WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 259: What could the White Ferns learn from their latest England t20? 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:19.533 iHeart Radio. 0:00:21.293 --> 0:00:26.333 Take it's rick, it is out, The test is over. 0:00:28.573 --> 0:00:32.573 Couldn't a smokes a beauty? It is out and here 0:00:32.573 --> 0:00:32.933 he goes. 0:00:33.013 --> 0:00:34.933 This delivery has in us as to. 0:00:34.973 --> 0:00:40.773 Go on the front foot where Brian Waddell and Jeremy 0:00:40.773 --> 0:00:45.293 Cody powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:46.533 --> 0:00:48.733 Hi, nice to be back on the front foot and 0:00:48.813 --> 0:00:51.413 paraging signs from the White Pends and drawn one day 0:00:51.493 --> 0:00:55.053 series with England. Now the real reason they're in England 0:00:55.413 --> 0:00:58.973 World T twenty title defense. A lesson from Game one 0:00:59.453 --> 0:01:02.173 cleaks out of New Zealand Cricket You got kidding me? 0:01:02.933 --> 0:01:06.493 Is that something New England test squad revealed? Where are 0:01:06.493 --> 0:01:08.613 the weaknesses and will the black Cats be prepare for 0:01:08.653 --> 0:01:12.733 the challenge and the true story of the Scorpions Cricket Club. 0:01:12.733 --> 0:01:17.933 I've promised you from last week's podcast and a special 0:01:17.973 --> 0:01:21.453 guest this week, Jeremy, you'll be able to recognize him 0:01:21.493 --> 0:01:24.453 the moment you climb in that lift at Lords to 0:01:24.533 --> 0:01:28.133 go up to the turret. Andrew Ordison's going to be 0:01:28.213 --> 0:01:30.493 joining you there. That lovely trip up on the lift 0:01:30.773 --> 0:01:33.653 and orders is going to be on it heading out shortly, 0:01:33.773 --> 0:01:34.973 orders to lords. 0:01:35.613 --> 0:01:38.373 Absolutely looking forward to wads And yeah, you're right. 0:01:38.613 --> 0:01:41.333 I guess it depends who you've written about or broadcast 0:01:41.373 --> 0:01:42.373 about in the previous days. 0:01:42.373 --> 0:01:44.453 It laus as to how quickly that lift trip can go. 0:01:44.653 --> 0:01:47.253 But it's it's certainly worth it once you get there 0:01:47.293 --> 0:01:49.853 for the lunches and afternoon teas, et cetera. 0:01:50.373 --> 0:01:53.693 So long words that I'll know older is very well. 0:01:53.773 --> 0:01:56.933 I'll know history of his family just from the bottom 0:01:56.973 --> 0:01:59.893 of the start of that lift. There's only one floor up, 0:02:01.213 --> 0:02:04.653 that's no others. It is slow, I tell you what. 0:02:04.733 --> 0:02:07.973 There's a lot of people padly wildly to get that 0:02:08.013 --> 0:02:08.813 to go up and down. 0:02:10.093 --> 0:02:12.293 I can tell you I spent time in that lift 0:02:12.333 --> 0:02:14.973 when it didn't quite get to the top, and I 0:02:15.053 --> 0:02:19.653 was there quite some time with Michael Vaughan and Ian Botham, 0:02:19.813 --> 0:02:26.493 and both of them is more afraid of the closed spaces. 0:02:26.533 --> 0:02:29.333 He's claustrophobic like me. Boy I thought he was going 0:02:29.373 --> 0:02:33.733 to cut loose. Oh wow, it's good and so yeah, 0:02:33.773 --> 0:02:35.533 I said, we had a good old chat. You know. 0:02:35.653 --> 0:02:37.413 I was able to part a lot of knowledge to 0:02:37.413 --> 0:02:38.613 those guys on that trip. 0:02:40.493 --> 0:02:45.333 Yeah, sure, sure, you an immortal sunk. 0:02:47.213 --> 0:02:48.973 I learned a lot. I've got to say. Look, I 0:02:49.053 --> 0:02:50.773 was going to tell you about the Scorpion Cricket Club. 0:02:50.813 --> 0:02:53.013 Remember last week we told you eight hundred and twenty 0:02:53.013 --> 0:02:54.573 two for four of those school We didn't know who 0:02:54.613 --> 0:02:57.213 they'd played or how they got on with. It was 0:02:57.253 --> 0:03:02.493 a close match, well relatively close. They were playing Methane Lions. 