Speaker 1: Altro. Welcome to the BOYC Podcast, a special edition post
Speaker 1: mortem show coming to you from at the Export Beer
Speaker 1: Garden Studio on a Friday after one of the saddest
Speaker 1: days Satust weeks in recent New Zealand cricket history. You
Speaker 1: can hear the strains of Henry Purcell's akingly Sad Diado's
Speaker 1: lament a company today's podcast as we look back on
Speaker 1: yesterday's defeat at the hands and bats of the tournament
Speaker 1: hosts West Indies and reflect on what I'm going to
Speaker 1: say is probably New Zealand's worst ever performance at a
Speaker 1: T twenty Cricket World Cup. It is right down there
Speaker 1: with not making it out of the group stages in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, with a squad captained by Daniel
Speaker 1: Vettori featuring Brendan Diamante, Peter McGlashan and Ian O'Brien. In fact,
Speaker 1: in the eight T twenty World Cup tournaments since the
Speaker 1: inaugural one in two thousand and seven, we've been runner
Speaker 1: up to once, knocked out in the semis three times
Speaker 1: and made the Super eight or Super ten three times,
Speaker 1: chaot in the group stage only once Until this week,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four will be our t twenty Cricket World
Speaker 1: Cup n It's horribilius on this front, in barring mathematical
Speaker 1: and probabilities and freakis results in the coming minutes from PND. Yes,
Speaker 1: unfortunate for godfather of the basebagade. I'm joined on this
Speaker 1: ignominious day by Dylan Plea, the ol Pleasi Dente of
Speaker 1: the substep newsletter The Bounce DC. How did you enjoy
Speaker 1: yesterday's Do or Die game in San Fernando.
Speaker 2: I really didn't enjoy it at all, Paul, but thanks
Speaker 2: for leading me into that. In fact, I wrote just
Speaker 2: to give my news letter The Bounce a bit of
Speaker 2: a plug here. I wrote in The Bounce today that
Speaker 2: New Zealand took the piss out of this tournament, and
Speaker 2: the tournament ended. The tournament ended up taking the piss
Speaker 2: out of New Zealand, and I said, it's already been
Speaker 2: quoted somewhere, so it's obviously a line that's resonated with
Speaker 2: a couple of people, and that's honestly how I feel
Speaker 2: about it. You mentioned that two thousand and nine tournament,
Speaker 2: and I barely remember it, but I think even back
Speaker 2: then we were still trying to convince ourselves that Teach
Speaker 2: when he was just a flash in a pan that
Speaker 2: it didn't really mean anything. It was that kind of
Speaker 2: who cares, you know. It was the sort of tournament
Speaker 2: that you'd happily takee Brenda Diamante you off to. But
Speaker 2: now we can't say that. I mean, sure, there's still
Speaker 2: a lot of us for which Teach when he is
Speaker 2: our least favorite of the formats, but you're naive in
Speaker 2: the extreme if you don't recognize its important part in
Speaker 2: the future of cricket's fabric, and in fact there's the
Speaker 2: financial driver of cricket. So yeah, in summary, woeful, we
Speaker 2: got what we deserved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very very tough watch. You say it
Speaker 1: was tense. It was effectively a knockout game with New
Speaker 1: Zealand now needing to sit pass Afghanistan on the table
Speaker 1: to go through, and it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, it's extremely unlikely, and we'll probably almost know by
Speaker 1: the end of this podcast whether it's going to be
Speaker 1: a thing with Papua New Guinea needing to absolutely annihilate
Speaker 1: Afgunnis stand in their run chase for about one hundred
Speaker 1: I think they got in the end in terms of
Speaker 1: the conditions and the selections. I heard Luke Ronkey talk
Speaker 1: about the surface the pictures being wavy, which is lit
Speaker 1: adjective I hadn't heard before. There was a I mean
Speaker 1: by Gary Stead standards. This was a knee jerk response.
Speaker 1: There were three changes, with Revenger coming in for Chapman,
Speaker 1: with Nie coming in for Bracewell, and Tim Southy the
Speaker 1: wily old Dog coming in for Matt Henry. Still no
Speaker 1: room for ish Sodi before or as you said, and
Speaker 1: watched that toss and saw those selections, Dylan, what were
Speaker 1: your What did you think of what the New Zealanders
Speaker 1: were trying to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting because on the surface,
Speaker 2: all those changes were justifiable, and in fact, you could
Speaker 2: have made a case for all four of those who
Speaker 2: missed out in Diana to play in Trinidad. The problem
Speaker 2: with it is that it's a reflection of how poorly
Speaker 2: organized this campaign was. Because they knew they had their
Speaker 2: big two games first up. The fact that they had
Speaker 2: to make all those changes is a reflection of the
Speaker 2: fact they got a badly roll in their selections in
Speaker 2: the first one, and you cannot afford to do that
Speaker 2: when you're going in without any preparation. So you know,
Speaker 2: Tim Salley played well, Jimmy Nish and bowled pretty well.
