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Speaker 2: Hi, nice to be back on the front foot and
Speaker 2: paraging signs from the White Pends and drawn one day
Speaker 2: series with England. Now the real reason they're in England
Speaker 2: World T twenty title defense. A lesson from Game one
Speaker 2: cleaks out of New Zealand Cricket You got kidding me?
Speaker 2: Is that something New England test squad revealed? Where are
Speaker 2: the weaknesses and will the black Cats be prepare for
Speaker 2: the challenge and the true story of the Scorpions Cricket Club.
Speaker 2: I've promised you from last week's podcast and a special
Speaker 2: guest this week, Jeremy, you'll be able to recognize him
Speaker 2: the moment you climb in that lift at Lords to
Speaker 2: go up to the turret. Andrew Ordison's going to be
Speaker 2: joining you there. That lovely trip up on the lift
Speaker 2: and orders is going to be on it heading out shortly,
Speaker 2: orders to lords.
Speaker 3: Absolutely looking forward to wads And yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5: I guess it depends who you've written about or broadcast
Speaker 5: about in the previous days.
Speaker 3: It laus as to how quickly that lift trip can go.
Speaker 5: But it's it's certainly worth it once you get there
Speaker 5: for the lunches and afternoon teas, et cetera.
Speaker 6: So long words that I'll know older is very well.
Speaker 6: I'll know history of his family just from the bottom
Speaker 6: of the start of that lift. There's only one floor up,
Speaker 6: that's no others. It is slow, I tell you what.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of people padly wildly to get that
Speaker 6: to go up and down.
Speaker 2: I can tell you I spent time in that lift
Speaker 2: when it didn't quite get to the top, and I
Speaker 2: was there quite some time with Michael Vaughan and Ian Botham,
Speaker 2: and both of them is more afraid of the closed spaces.
Speaker 2: He's claustrophobic like me. Boy I thought he was going
Speaker 2: to cut loose. Oh wow, it's good and so yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, we had a good old chat. You know.
Speaker 2: I was able to part a lot of knowledge to
Speaker 2: those guys on that trip.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, sure, you an immortal sunk.
Speaker 2: I learned a lot. I've got to say. Look, I
Speaker 2: was going to tell you about the Scorpion Cricket Club.
Speaker 2: Remember last week we told you eight hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: two for four of those school We didn't know who
Speaker 2: they'd played or how they got on with. It was
Speaker 2: a close match, well relatively close. They were playing Methane Lions.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not sure to fect methane have on Lions,
Speaker 2: but they managed to scrape together twenty eight for seven
Speaker 2: from seven point five overs and apparently that's where the
Speaker 2: game ended. And I don't know if you've seen the
Speaker 2: bowling figures, but the most economical bowler was Sydney Schumber
Speaker 2: nine overs none for one hundred and twenty he went
Speaker 2: for thirteen, while Morgan Chaffer bowled six overs none for
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four and he bowled twenty two
Speaker 2: point three overs. I think they took a bit of
Speaker 2: a pasting, didn't they.
Speaker 6: Well, at least they go to the crack at twenty
Speaker 6: eight for seven or whatever it was that you just
Speaker 6: told us and doing so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven overs leaks from New Zelland Cricket they've got
Speaker 2: investigators coming in to find out what's been going on.
Speaker 2: I don't know with a year up with that orders
Speaker 2: its secret squirrel stuff.
Speaker 6: Isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did like the headline Cricky Leaks. I thought there
Speaker 3: was clever was Yeah.
Speaker 5: I suppose it's the side of the times, is it.
Speaker 5: There's a feeling, you know, it's been feeling of unrest
Speaker 5: there for some period. You think about, you know, the
Speaker 5: departure of Scott ween Ink, You've got the privatized T
Speaker 5: twenty league proposed, et cetera. There's a lot of maybe
Speaker 5: angst about that, and yeah, it's just not going to
Speaker 5: help proceeds. I think once you bring people in to
Speaker 5: try and forarens it doesn't help the trust, does it
Speaker 5: in any organization once you know that's underway. I mean,
Speaker 5: I would have thought there's plenty of ways you could
Speaker 5: get material out of them in cheapest. We all rely
Speaker 5: on sources in New Zealand, cricket and elsewhere to to
Speaker 5: do stories sometimes and it's it's not all just opinion,
Speaker 5: et cetera. You try and build your sources. But it
Speaker 5: did have a feeling of the Kremlin about it. I've
Speaker 5: got to say if the indeed that is that is
Speaker 5: the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all had leaks over a period of time
Speaker 2: out of New Zealand Cricket. I mean I learned once
Speaker 2: from New Zealand Cricket to Jeremy Coney was going to
Speaker 2: captain the New Zealand cricket team, and that was leaked
Speaker 2: or long before it happened.
