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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News talks'b.

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Speaker 2: SO for the first time of my life on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: iPhone talk Back. I'll tell you a bit more about

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Speaker 2: that later on rachel A, very good morning, Thanks for waiting.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I think that's okay. Look, I've got a problem here.

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Speaker 3: I've got an old house, about nineteen thirties forties I think,

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Speaker 3: And I got an electrician around him to check the

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Speaker 3: wiring because I was just wanted it all checked. A

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Speaker 3: friend of mine has a wiring house anyway. He really

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Speaker 3: frightened me. Oh co electrician, He really said, he found

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Speaker 3: I've got what he said, the wiring. Someone was old.

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Speaker 3: He said, found conduit cables presence on the lighting between floors,

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Speaker 3: advised customer. And what does that mean? He said, I

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Speaker 3: would get the lighting fixed. I'd have to remove the

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Speaker 3: whole top floor and the carpet and everything out of

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Speaker 3: the top floor to have the cables fixed. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I really really was frightened. He said, how are you

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Speaker 3: going to live here? I said, well until I die.

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Speaker 3: He said, well, I wouldn't advise that. He said, I'd

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Speaker 3: give you maybe one or two years. I mean so frightening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that he probably the electrician. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: by all accounts, get another electrician to come along. And

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Speaker 2: this is the worst part of human nature is that,

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Speaker 2: you know, what we hope hasn't happened, is that an

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Speaker 2: electrician has come along and decided that they will put

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Speaker 2: the fear of God into you basically about the state

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Speaker 2: of your electrical wiring and get you to do work

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Speaker 2: that's not necessary. Now, I think that's quite unlikely, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 2: They are professionals, right, There is genuine concern around that

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Speaker 2: type of old electrical cabling.

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Speaker 4: So if i'd you at cable, yeah, So typically.

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Speaker 2: What they'll be describing is for the vintage of your house,

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Speaker 2: there will be metal conduit that runs through the building.

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Speaker 2: It'll run through the mid floor because your house is

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Speaker 2: too story, it'll run down the wall, and then inside

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Speaker 2: that the original electrical cabling. Now I'm a carpenter, I'm

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Speaker 2: not an electrician, but I've worked on a number of

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Speaker 2: old houses and I've spent a lot of time with

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Speaker 2: my electrician looking at these sorts of things. So you'll

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Speaker 2: have metal conduit inside that will be. It's often a

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Speaker 2: cloth coated electrical cable right now, that phrase and deteriorates

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Speaker 2: over time. We're talking if it's nineteen thirties, we're getting

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Speaker 2: close to one hundred years old, right, And the concern

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Speaker 2: is that as that phrase, it may cause a short

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Speaker 2: and it will have a spark, and that spark could

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Speaker 2: then cause a fire. And this is not uncommon and

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Speaker 2: it's a genuine concern. So if what the electrician has

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Speaker 2: found is that your live electrical cables us or your

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Speaker 2: lights for example, are still turning on and turning off

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Speaker 2: because they run through this old cable, there is a

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Speaker 2: genuine concern there, and certainly when they encounter it as professionals,

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Speaker 2: they have to advise that it should be removed. For example,

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Speaker 2: if you buy a new house, or if you buy

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Speaker 2: a house today and it's an older if it's anything

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Speaker 2: pre nineteen forties, your insurer will ask you is there

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Speaker 2: any old existing electrical cabling right or has the cabling

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Speaker 2: been upgraded? Then we're onto the practical side of removing it.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, one of the electricians that I work

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Speaker 2: with number of years ago, I did exactly that for them.

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Speaker 2: It was a renovation to a two storied house, probably

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. And I came along and the floors had

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Speaker 2: been the carpet had been removed, or the floors were

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Speaker 2: just stripped flooring, and he gave me an idea of

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Speaker 2: where he needed to go, and I very carefully cut

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Speaker 2: and removed the flooring so that he could get access

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Speaker 2: to the mid floor. Because you've got two choices, right,

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Speaker 2: One is to pull the ceiling down, which is a

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Speaker 2: the flooring, which is still quite a bit of work,

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Speaker 2: but it's easier to repair. So I went through and

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Speaker 2: I removed boards carefully. He then could strip out the

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Speaker 2: old cable, or you don't even need to strip it out.

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Speaker 2: You just need to deaden it, right, you need to

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Speaker 2: deactivate it. Then he ran new electrical cable through, connected

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Speaker 2: up all of the circuits again, and then I repaired

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Speaker 2: all of the floorboards. But it's it is a time consuming,

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Speaker 2: and time is money, and that's where it gets expensive

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Speaker 3: Huge He said, yeah, that's right, he said, he wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I've got really beautiful sculpted ceilings. He said, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to pull those down. So he's right there.

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Speaker 3: He said, I have to the whole top floor, everything

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Speaker 3: I've got on the top floor, rip up the carpet,

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Speaker 3: get a carpenter. And I mean, this is a company

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Speaker 3: I've used for years. I don't doubt you know that

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Speaker 3: their veracity. But it's just absolutely terrifying it. I have

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Speaker 3: no idea. I don't know what shall I do, well,

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Speaker 3: what will I do? Reduce to get the conduit cables

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Speaker 3: you know, removed or what I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what to do.

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Speaker 2: You don't necessarily need to remove them. But the concern

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Speaker 2: is if you've got electric, you know, electricity flowing through

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Speaker 2: these old cables inside the conduit. The conduit obviously it's

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Speaker 2: metal right now. What happens there is if you get

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Speaker 2: electrical contact with the metal, the metal will become live, right,

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Speaker 2: and you have potential for electrocution. In some cases, you

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Speaker 2: certainly have potential for fires to start from freyed cabling.

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Speaker 2: And that's the concern. And unfortunately, there's no other way

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Speaker 2: to look at it than to go Actually, experience teaches

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Speaker 2: us this is a genuine concern. There is some risk

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Speaker 2: involved in leaving it. It's not inevitable that either an

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Speaker 2: electrical fault will occur or a fire will start. But

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Speaker 2: it is a genuine risk. It is the reason that

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Speaker 2: we go through and replace old cabling like that.

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Speaker 3: So is that what I've got to do? Replace the

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Speaker 3: old cabling?

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Speaker 2: I think that Let's say, you know, if you've used

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Speaker 2: the electrician for years, they're not there to you know,

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Speaker 2: make work where there isn't work if you want to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I don't think that. He checked the

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Speaker 3: rest of the he said he checked wearing in the house,

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Speaker 3: including switchboard sockets, and like, yeah, found conduit cables. Is

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Speaker 3: that the problem? The conduit cables? But I mean, I

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Speaker 3: just can't consider doing that. I know, I had the

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Speaker 3: whole top floor removed, and you know, I don't There

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Speaker 3: must be something, surely something else I could do.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there just isn't. That that's the really hard thing, right,

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Speaker 2: So if I mean there might be some creative ways

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Speaker 3: I thought i'd did what i'd do. I interrupt, You

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Speaker 3: get another opinion. Also, I'm not going to live in fear,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to do it once I can't

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Speaker 3: afford it to do the whole house, and I'm just

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Speaker 3: not going to do it. You know, I just feel

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Speaker 3: as if I just don't want to do anything. It came.

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Speaker 3: This became completely out of the blue. I had no idea,

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Speaker 3: So I think I'll get it setind opinion. Do you

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Speaker 3: say that's a good idea?

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Speaker 2: Yes, But I suspect given you know, if you said

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Speaker 2: to me, I got an electrician in who I don't know,

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Speaker 2: and I've never met them before, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: anything about their background, and they've told me there's a

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Speaker 2: part of me that would be suspicious. But what you're

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Speaker 2: telling me is this is electrician that you've built up

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Speaker 2: a working relationship with over a number of.

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Speaker 3: Years the company.

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Speaker 2: You have no reason to distrust them, right.

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Speaker 3: Don't distrust them.

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Speaker 2: So in that sense, I think, yes, get another opinion,

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Speaker 2: and look what might be possible. I guess I'd like

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Speaker 2: to think of myself as pragmatic. So if I was

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Speaker 2: in your situation, well, let's be blunt. If you were

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Speaker 2: my mum, right, you know what I mean, I'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I get it. So what can we do to reduce

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Speaker 2: the risk. And what we might end up doing is

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Speaker 2: disconnecting those circuits and you have a light in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the room. Maybe we'll just run some conduit,

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Speaker 2: some trunking across the ceiling and give you a light

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Speaker 2: that's safe, and then someone else will fix the big problem.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that it hasn't been fixed is also

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Speaker 2: not that surprising because it often that type of task

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Speaker 2: goes into the too hard basket, or we do it

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Speaker 2: when we're doing an extensive renovation in the house. You know,

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Speaker 2: we might be adding on or we might be pulling

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Speaker 2: up flaws or whatever, and you do it then just

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Speaker 2: doing it and not doing anything else as part of

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Speaker 2: a renovation. I'm not surprised that it's been left in

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Speaker 2: the two hard basket.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, I don't use that light. He found crackling in

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Speaker 3: the light switch in the bedroom. But I don't use

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Speaker 3: that light anyway. So that would minimize a risk, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It would, But I mean, you know, it would be

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Speaker 2: unwise of me to advise you just to well, just

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Speaker 2: don't use the light, because you know, it probably is

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Speaker 2: indicative that other things are happening inside the house that

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Speaker 2: you may not be as aware of. So the other

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Speaker 2: thing to do is, if you want to, you can

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Speaker 2: get so. Electricians obviously are registered. There are also registered

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Speaker 2: electrical inspectors who will be perhaps a little more independent

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Speaker 2: and if you want and typically it's another layer of qualification.

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Speaker 2: So if you want it to have someone inspect the property,

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Speaker 2: look for a registered electrical inspector and ask them to

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Speaker 3: How do I get registered electrical inspector?

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Speaker 2: Just do a Google search for electrical inspectors in your

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Speaker 2: area and names will come up. Whereabouts in the country

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Speaker 2: are you, Rachel.

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Speaker 3: I'm an Auckland okay.

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Speaker 2: Um, look offut I'm more than happy to recommend someone.

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Speaker 2: So if you would like me to give you a number,

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Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to do that. Just stay on

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Speaker 2: the line and I'll get Isiah to take your number.

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Speaker 2: I unfortunately, Rachel, I think it is going to be

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Speaker 2: a big job and someone's going to have to do it,

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Speaker 2: whether that's you're the next owner, but someone's going to

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Speaker 2: have to fix it. It is six fifty one. We

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Speaker 2: will talk to Daryl in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: F you and news talk zaid be oh eight one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call now.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, I haven't ah text messages. I knew

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Speaker 2: that there was something missing in my life this morning.

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Speaker 2: I had something covering that. Pete. I'm an electrician too.

