WEBVTT - The Resident Builder podcast: October 13, 2024 0:00:06.855 --> 0:00:10.695 You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 0:00:10.895 --> 0:00:12.775 from News talks'b. 0:00:12.775 --> 0:00:15.055 SO for the first time of my life on Wednesday 0:00:15.095 --> 0:00:17.135 iPhone talk Back. I'll tell you a bit more about 0:00:17.135 --> 0:00:20.375 that later on rachel A, very good morning, Thanks for waiting. 0:00:20.375 --> 0:00:20.815 How are you? 0:00:21.495 --> 0:00:24.615 I think that's okay. Look, I've got a problem here. 0:00:24.695 --> 0:00:28.535 I've got an old house, about nineteen thirties forties I think, 0:00:29.015 --> 0:00:31.695 And I got an electrician around him to check the 0:00:31.735 --> 0:00:34.455 wiring because I was just wanted it all checked. A 0:00:34.455 --> 0:00:37.935 friend of mine has a wiring house anyway. He really 0:00:37.975 --> 0:00:42.335 frightened me. Oh co electrician, He really said, he found 0:00:42.375 --> 0:00:45.935 I've got what he said, the wiring. Someone was old. 0:00:46.415 --> 0:00:50.615 He said, found conduit cables presence on the lighting between floors, 0:00:51.135 --> 0:00:54.295 advised customer. And what does that mean? He said, I 0:00:54.335 --> 0:00:57.575 would get the lighting fixed. I'd have to remove the 0:00:57.615 --> 0:01:01.215 whole top floor and the carpet and everything out of 0:01:01.255 --> 0:01:05.615 the top floor to have the cables fixed. I mean, 0:01:06.135 --> 0:01:09.295 I really really was frightened. He said, how are you 0:01:09.335 --> 0:01:11.575 going to live here? I said, well until I die. 0:01:11.575 --> 0:01:13.775 He said, well, I wouldn't advise that. He said, I'd 0:01:13.815 --> 0:01:17.735 give you maybe one or two years. I mean so frightening. 0:01:19.175 --> 0:01:28.375 Yeah, and look that he probably the electrician. I mean, look, 0:01:28.455 --> 0:01:32.495 by all accounts, get another electrician to come along. And 0:01:32.895 --> 0:01:35.935 this is the worst part of human nature is that, 0:01:36.455 --> 0:01:38.695 you know, what we hope hasn't happened, is that an 0:01:38.695 --> 0:01:44.055 electrician has come along and decided that they will put 0:01:44.055 --> 0:01:46.895 the fear of God into you basically about the state 0:01:46.935 --> 0:01:51.415 of your electrical wiring and get you to do work 0:01:51.415 --> 0:01:55.015 that's not necessary. Now, I think that's quite unlikely, so 0:01:55.335 --> 0:01:57.055 I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. 0:01:57.495 --> 0:02:01.855 They are professionals, right, There is genuine concern around that 0:02:01.935 --> 0:02:04.255 type of old electrical cabling. 0:02:04.655 --> 0:02:08.415 So if i'd you at cable, yeah, So typically. 0:02:07.935 --> 0:02:11.095 What they'll be describing is for the vintage of your house, 0:02:12.855 --> 0:02:17.175 there will be metal conduit that runs through the building. 0:02:17.255 --> 0:02:19.575 It'll run through the mid floor because your house is 0:02:19.575 --> 0:02:22.615 too story, it'll run down the wall, and then inside 0:02:22.695 --> 0:02:27.095 that the original electrical cabling. Now I'm a carpenter, I'm 0:02:27.135 --> 0:02:28.975 not an electrician, but I've worked on a number of 0:02:29.055 --> 0:02:32.095 old houses and I've spent a lot of time with 0:02:32.175 --> 0:02:35.815 my electrician looking at these sorts of things. So you'll 0:02:35.855 --> 0:02:41.135 have metal conduit inside that will be. It's often a 0:02:41.255 --> 0:02:47.335 cloth coated electrical cable right now, that phrase and deteriorates 0:02:47.375 --> 0:02:50.175 over time. We're talking if it's nineteen thirties, we're getting 0:02:50.215 --> 0:02:53.255 close to one hundred years old, right, And the concern 0:02:53.375 --> 0:02:57.615 is that as that phrase, it may cause a short 0:02:58.055 --> 0:03:01.615 and it will have a spark, and that spark could 0:03:01.655 --> 0:03:05.855 then cause a fire. And this is not uncommon and 