Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
Speaker 1: from News talks'b.
Speaker 2: SO for the first time of my life on Wednesday
Speaker 2: iPhone talk Back. I'll tell you a bit more about
Speaker 2: that later on rachel A, very good morning, Thanks for waiting.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I think that's okay. Look, I've got a problem here.
Speaker 3: I've got an old house, about nineteen thirties forties I think,
Speaker 3: And I got an electrician around him to check the
Speaker 3: wiring because I was just wanted it all checked. A
Speaker 3: friend of mine has a wiring house anyway. He really
Speaker 3: frightened me. Oh co electrician, He really said, he found
Speaker 3: I've got what he said, the wiring. Someone was old.
Speaker 3: He said, found conduit cables presence on the lighting between floors,
Speaker 3: advised customer. And what does that mean? He said, I
Speaker 3: would get the lighting fixed. I'd have to remove the
Speaker 3: whole top floor and the carpet and everything out of
Speaker 3: the top floor to have the cables fixed. I mean,
Speaker 3: I really really was frightened. He said, how are you
Speaker 3: going to live here? I said, well until I die.
Speaker 3: He said, well, I wouldn't advise that. He said, I'd
Speaker 3: give you maybe one or two years. I mean so frightening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that he probably the electrician. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: by all accounts, get another electrician to come along. And
Speaker 2: this is the worst part of human nature is that,
Speaker 2: you know, what we hope hasn't happened, is that an
Speaker 2: electrician has come along and decided that they will put
Speaker 2: the fear of God into you basically about the state
Speaker 2: of your electrical wiring and get you to do work
Speaker 2: that's not necessary. Now, I think that's quite unlikely, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: They are professionals, right, There is genuine concern around that
Speaker 2: type of old electrical cabling.
Speaker 4: So if i'd you at cable, yeah, So typically.
Speaker 2: What they'll be describing is for the vintage of your house,
Speaker 2: there will be metal conduit that runs through the building.
Speaker 2: It'll run through the mid floor because your house is
Speaker 2: too story, it'll run down the wall, and then inside
Speaker 2: that the original electrical cabling. Now I'm a carpenter, I'm
Speaker 2: not an electrician, but I've worked on a number of
Speaker 2: old houses and I've spent a lot of time with
Speaker 2: my electrician looking at these sorts of things. So you'll
Speaker 2: have metal conduit inside that will be. It's often a
Speaker 2: cloth coated electrical cable right now, that phrase and deteriorates
Speaker 2: over time. We're talking if it's nineteen thirties, we're getting
Speaker 2: close to one hundred years old, right, And the concern
Speaker 2: is that as that phrase, it may cause a short
Speaker 2: and it will have a spark, and that spark could
Speaker 2: then cause a fire. And this is not uncommon and
Speaker 2: it's a genuine concern. So if what the electrician has
Speaker 2: found is that your live electrical cables us or your
Speaker 2: lights for example, are still turning on and turning off
Speaker 2: because they run through this old cable, there is a
Speaker 2: genuine concern there, and certainly when they encounter it as professionals,
Speaker 2: they have to advise that it should be removed. For example,
Speaker 2: if you buy a new house, or if you buy
Speaker 2: a house today and it's an older if it's anything
Speaker 2: pre nineteen forties, your insurer will ask you is there
Speaker 2: any old existing electrical cabling right or has the cabling
Speaker 2: been upgraded? Then we're onto the practical side of removing it.
Speaker 2: And in fact, one of the electricians that I work
Speaker 2: with number of years ago, I did exactly that for them.
Speaker 2: It was a renovation to a two storied house, probably
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. And I came along and the floors had
Speaker 2: been the carpet had been removed, or the floors were
Speaker 2: just stripped flooring, and he gave me an idea of
Speaker 2: where he needed to go, and I very carefully cut
Speaker 2: and removed the flooring so that he could get access
Speaker 2: to the mid floor. Because you've got two choices, right,
Speaker 2: One is to pull the ceiling down, which is a
Speaker 2: lot of work. The other is to make changes to
Speaker 2: the flooring, which is still quite a bit of work,
Speaker 2: but it's easier to repair. So I went through and
Speaker 2: I removed boards carefully. He then could strip out the
Speaker 2: old cable, or you don't even need to strip it out.
Speaker 2: You just need to deaden it, right, you need to
Speaker 2: deactivate it. Then he ran new electrical cable through, connected
Speaker 2: up all of the circuits again, and then I repaired
Speaker 2: all of the floorboards. But it's it is a time consuming,
Speaker 2: and time is money, and that's where it gets expensive
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 3: Huge He said, yeah, that's right, he said, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I've got really beautiful sculpted ceilings. He said, you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You don't want to pull those down. So he's right there.
Speaker 3: He said, I have to the whole top floor, everything
Speaker 3: I've got on the top floor, rip up the carpet,
Speaker 3: get a carpenter. And I mean, this is a company
Speaker 3: I've used for years. I don't doubt you know that
Speaker 3: their veracity. But it's just absolutely terrifying it. I have
Speaker 3: no idea. I don't know what shall I do, well,
Speaker 3: what will I do? Reduce to get the conduit cables
Speaker 3: you know, removed or what I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: what to do.
Speaker 2: You don't necessarily need to remove them. But the concern
Speaker 2: is if you've got electric, you know, electricity flowing through
Speaker 2: these old cables inside the conduit. The conduit obviously it's
Speaker 2: metal right now. What happens there is if you get
Speaker 2: electrical contact with the metal, the metal will become live, right,
Speaker 2: and you have potential for electrocution. In some cases, you
Speaker 2: certainly have potential for fires to start from freyed cabling.
Speaker 2: And that's the concern. And unfortunately, there's no other way
Speaker 2: to look at it than to go Actually, experience teaches
Speaker 2: us this is a genuine concern. There is some risk
Speaker 2: involved in leaving it. It's not inevitable that either an
Speaker 2: electrical fault will occur or a fire will start. But
Speaker 2: it is a genuine risk. It is the reason that
Speaker 2: we go through and replace old cabling like that.
Speaker 3: So is that what I've got to do? Replace the
Speaker 3: old cabling?
Speaker 2: I think that Let's say, you know, if you've used
Speaker 2: the electrician for years, they're not there to you know,
Speaker 2: make work where there isn't work if you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I don't think that. He checked the
Speaker 3: rest of the he said he checked wearing in the house,
Speaker 3: including switchboard sockets, and like, yeah, found conduit cables. Is
Speaker 3: that the problem? The conduit cables? But I mean, I
Speaker 3: just can't consider doing that. I know, I had the
Speaker 3: whole top floor removed, and you know, I don't There
Speaker 3: must be something, surely something else I could do.
Speaker 2: Sometimes there just isn't. That that's the really hard thing, right,
Speaker 2: So if I mean there might be some creative ways
Speaker 2: to solve the problem.
Speaker 3: I thought i'd did what i'd do. I interrupt, You
Speaker 3: get another opinion. Also, I'm not going to live in fear,
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to do it once I can't
Speaker 3: afford it to do the whole house, and I'm just
Speaker 3: not going to do it. You know, I just feel
Speaker 3: as if I just don't want to do anything. It came.
Speaker 3: This became completely out of the blue. I had no idea,
Speaker 3: So I think I'll get it setind opinion. Do you
Speaker 3: say that's a good idea?
Speaker 2: Yes, But I suspect given you know, if you said
Speaker 2: to me, I got an electrician in who I don't know,
Speaker 2: and I've never met them before, and I don't know
Speaker 2: anything about their background, and they've told me there's a
Speaker 2: part of me that would be suspicious. But what you're
Speaker 2: telling me is this is electrician that you've built up
Speaker 2: a working relationship with over a number of.
Speaker 3: Years the company.
Speaker 2: You have no reason to distrust them, right.
Speaker 3: Don't distrust them.
Speaker 2: So in that sense, I think, yes, get another opinion,
Speaker 2: and look what might be possible. I guess I'd like
Speaker 2: to think of myself as pragmatic. So if I was
Speaker 2: in your situation, well, let's be blunt. If you were
Speaker 2: my mum, right, you know what I mean, I'd say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. So what can we do to reduce
Speaker 2: the risk. And what we might end up doing is
Speaker 2: disconnecting those circuits and you have a light in the
Speaker 2: middle of the room. Maybe we'll just run some conduit,
Speaker 2: some trunking across the ceiling and give you a light
Speaker 2: that's safe, and then someone else will fix the big problem.
Speaker 2: And the fact that it hasn't been fixed is also
Speaker 2: not that surprising because it often that type of task
Speaker 2: goes into the too hard basket, or we do it
Speaker 2: when we're doing an extensive renovation in the house. You know,
Speaker 2: we might be adding on or we might be pulling
Speaker 2: up flaws or whatever, and you do it then just
Speaker 2: doing it and not doing anything else as part of
Speaker 2: a renovation. I'm not surprised that it's been left in
Speaker 2: the two hard basket.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I don't use that light. He found crackling in
Speaker 3: the light switch in the bedroom. But I don't use
Speaker 3: that light anyway. So that would minimize a risk, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: It would, But I mean, you know, it would be
Speaker 2: unwise of me to advise you just to well, just
Speaker 2: don't use the light, because you know, it probably is
Speaker 2: indicative that other things are happening inside the house that
Speaker 2: you may not be as aware of. So the other
Speaker 2: thing to do is, if you want to, you can
Speaker 2: get so. Electricians obviously are registered. There are also registered
Speaker 2: electrical inspectors who will be perhaps a little more independent
Speaker 2: and if you want and typically it's another layer of qualification.
Speaker 2: So if you want it to have someone inspect the property,
Speaker 2: look for a registered electrical inspector and ask them to
Speaker 2: come out and have a look at it.
Speaker 3: How do I get registered electrical inspector?
Speaker 2: Just do a Google search for electrical inspectors in your
Speaker 2: area and names will come up. Whereabouts in the country
Speaker 2: are you, Rachel.
Speaker 3: I'm an Auckland okay.
Speaker 2: Um, look offut I'm more than happy to recommend someone.
Speaker 2: So if you would like me to give you a number,
Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to do that. Just stay on
Speaker 2: the line and I'll get Isiah to take your number.
Speaker 2: I unfortunately, Rachel, I think it is going to be
Speaker 2: a big job and someone's going to have to do it,
Speaker 2: whether that's you're the next owner, but someone's going to
Speaker 2: have to fix it. It is six fifty one. We
Speaker 2: will talk to Daryl in just a moment.
Speaker 6: Ut U.
Speaker 2: F you and news talk zaid be oh eight one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call now.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I haven't ah text messages. I knew
Speaker 2: that there was something missing in my life this morning.
Speaker 2: I had something covering that. Pete. I'm an electrician too.
Speaker 2: The metal conduit is usually well earthed, so if a
Speaker 2: short should it should blow the fuse. In the past,
Speaker 2: I've drawn new conduit wire through the existing old conduits
Speaker 2: to get rid of the cloth insulated cables. You can
Speaker 2: upgrade the spitchboard and install RCDs in circuit breakers to
Speaker 2: detect the short. So maybe there is a way. Someone
Speaker 2: has come through and said suggesting a electrical inspector was
Speaker 2: a good idea. Hopefully that is the case. M Oh,
Speaker 2: that's a good one too. Someone else is suggesting can
Speaker 2: you pull wires through by attaching to the old ones? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but often they snag And I mean if you've ever
Speaker 2: pulled out old metal conduit from houses of that vintage,
Speaker 2: the inside diameter is probably about I don't know, twelve
Speaker 2: to fourteen millimeters, and if you look at a bit
Speaker 2: of well, if you have to draw through two point
Speaker 2: five tps, it's pretty hard and as soon as you
Speaker 2: hit a corner you're a bit snooker, to be fair.