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Speaker 2: The metal conduit is usually well earthed, so if a

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Speaker 2: short should it should blow the fuse. In the past,

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Speaker 2: I've drawn new conduit wire through the existing old conduits

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Speaker 2: to get rid of the cloth insulated cables. You can

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Speaker 2: upgrade the spitchboard and install RCDs in circuit breakers to

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Speaker 2: detect the short. So maybe there is a way. Someone

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Speaker 2: has come through and said suggesting a electrical inspector was

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Speaker 2: a good idea. Hopefully that is the case. M Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's a good one too. Someone else is suggesting can

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Speaker 2: you pull wires through by attaching to the old ones? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but often they snag And I mean if you've ever

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Speaker 2: the inside diameter is probably about I don't know, twelve

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Speaker 2: to fourteen millimeters, and if you look at a bit

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Speaker 2: of well, if you have to draw through two point

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Speaker 2: five tps, it's pretty hard and as soon as you

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Speaker 2: So that was an exciting Wednesday. Oh wait, it's been

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Speaker 2: But in fact there are seven licensing classes, including external plastering,

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Peter. We're doing some renovations on our house

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Speaker 11: And yeah, I've.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and then it becomes you know, I suppose look,

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Speaker 12: Do it right.

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Speaker 2: Right, all the best here, all right, you take care.

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Speaker 2: Say there, who can get the fifty thousand dollar fine?

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Speaker 2: Was it the LVP? Yeah, well that's what's being proposed.

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Speaker 2: but some people are going it's already there, right, it's

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Speaker 2: A lot of these things are up for discussion in

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Speaker 2: the same way that potentially extending the fines for poor

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Speaker 2: Herald website and that sort of thing, finds will be issued.

430
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Speaker 2: But do people ever actually get paid or do people

431
00:37:40,055 --> 00:37:42,255
Speaker 2: pay their fines? That's a really hard thing. Oh, eight

432
00:37:42,255 --> 00:37:44,655
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. We will keep talking

433
00:37:44,695 --> 00:37:48,935
Speaker 2: all things building in construction. But given that lbps have

434
00:37:49,055 --> 00:37:51,935
Speaker 2: been in the news so much in the last week,

435
00:37:52,095 --> 00:37:55,095
Speaker 2: including myself, I thought it would be a good chance

436
00:37:55,135 --> 00:37:57,535
Speaker 2: to catch up with Mike Olds, who's a regular contributed

437
00:37:57,615 --> 00:38:00,855
Speaker 2: to the show. Micers from Razine Construction Systems who are

438
00:38:00,895 --> 00:38:04,935
Speaker 2: specialists obviously in exterior cladding. It's one of their specialties. Mike,

439
00:38:04,975 --> 00:38:05,975
Speaker 2: A very good morning.

440
00:38:05,735 --> 00:38:07,655
Speaker 13: To you, Mining Teak.

441
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Speaker 6: Hey.

442
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Speaker 2: Lbp's have been in the news quite a bit, and

443
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Speaker 2: I think sometimes when we in terms of the general public,

444
00:38:14,255 --> 00:38:16,815
Speaker 2: when we talk about LBPS, we do tend to focus

445
00:38:16,975 --> 00:38:22,575
Speaker 2: just on building, but in fact there's seven specific license classes,

446
00:38:22,855 --> 00:38:24,575
Speaker 2: including external plastering.

447
00:38:25,415 --> 00:38:27,655
Speaker 13: Yeah. Correct, And I was listening to the show last week,

448
00:38:27,695 --> 00:38:32,015
Speaker 13: and obviously WESPO spoke about earlier. Was the whole focus

449
00:38:32,015 --> 00:38:36,255
Speaker 13: seemed to be around the builders a major part obviously

450
00:38:36,255 --> 00:38:40,295
Speaker 13: in the buil environment. However, there are as you stated,

451
00:38:40,455 --> 00:38:44,175
Speaker 13: seven licensed classes total, and they all have varying degrees

452
00:38:44,215 --> 00:38:49,215
Speaker 13: of skills replied obviously prick and block playing, your rousing,

453
00:38:49,335 --> 00:38:53,415
Speaker 13: your design even down of the foundations. You know, in

454
00:38:53,455 --> 00:38:56,575
Speaker 13: another critical areas, particularly around the envelope and the structure,

455
00:38:57,135 --> 00:39:00,775
Speaker 13: the generally the dominant licensed classes. So when we're talking

456
00:39:00,775 --> 00:39:03,815
Speaker 13: about issues and things like that that we're getting raised

457
00:39:03,895 --> 00:39:06,815
Speaker 13: last week in terms of competencies of and it was

458
00:39:06,895 --> 00:39:08,575
Speaker 13: real focus on the builders, and I was like, well,

459
00:39:09,335 --> 00:39:13,295
Speaker 13: there's all these other professional LBP trades that connect and

460
00:39:13,415 --> 00:39:16,815
Speaker 13: work with builders to complete these projects, you know, so

461
00:39:16,415 --> 00:39:19,935
Speaker 13: there's there's multiple points or multiple touch points to get

462
00:39:19,975 --> 00:39:25,215
Speaker 13: something right. And we looked at it many many years ago,

463
00:39:25,415 --> 00:39:30,255
Speaker 13: and there was In plastering, for example, we have two

464
00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:33,215
Speaker 13: strands and one is the traditional sil of plastering strand

465
00:39:34,015 --> 00:39:37,015
Speaker 13: and then there is the proprietary plaster strand. So the

466
00:39:37,055 --> 00:39:41,495
Speaker 13: proprietary plaster strand is the latest, I suppose, with the

467
00:39:41,215 --> 00:39:44,815
Speaker 13: new technologies and systems over the last twenty five thirty years,

468
00:39:45,495 --> 00:39:50,535
Speaker 13: where the contractors literally supply and install the substrates and

469
00:39:50,575 --> 00:39:54,055
Speaker 13: the flashing suites and then do their their liquid applied

470
00:39:54,415 --> 00:39:58,335
Speaker 13: plastering the to the projects. Whereas back in the day

471
00:39:58,575 --> 00:40:01,575
Speaker 13: the builder was heavily involved with, for example, stucco, they

472
00:40:01,615 --> 00:40:05,855
Speaker 13: would supply the substrate and do all the flashing work

473
00:40:05,895 --> 00:40:08,535
Speaker 13: and things like that, and then equally, even with the

474
00:40:08,575 --> 00:40:11,295
Speaker 13: solid back in the day solid rendering, you would have

475
00:40:11,335 --> 00:40:15,015
Speaker 13: a contractor to do the plastering and then it was

476
00:40:15,095 --> 00:40:16,695
Speaker 13: up to the painter that he was coming through to

477
00:40:16,695 --> 00:40:19,575
Speaker 13: finish the plastering work, to do the ceiling and things

478
00:40:19,615 --> 00:40:23,815
Speaker 13: like that openings and penetrations, whereas nowadays we tried to

479
00:40:24,095 --> 00:40:27,775
Speaker 13: isolate it and make it to a point where one

480
00:40:27,855 --> 00:40:31,735
Speaker 13: contractor is competent and responsible to do the supply and

481
00:40:31,815 --> 00:40:36,215
Speaker 13: install of the flashing, the substrate, the coating systems, etc.

482
00:40:36,535 --> 00:40:38,935
Speaker 13: So you only had one touch point, so to speak,

483
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Speaker 13: in terms of responsibility and warranties and things like that

484
00:40:43,415 --> 00:40:47,335
Speaker 13: from a singular supplier such as ourselves. So it really

485
00:40:47,335 --> 00:40:50,335
Speaker 13: clearly defines where the level of where the responsibilities lay,

486
00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:53,975
Speaker 13: and that happens with a number of other trades as well.

487
00:40:54,055 --> 00:40:56,655
Speaker 13: So you'll have a roofer, for example, it will use

488
00:40:56,695 --> 00:41:00,415
Speaker 13: a specific roofing product and they will align with a

489
00:41:00,455 --> 00:41:03,735
Speaker 13: particular supplier who they know and trust that will provide

490
00:41:03,735 --> 00:41:08,535
Speaker 13: the detailing, the technical support to ensure that the end

491
00:41:08,575 --> 00:41:12,375
Speaker 13: result when they get their trade right, will perform, you know.

492
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Speaker 2: So, and I think that's where, particularly with the resink

493
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Speaker 2: construction system systems, is that you are getting like all

494
00:41:21,695 --> 00:41:23,775
Speaker 2: of the contractors are LBPS, aren't they?

495
00:41:24,455 --> 00:41:24,815
Speaker 4: Correct?

496
00:41:24,855 --> 00:41:26,655
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't sell out the door

497
00:41:26,975 --> 00:41:28,655
Speaker 13: if you want to. If you want something that's a

498
00:41:28,655 --> 00:41:34,255
Speaker 13: restricted restricted applied product or restrict restricted under the Building Act, yes,

499
00:41:34,775 --> 00:41:38,215
Speaker 13: and it requires LBP installation, that's what you're going to get,

500
00:41:38,375 --> 00:41:41,295
Speaker 13: you know. So everyone everyone listed on our website registered

501
00:41:41,335 --> 00:41:45,975
Speaker 13: LBP contractors who then have have staff and employees are

502
00:41:45,975 --> 00:41:48,895
Speaker 13: competent on site to do certain aspects of that particular

503
00:41:49,015 --> 00:41:51,855
Speaker 13: trade and installation and they oversee that and sign that

504
00:41:52,015 --> 00:41:52,695
Speaker 13: sign that off.

505
00:41:53,255 --> 00:41:56,095
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think to the other key point we're

506
00:41:56,095 --> 00:41:59,455
Speaker 2: talking about here is that connection between different trades that

507
00:41:59,455 --> 00:42:03,655
Speaker 2: that you know, inevitably when we see failure, often it

508
00:42:04,175 --> 00:42:08,575
Speaker 2: stems from that disconnect between different trades working in together

509
00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:11,335
Speaker 2: to ensure that the envelope is complete.

510
00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:11,495
Speaker 13: Right.

511
00:42:11,535 --> 00:42:14,175
Speaker 2: If we're talking weather tightness, right, you know, if the

512
00:42:14,255 --> 00:42:16,375
Speaker 2: chippy's not talking to the roof, and the roof is

513
00:42:16,375 --> 00:42:20,055
Speaker 2: not talking to the cladding guy or that sort of thing,

514
00:42:20,255 --> 00:42:23,695
Speaker 2: then you tend to get this disconnect and sometimes failure

515
00:42:23,735 --> 00:42:26,775
Speaker 2: results from that. So I guess the beauty of particularly

516
00:42:26,775 --> 00:42:30,775
Speaker 2: your system is from the wrap out to finished product,

517
00:42:31,295 --> 00:42:33,815
Speaker 2: it's all us, right, We're all linked.

518
00:42:33,535 --> 00:42:38,655
Speaker 13: Together, flashing, ground windows, everything, and on top of that,

519
00:42:39,415 --> 00:42:41,655
Speaker 13: and we introduced this a number year ago, and it's

520
00:42:41,655 --> 00:42:47,055
Speaker 13: a full quite assurance program whereby we review the projects

521
00:42:47,095 --> 00:42:49,535
Speaker 13: that our product is supplied and installed to, and in

522
00:42:49,575 --> 00:42:54,775
Speaker 13: particular two story projects, whereby we review the roof connections

523
00:42:54,855 --> 00:42:58,455
Speaker 13: so to ensure that the diverter flashings from the aprons

524
00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:02,655
Speaker 13: are installed correctly and divert through the cladding line, not

525
00:43:03,415 --> 00:43:04,895
Speaker 13: diverting straight and behind the clouding.

526
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Speaker 8: You know.