Speaker 6: But Judy, there wouldn't be you put my call. But
Speaker 6: what wouldn't be the story here? Isn't the story here
Speaker 6: that because the New Zealand twenty has been so secretive
Speaker 6: and that no one knows really very much about it
Speaker 6: at all, that there is an And yet there is
Speaker 6: quite a strong interest in what are you going to
Speaker 6: do with this very important component in our cricket season.
Speaker 6: We know the other competitions don't make money for New
Speaker 6: Zealand Cricket. It's costly. This one is supposed to make money.
Speaker 6: They've made a choice to go into private equity and
Speaker 6: have a private company running it. Are we going to
Speaker 6: make any money out of it? There's the first sort
Speaker 6: of little question we want to know, and then there's
Speaker 6: a whole raft of things after that. Aren't there How
Speaker 6: is it going to work? How are you going to
Speaker 6: make your money? So it's it is of interest, but
Speaker 6: we're not hearing anything, and I think that's why that's
Speaker 6: why there are leaks.
Speaker 5: When you when you have that kind of silence over anything,
Speaker 5: or you're not you're not getting as much communication or
Speaker 5: as much dialogue as you think you should be, then
Speaker 5: people will take those extra meases to try and create
Speaker 5: some if you like, Yes, it's a it can backfight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's something that the new chief executive is
Speaker 2: going to have to deal with too, because I understand
Speaker 2: there are other people who may be leaving the organization
Speaker 2: and you know, they've got to start with a clean slate.
Speaker 2: They've got to start with an open dialogue with the
Speaker 2: public and make sure that it works because it's important
Speaker 2: that now they've set the standard for the T twenty
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and New Zealand competition, it is successful
Speaker 2: because they don't want it as a drain on New
Speaker 2: Zealand cricket resources. It's got to go to a private
Speaker 2: company to be looked after and it's got to be
Speaker 2: a success. So putting it off by one year and
Speaker 2: finding the leaks, I'm sure is going to be really important.
Speaker 6: For them.
Speaker 2: The women's team in England, the White Fans. They drew
Speaker 2: the series with England one day as rain affected sadly,
Speaker 2: but at least they got up and won a game
Speaker 2: on the Duckworth Lewis system. England without their frontline captain
Speaker 2: Nat Siver Brunt, but they still had a fairly strong side.
Speaker 2: They had runs from players like Halliday and Green. Gays
Speaker 2: got some as well. Kerr wasn't needed solely to do
Speaker 2: the job. But it's the Tea twenties there Therefore, at
Speaker 2: the moment Jerry and I'm afraid the same old issues
Speaker 2: facing the side at the moment they aren't putting runs together.
Speaker 6: No, it was actually a bit of a thumping in
Speaker 6: the end, wasn't it. Emphatic went by England seven wickets
Speaker 6: and sixteen board. That's nearly that's getting towards three overs.
Speaker 6: Apart from Sophie Vine who kind of came in and
Speaker 6: rescued the start a little bit. New Zealand was sort
Speaker 6: of outplayed in most departments, weren't they. As you say,
Speaker 6: not enough runs for the New Zealand bowling attack to defend.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure we can lose three top order wickets
Speaker 6: in the powerplay and you certainly haven't got time to
Speaker 6: repair a broken innings and t twenty have you? Fifty
Speaker 6: one dot balls? That's getting heading towards nine overs of
Speaker 6: nothing you know, and dead batting, and then even the
Speaker 6: strokes that New Zealand were playing. You know, if you
Speaker 6: take Divine's innings away New Zealand, the rest had eight
Speaker 6: boundaries and one six in the twenty Oh that's thirty
Speaker 6: eight runs in boundaries. So you need more. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know that they need more power. Perhaps we
Speaker 6: should bring more milk back into schools. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I just I just think that that is a problem.