Speaker 2: Rationing didn't have a great day. But really what it
Speaker 2: meant was you were taking out three players who might
Speaker 2: not have been informed, but at least that actually played
Speaker 2: a game of cricket in the Caribbean and placing them
Speaker 2: with three guys coming in cold and again that just
Speaker 2: speaks to me of a campaign that was neither here
Speaker 2: of their harem scarem. But you know, you can make
Speaker 2: a case for all of those changes being the right
Speaker 2: thing to do. It just they should have been there
Speaker 2: from game one if that was the direction they thought
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: Going in, Yeah, that's right. And of course just the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: I've got to say it was sensation. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is the spiritual home of West Indies, short form cricket,
Speaker 1: sensational noisy drums, airhorns, look, black people were quite quite
Speaker 1: a few hammered people in the stands just having an
Speaker 1: absolute hell of a time. Fully sold out eight thirty start,
Speaker 1: heaps of traffic issues apparently people just storming their way
Speaker 1: out of There's a port of Spain to get down there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an down the coast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of.
Speaker 1: Course in someone maybe it was me. I wrote down
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties cricket and nineteen nineties uniforms, and you know,
Speaker 1: the tail has come back to haunt us. In terms
Speaker 1: of what actually happened. Of course came Williams and winning
Speaker 1: the toss and electing to bowl so again New Zealand
Speaker 1: not having to have the dewy ball in their hand.
Speaker 1: West Indies were got one hundred and forty nine for
Speaker 1: nine with really and we'll talk about him some more
Speaker 1: Chaffane rather for the absolute standout batsman in this match.
Speaker 1: Trent Bolt did very well, as did Tim Sauvey. The
Speaker 1: talisman Nicholas Poor and was the second top scorer with seventeen,
Speaker 1: which says something about it. And in New Zealand, of course,
Speaker 1: a faltering chase one hundred and thirty six for nine
Speaker 1: off twenty overs. You know, I think Joseph was excellent
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've got something to say about the spinners,
Speaker 1: but really, Western is wearing deep shit for so much
Speaker 1: of this innings. I mean that was one for one,
Speaker 1: two for twenty, three for twenty one and four for
Speaker 1: twenty two when Rodmin Powell was dismissed in the sixth
Speaker 1: over and that that was the moment that Chaffeg Brutherford
Speaker 1: came to the crease twenty two for four in the
Speaker 1: sixth over that initial book. Maybe that opening stands are
Speaker 1: in the middle stands are bowling from his old What
Speaker 1: we thoughts on that dem outstanding?
Speaker 2: I thought Trent Bolton, Tim Sauve. Tim Sauve looked like
Speaker 2: he was bowling with a bit of a chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder, almost the kind of message that you know,
Speaker 2: I'm the world record holder for wickets and T twenty eyes,
Speaker 2: what the hell are you thinking leaving me out at Guyana?
Speaker 2: He was outstanding. Look, it got even worse than four
Speaker 2: for twenty two for the Western these they were five
Speaker 2: for thirty and then they just started to put together
Speaker 2: these nickly little partnerships and this is where it got
Speaker 2: a little bit muddled. And it's quite a I know,
Speaker 2: T twenties bash and crash in that, but it's quite
Speaker 2: a complex calculation that Kan Williamson then had to do
Speaker 2: when the West Indies were losing those wickets. I think
Speaker 2: he banked very early on the fact that it was
Speaker 2: a seam friendly pitch it was go seam first, seam
Speaker 2: always if you've got the chance, and we're going to
Speaker 2: roll these guys in twelve overs. And maybe he was
Speaker 2: even had a little bit of net run rate calculations
Speaker 2: going on in his head as well, because of course,
Speaker 2: just beating the West Indies student guarantee New Zealand a
Speaker 2: place in the Super eights, the net run rate would
Speaker 2: quite likely come into consideration, particularly we Sidy's he met
Speaker 2: on a bat beat Afghanistan. But I'm getting hopelessly ahead
Speaker 2: of myself here. I think Kame Williamson tied himself up
Speaker 2: in knots by thinking, right, we're going to get these
Speaker 2: guys out, We're going to get these guys out before
Speaker 2: the fifteenth over. I'm going to use before seemas I'm
Speaker 2: going to part Mitchell sat because I don't really like
Speaker 2: the left hand over the wicket to a left hand
Speaker 2: a better and chaffein rather thand I don't like that matchup.
Speaker 2: Then hopefully I won't have to use it. And to
Speaker 2: be fair to Williamson and who else was making those calculations,
Speaker 2: it was so nearly genius, you know, we Sidny's got
Speaker 2: to one hundred and twelve to nine, one more piece
Speaker 2: of good luck or one more piece of good cricket
Speaker 2: with Sidney's are in the hatch for one hundred and twelve,
Speaker 2: and that is a target that is a hell of
Speaker 2: a lot more appetizing than one hundred and fifty, which
Speaker 2: I always thought was at least twenty runs too many.
Speaker 2: But what were your thoughts when you were watching Darryl
Speaker 2: Mitchell I guess limbering up to bowl his first over
Speaker 2: of the match in the nineteenth over, knowing that the
Speaker 2: twentieth over was going to have to be bold by
Speaker 2: a spinner.
Speaker 1: Whenever I see Daryl Mitchell warming up, I do think
Speaker 1: of you, because I know so many times you've said,
Speaker 1: if Dale Mitchll was bowling, we are in deep, deep
Speaker 1: trouble or have made a bad decision. It was possibly well.