527
00:43:05,575 --> 00:43:08,535
Speaker 13: So there's lot and around joordinery installs and lots of

528
00:43:08,575 --> 00:43:10,775
Speaker 13: things that we just do checks and balances on that

529
00:43:10,815 --> 00:43:13,815
Speaker 13: are really just risk details. You generally don't have an

530
00:43:13,815 --> 00:43:15,775
Speaker 13: issue in the middle of a wall without an open

531
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:19,095
Speaker 13: you know, or even if there is these days, you don't.

532
00:43:19,135 --> 00:43:21,175
Speaker 13: But what I'm saying is that when we look at

533
00:43:21,215 --> 00:43:25,175
Speaker 13: these trade coordination issues, they've always been critically important and

534
00:43:25,815 --> 00:43:29,415
Speaker 13: with the reduced level of project management. So if the

535
00:43:29,495 --> 00:43:33,015
Speaker 13: homeowner or the contracting company hasn't engaged a project manager

536
00:43:33,015 --> 00:43:36,815
Speaker 13: to manage those trade relationships, and you generally find it

537
00:43:36,815 --> 00:43:40,415
Speaker 13: the biggest cities speak more of an issue because if

538
00:43:40,415 --> 00:43:42,935
Speaker 13: you're in the smaller regions, you generally know all the trainees,

539
00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:44,935
Speaker 13: so you all know each other and you know what

540
00:43:45,015 --> 00:43:46,495
Speaker 13: jobs are coming up and you can have a chimney

541
00:43:46,575 --> 00:43:49,895
Speaker 13: about this or that or you know, because people are

542
00:43:49,975 --> 00:43:52,735
Speaker 13: very reluctant generally to come back, particularly in a bigger city,

543
00:43:53,215 --> 00:43:55,775
Speaker 13: because they say that's how I've done it, and that's

544
00:43:55,815 --> 00:43:58,495
Speaker 13: always the way it will be, and they're very lucky

545
00:43:58,535 --> 00:44:00,735
Speaker 13: to come back and tidy something up if it hasn't

546
00:44:00,735 --> 00:44:03,175
Speaker 13: been done correctly. So we're just to checks and balances

547
00:44:03,215 --> 00:44:05,815
Speaker 13: at a very early stage in the process so that

548
00:44:05,895 --> 00:44:09,015
Speaker 13: it can be adjusted as required to ensure that there's

549
00:44:09,015 --> 00:44:10,495
Speaker 13: not going to be an issue down the track. And

550
00:44:11,935 --> 00:44:15,295
Speaker 13: I suppose the testament to that in terms of the

551
00:44:15,375 --> 00:44:20,255
Speaker 13: callbacks is very very low in terms of product project installations,

552
00:44:20,695 --> 00:44:23,495
Speaker 13: and it's directly important for surely for the clients when

553
00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:26,415
Speaker 13: they make your decision for their their largest investment.

554
00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:29,615
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, absolutely, mate, I know you've got a

555
00:44:29,655 --> 00:44:33,295
Speaker 2: flight to catch, so really appreciate the insight into that

556
00:44:33,335 --> 00:44:36,935
Speaker 2: part of what's a really critical part of our building envelope.

557
00:44:37,575 --> 00:44:39,575
Speaker 13: Yeah, thank you very You might take in.

558
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Speaker 2: All this, Bob. That's my calls from Razine Construction Systems.

559
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Speaker 2: If you want to know more, Razine Construction dot co

560
00:44:47,775 --> 00:44:51,335
Speaker 2: dot nz. There's great information on the website about how

561
00:44:51,415 --> 00:44:55,335
Speaker 2: the systems all go together and also some inspiration as well.

562
00:44:55,375 --> 00:44:57,855
Speaker 2: If you want to see something that is amazing, check

563
00:44:57,895 --> 00:45:02,175
Speaker 2: it out Razine Construction dot co dot z. We were talking.

564
00:45:02,495 --> 00:45:06,215
Speaker 2: So just just to clarify as well. So within the

565
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Speaker 2: LBP license scheme at the moment as it is, there

566
00:45:10,215 --> 00:45:13,255
Speaker 2: are license classes for brick and block laying, there is

567
00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:17,575
Speaker 2: license classes for carpentry, there's license for design, there's license

568
00:45:17,655 --> 00:45:22,575
Speaker 2: for external plastering, there's license for foundations, there's license for roofing,

569
00:45:22,975 --> 00:45:26,055
Speaker 2: for site, and then there's another one called all which

570
00:45:26,055 --> 00:45:29,215
Speaker 2: is an interesting one. But essentially there are involved in

571
00:45:29,295 --> 00:45:34,135
Speaker 2: the construction and design. There are seven license classes and

572
00:45:34,175 --> 00:45:36,815
Speaker 2: then within that there are some specific details as well

573
00:45:37,015 --> 00:45:40,215
Speaker 2: in terms of design one, two, and three. So depending

574
00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:43,455
Speaker 2: on the size and scope of the building site one,

575
00:45:43,535 --> 00:45:46,455
Speaker 2: two and three, there's only one carpentry license. And I

576
00:45:46,455 --> 00:45:48,855
Speaker 2: think this is if I was going to suggest to

577
00:45:49,255 --> 00:45:52,415
Speaker 2: the who administer this that we could look at doing

578
00:45:52,615 --> 00:45:56,215
Speaker 2: would be to increase the number of carpentry licenses that

579
00:45:56,815 --> 00:46:00,095
Speaker 2: in particular, if we're talking about remote inspections, which has

580
00:46:00,135 --> 00:46:02,615
Speaker 2: been discussed a lot over the last couple of months,

581
00:46:03,855 --> 00:46:09,535
Speaker 2: you know, there is some concern around how much do

582
00:46:09,575 --> 00:46:12,295
Speaker 2: you see on a remote inspection, right and how do

583
00:46:12,375 --> 00:46:15,615
Speaker 2: you know that the person who's guiding you around is

584
00:46:15,655 --> 00:46:18,815
Speaker 2: not deliberately showing you or not showing you things that

585
00:46:18,975 --> 00:46:20,895
Speaker 2: as an inspector you might pick up if you go

586
00:46:20,935 --> 00:46:23,775
Speaker 2: on to site. So I wonder whether within the carpentry

587
00:46:23,815 --> 00:46:26,335
Speaker 2: license they can start to expand that out and have

588
00:46:26,415 --> 00:46:31,215
Speaker 2: carpentry one, two, and three reflect and the number would

589
00:46:31,295 --> 00:46:35,415
Speaker 2: reflect either your competency, your experience, and that sort of thing,

590
00:46:35,775 --> 00:46:39,335
Speaker 2: and that not every LBP has the right to have

591
00:46:39,575 --> 00:46:43,295
Speaker 2: remote inspections, that you have to prove your experience and

592
00:46:43,335 --> 00:46:47,015
Speaker 2: competency to have remote inspections. I think they're a great idea.

593
00:46:47,735 --> 00:46:50,295
Speaker 2: I've done them in the past or had been involved

594
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Speaker 2: in the process. But I can also understand why some

595
00:46:53,295 --> 00:46:56,935
Speaker 2: people are looking at the industry going actually, this might

596
00:46:57,215 --> 00:46:59,735
Speaker 2: not be the best thing for the sector if we

597
00:46:59,815 --> 00:47:02,375
Speaker 2: end up all doing remote inspections. Oh eight hundred and

598
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

599
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Speaker 2: seven twenty seven SA. I'm just thinking too when we

600
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Speaker 2: were talking with Mike from Razine Construction Systems, which is

601
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Speaker 2: part of the Razine Group obviously Razine or also if

602
00:50:35,655 --> 00:50:38,135
Speaker 2: you got it this morning, you either stayed up and

603
00:50:38,135 --> 00:50:41,655
Speaker 2: watched the America's Cup so Team New Zealand against Aenios.

604
00:50:42,015 --> 00:50:45,535
Speaker 2: The first two races were held this morning and it's

605
00:50:45,655 --> 00:50:49,575
Speaker 2: turning up for Emirates Team New Zealand, which is awesome.

606
00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:52,055
Speaker 2: And if you wonder how those boats go as fast

607
00:50:52,095 --> 00:50:54,535
Speaker 2: as they go, well just a small part of it

608
00:50:54,575 --> 00:50:58,055
Speaker 2: is probably the coatings which are actually razine coatings on

609
00:50:58,095 --> 00:51:00,415
Speaker 2: the underside of the boat or the exterior of the boat.

610
00:51:01,175 --> 00:51:05,455
Speaker 2: So remarkable technology and development involved, as you can imagine,

611
00:51:05,455 --> 00:51:09,415
Speaker 2: in making a pain that or a coating system that

612
00:51:09,575 --> 00:51:13,775
Speaker 2: will resist and withstand the enormous pressures the speed the

613
00:51:13,775 --> 00:51:16,375
Speaker 2: boat is going, et cetera, et cetera. So there's some

614
00:51:16,455 --> 00:51:21,295
Speaker 2: fantastic technology New Zealand technology you know, involved in the

615
00:51:21,295 --> 00:51:24,815
Speaker 2: America's Cup boats, certainly with Emirates team New Zealand and

616
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Speaker 2: as it happens. To celebrate this, I am doing a

617
00:51:27,615 --> 00:51:30,375
Speaker 2: little giveaway on my via my Facebook page. So if

618
00:51:30,415 --> 00:51:32,295
Speaker 2: you have a look on my Facebook page, there's a

619
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Speaker 2: couple of questions about the America's Cup boats and about

620
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:41,775
Speaker 2: Razine their involvement with it in terms of the coatings.

621
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Speaker 2: And the prize is a Lego model of Emirates Team

622
00:51:48,615 --> 00:51:51,415
Speaker 2: New Zealand's boat. So I've got three of those to

623
00:51:51,415 --> 00:51:53,055
Speaker 2: give away. You just have to jump on the old

624
00:51:53,495 --> 00:51:56,855
Speaker 2: Razine the resident, build a Facebook page and you'll find

625
00:51:56,855 --> 00:51:59,495
Speaker 2: the information there. Go into the drawer. You have to

626
00:51:59,535 --> 00:52:04,535
Speaker 2: answer three questions, but it's worth it. I've actually seen

627
00:52:04,575 --> 00:52:08,615
Speaker 2: the Lego kit. It is amazing to be fair. So

628
00:52:08,855 --> 00:52:09,935
Speaker 2: if you want to go on the drawer for that,

629
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Speaker 2: check out my Facebook page. Resion't Builder. Oh eight hundred

630
00:52:12,735 --> 00:52:15,495
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Andrew

631
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Speaker 2: a very good morning.

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Speaker 14: Good morning. Yeah can you hear me?

633
00:52:20,695 --> 00:52:21,095
Speaker 2: I can?

634
00:52:22,015 --> 00:52:25,775
Speaker 14: Yes. Just a minor question. I had a roof leak.

635
00:52:26,255 --> 00:52:29,455
Speaker 14: I found the tile, the offending tile. Now the roof

636
00:52:29,495 --> 00:52:32,175
Speaker 14: was under warranty. It's I am allowed to say the

637
00:52:32,215 --> 00:52:33,135
Speaker 14: name of the company or not.

638
00:52:33,495 --> 00:52:38,735
Speaker 2: Ah, probably not necessary, but i'll see. If they were great, yes,

639
00:52:38,775 --> 00:52:42,175
Speaker 2: if they weren't, maybe not. So tell me what happened next.