Speaker 6: Loads of singles. Please, can we just see some more
Speaker 6: twos and athletic running and angling the bat onto the
Speaker 6: book into a gap? Much more urgency required? Yeah, so,
Speaker 6: I mean eleven o's of spin thirty three for three
Speaker 6: by that's England bowling and Eccleston had a bad day,
Speaker 6: didn't she. So we need to do better there. And
Speaker 6: the last little point I guess I would make is
Speaker 6: baits again. As I mentioned last week, If you're going
Speaker 6: to play baits and batter at eight or nine and
Speaker 6: then bowl her for one over I'm sorry, that's not
Speaker 6: worth the place in the team. And you know, if
Speaker 6: you're going to bat down there, I mean, I've seen
Speaker 6: better from Nancy Patel. We do need another finger spinner,
Speaker 6: and I think it's probably if you're going to play
Speaker 6: with that sort of role of baits, you've got to
Speaker 6: play her Patel instead of Baits.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Otherwise with them.
Speaker 2: Yep, fair point. I think as you should still be
Speaker 2: down the order. There was encouraging signs from Sharp and
Speaker 2: also Breilling. I thought orders between your many duties. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you had a time to glance at that game.
Speaker 3: I did, indeed, and that was one of the points
Speaker 3: I was going to raise.
Speaker 5: Actually, I thought brit yelling bold well, I mean two
Speaker 5: for nineteen from four overs. But she looked tidy and
Speaker 5: was able to put together a good showing one area again,
Speaker 5: and I'm referring back as much as to the one
Speaker 5: day as I am the t twenties, I would like
Speaker 5: to see some sharper fielding at times. I just saw
Speaker 5: a couple of harbor bridges there. I thought, all that's
Speaker 5: that's runs lost. And you look back to that ode
Speaker 5: I and Ncipatel with the drop catch and the gully
Speaker 5: or backward point. You know, with that game and the
Speaker 5: balance that that stuff has to be sharper. A media
Speaker 5: cur talking afterwards, A media cur talking afterwards, saying, you
Speaker 5: know that they don't want to be playing the best
Speaker 5: game right now, you know, this game ahead of this
Speaker 5: tournament or whatever, but you want to be putting out
Speaker 5: a better showing than that. I think, and I think,
Speaker 5: I mean she was disappointed, But one hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: seven run target they've got there with sixteen balls to
Speaker 5: spare it, it's looking pretty comfortable for England.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's did a lot riding on this.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're defending the title, so they should be
Speaker 5: going in relatively confident. But yeah, again, do you see
Speaker 5: based down the orderlight that is just a bit jarring
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, And I guess we'll have to reserve our
Speaker 2: final judgment for their preparation until they played a couple
Speaker 2: of other games. The fielding both of you mentioned was
Speaker 2: quite interesting, but I think it wasn't one of the
Speaker 2: great grounds. She looked at how many times both sides
Speaker 2: struggled to pick the ball up because it bubbled on
Speaker 2: rough surfaces, and really, as a county ground, the outfield
Speaker 2: should have been a little bit better than that. So
Speaker 2: those are the sorts of things we'll be searching for
Speaker 2: in the remaining two games against England and hopefully that
Speaker 2: preparation will see them right for the World Tea.
Speaker 6: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: Well, the men are heading off this week. Some have
Speaker 2: already gone to London the black Caps.
Speaker 6: Some leaving.
Speaker 2: Day in a day or two time. But we've seen
Speaker 2: the opposition put forward to us. We heard last week
Speaker 2: from Lawrence Booth, the editor of Wisdom, his view on
Speaker 2: the side that was chosen all is what do you
Speaker 2: make of the English team?
Speaker 5: Well, eventually the first one that springs to mind is
Speaker 5: to sing Ollie Robinson Beck and the side and whether
Speaker 5: they can always something as a player of quite some talent,
Speaker 5: but whether they can harness that. He's also can be
Speaker 5: quite loose and he put under pressure me in for
Speaker 5: I guess things he wrote on social media way back
Speaker 5: in the day and all these sorts of things. But
Speaker 5: whether they can do that, I mean they're going to
Speaker 5: have a new open zero sent I mean, I mean
Speaker 5: Zach Crawley had to go, didn't I suppose after been
Speaker 5: given such.
Speaker 3: A long lease through the Ashes etc.