0:03:05.895 --> 0:03:09.775 it's a genuine concern. So if what the electrician has 0:03:10.815 --> 0:03:15.095 found is that your live electrical cables us or your 0:03:15.855 --> 0:03:19.535 lights for example, are still turning on and turning off 0:03:19.535 --> 0:03:22.295 because they run through this old cable, there is a 0:03:22.375 --> 0:03:26.815 genuine concern there, and certainly when they encounter it as professionals, 0:03:26.895 --> 0:03:31.855 they have to advise that it should be removed. For example, 0:03:33.255 --> 0:03:35.135 if you buy a new house, or if you buy 0:03:35.175 --> 0:03:37.775 a house today and it's an older if it's anything 0:03:37.815 --> 0:03:42.215 pre nineteen forties, your insurer will ask you is there 0:03:42.255 --> 0:03:45.855 any old existing electrical cabling right or has the cabling 0:03:45.895 --> 0:03:50.975 been upgraded? Then we're onto the practical side of removing it. 0:03:51.135 --> 0:03:53.855 And in fact, one of the electricians that I work 0:03:53.935 --> 0:03:56.815 with number of years ago, I did exactly that for them. 0:03:57.615 --> 0:04:00.175 It was a renovation to a two storied house, probably 0:04:00.255 --> 0:04:04.375 nineteen thirties. And I came along and the floors had 0:04:04.415 --> 0:04:07.455 been the carpet had been removed, or the floors were 0:04:07.615 --> 0:04:10.655 just stripped flooring, and he gave me an idea of 0:04:10.735 --> 0:04:13.935 where he needed to go, and I very carefully cut 0:04:13.975 --> 0:04:18.495 and removed the flooring so that he could get access 0:04:18.535 --> 0:04:21.295 to the mid floor. Because you've got two choices, right, 0:04:21.335 --> 0:04:23.335 One is to pull the ceiling down, which is a 0:04:23.335 --> 0:04:26.135 lot of work. The other is to make changes to 0:04:26.215 --> 0:04:28.615 the flooring, which is still quite a bit of work, 0:04:28.775 --> 0:04:31.975 but it's easier to repair. So I went through and 0:04:32.015 --> 0:04:36.415 I removed boards carefully. He then could strip out the 0:04:36.455 --> 0:04:38.615 old cable, or you don't even need to strip it out. 0:04:38.655 --> 0:04:40.335 You just need to deaden it, right, you need to 0:04:40.375 --> 0:04:45.655 deactivate it. Then he ran new electrical cable through, connected 0:04:45.735 --> 0:04:48.175 up all of the circuits again, and then I repaired 0:04:48.255 --> 0:04:52.055 all of the floorboards. But it's it is a time consuming, 0:04:52.815 --> 0:04:55.335 and time is money, and that's where it gets expensive 0:04:55.415 --> 0:04:56.055 to do that. 0:04:57.095 --> 0:04:59.495 Huge He said, yeah, that's right, he said, he wouldn't. 0:04:59.735 --> 0:05:03.055 I've got really beautiful sculpted ceilings. He said, you wouldn't. 0:05:03.135 --> 0:05:05.135 You don't want to pull those down. So he's right there. 0:05:05.295 --> 0:05:08.295 He said, I have to the whole top floor, everything 0:05:08.295 --> 0:05:10.575 I've got on the top floor, rip up the carpet, 0:05:10.695 --> 0:05:12.735 get a carpenter. And I mean, this is a company 0:05:12.775 --> 0:05:15.815 I've used for years. I don't doubt you know that 0:05:15.935 --> 0:05:19.415 their veracity. But it's just absolutely terrifying it. I have 0:05:19.615 --> 0:05:22.415 no idea. I don't know what shall I do, well, 0:05:22.735 --> 0:05:26.655 what will I do? Reduce to get the conduit cables 0:05:27.055 --> 0:05:29.815 you know, removed or what I mean, I don't know 0:05:29.855 --> 0:05:30.295 what to do. 0:05:30.655 --> 0:05:33.855 You don't necessarily need to remove them. But the concern 0:05:34.015 --> 0:05:37.255 is if you've got electric, you know, electricity flowing through 0:05:37.295 --> 0:05:41.495 these old cables inside the conduit. The conduit obviously it's 0:05:41.575 --> 0:05:44.135 metal right now. What happens there is if you get 0:05:44.335 --> 0:05:48.575 electrical contact with the metal, the metal will become live, right, 0:05:48.935 --> 0:05:53.455 and you have potential for electrocution. In some cases, you 0:05:53.535 --> 0:05:57.695 certainly have potential for fires to start from freyed cabling. 