0:03:03.213 --> 0:03:07.493 Now I'm not sure to fect methane have on Lions, 0:03:08.093 --> 0:03:11.213 but they managed to scrape together twenty eight for seven 0:03:11.893 --> 0:03:14.373 from seven point five overs and apparently that's where the 0:03:14.413 --> 0:03:17.013 game ended. And I don't know if you've seen the 0:03:17.053 --> 0:03:21.293 bowling figures, but the most economical bowler was Sydney Schumber 0:03:22.133 --> 0:03:25.573 nine overs none for one hundred and twenty he went 0:03:25.613 --> 0:03:30.373 for thirteen, while Morgan Chaffer bowled six overs none for 0:03:31.053 --> 0:03:34.333 one hundred and thirty four and he bowled twenty two 0:03:34.413 --> 0:03:36.813 point three overs. I think they took a bit of 0:03:36.853 --> 0:03:37.813 a pasting, didn't they. 0:03:38.093 --> 0:03:40.533 Well, at least they go to the crack at twenty 0:03:40.573 --> 0:03:42.653 eight for seven or whatever it was that you just 0:03:42.733 --> 0:03:46.453 told us and doing so. 0:03:46.733 --> 0:03:52.933 Yeah, seven overs leaks from New Zelland Cricket they've got 0:03:52.933 --> 0:03:55.613 investigators coming in to find out what's been going on. 0:03:56.813 --> 0:04:00.173 I don't know with a year up with that orders 0:03:59.933 --> 0:04:01.933 its secret squirrel stuff. 0:04:01.773 --> 0:04:02.453 Isn't it. Yeah. 0:04:02.733 --> 0:04:04.693 I did like the headline Cricky Leaks. I thought there 0:04:04.733 --> 0:04:09.493 was clever was Yeah. 0:04:09.733 --> 0:04:11.453 I suppose it's the side of the times, is it. 0:04:11.653 --> 0:04:13.693 There's a feeling, you know, it's been feeling of unrest 0:04:13.773 --> 0:04:16.813 there for some period. You think about, you know, the 0:04:16.853 --> 0:04:20.933 departure of Scott ween Ink, You've got the privatized T 0:04:20.933 --> 0:04:24.733 twenty league proposed, et cetera. There's a lot of maybe 0:04:24.773 --> 0:04:28.253 angst about that, and yeah, it's just not going to 0:04:28.333 --> 0:04:30.773 help proceeds. I think once you bring people in to 0:04:30.893 --> 0:04:33.373 try and forarens it doesn't help the trust, does it 0:04:34.013 --> 0:04:36.813 in any organization once you know that's underway. I mean, 0:04:36.813 --> 0:04:38.333 I would have thought there's plenty of ways you could 0:04:38.373 --> 0:04:41.333 get material out of them in cheapest. We all rely 0:04:41.493 --> 0:04:45.093 on sources in New Zealand, cricket and elsewhere to to 0:04:45.173 --> 0:04:48.533 do stories sometimes and it's it's not all just opinion, 0:04:48.533 --> 0:04:52.293 et cetera. You try and build your sources. But it 0:04:52.413 --> 0:04:55.373 did have a feeling of the Kremlin about it. I've 0:04:55.373 --> 0:04:57.613 got to say if the indeed that is that is 0:04:57.613 --> 0:04:58.053 the case. 0:04:58.813 --> 0:05:00.933 Yeah, we've all had leaks over a period of time 0:05:00.933 --> 0:05:02.613 out of New Zealand Cricket. I mean I learned once 0:05:02.653 --> 0:05:04.533 from New Zealand Cricket to Jeremy Coney was going to 0:05:04.573 --> 0:05:06.973 captain the New Zealand cricket team, and that was leaked 0:05:07.413 --> 0:05:10.133 or long before it happened. 0:05:10.133 --> 0:05:21.933 But Judy, there wouldn't be you put my call. But 0:05:21.973 --> 0:05:24.773 what wouldn't be the story here? Isn't the story here 0:05:25.093 --> 0:05:29.693 that because the New Zealand twenty has been so secretive 0:05:30.613 --> 0:05:34.133 and that no one knows really very much about it 0:05:34.213 --> 0:05:37.973 at all, that there is an And yet there is 0:05:38.093 --> 0:05:41.493 quite a strong interest in what are you going to 0:05:41.533 --> 0:05:45.653 do with this very important component in our cricket season. 0:05:47.213 --> 0:05:50.093 We know the other competitions don't make money for New 0:05:50.213 --> 0:05:54.293 Zealand Cricket. It's costly. This one is supposed to make money. 