Speaker 1: We weren't in debt trouble when he took the ball,
Speaker 1: to be honest, but we certainly were by the time
Speaker 1: he gave the ball back to the umpire. Look, first
Speaker 1: of all, totally agree with you on the seamers. Bolt,
Speaker 1: south Lockey and Nishan combined for forty nine dot balls
Speaker 1: out of their ninety six deliveries, so effectively we're at six.
Speaker 1: There's sixteen overs went for ninety one. But unfortunately those
Speaker 1: four overs from Mitchell, Santa and Phillips cost fifty five,
Speaker 1: and of course there's at least two of those. We're
Speaker 1: at the death. One bright shining light I thought was
Speaker 1: the fielding. I thought we looked like kind of got
Speaker 1: our mode show back. On that front. We took basically everything.
Speaker 1: The only drop was the rocket ship that hit Darryl
Speaker 1: Mitchell in the guts and his blushes were saved two
Speaker 1: balls later.
Speaker 2: When the when poor and hold out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, look, when Mitchell came on, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is this a matchup O posession? And
Speaker 1: then I realized, oh no, they've actually they've fully gone
Speaker 1: for the kill here with the seam only attack and
Speaker 1: it hasn't come off, and we've been caught short.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was immediately thinking back to the nineteenth over against
Speaker 1: Afghanistan where he went for sixteen. Gerbaz was still in
Speaker 1: that felt like a hospital pass. I had a quick
Speaker 1: lock just before we came on. Career bowling stats Darryl
Speaker 1: Mitchell in twenty internationals seventeen overs, no maidens, eight for
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three. I mean cheap as creepers,
Speaker 1: so more than ten and over. It just seems like
Speaker 1: a crazy plan to rely on him, and pretty unfair,
Speaker 1: and as you say, it felt like, well it was
Speaker 1: obvious that it wasn't a plan, it was through necessity,
Speaker 1: and that seem only dogma seemed to be proven incorrect,
Speaker 1: and maybe that lack of faith in Mitchell Santner against
Speaker 1: you know, I totally understand that the matchup thing, but
Speaker 1: I do wonder whether we're just getting a little bit
Speaker 1: kind of intoxicated by the statistics there, you know, to
Speaker 1: give you one. You know, Chaffane's strike create to left
Speaker 1: arm spin in his career as one hundred and eighty,
Speaker 1: but Daryl Mitchell went at a strike crate of three
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen. So what would you rather have? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's sort of this crazy thing where a good bowler
Speaker 1: like Santner has proven time and time again he can
Speaker 1: bowl good balls to all kinds of batsmen in all
Speaker 1: kinds of conditions, maybe except for a death over situation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I winced Dylan. Do you know
Speaker 2: the one thing I would say, as some sort of
Speaker 2: some form of devil's advocacy is that I think Mitchell
Speaker 2: Sander is one of our great white bull bowlers. I
Speaker 2: think he will go down as one of our eight
Speaker 2: white ball bowlers. But I and this is anecdotal, I
Speaker 2: have got no stats beside me to back this up.
Speaker 2: But I actually think he's a better good pitch bowler
Speaker 2: than he is a poor pitch bowler. And what I
Speaker 2: mean by that is he spends an ordinate amount of
Speaker 2: his overs I feel, trying to outfox the better, trying
Speaker 2: to get inside the batter's head, anticipate what the batter
Speaker 2: wants to do, and then bowl a ball accordingly, and
Speaker 2: so you get these amazing changes of pace across as
Speaker 2: six balls of any given over in t twenty. I
Speaker 2: think in a wicket like that, you just bowl your
Speaker 2: best ball over and over and over again. And I
Speaker 2: found it. And that's what the West Indies spinners did.
Speaker 2: And I find Sandler and these type of conditions very frustrating.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the batterers are almost waiting on his variation as
Speaker 2: big loopy one or as you know, a rocket arm ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I really felt like reaching through the television
Speaker 2: and shaking him and just saying, just bowl good balls.
Speaker 2: It's all you need to do on this wicket, so
Speaker 2: that would be my one perhaps you know, a reason why.
Speaker 2: I kind of felt that Williamson might have been reluctant
Speaker 2: to use Santanna earlier, which was a mistake. I mean
Speaker 2: he should have, but that may be factoring into his
Speaker 2: decision a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And obviously we're talking in hindslight because that's what
Speaker 1: we do. I mean, I think the other person that
Speaker 1: we should talk about is Shaffan Rutherford. I mean, he
Speaker 1: changed the game. The twenty five year old Guyanese all
Speaker 1: round him. He's been playing in the he played the
Speaker 1: Pakistan Domestic T twenty competition. He was in the Coldcutta
Speaker 1: Night Riders in the IPL. Didn't play a game, I
Speaker 1: don't think this year. It's sort of on the on
Speaker 1: the beach like a lot of the New Zealanders. And
Speaker 1: as we mentioned before, he came in the Western he
Speaker 1: was were twenty two for four and the sixth over
Speaker 1: and it was interesting, you know, he played an innings
Speaker 1: of multiple gears. He was happy to hang around and
Speaker 1: he had done the maths, you know, the interviews with
Speaker 1: him after he said he was patiently waiting for this
Speaker 1: for the top drawer in New Zealand seems to bowl out.
Speaker 1: He thought if they could survive that, then an opportunity
Speaker 1: would emerge. Well, he did the bowling mass superbly and
Speaker 1: then he farmed the strike magnificently in those last two overs.
