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Speaker 1: Altro. Welcome to the BOYC Podcast, a special edition post

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Speaker 1: mortem show coming to you from at the Export Beer

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Speaker 1: Garden Studio on a Friday after one of the saddest

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Speaker 1: days Satust weeks in recent New Zealand cricket history. You

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Speaker 1: can hear the strains of Henry Purcell's akingly Sad Diado's

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Speaker 1: lament a company today's podcast as we look back on

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Speaker 1: yesterday's defeat at the hands and bats of the tournament

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Speaker 1: hosts West Indies and reflect on what I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say is probably New Zealand's worst ever performance at a

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Speaker 1: T twenty Cricket World Cup. It is right down there

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Speaker 1: with not making it out of the group stages in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, with a squad captained by Daniel

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Speaker 1: Vettori featuring Brendan Diamante, Peter McGlashan and Ian O'Brien. In fact,

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Speaker 1: in the eight T twenty World Cup tournaments since the

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Speaker 1: inaugural one in two thousand and seven, we've been runner

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Speaker 1: up to once, knocked out in the semis three times

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Speaker 1: and made the Super eight or Super ten three times,

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Speaker 1: chaot in the group stage only once Until this week,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four will be our t twenty Cricket World

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Speaker 1: Cup n It's horribilius on this front, in barring mathematical

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Speaker 1: and probabilities and freakis results in the coming minutes from PND. Yes,

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Speaker 1: unfortunate for godfather of the basebagade. I'm joined on this

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Speaker 1: ignominious day by Dylan Plea, the ol Pleasi Dente of

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Speaker 1: the substep newsletter The Bounce DC. How did you enjoy

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Speaker 1: yesterday's Do or Die game in San Fernando.

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Speaker 2: I really didn't enjoy it at all, Paul, but thanks

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Speaker 2: for leading me into that. In fact, I wrote just

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Speaker 2: to give my news letter The Bounce a bit of

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Speaker 2: a plug here. I wrote in The Bounce today that

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Speaker 2: New Zealand took the piss out of this tournament, and

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Speaker 2: the tournament ended. The tournament ended up taking the piss

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Speaker 2: out of New Zealand, and I said, it's already been

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Speaker 2: quoted somewhere, so it's obviously a line that's resonated with

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Speaker 2: a couple of people, and that's honestly how I feel

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Speaker 2: about it. You mentioned that two thousand and nine tournament,

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Speaker 2: and I barely remember it, but I think even back

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Speaker 2: then we were still trying to convince ourselves that Teach

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Speaker 2: it didn't really mean anything. It was that kind of

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Speaker 2: who cares, you know. It was the sort of tournament

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Speaker 2: that you'd happily takee Brenda Diamante you off to. But

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Speaker 2: now we can't say that. I mean, sure, there's still

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Speaker 2: a lot of us for which Teach when he is

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Speaker 2: our least favorite of the formats, but you're naive in

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Speaker 2: the extreme if you don't recognize its important part in

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Speaker 2: the future of cricket's fabric, and in fact there's the

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Speaker 2: financial driver of cricket. So yeah, in summary, woeful, we

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Speaker 2: got what we deserved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very very tough watch. You say it

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Speaker 1: was tense. It was effectively a knockout game with New

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Speaker 1: Zealand now needing to sit pass Afghanistan on the table

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Speaker 1: to go through, and it's just.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's extremely unlikely, and we'll probably almost know by

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Speaker 1: the end of this podcast whether it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a thing with Papua New Guinea needing to absolutely annihilate

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Speaker 1: Afgunnis stand in their run chase for about one hundred

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Speaker 1: I think they got in the end in terms of

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Speaker 1: the conditions and the selections. I heard Luke Ronkey talk

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Speaker 1: about the surface the pictures being wavy, which is lit

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Speaker 1: adjective I hadn't heard before. There was a I mean

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Speaker 1: by Gary Stead standards. This was a knee jerk response.