0:05:54.573 --> 0:05:58.093 They've made a choice to go into private equity and 0:05:58.173 --> 0:06:01.173 have a private company running it. Are we going to 0:06:01.213 --> 0:06:03.253 make any money out of it? There's the first sort 0:06:03.293 --> 0:06:05.493 of little question we want to know, and then there's 0:06:05.533 --> 0:06:08.493 a whole raft of things after that. Aren't there How 0:06:08.573 --> 0:06:10.453 is it going to work? How are you going to 0:06:10.493 --> 0:06:15.813 make your money? So it's it is of interest, but 0:06:15.893 --> 0:06:18.973 we're not hearing anything, and I think that's why that's 0:06:18.973 --> 0:06:20.133 why there are leaks. 0:06:20.573 --> 0:06:22.853 When you when you have that kind of silence over anything, 0:06:22.933 --> 0:06:25.973 or you're not you're not getting as much communication or 0:06:25.973 --> 0:06:28.573 as much dialogue as you think you should be, then 0:06:28.813 --> 0:06:32.293 people will take those extra meases to try and create 0:06:32.333 --> 0:06:36.333 some if you like, Yes, it's a it can backfight. 0:06:37.173 --> 0:06:39.533 Yeah, well it's something that the new chief executive is 0:06:39.533 --> 0:06:42.173 going to have to deal with too, because I understand 0:06:42.253 --> 0:06:46.733 there are other people who may be leaving the organization 0:06:46.853 --> 0:06:49.613 and you know, they've got to start with a clean slate. 0:06:49.653 --> 0:06:53.173 They've got to start with an open dialogue with the 0:06:53.213 --> 0:06:56.653 public and make sure that it works because it's important 0:06:56.653 --> 0:07:00.293 that now they've set the standard for the T twenty 0:07:00.293 --> 0:07:03.173 in New Zealand and New Zealand competition, it is successful 0:07:03.213 --> 0:07:05.693 because they don't want it as a drain on New 0:07:05.813 --> 0:07:08.053 Zealand cricket resources. It's got to go to a private 0:07:08.093 --> 0:07:11.733 company to be looked after and it's got to be 0:07:11.893 --> 0:07:14.693 a success. So putting it off by one year and 0:07:14.813 --> 0:07:17.493 finding the leaks, I'm sure is going to be really important. 0:07:17.533 --> 0:07:17.933 For them. 0:07:18.253 --> 0:07:22.573 The women's team in England, the White Fans. They drew 0:07:22.613 --> 0:07:25.853 the series with England one day as rain affected sadly, 0:07:25.893 --> 0:07:27.613 but at least they got up and won a game 0:07:28.013 --> 0:07:32.613 on the Duckworth Lewis system. England without their frontline captain 0:07:32.773 --> 0:07:35.373 Nat Siver Brunt, but they still had a fairly strong side. 0:07:36.333 --> 0:07:40.373 They had runs from players like Halliday and Green. Gays 0:07:40.373 --> 0:07:43.413 got some as well. Kerr wasn't needed solely to do 0:07:43.453 --> 0:07:47.413 the job. But it's the Tea twenties there Therefore, at 0:07:47.413 --> 0:07:51.133 the moment Jerry and I'm afraid the same old issues 0:07:51.653 --> 0:07:54.333 facing the side at the moment they aren't putting runs together. 0:07:54.733 --> 0:07:57.293 No, it was actually a bit of a thumping in 0:07:57.333 --> 0:08:01.813 the end, wasn't it. Emphatic went by England seven wickets 0:08:01.813 --> 0:08:06.013 and sixteen board. That's nearly that's getting towards three overs. 0:08:07.413 --> 0:08:10.333 Apart from Sophie Vine who kind of came in and 0:08:10.373 --> 0:08:14.453 rescued the start a little bit. New Zealand was sort 0:08:14.453 --> 0:08:17.253 of outplayed in most departments, weren't they. As you say, 0:08:17.293 --> 0:08:20.413 not enough runs for the New Zealand bowling attack to defend. 