Speaker 1: And I saw a stat which said it was the
Speaker 1: highest temp wicket partnership in T twenty World Cups. It
Speaker 1: was thirty seven or thirteen and good Akesh Mody contributed
Speaker 1: zero runs to that partnership, which is quite amazing. And
Speaker 1: I think what I would say about Rutherford as well
Speaker 1: is that he's not just a Andre Russell slogger. He's
Speaker 1: a genuine batsman who plays good cricket shots, not just
Speaker 1: a basher in a blood. You know, he's been in
Speaker 1: the shadows a bit and it was a real coming
Speaker 1: of age innings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hear Colin Munro, who has played with him
Speaker 2: against him in franchise cricket around the world, saying he's
Speaker 2: very different to a lot of West Indian bathslim batters
Speaker 2: and that he doesn't just try to access the leag boundary.
Speaker 2: He's more than happy to go the other way and
Speaker 2: open up and go over the off side, which you
Speaker 2: know was on full display sixty eight not out thirty
Speaker 2: nine deliveries, and you're right, it was a slow burning
Speaker 2: so burner to get himself into a position where he
Speaker 2: could launch, and you six sixes is a pretty tremendous
Speaker 2: and in the end, utterly match winning knock. You know
Speaker 2: that he was the difference between the two teams full stop.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the West Indies struggled and then surprised their
Speaker 1: way to one hundred and forty nine for nine. We'll
Speaker 1: be back shortly. We'll have dig into this New Zealand
Speaker 1: run chase. Welcome back to the BYC and Dylan. What
Speaker 1: were your thoughts on this New Zealand run chase. I mean,
Speaker 1: fin Allum got a few, there was a bit of
Speaker 1: rust about, i'd suggest, but my overall impressions were no
Speaker 1: real momentum in the innings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Deared right. Look, I feel like I'm saying
Speaker 2: to pick on Devin Conway, so before I say this,
Speaker 2: I would like to say that he sorted out as keeping.
Speaker 2: He nearly made a mess of the skier, but he
Speaker 2: grabbed it, which was important. And then the third catch
Speaker 2: that he took was a genuinely good wicket keeper's catch.
Speaker 2: Whether you are a part timer or whether you're the
Speaker 2: reincarnation of Ian Smith, who I should point out, who
Speaker 2: I should point out is not yet dead.
Speaker 1: But on that I'm just going to say there was
Speaker 1: a bit of a kerfuffle around that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you clocked it, but there was a bit of
Speaker 1: speculation that the ball had hit the Spider Camp wires
Speaker 1: and there's a bit of a drama about that, and
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's pot proximity to those wires
Speaker 1: and stuffed up conways run as well, but yeah, one
Speaker 1: of those things where another little piece of weirdness that
Speaker 1: you see in every single game of cricket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so his keeping was good and I was hoping
Speaker 2: that confidence he might have gained from that flowed on
Speaker 2: to his batting. But again, just a very stilted, uncomfortable
Speaker 2: little stay that ended with a top edge sweep attempt,
Speaker 2: if I remember rightly off a sane and the problem
Speaker 2: was that Van Allen did what we've asked him to do,
Speaker 2: which is to get through the tough patch and not
Speaker 2: try to hit every ball for six. If you can't
Speaker 2: do it. The only problem with him back playing quite
Speaker 2: sensibly is that you're right there was no momentum, there
Speaker 2: was nothing coming from the other end. Ratchen wasn't going
Speaker 2: over the top and taking the pressure off him, and
Speaker 2: he ended up, you know, playing a very pleasant chip
Speaker 2: shot straight down the throat of the man of the
Speaker 2: midwike at boundary. Kane Williamson did his for the second
Speaker 2: game in a row. And Kan Williamson might be just
Speaker 2: about the most intelligent cricketer that I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: the way he sorts out his own game and situations.
Speaker 2: But there's twice in a row he's gone out trying
Speaker 2: to batcut a spinner in tricky conditions with a slip
Speaker 2: in place. This time he didn't even get it to
Speaker 2: the slip. It was a finer edge and went to
Speaker 2: the keeper and the look of horror on his face
Speaker 2: I think was quite a good picture where his mind
Speaker 2: it might be out at the moment. Darryl Mitchell, James Nisham,
Speaker 2: neither of them could get any momentum at all. And
Speaker 2: then Phillips, although his numbers looked pretty good at the end,
Speaker 2: he also struggled to get going. So yeah, it was
Speaker 2: it was a chase that always felt ankle deep in mud.
Speaker 1: A quagmire Chase. I've got to say that delivery, or
Speaker 1: the delivery that Mitchell got was an absolute beauty, sort
Speaker 1: of floated up full length, drifted in and then around
Speaker 1: the bat and just clipped that off stump. It was beautifully,
Speaker 1: beautifully bald from it was Moti. I think, wasn't it
Speaker 1: that one Mitch was by Moti? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought that Hassein Akil wasing sauce and good. I guess Moti.
Speaker 1: They took four for forty six off there over as
Speaker 1: the left arm spinners, and they were their tricky customers
Speaker 1: on good wickets and with a bit of a wavy
Speaker 1: pitch to play with. I thought that they were excellent.