Speaker 5: I'm probably as much interested in the wider context of
Speaker 5: English cric. I mean the fact that the McCullum Stokes
Speaker 5: partnership and along with Rob Key is as management, they've
Speaker 5: been given this incredible second chance to be able to
Speaker 5: galvanize things and to bring it back, probably with a
Speaker 5: bit more measured approach, and just seeing how that goes
Speaker 5: against them in New Zealand with the guinea pigs last
Speaker 5: time in twenty twenty two when McCullum was first brought
Speaker 5: in with that breath of fresh air and they dominated
Speaker 5: New Zealand with that three nail result. And I'm i
Speaker 5: suppose fascinated to see if that can re engage them
Speaker 5: after this second wind they've been given, and whether the
Speaker 5: dressing room is lost or not as a result of
Speaker 5: the poor Ashes showing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, some fresh talent being brought in, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it will be Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the New Zealand side contrasts should be able
Speaker 5: to put up a pretty decent showing with the side
Speaker 5: they put together.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lawrence Booth it is Reviewing Wisdom said that the Stokes
Speaker 2: McCullum regime was dogmatic, grew predictable, deaf to reason and
Speaker 2: says the team ran ran out of ideas and friends.
Speaker 2: Mccom's got to have work to do as well. Jerry
Speaker 2: is not going to be playing sailing for him, is it.
Speaker 6: Well, well, it's going to be interesting to see if
Speaker 6: he modifies the style that he's pushed so hard for.
Speaker 6: I mean, will the player's sense a change in his approach,
Speaker 6: and if he does, did he not believe it in
Speaker 6: the first place. It's going to be it's going that's
Speaker 6: quite an interesting one from a player perspective. I can't
Speaker 6: see him doing that. And then secondly, I think the
Speaker 6: off field stuff is going to mean to be they'll
Speaker 6: demand that that's tightened up. You can't have afford to
Speaker 6: have any more of the brook in New Zealand and
Speaker 6: the Ducket in nooser events, so that will be another
Speaker 6: pressure on them. Because he does believe very much on
Speaker 6: a fresh approach, doesn't he McCullum. He likes once you're
Speaker 6: not practicing those sort of things, and the team got
Speaker 6: together with golf and have a few drinks and that
Speaker 6: sort of thing. But he also had a very long leash.
Speaker 6: I mean, when Chris Silverwood was sacked he could implement
Speaker 6: his ideas with confidence. He got rob Key on his side,
Speaker 6: he got Stokes on his side. He got rid of
Speaker 6: some coaches fielding coach, not the batting coach. I think
Speaker 6: he kept, but the bowling coach for the seamers, maybe
Speaker 6: because he felt he had you know, experience, broad Anderson
Speaker 6: and Wokes there. But nevertheless he dismissed some people from
Speaker 6: the changing room. He became the selector. These are the
Speaker 6: sort of players I want. These are attributes that I want.
Speaker 6: Eighty five miles in our plus which is about one
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty eight k's and more aggressive field. Stokes
Speaker 6: was good at that. We haven't got a spinner. Let's
Speaker 6: pick a new spinner and get a high release point.
Speaker 6: It all looked a bit to me like they were
Speaker 6: looking towards Australia the whole time. But they didn't realize
Speaker 6: that Melbourne and Sydney has changed as grounds and pictures themselves.
Speaker 6: And it's a story if you go through the years,
Speaker 6: Wads and olders of a story of decline by results.
Speaker 6: They started extremely well, you're right, old as I was
Speaker 6: there for that three in the lost with New Zealand.
Speaker 6: They beat South Africa they drew with India. They beat
Speaker 6: Pakistan brilliantly over in Pakistan and he won over a
Speaker 6: lot of people, I think, McCullum, and then it started
Speaker 6: to turn a bit more to Custard. The point of
Speaker 6: difference was because we'd seen Australia Steve War's team in
Speaker 6: the Australia in two thousand. They played very aggressively as well.
Speaker 6: But what was different McCullum actually wanted it in all conditions.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what conditions where we are going to play.
Speaker 6: In fact, in when it's nipping about, you go harder.
Speaker 6: That was his message and that became that that came unstuck.
Speaker 6: There's no question about that, you know. The main point
Speaker 6: I would make is that because of the way that
Speaker 6: they ran the thing, there was basically the three of them,
Speaker 6: but McCullum was clearly in charge. Because there was a
Speaker 6: wider scope of influence, it should be easier to assess
Speaker 6: how their performance was. There were less people involved, no
Speaker 6: selectors really other than those three. Yeah, James Taylor was there,
Speaker 6: but in the background, and therefore the apportion the praise
Speaker 6: or the blame where things went wrong should be easier.