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Speaker 1: There were three changes, with Revenger coming in for Chapman,

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Speaker 1: wily old Dog coming in for Matt Henry. Still no

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Speaker 1: room for ish Sodi before or as you said, and

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Speaker 1: watched that toss and saw those selections, Dylan, what were

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Speaker 1: your What did you think of what the New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting because on the surface,

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Speaker 2: all those changes were justifiable, and in fact, you could

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Speaker 2: have made a case for all four of those who

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Speaker 2: missed out in Diana to play in Trinidad. The problem

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Speaker 2: with it is that it's a reflection of how poorly

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Speaker 2: organized this campaign was. Because they knew they had their

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Speaker 2: fact they got a badly roll in their selections in

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Speaker 2: Tim Salley played well, Jimmy Nish and bowled pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Rationing didn't have a great day. But really what it

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Speaker 2: meant was you were taking out three players who might

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Speaker 2: not have been informed, but at least that actually played

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Speaker 1: Going in, Yeah, that's right. And of course just the atmosphere,

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Speaker 1: I've got to say it was sensation. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: sensational noisy drums, airhorns, look, black people were quite quite

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Speaker 1: a few hammered people in the stands just having an

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Speaker 1: absolute hell of a time. Fully sold out eight thirty start,

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Speaker 1: heaps of traffic issues apparently people just storming their way

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's an down the coast.

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Speaker 1: Course in someone maybe it was me. I wrote down

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties cricket and nineteen nineties uniforms, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the tail has come back to haunt us. In terms

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Speaker 1: West Indies were got one hundred and forty nine for

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Speaker 1: Chaffane rather for the absolute standout batsman in this match.

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Speaker 1: Trent Bolt did very well, as did Tim Sauvey. The

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Speaker 1: which says something about it. And in New Zealand, of course,

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Speaker 1: but really, Western is wearing deep shit for so much

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Speaker 2: I thought Trent Bolton, Tim Sauve. Tim Sauve looked like

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Speaker 2: I'm the world record holder for wickets and T twenty eyes,

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Speaker 2: He was outstanding. Look, it got even worse than four

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Speaker 2: a complex calculation that Kan Williamson then had to do

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Speaker 2: he banked very early on the fact that it was

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Speaker 2: Then hopefully I won't have to use it. And to

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Speaker 2: it was so nearly genius, you know, we Sidny's got

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Speaker 2: a lot more appetizing than one hundred and fifty, which

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Speaker 2: I always thought was at least twenty runs too many.

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Speaker 2: But what were your thoughts when you were watching Darryl

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Speaker 2: Mitchell I guess limbering up to bowl his first over

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Speaker 1: Whenever I see Daryl Mitchell warming up, I do think

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Speaker 1: of you, because I know so many times you've said,

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Speaker 1: if Dale Mitchll was bowling, we are in deep, deep

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Speaker 1: We weren't in debt trouble when he took the ball,

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Speaker 1: There's sixteen overs went for ninety one. But unfortunately those

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Speaker 1: The only drop was the rocket ship that hit Darryl

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Speaker 1: Mitchell in the guts and his blushes were saved two

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Speaker 2: When the when poor and hold out.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, look, when Mitchell came on, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: then I realized, oh no, they've actually they've fully gone

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Speaker 1: it hasn't come off, and we've been caught short.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I was immediately thinking back to the nineteenth over against

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Speaker 1: lock just before we came on. Career bowling stats Darryl

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Speaker 1: Mitchell in twenty internationals seventeen overs, no maidens, eight for

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty three. I mean cheap as creepers,

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Speaker 1: a crazy plan to rely on him, and pretty unfair,

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Speaker 1: and as you say, it felt like, well it was

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Speaker 1: you know, I totally understand that the matchup thing, but

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Speaker 1: I do wonder whether we're just getting a little bit

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Speaker 1: run chase. Welcome back to the BYC and Dylan. What

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Speaker 1: But on that I'm just going to say there was

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Speaker 2: about the most intelligent cricketer that I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: A quagmire Chase. I've got to say that delivery, or

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Speaker 1: They took four for forty six off there over as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again maybe an indictment on the fact that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't see this sant the fireworks either because

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Speaker 1: They were good shots followed by some of the least

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Speaker 1: But you know the bowler not even reacting to them

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the players will look quite reasonable.

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Speaker 2: And in ten years time, when you look at the

433
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Speaker 2: stants for the twenty twenty four World T twenty you say, oh,

434
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Speaker 2: such and such had a good tournament and you and

435
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Speaker 2: it'll be very hard to explain to them they're no, No,

436
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Speaker 2: those are pointless numbers.

437
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Speaker 1: They've mean nothing, double dead rubber.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
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Speaker 1: I just had a quick look at does look like

440
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Speaker 1: there's a sort of a watery, hopeless chant here because

441
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Speaker 1: both Gobez and zadre And are out the openers for Afghanistan.