Speaker 1: And I saw a statistic I think it was in
Speaker 1: crick Info which said that New Zealand have now lost
Speaker 1: the joint most wickets to spin in the World Cup
Speaker 1: level with Uganda, which is an ominous statistic. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there's a matches played thing that we could
Speaker 1: mess about with there. But I guess a few warning
Speaker 1: signs or not even warning signs, just sort of red
Speaker 1: alerts around how we play tricky spin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again maybe an indictment on the fact that
Speaker 2: we decided it was the same pitch only yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's exactly right, it was.
Speaker 1: And you know, there are a few other things that
Speaker 1: caught my eye around it. One was that Glenn Fillips
Speaker 1: is the only New Zealand batsman to have faced more
Speaker 1: than twenty five balls in the tournament so far, which
Speaker 1: is a FRONTWEK statistic, and the biggest partnership in New
Speaker 1: Zealand has put on is twenty three in this part
Speaker 1: Cricket World Cup. Is that top order? Perhaps? I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure. There was quite a humorous, humorous moment when
Speaker 1: the satellite outage came in, just as things were really
Speaker 1: getting completely and utterly impossible. It did feel like the
Speaker 1: TV gods were invoking some sort of mercy law with
Speaker 1: New Zealand needing I think about twenty one runs and
Speaker 1: over at that point. The other thing about just looking
Speaker 1: at the raw numbers with you know, New Zealand, you
Speaker 1: know that reaching one hundred and thirty six for nine
Speaker 1: and falling thirteen runs short sort of makes it sound
Speaker 1: closer than it actually was, I think, And I think
Speaker 1: that the Satni fire works at the end were sort
Speaker 1: of saved embarrassment. But New Zealand was significantly short in
Speaker 1: this run chase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see this sant the fireworks either because
Speaker 2: I had stuff to do. A one set satellite outage
Speaker 2: came I and I was following it on the on
Speaker 2: the bull boy ball on my and yeah, so I
Speaker 2: never actually I had not seen sand as three sixes,
Speaker 2: but I'll I'll take advice on them. If they were
Speaker 2: superb shots slugs chips.
Speaker 1: They were good shots followed by some of the least
Speaker 1: amount the least celebrated sixes in history and the most blase.
Speaker 1: But you know the bowler not even reacting to them
Speaker 1: and just going straight back to the top of his
Speaker 1: mark and getting hit front of the six and then
Speaker 1: rent to repeat. Just are very much some quite callous
Speaker 1: kind of cricket there at the end, no one giving
Speaker 1: two ships really and yeah, Western he's got it done.
Speaker 1: It was party time in the stands and the punishing alhorns.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they really got going there at the end.
Speaker 1: And I got to say, when there's a World Cup,
Speaker 1: I never want the home thing to cart out. I
Speaker 1: want the home tan to at least make the final.
Speaker 1: I think that's that would be wonderful. So I've got
Speaker 1: no beef with with the West Indies, there was there
Speaker 1: was no controversy in this game. We were beaten fair
Speaker 1: and square. And as I say, i'd quite heavy for
Speaker 1: Afghanistan not to make it through at New Zealand's sorry
Speaker 1: Afghanisian not to make it through in New Zealand to
Speaker 1: take them out, but it's just it's just not to be.
Speaker 1: And so I guess looking ahead DC, we've got Uganda
Speaker 1: and Papa New Guinea in the short term. I don't
Speaker 1: wear no chance of qualifying, are we? I mean I
Speaker 1: think no. Is it a mathematical kind of a scenario.
Speaker 2: As I look at this now, Afghanistan a thirty two
Speaker 2: for two after five overs chasing ninety five to beat PNG,
Speaker 2: So I mean there's potentially some trickiness there, but even still,
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters. Yeah, And I mean, can
Speaker 2: you imagine a more joyful scenario than going into the
Speaker 2: Caribbean to play a tournament and ending up with two
Speaker 2: dead rubbers against Uganda and Papua New Guinea to finish
Speaker 2: the tournament? And what worries me is that miss this
Speaker 2: might come out sounding the wrong way. I don't want
Speaker 2: it to be. But what worries me is they'll go
Speaker 2: and smash those two teams, and they'll come home and
Speaker 2: there'll be those little panels you have in the newspaper
Speaker 2: with their stats done, you know, average and such and such,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the players will look quite reasonable.
Speaker 2: And in ten years time, when you look at the
Speaker 2: stants for the twenty twenty four World T twenty you say, oh,
Speaker 2: such and such had a good tournament and you and
Speaker 2: it'll be very hard to explain to them they're no, No,
Speaker 2: those are pointless numbers.
Speaker 1: They've mean nothing, double dead rubber.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just had a quick look at does look like
Speaker 1: there's a sort of a watery, hopeless chant here because
Speaker 1: both Gobez and zadre And are out the openers for Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not completely over, but it's looking
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely. Just just as a reminder, New Zealand for
Speaker 1: New Zealand through westerdy Is are through. For New Zealand
Speaker 1: to qualify, they'd have to get past Afghanistan. Understand, I'm
Speaker 1: currently playing the P ANDNG baron Mundy's and it looks
Speaker 1: pretty unlikely that there's going to be an upset in
Speaker 1: that game. So that would basically mean we're stuffed. If
Speaker 1: if the unthinkable did happen, we still need to annihilate
Speaker 1: Uganda and Papa New Guinea. Just to give you a
Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario, Afghanistan would need to lose their last two
Speaker 1: games by something like one hundred runs combined, and New
Speaker 1: Zealand would have to win their last two games by
Speaker 1: the feasible amount of about two hundred runs. So yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I just think we can. We can put the we
Speaker 1: can start to under this. We can we can limit Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, Dylan, I think we've heard some excuses
Speaker 1: and there's been some interesting There was an interesting interview
Speaker 1: this morning with Gary stead and Ready in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: We He sort of talked about we did as much
Speaker 1: as was possible based on what you know it was
Speaker 1: it was. I wouldn't say it was weasel woods, but
Speaker 1: suation that yeah, you can in the situation that he
Speaker 1: wasn't in full control of this situation.
Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yes, that's exactly right. Radio News in
Speaker 2: this morning report asked him about his future and Gary said,
Speaker 2: to quote, that's a question you should be asking other people.
Speaker 2: I can look at myself in the mirror and know
Speaker 2: that the preparation we tried to put in place has
Speaker 2: been as good as what's capable of. And all I
Speaker 2: can do is try and prepare the players to be
Speaker 2: ready for the games. It's very curious, it's enigmatic. It's
Speaker 2: probably a little level of cryptic in there. But there
Speaker 2: are a few whispers that I mean, is it responsible?
Speaker 2: Is it responsible of us to say what some of
Speaker 2: those whispers are? But why not? It's our podcast. We
Speaker 2: can do what we want. There are whispers that this
Speaker 2: was a purely player driven this turning up to the
Speaker 2: Caribbean late, and that, whereas other teams seem to have
Speaker 2: been quite happy to assemble straight after the IPL, New
Speaker 2: Zealand didn't want to. I don't know that there's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent true, but there's certainly been some talk around
Speaker 2: the traps of it being the case. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, it's definitely some complexities. I think that certainly,
Speaker 1: the question about his future, I've heard him say words
Speaker 1: to that effect before, and you know, as he says,
Speaker 1: it's he would. I'm sure it's not really up to
Speaker 1: him to say whether he's the right person going forward.
Speaker 2: He just puts his name in the hat applies. He's
Speaker 2: got two more years. He's got two more years, so
Speaker 2: pay out if they decided to move on from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it would be sort of nuts for him
Speaker 1: to go in there and say, oh no, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I am. I think I've pretty much
Speaker 1: had enough.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Just that just seems he's not going to do that
Speaker 1: in the middle of a tournament, you know, even after
Speaker 1: those two crappy results. First of all, good on New
Speaker 1: Zealand Cricket for putting him up, and good on Gary
Speaker 1: Stiff for doing the interviewcause I think that's that's a
Speaker 1: credit to them and fronting up and all of those
Speaker 1: good things. And Luke Ronkey was on Sky this week
Speaker 1: and he asked sorry last night and he answered a
Speaker 1: bunch of difficult questions as well. So you know, I
Speaker 1: do think that that's good on them for that. In
Speaker 1: terms of yeah, that that that preparation piece, it does
Speaker 1: sound like, yes, you know, whether the player thing is
Speaker 1: right or wrong, that's that's that's certainly something worth digging into.
Speaker 1: Westerns is also a notoriously difficult place to get practical.
Speaker 1: You know, the practice facilities are a bit shitty. The
Speaker 1: tournament itself has got some really complicated logistics. But yeah,
Speaker 1: could more have been done? I guess that's the question
Speaker 1: that will come out in a in a review. But
Speaker 1: it does seem like, for one reason and another, maybe
Speaker 1: multiple reasons, we just look so undercooked, as has been
Speaker 1: talked about ad nauseum. Yeah, on one excuse we don't
Speaker 1: have is that we didn't have to play in New York.
Speaker 1: I mean, any team that's got through playing cricket on
Speaker 1: that on that extraordinary what I would say, And I
Speaker 1: did check this before we came on here. The draw
Speaker 1: came out in early January twenty twenty four. I think
Speaker 1: it was the fifth of January, so it's literally five
Speaker 1: months that we would have had to prepare ahead of
Speaker 1: this tournament. Yeah, it does seem like we could have
Speaker 1: perhaps set up a base a bit earlier and got
Speaker 1: the guys that weren't in the IPL out there. Could
Speaker 1: we have been playing some cricket around the Caribbean just
Speaker 1: to get attuned, you know, I think there may have
Speaker 1: been some opportunities to do something different there.
Speaker 2: There's also something that's been bigging me a little bit
Speaker 2: about this, and that is the kind of negative noises
Speaker 2: that were coming out of the camp almost from day one,
Speaker 2: but the narrative was, oh, this has been so disrupted.
Speaker 2: I think Mitchell sant and that used the word distorted
Speaker 2: build up. Gary said before that second match spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time lamenting the state of the nets that
Speaker 2: they had to practice. It was this sort of.
Speaker 3: Pre cooked in or pre built in excuses that I
Speaker 3: haven't really heard a top level New Zealand two since
Speaker 3: that all black side that went to Europe in COVID.
Speaker 2: And we're complaining before they lost to France and Ireland
Speaker 2: about how long away they've been from home and they
Speaker 2: genuinely had been away from home for a long time too,
Speaker 2: but I know that rubbed people up the wrong way
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: The other thing I was just going to mention, just
Speaker 1: on expectation setting specifically, it is interesting how our expectations
Speaker 1: have changed. I mean, this team has had a lot
Speaker 1: of success for a lot of years, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it would always be disappointing for New Zealand
Speaker 1: to go out of the group stage, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but there was almost not an I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of people at an expectation New Zealand would get through.