Speaker 6: And we now find of course that they you know,
Speaker 6: that that that they're all there. The other point I
Speaker 6: last point I would make about McCullum is I just
Speaker 6: think his victim is wrong. I just I maybe simplify
Speaker 6: and interpreting it correctly. But there has never been, and
Speaker 6: probably never will be, one way to play test cricket.
Speaker 6: I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean the concept
Speaker 6: they're looking to score has never been denied. You know,
Speaker 6: if you're batting, That's what batting is about, isn't it.
Speaker 6: But there's not one way to get to that place,
Speaker 6: you know. You know, some people accumulate, some people go
Speaker 6: hard and slow down, some people that are just shot makers,
Speaker 6: some people graft, you know, and strength. Heavens, people can
Speaker 6: do it differently, you know. I just feel there's a
Speaker 6: multiplicity of ways that you can kind of get there, okay.
Speaker 6: And I think the conditions will determine that. The opposition
Speaker 6: bowlers will determine it, the field setting will determine it.
Speaker 6: But to just attack, attack, sorry, that's not the way
Speaker 6: to play test cricket.
Speaker 2: It may well be an element of attack attack to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, because I don't think we're going to
Speaker 2: see too much spin bowling. Are we so it's going
Speaker 2: to be seam bowling, it's going to be stuff that
Speaker 2: could well, it's Lord's one of those decks where you
Speaker 2: can we can bowl short bounty stuff. Robinson likes to
Speaker 2: get in on the body, doesn't he.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah he does.
Speaker 5: And I was thinking of the poor you're raising there
Speaker 5: actually about the spin element, and it just becomes a
Speaker 5: bit one dimensional Test cricket doesn't or it lacks and
Speaker 5: when you don't have that spin element, I was noting that.
Speaker 5: I think since nineteen sixty nine you Zealand have taken
Speaker 5: a specialist spinner and played a specialst spinner at Lord's
Speaker 5: in every Test. I think it's been fourteen occasions since then,
Speaker 5: and I thought, not taking ages, but tell the summer I.
Speaker 3: See years playing over in England the moment.
Speaker 5: But you know, adding Foxcraft, I mean, I suppose you've
Speaker 5: got Phillips there, But does Phillips really approven spinner at
Speaker 5: this stage? I'm not sure of that that, but I
Speaker 5: think that, yeah, I'd like to see a bit more
Speaker 5: of that involvement in the series in Test cricket generally.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean the laws, I mean, Jeremy, we
Speaker 5: know more about this than I will, but about being
Speaker 5: able to use that slope as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking forward from a New Zealand perspective and.
Speaker 5: Seeing how say Kyle Jamison or a will I Rourke
Speaker 5: can attack it in that regard with their height. Shame
Speaker 5: Jacob Duffy's not going to be part of the series
Speaker 5: with away on paternity leave. But yeah, it's an element
Speaker 5: that will certainly come into the frame. I think in
Speaker 5: that Losses match.
Speaker 2: Jerry, they'll play Root as their spinner, won't.
Speaker 6: They Root and Bethel Root probably ahead of him. Looking
Speaker 6: at their squad wads, I would say that the pressure
Speaker 6: on them to try and be more sympathetic to the
Speaker 6: County Championship. I talked about them as selectors before they
Speaker 6: decided the players they wanted, they decided where to look
Speaker 6: at it, they decided what that was it and so
Speaker 6: they kind of took the county championship and performances out
Speaker 6: of it, and the County champion Ship hated it, and
Speaker 6: so they've been asked to compromise a little bit. Let
Speaker 6: you and if you look at the names down the
Speaker 6: list of there, you'll see a lot more new names,
Speaker 6: but most of them won't play. That's the first point
Speaker 6: I think you'll find. Obviously there'll be an opener that
Speaker 6: looks like it's going to be a Meleio Gay from Durham.
Speaker 6: He's playing in the second division. He's a number three.
Speaker 6: You've got people like Sibley and Hamid who are playing
Speaker 6: one for Knots and one for Surrey, who are scored.
Speaker 6: Hamid not scoring runs. Sibly is but they maybe want
Speaker 6: don't want to go back that far. But so Duckett has.
