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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Rejoin up at the Yes Accident more in a New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: You're a jactative on Newstalks. The'd be this is Troy

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Speaker 2: Kingy and you would have to say, Troy Kingy is

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Speaker 2: a man on a mission. Ten albums and ten genres

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Speaker 2: over ten years. Throughout the project, Troy has carved a

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Speaker 2: remarkable reputation for musical versatility and talent. Last month, he

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Speaker 2: released album number eight in the ten ten ten project,

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Speaker 2: leave Them in the Mojave Green. Of course, Estelle music

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Speaker 2: reviewer on Saturday Mornings gave it ten out of ten.

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Speaker 2: She reckons it was extraordinary, a rock album that has

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Speaker 2: brought Troy Kingey back to his roots. And now somehow, somehow,

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Speaker 2: Troy is squeezing in a tour of New Zealand before

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Speaker 2: getting to work on the final two albums in his

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Speaker 2: ten ten ten series, and Troy is with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Ah Tomuddy Ekilda, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Ten ou queer Jack. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. I think we should talk

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Speaker 2: process and I know that you're not the kind of

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Speaker 2: guy who likes to be too retrospective and think about

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Speaker 2: the past too much. But just for the sake of context,

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Speaker 2: can you talk us through the process for recording leather

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Speaker 2: Man in the Mahabi Green.

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Speaker 3: There's quite a big process obviously. The first part of

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Speaker 3: that is trying to find funding to get somewhere, and

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Speaker 3: we happen to record this album over in Joshua Tree

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Speaker 3: in La So there was a lot of the funds

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Speaker 3: get Tom Herne and Tofaki on board to film this

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Speaker 3: documentary and that essentially got us over there. So, but

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Speaker 3: the big impetus behind going over there was those that

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Speaker 3: don't know I'm doing a ten ten ten series where

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to do ten albums in ten years, ten

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Speaker 3: different genres. This was number eight. Yeah, and when you

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Speaker 3: try and put something like that in front of you,

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Speaker 3: you're going to head a wall at some point. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like last year was that war. So going

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Speaker 3: over to the desert was me trying to rekindle the

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Speaker 3: flame that got me into this industry in the first place. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Joshua Tree, for people who don't know, California middle

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Speaker 2: of the desert like forty degrees every day. It is dry,

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Speaker 2: it is a super harsh environment, and there is this

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Speaker 2: amazing studio there. Rancho de la Luna like Rancho of

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Speaker 2: the of the Moon talk to us about that environment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known about this place for over two decades now.

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Speaker 3: One of my all time favorite bands, Queens of the

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Speaker 3: favorite album to this day. So when Matt, who works

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Speaker 3: at the label I'm with, suggested we go over there,

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Speaker 3: I always thought it was just a pipe dream. But

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Speaker 3: actually standing there, you know Dave Catching who's also in

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Speaker 3: use this guitar on the song, or Dave Grohl was

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Speaker 3: playing the exact same thing. You know, you can't help

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Speaker 3: but just get excited and inspired. So yeah, it's nothing amazing.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't look anything like it's no Abbey Road or

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Speaker 2: And ready, and so you went there seeking inspiration. Why

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Speaker 2: do you think you'd hit that block? Is it just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I keep saying it's a creative block, but it's

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Speaker 3: probably more. I'm still able to create a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 3: questioning all my directions and back in the beginning, I'll

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Speaker 3: I kind of lost that. So actually going back to

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Speaker 3: who I am. It was timely, It was like perfect

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of those cool experiences. And for

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Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen it, I cannot recommend Troy Kingy's

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Speaker 2: Desert Hikoy on TVNZ plus enough because it's amazing. So

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Speaker 2: But you really leaned into the search for inspiration because

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Speaker 2: you took magic mushrooms. How was that?

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Speaker 3: I was quite anxious about it, actually, because people will

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Speaker 3: You know, I've got five kids. I got to be

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Speaker 3: And initially we were supposed to do ayahuasca, and then

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Speaker 3: I just woke up and songs just started writing themselves

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Speaker 2: It was like a creative river. That's the term you

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Speaker 2: use it, that's it. Yeah, was that a scary thing to.

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Speaker 3: Do hard up out. I don't know how people do that,

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Speaker 3: I'm just glad that we had this nice, confined space

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Speaker 3: And I even said in the Docker, I loved experience.

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Speaker 2: Did you think there's something like a primal connection that

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Speaker 2: like being from ALTI or being MILDI like, we don't

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Speaker 2: wonder if there's something like at an even kind of

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Speaker 2: to those Maybe it's the insignificance of being in the desert.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you feel that kind of primal?

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Speaker 3: Definitely. We had another friend of mine, Mark Russell, who's

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Speaker 3: take photos and oh, man, it's just a beautiful place.

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Speaker 3: And you're right, it does. It does show you how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have your fans reacted to the range of different

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Speaker 2: released under the ten ten ten so far?

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Speaker 3: I think I have an amazing fan base that are

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Speaker 3: suggesting like, what are you doing next? You're going to

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Speaker 3: do a techno album or you're going to do a

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Speaker 3: this now. Yeah, you're either with me or you're not.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, but I'm going to do this thing. And

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Speaker 2: And you said earlier that this feels like you're kind

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Speaker 3: Well, if you listen to my very first album, which

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Speaker 3: for drumming again, you know. So yeah, it was definitely

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Speaker 3: and I've given them a playlist and asked what style

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh far, I don't even think about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I'm still yet to come up with the overall

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I was reflecting on the ten ten

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Speaker 2: doesn't forces you to release music, right, If you're going

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Speaker 2: forced to constantly be creating. And are you familiar with

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Speaker 2: this the kind of principle around creativity that the best

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Speaker 3: These particular ponchos that I've been wearing from a company

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Bro appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That is Troy Kingey. His tour details are going to

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Speaker 2: Leather Man and the Mojave Green is his latest album.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely fantastic, so if you haven't had a

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