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for those people who tax
Speaker 2: through their suggestions that it is a genuine challenge there
Speaker 2: Morning Peak We've got a nineteen sixties bathroom with a
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty house, small bathroom. Want to remove the dividing
Speaker 2: wall and then reclad can this be and then tile
Speaker 2: the walls and the floor. Once you start tiling and
Speaker 2: those sorts of things and pulling out an internal petition,
Speaker 2: I think typically that triggers a requirement for a building consent,
Speaker 2: and it'll always be one of those things where someone
Speaker 2: looks at it later on goes, oh, it used to
Speaker 2: be two rooms, now there's one. Did they get a
Speaker 2: building consent for that? And if you say that you didn't,
Speaker 2: then it can make getting a sale and purchased through
Speaker 2: a lot more difficult. We're back straight after New Sport
Speaker 2: and Weather Top of the Hour at.
Speaker 7: Seven us.
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Speaker 2: Alrightio, good morning, welcome back to the show. Just prior
Speaker 2: to the news, we were talking with Rachel about situation
Speaker 2: that she has uncovered, let's say, in her nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: two storied house, which is that the cabling that runs
Speaker 2: through the mid floor, so probably mainly for lighting circuits,
Speaker 2: is in the old it's basically the original wiring, right,
Speaker 2: so it'll be probably metal conduit or will be metal
Speaker 2: conduit with most likely a cloth coated or covered electrical wire,
Speaker 2: So you've got the copper wire and the inside and
Speaker 2: then like a cloth around the outside. That's how they
Speaker 2: made electrical cable in the nineteen thirties, and so there
Speaker 2: is significant concern around what happens when that shorts out
Speaker 2: and those sorts of things. So a number of very
Speaker 2: helpful I take it electricians of texts through and thank
Speaker 2: you for your text talking about this. In one of
Speaker 2: the suggestions, it's a big job to get access to
Speaker 2: all of that mid floor. Do you take the ceiling down,
Speaker 2: what's a beautiful decorative ceiling? Do you lift the floors?
Speaker 2: Their lovely tongue grew floors. How do you do that?
Speaker 2: In rear and stated and so on. So it's going
Speaker 2: to be a big job. And this is kind of
Speaker 2: unexpected and a little bit daunting for Rachel who's the
Speaker 2: owner of the property. And then some other people have
Speaker 2: taxed through and said, oh what about drawing through new
Speaker 2: cable through the existing conduit? And I was looking at it,
Speaker 2: going okay, well, if you go, you know, and you
Speaker 2: look at a piece of electrical cabling, now it'll often
Speaker 2: be the two or three copper wires or more each
Speaker 2: of them sheath and then in a coating around the outside.
Speaker 2: That's that white coating that goes around the outside, that's TPS.
Speaker 2: That's really hard to get through. But apparently you can
Speaker 2: get individual wires and try and drag them through the
Speaker 2: existing conduit. So there will be ways of doing it,
Speaker 2: but it is going to end up being I think
Speaker 2: a fairly significant undertaking and probably reasonably expensive, and if
Speaker 2: you're not expecting that, then that's a challenge to get
Speaker 2: your head around that. So yeah, there are options to
Speaker 2: pull through new PBC conduit wires. So it's like the
Speaker 2: individual strands within TPS. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call. Bear with me for
Speaker 2: just a second. So just to round off that story,
Speaker 2: I was telling you about sitting at home doing some invoices,
Speaker 2: doing some admin on Wednesday just for the midday news,
Speaker 2: listening to carriers I do most days, and there was
Speaker 2: lots of discussion. So out of a new government announcement
Speaker 2: talking about potentially upping the level of fines that could
Speaker 2: be imposed on LBPS for poor workmanship, right, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe for an individual up to fifty thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: a company up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: And so there was lots of discussion about lbps and
Speaker 2: how what it's like to get licensed, and who gets
Speaker 2: licensed and who controls it, and are there sufficient standards
Speaker 2: in place that we can feel confident that an LBP
Speaker 2: is going to be competent. If you are an lb
Speaker 2: are you competent? Can you? Can you as a consumer
Speaker 2: be confident? Anyway, there was a gentleman caller who was
Speaker 2: talking about having done their time back in the day,
Speaker 2: eight thousand hours, lots of experience, didn't think much. He said, look,
Speaker 2: I remember when the LBP thing came out. It's about
Speaker 2: ten fifteen years ago. There were guys who were bus
Speaker 2: drivers are going along and deciding that they wanted to
Speaker 2: be an LBP. You know, you just sign up and
Speaker 2: you become an LBP. I was listening to that thing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, not really.
Speaker 2: And then he went on to say, and that guy
Speaker 2: Pete wolf Camp on the radio on Sunday. He said
Speaker 2: he went and did a two week course at I
Speaker 2: don't know, UNI Tech or something like that and calls
Speaker 2: himself a builder. And I sat there and I listened
Speaker 2: to it, and I thought did I hear that correctly?
Speaker 2: And then I thought, am I a thin skinned person?
Speaker 2: Do I need to respond to that? And then I thought, yes,
Speaker 2: I do, I will respond to that. So I rang
Speaker 2: and Helen Carey's producer to be fear burst out laughing
Speaker 2: when she heard me phone through, and then she went,
Speaker 2: do you want to talk to carry? And I went, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it might be a good idea. So just
Speaker 2: to be clear in case anyone had any doubts or
Speaker 2: this this particular gentleman still listening, I first started building
Speaker 2: a nine eighty seven. I did my formal qualification so
Speaker 2: New Zealand Trade Certificate and carpentry through UNI Turk sometime
Speaker 2: around nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one. So by that time
Speaker 2: I had done and could prove four thousand hours of experience.
Speaker 2: So did four thousand hours, did night school effectively for
Speaker 2: a year, sat the exam past the exam, and that's
Speaker 2: how I got my New Zealand Trade certificate way back then. Then,
Speaker 2: over the years I've done a little bit more training,
Speaker 2: including New Zealand Green Building Council and but some pieces
Speaker 2: and have worked in the industry, not continuously over that time,
Speaker 2: but for a significant amount of time, and then I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: so what's it like Because I was became a license
Speaker 2: building practitioner in twenty twelve, and so I thought, I
Speaker 2: wonder what it's like today, And so I went through
Speaker 2: and effectively applied again or went to the online portal
Speaker 2: to register to become an LBP. And you do need
Speaker 2: to prove learning. You do need to prove that you
Speaker 2: actually have a trade qualification in New Zealand to allow
Speaker 2: you to become an LBP. And I know a heap
Speaker 2: of guys who had tremendous amount of experience, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty thirty years on the tools, very good builders who
Speaker 2: had never had any formal qualification, and they really struggled
Speaker 2: to go through the LBP scheme back then. And I
Speaker 2: suspect that it's the same now. So anyway, just wrapping
Speaker 2: that up, yeah, I thought, ah no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: sit there and listen to that and have no response.
Speaker 2: So that was an exciting Wednesday. Oh wait, it's been
Speaker 2: an exciting week for a whole number of reasons. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're into it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 2: the number to call. Welcome along to the show. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk to Mike Olds shortly actually about LBP
Speaker 2: classes because again I think it's maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: more complex than most people understand in terms of LBPS,
Speaker 2: because we tend to talk about LBP builders quite a lot.
Speaker 2: But in fact there are seven licensing classes, including external plastering,
Speaker 2: and that's where Mike from Razine Construction Systems is an
Speaker 2: expert in that particular area. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 2: eighty is the number, Daryl, thanks for waiting. Good morning
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 10: Good morning, Peter. We're doing some renovations on our house
Speaker 10: and bring up some stray aboard and double glazing in
Speaker 10: the house. But it's what that comes along the change
Speaker 10: in color of the roof. We have a viral roof,
Speaker 10: and I'm just wondering if you've had any experience or
Speaker 10: have an opinion on liquid membrane coatings on on iron
Speaker 10: or tintile roofs.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, very interesting that you raise that. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: really is all about the preparation right so in because
Speaker 2: like if you is your roof at the moment.
Speaker 10: Leaking, it's it's got a couple of small legs, which
Speaker 10: you know obviously part of you know, any liquid membrane
Speaker 10: coating they would repair. The roof is also nailed, it's
Speaker 10: of the age its nails and the toiles are not screwed,
Speaker 10: so they would screw it as well. So yeah, just yeah,
Speaker 10: I just don't know anything about it. It's sort of
Speaker 10: quite new to me.
Speaker 11: And yeah, I've.
Speaker 2: Seen it, and I guess I've never had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to use it. I was involved in a serious discussions
Speaker 2: recently with some roofing contractors about exactly that system, and
Speaker 2: in the next week or so, I'm actually going out
Speaker 2: to have a look at a job that's been done
Speaker 2: with one of those types of systems, so i'll be
Speaker 2: a bit more informed then. Unfortunately, this was a job
Speaker 2: that's actually failed, right, But typically failure with coating systems
Speaker 2: tends to come down to preparation. So I think we've
Speaker 2: got to be realistic and go if someone rocks up
Speaker 2: at your place, looks at your roof and goes, oh,
Speaker 2: we can you know, spray a magic liquid over the
Speaker 2: top of that and it'll be tickety boo, then that's
Speaker 2: not going to work if they haven't done the preparation right. So,
Speaker 2: and I'm curiou about your comment about they will fix
Speaker 2: the leaks that are there, so they're not reliant on
Speaker 2: the coating to then repair the leak. So they're not
Speaker 2: just going to spray a membrane over the top and
Speaker 2: that's going to fix it. They're actually going to mechanically,
Speaker 2: you know, whether an under flashing or a repair to
Speaker 2: the leaks. And then I mean, I agree with them.
Speaker 2: If you're going to take out the nails and redo
Speaker 2: that with screws, you're going to have better fixing, which
Speaker 2: would be a good thing. And then yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I have to say, I do quite I
Speaker 2: understand the appeal, and I quite I quite like the
Speaker 2: theory behind it, but it's it is always always going
Speaker 2: to be about the preparation. How thoroughly have they cleaned it,
Speaker 2: what's the let's say, the ch primer that they might
Speaker 2: use those sorts of things, that's going to be really important.
Speaker 10: A certainly they're advertising sort of in the case they
Speaker 10: do all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then it becomes you know, I suppose look,
Speaker 2: keeping it aloe you would it with any contractor you
Speaker 2: keep an eye on it, or you have someone else
Speaker 2: come and inspect the work to determine whether or not
Speaker 2: it's done as per the instructions and the warranty documents
Speaker 2: and those sorts of things. So yeah, look, it's worth investigating,
Speaker 2: but it's also worth making sure that people.
Speaker 12: Do it right.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, all the best here, all right, you take care.
Speaker 2: Say there, who can get the fifty thousand dollar fine?
Speaker 2: Was it the LVP? Yeah, well that's what's being proposed.