640
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Speaker 14: Well, I ranged them up, and I said, I've got

641
00:52:45,095 --> 00:52:49,535
Speaker 14: a leak because it came. It came through the ceiling. Yes,

642
00:52:50,095 --> 00:52:53,695
Speaker 14: and I got I actually got a plumber out because

643
00:52:53,735 --> 00:52:58,455
Speaker 14: I thought it was a pipe or something. So they

644
00:52:58,495 --> 00:52:59,335
Speaker 14: cut the big hole.

645
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Speaker 15: Oh yes, and.

646
00:53:05,895 --> 00:53:10,655
Speaker 14: We were well, actually I actually rang rang them up.

647
00:53:10,655 --> 00:53:13,735
Speaker 14: We could see we'd actually put the hose on the top.

648
00:53:14,175 --> 00:53:16,735
Speaker 14: We could see it was coming through. It was the

649
00:53:16,815 --> 00:53:21,815
Speaker 14: porous tile. It was coming through the tile quite quite steadily.

650
00:53:23,535 --> 00:53:25,135
Speaker 14: So so what I rang up?

651
00:53:25,455 --> 00:53:27,815
Speaker 2: What type of roof is your roof?

652
00:53:27,895 --> 00:53:28,375
Speaker 4: The tile?

653
00:53:28,935 --> 00:53:31,935
Speaker 2: So concrete tile, concrete tile.

654
00:53:32,175 --> 00:53:36,855
Speaker 14: Yeah, So so I rang the company up. I won't

655
00:53:36,895 --> 00:53:41,655
Speaker 14: mention the name. They They sent one of their guys

656
00:53:41,775 --> 00:53:47,855
Speaker 14: round and they took they took the offending tile away,

657
00:53:49,135 --> 00:53:51,935
Speaker 14: and the tower they bought was a slightly different color color.

658
00:53:52,415 --> 00:53:55,455
Speaker 14: They took one which you couldn't see around the back

659
00:53:55,815 --> 00:53:58,615
Speaker 14: and put that there. It was highly visible. And then

660
00:53:58,615 --> 00:54:03,455
Speaker 14: they did a swap. But they didn't offer to pay

661
00:54:03,615 --> 00:54:09,495
Speaker 14: for the work to Yeah, good back. Yeah, now I

662
00:54:09,495 --> 00:54:12,295
Speaker 14: thought they should do you think they should have paid

663
00:54:12,335 --> 00:54:15,655
Speaker 14: for that as well, or just they just guarantee the title,

664
00:54:15,735 --> 00:54:17,055
Speaker 14: they don't pay for the damage.

665
00:54:17,135 --> 00:54:18,495
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is go.

666
00:54:18,535 --> 00:54:21,895
Speaker 14: Through the insurance company because it was hundred thousands.

667
00:54:21,975 --> 00:54:27,815
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can. Given that they didn't cut a

668
00:54:27,855 --> 00:54:30,695
Speaker 2: hole in the ceiling to find the leak, they would

669
00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:33,375
Speaker 2: probably argue you didn't need to cut a hole in

670
00:54:33,415 --> 00:54:35,535
Speaker 2: the ceiling to find the leak, right, we would if

671
00:54:35,575 --> 00:54:38,015
Speaker 2: you had a contradicted us first, we would have found it.

672
00:54:40,255 --> 00:54:42,935
Speaker 2: That would be their argument. And I think there's something

673
00:54:43,095 --> 00:54:49,575
Speaker 2: more about damages and pieces. But at the same time,

674
00:54:49,815 --> 00:54:53,895
Speaker 2: you know, I suppose for their reputation, if they had

675
00:54:53,895 --> 00:54:56,295
Speaker 2: to said to you, look, you know, give us your

676
00:54:56,295 --> 00:54:58,695
Speaker 2: bank account and we'll put five hundred bucks in or

677
00:54:58,735 --> 00:55:01,055
Speaker 2: something like that, you would probably feel a lot better

678
00:55:01,095 --> 00:55:03,175
Speaker 2: about it as well. I have to say it is

679
00:55:03,335 --> 00:55:10,135
Speaker 2: extremely unusual for a an individual tile to leak like Seriously,

680
00:55:10,295 --> 00:55:13,655
Speaker 2: I've to be fear I've never actually heard of it before.

681
00:55:14,615 --> 00:55:17,135
Speaker 14: Well I saw it with my very own eyes and

682
00:55:18,095 --> 00:55:21,175
Speaker 14: I could see it slipping through, you know. And and

683
00:55:21,655 --> 00:55:25,015
Speaker 14: what what I've done since, because I actually bought the

684
00:55:25,015 --> 00:55:27,815
Speaker 14: house of a friend of mine and he showed some

685
00:55:27,895 --> 00:55:30,855
Speaker 14: concerns he's a friend to what he did, because it's

686
00:55:30,935 --> 00:55:35,135
Speaker 14: like a roof on another roof. And what he did

687
00:55:36,335 --> 00:55:38,735
Speaker 14: that the top past of the roof has got a

688
00:55:38,775 --> 00:55:42,295
Speaker 14: gutter to What he did he where the where the

689
00:55:42,335 --> 00:55:46,415
Speaker 14: pipe goes down that the rain would run in a

690
00:55:46,455 --> 00:55:49,215
Speaker 14: straight line over the bottom part of the roof to

691
00:55:49,255 --> 00:55:53,375
Speaker 14: the next guttering. What he did he put he put

692
00:55:53,375 --> 00:55:59,695
Speaker 14: a hose pipe on where the drain is was so

693
00:55:59,775 --> 00:56:02,935
Speaker 14: instead of the water running physically over the world, it

694
00:56:03,015 --> 00:56:06,975
Speaker 14: went through the pipe to the lower part of the guttering.

695
00:56:07,935 --> 00:56:11,255
Speaker 2: It's not you're not painting a particularly pretty picture.

696
00:56:11,295 --> 00:56:14,055
Speaker 14: I have to say no, But I'm just saying what

697
00:56:14,095 --> 00:56:14,695
Speaker 14: the facts are.

698
00:56:14,855 --> 00:56:17,295
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I just it all

699
00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:21,815
Speaker 2: sounds a bit hokey. I'm intrigued about the warranty. So

700
00:56:21,895 --> 00:56:23,295
Speaker 2: when was the roof installed.

701
00:56:25,895 --> 00:56:29,055
Speaker 14: It was two thousand and so it's a bird new

702
00:56:29,095 --> 00:56:33,095
Speaker 14: house and it happened about five years ago. Okay, So,

703
00:56:33,575 --> 00:56:35,975
Speaker 14: but they gave a fifty year warranty on the certificate.

704
00:56:36,615 --> 00:56:42,975
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, that's awesome. Hey, look, I'm pleased that sorted.

705
00:56:43,735 --> 00:56:46,135
Speaker 2: I think you've got very little chance of getting any

706
00:56:46,295 --> 00:56:51,095
Speaker 2: money out of them for damages. It'll just be one

707
00:56:51,135 --> 00:56:53,575
Speaker 2: of those things'll it'll take more time and energy than

708
00:56:53,575 --> 00:56:55,895
Speaker 2: it's worth by the sound of it. But I can

709
00:56:55,935 --> 00:56:58,335
Speaker 2: also understand your frustration. Appreciate the call.

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00:56:58,375 --> 00:56:58,655
Speaker 1: Andrew.

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00:56:58,655 --> 00:57:00,535
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

712
00:57:00,535 --> 00:57:02,375
Speaker 2: to call. We'll take short break. We'll talk to Jack

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00:57:02,495 --> 00:57:03,375
Speaker 2: in just a moment.

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01:00:05,495 --> 01:00:05,695
Speaker 8: Yes.

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01:00:17,335 --> 01:00:22,135
Speaker 2: Fantastic text from Nick regarding remote inspections. You start now

716
01:00:22,175 --> 01:00:25,215
Speaker 2: and you create a register. Every time an LBP has

717
01:00:25,215 --> 01:00:29,135
Speaker 2: an inspection, you receive a rating depending on how much

718
01:00:29,255 --> 01:00:31,855
Speaker 2: or what you might fail on say a five star system.

719
01:00:32,175 --> 01:00:35,335
Speaker 2: A one star rated LBP still has to have on

720
01:00:35,415 --> 01:00:39,095
Speaker 2: side inspections, whereas a five star LBP will be able

721
01:00:39,135 --> 01:00:42,295
Speaker 2: to do remote inspections with a random on side inspection

722
01:00:42,735 --> 01:00:45,855
Speaker 2: every fifth or so. Build to keep your rankings. They

723
01:00:45,895 --> 01:00:49,615
Speaker 2: did it with truck cofos COFs a few years ago,

724
01:00:49,655 --> 01:00:51,895
Speaker 2: where everyone you've got a ranking depending on how often

725
01:00:52,015 --> 01:00:56,775
Speaker 2: you failed or road side inspections. Cheers from Nick Genius,

726
01:00:57,495 --> 01:01:07,455
Speaker 2: Nick Genius, I think it's a great idea, staggeringly good idea.

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01:01:07,575 --> 01:01:08,215
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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01:01:08,335 --> 01:01:08,495
Speaker 16: Nick.

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01:01:08,615 --> 01:01:10,495
Speaker 2: I like that idea. I'll tell you the other thing

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01:01:10,535 --> 01:01:12,855
Speaker 2: just quickly, on the LBP thing that I'm a little

731
01:01:13,015 --> 01:01:15,255
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they haven't focused on a little bit more.

732
01:01:16,295 --> 01:01:19,255
Speaker 2: Is typically the way it works is on your first

733
01:01:19,335 --> 01:01:23,375
Speaker 2: inspection with council, council will want to know who the

734
01:01:23,495 --> 01:01:26,655
Speaker 2: LBP is, right, and so you have to present your

735
01:01:26,655 --> 01:01:29,895
Speaker 2: license to them, and then you're registered. Let's say is

736
01:01:29,975 --> 01:01:33,495
Speaker 2: the building LBP for that job, And there may well

737
01:01:33,535 --> 01:01:37,095
Speaker 2: be multiple, but one person gets registered at the beginning,

738
01:01:39,255 --> 01:01:42,615
Speaker 2: and in some cases, you know the wording of it

739
01:01:42,695 --> 01:01:46,535
Speaker 2: is you either did or supervised the work. So it

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01:01:46,615 --> 01:01:51,735
Speaker 2: is quite possible that a carpentry LBP may well be

741
01:01:51,855 --> 01:01:55,735
Speaker 2: supervising more than one job, which is okay, But I

742
01:01:55,775 --> 01:01:58,615
Speaker 2: think there's a practical limit to the number of jobs

743
01:01:58,655 --> 01:02:02,375
Speaker 2: that you can supervise. So my sense is that there

744
01:02:02,455 --> 01:02:05,895
Speaker 2: should be a limit to the number of building consents

745
01:02:05,935 --> 01:02:09,135
Speaker 2: active of building consents that are registered against your name

746
01:02:09,295 --> 01:02:10,975
Speaker 2: and look with AI and all the rest of it

747
01:02:11,015 --> 01:02:14,335
Speaker 2: these days, that shouldn't be hard to figure out. So

748
01:02:14,535 --> 01:02:19,215
Speaker 2: if you end up as an LBP supervising allegedly let's

749
01:02:19,255 --> 01:02:22,335
Speaker 2: say more than ten live consents, I don't believe you

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01:02:22,375 --> 01:02:26,375
Speaker 2: can do that properly, right, that would be my sense.

