posturing with the national interest.

1583
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 2: He was the first leader to go there in eight years.

1584
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: Not that Bennock was buying any of that.

1585
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Speaker 14: It is not the Prime Minister engaging with China that

1586
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 14: we take issue with. What we are criticizing is his

1587
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 14: supine and short term mister Apprince.

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Speaker 3: I am sure the Prime minister.

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Prime Minister.

1590
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 14: Means well, but his negotiating tactic has always been to

1591
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 14: give everything away in the hope that people will be

1592
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 14: nice to him in return.

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Speaker 17: International correspondence with ins and eye insurance, peace of mind

1594
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Speaker 17: for New Zealand.

1595
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 2: Business time for Rod Little and Britain.

1596
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Speaker 12: Morning to you mate, good bring him Kenny really nailed

1597
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Speaker 12: it there.

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Speaker 2: Nice to be liked, yes, exactly. What would he have

1599
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: been feeling like? I mean, really quickly out of teen

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Speaker 2: Tin's the greatest success you've ever seen one. It was

1601
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Speaker 2: a bust in both China and Japan. Anything come out

1602
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: of it materially there.

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01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 12: Six in Japan, four in China. He got nothing out

1604
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 12: of China. You know, there was nothing there to bring

1605
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 12: home to say, well, we've sorted out their human rights issues,

1606
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 12: or we've sorted out this big deal, you know, go

1607
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 12: for one or the other man. But he got neither.

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01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 12: It was pretty sick.

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: As he sat on the plane coming home. Would he

1610
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: have pondered Mendelssohn in what is turning out to be

1611
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: a dreadfully seedy but said of the fears, well.

1612
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Speaker 12: One would assume.

1613
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 18: So.

1614
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 12: Now you know, I've known Peter Mandelson for the best

1615
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 12: full of forty years. I once interviewed him for the

1616
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 12: BBC and he took his trousers off during the interview.

1617
01:16:51,439 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 12: He is loose, oily, Machiavelian and to my mind correct.

1618
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 12: And every time he's had a government job he has

1619
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 12: been found out and there has been horrible inquiries, whether

1620
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,799
Speaker 12: edom about him borrowing money. He is grasping and greedy.

1621
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 12: It was this, you know, if Sakir Salmon had said,

1622
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 12: Rod Liddle, I would like you to be my ambassador

1623
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 12: to Washington. That would have been a bad call, but

1624
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 12: it would have been nowhere near as bad as Peter Vandelson.

1625
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: So are they? Is the whole Labor Party tainted by

1626
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: association with this guy?

1627
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 12: Well, in fairness to the Labor Party, Tony Blair once said,

1628
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 12: my job, I will consider my job done once the

1629
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 12: Labor Party loves Peter Mandelson, And to the Labor Party's

1630
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 12: minor credit, it never has.

1631
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: But it is.

1632
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 12: It is the leadership which has tainted. Because Sakir starmer

1633
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 12: In thralled to this appalling man went back to him

1634
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 12: and said, you could be ambassador to New York, having known,

1635
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 12: having known that he had connections with Jeffrey Epstein. So

1636
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 12: it's a really bad deal for the kid staff.

1637
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 2: Who's the bigger Pillock Mandelssohn or Andrew.

1638
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 12: Well, Andrew's I think, if you, if you had to

1639
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 12: kind of weigh up the IQs, I think Andrew is

1640
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 12: a few yards behind Mandelson. But I'm not so sure

1641
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 12: Mandelson has been you know, I am a loss to

1642
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 12: define what Madelson has done as a politician which makes

1643
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 12: him so attractive. You know, there is this idea that

1644
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 12: he's clever, but he's failed in every single job he's

1645
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:48,560
Speaker 12: ever had, and so probably Andrew is the sicker. But

1646
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 12: then you know where we're on the level of a

1647
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 12: meever with Andrew, whereas you know, a poor old Andrew.

1648
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 12: It's like it's all going, it's all went really well

1649
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 12: over here, as you can get.

