1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Right, Barrisoper, Senior political correspondence with US Hey barring right afternoon, 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Heather Erica Stanford smashing it out of the park. I mean, 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: she's not stopping. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: This is a significant, certainly a significant change in education. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 2: I mean, the last time there was one as big 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: as this was back in two thousand and two, which 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: was when they brought in nca and the minister then 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: was none other than our old favorite Treva Mallard who 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: played Barry Manilow to the protests down at Parliament during COVID. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, we can blame him for that, along with 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: a number of other things. But look, certainly NCAA was 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: indeterminate for certainly for employers didn't quite understand the pass 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: passes that were given assess and then they could be 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: traded off with other subjects. 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: So any parent or a lot of students, most of 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: the honest students, and they will tell you the kids 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: are gaming it. They gamed it. Parents will tell how 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: their children are gaming it. One of our colleagues has 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: a son who gamed it, so she pulled a daughter 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: out of it and put her daughter in Cambridge. 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll stop the daughter. Do you know this essentially 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: is going back to what it was in the olden 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 2: days when I was at school and we had school 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: certificate and university entrance and you know, five subjects you 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: had to pass four. But it's exactly the same as 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: what you've got to do here. Get at least fifty 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: percent in each subject. At least you've got a good 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: yardstick for employers to look at and say, have they 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: got school? See have they got you were? What were 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: their past marks, what were their strong points? What were 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: the weak points? You know, we can't have this namby 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: Pamby stand in education where you know, we don't like 33 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: winners and losers. We just like winners. 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're just like a We're just like people 35 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: who turn up. Apparently, Yeah, I see those those complaints 36 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: against Ozzie Malcolm have been basically substantiated by the cops. 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: Seventh boy. 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: Well, yes, these were allegations that were made between well, 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: they occurred between allegedly between nineteen ninety two and twenty eighteen. 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: And I've got to say for people like me who 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: knew Ossy Malcolm very well when he was in parliament, 42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: he was out of parliament nineteen eighty four with a 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: snap election. He was the Immigration Minister. Interestingly, that allowed 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: the spring Box to come into this country. He issued 45 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: the visas and he was a big supporter of Rob Muldoon. 46 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: But look, he's an extraordinarily likable bloke. But clearly, you 47 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: know this is a terrible cloud that now hangs over him. 48 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: He died last September and you know allegations then first 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: surfaced and now they've done a review of it and 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: released under the Official Information Act. We see that. Look, 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: these charges, if they were now looked at yet again, 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: would likely have stood up. 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: Hey is Winston Peter's going to the Cox for the speech. 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: No he's not. He was here today and this was 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: sixty years today since they signed off the Free Association 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: with the Corck Islands. That's where Cork Islanders get New 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: Zealand passports New Zealand citizenship. So it was in nineteen 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: sixty five that this was signed off and Winston Peters was. 59 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: You know, he's still obviously annoyed at the Corks and 60 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: their Prime minister for doing that deal with China because 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: as part of the Free Association agreement, the agreement is 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: that they should consult regularly with New Zealand on issues 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: like this and this was a fairly comprehensive agreement that 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: the Cork Islands made with China. And we're still in 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: the dark and Winston Peters is withholding money from the 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: Cork Islands and there's no indication at the moment when 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: that money will be restored. But the Prime Minister there, 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: Mark Brown, he's not telling us anything. He hasn't made 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: any public statement. So I think whilst they're in that situation, 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: there'll be a lot of Cork Islanders. I think that'll 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: be quite upset about this. 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: This plead to understand Chris Luxe's humanity a little desperate, 73 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it. 74 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Well you know this, Sylvia Wood made it at the 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: party's annual conference over the weekend. Yeah. Well it's probably 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: her pointing out a side of Chris Luxon that a 77 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: lot of people don't see what he's as a business. 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: Does that even mean his humanity? 79 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: What she's talking about, clearly is that we see that 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: the hard side of Chris Luxon, and there is a softer. 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: Side, a hard side it's not hard enough. Well, what 82 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: did you see a wishy washy in the middle. 83 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: Well no, some would say that, but look, I think 84 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: if you look at the A and Z chief economists. 85 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: The Group and Z chief Economist Richard yet Singer. He 86 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: did a look at the New Zealand economy and believes 87 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: that we're even with that fifteen percent terror from the 88 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: United States, we will be looking much better next year. 89 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: And that'll be the hope, obviously of Chris Luxen. The 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: point that Sylvia Wood was making is that look, look 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: beyond what you see at the moment, which is hardline 92 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: business sort of approach to politics, and then you'll see 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: another side and his popularity will increase. And I actually 94 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: happen to agree with her. I think being Prime Minister 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: in this period, in the last eighteen months has been 96 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: an appalling situation, very tough to be in, and you know, 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: I think, like you said, they should have been tougher 98 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: and they should have been in a number of areas. 99 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: But I think you're seeing you know, the point that 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: Yt Singer made was that inflated sorry interest rates, when 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: they're low, they encourage business and they put a new 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: injection into the economy and that's what we hopefully will 103 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: see the proceeds of next year. 104 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Barry, thank you appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondent 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: here that my pick for the next National Party leader 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: is Chris Bishop. So Barry's shaking his head. I just 107 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: want you to know because he's just like, why are 108 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: people doing this to Chris Luxon. He's articulate, decisive intelligence, 109 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: quick off the mark. Thank you for that. For more 110 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to News Talks 111 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: at B from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 112 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.