751
01:02:26,815 --> 01:02:30,615
Speaker 2: So that should be something that they could look at

752
01:02:30,655 --> 01:02:34,175
Speaker 2: as well, because you can't tell you I've heard of

753
01:02:34,215 --> 01:02:37,295
Speaker 2: stories where you know, one lbp will be working in

754
01:02:37,295 --> 01:02:41,175
Speaker 2: a street doing twenty houses where you can't supervise twenty jobs.

755
01:02:41,495 --> 01:02:44,415
Speaker 2: You just can't. So maybe that's another thing that they

756
01:02:44,415 --> 01:02:46,855
Speaker 2: should look at in terms of checks and balances. Oh eight,

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01:02:46,855 --> 01:02:48,855
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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01:02:48,855 --> 01:02:50,695
Speaker 2: call Jack A very good morning to you.

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01:02:52,375 --> 01:02:53,135
Speaker 17: Hey Jack morning.

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01:02:53,215 --> 01:02:58,055
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm worrying about a faded color steel roof.

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01:02:58,335 --> 01:02:58,615
Speaker 19: Yep.

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01:02:59,335 --> 01:03:01,615
Speaker 18: It was when I bought the house about seven years

763
01:03:01,615 --> 01:03:04,335
Speaker 18: at the house is about twenty years old.

764
01:03:05,975 --> 01:03:07,175
Speaker 14: Was color steel.

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01:03:06,935 --> 01:03:07,895
Speaker 18: Starting to fade?

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01:03:08,135 --> 01:03:08,415
Speaker 13: Yep?

767
01:03:08,935 --> 01:03:12,775
Speaker 18: And now it's sort of gone to a light flight

768
01:03:12,895 --> 01:03:18,255
Speaker 18: all over. Yes, I have seen them in ash Burton

769
01:03:18,375 --> 01:03:21,855
Speaker 18: the same, right, I wrong about it. They said it

770
01:03:21,935 --> 01:03:26,295
Speaker 18: needed to be acid cleaned and then an undercoat in

771
01:03:26,375 --> 01:03:32,415
Speaker 18: the top coat, but the local painters wouldn't do it, right,

772
01:03:33,615 --> 01:03:36,415
Speaker 18: Do you know anything about the Yeah, I mean.

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01:03:38,295 --> 01:03:41,175
Speaker 2: There have been cases in the last twenty odd years

774
01:03:41,295 --> 01:03:45,655
Speaker 2: where the coating the actual coating. Now it's really important

775
01:03:45,695 --> 01:03:49,895
Speaker 2: too that we distinguish between different brands because color steel

776
01:03:50,735 --> 01:03:54,055
Speaker 2: has become a generic term that we use for any

777
01:03:54,295 --> 01:03:58,855
Speaker 2: color coated iron, right, and it might be in any

778
01:03:59,135 --> 01:04:03,095
Speaker 2: number of different profiles. Corrugated st nine hundred whatever. Right,

779
01:04:04,015 --> 01:04:07,175
Speaker 2: So the coil is coated and then it's into different

780
01:04:07,215 --> 01:04:11,255
Speaker 2: profiles for roofing. There has been over the years examples

781
01:04:11,295 --> 01:04:15,735
Speaker 2: where that coating system has effectively failed in the sense

782
01:04:15,775 --> 01:04:18,615
Speaker 2: that it hasn't held its color for as long as

783
01:04:18,655 --> 01:04:22,695
Speaker 2: it should, and in some cases the manufacturer has come

784
01:04:22,735 --> 01:04:27,455
Speaker 2: back and said, okay, well we'll address that, we'll pay

785
01:04:27,495 --> 01:04:30,935
Speaker 2: for a recoating. I think your situation is slightly different,

786
01:04:31,015 --> 01:04:34,615
Speaker 2: where given its age and the fact that it has

787
01:04:34,695 --> 01:04:38,055
Speaker 2: lost some of its color, it becomes probably more of

788
01:04:38,095 --> 01:04:41,535
Speaker 2: a maintenance issue than a warranty issue, in which case,

789
01:04:42,335 --> 01:04:46,015
Speaker 2: like listening to our Razine painting experts Jay and Bryce

790
01:04:46,055 --> 01:04:49,815
Speaker 2: when they're on the show, there's a specific primer that

791
01:04:49,895 --> 01:04:56,215
Speaker 2: you use onto pre coated metal roofing, and then a

792
01:04:56,295 --> 01:04:58,895
Speaker 2: roof paint that will adhere to that afterwards.

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01:04:58,975 --> 01:04:59,135
Speaker 13: Right.

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01:05:00,335 --> 01:05:02,695
Speaker 2: And it might just mean that if some of your

795
01:05:02,775 --> 01:05:04,975
Speaker 2: local painters in your town don't do it, you might

796
01:05:05,015 --> 01:05:07,415
Speaker 2: have to get someone from slow the outside of the

797
01:05:07,495 --> 01:05:10,415
Speaker 2: village to come and do that. But a thorough washed

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01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:14,175
Speaker 2: down the right primer and a top coat will at

799
01:05:14,295 --> 01:05:16,655
Speaker 2: least give you a color that doesn't look as patchy

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01:05:16,655 --> 01:05:17,775
Speaker 2: as yours does right now.

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01:05:19,815 --> 01:05:21,375
Speaker 18: Thanks for that trouble at all.

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01:05:21,895 --> 01:05:24,495
Speaker 2: Easy nice, take care of Jack. All the best thaid

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01:05:24,535 --> 01:05:27,615
Speaker 2: bye Bay. Oh wait, it's really important, you know, because

804
01:05:27,615 --> 01:05:29,655
Speaker 2: it's one of those things. It's like when you say

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01:05:29,695 --> 01:05:32,135
Speaker 2: we're jibbing the wall, Well, that's you would only be

806
01:05:32,175 --> 01:05:35,855
Speaker 2: jibbing the wall if you were using jib plasterboard. But

807
01:05:35,935 --> 01:05:39,535
Speaker 2: there are different types of plasterboard. And in the same way,

808
01:05:39,575 --> 01:05:41,655
Speaker 2: people often talk about, oh, it's a color steel roof,

809
01:05:42,055 --> 01:05:46,295
Speaker 2: but color steel is one specific brand. It is possibly

810
01:05:46,815 --> 01:05:49,975
Speaker 2: arguably one of the more popular brands out there in

811
01:05:50,055 --> 01:05:54,455
Speaker 2: terms of a manufacturer of color coated steel that is

812
01:05:54,495 --> 01:05:57,575
Speaker 2: then use for roofing. But it's not the only one,

813
01:05:57,615 --> 01:05:59,095
Speaker 2: so I've got to be really careful about that. Oh

814
01:05:59,095 --> 01:06:01,655
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

815
01:06:01,735 --> 01:06:03,215
Speaker 2: I think we'll take a break. We'll be back in a.

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01:06:03,175 --> 01:09:09,935
Speaker 12: Mowat us.

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Speaker 2: Today. I'm joined by Scott Matthews, chief executive of Easy

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01:09:24,255 --> 01:09:28,295
Speaker 2: Build Homes, a company knowen for delivering high quality, modular

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01:09:28,335 --> 01:09:30,975
Speaker 2: homes that are perfect for key we living. Two key

820
01:09:31,055 --> 01:09:35,095
Speaker 2: materials in these affordable homes are jayframe and tryboard, both

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01:09:35,135 --> 01:09:38,255
Speaker 2: playing a significant role in their construction very good morning

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01:09:38,255 --> 01:09:38,815
Speaker 2: to you, Scott.

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Speaker 10: Good morning.

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01:09:40,335 --> 01:09:42,455
Speaker 2: Now let's start with the jaframe. Tell us why you

825
01:09:42,535 --> 01:09:44,215
Speaker 2: chose it over other options.

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Speaker 17: Yep, we're using jaframe for a number of reasons. We

827
01:09:48,375 --> 01:09:53,335
Speaker 17: found it to be incredibly structurally sound. We really love

828
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Speaker 17: the fact that it's dimensionally accurate, and our teams out

829
01:09:57,855 --> 01:09:59,895
Speaker 17: on site and our team in the factory also love

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01:09:59,935 --> 01:10:01,175
Speaker 17: the fact that it's factory dry.

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Speaker 2: Now, builders can be we can be a little bit

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01:10:04,975 --> 01:10:07,615
Speaker 2: hesitant to try materials. What would you say to encourage

833
01:10:07,655 --> 01:10:09,055
Speaker 2: them to give jframe a go?

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Speaker 17: Yep, great question. We've actually found that once we've introduced

835
01:10:14,695 --> 01:10:18,735
Speaker 17: jframe to our teams across the country, when we've had

836
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Speaker 17: an incident where it was unavailable during COVID et cetera,

837
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Speaker 17: our teams have actually gone slightly madden, gone on the

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01:10:24,975 --> 01:10:29,135
Speaker 17: phone complaining about us not using it. So my advice

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Speaker 17: would be to sort of give it a try, and

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01:10:31,295 --> 01:10:33,935
Speaker 17: I don't think the guys would look back. It's a

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01:10:34,095 --> 01:10:35,375
Speaker 17: very very robust product.

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01:10:35,775 --> 01:10:38,615
Speaker 2: Another important component of the Easy Build houses is the

843
01:10:38,695 --> 01:10:42,135
Speaker 2: use of triboard, so it's quite versatile for you. What

844
01:10:42,255 --> 01:10:45,055
Speaker 2: specific implications are you using it for in the Easy

845
01:10:45,055 --> 01:10:46,855
Speaker 2: Build homes yep.

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Speaker 17: So we're using it for two things pieces. So number one,

847
01:10:50,415 --> 01:10:55,375
Speaker 17: we use it to aligne pre prepared modular external wall

848
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Speaker 17: panels so it forms the inside of those panels. And

849
01:10:59,375 --> 01:11:03,415
Speaker 17: then in addition we use the fifteen mil tryboard on

850
01:11:03,655 --> 01:11:06,855
Speaker 17: the ceilings which gives a lovely, lovely fish when the

851
01:11:06,895 --> 01:11:07,735
Speaker 17: house is completed.

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01:11:08,295 --> 01:11:11,775
Speaker 2: Now, key advantages for triboard in these easy build homes.

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01:11:12,935 --> 01:11:16,975
Speaker 17: I think there's a couple essentially that's very very robust,

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01:11:17,015 --> 01:11:20,015
Speaker 17: So it allows us to have a modular approach and

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01:11:20,095 --> 01:11:24,975
Speaker 17: a ship the wall les completed around the country as

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01:11:25,015 --> 01:11:28,495
Speaker 17: we do. The other thing as well is we do

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01:11:28,615 --> 01:11:31,855
Speaker 17: quite a number of homes that are tenanters. We've done

858
01:11:31,895 --> 01:11:35,455
Speaker 17: some social housing with the beach houses. We're finding that

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01:11:35,575 --> 01:11:38,335
Speaker 17: a number of clients are actually asking to remove the

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01:11:38,495 --> 01:11:42,975
Speaker 17: jip from the internal walls actually replace it. We do

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01:11:43,175 --> 01:11:45,895
Speaker 17: con triboard because they like the robust nature of the

862
01:11:45,895 --> 01:11:47,855
Speaker 17: product and the look and finch.