1650
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: See what I mean. The problem is it's it's there's

1651
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 2: still I mean, obviously of Mandelssohn slipped government information to

1652
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: Epstein while he was in government. That's that's a whole

1653
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: different level of trouble. And so the investigations under way.

1654
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 2: I get that part. But standing there with no pants

1655
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 2: on as idiotic as you look in your jockeys, it's

1656
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 2: not a crime.

1657
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 12: No, that's not a crime. And nor is leaning over

1658
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 12: a woman lying on the on the floor, as we

1659
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 12: saw with Andrew. But both of them contradict what both

1660
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 12: of them have said, which is said, my relationship with

1661
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 12: this ghastly little man was over long before the clearly

1662
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 12: with both men it went on a lot lot longer

1663
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 12: because they got stuff from it, you know, they gained

1664
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 12: from it. So it's very very difficult to argue that case.

1665
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: He's already Mandelssohn's quest so that's fair enough. Can they

1666
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: extract the peerage from him or not?

1667
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 12: I think they probably will, or if they don't. If

1668
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 12: Mandelson has an ouncer, well, actually doesn't have an answer

1669
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 12: of conscience, but they should extract it from him. They should, right,

1670
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 12: You know, if you can take if you can take

1671
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 12: all the titles from Prince Andrew, you can at least

1672
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 12: remove a peerage from that awful man. And he is

1673
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 12: an awful man. You know, I'm not kidding about this.

1674
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 12: You know there are malevolent people in politics, and there

1675
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 12: are plenty of people who are kind of okay, just

1676
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 12: a bit inact, and that's kind of most of it.

1677
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 12: But Mandelson malevolent?

1678
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: Right? Angelika? Are we saying? Stogia? Stogia? How are we pronouncing?

1679
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 8: How?

1680
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 12: Why would you ask me how to pronounce that? I mean,

1681
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 12: I think it's Greek. I asked the Labor Party if

1682
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 12: he was Rumanian and they got really stiffy and said

1683
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 12: I was a racist. I didn't know what it is made,

1684
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 12: but anyway, she looks okay, she said, of Manchester canceror

1685
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 12: standing in the Goldman Denton by election, She's going to

1686
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 12: get absolutely hammered because this by election will between the

1687
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 12: Greens be between the Greens and Reform.

1688
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 18: Right.

1689
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 2: Well, I saw a pole. It had Reform thirty six,

1690
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: Labor thirty three, Greens twenty one. But if Burnham was

1691
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: allowed to stand, they had Burnham at forty nine, Reform

1692
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: at twenty eight. Would you believe a pole like that?

1693
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 12: Yes, I would. I think if Burnham had been allowed

1694
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 12: to stand, he would have won. I think he would

1695
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 12: have been a unifying figure which would have captured the left,

1696
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 12: and I think he would have won. That sukised Arma

1697
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 12: for reasons, Mike, I'm not sure he didn't really want

1698
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 12: him back in Parliament. There we are. I think this

1699
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 12: is going to be This is going to be one

1700
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 12: of four, four or five by elections which are genuinely significant.

1701
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 12: Over the last fifty years. We had Orpington in sixty two,

1702
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 12: we had Burbancy seventy eighty I covered with seventy nine eighty,

1703
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 12: we had a Hillhead. This is another one like that.

1704
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 12: If Reform win, it proves that they can overcome the

1705
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 12: left and win in seats which aren't technically theirs. If, however,

1706
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 12: the Greens win, and you say Labors ahead of the moment,

1707
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 12: I don't think that will last long. Then that signals

1708
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 12: that there could be a big backlash against reform. A

1709
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 12: technical voting really interesting.

1710
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: It is interesting, and we don't have long to wait

1711
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: because that by election is Fab twenty six. We will

1712
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: talk again, what else today, We'll do it on Thursday.

