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Speaker 1: So here's a lineup. Alex Salmon, former Head of Scotland,

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Speaker 1: Dame no Lean Tarua and Susie Wilds. You remember Susie

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Speaker 1: Wiles's microbiologist. Anyway, the Salmon family this week is wanting

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Speaker 1: the estate made bankrupt, comes out of a judicial review

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Speaker 1: over the handling of a couple of complaints against him

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Speaker 1: by civil servants that turned out to be tainted. In

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Speaker 1: other words, his defense was successful, but the cost of

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Speaker 1: winning proved too high. No Lean I got no idea

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Speaker 1: what her lawyers cost, but you would hope as part

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Speaker 1: of the deal she gets the bill covered, but you

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Speaker 1: know what, I doubt it. And then Susie Wiles. Now

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Speaker 1: you may remember she took her employer, the Auckland University,

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Speaker 1: to court and ju won. She took mediation, arbitration, went

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Speaker 1: back and forward and for a while ad Ultimately, though,

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Speaker 1: ended up in court and during COVID she was harassed.

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Speaker 1: She claimed her employer should have done more to protect her.

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Speaker 1: She has now launched a crowdfunding page to help pay

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Speaker 1: for her bills. Now, the commonality here is all three

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Speaker 1: appear to be on the right side. They have been wronged,

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Speaker 1: they have had to defend themselves, and yet all three

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Speaker 1: appear now to be out of pocket for the experience.

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Speaker 1: Wiles has spent thousands, hundreds of thousands of five I

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Speaker 1: think from reading six hundred thousand dollars plus. She's taken

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Speaker 1: out loans here and a husband. She's one, she's one,

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Speaker 1: but she's paying off loans. Inherently, there's a fault in

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Speaker 1: the law. Don't you think of me? The costs, even

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Speaker 1: when awarded, never cover the bill. My question is why

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Speaker 1: not is justice really served or seen to be done.

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Speaker 1: If you can be victorious, if you can defend your name,

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Speaker 1: your honor, your reputation, and still go broke, doesn't that

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Speaker 1: mean the deepest pocket's always going to triumph? The state v. Salmon,

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Speaker 1: a sport via coach, a university via microbiologist. It's one

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Speaker 1: thing to settle, Yes, it saves court time. But do

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Speaker 1: you settle because you would be broke if you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Is being broke and right worth it? Is launching a

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Speaker 1: crowdfunding bit acceptable when you didn't do anything wrong? Is

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Speaker 1: the justice system serving as properly when even the victorious

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Speaker 1: and the validated aren't really winners? For more from the

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