0:05:59.295 --> 0:06:04.415 And that's the concern. And unfortunately, there's no other way 0:06:04.455 --> 0:06:07.215 to look at it than to go Actually, experience teaches 0:06:07.295 --> 0:06:12.495 us this is a genuine concern. There is some risk 0:06:13.295 --> 0:06:18.415 involved in leaving it. It's not inevitable that either an 0:06:18.415 --> 0:06:21.495 electrical fault will occur or a fire will start. But 0:06:21.615 --> 0:06:24.575 it is a genuine risk. It is the reason that 0:06:24.615 --> 0:06:27.575 we go through and replace old cabling like that. 0:06:29.415 --> 0:06:32.415 So is that what I've got to do? Replace the 0:06:32.455 --> 0:06:33.095 old cabling? 0:06:34.575 --> 0:06:36.855 I think that Let's say, you know, if you've used 0:06:36.895 --> 0:06:40.015 the electrician for years, they're not there to you know, 0:06:40.495 --> 0:06:43.655 make work where there isn't work if you want to. 0:06:43.895 --> 0:06:46.135 Yeah, that's right. I don't think that. He checked the 0:06:46.175 --> 0:06:51.335 rest of the he said he checked wearing in the house, 0:06:51.375 --> 0:06:55.855 including switchboard sockets, and like, yeah, found conduit cables. Is 0:06:55.855 --> 0:06:58.375 that the problem? The conduit cables? But I mean, I 0:06:58.455 --> 0:07:01.255 just can't consider doing that. I know, I had the 0:07:01.295 --> 0:07:07.375 whole top floor removed, and you know, I don't There 0:07:07.455 --> 0:07:09.855 must be something, surely something else I could do. 0:07:10.375 --> 0:07:14.455 Sometimes there just isn't. That that's the really hard thing, right, 0:07:14.495 --> 0:07:22.535 So if I mean there might be some creative ways 0:07:22.535 --> 0:07:26.535 to solve the problem. 0:07:25.575 --> 0:07:28.015 I thought i'd did what i'd do. I interrupt, You 0:07:29.455 --> 0:07:33.655 get another opinion. Also, I'm not going to live in fear, 0:07:33.775 --> 0:07:35.895 and I'm not going to do it once I can't 0:07:35.895 --> 0:07:39.055 afford it to do the whole house, and I'm just 0:07:39.095 --> 0:07:40.335 not going to do it. You know, I just feel 0:07:40.375 --> 0:07:43.215 as if I just don't want to do anything. It came. 0:07:43.655 --> 0:07:46.215 This became completely out of the blue. I had no idea, 0:07:46.575 --> 0:07:48.615 So I think I'll get it setind opinion. Do you 0:07:48.655 --> 0:07:49.895 say that's a good idea? 0:07:49.975 --> 0:07:54.495 Yes, But I suspect given you know, if you said 0:07:54.495 --> 0:07:57.215 to me, I got an electrician in who I don't know, 0:07:57.495 --> 0:07:59.335 and I've never met them before, and I don't know 0:07:59.375 --> 0:08:03.055 anything about their background, and they've told me there's a 0:08:03.095 --> 0:08:05.335 part of me that would be suspicious. But what you're 0:08:05.335 --> 0:08:07.655 telling me is this is electrician that you've built up 0:08:08.215 --> 0:08:10.175 a working relationship with over a number of. 0:08:10.215 --> 0:08:11.895 Years the company. 0:08:12.295 --> 0:08:15.615 You have no reason to distrust them, right. 0:08:16.335 --> 0:08:17.415 Don't distrust them. 0:08:17.455 --> 0:08:20.895 So in that sense, I think, yes, get another opinion, 0:08:21.255 --> 0:08:25.655 and look what might be possible. I guess I'd like 0:08:25.695 --> 0:08:27.855 to think of myself as pragmatic. So if I was 0:08:27.895 --> 0:08:30.495 in your situation, well, let's be blunt. If you were 0:08:30.495 --> 0:08:35.535 my mum, right, you know what I mean, I'd say, Okay, 0:08:35.575 --> 0:08:38.095 I get it. So what can we do to reduce 0:08:38.135 --> 0:08:40.095 the risk. And what we might end up doing is 0:08:40.975 --> 0:08:44.375 disconnecting those circuits and you have a light in the 0:08:44.375 --> 0:08:46.735 middle of the room. Maybe we'll just run some conduit, 0:08:46.815 --> 0:08:49.335 some trunking across the ceiling and give you a light 0:08:49.735 --> 0:08:53.295 that's safe, and then someone else will fix the big problem. 