1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: Auto Automatic. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 2: Has been ordered to pay a foster family one hundred 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: and eight thousand dollars. Now, this is the case of Molwana, 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: where OT tried to remove the girl because she's Mardi 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: and the foster parents are pakiher. The money the order 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: of the costs covers the legal bills that the foster 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: family racked up trying to keep the girl in their care. 8 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: The judge who ordered this called Auto Atomiqi's behavior egregious. 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 2: Karen Chaw as the Minister for Children. 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: Hey, Karen, Hi, how's it going. 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm very well think this is a disgrace. A this 12 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: case is a disgrace from start to finish, isn't it. 13 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: Yes, I absolutely agree, and this case really highlights why 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 3: I thought so hard to repeal section seven AA of 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: the Utung Automotici Act, because this just shows what that 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: meant in practice. It's absolutely devastating for everybody involved. And 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 3: I've made it very clear to Autong Automiticque that this 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: is unacceptable and it is not to happen again. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Do you think that people who gave you a hard 20 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: time in Parliament about wanting to repeal that seven AA 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: the treaty principle have no idea what happened to Muana 22 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: and her family because of it. 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: Yes I do, and so this makes it very clear 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: to everybody what it meant in practice, and that one 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: hundred and eight thousand dollars is the cost of the 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: idealistic approach of the previous government, where this by Maori 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: for Maori approach and faro first at all costs actually 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: means in practice, it doesn't mean the safety and the 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 3: wellbeing of the young person. It doesn't mean prioritizing making 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: sure that that young person is loved and cared for. 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: It meant prioritizing kinship over every other consideration, and that's 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: just unacceptable. Safety and well being should come first. And 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: this is just another case that highlights. 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: That Karen is anybody in ot going to lose their 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: job over this. 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: Look, the operational side I can't have control over. But 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: what I do have control over is changing the culture 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: with an auto automotic key. And an organization is only 39 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: as strong as their leadership, and leadership needs to set 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: that direction that we're no longer taking that approach, it 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: cannot happen, and that the safety and the well being 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: of young people is first and foremostka also treat our 43 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: keygivers with respect. That's the other issue. Our keygivers are 44 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: so important and they need to be valued. Auto Atomid 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: key would not function without these wonderful people that put 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: their hands up every day to give our young people 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: a safe environment. Because why I've set that as a 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: KPI for our chief executives. 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: Could not agree with you more. Who is the CEOT now? 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: So we have we have an acting chief Executive currently 51 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: whilst we're looking for atmody. 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: Have you talked to this person about whether they think 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: that this was the right use of time and resources 54 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: or is that something that you're going to deal with 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: once you got the new one in. 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: So the new chief Executive will have the direction of 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: safety well being first, and I have had many conversations 58 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: with the acting Chief Executive around the direction of Audonga Tomadiki. 59 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: We're on the same page and we're making sure that 60 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: that message is loud and clear. 61 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: All right, Karen, Thanks very much, Karen s your Minister 62 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: for Children. 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: For more from hither Duplassy Alan Drive, listen live to 64 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: news talks they'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.