Speaker 6: Duckett has said goodbye, ipl I'm not going and has
Speaker 6: given away money for that reason. And he has scored
Speaker 6: a lot of runs and is averaging probably in the
Speaker 6: eighties or nineties. So he's in, and then it'll be
Speaker 6: Bettel route brook Stokes. Stokes hasn't had It's interesting you
Speaker 6: would think batsmen, you'd think batsman what I would have thought.
Speaker 6: It's fundamental that you play some cricket to get into
Speaker 6: the rhythm of the game, first of all, to know
Speaker 6: how you stand to Then if have you got a trigger?
Speaker 6: Do you do something before the ball is bold, like
Speaker 6: a trigger movement? We call it. How much is that
Speaker 6: get that right? Can you let the ball? Can you
Speaker 6: stop the ball? You know those kind of and then
Speaker 6: getting into the rhythm of batting and forming an innings.
Speaker 6: What's a single you need that you need that practice? Well,
Speaker 6: Bestel's going to get no games over there. Roots had
Speaker 6: three matches, Brookers had two of the six they've played,
Speaker 6: Stokes has had two. Smith has had six. So there's
Speaker 6: there are the top six or seven batsmen we're talking about.
Speaker 6: Rule will probably be I would have thought the young
Speaker 6: kids the sort of backup batsman, the utility batsman, I
Speaker 6: would have thought, and I would have thought that the
Speaker 6: bowl in looking at that would be players No archer, Yeah,
Speaker 6: what's going on there? Boys?
Speaker 2: Well, he's playing IPL.
Speaker 6: He's finished at the IPL. When this comes around. I mean,
Speaker 6: Rajastan are fourth at the moment and if they won't
Speaker 6: the next one, they'll get through. But theoretically he is
Speaker 6: available to play, isn't he? And he is also contracted
Speaker 6: by a central contract between and I googled it just
Speaker 6: for interest between nine hundred and a million, nine hundred
Speaker 6: thousand and two a million for two years, two year
Speaker 6: deal behind what well you double at the course for
Speaker 6: a New Zealand salary. So that's a bit. That's a
Speaker 6: lot of money to get for a central contract that's
Speaker 6: not for each game and things like that. You know,
Speaker 6: that's none of those. So theoretically, couldn't it he pulled
Speaker 6: out of the IPL. And if not, why shouldn't he
Speaker 6: grab six dukes balls and be practicing for an hour
Speaker 6: of bowling and go and get you know that little
Speaker 6: you know the guy who was the guy who's was
Speaker 6: it Clary Grimmert who out of Fox Terrier used to
Speaker 6: go and get the ball from there? He needs that,
Speaker 6: you know. And so I just I just think him
Speaker 6: making the choice to play at the IPL, that's his decision.
Speaker 6: It's not ECB, is it. It's him? And if you
Speaker 6: have already signed a contract with the ECB. I just
Speaker 6: don't like the way players are doing this. I think
Speaker 6: it's it's stupid to be paying someone a central contract
Speaker 6: like that and yet there he is playing for someone else.
Speaker 2: It's been criticized by a number of leading players, and
Speaker 2: of course Michael Vaughan, who's not sure of a word
Speaker 2: or two on any subject, was critical. But I agree
Speaker 2: with him. I mean, they're talking, what aren't they bowling loads?
Speaker 2: He's got to have the bowling load. She's got to
Speaker 2: have a red ball. Cricket andress wilt, but you're right
Speaker 2: he should be preparing that way, as should the New
Speaker 2: Zealanders who've been playing IPL been using red ball as
Speaker 2: well in terms of their preparation, although most of them
Speaker 2: have basically left Rutch and Ravendra didn't have any red ball.
Speaker 2: He's heading off with the team having not had an
Speaker 2: IPL game, and that there have been others who've been
Speaker 2: playing in the IPL, but they'll be joining the side
Speaker 2: pretty soon, I would imagine ahead of Ireland.
Speaker 5: It hasn't been too many New Zealanders seeming in the
Speaker 5: accident of the IPL, certainly in the recent couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: And I think you've.