0:08:53.415 --> 0:08:56.695 And the fact that it hasn't been fixed is also 0:08:56.855 --> 0:09:00.375 not that surprising because it often that type of task 0:09:01.055 --> 0:09:03.895 goes into the too hard basket, or we do it 0:09:03.935 --> 0:09:06.695 when we're doing an extensive renovation in the house. You know, 0:09:06.975 --> 0:09:08.895 we might be adding on or we might be pulling 0:09:08.935 --> 0:09:12.695 up flaws or whatever, and you do it then just 0:09:12.855 --> 0:09:16.455 doing it and not doing anything else as part of 0:09:16.495 --> 0:09:19.055 a renovation. I'm not surprised that it's been left in 0:09:19.095 --> 0:09:20.055 the two hard basket. 0:09:20.895 --> 0:09:21.095 Yeah. 0:09:21.295 --> 0:09:23.855 See, I don't use that light. He found crackling in 0:09:23.935 --> 0:09:25.935 the light switch in the bedroom. But I don't use 0:09:25.935 --> 0:09:29.855 that light anyway. So that would minimize a risk, wasn't it. 0:09:29.855 --> 0:09:32.815 It would, But I mean, you know, it would be 0:09:32.895 --> 0:09:35.495 unwise of me to advise you just to well, just 0:09:35.535 --> 0:09:38.015 don't use the light, because you know, it probably is 0:09:38.015 --> 0:09:40.535 indicative that other things are happening inside the house that 0:09:41.015 --> 0:09:43.575 you may not be as aware of. So the other 0:09:43.615 --> 0:09:46.135 thing to do is, if you want to, you can 0:09:46.175 --> 0:09:50.495 get so. Electricians obviously are registered. There are also registered 0:09:50.615 --> 0:09:55.975 electrical inspectors who will be perhaps a little more independent 0:09:57.175 --> 0:10:01.295 and if you want and typically it's another layer of qualification. 0:10:01.775 --> 0:10:04.015 So if you want it to have someone inspect the property, 0:10:04.455 --> 0:10:08.695 look for a registered electrical inspector and ask them to 0:10:08.695 --> 0:10:09.815 come out and have a look at it. 0:10:10.855 --> 0:10:13.055 How do I get registered electrical inspector? 0:10:13.895 --> 0:10:16.495 Just do a Google search for electrical inspectors in your 0:10:16.535 --> 0:10:20.655 area and names will come up. Whereabouts in the country 0:10:20.695 --> 0:10:21.735 are you, Rachel. 0:10:22.015 --> 0:10:24.935 I'm an Auckland okay. 0:10:25.055 --> 0:10:29.775 Um, look offut I'm more than happy to recommend someone. 0:10:29.855 --> 0:10:33.615 So if you would like me to give you a number, 0:10:33.615 --> 0:10:36.095 I'm more than happy to do that. Just stay on 0:10:36.095 --> 0:10:38.895 the line and I'll get Isiah to take your number. 0:10:39.575 --> 0:10:43.135 I unfortunately, Rachel, I think it is going to be 0:10:43.295 --> 0:10:46.655 a big job and someone's going to have to do it, 0:10:46.695 --> 0:10:48.935 whether that's you're the next owner, but someone's going to 0:10:48.935 --> 0:10:50.975 have to fix it. It is six fifty one. We 0:10:51.095 --> 0:10:52.775 will talk to Daryl in just a moment. 0:11:21.175 --> 0:12:37.015 Ut U. 0:14:01.735 --> 0:14:09.255 F you and news talk zaid be oh eight one 0:14:09.295 --> 0:14:11.255 hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call now. 0:14:11.295 --> 0:14:16.295 For some reason, I haven't ah text messages. I knew 0:14:16.295 --> 0:14:18.175 that there was something missing in my life this morning. 