442
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Speaker 1: So it's not it's not completely over, but it's looking

443
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Speaker 1: extremely unlikely. Just just as a reminder, New Zealand for

444
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Speaker 1: New Zealand through westerdy Is are through. For New Zealand

445
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Speaker 1: to qualify, they'd have to get past Afghanistan. Understand, I'm

446
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: currently playing the P ANDNG baron Mundy's and it looks

447
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: pretty unlikely that there's going to be an upset in

448
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: that game. So that would basically mean we're stuffed. If

449
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Speaker 1: if the unthinkable did happen, we still need to annihilate

450
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Speaker 1: Uganda and Papa New Guinea. Just to give you a

451
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Speaker 1: hypothetical scenario, Afghanistan would need to lose their last two

452
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Speaker 1: games by something like one hundred runs combined, and New

453
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Speaker 1: Zealand would have to win their last two games by

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Speaker 1: the feasible amount of about two hundred runs. So yeah, look,

455
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Speaker 1: I just think we can. We can put the we

456
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Speaker 1: can start to under this. We can we can limit Yeah. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: and you know, Dylan, I think we've heard some excuses

458
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: and there's been some interesting There was an interesting interview

459
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Speaker 1: this morning with Gary stead and Ready in New Zealand.

460
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Speaker 1: We He sort of talked about we did as much

461
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Speaker 1: as was possible based on what you know it was

462
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Speaker 1: it was. I wouldn't say it was weasel woods, but

463
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Speaker 1: suation that yeah, you can in the situation that he

464
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Speaker 1: wasn't in full control of this situation.

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Speaker 2: Is that fair? Yes, that's exactly right. Radio News in

466
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Speaker 2: this morning report asked him about his future and Gary said,

467
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Speaker 2: to quote, that's a question you should be asking other people.

468
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Speaker 2: I can look at myself in the mirror and know

469
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Speaker 2: that the preparation we tried to put in place has

470
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Speaker 2: been as good as what's capable of. And all I

471
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Speaker 2: can do is try and prepare the players to be

472
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Speaker 2: ready for the games. It's very curious, it's enigmatic. It's

473
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Speaker 2: probably a little level of cryptic in there. But there

474
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Speaker 2: are a few whispers that I mean, is it responsible?

475
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Speaker 2: Is it responsible of us to say what some of

476
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Speaker 2: those whispers are? But why not? It's our podcast. We

477
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Speaker 2: can do what we want. There are whispers that this

478
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Speaker 2: was a purely player driven this turning up to the

479
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Speaker 2: Caribbean late, and that, whereas other teams seem to have

480
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: been quite happy to assemble straight after the IPL, New

481
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Zealand didn't want to. I don't know that there's one

482
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Speaker 2: hundred percent true, but there's certainly been some talk around

483
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Speaker 2: the traps of it being the case. Yeah.

484
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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, it's definitely some complexities. I think that certainly,

485
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Speaker 1: the question about his future, I've heard him say words

486
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Speaker 1: to that effect before, and you know, as he says,

487
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Speaker 1: it's he would. I'm sure it's not really up to

488
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Speaker 1: him to say whether he's the right person going forward.

489
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Speaker 2: He just puts his name in the hat applies. He's

490
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Speaker 2: got two more years. He's got two more years, so

491
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Speaker 2: pay out if they decided to move on from him.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it would be sort of nuts for him

493
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Speaker 1: to go in there and say, oh no, I don't know,

494
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Speaker 1: I don't think I am. I think I've pretty much

495
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Speaker 1: had enough.

496
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Speaker 2: You know.

497
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Speaker 1: Just that just seems he's not going to do that

498
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a tournament, you know, even after

499
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Speaker 1: those two crappy results. First of all, good on New

500
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Speaker 1: Zealand Cricket for putting him up, and good on Gary

501
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Speaker 1: Stiff for doing the interviewcause I think that's that's a

502
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Speaker 1: credit to them and fronting up and all of those

503
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Speaker 1: good things. And Luke Ronkey was on Sky this week

504
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: and he asked sorry last night and he answered a

505
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: bunch of difficult questions as well. So you know, I

506
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: do think that that's good on them for that. In

507
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: terms of yeah, that that that preparation piece, it does

508
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: sound like, yes, you know, whether the player thing is

509
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: right or wrong, that's that's that's certainly something worth digging into.

510
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Westerns is also a notoriously difficult place to get practical.

511
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: You know, the practice facilities are a bit shitty. The

512
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: tournament itself has got some really complicated logistics. But yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: could more have been done? I guess that's the question

514
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: that will come out in a in a review. But

515
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Speaker 1: it does seem like, for one reason and another, maybe

516
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Speaker 1: multiple reasons, we just look so undercooked, as has been

517
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: talked about ad nauseum. Yeah, on one excuse we don't

518
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: have is that we didn't have to play in New York.