Speaker 2: To the semi finals, and.
Speaker 1: That is something that the team has earned over the
Speaker 1: last fifteen years with some of the fantastic results they've had,
Speaker 1: particularly in World tournament. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to go.
Speaker 1: I think we'll just go punch the wall respectively, and
Speaker 1: we'll come back shortly and just rattle through a few
Speaker 1: of the other results from around the ground at the
Speaker 1: ICC T twenty Cricket World Cup. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: b YC. Dylan Cleve and Paul Ford chewing your air off.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't been too sad. We are a little
Speaker 1: bit gloomy, no doubt about it. We're going to move
Speaker 1: on our way from some of that New Zealand, those
Speaker 1: New Zealand games and just sort of rattle through a
Speaker 1: couple of the other results. South Africa beat Bangladesh and
Speaker 1: a tight one DC getting home by four runs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, defending one hundred and thirteen on the notorious Long
Speaker 2: Island Sound wicket that we've mentioned a nauseam.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you what. They nearly got home. They
Speaker 1: needed a six, they need six off the last two
Speaker 1: balls and Marmadilla smoked one and I reckon it was
Speaker 1: about one foot away from being over the rope and
Speaker 1: over Aiden Markram, but Aiden Markram caught it and Maharaj
Speaker 1: managed to defend eleven off that final over, so South
Speaker 1: Africa got home. They've done bloody well to sneak their
Speaker 1: way through. They've had three games in New York and
Speaker 1: they've got out of jail on all of those games,
Speaker 1: so I think they're smoke for this tournament. Canada did well,
Speaker 1: not didn't embarrass themselves to get to Pakistan. But Pakistan
Speaker 1: got home comfortably in that one. They won by seven
Speaker 1: wickets with fifteen balls remaining. Canada just not enjoying the
Speaker 1: heat from the Pakistan bowlers. From some of the highlights
Speaker 1: that I saw, Quedosta Aaron Johnson a forty four ball
Speaker 1: fifty two, pretty damn good from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a revelation.
Speaker 1: Nepal and Tri Lanka was abandoned without a ball being bold.
Speaker 1: I love watching Nepal, so I was gutted about that.
Speaker 1: I see Lama Shane, whatever his name is, he is,
Speaker 1: he is in the he is over there. He's joined
Speaker 1: the squad, so look out for him.
Speaker 2: Once they left the United States, I think he joined
Speaker 2: the scribe because he couldn't get a visa for the States.
Speaker 2: So when they moved to the with Sindian portion he
Speaker 2: joined the team.
Speaker 1: Ah right, yes, that makes sense. Australia absolutely disemboweling Namibia.
Speaker 1: Namibia seventy two all out in Australia getting home and
Speaker 1: five point for overs without Mitchell Stark as well.
Speaker 2: My god, yeah, they had somewhere to go. Yeah, frightening.
Speaker 1: A game I actually really enjoyed was USA one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten for eight and they had India in trouble
Speaker 1: chasing one hundred and eleven, chasing the Nelson. And they
Speaker 1: did get home by seven wickets with ten balls remaining.
Speaker 1: But that was tight at times that match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Coldy's having a little bit of a came
Speaker 2: Williamson tournament today, isn't he? Three games? I mean, admittedly
Speaker 2: all in difficult conditions, but three games, three single figure
Speaker 2: scores including a first ball duck. So hasn't been his
Speaker 2: tournament to date.
Speaker 1: He looks like you can't wait to get out of
Speaker 1: the New York that's for sure. Indian captain Rowitt Sharma
Speaker 1: had another blowout. There was the interesting thing about this
Speaker 1: one was the penalty runs. So in the run chase,
Speaker 1: Indian needed thirty five or thirty balls because the USA
Speaker 1: had taken and been warned a couple of times about
Speaker 1: how long they were taking to set their field. Of course,
Speaker 1: they had a fill in captain. The captain was out injured,
Speaker 1: and then they got the run of the equation. They
Speaker 1: got penalized five runs and it went from thirty five
Speaker 1: or thirty to thirty or thirty at an absolute crucial moment.
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty rough, to be honest. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't see it live. I've only heard about it since,
Speaker 2: so I can't come into it as if I was
Speaker 2: watching it, you know, and it blew me away at
Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, it's just I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: glad that they're trying to speed the gam up. I
Speaker 2: think it's important that cricket tries to be better, certainly
Speaker 2: overrates and certainly speeding the game up in this new
Speaker 2: sport attainment world. But it's just, I mean, surely there's
Speaker 2: going to be some leeway from minnows playing against the
Speaker 2: most powerful cricketing nation on Earth.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, and I don't want to dwell
Speaker 1: on it, but you know, there is already a penalty
Speaker 1: in the form of if you're behind time with your
Speaker 1: overs you know, you have fielding restrictions put on you
Speaker 1: in the death and so there's not a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot of advantage. You can see that the captain
Speaker 1: was desperately trying to work it all out, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was probably in a situation where it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is waitless, this is like what
Speaker 1: we sort of dreamed about, and yeah, this fantasy situation
Speaker 1: was coming into reality.
Speaker 2: And then his mucking about or his.