0:08:22.453 --> 0:08:25.013 I'm not sure we can lose three top order wickets 0:08:25.013 --> 0:08:28.813 in the powerplay and you certainly haven't got time to 0:08:28.933 --> 0:08:32.733 repair a broken innings and t twenty have you? Fifty 0:08:32.813 --> 0:08:37.573 one dot balls? That's getting heading towards nine overs of 0:08:37.613 --> 0:08:42.853 nothing you know, and dead batting, and then even the 0:08:42.893 --> 0:08:45.653 strokes that New Zealand were playing. You know, if you 0:08:45.733 --> 0:08:49.813 take Divine's innings away New Zealand, the rest had eight 0:08:49.973 --> 0:08:54.493 boundaries and one six in the twenty Oh that's thirty 0:08:54.533 --> 0:08:59.373 eight runs in boundaries. So you need more. I mean, 0:08:59.413 --> 0:09:02.133 I don't know that they need more power. Perhaps we 0:09:02.133 --> 0:09:05.653 should bring more milk back into schools. I don't know, 0:09:06.053 --> 0:09:10.613 but I just I just think that that is a problem. 0:09:11.053 --> 0:09:14.773 Loads of singles. Please, can we just see some more 0:09:14.853 --> 0:09:18.053 twos and athletic running and angling the bat onto the 0:09:18.093 --> 0:09:22.773 book into a gap? Much more urgency required? Yeah, so, 0:09:22.893 --> 0:09:26.493 I mean eleven o's of spin thirty three for three 0:09:26.653 --> 0:09:30.693 by that's England bowling and Eccleston had a bad day, 0:09:31.533 --> 0:09:36.133 didn't she. So we need to do better there. And 0:09:36.173 --> 0:09:38.773 the last little point I guess I would make is 0:09:39.093 --> 0:09:41.653 baits again. As I mentioned last week, If you're going 0:09:41.653 --> 0:09:45.693 to play baits and batter at eight or nine and 0:09:45.733 --> 0:09:49.413 then bowl her for one over I'm sorry, that's not 0:09:49.573 --> 0:09:53.973 worth the place in the team. And you know, if 0:09:54.013 --> 0:09:56.173 you're going to bat down there, I mean, I've seen 0:09:56.213 --> 0:10:00.253 better from Nancy Patel. We do need another finger spinner, 0:10:01.333 --> 0:10:03.053 and I think it's probably if you're going to play 0:10:03.053 --> 0:10:05.533 with that sort of role of baits, you've got to 0:10:05.533 --> 0:10:07.893 play her Patel instead of Baits. 0:10:08.413 --> 0:10:08.573 Yeah. 0:10:08.653 --> 0:10:10.093 Otherwise with them. 0:10:10.413 --> 0:10:13.093 Yep, fair point. I think as you should still be 0:10:13.133 --> 0:10:18.013 down the order. There was encouraging signs from Sharp and 0:10:18.133 --> 0:10:24.733 also Breilling. I thought orders between your many duties. I'm 0:10:24.733 --> 0:10:27.293 sure you had a time to glance at that game. 0:10:27.573 --> 0:10:28.933 I did, indeed, and that was one of the points 0:10:28.973 --> 0:10:29.533 I was going to raise. 0:10:29.573 --> 0:10:31.693 Actually, I thought brit yelling bold well, I mean two 0:10:31.693 --> 0:10:35.333 for nineteen from four overs. But she looked tidy and 0:10:36.093 --> 0:10:39.293 was able to put together a good showing one area again, 0:10:39.373 --> 0:10:41.813 and I'm referring back as much as to the one 0:10:41.893 --> 0:10:44.413 day as I am the t twenties, I would like 0:10:44.453 --> 0:10:47.293 to see some sharper fielding at times. I just saw 0:10:47.293 --> 0:10:49.533 a couple of harbor bridges there. I thought, all that's 0:10:49.573 --> 0:10:52.293 that's runs lost. And you look back to that ode 0:10:52.333 --> 0:10:54.693 I and Ncipatel with the drop catch and the gully 0:10:54.773 --> 0:10:57.853 or backward point. You know, with that game and the 0:10:57.853 --> 0:11:01.493 balance that that stuff has to be sharper. A media 0:11:01.573 --> 0:11:04.693 cur talking afterwards, A media cur talking afterwards, saying, you 0:11:04.733 --> 0:11:06.533 know that they don't want to be playing the best 0:11:06.573 --> 0:11:08.893 game right now, you know, this game ahead of this 0:11:08.933 --> 0:11:11.773 tournament or whatever, but you want to be putting out 0:11:11.773 --> 0:11:14.093 a better showing than that. I think, and I think, 0:11:14.093 --> 0:11:16.253 I mean she was disappointed, But one hundred and thirty 0:11:16.253 --> 0:11:18.493 seven run target they've got there with sixteen balls to 0:11:18.573 --> 0:11:20.493 spare it, it's looking pretty comfortable for England. 