519
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Speaker 1: I mean, any team that's got through playing cricket on

520
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: that on that extraordinary what I would say, And I

521
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Speaker 1: did check this before we came on here. The draw

522
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Speaker 1: came out in early January twenty twenty four. I think

523
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Speaker 1: it was the fifth of January, so it's literally five

524
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Speaker 1: months that we would have had to prepare ahead of

525
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Speaker 1: this tournament. Yeah, it does seem like we could have

526
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Speaker 1: perhaps set up a base a bit earlier and got

527
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Speaker 1: the guys that weren't in the IPL out there. Could

528
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: we have been playing some cricket around the Caribbean just

529
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Speaker 1: to get attuned, you know, I think there may have

530
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: been some opportunities to do something different there.

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Speaker 2: There's also something that's been bigging me a little bit

532
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: about this, and that is the kind of negative noises

533
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: that were coming out of the camp almost from day one,

534
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: but the narrative was, oh, this has been so disrupted.

535
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Speaker 2: I think Mitchell sant and that used the word distorted

536
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Speaker 2: build up. Gary said before that second match spent a

537
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Speaker 2: lot of time lamenting the state of the nets that

538
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Speaker 2: they had to practice. It was this sort of.

539
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Speaker 3: Pre cooked in or pre built in excuses that I

540
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: haven't really heard a top level New Zealand two since

541
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Speaker 3: that all black side that went to Europe in COVID.

542
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Speaker 2: And we're complaining before they lost to France and Ireland

543
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Speaker 2: about how long away they've been from home and they

544
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: genuinely had been away from home for a long time too,

545
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Speaker 2: but I know that rubbed people up the wrong way

546
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Speaker 2: as well.

547
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Speaker 1: The other thing I was just going to mention, just

548
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Speaker 1: on expectation setting specifically, it is interesting how our expectations

549
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: have changed. I mean, this team has had a lot

550
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Speaker 1: of success for a lot of years, and you know,

551
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it would always be disappointing for New Zealand

552
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: to go out of the group stage, don't get me wrong,

553
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: but there was almost not an I think that a

554
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: lot of people at an expectation New Zealand would get through.

555
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: To the semi finals, and.

556
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Speaker 1: That is something that the team has earned over the

557
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: last fifteen years with some of the fantastic results they've had,

558
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Speaker 1: particularly in World tournament. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to go.

559
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Speaker 1: I think we'll just go punch the wall respectively, and

560
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: we'll come back shortly and just rattle through a few

561
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Speaker 1: of the other results from around the ground at the

562
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Speaker 1: ICC T twenty Cricket World Cup. Welcome back to the

563
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Speaker 1: b YC. Dylan Cleve and Paul Ford chewing your air off.

564
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Speaker 1: Hopefully we haven't been too sad. We are a little

565
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: bit gloomy, no doubt about it. We're going to move

566
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Speaker 1: on our way from some of that New Zealand, those

567
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: New Zealand games and just sort of rattle through a

568
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: couple of the other results. South Africa beat Bangladesh and

569
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: a tight one DC getting home by four runs.

570
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, defending one hundred and thirteen on the notorious Long

571
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Speaker 2: Island Sound wicket that we've mentioned a nauseam.

572
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you what. They nearly got home. They

573
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Speaker 1: needed a six, they need six off the last two

574
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: balls and Marmadilla smoked one and I reckon it was

575
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: about one foot away from being over the rope and

576
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Speaker 1: over Aiden Markram, but Aiden Markram caught it and Maharaj

577
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Speaker 1: managed to defend eleven off that final over, so South

578
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Africa got home. They've done bloody well to sneak their

579
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Speaker 1: way through. They've had three games in New York and

580
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Speaker 1: they've got out of jail on all of those games,

581
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Speaker 1: so I think they're smoke for this tournament. Canada did well,

582
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: not didn't embarrass themselves to get to Pakistan. But Pakistan

583
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: got home comfortably in that one. They won by seven

584
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: wickets with fifteen balls remaining. Canada just not enjoying the

585
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: heat from the Pakistan bowlers. From some of the highlights

586
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Speaker 1: that I saw, Quedosta Aaron Johnson a forty four ball

587
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: fifty two, pretty damn good from him.

588
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a revelation.

589
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Nepal and Tri Lanka was abandoned without a ball being bold.