Speaker 5: Got these Island tests where players are going to be
Speaker 5: in and then outs coming into just perhaps the one
Speaker 5: tiest only. But I was pleased to see that they
Speaker 5: had that camp down in christ Church to at least
Speaker 5: start to prepare for red ball again and to get into,
Speaker 5: like you mentioned that, the rhythm of although of course
Speaker 5: game time will always trump that and apart from the
Speaker 5: Island match, is not going to be that level of
Speaker 5: warm up that you want for any Test two of
Speaker 5: these days with the way they just go in and
Speaker 5: come out. But I am hoping that those New Zealand,
Speaker 5: that New Zealand might shine at those venues. I mean
Speaker 5: Lord's Nottingham and the Oval. So I mean, Jeremy, what's
Speaker 5: your take on the Opal and what New Zealand last
Speaker 5: well playing a Test matsually? I think winning in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety nine as part of that series victory in England.
Speaker 3: But are they going to be suited to playing on
Speaker 3: that surface?
Speaker 6: The Oval is flat. If you look at the totals
Speaker 6: that Surrey and whoever they opposition have been, they've been
Speaker 6: very log I mean Duckett, I mentioned him. He's just
Speaker 6: come away with two hundred not out, hasn't he at
Speaker 6: the Oval? So I mean June is still regarded as
Speaker 6: early season obviously over there, generally it's a time when
Speaker 6: seemas dominate. But these pitch have so far been soft
Speaker 6: and slow, and so the bowlers have been taken out.
Speaker 6: There's been a lot of spin bowling actually leg spinners
Speaker 6: and so on. So look, I don't know. I think
Speaker 6: we'll miss Duffy. I agree with you. I said that
Speaker 6: last week Wads because he bowls nice, durable, long spells
Speaker 6: and with two people coming back from stress fractures, I
Speaker 6: would be a bit concerned. They don't know yet how
Speaker 6: many overs they can bowl a day, and I wonder
Speaker 6: about getting through the day. We do not have a
Speaker 6: frontline spinner. It's not Fox Foxcroft isn't a frontline spinner.
Speaker 6: Nora's Ratchein and Nora's Phillips, they're not there.
Speaker 3: That sat or.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately injured and that's a shame and a shame also
Speaker 6: that Braceful is not is decided to go a different way.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think we will miss miss Duffy, but
Speaker 6: that's gone now, so he's going to you know, someone's
Speaker 6: going to have to bowl those overs. That's pretty simple.
Speaker 6: But that could be a potential weakness in the New
Speaker 6: Zealand side. We don't know how much betting Williamson has had.
Speaker 6: How much betting is he had not a lot? Is
Speaker 6: he lsg or something like that.
Speaker 3: I presume maybe he's part of it.
Speaker 5: He's been able to practice the regard, you hope, so,
Speaker 5: because they'll need it going into those into that environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally this week, a little bit of trivia. I
Speaker 2: know how you like being blindsided, Jerry by trivia that
Speaker 2: you know nothing has been.
Speaker 6: Revealed to you. I don't really care about it, but
Speaker 6: that's all right, Yes, carry on.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: Here's the question, who's the only player and Test cricket
Speaker 2: to score an unbeaten hundred in the fourth innings of
Speaker 2: a Test? Where it was the only hundred of the match.
Speaker 2: The fourth innings total was the highest innings. It was
Speaker 2: part of a successful run chase occurred on the fifth day.
Speaker 2: The answer Jeremy Canny.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't have a clue?
Speaker 2: Oh what about your orders?
Speaker 3: The answer, well, I think this is a magnificent question.
Speaker 5: I thought about this for ages actually, and then I
Speaker 5: just suddenly realized it was quite close to home.
Speaker 6: Was that it is to where we are right now?
Speaker 2: Exactly the answer as I gave it, The answer Jeremy
Speaker 2: Canney is Jeremy Canney.
Speaker 6: Well, that is the most significant piece of trivia I've
Speaker 6: ever heard. But it was a great I couldn't even
Speaker 6: tell you who was it? What was the question? Again?
Speaker 6: I lost interest as soon as it got too convoluted for.
Speaker 2: The last person who scored the only person to score
Speaker 2: one hundred and the fourth innings of a Test the
Speaker 2: Test was one and it was the only hundred of
Speaker 2: the match.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, I do remember that now, mate. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, you brought up one of my better days.
Speaker 5: I remember coming home from school. I can remember coming
Speaker 5: home from school and watching that. There was absolutely brilliant drama.
Speaker 5: I suppose you'd say, but I just think all those
Speaker 5: variables stacked up there is that's quite unique, isn't.