863
01:11:48,935 --> 01:11:52,215
Speaker 2: In terms of you know, the environment and cost are

864
01:11:52,215 --> 01:11:55,135
Speaker 2: really important things. What's the impact there of using triboard.

865
01:11:56,295 --> 01:11:57,455
Speaker 11: Yeap from.

866
01:11:59,055 --> 01:12:01,255
Speaker 17: It was very very neutral to our business, which of

867
01:12:01,295 --> 01:12:04,535
Speaker 17: course is a positive when you're trying to create affordable housing. Sure,

868
01:12:05,015 --> 01:12:08,855
Speaker 17: and we you know, enjoy the fact that you can

869
01:12:08,975 --> 01:12:14,295
Speaker 17: have an environmental policy and it's all f C Grater

870
01:12:14,495 --> 01:12:17,255
Speaker 17: timber as well, which is really good from an environmental

871
01:12:17,255 --> 01:12:19,695
Speaker 17: and a green aspect, because that's quite important to our

872
01:12:19,695 --> 01:12:20,375
Speaker 17: clients as well.

873
01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:20,735
Speaker 13: Yeah.

874
01:12:20,735 --> 01:12:25,135
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Now, in terms of the benefits for triboard maintenance longevity,

875
01:12:25,295 --> 01:12:27,415
Speaker 2: the robustness is key, isn't it.

876
01:12:28,295 --> 01:12:32,935
Speaker 17: Yeah, it is it is. You know, there are sometimes

877
01:12:33,015 --> 01:12:36,295
Speaker 17: concerns from clients in terms of well it is so robust,

878
01:12:36,375 --> 01:12:39,775
Speaker 17: what do we do if something happens right? And I

879
01:12:39,775 --> 01:12:42,455
Speaker 17: think the product is so robust that there is very

880
01:12:42,495 --> 01:12:46,175
Speaker 17: little that can happen to it. So we've had very

881
01:12:46,255 --> 01:12:49,455
Speaker 17: very positive feedback and we've also used it in social

882
01:12:49,495 --> 01:12:52,455
Speaker 17: housing as well, where the clients have just wanted to

883
01:12:52,575 --> 01:12:56,295
Speaker 17: ensure that they have sort of reduced maintenance costs. So

884
01:12:56,335 --> 01:12:59,575
Speaker 17: it's better application, fantastic.

885
01:12:59,615 --> 01:13:02,455
Speaker 2: If people want to find out more, check it out online.

886
01:13:02,495 --> 01:13:04,775
Speaker 2: So have a look for easy build Homes. You'll find

887
01:13:04,775 --> 01:13:07,895
Speaker 2: it at easybuild dot code z. To learn a bit

888
01:13:07,935 --> 01:13:11,175
Speaker 2: more about jay frame and tryboard, then go to JNL

889
01:13:11,255 --> 01:13:13,455
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz. Scott thanks for your.

890
01:13:13,295 --> 01:13:15,895
Speaker 13: Time, Thanks, goodbye, take care.

891
01:13:16,455 --> 01:13:21,375
Speaker 2: Another fantastic text that's just come through as well, Morning Pete.

892
01:13:21,375 --> 01:13:23,775
Speaker 2: I've been carrying out remote inspections now for four years

893
01:13:23,815 --> 01:13:26,575
Speaker 2: and I can say it works well in most circumstances.

894
01:13:26,935 --> 01:13:29,295
Speaker 2: And it's only done after we have built up a

895
01:13:29,295 --> 01:13:33,055
Speaker 2: good rapport with the builder and his previous on site inspections.

896
01:13:33,415 --> 01:13:36,575
Speaker 2: We don't do it for everyone yet. There needs to

897
01:13:36,615 --> 01:13:39,295
Speaker 2: be some checks and balances put in place first regards

898
01:13:39,295 --> 01:13:44,775
Speaker 2: from Craig who is involved in compliance with a building

899
01:13:44,815 --> 01:13:52,135
Speaker 2: consent authority. So TBA and I have to say that

900
01:13:52,175 --> 01:13:54,015
Speaker 2: a number of us in the industry kind of freaked

901
01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:59,935
Speaker 2: out when the proposal was that they should become the norm,

902
01:14:00,375 --> 01:14:05,455
Speaker 2: Like essentially remote inspections will become how inspections are done

903
01:14:05,575 --> 01:14:10,175
Speaker 2: rather than how they could be done. Maybe that'll change. Oh,

904
01:14:10,215 --> 01:14:11,975
Speaker 2: eight d eighty the number to call.

905
01:14:12,055 --> 01:14:19,175
Speaker 20: Hello John, Yes, hey John, I'll clear. Look, my granddaughter's

906
01:14:19,175 --> 01:14:22,575
Speaker 20: got a thirties bungalow with that it's got bay windows,

907
01:14:22,775 --> 01:14:26,095
Speaker 20: and it's got wooden what do you call it, wooden

908
01:14:26,175 --> 01:14:29,415
Speaker 20: tiles small screw wooden tiles above you know, which are

909
01:14:29,455 --> 01:14:33,815
Speaker 20: absolutely rotten. And I was suggesting the cheapest way and

910
01:14:33,975 --> 01:14:36,375
Speaker 20: to hear and the easiest way would be to maybe

911
01:14:36,455 --> 01:14:38,335
Speaker 20: get rid of the tires or even put on top

912
01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:44,215
Speaker 20: of them just a sheet of galvanized flat iron. But

913
01:14:44,255 --> 01:14:45,975
Speaker 20: I'm just wondering how you get on with the flashing

914
01:14:45,975 --> 01:14:50,975
Speaker 20: because it's rough cars, you know, where it goes up

915
01:14:50,975 --> 01:14:51,295
Speaker 20: into the.

916
01:14:52,215 --> 01:14:57,175
Speaker 2: Oh, no, that does get really tricky trying to cut

917
01:14:57,175 --> 01:14:58,935
Speaker 2: in a new flashing into that area.

918
01:15:00,255 --> 01:15:02,175
Speaker 20: Are they normally cutting, are they at an angle or

919
01:15:02,175 --> 01:15:02,575
Speaker 20: something else?

920
01:15:02,615 --> 01:15:05,295
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's sort of the only way that you

921
01:15:05,335 --> 01:15:07,495
Speaker 2: can do it where you're trying to get like an

922
01:15:07,495 --> 01:15:09,935
Speaker 2: apron flashing in. So you'd cut a line with a

923
01:15:09,975 --> 01:15:14,935
Speaker 2: diamond blade, you know, with on an angle grinder, make

924
01:15:14,975 --> 01:15:17,535
Speaker 2: a slot into the plaster work, have your flashing come

925
01:15:17,615 --> 01:15:20,575
Speaker 2: up with a little fold on it that fits into

926
01:15:20,575 --> 01:15:23,335
Speaker 2: the air, and then a silicon sealant. But it's to

927
01:15:23,375 --> 01:15:26,295
Speaker 2: be fair, it's not an ideal situation. Ideally, you know,

928
01:15:26,335 --> 01:15:29,735
Speaker 2: you'd have your flashing extending up underneath the cladding and

929
01:15:29,775 --> 01:15:32,375
Speaker 2: the cladding coming down over the top by fifty millimeters.

930
01:15:32,455 --> 01:15:35,295
Speaker 2: But if it's it's a little bit like if you

931
01:15:35,335 --> 01:15:39,255
Speaker 2: look at flashing sometimes on brick chimneys, and you know,

932
01:15:39,335 --> 01:15:41,775
Speaker 2: the original ones are often set into the mortar. New

933
01:15:41,815 --> 01:15:45,295
Speaker 2: ones will often describe a line cut it into the

934
01:15:46,415 --> 01:15:50,975
Speaker 2: brick and silicon seal it. But you've really got to

935
01:15:51,015 --> 01:15:54,415
Speaker 2: pay careful attention to how you detail that. And sorry

936
01:15:55,895 --> 01:15:57,855
Speaker 2: very quickly. So it's a cedar shingle roof.

937
01:15:59,695 --> 01:16:03,175
Speaker 20: I don't know what the timbers I am actually seen it,

938
01:16:02,935 --> 01:16:05,935
Speaker 20: but it is timber yees small, they're about probably five

939
01:16:05,975 --> 01:16:07,375
Speaker 20: inches square.

940
01:16:08,095 --> 01:16:12,735
Speaker 2: Okay, craky just now, I've got to go for the news.

941
01:16:12,775 --> 01:16:15,575
Speaker 2: But I think be really careful about adding another roof

942
01:16:15,655 --> 01:16:18,895
Speaker 2: over an existing one because these are shues there around condensation.

943
01:16:20,295 --> 01:23:27,215
Speaker 16: H utah.

944
01:23:01,375 --> 01:26:05,335
Speaker 2: Uta, your new succeed by pet Wolf came Ris and

945
01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,495
Speaker 2: I build it with you the morning right through tall

946
01:26:07,615 --> 01:26:10,055
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Rud climb past will join us at eight

947
01:26:10,215 --> 01:26:13,655
Speaker 2: thirty if so. If you have any gardening or entopological questions,

948
01:26:14,095 --> 01:26:16,615
Speaker 2: wonderful World of Bugs. Rud will be with us at

949
01:26:16,615 --> 01:26:19,175
Speaker 2: around eight thirty this morning. Oh eight hundred and eighty

950
01:26:19,255 --> 01:26:21,615
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call right now if

951
01:26:21,615 --> 01:26:26,415
Speaker 2: you've got a building construction related question. We'll take your

952
01:26:26,455 --> 01:26:28,495
Speaker 2: calls right now. Nick, thanks for waiting in A very

953
01:26:28,495 --> 01:26:31,375
Speaker 2: good morning to you our good morning.

954
01:26:31,615 --> 01:26:35,575
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Pete, no trouble. We have a

955
01:26:35,615 --> 01:26:38,855
Speaker 5: twelve year old house that we moved into after building it,

956
01:26:39,455 --> 01:26:42,855
Speaker 5: and the last three months or so we've noticed when

957
01:26:42,895 --> 01:26:45,775
Speaker 5: we flush either of the two toilets, there's a knocking

958
01:26:45,815 --> 01:26:47,935
Speaker 5: sound at the end of the flush, yep, And I

959
01:26:48,015 --> 01:26:50,215
Speaker 5: just wondered if it was something that we could have

960
01:26:50,215 --> 01:26:52,215
Speaker 5: a crack at a thing, or whether it might need

961
01:26:52,255 --> 01:26:52,695
Speaker 5: a plumber.

962
01:26:52,735 --> 01:26:56,335
Speaker 2: In the knocking sound, it doesn't come from the system

963
01:26:56,455 --> 01:27:00,455
Speaker 2: or from the toilet suitet itself. It's from the wall nearby.

964
01:27:01,135 --> 01:27:02,415
Speaker 5: Yet sounds like that. You can sort of here it

965
01:27:02,495 --> 01:27:05,215
Speaker 5: slightly reverberate, yes, since you're in another part of the

966
01:27:05,255 --> 01:27:05,815
Speaker 5: house too.

