1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: The Paris Climate Accord under real pressure internationally these days. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Trump's out, the Tories in Britain can make their they 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: say they can't make the targets work. Twenty fifty isn't 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: real act here, I want to head in a similar direction. 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Hoggett is, of course the Associate Minister of vagon 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Environment these days, also former Fed Farmer's President, and he's 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: with us on this. Andrew, good morning to you. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Good morning Mike. 9 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: The logic, as I was trying to explain before the news, 10 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: if you just take it on fact, you know, factually, 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: can we get there the accord? Losers? Doesn't it well? 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Our view is that trying to do all this is 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: just costing is on far too much, and energy prices 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: and farmland being gobbled up by pine trees, and you know, 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: we're such a small part of the world's and missions, 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: and we seem to be one of the few countries 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: trying to be puer than pure on this whole thing. 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: And I think it's time we as Act party, we 19 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: feel we need to be a bit more realistic about it. 20 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: We've got a lot of good stuff going for us. 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: We've got the world's most efficient farmers, We've got a 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: lot of renewable energy. Let's not beat ourselves to death 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: over being some sort of sacrificial guinea pig. 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: How considered is this within your party? I mean, have 25 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: you angst it over or have you just been keen 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: to move on with us? No? 27 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: Look, I think David sort of first mooted this idea 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: back in February, and we've certainly been working through sort 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: of the pros and the cons and where we might 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: position ourselves on this for next year. So you know, 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: it's taken about a good five months of working through 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: and thinking through how we position it. 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: And having made it public yesterday. Of course National says 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: that they're not doing it, So this will be an 35 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: election issue. You will campaign in the election campaign as 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: an individual party with this particular stance. 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: Yes, that is our plan that voters can see, here 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: is what we are going to be proposing head of 39 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: next year's election, and they can make their minds up 40 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: at the election. 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Do you think anyone you'll ever talk the Greens down 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: all the passionates about the subject. Do you think you 43 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: can ever talk them down with with some logic and 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: some fact as opposed to the idealism of trying to 45 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: save the world. 46 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: I guess I've been trying to do that for quite 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: a while and hasn't been too much success. You know, 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people seem to get the reality 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: that you don't have to reduce meating to zero, but 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: then they just go onto this. But we don't like 51 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: dairy farming and we think it should disappear anyway. So 52 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: sometimes the religious zelatory over Trump's or Trump's the practical 53 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: realities do you. 54 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Reckon as well? If I ran it up one hundred farmers, 55 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: how many would back the accidents on this do you think. 56 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: Going by my Facebook posts, at least ninety eight or 57 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: ninety nine. 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: Well, you're right up there, right mate. Appreciate it. 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