1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: So the Green's got together over the weekend to sort 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: the Darling Tanna shambles and ended up not sorting the 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Darling Tanna shambles. The Leadership's written to miss Tanna and 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: given a twenty one day has to resign. Go leader 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Chloe swarbricks with us, good morning to you, very well, 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: thank you to deal with the Pacific thing. Have you 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: got some senior members walking out? And if they did, 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: how many and why. 9 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: So? As you may have seen in the reporting, there 10 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: were three members. And look, as far as I'm concerned, 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: no one is beyond approach. So when somebody makes accusations 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: like this, I want to take time to sit with them. Obviously, 13 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: it's a pretty charged atmosphere and people have come from 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: a place of upset. And when people feel hurt, I 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: tend to take the view that we should take that seriously. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: And what have they heard about? 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: They feel hurt about their views and their perspective on 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: how things have been handled. Once again, you know, as 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: particularly I've said throughout this time, when some have made 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: accusations or upheld there or said their views with regard 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: to how things have been dealt with regard to Darlene Tanna, 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: I've been really clear that obviously I am the Parkier 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: in the room, and the honorable Martam and Davidson is 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: literally on cancer leave, but she has been really actively 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: involved through this process. So we'll take time today. There's that, 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: and we'll work through it and look to the point 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: that I'd make here, Mike, democracy can be messy. It 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: means that people have different opinions, and the Greens are 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: actually really proud of holding space for those different opinions 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: so that we can work through those different perspectives to 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: come to more enduring, stronger and sustainable decisions. 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: Is it a bit more messy given it to the 33 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Greens than anyone else would deal with it? 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: Well, I mean you might think, but I second that 35 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: this is this growing pains. This is actually part of 36 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: the call to action that I put out to the 37 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: party membership and my speech on Saturday. Right, Look, we 38 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: have a long, proud history in the last thirty years 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: of campaigning for ecological and economic justice. But all of 40 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: that stuff means nothing if we cannot put it into practice. 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: If we are left clinging to our terms of evidence, 42 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: feeling and knowing that we were right. When the last 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: three is cut down that's why I've said to the 44 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 2: Greens that it is our job to actually reach out 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: to communities and to gain the trust of the people 46 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: who we believe the lives will bestibly improved by our policies, 47 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: because I genuinely believe that most New Zealanders to actually 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: care for each other in the planet that we live on. 49 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: But obviously we've got looks to do. 50 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: What's your vibe on the numbers when because she's not resigning, 51 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: So in twenty one days when you have you another monking, 52 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: do you have the numbers to enact the walker jumping 53 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: or not? 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: So just I think it's really important to care things up, 55 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: especially with the way that you frame things about that 56 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: letter for myself and mardamnuss. So there are two separate 57 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: processes that are happening at the same time. In order 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: to use the electoral integrity colloquially known as the party 59 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: hopping or waker dumping legislation, you actually do need to 60 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: under the legislation right to the member of Parliament that 61 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: you believe is distorting probortionality and provide them with twenty 62 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: one working days to respond. So that's twenty one working 63 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: days obviously weekends not included in that. That is a 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: pretty on part time frame for what we've called and 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: given the notice for our special genuine meeting for our members. 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: So we will be and our members will be going 67 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: out and talking to their branches and networks and provinces 68 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: in that time, but they will also have hopefully that 69 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: response from Darling Tana to consider well and the evidence 70 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: at that est. 71 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: See she's not responding having said that, So you don't 72 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: have a vibe. I mean, I'm not holding you too. 73 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, did you get a sense that it 74 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: will be enacted? 75 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 2: Or people are pretty frustrated? Mich People are pretty frustrated. 76 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: But as I think I've discussed with you in the 77 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: past on the show and with many reporters and commentators, 78 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: this is obviously something that we have a webs history 79 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: with and we've got to reconcile that. And I think 80 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: that's the point of why we're in the Greens and 81 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: the Greens we do like to talk through issues and 82 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: we like to genuinely consider each other's opinions. That's the 83 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: point of democracy. We very loudly and proudly uphold that 84 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: into an democracy, it's not just empty words. 85 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: More importantly for me, given you didn't release the whole 86 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: report and there's other investigations going on, what's your view 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: of Darling Tana. Did she abuse migrants? 88 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: So being really clear, as has Martemer and our caucus 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: unanimously that we do not believe that she is fit 90 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: to be a member of Parliament and what Mike has revorced. 91 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: It's a migrant abuser. 92 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: I don't think that it is helpful for me to 93 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: weigh in in such a way which could potentially open 94 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: legal cases or otherwise. The point of that report was 95 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: to ascertain what Darling Tana knew and when, and obviously 96 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: the subject of those allegations were those which include the 97 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: likes of migrant exploitation. And as I made the point 98 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: in my media stand up yesterday, we've also heard from 99 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: some of those workers who want me to make the 100 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: point really clearly in the public domain that one of 101 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: them is still owed at least thirty six thousand dollars 102 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: from an ar case that has been concluded, which has 103 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: not been paid back. So I want to send to 104 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: the real victims here, and we've never been confronted with 105 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: a situation like this, So we are working through a 106 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: process to make sure that we upot hold our values 107 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: and have a sustain doable and enduring conclusion and solution 108 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: which we can rightfully defend because we know that natural 109 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: justice was upheld all right. 110 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate you time very much, Chobe Sawbrick, the co leader 111 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: of the Green Party. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 112 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: listen live to News Talks at B from six am weekdays, 113 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.