1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Barysopa, our senior political correspondent, obviously raps the political week 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: that was at this time during the week. Welcome back, Barry, 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, Heather. I think that he is safer because 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: he front footed it today. What do you think you're 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: talking about, Chris Luxon Hares? Is there anything else to 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: talk about in politics? 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think he did well coming on your program, 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: and I found the interview really interesting. You didn't lay off, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: you laid into him a bit. But what he did 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: I think well, and I haven't heard him talk like 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: this for some time. He explained himself so articulately, very 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: clear to the point, and certainly talked about polls. And 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: I found his take on opinion polls and I've heard 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: them many times from politicians over the years, and the 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: validity of polls. I thought his take on it was 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: quite well. And I think even the tone of his 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: voice would suggest to me there's no pressure on him 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: to bugger off at the stage, and you know, I 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 2: don't think there will be. It's been my feeling all along. 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 2: I mean, this man that I've never seen a person 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: come into politics into the prime minister's chair in such 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: a short time. If he is doing an apprenticeship, he'd 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: just be a journeyman. Now five years he's been in 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: the place, and you know, to be able to articulate 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: the way he does, I think he does pretty well. 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: A lot of people say he's too verbose over talks. 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: My problem with him is he answers too many questions 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: that many politicians will tell the journalists to bugger off. 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Okay, So he has got to though, it's going to 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: be long eight months to the election unless the polls improve, 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: which means and I know it's you know, you can't 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: be sure the polls will improve. And so what he's 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: got to do is he has got to ask for 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: the next eight months his own MPs and National Party 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 1: voters and the media to believe that the polls are wrong. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Is that word? 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're assuming that the polls are going 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: to be exactly the same between now and the election. 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 2: I mean, the National Party must have not they must 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 2: have I don't know, been shocked beyond belief when Donald 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: Trump invaded and Netanyahu invaded Iran, because you know, the 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: invasion in the Middle East effects New Zealand. It affects 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: us to the extent of oil. So we pay more 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: at the petrol pump. What do people blame when they 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: pay more at the petrol pump? They blame the government. 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: But I would just hope that the New Zealand public 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: look beyond that and say that here was an economy 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: and it's teetering now on turning the corner. There are 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: a lot of green shoots. If you look at tourism 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: in particular, wine sales abroad, exports are excellent at the moment, 51 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, the country is looking better and it's again 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: getting a mood going now. If Chris Luckson can be 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: himself like he was earlier or tonight, if he can 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: be himself, then I think the public may see another 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: side of Christ. 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Okay do you think can we put this one down 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: to the media getting way too excited? 58 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: Oh totally. You know. I think the fact that the 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: Prime Minister was out of contact after this poll, well, 60 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: when this poll came out, he is at the Golden 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: chairs and the wire rapp who is out in his 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: own Botany electorate and it's fear for him to say, well, 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: he wasn't a weird But can I put to. 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: You why this is not the media get getting too 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: excited yeah, sure, because I think this is being driven 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: by some mischief making that's going on. But also there 67 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: are people in the National Party who are taking calls 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: from media and making this worse. 69 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: Well, I've talked to a number in the National Party 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: as well, and the ones that I've talked to, and 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: the very senior in the National Party have been one 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: hundred percent behind Chris Luckson. So they're not getting panic, 73 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: they're not getting frightened by this. I guess, like you've 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: pointed out, there are twelve people that could lose their 75 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: job if this poll is translated into the election night numbers. 76 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: I don't think for the life of me it will be. 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: And even if there is, certainly that those people would 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: lose their seats, like you said, Nikola Willis, Chris Bishop 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: is he in. 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Chris Bishop is in a seat in an electorate seat. 81 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: But it's hut to remember it exactly. It's a swing seat. 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a big problem. 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: So he could be gone, Nichola could be gone. 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: Paul Goldsmith, Yeah, the backbone of the National Party at 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: the moment. But look, I think they know, and they 86 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: are relatively skilled politicians, they'll know that on one pole 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: does not an election. 88 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: Make Yeah, Barry, thank you very much. As always, Barry Soper, 89 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: our senior political correspondent, rapping the political week that was. 90 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: news talks It'd be from four pm weekdays. 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