Speaker 2: So the other thing that I think it's worth mentioning
Speaker 2: is that at the moment, government, through the various ministers
Speaker 2: and so on, are talking a lot about changes, and
Speaker 2: what seems to have happened is that people are now, like,
Speaker 2: for example, with the sixty square meter building that might
Speaker 2: be able to be done without necessarily requiring a building,
Speaker 2: can sen etctera, et cetera. People are some people, not everyone,
Speaker 2: but some people are going it's already there, right, it's
Speaker 2: already law. Let's get started. It's not the case.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 2: A lot of these things are up for discussion in
Speaker 2: the same way that potentially extending the fines for poor
Speaker 2: and incompetent or you know, work without due care and
Speaker 2: diligence would be increased, maybe up to fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for an individual one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for companies.
Speaker 2: The hard thing is, and if you read any of
Speaker 2: the determinations, either through the open Justice page on the
Speaker 2: Herald website and that sort of thing, finds will be issued.
Speaker 2: But do people ever actually get paid or do people
Speaker 2: pay their fines? That's a really hard thing. Oh, eight
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We will keep talking
Speaker 2: all things building in construction. But given that lbps have
Speaker 2: been in the news so much in the last week,
Speaker 2: including myself, I thought it would be a good chance
Speaker 2: to catch up with Mike Olds, who's a regular contributed
Speaker 2: to the show. Micers from Razine Construction Systems who are
Speaker 2: specialists obviously in exterior cladding. It's one of their specialties. Mike,
Speaker 2: A very good morning.
Speaker 13: To you, Mining Teak.
Speaker 6: Hey.
Speaker 2: Lbp's have been in the news quite a bit, and
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when we in terms of the general public,
Speaker 2: when we talk about LBPS, we do tend to focus
Speaker 2: just on building, but in fact there's seven specific license classes,
Speaker 2: including external plastering.
Speaker 13: Yeah. Correct, And I was listening to the show last week,
Speaker 13: and obviously WESPO spoke about earlier. Was the whole focus
Speaker 13: seemed to be around the builders a major part obviously
Speaker 13: in the buil environment. However, there are as you stated,
Speaker 13: seven licensed classes total, and they all have varying degrees
Speaker 13: of skills replied obviously prick and block playing, your rousing,
Speaker 13: your design even down of the foundations. You know, in
Speaker 13: another critical areas, particularly around the envelope and the structure,
Speaker 13: the generally the dominant licensed classes. So when we're talking
Speaker 13: about issues and things like that that we're getting raised
Speaker 13: last week in terms of competencies of and it was
Speaker 13: real focus on the builders, and I was like, well,
Speaker 13: there's all these other professional LBP trades that connect and
Speaker 13: work with builders to complete these projects, you know, so
Speaker 13: there's there's multiple points or multiple touch points to get
Speaker 13: something right. And we looked at it many many years ago,
Speaker 13: and there was In plastering, for example, we have two
Speaker 13: strands and one is the traditional sil of plastering strand
Speaker 13: and then there is the proprietary plaster strand. So the
Speaker 13: proprietary plaster strand is the latest, I suppose, with the
Speaker 13: new technologies and systems over the last twenty five thirty years,
Speaker 13: where the contractors literally supply and install the substrates and
Speaker 13: the flashing suites and then do their their liquid applied
Speaker 13: plastering the to the projects. Whereas back in the day
Speaker 13: the builder was heavily involved with, for example, stucco, they
Speaker 13: would supply the substrate and do all the flashing work
Speaker 13: and things like that, and then equally, even with the
Speaker 13: solid back in the day solid rendering, you would have
Speaker 13: a contractor to do the plastering and then it was
Speaker 13: up to the painter that he was coming through to
Speaker 13: finish the plastering work, to do the ceiling and things
Speaker 13: like that openings and penetrations, whereas nowadays we tried to
Speaker 13: isolate it and make it to a point where one
Speaker 13: contractor is competent and responsible to do the supply and
Speaker 13: install of the flashing, the substrate, the coating systems, etc.
Speaker 13: So you only had one touch point, so to speak,
Speaker 13: in terms of responsibility and warranties and things like that
Speaker 13: from a singular supplier such as ourselves. So it really
Speaker 13: clearly defines where the level of where the responsibilities lay,
Speaker 13: and that happens with a number of other trades as well.
Speaker 13: So you'll have a roofer, for example, it will use
Speaker 13: a specific roofing product and they will align with a
Speaker 13: particular supplier who they know and trust that will provide
Speaker 13: the detailing, the technical support to ensure that the end
Speaker 13: result when they get their trade right, will perform, you know.
Speaker 2: So, and I think that's where, particularly with the resink
Speaker 2: construction system systems, is that you are getting like all
Speaker 2: of the contractors are LBPS, aren't they?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't sell out the door
Speaker 13: if you want to. If you want something that's a
Speaker 13: restricted restricted applied product or restrict restricted under the Building Act, yes,
Speaker 13: and it requires LBP installation, that's what you're going to get,
Speaker 13: you know. So everyone everyone listed on our website registered
Speaker 13: LBP contractors who then have have staff and employees are
Speaker 13: competent on site to do certain aspects of that particular
Speaker 13: trade and installation and they oversee that and sign that
Speaker 13: sign that off.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think to the other key point we're
Speaker 2: talking about here is that connection between different trades that
Speaker 2: that you know, inevitably when we see failure, often it
Speaker 2: stems from that disconnect between different trades working in together
Speaker 2: to ensure that the envelope is complete.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 2: If we're talking weather tightness, right, you know, if the
Speaker 2: chippy's not talking to the roof, and the roof is
Speaker 2: not talking to the cladding guy or that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: then you tend to get this disconnect and sometimes failure
Speaker 2: results from that. So I guess the beauty of particularly
Speaker 2: your system is from the wrap out to finished product,
Speaker 2: it's all us, right, We're all linked.
Speaker 13: Together, flashing, ground windows, everything, and on top of that,
Speaker 13: and we introduced this a number year ago, and it's
Speaker 13: a full quite assurance program whereby we review the projects
Speaker 13: that our product is supplied and installed to, and in
Speaker 13: particular two story projects, whereby we review the roof connections
Speaker 13: so to ensure that the diverter flashings from the aprons
Speaker 13: are installed correctly and divert through the cladding line, not
Speaker 13: diverting straight and behind the clouding.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 13: So there's lot and around joordinery installs and lots of
Speaker 13: things that we just do checks and balances on that
Speaker 13: are really just risk details. You generally don't have an
Speaker 13: issue in the middle of a wall without an open
Speaker 13: you know, or even if there is these days, you don't.
Speaker 13: But what I'm saying is that when we look at
Speaker 13: these trade coordination issues, they've always been critically important and
Speaker 13: with the reduced level of project management. So if the
Speaker 13: homeowner or the contracting company hasn't engaged a project manager
Speaker 13: to manage those trade relationships, and you generally find it
Speaker 13: the biggest cities speak more of an issue because if
Speaker 13: you're in the smaller regions, you generally know all the trainees,
Speaker 13: so you all know each other and you know what
Speaker 13: jobs are coming up and you can have a chimney
Speaker 13: about this or that or you know, because people are
Speaker 13: very reluctant generally to come back, particularly in a bigger city,
Speaker 13: because they say that's how I've done it, and that's
Speaker 13: always the way it will be, and they're very lucky
Speaker 13: to come back and tidy something up if it hasn't
Speaker 13: been done correctly. So we're just to checks and balances
Speaker 13: at a very early stage in the process so that
Speaker 13: it can be adjusted as required to ensure that there's
Speaker 13: not going to be an issue down the track. And
Speaker 13: I suppose the testament to that in terms of the
Speaker 13: callbacks is very very low in terms of product project installations,
Speaker 13: and it's directly important for surely for the clients when
Speaker 13: they make your decision for their their largest investment.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, absolutely, mate, I know you've got a
Speaker 2: flight to catch, so really appreciate the insight into that
Speaker 2: part of what's a really critical part of our building envelope.
Speaker 13: Yeah, thank you very You might take in.
Speaker 2: All this, Bob. That's my calls from Razine Construction Systems.
Speaker 2: If you want to know more, Razine Construction dot co
Speaker 2: dot nz. There's great information on the website about how
Speaker 2: the systems all go together and also some inspiration as well.
Speaker 2: If you want to see something that is amazing, check
Speaker 2: it out Razine Construction dot co dot z. We were talking.
Speaker 2: So just just to clarify as well. So within the
Speaker 2: LBP license scheme at the moment as it is, there
Speaker 2: are license classes for brick and block laying, there is
Speaker 2: license classes for carpentry, there's license for design, there's license
Speaker 2: for external plastering, there's license for foundations, there's license for roofing,
Speaker 2: for site, and then there's another one called all which
Speaker 2: is an interesting one. But essentially there are involved in
Speaker 2: the construction and design. There are seven license classes and
Speaker 2: then within that there are some specific details as well
Speaker 2: in terms of design one, two, and three. So depending
Speaker 2: on the size and scope of the building site one,
Speaker 2: two and three, there's only one carpentry license. And I
Speaker 2: think this is if I was going to suggest to
Speaker 2: the who administer this that we could look at doing
Speaker 2: would be to increase the number of carpentry licenses that
Speaker 2: in particular, if we're talking about remote inspections, which has
Speaker 2: been discussed a lot over the last couple of months,
Speaker 2: you know, there is some concern around how much do
Speaker 2: you see on a remote inspection, right and how do
Speaker 2: you know that the person who's guiding you around is
Speaker 2: not deliberately showing you or not showing you things that
Speaker 2: as an inspector you might pick up if you go
Speaker 2: on to site. So I wonder whether within the carpentry
Speaker 2: license they can start to expand that out and have
Speaker 2: carpentry one, two, and three reflect and the number would
Speaker 2: reflect either your competency, your experience, and that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: and that not every LBP has the right to have
Speaker 2: remote inspections, that you have to prove your experience and
Speaker 2: competency to have remote inspections. I think they're a great idea.
Speaker 2: I've done them in the past or had been involved
Speaker 2: in the process. But I can also understand why some
Speaker 2: people are looking at the industry going actually, this might
Speaker 2: not be the best thing for the sector if we
Speaker 2: end up all doing remote inspections. Oh eight hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is
Speaker 2: seven twenty seven SA. I'm just thinking too when we
Speaker 2: were talking with Mike from Razine Construction Systems, which is
Speaker 2: part of the Razine Group obviously Razine or also if
Speaker 2: you got it this morning, you either stayed up and
Speaker 2: watched the America's Cup so Team New Zealand against Aenios.
Speaker 2: The first two races were held this morning and it's
Speaker 2: turning up for Emirates Team New Zealand, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: And if you wonder how those boats go as fast
Speaker 2: as they go, well just a small part of it
Speaker 2: is probably the coatings which are actually razine coatings on
Speaker 2: the underside of the boat or the exterior of the boat.
Speaker 2: So remarkable technology and development involved, as you can imagine,
Speaker 2: in making a pain that or a coating system that
Speaker 2: will resist and withstand the enormous pressures the speed the
Speaker 2: boat is going, et cetera, et cetera. So there's some
Speaker 2: fantastic technology New Zealand technology you know, involved in the
Speaker 2: America's Cup boats, certainly with Emirates team New Zealand and
Speaker 2: as it happens. To celebrate this, I am doing a
Speaker 2: little giveaway on my via my Facebook page. So if
Speaker 2: you have a look on my Facebook page, there's a
Speaker 2: couple of questions about the America's Cup boats and about
Speaker 2: Razine their involvement with it in terms of the coatings.
