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Speaker 1: You're listening to this Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at be You know.

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Speaker 2: That I like to try and kick things off on

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Speaker 2: a Saturday morning with a bit of chair, a bit

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Speaker 2: of sunshine. But I'll tell you what it is hard

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Speaker 2: to look beyond yet another terrible bleak milestone in the

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Speaker 2: appalling war in Gaza. So overnight, the UN backed Food

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Speaker 2: Security Body has a very long name, a very long acronym,

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Speaker 2: but it's confirmed famine in Gaza City. It's officially reached

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Speaker 2: that threshold, the first time that famine has ever been

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Speaker 2: declared in the Middle East. As the UN Secretary General declared,

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Speaker 2: this is a man made catastrophe. There are many many

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Speaker 2: third party countries that want to get more aid into Gaza.

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Speaker 2: A shortage of food isn't the problem. Access and distribution is.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago, immediately after the October seventh attacks, I

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Speaker 2: said a few things on the show, and I went

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Speaker 2: back and looked up my editorial from that day. I

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Speaker 2: just want to share with you again a few words

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Speaker 2: that I wrote that day. Quote, Israel has the right

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Speaker 2: to exist in peace. Palestine should have the freedom of statehood.

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Speaker 2: Both of those things can be true. The deliberate targeting

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Speaker 2: of Israeli civilians is an appalling, utterly inexcusable act of violence.

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Speaker 2: The systematic flattening of Gaza no water, no power, no

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Speaker 2: food is an unacceptably brutal collective punishment for a huge

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Speaker 2: civilian population where almost half of people are children. Both

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Speaker 2: of those things can be true too unquote. As the

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Speaker 2: war has progressed, the scale and nature of Israel's reprisals

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Speaker 2: has made it obvious to many millions of fair minded

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Speaker 2: people that a country born from the gravest atrocities life

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Speaker 2: last century is now also responsible for them. Figures from

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Speaker 2: Elaked Israeli database this week suggest that eighty three percent

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Speaker 2: of those killed in Gaza have been civilians, eighty three percent,

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Speaker 2: more than four out of five. Of course, Israel denies

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Speaker 2: genocide and war crimes, but independent verification is nigh impossible

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Speaker 2: as no journalists are allowed in and many of those

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Speaker 2: on the ground have been killed in Israeli attacks. But

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Speaker 2: one of the many, many great tragedies in all of

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Speaker 2: this is I think has become increasingly clear that Israel

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Speaker 2: has played into Hamas's hands. Evil as the strategy might

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Speaker 2: have been, Hamas wanted to spur an extreme and disproportionate response,

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Speaker 2: motivated by their own personal agendas and self preservation. Israel's

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Speaker 2: leaders fell for it, and now we have kids mere

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Speaker 2: minutes from the Mediterranean with ribs sticking out of their skin,

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Speaker 2: dying from malnutrition. The thing that I still don't understand

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Speaker 2: is how any Israeli leader thinks this will ultimately make

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Speaker 2: their people safer. Maybe in the short term, sure, Israelis

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Speaker 2: can sleep easy at night, protected by their military, But

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Speaker 2: every innocent person killed in Gaza breeds hate in five

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Speaker 2: other survivors. The war in Gaza has condemned generations of

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Speaker 2: Palestinians and Israelis to insecurity. I'm just going to finish

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Speaker 2: this morning with it with a line that I wrote

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Speaker 2: and shared with you immediately after October seventh, which sadly

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Speaker 2: feels just as relevant today. It's a cycle. Hate and

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Speaker 2: violence is a cycle. There is no way for any

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Speaker 2: party to kill and fight their way to a lasting,

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Speaker 2: peaceful resolution. Hamas's attack has spurred the Israeli reprisal. The

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Speaker 2: reprisal will spur Palestinians into violence in the future, which

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Speaker 2: in turn will spur and Israeli reprisal rinse the blood

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Speaker 2: and repeat. Hate breeds hate breeds hate.

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