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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: November the first. It is ten years to the day

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Speaker 2: since the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup Final. Folly de Biel,

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Speaker 2: Bell trying to get to the outside, cuts it back.

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Speaker 3: Let's take it, Betsmith Smith steps, stop stepping beit Smith?

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Speaker 3: Now he cacks. That's a foot.

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Speaker 2: Rice bonet, parrot, bonet parrot. Does it set up? He

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Speaker 2: tries to tow it on. That's sets up. The try

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Speaker 2: that tries the World Cup winner bot it parrots, turnover ball,

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Speaker 2: All Blacks linked in the.

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Speaker 1: Field, rap it up, put a bow on it?

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Speaker 2: World Cups?

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Speaker 1: Cover it back?

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Speaker 2: Did you fail it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Iconic stuff from Nigel Yold and All Blacks thirty four

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Speaker 2: Wallaby's seventeen at Twickenham ten years ago today, the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks becoming the first side to win back to back

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Speaker 2: World Cups and winning the William Webb Allis Trophy on

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Speaker 2: foreign soil for the first time. Karen Reid was at

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Speaker 2: number eight for the All Blacks that night and joins us. Now, Karen,

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Speaker 2: does it feel like like ten years ago? Or is

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Speaker 2: it one of those that feels much longer ago than that,

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Speaker 2: or is it one of those that feels like yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, it's crazy a few times. I

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Speaker 3: guess you get older and you kind of it kind

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Speaker 3: of just still doesn't it in some ways. But certainly

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Speaker 3: remember the night very finally like it was yesterday. But

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Speaker 3: to be honest, I've never watched it again, you know,

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Speaker 3: so you've just got those memories of what it was,

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Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, very very awesome time for us.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember feeling pretty confident going into the final?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, most definitely. I think play in Australia, like

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Speaker 3: as a team, we knew really well obviously we've played

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Speaker 3: played them a lot, two or three times a year

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Speaker 3: in that period, sometimes four times a year, and so

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Speaker 3: you know, we knew this drinks, knew kind of where

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Speaker 3: their holes were and we could could exploit them, so

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Speaker 3: we had to. Obviously you look back now and you go, man,

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Speaker 3: that side was pretty pretty fantastic. So yes, confident, But

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Speaker 3: there's givens in a World Cup and especially finals games,

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Speaker 3: so you got to earn it. You've got to put

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Speaker 3: all the preparation that's required to get out there and

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Speaker 3: do the job. Well.

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Speaker 2: I remember the semi final was really tight, wasn't it

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen against South Africa? It was on the score board,

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Speaker 2: But do you remember much about the semi Did that

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Speaker 2: feel like a like a good lead into the Rugby

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Speaker 2: World Cup Final for the team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think we'd realize, right having you know, a

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Speaker 3: bunch of us played a couple of World Cups, and

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Speaker 3: for some of us who had won twenty eleven, you know,

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Speaker 3: like every game is different in a World Cup. You

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Speaker 3: know a semi is going to be different to the

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Speaker 3: final and you can't expect the same kind of game. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Sofcare has done good side. It was a bit drizzly,

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Speaker 3: so it lent itself to being a bit tighter that game.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, we felt really comfortable in that game

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Speaker 3: against So Africa. I think. Yes, the scoreboard was tight

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Speaker 3: and that was probably down to a discipline and things,

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Speaker 3: But in terms of on the field, like we felt

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Speaker 3: very comfortable I think, and it showed at the end

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Speaker 3: how we could just kind of hold them out without defense,

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Speaker 3: you know, pretty easily. But yeah, you know the factors,

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Speaker 3: so it can go, it can change pretty quickly. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we certainly knew going into a final half of that game,

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Speaker 3: you know, having a close one that was you know,

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Speaker 3: you're expecting, you know, Australia to play the best of

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Speaker 3: a game and you've just got to prepare for that. Really.

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Speaker 2: So the final, it all started very well and at halftime,

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Speaker 2: what's sixteen three ahead? Then to try to Martin and

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Speaker 2: who early in the second you're twenty one three ahead.

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Speaker 2: You must have felt okay, and then Ben Smith got

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Speaker 2: Sinbin from memory, do you remember the.