1713
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: I think roder little out of Britain just by the way,

1714
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: and this is interesting. Vehicle production in the UK fell

1715
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: to a seventy three yearlow. We've got the numbers for

1716
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 2: the entire year. I alluded to it a couple of

1717
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: times last year on month numbers, but last year it

1718
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: was the worst year since nineteen fifty two. Although did

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Speaker 2: I see a car from Britain yesterday? That might silence

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Speaker 2: a few critics more in a moment eight forty.

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Speaker 1: Five, the like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Howard By News talks at be.

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Speaker 2: Mike, I reemi enjoy hearing from your foreign correspondent, especially

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Speaker 2: Rod Stephen Murray. They're so funny, compulsive listening. Paul, I

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Speaker 2: couldn't agree with you more. There's not a there's not

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Speaker 2: a radio program in the country that touches us for correspondence.

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Speaker 18: Car.

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Speaker 2: Look at it, it's in the snow. It's a prototype.

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Speaker 2: Remember when Jaguar sort of pulled out from producing cars

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Speaker 2: for a period of time where they go all electric Jaguar.

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Speaker 2: I think the last I read over the summer holidays

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Speaker 2: is then now getting back into Paheb's bit of hybrid stuff,

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Speaker 2: because like everybody else, they've worked out that pure electric

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Speaker 2: is not the future, and if it is, it's certainly

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Speaker 2: not now. But that is it made that the car

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Speaker 2: that got it divided the world and it was a

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Speaker 2: GT and it was pink and it was like nothing

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Speaker 2: you'd ever seen before, and everyone went off. It's now

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Speaker 2: real and it's in production, and I think they're telling

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Speaker 2: us on the videos I was watching yesterday it's probably

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Speaker 2: here next year, latter part of next year, so they're

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Speaker 2: up in the snow in Scandinavia and a number of

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Speaker 2: the people if you follow car, it's you know Auto

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Speaker 2: car and UK people they've driven it. So it is

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Speaker 2: a prototype. It is camouflaged and it's not nearly finished.

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Speaker 2: But have a look at it and listen to what

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Speaker 2: these guys are saying about it, and it may well

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Speaker 2: be there's a lot of people going to eat a

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Speaker 2: lot of words. Are you excited about the new Ford

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Speaker 2: Falcon not overly looks quite cool. Is it a Falcon

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Speaker 2: or a Mustang that you're talking to the GDD No,

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Speaker 2: it's a Ford Falcon. Okay, we'll live it to Ford Falcon.

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Speaker 2: I will hold my opinion until I fully set. But

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Speaker 2: the Mustang GDT is that's quite something. Insurance, by the way,

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Speaker 2: just quickly. Should have got this to this earlier. I

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Speaker 2: keep telling you this is going to be a thing,

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Speaker 2: and now suddenly it's a thing. So what are you

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Speaker 2: going to do? What was last week's news? AA insurance Westport?

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Speaker 2: No more insurance, thank you very much. They've already done

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Speaker 2: it AA in wood End. The wood End, the name,

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Speaker 2: the Bellinger name from where I come from originally, if

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Speaker 2: you go back a couple of generations, is a big

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Speaker 2: deal in wood End. And so there's no insurance going there.

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Speaker 2: Seismic risk that's not flooding, a seismic risks. We're talking Canterbury.

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Speaker 2: Of course. It's also stopped offering new policies in two

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Speaker 2: other Canterbury postcodes, Lincoln and the postcode of Rolliston. Now

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Speaker 2: ask yourself this question, what's the fastest growing area in

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Speaker 2: the country bar none, and the answers Rolliston Canterbury's booming,

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Speaker 2: Rollston's especially booming in the Selwyn district and AA is

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Speaker 2: not into insurance, no insurance there. So this thing is

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Speaker 2: now real and it's coming to potentially a house letterbox

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Speaker 2: an area near you nine to nine.

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Speaker 3: So my costing breakfast, we're the defender and to.

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Speaker 2: Be thoughts Mike on Neil Crompton, I hadn't got to that.

