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Speaker 2: The report has been released into the sinking of the

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Speaker 2: manawen Nui. Looking through the in depth report is our

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Speaker 2: political editor Jason Wolves, who joins us once again get

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Speaker 2: a Jason.

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Speaker 3: Oh, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Boys, Jason. This appears to be a damning report. What

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Speaker 4: are the basic findings?

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean, right at the top, human error

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Speaker 3: and a failure to disengage in auto pilot control has

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Speaker 3: been confirmed as the root cause of the manawan Nui

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Speaker 3: running aground and sinking off the coast of the Pacific. Now,

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that somebody accidentally and it was

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Speaker 3: an accident, of course, but somebody's human error caused a

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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollar problem. I mean, you've got to

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Speaker 3: be that person. If you've ever made a mistake in

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Speaker 3: the workplace, at least feel some sort of level of

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Speaker 3: gratitude that it wasn't one hundred million dollar mistakes. So

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Speaker 3: with the press conference is still running, We've just heard

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Speaker 3: from our Navy rear, Admiral garn Golding, and here's what

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Speaker 3: he said.

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Speaker 5: And so it wasn't a deliberate high grade survey. It

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Speaker 5: was a rapid environmental assessment, so it does come with

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Speaker 5: additional complexity, and it did have an operational outcome. It's just,

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Speaker 5: you know, we are operating in complex environments.

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Speaker 3: So that's a bit of an understatement. We are operating

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Speaker 3: in complex environment And listen, I'm not late. This isn't

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Speaker 3: a pylon of Yvonne Gray, who is the commander who

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Speaker 3: was the captain of the Mona when it's sunk. But

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Speaker 3: still looking at the issue, you must think, come on, guys,

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Speaker 3: this is just not good enough. Now. Judith Collins was

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Speaker 3: at the press conference as well, and here's what he said.

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Speaker 6: You know, we all know this shouldn't have happened, and

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Speaker 6: really bad things happen from time to time, and hopefully

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Speaker 6: it never happens to any other navy as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for that, Judis. I also hope it doesn't

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Speaker 3: happen to any other navy in the world. But listen,

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Speaker 3: it probably won't happen anywhere else in the world. It's

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Speaker 3: not one of those sort of only in New Zealand things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, un least she's she allowing us to speculate that

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Speaker 4: at the time, she's saying speculation isn't healthy. It's fun. Though,

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Speaker 4: what do we know about Commander Gray's involvement culpability? And

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Speaker 4: it has that been discussed?

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Speaker 3: Well, it would be in the report somewhere in terms

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Speaker 3: of that, but you'd have to imagine, I mean, she's

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Speaker 3: not on the hook for the whole one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she has that sitting around. It's hard,

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Speaker 3: isn't it, because obviously it's a it's a whole different

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Speaker 3: level of than it is if you crash the company car.

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Speaker 3: You know, at least they have insurance. I don't know

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Speaker 3: anybody that's ensuring a hundred million dollar ships up there,

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Speaker 3: But you know, this is I don't want to speculate

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Speaker 3: on her future. I mean, there may well be more

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Speaker 3: to come on what happens with her at the center

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Speaker 3: of this, But looking at the report, I mean, the

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Speaker 3: court was satisfied that the direct cause of the grounding

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Speaker 3: of the ship was a series of human errors witnessed

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Speaker 3: by witness two and four. So that's obviously gone into

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Speaker 3: some detail. Talking to some people that were on the

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Speaker 3: ship as well.

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Speaker 4: This statement here I find quite shocking. There was no

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Speaker 4: one on board, who was qualified enough to carry out

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Speaker 4: the hydrographic surveying, that the ship was task worth doing it,

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Speaker 4: and the ship itself was not cleared for the work.

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Speaker 4: That's what the court has found. So did anyone worship

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Speaker 4: doing there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who said go ahead?

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Speaker 2: That's a question, right, how high does it go, whether

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Speaker 2: it is above Commander Gray, and whether that is a

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Speaker 2: failing across the board from the top right down to

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Speaker 2: the bottom.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's no doubt that they've cocked up what

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Speaker 4: they were doing, but the fact that there was no

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Speaker 4: one qualified to even be doing it in the first

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Speaker 4: place is quite shocking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I guess this is as so

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Speaker 3: this report has just come out. We'll be going into

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Speaker 3: detail about these specific issues and will have answers for you.

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Speaker 3: But just looking at it, I mean those sorts of details,

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Speaker 3: I mean, a head scratcher probably underplays it quite a lot,

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Speaker 3: I would say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If anything, Jason, Judith Collins has been talking a lot

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Speaker 2: about us needing to step up in terms of our

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Speaker 2: defense beIN in if anything, this report would back what

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Speaker 2: she is saying that we need to have more resource

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Speaker 2: and to not just buying these beautiful vessels and planes

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Speaker 2: and the rest of it, but training our stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean it comes actually fortuitously at the

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Speaker 3: same time as the government plans on releasing its Defense

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Speaker 3: Capability Plan, that is the blue print of what it

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Speaker 3: wants to do in terms of spending across the military

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Speaker 3: and the defense force for the next decade and a

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Speaker 3: half or so. So we've been waiting for that for

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Speaker 3: some time, and we do know that it's going to

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Speaker 3: contain more cash than it has before. This is bucking

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Speaker 3: the trend of the rest of what's happening in government

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Speaker 3: by actually putting more money into a department rather than

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Speaker 3: taking it out. And no, absolutely this will come up

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Speaker 3: when Judith Collins is asked about this, because she'll say, well,

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Speaker 3: look at this, this is the consequences of underfunding. We

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Speaker 3: have a hundred million dollar problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so they're probably gonna have to uplif funding

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Speaker 4: by at least as much as it costs to buy

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Speaker 4: a new ship one hundred million or so, and however

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Speaker 4: many millions it took around the salvage, so that eats.

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Speaker 3: And to make the report as well. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: not cheap.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much Jason for coming on at

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Speaker 4: short notice, appreciate it, no no problem.

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