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Speaker 3: Heat, Yeah, yeah, I do, Like it did change it

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Speaker 3: actually did change the game, you know, like cards now

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Speaker 3: have become part of the part of the game and

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Speaker 3: he's just about a card every every every time you

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Speaker 3: play now. But you know, back then it made a

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Speaker 3: big difference in Australia. As I said, we're damn good

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Speaker 3: attack inside and the fallback's pretty crucial to us in

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Speaker 3: terms of organizing and especially a backfield space and getting

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Speaker 3: So look it was, you know, we it took a

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Speaker 3: four points, and we were certainly went panicking. There was

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Speaker 3: pretty clear ideas. I think you know that we're talking

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Speaker 2: Ten minutes to go and Dan Carter drops a goal

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Speaker 2: from about forty meet us out.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: I've watched that footage so many times of him and

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Speaker 2: just he's willing it over, willing it over. How big

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Speaker 2: a moment was that dropping with ten minutes to go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it probably just, you know, was it

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Speaker 3: put it out the little buffer? You know, you can

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Speaker 3: never take anything for granted in a final, a finals game,

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Speaker 3: so look at you know, we were still felt good

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Speaker 3: and then control, you know, but he just knew when

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Speaker 3: to push the trigger right for that, And it wasn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily in the in the playbook. He's just got I

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Speaker 3: didn't think there, and I certainly got us the right

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Speaker 3: result of that one.

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Speaker 2: And Body runs away the head and scores the try,

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Speaker 2: which really sealed it for you before Dan kicks the

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Speaker 2: conversion with his right foot to make it thirty four

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Speaker 2: to seventeen. Where were you as Body was sprinting away

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Speaker 2: to score that last try.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I don't know where I was,

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Speaker 3: but I was probably somewhere, Probably thought he's got this.

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Speaker 3: I was pretty naked. I came down in the line

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Speaker 3: out two minutes into the game and basically wrecked my

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Speaker 3: ankle and just struggled myself through the game, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: And it was in a moonbo its eight weeks, but

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Speaker 3: I was probably the injection and things were still in

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Speaker 3: It was like, no, you go, body, and I'll wait

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Speaker 2: I'd forgotten that. So you really badly hurt your ankle

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Speaker 2: after only a couple of minutes and had what a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, So it was quite bad. Yep. So it

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Speaker 3: kind of just adrenaline. I guess lucky it wasn't to

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Speaker 3: functionally let dad. It was more of a had broken

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Speaker 3: the outside ligaments and things, so with a strap and

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Speaker 3: it kind of got me to half time. It's only

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Speaker 3: in a ton of pain, but then yeah, bit of

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's games that you can do that.

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Speaker 3: You know games you can't do that, and then we'll

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Speaker 3: finally certainly can do that and the minds. As we know,

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Speaker 3: there's been some pretty epic tales of all blacks doing that,

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Speaker 3: and you can you can go and do that, you know,

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Speaker 3: if your mind's willing to take you those places.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember Karen being being or feeling under less

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Speaker 2: pressure in twenty fifteen because you'd one and twenty eleven.

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Speaker 3: Nah, I don't think so. I think we were a

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Speaker 3: team that wasn't really externally motivated at that time, you know,

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Speaker 3: like we felt like we were a world champion from eleven.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to live like world champions in that cycle

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Speaker 3: and certainly going to fifteen, and the pressure was we

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Speaker 3: put all this pressure on ourselves in some ways internally.

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Speaker 3: And the funny thing is right, but we're a great

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Speaker 3: five years four years. As soon as we didn't play

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Speaker 3: pool games, the media jumped on us pretty quickly, you know.

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Speaker 3: So that's how fickle the media can be. So you

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Speaker 3: can't really look at that as motivational pressure. You've got

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Speaker 3: us to do that, and you know, for us it

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Speaker 3: was a different feeling to eleven. Completely been in England

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Speaker 3: was another chance to kind of experience the World Cup

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Speaker 3: and the light from an away kind of fans perspective

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Speaker 3: that we could walk around in England sometimes and people

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Speaker 3: was it was quite cool having that experience and as

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Speaker 3: a team, you're away, you're completely together us for that

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Speaker 2: Did you know that Richie and Dan we're going to

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Speaker 2: call it a day after that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, we did. Like they didn't tell us right like, so,

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Speaker 3: you know, but everyone knew. So there's obviously all those guys,

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Speaker 3: right Richie, dad Man, how many cats did we lose

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Speaker 3: after that game? You know, Conrad kV. So look, we knew.

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Speaker 3: No one had come out and said you know that,

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Speaker 3: you know, on their way out, but that was that

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Speaker 3: was the feeling. So that adds a little bit extra

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Speaker 3: type of guys they are, it's not about them, but

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Speaker 3: certainly as a team, we you know, knew the legacy

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Speaker 3: and we wanted to make sure that they went out

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Speaker 2: Were we still able to celebrate even with a sore ankle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was certainly was. It did mean that I'm

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Speaker 3: normally partial for we little book boogie, but I just

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Speaker 3: had to sit down a little bit more. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a different kind of painkiller that night than the than

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Speaker 3: the tablets, and but yeah I was well, and Trulli

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Speaker 3: went out and carried on the party into town. But

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Speaker 3: I wasn't quite up to that that night. A good

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still a great memory ten years on. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us for a wander down memory lane. Karen really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Nice catch, no catch you so, Karen.

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Speaker 2: Thanks some day. Karen read their number eight that day

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Speaker 2: as the All Blacks won the World Cup teen years ago.

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