0:11:20.533 --> 0:11:22.773 I mean, he's did a lot riding on this. 0:11:22.853 --> 0:11:24.973 I mean, they're defending the title, so they should be 0:11:25.013 --> 0:11:29.453 going in relatively confident. But yeah, again, do you see 0:11:29.493 --> 0:11:32.053 based down the orderlight that is just a bit jarring 0:11:32.093 --> 0:11:32.493 as well. 0:11:33.213 --> 0:11:36.053 Yes, indeed, And I guess we'll have to reserve our 0:11:36.053 --> 0:11:38.853 final judgment for their preparation until they played a couple 0:11:38.853 --> 0:11:42.173 of other games. The fielding both of you mentioned was 0:11:42.253 --> 0:11:44.573 quite interesting, but I think it wasn't one of the 0:11:44.573 --> 0:11:47.053 great grounds. She looked at how many times both sides 0:11:47.453 --> 0:11:50.693 struggled to pick the ball up because it bubbled on 0:11:50.973 --> 0:11:55.053 rough surfaces, and really, as a county ground, the outfield 0:11:55.093 --> 0:11:56.813 should have been a little bit better than that. So 0:11:57.813 --> 0:11:59.893 those are the sorts of things we'll be searching for 0:12:00.293 --> 0:12:04.693 in the remaining two games against England and hopefully that 0:12:04.813 --> 0:12:08.293 preparation will see them right for the World Tea. 0:12:08.933 --> 0:12:12.613 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 0:12:12.933 --> 0:12:15.493 Well, the men are heading off this week. Some have 0:12:15.613 --> 0:12:18.973 already gone to London the black Caps. 0:12:19.053 --> 0:12:20.533 Some leaving. 0:12:21.733 --> 0:12:26.453 Day in a day or two time. But we've seen 0:12:26.853 --> 0:12:32.053 the opposition put forward to us. We heard last week 0:12:32.093 --> 0:12:37.013 from Lawrence Booth, the editor of Wisdom, his view on 0:12:35.733 --> 0:12:39.533 the side that was chosen all is what do you 0:12:39.573 --> 0:12:41.933 make of the English team? 0:12:42.133 --> 0:12:44.093 Well, eventually the first one that springs to mind is 0:12:44.093 --> 0:12:47.213 to sing Ollie Robinson Beck and the side and whether 0:12:47.253 --> 0:12:50.013 they can always something as a player of quite some talent, 0:12:50.453 --> 0:12:53.133 but whether they can harness that. He's also can be 0:12:53.213 --> 0:12:54.813 quite loose and he put under pressure me in for 0:12:55.253 --> 0:12:57.253 I guess things he wrote on social media way back 0:12:57.293 --> 0:13:00.373 in the day and all these sorts of things. But 0:13:00.493 --> 0:13:01.853 whether they can do that, I mean they're going to 0:13:01.933 --> 0:13:05.013 have a new open zero sent I mean, I mean 0:13:05.093 --> 0:13:07.173 Zach Crawley had to go, didn't I suppose after been 0:13:07.173 --> 0:13:07.813 given such. 0:13:07.693 --> 0:13:09.653 A long lease through the Ashes etc. 0:13:10.693 --> 0:13:14.053 I'm probably as much interested in the wider context of 0:13:14.093 --> 0:13:17.213 English cric. I mean the fact that the McCullum Stokes 0:13:17.253 --> 0:13:20.213 partnership and along with Rob Key is as management, they've 0:13:20.213 --> 0:13:23.133 been given this incredible second chance to be able to 0:13:24.133 --> 0:13:26.653 galvanize things and to bring it back, probably with a 0:13:26.653 --> 0:13:30.373 bit more measured approach, and just seeing how that goes 0:13:30.573 --> 0:13:33.053 against them in New Zealand with the guinea pigs last 0:13:33.093 --> 0:13:35.093 time in twenty twenty two when McCullum was first brought 0:13:35.133 --> 0:13:37.653 in with that breath of fresh air and they dominated 0:13:37.733 --> 0:13:41.333 New Zealand with that three nail result. And I'm i 0:13:41.373 --> 0:13:44.533 suppose fascinated to see if that can re engage them 0:13:44.773 --> 0:13:49.613 after this second wind they've been given, and whether the 0:13:49.733 --> 0:13:51.973 dressing room is lost or not as a result of 0:13:52.333 --> 0:13:54.093 the poor Ashes showing. 