0:14:18.295 --> 0:14:21.135 I had something covering that. Pete. I'm an electrician too. 0:14:21.135 --> 0:14:23.695 The metal conduit is usually well earthed, so if a 0:14:23.735 --> 0:14:26.495 short should it should blow the fuse. In the past, 0:14:26.535 --> 0:14:31.775 I've drawn new conduit wire through the existing old conduits 0:14:33.895 --> 0:14:36.455 to get rid of the cloth insulated cables. You can 0:14:36.535 --> 0:14:43.535 upgrade the spitchboard and install RCDs in circuit breakers to 0:14:43.655 --> 0:14:48.535 detect the short. So maybe there is a way. Someone 0:14:48.575 --> 0:14:54.535 has come through and said suggesting a electrical inspector was 0:14:54.535 --> 0:15:00.695 a good idea. Hopefully that is the case. M Oh, 0:15:00.735 --> 0:15:07.455 that's a good one too. Someone else is suggesting can 0:15:07.495 --> 0:15:10.775 you pull wires through by attaching to the old ones? Yeah, 0:15:10.815 --> 0:15:13.135 but often they snag And I mean if you've ever 0:15:13.255 --> 0:15:17.535 pulled out old metal conduit from houses of that vintage, 0:15:17.975 --> 0:15:21.295 the inside diameter is probably about I don't know, twelve 0:15:21.335 --> 0:15:23.775 to fourteen millimeters, and if you look at a bit 0:15:23.815 --> 0:15:26.775 of well, if you have to draw through two point 0:15:26.815 --> 0:15:29.415 five tps, it's pretty hard and as soon as you 0:15:29.535 --> 0:15:33.055 hit a corner you're a bit snooker, to be fair. 0:15:33.175 --> 0:15:35.535 So thank you very much for those people who tax 0:15:35.655 --> 0:15:41.175 through their suggestions that it is a genuine challenge there 0:15:41.575 --> 0:15:44.455 Morning Peak We've got a nineteen sixties bathroom with a 0:15:44.535 --> 0:15:48.055 nineteen sixty house, small bathroom. Want to remove the dividing 0:15:48.215 --> 0:15:51.575 wall and then reclad can this be and then tile 0:15:51.695 --> 0:15:54.495 the walls and the floor. Once you start tiling and 0:15:54.535 --> 0:15:56.735 those sorts of things and pulling out an internal petition, 0:15:57.175 --> 0:16:00.255 I think typically that triggers a requirement for a building consent, 0:16:00.335 --> 0:16:02.495 and it'll always be one of those things where someone 0:16:02.575 --> 0:16:04.895 looks at it later on goes, oh, it used to 0:16:04.895 --> 0:16:07.335 be two rooms, now there's one. Did they get a 0:16:07.375 --> 0:16:09.975 building consent for that? And if you say that you didn't, 0:16:10.415 --> 0:16:14.935 then it can make getting a sale and purchased through 0:16:15.055 --> 0:16:17.575 a lot more difficult. We're back straight after New Sport 0:16:17.655 --> 0:16:19.295 and Weather Top of the Hour at. 0:16:19.095 --> 0:17:45.735 Seven us. 0:18:30.135 --> 0:21:02.855 Ut US. 0:26:00.695 --> 0:26:03.695 Alrightio, good morning, welcome back to the show. Just prior 0:26:03.775 --> 0:26:07.295 to the news, we were talking with Rachel about situation 0:26:07.375 --> 0:26:10.935 that she has uncovered, let's say, in her nineteen thirty 0:26:11.135 --> 0:26:14.655 two storied house, which is that the cabling that runs 0:26:14.695 --> 0:26:18.255 through the mid floor, so probably mainly for lighting circuits, 0:26:19.455 --> 0:26:23.855 is in the old it's basically the original wiring, right, 0:26:23.895 --> 0:26:26.895 so it'll be probably metal conduit or will be metal 0:26:26.935 --> 0:26:33.335 conduit with most likely a cloth coated or covered electrical wire, 0:26:33.375 --> 0:26:35.215 So you've got the copper wire and the inside and 0:26:35.255 --> 0:26:38.095 then like a cloth around the outside. That's how they 0:26:38.135 --> 0:26:43.935 made electrical cable in the nineteen thirties, and so there 0:26:44.015 --> 0:26:46.935 is significant concern around what happens when that shorts out 0:26:46.975 --> 0:26:49.015 and those sorts of things. So a number of very 0:26:49.015 --> 0:26:51.575 helpful I take it electricians of texts through and thank 0:26:51.655 --> 0:26:54.415 you for your text talking about this. In one of 0:26:54.455 --> 0:26:58.015 the suggestions, it's a big job to get access to 0:26:58.055 --> 0:27:00.495 all of that mid floor. Do you take the ceiling down, 0:27:00.535 --> 0:27:03.495 what's a beautiful decorative ceiling? Do you lift the floors? 