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Speaker 2: When did I start talking about me getting to that

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Speaker 2: subject last week? It was last week, wasn't it. I

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Speaker 2: still haven't got to it. Problem with the shat's only

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Speaker 2: three hours long. I keep telling them I will get

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Speaker 2: to Neil Crumpton. Neil Crompton, the commentator for Supercars has

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Speaker 2: been sacked, and probably in a move that the television

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Speaker 2: channel is sacked and will regret and may well reverse.

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Speaker 2: And I'm making that up. I know nothing more than that,

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Speaker 2: but you don't take a talent like that. And the

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Speaker 2: reason they haven't got to it is because I have

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Speaker 2: ratings numbers for Supercars last year if one and Supercars,

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Speaker 2: and it is a gargantuan success story. There are more

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Speaker 2: and more people tuning into motor racing every day, and

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Speaker 2: they had the year in numbers for Australia and supercars

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Speaker 2: has never been literally never been more popular. So you

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Speaker 2: can't take a sport that's on a growth path with

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Speaker 2: a couple of commentators who are widely regarded as the

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Speaker 2: best in the business and then go, hey, mate, you

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Speaker 2: don't have a job next year. It doesn't work that

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Speaker 2: way because the person who's made that decision is clearly

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Speaker 2: a dickhead. He's the guy who's now running supercars. But

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Speaker 2: he came from TV and I dealt with a few

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Speaker 2: TV executives in my time, and I tell you what,

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Speaker 2: talk to short A, to b old, to young, I

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Speaker 2: could line you up a fairly substantial line of dickheads

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Speaker 2: five minutes away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now with Chemi Swarehouse stop paying too much.

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Speaker 2: John McEnroe one of my favorites. He's at Melbourne Aport.

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Speaker 2: He's been there for the Australian Open. Twelve thirteen year

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Speaker 2: old kid says, can I have an interviewer a photo?

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Speaker 2: McEnroe politely says, not now, kid, in that New York

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Speaker 2: way that McEnroe does not now, kid, Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Not now kid? He's running late because he's unpacking, trying

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Speaker 2: to get inside. Kid doesn't give up. That's the problem

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Speaker 2: with kids these days. Once upon a time, when I

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Speaker 2: used to ask for autographs Vitus Gerrolitis, I got Visas Gerrolitis'

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Speaker 2: autograph Gamo Villis. Remember that, I.

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Speaker 3: Thought you got a nasty case of gerrolitis, which.

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Speaker 2: Is Roscoe Tanner. Jimmy Connors was Jimmy Connor's autograph. Ken

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Speaker 2: Rosewell had Ken Rosewell's autograph. John you Comb a John

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Speaker 2: Newcomb's autograph has become about me? Yes, anyway, sorry, so

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Speaker 2: the kid doesn't give up. And anyway, here's the audio.

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Speaker 12: Were you stop?

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Speaker 14: Stop Jesus grass?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not like the kid wasn't worn. So

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Speaker 2: I give one to McEnroe, Ryan Fairley Onny Power and

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Speaker 2: obviously at Wilding Park got those over very nice.

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Speaker 10: I think that the real feet here is not only

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Speaker 10: did you get the autographs, but you you memorized all

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Speaker 10: the ones that you had.

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Speaker 2: Do you know probably my favorite autograph a collected of

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Speaker 2: all time. It didn't get it in person, but I

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Speaker 2: wrote away to him and he wrote back, Joe th

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Speaker 2: Heisman And if you know anything about American football, Joe

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Speaker 2: th Heisman washing and Redskins was one of the great

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks of all time, and I rode away to Joe

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Speaker 2: Weisman and I thought I'll never hear back from him.

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Speaker 2: Got an eight by four in black and white to

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Speaker 2: Mike all the very best Joe Weisman squad with.

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Speaker 10: The tennis ones, were you like getting a like a

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Speaker 10: giant oversized racket signed?

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Speaker 2: Or any happy days?

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