0:13:54.893 --> 0:13:58.653 So yeah, some fresh talent being brought in, but yeah, 0:13:58.653 --> 0:14:00.293 it will be Yeah. 0:14:00.693 --> 0:14:03.773 I think the New Zealand side contrasts should be able 0:14:03.773 --> 0:14:05.773 to put up a pretty decent showing with the side 0:14:05.773 --> 0:14:06.413 they put together. 0:14:06.973 --> 0:14:07.213 Yeah. 0:14:07.293 --> 0:14:11.693 Lawrence Booth it is Reviewing Wisdom said that the Stokes 0:14:11.933 --> 0:14:19.093 McCullum regime was dogmatic, grew predictable, deaf to reason and 0:14:19.173 --> 0:14:23.213 says the team ran ran out of ideas and friends. 0:14:24.773 --> 0:14:26.973 Mccom's got to have work to do as well. Jerry 0:14:27.053 --> 0:14:28.613 is not going to be playing sailing for him, is it. 0:14:29.453 --> 0:14:31.453 Well, well, it's going to be interesting to see if 0:14:31.453 --> 0:14:35.293 he modifies the style that he's pushed so hard for. 0:14:36.173 --> 0:14:40.413 I mean, will the player's sense a change in his approach, 0:14:40.653 --> 0:14:44.253 and if he does, did he not believe it in 0:14:44.293 --> 0:14:47.533 the first place. It's going to be it's going that's 0:14:47.613 --> 0:14:51.133 quite an interesting one from a player perspective. I can't 0:14:51.133 --> 0:14:54.293 see him doing that. And then secondly, I think the 0:14:54.333 --> 0:14:57.293 off field stuff is going to mean to be they'll 0:14:57.373 --> 0:15:01.493 demand that that's tightened up. You can't have afford to 0:15:01.493 --> 0:15:03.893 have any more of the brook in New Zealand and 0:15:03.933 --> 0:15:10.813 the Ducket in nooser events, so that will be another 0:15:10.893 --> 0:15:14.053 pressure on them. Because he does believe very much on 0:15:14.093 --> 0:15:17.093 a fresh approach, doesn't he McCullum. He likes once you're 0:15:17.093 --> 0:15:19.853 not practicing those sort of things, and the team got 0:15:19.853 --> 0:15:22.013 together with golf and have a few drinks and that 0:15:22.053 --> 0:15:27.173 sort of thing. But he also had a very long leash. 0:15:27.373 --> 0:15:31.653 I mean, when Chris Silverwood was sacked he could implement 0:15:31.733 --> 0:15:34.733 his ideas with confidence. He got rob Key on his side, 0:15:34.773 --> 0:15:37.853 he got Stokes on his side. He got rid of 0:15:37.853 --> 0:15:43.373 some coaches fielding coach, not the batting coach. I think 0:15:43.413 --> 0:15:45.653 he kept, but the bowling coach for the seamers, maybe 0:15:45.693 --> 0:15:49.693 because he felt he had you know, experience, broad Anderson 0:15:50.013 --> 0:15:55.413 and Wokes there. But nevertheless he dismissed some people from 0:15:55.493 --> 0:16:00.493 the changing room. He became the selector. These are the 0:16:00.533 --> 0:16:03.133 sort of players I want. These are attributes that I want. 0:16:03.813 --> 0:16:05.813 Eighty five miles in our plus which is about one 0:16:05.853 --> 0:16:10.413 hundred and thirty eight k's and more aggressive field. Stokes 0:16:10.533 --> 0:16:13.293 was good at that. We haven't got a spinner. Let's 0:16:13.293 --> 0:16:16.413 pick a new spinner and get a high release point. 0:16:16.413 --> 0:16:17.893 It all looked a bit to me like they were 0:16:17.893 --> 0:16:21.893 looking towards Australia the whole time. But they didn't realize 0:16:21.893 --> 0:16:27.813 that Melbourne and Sydney has changed as grounds and pictures themselves. 0:16:27.893 --> 0:16:30.293 And it's a story if you go through the years, 0:16:30.333 --> 0:16:36.653 Wads and olders of a story of decline by results. 0:16:36.893 --> 0:16:39.813 They started extremely well, you're right, old as I was 0:16:39.853 --> 0:16:42.253 there for that three in the lost with New Zealand. 