0:27:03.655 --> 0:27:05.935 Their lovely tongue grew floors. How do you do that? 0:27:05.975 --> 0:27:08.375 In rear and stated and so on. So it's going 0:27:08.415 --> 0:27:13.655 to be a big job. And this is kind of 0:27:13.735 --> 0:27:16.735 unexpected and a little bit daunting for Rachel who's the 0:27:16.775 --> 0:27:19.135 owner of the property. And then some other people have 0:27:19.215 --> 0:27:22.495 taxed through and said, oh what about drawing through new 0:27:22.575 --> 0:27:27.415 cable through the existing conduit? And I was looking at it, 0:27:27.455 --> 0:27:29.775 going okay, well, if you go, you know, and you 0:27:29.815 --> 0:27:32.375 look at a piece of electrical cabling, now it'll often 0:27:32.455 --> 0:27:36.335 be the two or three copper wires or more each 0:27:36.375 --> 0:27:39.495 of them sheath and then in a coating around the outside. 0:27:39.495 --> 0:27:42.335 That's that white coating that goes around the outside, that's TPS. 0:27:43.695 --> 0:27:45.735 That's really hard to get through. But apparently you can 0:27:45.815 --> 0:27:48.615 get individual wires and try and drag them through the 0:27:48.695 --> 0:27:52.055 existing conduit. So there will be ways of doing it, 0:27:52.135 --> 0:27:54.815 but it is going to end up being I think 0:27:54.855 --> 0:27:58.815 a fairly significant undertaking and probably reasonably expensive, and if 0:27:58.815 --> 0:28:02.855 you're not expecting that, then that's a challenge to get 0:28:02.855 --> 0:28:05.575 your head around that. So yeah, there are options to 0:28:05.735 --> 0:28:10.015 pull through new PBC conduit wires. So it's like the 0:28:10.135 --> 0:28:14.415 individual strands within TPS. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten 0:28:14.535 --> 0:28:17.055 eighty is the number to call. Bear with me for 0:28:17.135 --> 0:28:20.535 just a second. So just to round off that story, 0:28:20.575 --> 0:28:23.535 I was telling you about sitting at home doing some invoices, 0:28:23.575 --> 0:28:27.655 doing some admin on Wednesday just for the midday news, 0:28:27.695 --> 0:28:31.055 listening to carriers I do most days, and there was 0:28:31.135 --> 0:28:34.575 lots of discussion. So out of a new government announcement 0:28:34.615 --> 0:28:39.855 talking about potentially upping the level of fines that could 0:28:39.895 --> 0:28:45.215 be imposed on LBPS for poor workmanship, right, you know, 0:28:45.295 --> 0:28:47.855 maybe for an individual up to fifty thousand dollars for 0:28:47.895 --> 0:28:50.175 a company up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, 0:28:51.215 --> 0:28:53.695 And so there was lots of discussion about lbps and 0:28:53.815 --> 0:28:56.575 how what it's like to get licensed, and who gets 0:28:56.655 --> 0:29:00.735 licensed and who controls it, and are there sufficient standards 0:29:00.735 --> 0:29:03.655 in place that we can feel confident that an LBP 0:29:03.895 --> 0:29:06.255 is going to be competent. If you are an lb 0:29:07.175 --> 0:29:10.015 are you competent? Can you? Can you as a consumer 0:29:10.095 --> 0:29:14.935 be confident? Anyway, there was a gentleman caller who was 0:29:14.975 --> 0:29:18.535 talking about having done their time back in the day, 0:29:18.615 --> 0:29:23.655 eight thousand hours, lots of experience, didn't think much. He said, look, 0:29:23.775 --> 0:29:26.535 I remember when the LBP thing came out. It's about 0:29:26.975 --> 0:29:30.135 ten fifteen years ago. There were guys who were bus 0:29:30.255 --> 0:29:32.815 drivers are going along and deciding that they wanted to 0:29:32.815 --> 0:29:35.495 be an LBP. You know, you just sign up and 0:29:35.575 --> 0:29:38.135 you become an LBP. I was listening to that thing. 0:29:38.215 --> 0:29:39.335 Yeah, not really. 0:29:39.975 --> 0:29:42.655 And then he went on to say, and that guy 0:29:42.895 --> 0:29:45.735 Pete wolf Camp on the radio on Sunday. He said 0:29:45.775 --> 0:29:48.855 he went and did a two week course at I 0:29:48.855 --> 0:29:52.015 don't know, UNI Tech or something like that and calls 0:29:52.055 --> 0:29:55.415 himself a builder. And I sat there and I listened 0:29:55.415 --> 0:29:57.415 to it, and I thought did I hear that correctly? 0:29:57.895 --> 0:30:01.655 And then I thought, am I a thin skinned person? 