Speaker 2: And the prize is a Lego model of Emirates Team
Speaker 2: New Zealand's boat. So I've got three of those to
Speaker 2: give away. You just have to jump on the old
Speaker 2: Razine the resident, build a Facebook page and you'll find
Speaker 2: the information there. Go into the drawer. You have to
Speaker 2: answer three questions, but it's worth it. I've actually seen
Speaker 2: the Lego kit. It is amazing to be fair. So
Speaker 2: if you want to go on the drawer for that,
Speaker 2: check out my Facebook page. Resion't Builder. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Andrew
Speaker 2: a very good morning.
Speaker 14: Good morning. Yeah can you hear me?
Speaker 2: I can?
Speaker 14: Yes. Just a minor question. I had a roof leak.
Speaker 14: I found the tile, the offending tile. Now the roof
Speaker 14: was under warranty. It's I am allowed to say the
Speaker 14: name of the company or not.
Speaker 2: Ah, probably not necessary, but i'll see. If they were great, yes,
Speaker 2: if they weren't, maybe not. So tell me what happened next.
Speaker 14: Well, I ranged them up, and I said, I've got
Speaker 14: a leak because it came. It came through the ceiling. Yes,
Speaker 14: and I got I actually got a plumber out because
Speaker 14: I thought it was a pipe or something. So they
Speaker 14: cut the big hole.
Speaker 15: Oh yes, and.
Speaker 14: We were well, actually I actually rang rang them up.
Speaker 14: We could see we'd actually put the hose on the top.
Speaker 14: We could see it was coming through. It was the
Speaker 14: porous tile. It was coming through the tile quite quite steadily.
Speaker 14: So so what I rang up?
Speaker 2: What type of roof is your roof?
Speaker 4: The tile?
Speaker 2: So concrete tile, concrete tile.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So so I rang the company up. I won't
Speaker 14: mention the name. They They sent one of their guys
Speaker 14: round and they took they took the offending tile away,
Speaker 14: and the tower they bought was a slightly different color color.
Speaker 14: They took one which you couldn't see around the back
Speaker 14: and put that there. It was highly visible. And then
Speaker 14: they did a swap. But they didn't offer to pay
Speaker 14: for the work to Yeah, good back. Yeah, now I
Speaker 14: thought they should do you think they should have paid
Speaker 14: for that as well, or just they just guarantee the title,
Speaker 14: they don't pay for the damage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is go.
Speaker 14: Through the insurance company because it was hundred thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can. Given that they didn't cut a
Speaker 2: hole in the ceiling to find the leak, they would
Speaker 2: probably argue you didn't need to cut a hole in
Speaker 2: the ceiling to find the leak, right, we would if
Speaker 2: you had a contradicted us first, we would have found it.
Speaker 2: That would be their argument. And I think there's something
Speaker 2: more about damages and pieces. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you know, I suppose for their reputation, if they had
Speaker 2: to said to you, look, you know, give us your
Speaker 2: bank account and we'll put five hundred bucks in or
Speaker 2: something like that, you would probably feel a lot better
Speaker 2: about it as well. I have to say it is
Speaker 2: extremely unusual for a an individual tile to leak like Seriously,
Speaker 2: I've to be fear I've never actually heard of it before.
Speaker 14: Well I saw it with my very own eyes and
Speaker 14: I could see it slipping through, you know. And and
Speaker 14: what what I've done since, because I actually bought the
Speaker 14: house of a friend of mine and he showed some
Speaker 14: concerns he's a friend to what he did, because it's
Speaker 14: like a roof on another roof. And what he did
Speaker 14: that the top past of the roof has got a
Speaker 14: gutter to What he did he where the where the
Speaker 14: pipe goes down that the rain would run in a
Speaker 14: straight line over the bottom part of the roof to
Speaker 14: the next guttering. What he did he put he put
Speaker 14: a hose pipe on where the drain is was so
Speaker 14: instead of the water running physically over the world, it
Speaker 14: went through the pipe to the lower part of the guttering.
Speaker 2: It's not you're not painting a particularly pretty picture.
Speaker 14: I have to say no, But I'm just saying what
Speaker 14: the facts are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I just it all
Speaker 2: sounds a bit hokey. I'm intrigued about the warranty. So
Speaker 2: when was the roof installed.
Speaker 14: It was two thousand and so it's a bird new
Speaker 14: house and it happened about five years ago. Okay, So,
Speaker 14: but they gave a fifty year warranty on the certificate.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that's awesome. Hey, look, I'm pleased that sorted.
Speaker 2: I think you've got very little chance of getting any
Speaker 2: money out of them for damages. It'll just be one
Speaker 2: of those things'll it'll take more time and energy than
Speaker 2: it's worth by the sound of it. But I can
Speaker 2: also understand your frustration. Appreciate the call.
Speaker 1: Andrew.
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 2: to call. We'll take short break. We'll talk to Jack
Speaker 2: in just a moment.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 2: Fantastic text from Nick regarding remote inspections. You start now
Speaker 2: and you create a register. Every time an LBP has
Speaker 2: an inspection, you receive a rating depending on how much
Speaker 2: or what you might fail on say a five star system.
Speaker 2: A one star rated LBP still has to have on
Speaker 2: side inspections, whereas a five star LBP will be able
Speaker 2: to do remote inspections with a random on side inspection
Speaker 2: every fifth or so. Build to keep your rankings. They
Speaker 2: did it with truck cofos COFs a few years ago,
Speaker 2: where everyone you've got a ranking depending on how often
Speaker 2: you failed or road side inspections. Cheers from Nick Genius,
Speaker 2: Nick Genius, I think it's a great idea, staggeringly good idea.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 16: Nick.
Speaker 2: I like that idea. I'll tell you the other thing
Speaker 2: just quickly, on the LBP thing that I'm a little
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they haven't focused on a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Is typically the way it works is on your first
Speaker 2: inspection with council, council will want to know who the
Speaker 2: LBP is, right, and so you have to present your
Speaker 2: license to them, and then you're registered. Let's say is
Speaker 2: the building LBP for that job, And there may well
Speaker 2: be multiple, but one person gets registered at the beginning,
Speaker 2: and in some cases, you know the wording of it
Speaker 2: is you either did or supervised the work. So it
Speaker 2: is quite possible that a carpentry LBP may well be
Speaker 2: supervising more than one job, which is okay, But I
Speaker 2: think there's a practical limit to the number of jobs
Speaker 2: that you can supervise. So my sense is that there
Speaker 2: should be a limit to the number of building consents
Speaker 2: active of building consents that are registered against your name
Speaker 2: and look with AI and all the rest of it
Speaker 2: these days, that shouldn't be hard to figure out. So
Speaker 2: if you end up as an LBP supervising allegedly let's
Speaker 2: say more than ten live consents, I don't believe you
Speaker 2: can do that properly, right, that would be my sense.
Speaker 2: So that should be something that they could look at
Speaker 2: as well, because you can't tell you I've heard of
Speaker 2: stories where you know, one lbp will be working in
Speaker 2: a street doing twenty houses where you can't supervise twenty jobs.
Speaker 2: You just can't. So maybe that's another thing that they
Speaker 2: should look at in terms of checks and balances. Oh eight,
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call Jack A very good morning to you.
Speaker 17: Hey Jack morning.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm worrying about a faded color steel roof.
Speaker 19: Yep.
Speaker 18: It was when I bought the house about seven years
Speaker 18: at the house is about twenty years old.
Speaker 14: Was color steel.
Speaker 18: Starting to fade?
Speaker 13: Yep?
Speaker 18: And now it's sort of gone to a light flight
Speaker 18: all over. Yes, I have seen them in ash Burton
Speaker 18: the same, right, I wrong about it. They said it
Speaker 18: needed to be acid cleaned and then an undercoat in
Speaker 18: the top coat, but the local painters wouldn't do it, right,
Speaker 18: Do you know anything about the Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: There have been cases in the last twenty odd years
Speaker 2: where the coating the actual coating. Now it's really important
Speaker 2: too that we distinguish between different brands because color steel
Speaker 2: has become a generic term that we use for any
Speaker 2: color coated iron, right, and it might be in any
Speaker 2: number of different profiles. Corrugated st nine hundred whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: So the coil is coated and then it's into different
Speaker 2: profiles for roofing. There has been over the years examples
Speaker 2: where that coating system has effectively failed in the sense
Speaker 2: that it hasn't held its color for as long as
Speaker 2: it should, and in some cases the manufacturer has come
Speaker 2: back and said, okay, well we'll address that, we'll pay
Speaker 2: for a recoating. I think your situation is slightly different,
Speaker 2: where given its age and the fact that it has
Speaker 2: lost some of its color, it becomes probably more of
Speaker 2: a maintenance issue than a warranty issue, in which case,
Speaker 2: like listening to our Razine painting experts Jay and Bryce
Speaker 2: when they're on the show, there's a specific primer that
Speaker 2: you use onto pre coated metal roofing, and then a
Speaker 2: roof paint that will adhere to that afterwards.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 2: And it might just mean that if some of your
Speaker 2: local painters in your town don't do it, you might
Speaker 2: have to get someone from slow the outside of the
Speaker 2: village to come and do that. But a thorough washed
Speaker 2: down the right primer and a top coat will at
Speaker 2: least give you a color that doesn't look as patchy
Speaker 2: as yours does right now.
Speaker 18: Thanks for that trouble at all.
Speaker 2: Easy nice, take care of Jack. All the best thaid
Speaker 2: bye Bay. Oh wait, it's really important, you know, because
Speaker 2: it's one of those things. It's like when you say
Speaker 2: we're jibbing the wall, Well, that's you would only be
Speaker 2: jibbing the wall if you were using jib plasterboard. But
Speaker 2: there are different types of plasterboard. And in the same way,
Speaker 2: people often talk about, oh, it's a color steel roof,
Speaker 2: but color steel is one specific brand. It is possibly
Speaker 2: arguably one of the more popular brands out there in
Speaker 2: terms of a manufacturer of color coated steel that is
Speaker 2: then use for roofing. But it's not the only one,
Speaker 2: so I've got to be really careful about that. Oh
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 2: I think we'll take a break. We'll be back in a.
Speaker 12: Mowat us.
Speaker 2: Today. I'm joined by Scott Matthews, chief executive of Easy
Speaker 2: Build Homes, a company knowen for delivering high quality, modular
Speaker 2: homes that are perfect for key we living. Two key
Speaker 2: materials in these affordable homes are jayframe and tryboard, both
Speaker 2: playing a significant role in their construction very good morning
Speaker 2: to you, Scott.
Speaker 10: Good morning.
Speaker 2: Now let's start with the jaframe. Tell us why you
Speaker 2: chose it over other options.
Speaker 17: Yep, we're using jaframe for a number of reasons. We
Speaker 17: found it to be incredibly structurally sound. We really love
Speaker 17: the fact that it's dimensionally accurate, and our teams out
Speaker 17: on site and our team in the factory also love
Speaker 17: the fact that it's factory dry.