0:16:42.653 --> 0:16:45.173 They beat South Africa they drew with India. They beat 0:16:45.213 --> 0:16:50.453 Pakistan brilliantly over in Pakistan and he won over a 0:16:50.573 --> 0:16:53.973 lot of people, I think, McCullum, and then it started 0:16:53.973 --> 0:16:56.413 to turn a bit more to Custard. The point of 0:16:56.493 --> 0:17:00.453 difference was because we'd seen Australia Steve War's team in 0:17:00.453 --> 0:17:04.653 the Australia in two thousand. They played very aggressively as well. 0:17:05.213 --> 0:17:10.573 But what was different McCullum actually wanted it in all conditions. 0:17:11.533 --> 0:17:14.093 It doesn't matter what conditions where we are going to play. 0:17:14.373 --> 0:17:18.373 In fact, in when it's nipping about, you go harder. 0:17:19.133 --> 0:17:23.413 That was his message and that became that that came unstuck. 0:17:23.493 --> 0:17:27.773 There's no question about that, you know. The main point 0:17:27.813 --> 0:17:31.133 I would make is that because of the way that 0:17:31.173 --> 0:17:34.773 they ran the thing, there was basically the three of them, 0:17:34.773 --> 0:17:38.013 but McCullum was clearly in charge. Because there was a 0:17:38.053 --> 0:17:42.133 wider scope of influence, it should be easier to assess 0:17:42.173 --> 0:17:45.293 how their performance was. There were less people involved, no 0:17:45.453 --> 0:17:49.373 selectors really other than those three. Yeah, James Taylor was there, 0:17:49.413 --> 0:17:53.373 but in the background, and therefore the apportion the praise 0:17:53.493 --> 0:17:56.053 or the blame where things went wrong should be easier. 0:17:56.893 --> 0:17:59.573 And we now find of course that they you know, 0:18:00.053 --> 0:18:02.013 that that that they're all there. The other point I 0:18:02.333 --> 0:18:04.933 last point I would make about McCullum is I just 0:18:04.973 --> 0:18:08.253 think his victim is wrong. I just I maybe simplify 0:18:08.493 --> 0:18:12.813 and interpreting it correctly. But there has never been, and 0:18:12.933 --> 0:18:16.813 probably never will be, one way to play test cricket. 0:18:17.413 --> 0:18:20.413 I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean the concept 0:18:20.413 --> 0:18:23.333 they're looking to score has never been denied. You know, 0:18:24.453 --> 0:18:27.133 if you're batting, That's what batting is about, isn't it. 0:18:27.173 --> 0:18:30.053 But there's not one way to get to that place, 0:18:30.973 --> 0:18:35.053 you know. You know, some people accumulate, some people go 0:18:35.173 --> 0:18:37.973 hard and slow down, some people that are just shot makers, 0:18:37.973 --> 0:18:42.293 some people graft, you know, and strength. Heavens, people can 0:18:42.373 --> 0:18:45.973 do it differently, you know. I just feel there's a 0:18:46.053 --> 0:18:49.653 multiplicity of ways that you can kind of get there, okay. 0:18:49.813 --> 0:18:53.253 And I think the conditions will determine that. The opposition 0:18:53.333 --> 0:18:56.253 bowlers will determine it, the field setting will determine it. 0:18:56.493 --> 0:19:01.493 But to just attack, attack, sorry, that's not the way 0:19:01.533 --> 0:19:02.693 to play test cricket. 0:19:03.133 --> 0:19:05.453 It may well be an element of attack attack to 0:19:05.453 --> 0:19:06.973 a certain extent, because I don't think we're going to 0:19:06.973 --> 0:19:09.053 see too much spin bowling. Are we so it's going 0:19:09.133 --> 0:19:12.453 to be seam bowling, it's going to be stuff that 0:19:12.573 --> 0:19:16.373 could well, it's Lord's one of those decks where you 0:19:16.413 --> 0:19:23.053 can we can bowl short bounty stuff. Robinson likes to 0:19:23.053 --> 0:19:24.293 get in on the body, doesn't he. 0:19:24.733 --> 0:19:25.813 Well, yeah he does. 0:19:25.853 --> 0:19:28.653 And I was thinking of the poor you're raising there 0:19:28.693 --> 0:19:31.533 actually about the spin element, and it just becomes a 0:19:31.573 --> 0:19:35.573 bit one dimensional Test cricket doesn't or it lacks and 0:19:35.693 --> 0:19:38.053 when you don't have that spin element, I was noting that. 0:19:38.093 --> 0:19:40.493 I think since nineteen sixty nine you Zealand have taken 0:19:40.533 --> 0:19:43.773 a specialist spinner and played a specialst spinner at Lord's 0:19:43.773 --> 0:19:46.653 in every Test. I think it's been fourteen occasions since then, 0:19:47.333 --> 0:19:51.773 and I thought, not taking ages, but tell the summer I. 0:19:51.773 --> 0:19:53.573 See years playing over in England the moment. 