0:30:01.855 --> 0:30:04.815 Do I need to respond to that? And then I thought, yes, 0:30:05.135 --> 0:30:08.375 I do, I will respond to that. So I rang 0:30:08.455 --> 0:30:11.855 and Helen Carey's producer to be fear burst out laughing 0:30:11.855 --> 0:30:13.815 when she heard me phone through, and then she went, 0:30:13.855 --> 0:30:15.495 do you want to talk to carry? And I went, yeah, 0:30:15.535 --> 0:30:18.415 I think it might be a good idea. So just 0:30:18.735 --> 0:30:22.375 to be clear in case anyone had any doubts or 0:30:22.415 --> 0:30:27.055 this this particular gentleman still listening, I first started building 0:30:27.095 --> 0:30:32.335 a nine eighty seven. I did my formal qualification so 0:30:32.455 --> 0:30:37.855 New Zealand Trade Certificate and carpentry through UNI Turk sometime 0:30:37.935 --> 0:30:41.255 around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one. So by that time 0:30:41.335 --> 0:30:45.815 I had done and could prove four thousand hours of experience. 0:30:46.855 --> 0:30:51.655 So did four thousand hours, did night school effectively for 0:30:51.695 --> 0:30:55.135 a year, sat the exam past the exam, and that's 0:30:55.175 --> 0:30:59.615 how I got my New Zealand Trade certificate way back then. Then, 0:30:59.895 --> 0:31:02.335 over the years I've done a little bit more training, 0:31:02.415 --> 0:31:05.375 including New Zealand Green Building Council and but some pieces 0:31:06.775 --> 0:31:10.855 and have worked in the industry, not continuously over that time, 0:31:10.855 --> 0:31:15.935 but for a significant amount of time, and then I thought, Okay, 0:31:15.975 --> 0:31:19.535 so what's it like Because I was became a license 0:31:19.615 --> 0:31:24.135 building practitioner in twenty twelve, and so I thought, I 0:31:24.175 --> 0:31:26.775 wonder what it's like today, And so I went through 0:31:27.015 --> 0:31:32.775 and effectively applied again or went to the online portal 0:31:33.015 --> 0:31:36.455 to register to become an LBP. And you do need 0:31:36.495 --> 0:31:39.215 to prove learning. You do need to prove that you 0:31:39.375 --> 0:31:45.215 actually have a trade qualification in New Zealand to allow 0:31:45.295 --> 0:31:47.655 you to become an LBP. And I know a heap 0:31:47.695 --> 0:31:51.015 of guys who had tremendous amount of experience, you know, 0:31:51.015 --> 0:31:54.495 twenty thirty years on the tools, very good builders who 0:31:54.535 --> 0:31:59.895 had never had any formal qualification, and they really struggled 0:31:59.895 --> 0:32:03.455 to go through the LBP scheme back then. And I 0:32:03.495 --> 0:32:07.215 suspect that it's the same now. So anyway, just wrapping 0:32:07.215 --> 0:32:10.695 that up, yeah, I thought, ah no, I'm not gonna 0:32:11.175 --> 0:32:13.895 sit there and listen to that and have no response. 0:32:13.935 --> 0:32:16.535 So that was an exciting Wednesday. Oh wait, it's been 0:32:16.575 --> 0:32:18.935 an exciting week for a whole number of reasons. Anyway, 0:32:18.975 --> 0:32:21.335 we're into it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 0:32:21.375 --> 0:32:23.575 the number to call. Welcome along to the show. We're 0:32:23.615 --> 0:32:26.575 going to talk to Mike Olds shortly actually about LBP 0:32:26.815 --> 0:32:30.655 classes because again I think it's maybe a little bit 0:32:30.695 --> 0:32:33.175 more complex than most people understand in terms of LBPS, 0:32:33.215 --> 0:32:36.215 because we tend to talk about LBP builders quite a lot. 0:32:36.255 --> 0:32:40.695 But in fact there are seven licensing classes, including external plastering, 0:32:40.735 --> 0:32:43.935 and that's where Mike from Razine Construction Systems is an 0:32:44.015 --> 0:32:47.815 expert in that particular area. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten 0:32:47.855 --> 0:32:49.815 eighty is the number, Daryl, thanks for waiting. Good morning 0:32:49.815 --> 0:32:50.095 to you. 0:32:51.015 --> 0:32:55.255 Good morning, Peter. We're doing some renovations on our house 0:32:55.255 --> 0:32:59.335 and bring up some stray aboard and double glazing in 0:32:59.375 --> 0:33:02.855 the house. But it's what that comes along the change 0:33:02.895 --> 0:33:06.855 in color of the roof. We have a viral roof, 0:33:07.375 --> 0:33:10.855 and I'm just wondering if you've had any experience or 0:33:10.895 --> 0:33:17.495 have an opinion on liquid membrane coatings on on iron 0:33:17.615 --> 0:33:18.735 or tintile roofs. 0:33:19.935 --> 0:33:31.295 Yeah. Interesting, very interesting that you raise that. Yeah, it 0:33:32.015 --> 0:33:39.295 really is all about the preparation right so in because 0:33:39.455 --> 0:33:42.255 like if you is your roof at the moment. 0:33:42.495 --> 0:33:46.815 Leaking, it's it's got a couple of small legs, which 0:33:48.375 --> 0:33:53.015 you know obviously part of you know, any liquid membrane 0:33:53.095 --> 0:33:59.335 coating they would repair. The roof is also nailed, it's 0:33:59.455 --> 0:34:01.975 of the age its nails and the toiles are not screwed, 0:34:03.095 --> 0:34:07.975 so they would screw it as well. So yeah, just yeah, 0:34:08.175 --> 0:34:10.495 I just don't know anything about it. It's sort of 0:34:10.535 --> 0:34:11.175 quite new to me. 0:34:11.495 --> 0:34:14.455 And yeah, I've. 0:34:14.015 --> 0:34:17.895 Seen it, and I guess I've never had the opportunity 0:34:17.935 --> 0:34:21.815 to use it. I was involved in a serious discussions 0:34:21.855 --> 0:34:28.295 recently with some roofing contractors about exactly that system, and 0:34:28.335 --> 0:34:30.575 in the next week or so, I'm actually going out 0:34:30.575 --> 0:34:32.935 to have a look at a job that's been done 0:34:33.015 --> 0:34:35.895 with one of those types of systems, so i'll be 0:34:35.935 --> 0:34:39.615 a bit more informed then. Unfortunately, this was a job 0:34:39.655 --> 0:34:44.695 that's actually failed, right, But typically failure with coating systems 0:34:44.735 --> 0:34:48.255 tends to come down to preparation. So I think we've 0:34:48.255 --> 0:34:51.215 got to be realistic and go if someone rocks up 0:34:51.255 --> 0:34:53.415 at your place, looks at your roof and goes, oh, 0:34:53.455 --> 0:34:56.175 we can you know, spray a magic liquid over the 0:34:56.175 --> 0:35:00.015 top of that and it'll be tickety boo, then that's 0:35:00.215 --> 0:35:04.015 not going to work if they haven't done the preparation right. So, 0:35:05.175 --> 0:35:08.095 and I'm curiou about your comment about they will fix 0:35:08.215 --> 0:35:11.295 the leaks that are there, so they're not reliant on 0:35:11.375 --> 0:35:15.615 the coating to then repair the leak. So they're not 0:35:15.695 --> 0:35:17.295 just going to spray a membrane over the top and 0:35:17.335 --> 0:35:19.295 that's going to fix it. They're actually going to mechanically, 0:35:19.815 --> 0:35:23.535 you know, whether an under flashing or a repair to 0:35:23.695 --> 0:35:26.255 the leaks. And then I mean, I agree with them. 0:35:26.335 --> 0:35:28.575 If you're going to take out the nails and redo 0:35:28.615 --> 0:35:31.535 that with screws, you're going to have better fixing, which 0:35:31.575 --> 0:35:34.575 would be a good thing. And then yeah, I mean, 0:35:36.255 --> 0:35:38.615 you know, I have to say, I do quite I 0:35:38.695 --> 0:35:41.695 understand the appeal, and I quite I quite like the 0:35:41.695 --> 0:35:46.455 theory behind it, but it's it is always always going 0:35:46.495 --> 0:35:49.095 to be about the preparation. How thoroughly have they cleaned it, 0:35:49.215 --> 0:35:53.375 what's the let's say, the ch primer that they might 0:35:53.575 --> 0:35:56.495 use those sorts of things, that's going to be really important. 0:35:57.855 --> 0:35:59.935 A certainly they're advertising sort of in the case they 0:35:59.935 --> 0:36:00.775 do all that sort of stuff. 0:36:00.815 --> 0:36:05.575 So yeah, and then it becomes you know, I suppose look, 0:36:05.655 --> 0:36:07.815