Speaker 2: Now, builders can be we can be a little bit
Speaker 2: hesitant to try materials. What would you say to encourage
Speaker 2: them to give jframe a go?
Speaker 17: Yep, great question. We've actually found that once we've introduced
Speaker 17: jframe to our teams across the country, when we've had
Speaker 17: an incident where it was unavailable during COVID et cetera,
Speaker 17: our teams have actually gone slightly madden, gone on the
Speaker 17: phone complaining about us not using it. So my advice
Speaker 17: would be to sort of give it a try, and
Speaker 17: I don't think the guys would look back. It's a
Speaker 17: very very robust product.
Speaker 2: Another important component of the Easy Build houses is the
Speaker 2: use of triboard, so it's quite versatile for you. What
Speaker 2: specific implications are you using it for in the Easy
Speaker 2: Build homes yep.
Speaker 17: So we're using it for two things pieces. So number one,
Speaker 17: we use it to aligne pre prepared modular external wall
Speaker 17: panels so it forms the inside of those panels. And
Speaker 17: then in addition we use the fifteen mil tryboard on
Speaker 17: the ceilings which gives a lovely, lovely fish when the
Speaker 17: house is completed.
Speaker 2: Now, key advantages for triboard in these easy build homes.
Speaker 17: I think there's a couple essentially that's very very robust,
Speaker 17: So it allows us to have a modular approach and
Speaker 17: a ship the wall les completed around the country as
Speaker 17: we do. The other thing as well is we do
Speaker 17: quite a number of homes that are tenanters. We've done
Speaker 17: some social housing with the beach houses. We're finding that
Speaker 17: a number of clients are actually asking to remove the
Speaker 17: jip from the internal walls actually replace it. We do
Speaker 17: con triboard because they like the robust nature of the
Speaker 17: product and the look and finch.
Speaker 2: In terms of you know, the environment and cost are
Speaker 2: really important things. What's the impact there of using triboard.
Speaker 11: Yeap from.
Speaker 17: It was very very neutral to our business, which of
Speaker 17: course is a positive when you're trying to create affordable housing. Sure,
Speaker 17: and we you know, enjoy the fact that you can
Speaker 17: have an environmental policy and it's all f C Grater
Speaker 17: timber as well, which is really good from an environmental
Speaker 17: and a green aspect, because that's quite important to our
Speaker 17: clients as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Now, in terms of the benefits for triboard maintenance longevity,
Speaker 2: the robustness is key, isn't it.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is it is. You know, there are sometimes
Speaker 17: concerns from clients in terms of well it is so robust,
Speaker 17: what do we do if something happens right? And I
Speaker 17: think the product is so robust that there is very
Speaker 17: little that can happen to it. So we've had very
Speaker 17: very positive feedback and we've also used it in social
Speaker 17: housing as well, where the clients have just wanted to
Speaker 17: ensure that they have sort of reduced maintenance costs. So
Speaker 17: it's better application, fantastic.
Speaker 2: If people want to find out more, check it out online.
Speaker 2: So have a look for easy build Homes. You'll find
Speaker 2: it at easybuild dot code z. To learn a bit
Speaker 2: more about jay frame and tryboard, then go to JNL
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. Scott thanks for your.
Speaker 13: Time, Thanks, goodbye, take care.
Speaker 2: Another fantastic text that's just come through as well, Morning Pete.
Speaker 2: I've been carrying out remote inspections now for four years
Speaker 2: and I can say it works well in most circumstances.
Speaker 2: And it's only done after we have built up a
Speaker 2: good rapport with the builder and his previous on site inspections.
Speaker 2: We don't do it for everyone yet. There needs to
Speaker 2: be some checks and balances put in place first regards
Speaker 2: from Craig who is involved in compliance with a building
Speaker 2: consent authority. So TBA and I have to say that
Speaker 2: a number of us in the industry kind of freaked
Speaker 2: out when the proposal was that they should become the norm,
Speaker 2: Like essentially remote inspections will become how inspections are done
Speaker 2: rather than how they could be done. Maybe that'll change. Oh,
Speaker 2: eight d eighty the number to call.
Speaker 20: Hello John, Yes, hey John, I'll clear. Look, my granddaughter's
Speaker 20: got a thirties bungalow with that it's got bay windows,
Speaker 20: and it's got wooden what do you call it, wooden
Speaker 20: tiles small screw wooden tiles above you know, which are
Speaker 20: absolutely rotten. And I was suggesting the cheapest way and
Speaker 20: to hear and the easiest way would be to maybe
Speaker 20: get rid of the tires or even put on top
Speaker 20: of them just a sheet of galvanized flat iron. But
Speaker 20: I'm just wondering how you get on with the flashing
Speaker 20: because it's rough cars, you know, where it goes up
Speaker 20: into the.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, that does get really tricky trying to cut
Speaker 2: in a new flashing into that area.
Speaker 20: Are they normally cutting, are they at an angle or
Speaker 20: something else?
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's sort of the only way that you
Speaker 2: can do it where you're trying to get like an
Speaker 2: apron flashing in. So you'd cut a line with a
Speaker 2: diamond blade, you know, with on an angle grinder, make
Speaker 2: a slot into the plaster work, have your flashing come
Speaker 2: up with a little fold on it that fits into
Speaker 2: the air, and then a silicon sealant. But it's to
Speaker 2: be fair, it's not an ideal situation. Ideally, you know,
Speaker 2: you'd have your flashing extending up underneath the cladding and
Speaker 2: the cladding coming down over the top by fifty millimeters.
Speaker 2: But if it's it's a little bit like if you
Speaker 2: look at flashing sometimes on brick chimneys, and you know,
Speaker 2: the original ones are often set into the mortar. New
Speaker 2: ones will often describe a line cut it into the
Speaker 2: brick and silicon seal it. But you've really got to
Speaker 2: pay careful attention to how you detail that. And sorry
Speaker 2: very quickly. So it's a cedar shingle roof.
Speaker 20: I don't know what the timbers I am actually seen it,
Speaker 20: but it is timber yees small, they're about probably five
Speaker 20: inches square.
Speaker 2: Okay, craky just now, I've got to go for the news.
Speaker 2: But I think be really careful about adding another roof
Speaker 2: over an existing one because these are shues there around condensation.
Speaker 16: H utah.
Speaker 2: Uta, your new succeed by pet Wolf came Ris and
Speaker 2: I build it with you the morning right through tall
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Rud climb past will join us at eight
Speaker 2: thirty if so. If you have any gardening or entopological questions,
Speaker 2: wonderful World of Bugs. Rud will be with us at
Speaker 2: around eight thirty this morning. Oh eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call right now if
Speaker 2: you've got a building construction related question. We'll take your
Speaker 2: calls right now. Nick, thanks for waiting in A very
Speaker 2: good morning to you our good morning.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Pete, no trouble. We have a
Speaker 5: twelve year old house that we moved into after building it,
Speaker 5: and the last three months or so we've noticed when
Speaker 5: we flush either of the two toilets, there's a knocking
Speaker 5: sound at the end of the flush, yep, And I
Speaker 5: just wondered if it was something that we could have
Speaker 5: a crack at a thing, or whether it might need
Speaker 5: a plumber.
Speaker 2: In the knocking sound, it doesn't come from the system
Speaker 2: or from the toilet suitet itself. It's from the wall nearby.
Speaker 5: Yet sounds like that. You can sort of here it
Speaker 5: slightly reverberate, yes, since you're in another part of the
Speaker 5: house too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of things there. One apparently is
Speaker 2: a thing called water hammer, which is where you have
Speaker 2: I guess, as water is draining out of the system,
Speaker 2: more water comes along and that clashes, and that can
Speaker 2: be fixed with sometimes a pressure reduction valve and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. What might be more difficult to fix
Speaker 2: is if you look at how plumbers will pipe out
Speaker 2: a house now before pre line. Let's say, you know,
Speaker 2: because obviously the pipes run down through the knogs and
Speaker 2: across studs and so on, so plumbers will typically once
Speaker 2: they finish the pipe out before the lining happens, they'll
Speaker 2: put a bead of sealant around the all of those
Speaker 2: penetrations through the timberwork, because obviously as pressure varies, those
Speaker 2: pipes will move, they'll flex, and to stop them knocking
Speaker 2: against the timber, they'll do a bead of sealant. Now,
Speaker 2: if they haven't done a bead of sealant there and
Speaker 2: the pipe is actually just knocking against the timber, and
Speaker 2: that's what you hear, that's not an easy fix because
Speaker 2: the only way to fix it is to get to
Speaker 2: that specific location, open it up, and fit some sealant there. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So really it does come down to what is the
Speaker 2: source of the noise and what the issue is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think it's strange that it's only just
Speaker 5: started to happen having been in the house, you know,
Speaker 5: as to say you said coming up twelve years that
Speaker 5: you know, it's not something we've noticed prior to all
Speaker 5: to a few months ago, So.
Speaker 2: It would be worth getting a plumber, you know, ideally
Speaker 2: kind of an older experienced one to come in. I
Speaker 2: mean twelve years. It's not brand new, but it's also
Speaker 2: not that old. So yes, it's a little bit surprising
Speaker 2: that it starts to happen. Certainly it was common practice
Speaker 2: in terms of putting a sealant or bead of silicon
Speaker 2: to act essentially as a shock absorber around the pipe
Speaker 2: through the timber would have been commonplace twelve years ago,
Speaker 2: so I would have expected that they would have done it.
Speaker 2: The other thing, excuse me just a second, hang on, Oh,
Speaker 2: I knew it was coming. Sorry about that. The other
Speaker 2: thing that I think is happening if you're in an older,
Speaker 2: more established suburb, as the mains pressure pipes the council
Speaker 2: lines are being upgraded, I think our water pressure to
Speaker 2: our houses is actually going up right, So it may
Speaker 2: or may not be a contributing cause. But I think
Speaker 2: in some cases, and certainly twelve years ago, it's quite
Speaker 2: possible that the water pressure in the street was less
Speaker 2: and it was less common back then to put a
Speaker 2: tempering valve or a pressure reducing valve at the inlet
Speaker 2: to the house right. So if you don't have that,
Speaker 2: then all of the pipework inside your house is subject
Speaker 2: to the pressure that's coming from the road. And typically
Speaker 2: pipework is designed to operate within a certain limit, and
Speaker 2: that limit is probably less than what council are able
Speaker 2: to achieve with their mains water supply. So you know,
Speaker 2: if you think about having to push water through pipes
Speaker 2: for tens of kilometers, you want vastly more pressure there
Speaker 2: than you do inside your house. So again I would
Speaker 2: actually get professional advice from an experienced plumber to come in.
Speaker 2: You may find that a pressure reduction valve or a
Speaker 2: tempering valve at the mains or just where the mains
Speaker 2: enter the house might solve it. Otherwise they'll give you
Speaker 2: some advice, but it sounds like a job for a professional.
Speaker 5: Great, thanks.
Speaker 2: All the best, take care. Certainly, the pressure reducing valves
Speaker 2: are much more common now than ever before, and certainly
Speaker 2: for years I can remember. You know, we'd just run
Speaker 2: my house. For example, there's a maine, there's a toby
Speaker 2: up by the front boundary and it just runs straight
Speaker 2: into the house and gets distributed through the house. So
Speaker 2: probably adding a tempering valve to that line. It also
Speaker 2: gives you, it's quite handy to It gives you an
Speaker 2: isolation valve where your main supply potentially comes into the house.