590
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I love watching Nepal, so I was gutted about that.

591
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I see Lama Shane, whatever his name is, he is,

592
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: he is in the he is over there. He's joined

593
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: the squad, so look out for him.

594
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Once they left the United States, I think he joined

595
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: the scribe because he couldn't get a visa for the States.

596
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: So when they moved to the with Sindian portion he

597
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: joined the team.

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Ah right, yes, that makes sense. Australia absolutely disemboweling Namibia.

599
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Namibia seventy two all out in Australia getting home and

600
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: five point for overs without Mitchell Stark as well.

601
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: My god, yeah, they had somewhere to go. Yeah, frightening.

602
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: A game I actually really enjoyed was USA one hundred

603
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: and ten for eight and they had India in trouble

604
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: chasing one hundred and eleven, chasing the Nelson. And they

605
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: did get home by seven wickets with ten balls remaining.

606
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: But that was tight at times that match.

607
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Coldy's having a little bit of a came

608
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: Williamson tournament today, isn't he? Three games? I mean, admittedly

609
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: all in difficult conditions, but three games, three single figure

610
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: scores including a first ball duck. So hasn't been his

611
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: tournament to date.

612
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Speaker 1: He looks like you can't wait to get out of

613
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: the New York that's for sure. Indian captain Rowitt Sharma

614
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: had another blowout. There was the interesting thing about this

615
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: one was the penalty runs. So in the run chase,

616
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: Indian needed thirty five or thirty balls because the USA

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: had taken and been warned a couple of times about

618
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Speaker 1: how long they were taking to set their field. Of course,

619
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Speaker 1: they had a fill in captain. The captain was out injured,

620
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Speaker 1: and then they got the run of the equation. They

621
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: got penalized five runs and it went from thirty five

622
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: or thirty to thirty or thirty at an absolute crucial moment.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty rough, to be honest. Yeah, yeah,

624
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Speaker 2: I didn't see it live. I've only heard about it since,

625
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: so I can't come into it as if I was

626
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: watching it, you know, and it blew me away at

627
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, it's just I mean, I'm I'm

628
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: glad that they're trying to speed the gam up. I

629
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Speaker 2: think it's important that cricket tries to be better, certainly

630
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: overrates and certainly speeding the game up in this new

631
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: sport attainment world. But it's just, I mean, surely there's

632
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: going to be some leeway from minnows playing against the

633
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: most powerful cricketing nation on Earth.

634
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, and I don't want to dwell

635
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: on it, but you know, there is already a penalty

636
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: in the form of if you're behind time with your

637
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: overs you know, you have fielding restrictions put on you

638
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: in the death and so there's not a hell of

639
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot of advantage. You can see that the captain

640
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: was desperately trying to work it all out, you know,

641
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: and it was probably in a situation where it's like,

642
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is waitless, this is like what

643
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: we sort of dreamed about, and yeah, this fantasy situation

644
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: was coming into reality.

645
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: And then his mucking about or his.

646
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Speaker 1: Field has not been good at listening or whatever you

647
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Speaker 1: want to call it, ended up being a bit of

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Speaker 1: a well, it was just a pivotal moment that just

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Speaker 1: really put a ding in their hopes at that exactment.

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Speaker 1: At that time Bangladesh. I was surprised about this one.

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Speaker 1: Bangladesh got home by twenty five runs against the Netherlands

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Speaker 1: and it was disappointing that Shakhi ba Hassan found some form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually wasn't surprised by this, So I thought

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Speaker 2: some of these conditions are playing into Bangladesh's hands. Is

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Speaker 2: that it for the men in Orange? I think it

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Speaker 2: probably isn't that they've lost to South Africa and Bangladesh. Now,

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00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: Bangladesh has actually been pretty good, so yeah, I mean

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00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: they have it and that you're going to go through

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand aren't.

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Speaker 1: And then another absolute drubbing this morning, Oman forty seven

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Speaker 1: all out, looking very very scared of Mark Wooden being

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00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: outspun as well, and Ardel Rashid possibly that well. I

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00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: think he's the number one T twenty boulder in the

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Speaker 1: world and he was absolutely all over them.

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Speaker 2: He took four for eleven.

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00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Then England mode it down off nineteen balls. This one

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00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: was over pretty much. While I ate my conflicts.

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00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite incredible to watch really that they

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Speaker 2: moded down a nineteen bulls and still had time to

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Speaker 2: lose two wickets. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was one of those crazy games, kind of like

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Speaker 1: the games that were hopefully the Tailcaps will have over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days against Papua.