0:19:53.613 --> 0:19:57.533 But you know, adding Foxcraft, I mean, I suppose you've 0:19:57.533 --> 0:20:00.693 got Phillips there, But does Phillips really approven spinner at 0:20:00.693 --> 0:20:03.973 this stage? I'm not sure of that that, but I 0:20:04.053 --> 0:20:06.413 think that, yeah, I'd like to see a bit more 0:20:06.453 --> 0:20:09.613 of that involvement in the series in Test cricket generally. 0:20:10.973 --> 0:20:13.373 But yeah, I mean the laws, I mean, Jeremy, we 0:20:13.453 --> 0:20:15.173 know more about this than I will, but about being 0:20:15.173 --> 0:20:16.853 able to use that slope as well. 0:20:16.893 --> 0:20:19.533 I mean, I'm looking forward from a New Zealand perspective and. 0:20:19.533 --> 0:20:22.733 Seeing how say Kyle Jamison or a will I Rourke 0:20:23.533 --> 0:20:25.853 can attack it in that regard with their height. Shame 0:20:25.933 --> 0:20:27.573 Jacob Duffy's not going to be part of the series 0:20:27.613 --> 0:20:33.093 with away on paternity leave. But yeah, it's an element 0:20:33.133 --> 0:20:35.293 that will certainly come into the frame. I think in 0:20:35.333 --> 0:20:36.493 that Losses match. 0:20:37.053 --> 0:20:39.333 Jerry, they'll play Root as their spinner, won't. 0:20:39.093 --> 0:20:44.133 They Root and Bethel Root probably ahead of him. Looking 0:20:44.173 --> 0:20:47.973 at their squad wads, I would say that the pressure 0:20:48.093 --> 0:20:51.773 on them to try and be more sympathetic to the 0:20:51.853 --> 0:20:55.853 County Championship. I talked about them as selectors before they 0:20:55.933 --> 0:20:59.013 decided the players they wanted, they decided where to look 0:20:59.053 --> 0:21:02.773 at it, they decided what that was it and so 0:21:02.893 --> 0:21:06.413 they kind of took the county championship and performances out 0:21:06.413 --> 0:21:10.413 of it, and the County champion Ship hated it, and 0:21:10.453 --> 0:21:12.733 so they've been asked to compromise a little bit. Let 0:21:13.813 --> 0:21:15.813 you and if you look at the names down the 0:21:15.853 --> 0:21:18.973 list of there, you'll see a lot more new names, 0:21:19.733 --> 0:21:24.413 but most of them won't play. That's the first point 0:21:24.653 --> 0:21:27.213 I think you'll find. Obviously there'll be an opener that 0:21:27.333 --> 0:21:30.093 looks like it's going to be a Meleio Gay from Durham. 0:21:30.533 --> 0:21:33.533 He's playing in the second division. He's a number three. 0:21:33.933 --> 0:21:36.853 You've got people like Sibley and Hamid who are playing 0:21:36.853 --> 0:21:39.333 one for Knots and one for Surrey, who are scored. 0:21:39.413 --> 0:21:43.093 Hamid not scoring runs. Sibly is but they maybe want 0:21:43.173 --> 0:21:46.693 don't want to go back that far. But so Duckett has. 0:21:46.973 --> 0:21:51.093 Duckett has said goodbye, ipl I'm not going and has 0:21:51.333 --> 0:21:54.573 given away money for that reason. And he has scored 0:21:54.573 --> 0:21:56.573 a lot of runs and is averaging probably in the 0:21:56.613 --> 0:22:00.853 eighties or nineties. So he's in, and then it'll be 0:22:00.853 --> 0:22:06.093 Bettel route brook Stokes. Stokes hasn't had It's interesting you 0:22:06.093 --> 0:22:09.573 would think batsmen, you'd think batsman what I would have thought. 0:22:09.613 --> 0:22:13.693 It's fundamental that you play some cricket to get into 0:22:13.773 --> 0:22:16.693 the rhythm of the game, first of all, to know 0:22:16.733 --> 0:22:19.893 how you stand to Then if have you got a trigger? 0:22:20.093 --> 0:22:22.733