Speaker 2: In some cases we've done them where main supply will
Speaker 2: come up and then you know, either through the slab
Speaker 2: or up underneath the house and into the wall, and
Speaker 2: before it goes and gets distributed throughout the house, just
Speaker 2: a little sort of like a box with a clip
Speaker 2: off lid, and you put the tempering valve there. If
Speaker 2: suddenly you discover a leak, then you just have to
Speaker 2: get there rather than you know. In some cases shivers
Speaker 2: if you're in a just thinking about a subdivision a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. You know, if you had a
Speaker 2: leak and you're at the back house and you have
Speaker 2: to run all the way down the driveway, find which
Speaker 2: one is your toby, which one is your water main,
Speaker 2: turn that off and get back again. Put of an issue.
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 2: call quick text on the pipe banging, draw a twenty
Speaker 2: mil hole in the top plate. Fire and some expanding
Speaker 2: poone a little will lock the pipe in place. That's
Speaker 2: from Pete. If that is the problem, then that's not
Speaker 2: a bad solution. Be careful with expanding foam, though it
Speaker 2: expands a lot more than you might think. In some cases.
Speaker 2: It's the law of unintended consequences. I go, oh, we
Speaker 2: heap the funny stories about that too. Oh eight hundred
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call John.
Speaker 20: Good morning, Yeah, morning, Peter Again, I kind of about
Speaker 20: that flashing thing.
Speaker 9: And oh yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 20: I got a sad in Taranaki, South Taranaki and he
Speaker 20: needs to put a soakol and so is blocked. Yes,
Speaker 20: and you can get a guy. I can do a
Speaker 20: nine hundred milimeter bore, you know, down.
Speaker 13: Into the water table.
Speaker 20: You can postal bar. But I'm just wondering what stops
Speaker 20: at cave, what stops the sides caving and do you
Speaker 20: need anything to stop the sides caving in? Or can
Speaker 20: you just bore a whole and put a grate on
Speaker 20: the top.
Speaker 2: I would have thought that just boring a hole and
Speaker 2: putting grate on it, it's not going to work, or
Speaker 2: if it does work, it'll work for about a week.
Speaker 2: I So typically with when we describe soakholes or soakage drainage,
Speaker 2: it's essentially it's you dig, mainly dig, drilling a nine
Speaker 2: hundred diameter one year it'll work as well. So what
Speaker 2: you do is you dig in let's say cubic meter
Speaker 2: out right. Ideally you should line that with geotextile cloth
Speaker 2: that will stop sediment from filtering in and blocking up
Speaker 2: the soakage pit, which is the main problem with old ones,
Speaker 2: and then inside that soakage pit you would put drainage material,
Speaker 2: so some chunky scoria, and then you would direct the
Speaker 2: storm water into that and it will just disperse. It'll
Speaker 2: have a certain volume that'll take catchment, and then it
Speaker 2: will disperse out and filter into the ground. But if,
Speaker 2: for example, like old ones that I've dug up, where
Speaker 2: someone's dug a hole let's say a meter by a
Speaker 2: meter by a meter so cubic meter, they've put some
Speaker 2: scoria in it, and they've poked the down pipe into it, well,
Speaker 2: after you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty years, it will
Speaker 2: have just filled up with sediment, in which case it's
Speaker 2: no longer working. The other type of one, and the
Speaker 2: one that I've been involved with, is what we call
Speaker 2: an only hunger type one where we'll actually do drilling
Speaker 2: one hundred milimeters hole and sleeve that with one hundred
Speaker 2: mili pipe. Then we'll test the capacity of that so
Speaker 2: tip in let's say a thousand liters of water, and
Speaker 2: if it disperses within a certain period of time, then
Speaker 2: you know you've got sufficient drainage for the size of
Speaker 2: the house. Once that pipe is in the ground, then
Speaker 2: we'll excavate around it, put in an actual manhole riser,
Speaker 2: so those concrete rings, and put a lid on it.
Speaker 2: And then where the pipe comes up at the bottom,
Speaker 2: do a half ciphon on it so that it will
Speaker 2: block if there's excess sediment in the bottom of the
Speaker 2: chamber and that sort of thing. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: both of those are a little bit more involved than
Speaker 2: just digging a hole and letting the pipe go. And
Speaker 2: certainly if you dug a hole didn't support the sides,
Speaker 2: it will eventually just collapse.
Speaker 20: And the cloth you put in, how do you attach
Speaker 20: that to the side?
Speaker 10: Is it just like a.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: So if you look at roadworks and roads often being
Speaker 2: built now, they'll use like it's a bittom cloth or
Speaker 2: a heavy geotextile cloth, and you can get sort of
Speaker 2: more domestic versions of it. But effectively, what it does
Speaker 2: is that it allows water to pass through, but it
Speaker 2: will help prevent sediment from being drawn along with that
Speaker 2: water and filling up the volume of your catch pit,
Speaker 2: of your soakage pit. So again, if you I mean,
Speaker 2: you could hand dig it right for that size if
Speaker 2: you wanted to, but you'd want to lay that down
Speaker 2: on the bottom, just have it coming up and over
Speaker 2: the top, start filling it with scoria, and maybe when
Speaker 2: you get sort of one hundred mil from your top level,
Speaker 2: fold that cloth over again so that you're completely encapsulating
Speaker 2: all of the scoria, and then you can dress it
Speaker 2: off with top soil and leave it as a lawn
Speaker 2: done one of those years ago as well.
Speaker 20: All right, thankfully, okay, but big scoria.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd go for like fifty mili scoria. So you
Speaker 2: want something where And the other thing that I do
Speaker 2: is when I've got my space open, right, and I'll
Speaker 2: put a bit of scorier in, But then I'll get
Speaker 2: some drainage coil, you know, like the black snake or
Speaker 2: something like that that's got the slots in it, and
Speaker 2: I'll just get maybe a five or six meter length
Speaker 2: of that and wind it into that into that soakage pit, right,
Speaker 2: and then fill the story around it. And what I
Speaker 2: find then is that when you get heavy rain in
Speaker 2: you get a sudden discharge of storm water into the pit.
Speaker 2: It gives it somewhere to go, because otherwise, you imagine
Speaker 2: your pipe comes into the air and it's going to
Speaker 2: hit the scoria and that's going to prevent it from
Speaker 2: flowing out as quickly. But if you've got five or
Speaker 2: six meters of drainage coil in there, then it's got
Speaker 2: somewhere to go. That's that's what I've done. Okay, thanks
Speaker 2: very much for all the best. I actually quite like
Speaker 2: doing them, to be fair. That's probably why I'm as
Speaker 2: excited as I am talking about them. But look, in
Speaker 2: the right situation, they're a great solution. You know, the
Speaker 2: ground in some cases will accept it that amount of
Speaker 2: water and it'll just filter down into the groundwater. Now
Speaker 2: I'm a plumber. I'm not a plumber. Rather, I'm a
Speaker 2: carpenter talking about plumbing things. So a couple of people
Speaker 2: have texted and pressure limiting valves are not tempering valves.
Speaker 2: So limiting valve is not a producer. Sorry, A limiting
Speaker 2: valve is not a pressure reducing valve. A PrV is
Speaker 2: for low pressure hot water cylinders radio. Okay, So for
Speaker 2: our earlier caller, Nick, with the hammer, sound the water hammer,
Speaker 2: potentially get a plumber to look at it. Oh, eight
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if
Speaker 2: you've got a question. We'll take your calls right through
Speaker 2: at eight thirty this morning. Then we're into the garden
Speaker 2: with red climb passed from eight thirty this morning, us
Speaker 2: you and these talks, it'd be and oh eight hundred
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty just a couple of minutes and then
Speaker 2: we're into the garden with a redcline past someone that's
Speaker 2: taxed through Taranaki. Clay not a problem, doesn't need any
Speaker 2: fancy support from Earl. If it's clay, it's trained particularly well,
Speaker 2: that was it, that'd be the issue there. I think, oh,
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number.
Speaker 21: Hell, ok, look I'm looking at insulating a garriage door. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 21: what what sort of product you recommend?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 15: Going to the door.
Speaker 13: Post?
Speaker 15: Synthetic?
Speaker 2: I think in this instance the polystyrene is going to
Speaker 2: be your best bet. And I think there are actually
Speaker 2: sort of garage door insulation kits that you can buy.
Speaker 2: So you know, you just I presume you've got a
Speaker 2: standards of metal door sectional door sectional or tilted door,
Speaker 2: all right, so you're just going to add polystyrene insulation
Speaker 2: to the inside of that. You can bond it onto
Speaker 2: the back of the metal quite easily. That's going to
Speaker 2: be your best solution.
Speaker 10: Because of a weight or I think it's.
Speaker 2: More the fact that it will hold together. Right, So
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another product, an insulating product
Speaker 2: that would adhere and give you a sense of a
Speaker 2: semi rigid surface on the inside layer.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 2: You know, if you were to use a lofting type material,
Speaker 2: it's going to be really hard to fix it unless
Speaker 2: you were going to do that and put another lining
Speaker 2: on the inside. But then it gets all too complicated.
Speaker 2: I think simple as good, So I would just go
Speaker 2: for polystyrene. And I'm pretty sure there are sort of
Speaker 2: retro fit kits for garage doors available right right.
Speaker 15: The insulation there, he's healed with the material. I've had
Speaker 15: a struggling a few people about it, and I just
Speaker 15: wasn't quite sure with the for the probably sorry all
Speaker 15: the insulations, because a bit of weight goes into those doors,
Speaker 15: isn't it.
Speaker 2: And again the advantage is polystyrene. And I think if
Speaker 2: you look at like the great thing is today a
Speaker 2: number of door companies are doing in seld panel doors
Speaker 2: and they are all pretty much p ir doors. So
Speaker 2: it's a form of foam or polystyrene that goes in
Speaker 2: there as the lining or as the inner and then
Speaker 2: they'll they'll sheath both sides so the panels themselves are insulated.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you've got a perfectly serviceable
Speaker 2: garage door, and I presume this is an internal access garage.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it gets very hot in there. That's why it's
Speaker 15: the place of the sun in the morning. So right
Speaker 15: in the summer, the tastes like a boiler. Okay, all
Speaker 15: right in the summer, so we want to keep the
Speaker 15: heat out of the garage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right, Well look at it'll help there,
Speaker 2: and maybe you want to look at some ventilation or
Speaker 2: something like that as well.
Speaker 15: But yeah, yeah, is simple. But yeah, basically the door, Yeah,
Speaker 15: exactly in front of the door, but I.
Speaker 2: Go for the polystyrene king in that instance. Great solution
Speaker 2: and a very good morning to you.
Speaker 19: Thank you for having my call.
Speaker 9: Pleasure.
Speaker 19: I've had a roof. I had a roof repair done
Speaker 19: by a company and they hadn't done it properly. They
Speaker 19: damaged the roof, so they replaced part of the part
Speaker 19: of the damage, and then that was not a good job.