Speaker 1: Field has not been good at listening or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, ended up being a bit of
Speaker 1: a well, it was just a pivotal moment that just
Speaker 1: really put a ding in their hopes at that exactment.
Speaker 1: At that time Bangladesh. I was surprised about this one.
Speaker 1: Bangladesh got home by twenty five runs against the Netherlands
Speaker 1: and it was disappointing that Shakhi ba Hassan found some form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually wasn't surprised by this, So I thought
Speaker 2: some of these conditions are playing into Bangladesh's hands. Is
Speaker 2: that it for the men in Orange? I think it
Speaker 2: probably isn't that they've lost to South Africa and Bangladesh. Now,
Speaker 2: Bangladesh has actually been pretty good, so yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: they have it and that you're going to go through
Speaker 2: in New Zealand aren't.
Speaker 1: And then another absolute drubbing this morning, Oman forty seven
Speaker 1: all out, looking very very scared of Mark Wooden being
Speaker 1: outspun as well, and Ardel Rashid possibly that well. I
Speaker 1: think he's the number one T twenty boulder in the
Speaker 1: world and he was absolutely all over them.
Speaker 2: He took four for eleven.
Speaker 1: Then England mode it down off nineteen balls. This one
Speaker 1: was over pretty much. While I ate my conflicts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite incredible to watch really that they
Speaker 2: moded down a nineteen bulls and still had time to
Speaker 2: lose two wickets. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those crazy games, kind of like
Speaker 1: the games that were hopefully the Tailcaps will have over
Speaker 1: the next couple of days against Papua.
Speaker 2: New Guinea and against Uganda.
Speaker 1: Just reporting in Afghanistan fifty four for two looking good
Speaker 1: now against Papua New Guinea. Hey, look, just before we go,
Speaker 1: DC did just want to touch on a couple of
Speaker 1: just a couple of little bits and pieces. There is
Speaker 1: this chat around the format one loss, one rain out
Speaker 1: against a team that you're expected to beat and you're
Speaker 1: in trouble and I guess this has come to light
Speaker 1: and I think they were tongue in check. Comments from
Speaker 1: Josh Hazel would sort of talking about how Australians may
Speaker 1: just try and do a bit of a gho slow
Speaker 1: against Scotland and try and engineer things to see England ejected.
Speaker 1: It's this weird thing where that game that got rained
Speaker 1: down England's game against Scotland. Yes, you're Scotland are going well,
Speaker 1: but it does feel a little bit like arguably a
Speaker 1: little bit unfair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Scotland got ripped off from that game.
Speaker 2: I'm ninety for nought after ten when they were going
Speaker 2: great guns. Yeah, I mean is always the problem if
Speaker 2: you don't build in reserve days and I don't think
Speaker 2: you can at this early stage of the tournament. Talk
Speaker 2: about logistical nightmares that would certainly offer up a few,
Speaker 2: particularly when you're using a limited amount of venues. So
Speaker 2: it's what can you do. New Zealand has benefited from
Speaker 2: rain at major tournaments before, most notably then rain now
Speaker 2: against in India at the twenty nineteen World Cup and
Speaker 2: Paul play probably save New Zealand and got them into
Speaker 2: the semi finals. So it's just part and parton of
Speaker 2: what you get with cricket. I don't think we can
Speaker 2: overthink it. Yeah, a little bit of luck, but as
Speaker 2: you say, none of it affecting New Zealand. Of course,
Speaker 2: as I said before, didn't even have to play at
Speaker 2: the quasi New York venue on Long Island. That rope unsafe,
Speaker 2: inconsistent pitch. I did see that if.
Speaker 1: England beat Namibia on Saturday, basically, if they beat Namibia
Speaker 1: comfortably given what happened today, England should be sweet as
Speaker 1: unless Australia lose to Scotland. So that will be a
Speaker 1: real test of how committed the Australians are to making
Speaker 1: sure yea inject if they send out a team to
Speaker 1: maybe bat with the wrong hand and bowl with blindfolds.
Speaker 1: But yes, I guess from a New Zealand point of view,
Speaker 1: and we we should head out of the building and
Speaker 1: go sunk around.
Speaker 2: Breaking new hopes, breaking news as we go. There is
Speaker 2: hope Afghanis. Of course, by the time we all listen
Speaker 2: to this it'll be long determined. But as we leave
Speaker 2: this particular episode, Afghanisan have just lost the wicket of
Speaker 2: Amazi for thirteen off for painstaking eighteen Bulls and Afghani
Speaker 2: sand are limping a little towards ninety six. At fifty
Speaker 2: five the three.
Speaker 1: Wow, goodness, may I couldn't could it couldn't? And you know,
Speaker 1: of course, depending on what happens in that match, all
Speaker 1: New Zealand hopes will now be pinned on Corey Corey, Corey, Corey, Corey,
Speaker 1: Corey Anderson of course, one of only I think five
Speaker 1: players that have represented two countries at the T twenty
Speaker 1: World Cup. Every little role of Fender Murder, the Skier,
Speaker 1: Dirk nanis our very own Mark Chapman and David Visa,
Speaker 1: the colossus from Namibia but actually from South Africa.
Speaker 2: DC.
Speaker 1: I think that's us.
Speaker 2: It should be us. Thank you very much, Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Let's go back to punching some wads
Speaker 1: and sobbing into our sky TV remote. Thanks for joining
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