Speaker 3: It the game all that sort of stuff. I thought
Speaker 3: it was a terrific trivia question and.
Speaker 2: The one of the one of the things that really
Speaker 2: got on my work though, was that New Zealand won
Speaker 2: the Test. Caney got the only hundred, but was he
Speaker 2: Macram who had been worn for bowling excessive bounces at
Speaker 2: kens and Chatfield won the Man of the match?
Speaker 5: Who was picking indeed, who was picking Man of the
Speaker 5: match was outrageous.
Speaker 6: Probably into Carbalum, that's right. Yeah, yeah, I didn't realize
Speaker 6: all that was or I was. I was just keen
Speaker 6: on getting Chaps through, which he did brilliantly. And then
Speaker 6: as we ran off the field, being we're having to
Speaker 6: avoid I remember Aunties and things like that, running with
Speaker 6: their knitting and things that we had to get away
Speaker 6: from them and get under the safety of the sawdust
Speaker 6: under the stand at Cherisbrook and finding down the labyrinth
Speaker 6: of changing rooms. We had to find Lance Keirns, who
Speaker 6: had been hit if you remember, in the head, and
Speaker 6: of course went off for a little went off for
Speaker 6: a sort of an MM whatever they call them nowadays.
Speaker 6: And when I asked him the next day and I
Speaker 6: said what did they find? He said nothing. I said,
Speaker 6: bloody right, there's absolutely nothing there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there was so many and fred Fred Goodrell
Speaker 2: was the umpire, of course, and he warned, was he
Speaker 2: machrim about? And it was brought to my mind by
Speaker 2: a video I saw of a Javid me and Dad
Speaker 2: having a kiss at Fred and it was yeah, memory, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll find the audio of that and play at some time.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time, all of it. I
Speaker 2: was just going to finish off with a final personal note.
Speaker 2: An interesting little story. A former Wellington batsman by the
Speaker 2: name of Paul Standarde, who recently passed away at the
Speaker 2: age of ninety two, had had the odd game for Wellington,
Speaker 2: but he is remembered as the man hit a ball
Speaker 2: into a tram, So the trams that used to go
Speaker 2: round the Basin Reserve. He hit a ball over the fence.
Speaker 2: It landed on those route numbers. You know that you
Speaker 2: used to sit up on the top of the trams.
Speaker 2: I don't know all of us whether he saw trams
Speaker 2: and Wellington in those days, but it ended up in there,
Speaker 2: lodged there and the tram headed off down to Island Bay.
Speaker 2: So it was the hugest, largest longest six ever h
Speaker 2: by Paul Standards at the Basin Reserve. I suppose it's
Speaker 2: a memory you can take to your grave, but rest
Speaker 2: in peace. Porl Standards knew him very well. Died last
Speaker 2: week at the age of ninety two.
Speaker 6: So the timing was great time. He knows the timetable
Speaker 6: for the trams quite frequently coming down towards the basin,
Speaker 6: so it wasn't easy. And then he had to time
Speaker 6: it with the bowling. Then he had to launch it
Speaker 6: into the air and get it far enough, and then
Speaker 6: to hit the tram as it was going round the
Speaker 6: corner down there where they did have a stop. Actually
Speaker 6: or or certainly as kids we used to leap off
Speaker 6: and occasionally not pedestrians. But yeah, it was that. That's
Speaker 6: that's a great story, isn't it. I didn't know that story.
Speaker 6: Good road, is it?
Speaker 3: The direction of the train would have gone.
Speaker 2: It used to go up inlaid road.
Speaker 6: Yeah around me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great yarn. Yeah, it was a good
Speaker 2: story I remember at the time and there, and of
Speaker 2: course it was very well handled by Nivile Lodge on
Speaker 2: his cartoons on the front page of.
Speaker 6: The Sports Post on Saturday night. Yeah exactly, they were good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, guys, thanks very much to all of us.
Speaker 2: All the best on your trip. You're going away about
Speaker 2: the same time as JC. You might get on the
Speaker 2: same plane. I don't know. Good luck to you, both
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: And I'll be right and Jerry or two left, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll sit in the lounge.
Speaker 6: And watch night.
Speaker 7: I can tell you, mate, I'll tell you no way,
Speaker 7: all right, good boy, Okay, cheers, cheers boy Summer.
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