Speaker 19: So they've actually totally replaced the roof and I've had
Speaker 19: it checked over. Since they've been out to correct a
Speaker 19: few things, I've still got it hasn't been signed off yet,
Speaker 19: and they've pretty pretty much said that all the flats
Speaker 19: services have been sealed between the flesh and joins and
Speaker 19: Code of Practice does not have to well, I stated,
Speaker 19: kind of ooze out from the jaw and you know
Speaker 19: when they feel it. So I looked on the Code
Speaker 19: of Practice and it's got this you know your land lap,
Speaker 19: which is fourteen point point one, which is you know,
Speaker 19: the flat that the actual seal has to come to
Speaker 19: the edge and then wiped off, you know. But I've
Speaker 19: noticed that there's seals that has you know, there's gaps.
Speaker 2: Sorry, is this a seal on a on a metal junction.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about a torch on membrane.
Speaker 19: It's on a metal route. It's a kind of you know, yeah,
Speaker 19: it's a capping here. And and so when I look
Speaker 19: at the Code of Practice, it says you need two
Speaker 19: beads of seal, which they may side, but it might not.
Speaker 19: It's it's evident that it doesn't really come to the edge.
Speaker 19: So the water can you know, get into.
Speaker 2: These Yeah, if it doesn't come to the edge, then
Speaker 2: water can tuck in underneath that joint if the ceilant doesn't.
Speaker 2: I suppose, you know, you apply two beads a ceilant,
Speaker 2: one near the lap and then one further back to
Speaker 2: give you sort of two barriers, and ideally the one
Speaker 2: closest to the exposed edge. When you fix the two
Speaker 2: flashings down, you want to see some of that sealant
Speaker 2: be expelled to the outside and so you should see
Speaker 2: evidence that it's been wiped off. Yeah, okay, well look
Speaker 2: if that's in the Code of Practice, then that's ideally
Speaker 2: what they should be doing, and good on you for
Speaker 2: doing the research. Is the company that's doing the repair
Speaker 2: a member of the Roofing Association of New Zealand they
Speaker 2: are okay, well that's good, but.
Speaker 19: I believe in communicating directly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 19: One of their managers is actually on the board. So
Speaker 19: I'm actually contesting that the job it's not meeting the criteria.
Speaker 2: And I think the great thing with you know, the
Speaker 2: argument that you're putting forward is you're also providing evidence.
Speaker 2: So you've gone to the code or to the best
Speaker 2: practice guide. This is best practice. Why is it that
Speaker 2: you don't do beast practice? Now? So I think you're
Speaker 2: on solid ground in terms of saying to them, actually,
Speaker 2: the work's not up to stand it. Can you come
Speaker 2: back and please address it?
Speaker 19: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean no one likes to have these sorts
Speaker 2: of conversations, and ideally everyone's work should be up to standard.
Speaker 2: But if it's not, and you can prove that it's not,
Speaker 2: then stand your ground.
Speaker 19: Yes, okay, and I mean sixteen things like that. You've
Speaker 19: got to break it open. Don't you do it again?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pop the rivets out, yep, pop the rivets out
Speaker 2: and then redo the sealant. Oh you could just apply
Speaker 2: a beader selant to that edge. Potentially that will do
Speaker 2: the same thing. Yeah. But I either way, if if
Speaker 2: the work's not up to scratch, and you know that
Speaker 2: it's not, and you've provided evidence that it's not, then
Speaker 2: they should come back and fix it. It's as simple
Speaker 2: as that. Yes, good on you.
Speaker 19: What if I don't think that they can, you know,
Speaker 19: people who are you?
Speaker 2: Still have to this then becomes I think it's under
Speaker 2: the Consumer Guarantees Act those sorts of things that they
Speaker 2: actually you can't go and get another contractor without giving
Speaker 2: the original contractor the opportunity to come and do the remediation.
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So you need to stick with them until such
Speaker 2: point as they decide that they don't want to be
Speaker 2: involved anymore, and then you I would still recommend that
Speaker 2: you inform them in writing that you intend to get
Speaker 2: another contractor to do the work given their reluctance to engage,
Speaker 2: and that you are going to send them the bill
Speaker 2: for it. You can't just go and get another contractor
Speaker 2: to fix something and send the bill through to the
Speaker 2: other contractor if you haven't given them the opportunity to
Speaker 2: come back and fix it.
Speaker 22: Yes, I think.
Speaker 2: It's their reputation. Yeah, that's great. Good on you and
Speaker 2: all the best. Take care, Yeah, I know, I know. No,
Speaker 2: good on you for standing your ground. All the best. Actually,
Speaker 2: just talking about legal things on the program. Over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, we've often talked about the Fencing
Speaker 2: Act and are some of the guest complexity and some
Speaker 2: of the hoops that you have to jump through. The
Speaker 2: great thing is I have pinned down a lawyer who's
Speaker 2: going to come and talk on the program in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks time. So Ben Thompson is a lawyer
Speaker 2: specializing in property law and things like the property Act
Speaker 2: and the Fencing Act. So he's going to be available
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Really looking forward to having him join us. Like I say,
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time. Right here, we're going
Speaker 2: to take a short break. Then we're into the garden.
Speaker 2: The red climb past is on the way us.
Speaker 14: H realized.
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 6: Hm hm.
Speaker 23: Y god, well, A very good morning.
Speaker 2: That rid climb passed. How are you, sir?
Speaker 9: A very good morning to you, Peter. Are you all okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hanging on there, hanging yeah, I'm.
Speaker 9: Sure you are sure? Share that was that was it.
Speaker 9: I listened to a little story about you know, people
Speaker 9: saying things about you. I don't even know. I thought that,
Speaker 9: you know, this is this is media, just suck it
Speaker 9: and just yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of wondered about that, and then I thought, stuff.
Speaker 9: No, it is. It is because you're you're absolutely right you.
Speaker 9: I think it needs to be said.
Speaker 2: People out every now and then. Yeah, my friend has
Speaker 2: texted me and asked about passion Fruit, and I haven't
Speaker 2: text them back yet to say, might not be the
Speaker 2: person to talk to about this, but his passion Fruit
Speaker 2: has kind of what he said passion fruit plant doing
Speaker 2: exceptionally well flowered now has started withering and dying. Oh
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, that could be all sorts of things. It
Speaker 9: could be. Could be lack of fertilizer, could be wrong,
Speaker 9: too much water. It could be not enough water, you know,
Speaker 9: it could be. It depends on your soil.
Speaker 2: I suppose, right. But if it was going well one
Speaker 2: year and then suddenly let's turned up its toes.
Speaker 9: And it's only two years, you think that it's alive.
Speaker 9: Because spascial fruits are not very long lived.
Speaker 2: Ah okay, maybe that's maybe it's reached the end of
Speaker 2: its life.
Speaker 9: Maybe it is, but four.
Speaker 2: Years, okay, that gives them something to go on.
Speaker 9: Yeah, now that might be. It might be an idea
Speaker 9: to look at that and put a new plant in.
Speaker 2: Right there, you go, Simon, that's your job for today,
Speaker 2: right Tony, A very good morning to you.
Speaker 11: I have an old apple tree, the Cox's orange, and
Speaker 11: I want to know about the efficacy of these pheromone
Speaker 11: traps and when they put them out, if they are,
Speaker 11: it is good, and we you pot them.
Speaker 9: Okay. The traps themselves are not there to control the
Speaker 9: actual coddling moth The traps are there to give you
Speaker 9: an idea that they are around, and you have to
Speaker 9: check them from this time onwards, almost every other day
Speaker 9: or so, to see if you've got some of those
Speaker 9: moths stuck on the sticky tape in the trap. By
Speaker 9: the way, the trap you hang in your tree somewhere.
Speaker 9: You can have one tree, one tree, one trap, no problem,
Speaker 9: So that's easy. You can put them wherever you like.
Speaker 9: They will guard you. That particular smell go on.
Speaker 11: Two but two opinions. One it's under the tree, others
Speaker 11: as far away up the tree, because otherwise them just
Speaker 11: the carriages who go to the tree.
Speaker 9: No, it doesn't matter whether they go to the tree
Speaker 9: or not. It's and you're not going to control them
Speaker 9: with just a trap. The trap is there to give
Speaker 9: you the exact timing when they start flying, and when
Speaker 9: they start flying, they will, you know, males find females
Speaker 9: no matter where the trap is, it makes no difference
Speaker 9: at all. Males find females, and then the females will
Speaker 9: lay their eggs on the very small little apples that
Speaker 9: have developed after flowering. So as you can see from
Speaker 9: now on, the little apples coddlings as they call them,
Speaker 9: the coddlings are developing, and those females lay their eggs
Speaker 9: on it. You've got ten days if you like, between
Speaker 9: the first moths flying in to the moment that those
Speaker 9: eggs actually hatch into caterpillars. And once they hatch into caterpillars,
Speaker 9: they go into the fruit and there's nothing you can
Speaker 9: do about it. So this is your timing.
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, Also very quickly, I've got the trees in
Speaker 11: the middle of a lawn. How do I feed it?
Speaker 9: You've got a what in the middle of the lawn.
Speaker 11: The tree is in the middle of a lawn. How
Speaker 11: do I feed the tree?
Speaker 9: Oh, basically by putting some fertilizer around the root zone
Speaker 9: of the tree. So you're put a handful of you know,
Speaker 9: you know roughly what the root zone is like. It
Speaker 9: goes as far as the edges of the tree if
Speaker 9: you go down in in a vertical line.
Speaker 11: So mean lawn, I mean I can't got the lawn.
Speaker 9: Now, you don't have to dig up the lawn. You
Speaker 9: put the fertilizer on the lawn. It will then water
Speaker 9: itself in or drift drift itself into the root zone
Speaker 9: of the tree, and then it gets its fertilizer.
Speaker 11: That's okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 9: And a good one is liquid fertilizer.
Speaker 11: Yes, that has the last year. Try spray it on
Speaker 11: the foliage. That's actually something goes from budings and it's
Speaker 11: a hose on thing and it's supposed to cease. I
Speaker 11: think it is. Yeah, And liquids large letting be good.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well it is good, and especially if it's
Speaker 9: got a higher amount of potash, which is the kay
Speaker 9: of NPK. You can see this, Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 9: And and remember this one thing. I think it's a
Speaker 9: myth that folia fertilizer is important, because folia fertilizer is
Speaker 9: the stuff you spray on the leaves and then it
Speaker 9: goes into the leaves. But I don't know if you
Speaker 9: ever have been breathing through other holes than your nose.
Speaker 9: I think in this case the fertilizer needs to go
Speaker 9: to the roots. The roots take up the fertility, not
Speaker 9: the leaves go by much pressure.
Speaker 2: Tony, you have a great day, and faye A very
Speaker 2: good morning to you.
Speaker 24: Morney. How are you?
Speaker 9: We're good.
Speaker 24: In the other moment, she heavy as like a rust
Speaker 24: coming up on my leaves on trees of your lemon
Speaker 24: trees lemon and orange yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: Okay, And that rust is that orange stuff on the top.
Speaker 24: Of the leaves, it is, yeah, yes, it is individual
Speaker 24: orange you delive green yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah yeah. The orange is still yeah, the orange
Speaker 9: is still working. Now. If you've got a rust on
Speaker 9: a lead on the leaves, generally the best way to
Speaker 9: spray it is with copper and sulfur, such as a
Speaker 9: copper sulfur mix like Nature's Way Fungus spray.
Speaker 24: Oh yes.