967
01:27:06,375 --> 01:27:10,015
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of things there. One apparently is

968
01:27:10,335 --> 01:27:14,175
Speaker 2: a thing called water hammer, which is where you have

969
01:27:15,895 --> 01:27:18,575
Speaker 2: I guess, as water is draining out of the system,

970
01:27:18,615 --> 01:27:23,055
Speaker 2: more water comes along and that clashes, and that can

971
01:27:23,135 --> 01:27:28,215
Speaker 2: be fixed with sometimes a pressure reduction valve and that

972
01:27:28,255 --> 01:27:32,455
Speaker 2: sort of thing. What might be more difficult to fix

973
01:27:32,735 --> 01:27:36,455
Speaker 2: is if you look at how plumbers will pipe out

974
01:27:36,455 --> 01:27:40,975
Speaker 2: a house now before pre line. Let's say, you know,

975
01:27:41,015 --> 01:27:43,695
Speaker 2: because obviously the pipes run down through the knogs and

976
01:27:43,695 --> 01:27:47,375
Speaker 2: across studs and so on, so plumbers will typically once

977
01:27:47,415 --> 01:27:50,695
Speaker 2: they finish the pipe out before the lining happens, they'll

978
01:27:50,735 --> 01:27:54,335
Speaker 2: put a bead of sealant around the all of those

979
01:27:54,415 --> 01:28:00,215
Speaker 2: penetrations through the timberwork, because obviously as pressure varies, those

980
01:28:00,255 --> 01:28:04,015
Speaker 2: pipes will move, they'll flex, and to stop them knocking

981
01:28:04,175 --> 01:28:06,855
Speaker 2: against the timber, they'll do a bead of sealant. Now,

982
01:28:06,895 --> 01:28:09,495
Speaker 2: if they haven't done a bead of sealant there and

983
01:28:09,615 --> 01:28:12,295
Speaker 2: the pipe is actually just knocking against the timber, and

984
01:28:12,335 --> 01:28:15,735
Speaker 2: that's what you hear, that's not an easy fix because

985
01:28:15,775 --> 01:28:17,575
Speaker 2: the only way to fix it is to get to

986
01:28:17,775 --> 01:28:24,215
Speaker 2: that specific location, open it up, and fit some sealant there. Right, Okay,

987
01:28:24,735 --> 01:28:28,455
Speaker 2: So really it does come down to what is the

988
01:28:28,495 --> 01:28:30,935
Speaker 2: source of the noise and what the issue is.

989
01:28:31,135 --> 01:28:34,935
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think it's strange that it's only just

990
01:28:35,015 --> 01:28:36,855
Speaker 5: started to happen having been in the house, you know,

991
01:28:36,975 --> 01:28:38,775
Speaker 5: as to say you said coming up twelve years that

992
01:28:39,295 --> 01:28:41,695
Speaker 5: you know, it's not something we've noticed prior to all

993
01:28:42,575 --> 01:28:43,815
Speaker 5: to a few months ago, So.

994
01:28:45,615 --> 01:28:48,895
Speaker 2: It would be worth getting a plumber, you know, ideally

995
01:28:49,215 --> 01:28:53,335
Speaker 2: kind of an older experienced one to come in. I

996
01:28:53,375 --> 01:28:57,135
Speaker 2: mean twelve years. It's not brand new, but it's also

997
01:28:57,215 --> 01:28:59,335
Speaker 2: not that old. So yes, it's a little bit surprising

998
01:28:59,335 --> 01:29:01,775
Speaker 2: that it starts to happen. Certainly it was common practice

999
01:29:01,815 --> 01:29:05,535
Speaker 2: in terms of putting a sealant or bead of silicon

1000
01:29:05,855 --> 01:29:09,055
Speaker 2: to act essentially as a shock absorber around the pipe

1001
01:29:09,095 --> 01:29:12,655
Speaker 2: through the timber would have been commonplace twelve years ago,

1002
01:29:12,735 --> 01:29:15,015
Speaker 2: so I would have expected that they would have done it.

1003
01:29:15,655 --> 01:29:23,135
Speaker 2: The other thing, excuse me just a second, hang on, Oh,

1004
01:29:23,175 --> 01:29:28,815
Speaker 2: I knew it was coming. Sorry about that. The other

1005
01:29:28,855 --> 01:29:32,175
Speaker 2: thing that I think is happening if you're in an older,

1006
01:29:32,255 --> 01:29:38,615
Speaker 2: more established suburb, as the mains pressure pipes the council

1007
01:29:38,735 --> 01:29:43,775
Speaker 2: lines are being upgraded, I think our water pressure to

1008
01:29:43,855 --> 01:29:49,655
Speaker 2: our houses is actually going up right, So it may

1009
01:29:49,775 --> 01:29:51,975
Speaker 2: or may not be a contributing cause. But I think

1010
01:29:51,975 --> 01:29:55,055
Speaker 2: in some cases, and certainly twelve years ago, it's quite

1011
01:29:55,135 --> 01:29:57,735
Speaker 2: possible that the water pressure in the street was less

1012
01:29:57,775 --> 01:30:01,175
Speaker 2: and it was less common back then to put a

1013
01:30:01,255 --> 01:30:05,575
Speaker 2: tempering valve or a pressure reducing valve at the inlet

1014
01:30:05,735 --> 01:30:09,575
Speaker 2: to the house right. So if you don't have that,

1015
01:30:09,815 --> 01:30:13,255
Speaker 2: then all of the pipework inside your house is subject

1016
01:30:13,295 --> 01:30:16,535
Speaker 2: to the pressure that's coming from the road. And typically

1017
01:30:16,615 --> 01:30:20,375
Speaker 2: pipework is designed to operate within a certain limit, and

1018
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:24,615
Speaker 2: that limit is probably less than what council are able

1019
01:30:24,655 --> 01:30:28,015
Speaker 2: to achieve with their mains water supply. So you know,

1020
01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:31,215
Speaker 2: if you think about having to push water through pipes

1021
01:30:31,615 --> 01:30:36,055
Speaker 2: for tens of kilometers, you want vastly more pressure there

1022
01:30:36,255 --> 01:30:39,295
Speaker 2: than you do inside your house. So again I would

1023
01:30:39,295 --> 01:30:42,815
Speaker 2: actually get professional advice from an experienced plumber to come in.

1024
01:30:43,095 --> 01:30:46,335
Speaker 2: You may find that a pressure reduction valve or a

1025
01:30:46,375 --> 01:30:50,135
Speaker 2: tempering valve at the mains or just where the mains

1026
01:30:50,295 --> 01:30:53,375
Speaker 2: enter the house might solve it. Otherwise they'll give you

1027
01:30:53,375 --> 01:30:56,295
Speaker 2: some advice, but it sounds like a job for a professional.

1028
01:30:57,415 --> 01:30:58,255
Speaker 5: Great, thanks.

1029
01:30:59,655 --> 01:31:04,855
Speaker 2: All the best, take care. Certainly, the pressure reducing valves

1030
01:31:04,895 --> 01:31:10,855
Speaker 2: are much more common now than ever before, and certainly

1031
01:31:10,855 --> 01:31:13,055
Speaker 2: for years I can remember. You know, we'd just run

1032
01:31:13,655 --> 01:31:16,575
Speaker 2: my house. For example, there's a maine, there's a toby

1033
01:31:16,655 --> 01:31:19,375
Speaker 2: up by the front boundary and it just runs straight

1034
01:31:19,415 --> 01:31:21,975
Speaker 2: into the house and gets distributed through the house. So

1035
01:31:22,615 --> 01:31:26,215
Speaker 2: probably adding a tempering valve to that line. It also

1036
01:31:26,295 --> 01:31:28,415
Speaker 2: gives you, it's quite handy to It gives you an

1037
01:31:28,415 --> 01:31:33,615
Speaker 2: isolation valve where your main supply potentially comes into the house.

1038
01:31:34,455 --> 01:31:37,255
Speaker 2: In some cases we've done them where main supply will

1039
01:31:37,255 --> 01:31:39,495
Speaker 2: come up and then you know, either through the slab

1040
01:31:39,615 --> 01:31:42,455
Speaker 2: or up underneath the house and into the wall, and

1041
01:31:42,695 --> 01:31:46,255
Speaker 2: before it goes and gets distributed throughout the house, just

1042
01:31:46,335 --> 01:31:49,895
Speaker 2: a little sort of like a box with a clip

1043
01:31:49,935 --> 01:31:52,655
Speaker 2: off lid, and you put the tempering valve there. If

1044
01:31:52,735 --> 01:31:55,375
Speaker 2: suddenly you discover a leak, then you just have to

1045
01:31:55,415 --> 01:31:59,055
Speaker 2: get there rather than you know. In some cases shivers

1046
01:31:59,095 --> 01:32:01,815
Speaker 2: if you're in a just thinking about a subdivision a

1047
01:32:01,855 --> 01:32:03,695
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. You know, if you had a

1048
01:32:03,775 --> 01:32:06,215
Speaker 2: leak and you're at the back house and you have

1049
01:32:06,375 --> 01:32:09,335
Speaker 2: to run all the way down the driveway, find which

1050
01:32:09,375 --> 01:32:13,095
Speaker 2: one is your toby, which one is your water main,

1051
01:32:13,535 --> 01:32:17,255
Speaker 2: turn that off and get back again. Put of an issue.

1052
01:32:17,415 --> 01:32:19,295
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1053
01:32:19,295 --> 01:32:21,855
Speaker 2: call quick text on the pipe banging, draw a twenty

1054
01:32:21,855 --> 01:32:24,055
Speaker 2: mil hole in the top plate. Fire and some expanding

1055
01:32:24,095 --> 01:32:27,335
Speaker 2: poone a little will lock the pipe in place. That's

1056
01:32:27,375 --> 01:32:30,615
Speaker 2: from Pete. If that is the problem, then that's not

1057
01:32:30,695 --> 01:32:34,095
Speaker 2: a bad solution. Be careful with expanding foam, though it

1058
01:32:34,175 --> 01:32:37,175
Speaker 2: expands a lot more than you might think. In some cases.

1059
01:32:37,775 --> 01:32:40,215
Speaker 2: It's the law of unintended consequences. I go, oh, we

1060
01:32:40,255 --> 01:32:42,375
Speaker 2: heap the funny stories about that too. Oh eight hundred

1061
01:32:42,455 --> 01:32:44,095
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call John.

1062
01:32:44,175 --> 01:32:47,975
Speaker 20: Good morning, Yeah, morning, Peter Again, I kind of about

1063
01:32:47,975 --> 01:32:49,095
Speaker 20: that flashing thing.

1064
01:32:48,975 --> 01:32:51,175
Speaker 9: And oh yeah yeah, but.

1065
01:32:52,415 --> 01:32:55,135
Speaker 20: I got a sad in Taranaki, South Taranaki and he

1066
01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:58,135
Speaker 20: needs to put a soakol and so is blocked. Yes,

1067
01:32:59,295 --> 01:33:00,935
Speaker 20: and you can get a guy. I can do a

1068
01:33:01,015 --> 01:33:03,535
Speaker 20: nine hundred milimeter bore, you know, down.

1069
01:33:03,375 --> 01:33:04,175
Speaker 13: Into the water table.