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Speaker 2: New Guinea and against Uganda.

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Speaker 1: Just reporting in Afghanistan fifty four for two looking good

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Speaker 1: now against Papua New Guinea. Hey, look, just before we go,

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Speaker 1: DC did just want to touch on a couple of

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Speaker 1: just a couple of little bits and pieces. There is

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Speaker 1: this chat around the format one loss, one rain out

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Speaker 1: against a team that you're expected to beat and you're

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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: in trouble and I guess this has come to light

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Speaker 1: and I think they were tongue in check. Comments from

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Speaker 1: Josh Hazel would sort of talking about how Australians may

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Speaker 1: just try and do a bit of a gho slow

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Speaker 1: against Scotland and try and engineer things to see England ejected.

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Speaker 1: It's this weird thing where that game that got rained

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00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: down England's game against Scotland. Yes, you're Scotland are going well,

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Speaker 1: but it does feel a little bit like arguably a

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Speaker 1: little bit unfair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Scotland got ripped off from that game.

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Speaker 2: I'm ninety for nought after ten when they were going

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00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: great guns. Yeah, I mean is always the problem if

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Speaker 2: you don't build in reserve days and I don't think

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00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: you can at this early stage of the tournament. Talk

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00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: about logistical nightmares that would certainly offer up a few,

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00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: particularly when you're using a limited amount of venues. So

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00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: it's what can you do. New Zealand has benefited from

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00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: rain at major tournaments before, most notably then rain now

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Speaker 2: against in India at the twenty nineteen World Cup and

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Speaker 2: Paul play probably save New Zealand and got them into

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Speaker 2: the semi finals. So it's just part and parton of

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00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: what you get with cricket. I don't think we can

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00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: overthink it. Yeah, a little bit of luck, but as

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Speaker 2: you say, none of it affecting New Zealand. Of course,

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Speaker 2: as I said before, didn't even have to play at

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00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: the quasi New York venue on Long Island. That rope unsafe,

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00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: inconsistent pitch. I did see that if.

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Speaker 1: England beat Namibia on Saturday, basically, if they beat Namibia

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00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: comfortably given what happened today, England should be sweet as

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00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: unless Australia lose to Scotland. So that will be a

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Speaker 1: real test of how committed the Australians are to making

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00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: sure yea inject if they send out a team to

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Speaker 1: maybe bat with the wrong hand and bowl with blindfolds.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I guess from a New Zealand point of view,

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Speaker 1: and we we should head out of the building and

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Speaker 1: go sunk around.

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Speaker 2: Breaking new hopes, breaking news as we go. There is

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Speaker 2: hope Afghanis. Of course, by the time we all listen

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Speaker 2: to this it'll be long determined. But as we leave

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Speaker 2: this particular episode, Afghanisan have just lost the wicket of

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Speaker 2: Amazi for thirteen off for painstaking eighteen Bulls and Afghani

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Speaker 2: sand are limping a little towards ninety six. At fifty

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Speaker 2: five the three.

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Speaker 1: Wow, goodness, may I couldn't could it couldn't? And you know,

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Speaker 1: of course, depending on what happens in that match, all

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Speaker 1: New Zealand hopes will now be pinned on Corey Corey, Corey, Corey, Corey,

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Speaker 1: Corey Anderson of course, one of only I think five

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Speaker 1: players that have represented two countries at the T twenty

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Speaker 1: World Cup. Every little role of Fender Murder, the Skier,

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Speaker 1: Dirk nanis our very own Mark Chapman and David Visa,

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Speaker 1: the colossus from Namibia but actually from South Africa.

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Speaker 2: DC.

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Speaker 1: I think that's us.

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Speaker 2: It should be us. Thank you very much, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. Let's go back to punching some wads

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Speaker 1: and sobbing into our sky TV remote. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us for a somber and cathartic BYC podcast today, and

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Speaker 1: God bless you if you take time out of your

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00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: weekend to watch the Teilcaps versus the Uganda Cricket Cranes

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00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon or and you can call yourself a

741
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: full cricket nuffy if you're going to interrupt your slumber

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Speaker 1: and stay up and get steamed for the Tuesday two

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Speaker 1: thirty am probable dead rubber between the Teilcaps and the

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Speaker 1: Kummel Petroleum sponsored baron Mundy's from Papa, New Guinea. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back next week sometime, and in the meantime, if

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Speaker 1: you have anything to get off your inflamed, phlegmatic, raging chest,

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