Speaker 9: And the reason I'm saying that one is because you
Speaker 9: have a tree that you're going to be eating the
Speaker 9: fruit from, you know, so instead for instance, of using
Speaker 9: microlo butt O'Neil and some other fungus sides, I think
Speaker 9: it might be an idea to use a a funger
Speaker 9: site that is actually organic like copper and sulfur, and
Speaker 9: it doesn't hurt you or you know, it's not not
Speaker 9: bad for you to have that on the on the
Speaker 9: leaves and.
Speaker 24: If and I do have it three tomorrow pliant So
Speaker 24: that would be good for ah us two.
Speaker 9: Would it for for aphorts? Yeah, yeah, I would use it,
Speaker 9: but I wouldn't use a funger sight on aphis for
Speaker 9: APIs I would use something like the pyrethrums, which is
Speaker 9: another one of those organic materials that the ephets do
Speaker 9: not like.
Speaker 24: Okay, I can get that from bun or somewhere, do I.
Speaker 9: They all have it?
Speaker 24: Okay, are wonderful. It's I have one more thing, my lemon,
Speaker 24: my orange tree. I find it. It's very.
Speaker 4: It's all up.
Speaker 24: It's not spreading out. What would be causing that?
Speaker 9: Your lemon tree is not what do you mean it's
Speaker 9: not spreading out?
Speaker 24: My orange tree. I have it in the big pot
Speaker 24: and it's all coming up that just a couple of
Speaker 24: branches are more coming out that the other ones are all.
Speaker 24: How do I ship pull in close pulling out a
Speaker 24: wee bit.
Speaker 9: Well, they have to do that through growth. So I
Speaker 9: am not underd percent sure what's happening there. Sometimes when
Speaker 9: you prune your tree, you'll find that the buds below
Speaker 9: where you've pruned it will go outwards, and that would
Speaker 9: be good, But you know what, to be quite honest, fay,
Speaker 9: I think lemon trees and citrus trees are probably best
Speaker 9: planted in soil rather than in containers.
Speaker 24: Yeah, my lemon tree, I've had it in my big pots.
Speaker 24: I think it must have been a minitial one, but
Speaker 24: I get heat the heat on it, and it's been
Speaker 24: moved for thirteen Now, well, that's good.
Speaker 9: That's that is good, going to be quite honest, Yes
Speaker 9: that's good. But generally speaking, there comes a time that
Speaker 9: the pot is becoming too small for the rootshone, isn't it?
Speaker 24: And my meat, I mean to say to my meat
Speaker 24: is a bit dying of it lusty thing. So would
Speaker 24: that be ideal for that too?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you could use that, I suppose.
Speaker 5: Why not on the copper or on the.
Speaker 9: Yeah us the coppers always had.
Speaker 2: A thank you faie. What do you reckon the chances
Speaker 2: of me? There's still being some pancake better left over
Speaker 2: by the time I get home.
Speaker 25: Not very little now they would have hoovered them up
Speaker 25: by now, Yeah, exactly by the time I get home. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: Rud climb pass with us this morning. End Jill, A
Speaker 2: very good morning to you.
Speaker 29: Oh good morning. Yes, Rude, I've got a real big problem.
Speaker 29: We bought an old home, an old house that's been
Speaker 29: rented out for ten years. We've got garden beds around
Speaker 29: the perimeter of the house and on the around the fence,
Speaker 29: and I'm having a problem with weeds and grass growing
Speaker 29: in those beds that hadn't been dug for ten years. Foolishly,
Speaker 29: I guess when we first moved in. I spent a
Speaker 29: whole week weed out and sifting soil on the front
Speaker 29: fence bed, and then I put compost in it and
Speaker 29: top soil and planted, and within a week the weeds
Speaker 29: were growing higher than the plants. So what I've tried
Speaker 29: to do now is lay down, lay down a cardboard
Speaker 29: and weed mat, and then put pebbles on top and
Speaker 29: just put my plants in pots. But I've got some
Speaker 29: existing shrubs in there that I don't want to I
Speaker 29: want to know if there's a weed killer, either vinegar
Speaker 29: or something in a store that I can spray on
Speaker 29: the pebble garden in between each shrub without killing the shrubs. Sorry,
Speaker 29: I'm not very explaining, but.
Speaker 9: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 19: So this is it.
Speaker 9: So that you've got a heck of a lot of weeds,
Speaker 9: you try to do also some thing with cardboard and
Speaker 9: pebbles on top of the weed mountain. And you're, for instance,
Speaker 9: not keen on using stuff like roundup.
Speaker 17: No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 18: No.
Speaker 29: Well I don't I don't mind, but I don't want
Speaker 29: to kill a nice big hydranger bush and one or
Speaker 29: two shrubs that are within the existing beds. I've covered
Speaker 29: them with pebbles. And what's happening now is I'm having
Speaker 29: to lay down. I've got a rider. I'm an old woman.
Speaker 29: I'm in the late seventies. I'm having to lay down
Speaker 29: on the ground and lean over and pull out the
Speaker 29: weeds and blades of grass and stuff that are coming
Speaker 29: through the stone through the pebbles. So what what you know,
Speaker 29: I gave up on the front bed. I got full
Speaker 29: packets of wildflower seeds, and I thought, I'll beat you buggers.
Speaker 29: I'm going to sprinkle wildflowers all over you. And that's
Speaker 29: what I did. So I've now got a wildflower bed
Speaker 29: at the front of the house.
Speaker 28: I can't do it all the way around, Okay, So
Speaker 28: there are ways of actually spraying the weeds with let's say,
Speaker 28: like woody weed killer or whatever round up he typestock.
Speaker 29: It's a lot of it is grass egg.
Speaker 9: Oh that's even better because that is reasonably easy to
Speaker 9: control with that sort of stuff like roundup. But I'm
Speaker 9: just saying there is a way of actually putting pieces
Speaker 9: of cardboard to protect your your your your various plants
Speaker 9: that you want to keep.
Speaker 29: You know, I already put down cardboard, sick cardboard from
Speaker 29: cardboard boxes, and then you know, on top of the
Speaker 29: weed mat and then pebbles, but it's still coming.
Speaker 9: Through, Okay, okay, So the idea is to actually get
Speaker 9: your weat killer whatever you use, from a nozzle that
Speaker 9: you can actually aim in the right place. But what
Speaker 9: I'm saying about the cardboard is, have you thought about
Speaker 9: also having cardboard in a vertical manner so that if
Speaker 9: there is a bit of drift of wheat killer, that
Speaker 9: it doesn't go over your hydrangeers, that it doesn't even
Speaker 9: get there, You know what I mean?
Speaker 29: Yeah, why don't you get to the roots through the
Speaker 29: soil underneath?
Speaker 9: Not if you take it easy and just do the
Speaker 9: grass from the top, you don't have to overdo it. Honestly,
Speaker 9: you don't. And this is why, this is why I
Speaker 9: mentioned things like woody wat killer and round up and
Speaker 9: all these other things. A lot of people don't like them,
Speaker 9: and I can imagine that's the case. But if you know,
Speaker 9: if you put a sticker on those which means a
Speaker 9: sticker is a fact that it sticks to the grass
Speaker 9: leaves themselves, you don't need that much to before it
Speaker 9: goes down.
Speaker 29: Into I don't mind you, I don't mind using round up,
Speaker 29: But yeah, I just can't keep lying down on the
Speaker 29: ground with us rights in the hips and trying to
Speaker 29: do it.
Speaker 9: I have the same problem. Don't worry, I know exactly
Speaker 9: what I mean. I've got to try to do the
Speaker 9: same thing.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that, Jill. I suppose over time hopefully
Speaker 2: you get on top of it. But yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: You can just picture a you know, teen years of
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Speaker 2: lemon tree.
Speaker 22: Yeah, hi, morning, rude. I've got a lemon tree and
Speaker 22: a lime tree, both planted at the same time, about
Speaker 22: twelve years ago. The lime tree is massive. I'm just
Speaker 22: abundant with fruit. Lemonry is not even a matter high.
Speaker 22: It's not healthy. And we get about four lemons there.
Speaker 9: Okay. What's the lemon tree's name, what's its variety? Maya
Speaker 9: mayor mayor lemon? Well, sometimes that happens. I we at
Speaker 9: the moment on the porthills have a bit of a
Speaker 9: problem with lemon trees. It's not the right place for them.
Speaker 9: You need to dig a whole big hole with new
Speaker 9: new soil if you like it, is that sort of
Speaker 9: stuff sometimes and if you but if you're lime, which
Speaker 9: is I assume not too far away from the lemon tree, no,
Speaker 9: if that does well, then you might have got a
Speaker 9: lemon tree that is not that not that healthy, not
Speaker 9: that good, not that well. If you like grown in
Speaker 9: the nursery, and you might need another one that is
Speaker 9: quite often helps, that quite often helps.
Speaker 22: Reckon.
Speaker 9: No, don't rip it out. No, don't rip it out,
Speaker 9: because you always need to emmons if you maya for instance,
Speaker 9: for for for the fact that they sometimes work one
Speaker 9: year not the other year, and you need pollinators. So
Speaker 9: sometimes it pays to keep it there and put the
Speaker 9: next one next door to it and see how it goes.
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, good luck to you. Take care and Ross
Speaker 2: a mystery. Hey, Ross, Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 13: Hey, go for it.
Speaker 2: We've got a big grief. We've got one minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi. I've got this creeping sort of weed. It's
Speaker 4: it's about three or four millimeters. It's flat, and it's green,
Speaker 4: and it's I think it goes better or worse, which
Speaker 4: every way you call it in the shade. But it's
Speaker 4: just invasive and it's just growing all over the place,
Speaker 4: starts off and cracks and it just spreads. What is
Speaker 4: it and how do you get rid of it?
Speaker 9: I can't see that from this distance, Ross, will be
Speaker 9: quite honest, this is almost a pre scales.
Speaker 4: It's like fish scales. It's just a flat weed that
Speaker 4: goes on the surface of the soil. It never goes
Speaker 4: more than about two milimeters high. It's just like a
Speaker 4: fish scale green.
Speaker 9: So it's on the ground itself. It's not wondering willy look, No,
Speaker 9: I don't know. I'd have to look at it. I
Speaker 9: have to look at it to see what I is identified.
Speaker 9: Get now, get it identified. Put it on I Naturalist
Speaker 9: on your phone, I net you list. It's an app
Speaker 9: for free and you'll learn very quickly how to use it,
Speaker 9: and it identifies what the weed is and then we
Speaker 9: can get somewhere.
Speaker 2: I might test that out today because I think I've
Speaker 2: got the same thing creeping out across the broken concrete
Speaker 2: path at my place.
Speaker 9: Okay, right, I'll try many different things.
Speaker 2: Go who knows. It's always a pleasure. Look after yourself,
Speaker 2: take care, and we'll talk to you again next Sunday.
Speaker 2: All right, right, I'm going to go and see whether
Speaker 2: there's any pancake at a left in the bottom of
Speaker 2: the bowl. I think my chance is a slim, but
Speaker 2: it's worth while. Joseph making pancakes this morning, right, So
Speaker 2: have a good week. Actually, I'll be back tonight. I'm
Speaker 2: here at six to do Sunday at six here at
Speaker 2: zib This evening as well, so looking forward to that. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: have a good week and if you tuned in again
Speaker 2: next Sunday, we'll be here. Take care.
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