1070
01:33:04,295 --> 01:33:08,055
Speaker 20: You can postal bar. But I'm just wondering what stops

1071
01:33:08,055 --> 01:33:10,215
Speaker 20: at cave, what stops the sides caving and do you

1072
01:33:10,215 --> 01:33:12,575
Speaker 20: need anything to stop the sides caving in? Or can

1073
01:33:12,615 --> 01:33:14,495
Speaker 20: you just bore a whole and put a grate on

1074
01:33:14,535 --> 01:33:14,855
Speaker 20: the top.

1075
01:33:16,055 --> 01:33:17,975
Speaker 2: I would have thought that just boring a hole and

1076
01:33:18,015 --> 01:33:19,975
Speaker 2: putting grate on it, it's not going to work, or

1077
01:33:20,015 --> 01:33:21,855
Speaker 2: if it does work, it'll work for about a week.

1078
01:33:23,375 --> 01:33:29,575
Speaker 2: I So typically with when we describe soakholes or soakage drainage,

1079
01:33:30,455 --> 01:33:36,615
Speaker 2: it's essentially it's you dig, mainly dig, drilling a nine

1080
01:33:36,695 --> 01:33:39,455
Speaker 2: hundred diameter one year it'll work as well. So what

1081
01:33:39,495 --> 01:33:43,335
Speaker 2: you do is you dig in let's say cubic meter

1082
01:33:43,455 --> 01:33:48,215
Speaker 2: out right. Ideally you should line that with geotextile cloth

1083
01:33:48,295 --> 01:33:52,295
Speaker 2: that will stop sediment from filtering in and blocking up

1084
01:33:52,335 --> 01:33:55,015
Speaker 2: the soakage pit, which is the main problem with old ones,

1085
01:33:55,575 --> 01:33:58,855
Speaker 2: and then inside that soakage pit you would put drainage material,

1086
01:33:58,975 --> 01:34:02,375
Speaker 2: so some chunky scoria, and then you would direct the

1087
01:34:02,455 --> 01:34:06,255
Speaker 2: storm water into that and it will just disperse. It'll

1088
01:34:06,415 --> 01:34:09,455
Speaker 2: have a certain volume that'll take catchment, and then it

1089
01:34:09,495 --> 01:34:13,975
Speaker 2: will disperse out and filter into the ground. But if,

1090
01:34:14,095 --> 01:34:17,095
Speaker 2: for example, like old ones that I've dug up, where

1091
01:34:17,175 --> 01:34:19,375
Speaker 2: someone's dug a hole let's say a meter by a

1092
01:34:19,375 --> 01:34:21,895
Speaker 2: meter by a meter so cubic meter, they've put some

1093
01:34:21,975 --> 01:34:24,695
Speaker 2: scoria in it, and they've poked the down pipe into it, well,

1094
01:34:24,695 --> 01:34:28,335
Speaker 2: after you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty years, it will

1095
01:34:28,335 --> 01:34:30,855
Speaker 2: have just filled up with sediment, in which case it's

1096
01:34:30,895 --> 01:34:34,295
Speaker 2: no longer working. The other type of one, and the

1097
01:34:34,335 --> 01:34:36,655
Speaker 2: one that I've been involved with, is what we call

1098
01:34:36,695 --> 01:34:39,935
Speaker 2: an only hunger type one where we'll actually do drilling

1099
01:34:40,655 --> 01:34:43,375
Speaker 2: one hundred milimeters hole and sleeve that with one hundred

1100
01:34:43,375 --> 01:34:47,535
Speaker 2: mili pipe. Then we'll test the capacity of that so

1101
01:34:47,735 --> 01:34:50,095
Speaker 2: tip in let's say a thousand liters of water, and

1102
01:34:50,135 --> 01:34:53,135
Speaker 2: if it disperses within a certain period of time, then

1103
01:34:53,175 --> 01:34:56,535
Speaker 2: you know you've got sufficient drainage for the size of

1104
01:34:56,535 --> 01:35:00,335
Speaker 2: the house. Once that pipe is in the ground, then

1105
01:35:00,415 --> 01:35:03,735
Speaker 2: we'll excavate around it, put in an actual manhole riser,

1106
01:35:03,815 --> 01:35:06,375
Speaker 2: so those concrete rings, and put a lid on it.

1107
01:35:06,455 --> 01:35:08,735
Speaker 2: And then where the pipe comes up at the bottom,

1108
01:35:09,055 --> 01:35:11,575
Speaker 2: do a half ciphon on it so that it will

1109
01:35:11,975 --> 01:35:14,575
Speaker 2: block if there's excess sediment in the bottom of the

1110
01:35:14,655 --> 01:35:16,735
Speaker 2: chamber and that sort of thing. But you know, it's

1111
01:35:17,135 --> 01:35:19,455
Speaker 2: both of those are a little bit more involved than

1112
01:35:21,455 --> 01:35:23,895
Speaker 2: just digging a hole and letting the pipe go. And

1113
01:35:23,935 --> 01:35:26,535
Speaker 2: certainly if you dug a hole didn't support the sides,

1114
01:35:26,575 --> 01:35:27,895
Speaker 2: it will eventually just collapse.

1115
01:35:28,655 --> 01:35:30,935
Speaker 20: And the cloth you put in, how do you attach

1116
01:35:31,015 --> 01:35:31,575
Speaker 20: that to the side?

1117
01:35:31,895 --> 01:35:32,535
Speaker 10: Is it just like a.

1118
01:35:35,175 --> 01:35:35,615
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is.

1119
01:35:36,015 --> 01:35:39,655
Speaker 2: So if you look at roadworks and roads often being

1120
01:35:39,655 --> 01:35:42,495
Speaker 2: built now, they'll use like it's a bittom cloth or

1121
01:35:42,655 --> 01:35:46,335
Speaker 2: a heavy geotextile cloth, and you can get sort of

1122
01:35:46,375 --> 01:35:49,215
Speaker 2: more domestic versions of it. But effectively, what it does

1123
01:35:49,295 --> 01:35:52,375
Speaker 2: is that it allows water to pass through, but it

1124
01:35:52,455 --> 01:35:56,175
Speaker 2: will help prevent sediment from being drawn along with that

1125
01:35:56,295 --> 01:35:59,695
Speaker 2: water and filling up the volume of your catch pit,

1126
01:35:59,855 --> 01:36:05,415
Speaker 2: of your soakage pit. So again, if you I mean,

1127
01:36:05,455 --> 01:36:07,855
Speaker 2: you could hand dig it right for that size if

1128
01:36:07,895 --> 01:36:10,975
Speaker 2: you wanted to, but you'd want to lay that down

1129
01:36:10,975 --> 01:36:13,135
Speaker 2: on the bottom, just have it coming up and over

1130
01:36:13,175 --> 01:36:16,055
Speaker 2: the top, start filling it with scoria, and maybe when

1131
01:36:16,095 --> 01:36:18,655
Speaker 2: you get sort of one hundred mil from your top level,

1132
01:36:19,135 --> 01:36:23,335
Speaker 2: fold that cloth over again so that you're completely encapsulating

1133
01:36:23,375 --> 01:36:25,735
Speaker 2: all of the scoria, and then you can dress it

1134
01:36:25,735 --> 01:36:27,815
Speaker 2: off with top soil and leave it as a lawn

1135
01:36:28,015 --> 01:36:29,655
Speaker 2: done one of those years ago as well.

1136
01:36:30,535 --> 01:36:34,415
Speaker 20: All right, thankfully, okay, but big scoria.

1137
01:36:35,455 --> 01:36:38,335
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd go for like fifty mili scoria. So you

1138
01:36:38,375 --> 01:36:42,455
Speaker 2: want something where And the other thing that I do

1139
01:36:43,375 --> 01:36:46,695
Speaker 2: is when I've got my space open, right, and I'll

1140
01:36:46,735 --> 01:36:48,495
Speaker 2: put a bit of scorier in, But then I'll get

1141
01:36:48,535 --> 01:36:51,855
Speaker 2: some drainage coil, you know, like the black snake or

1142
01:36:51,895 --> 01:36:54,775
Speaker 2: something like that that's got the slots in it, and

1143
01:36:54,815 --> 01:36:57,735
Speaker 2: I'll just get maybe a five or six meter length

1144
01:36:57,735 --> 01:37:01,695
Speaker 2: of that and wind it into that into that soakage pit, right,

1145
01:37:01,735 --> 01:37:04,095
Speaker 2: and then fill the story around it. And what I

1146
01:37:04,175 --> 01:37:06,255
Speaker 2: find then is that when you get heavy rain in

1147
01:37:06,335 --> 01:37:09,255
Speaker 2: you get a sudden discharge of storm water into the pit.

1148
01:37:09,655 --> 01:37:12,095
Speaker 2: It gives it somewhere to go, because otherwise, you imagine

1149
01:37:12,095 --> 01:37:14,455
Speaker 2: your pipe comes into the air and it's going to

1150
01:37:14,535 --> 01:37:17,455
Speaker 2: hit the scoria and that's going to prevent it from

1151
01:37:17,775 --> 01:37:20,135
Speaker 2: flowing out as quickly. But if you've got five or

1152
01:37:20,175 --> 01:37:23,415
Speaker 2: six meters of drainage coil in there, then it's got

1153
01:37:23,415 --> 01:37:26,895
Speaker 2: somewhere to go. That's that's what I've done. Okay, thanks

1154
01:37:26,975 --> 01:37:30,335
Speaker 2: very much for all the best. I actually quite like

1155
01:37:30,455 --> 01:37:32,135
Speaker 2: doing them, to be fair. That's probably why I'm as

1156
01:37:32,215 --> 01:37:35,055
Speaker 2: excited as I am talking about them. But look, in

1157
01:37:35,095 --> 01:37:38,015
Speaker 2: the right situation, they're a great solution. You know, the

1158
01:37:38,095 --> 01:37:41,135
Speaker 2: ground in some cases will accept it that amount of

1159
01:37:41,255 --> 01:37:45,255
Speaker 2: water and it'll just filter down into the groundwater. Now

1160
01:37:45,895 --> 01:37:47,975
Speaker 2: I'm a plumber. I'm not a plumber. Rather, I'm a

1161
01:37:48,015 --> 01:37:50,095
Speaker 2: carpenter talking about plumbing things. So a couple of people

1162
01:37:50,175 --> 01:37:53,735
Speaker 2: have texted and pressure limiting valves are not tempering valves.

1163
01:37:54,575 --> 01:37:59,135
Speaker 2: So limiting valve is not a producer. Sorry, A limiting

1164
01:37:59,215 --> 01:38:02,295
Speaker 2: valve is not a pressure reducing valve. A PrV is

1165
01:38:02,335 --> 01:38:07,255
Speaker 2: for low pressure hot water cylinders radio. Okay, So for

1166
01:38:07,335 --> 01:38:10,615
Speaker 2: our earlier caller, Nick, with the hammer, sound the water hammer,

1167
01:38:10,655 --> 01:38:13,055
Speaker 2: potentially get a plumber to look at it. Oh, eight

1168
01:38:13,175 --> 01:38:15,535
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if

1169
01:38:15,575 --> 01:38:17,815
Speaker 2: you've got a question. We'll take your calls right through

1170
01:38:17,815 --> 01:38:20,295
Speaker 2: at eight thirty this morning. Then we're into the garden

1171
01:38:20,335 --> 01:40:21,215
Speaker 2: with red climb passed from eight thirty this morning, us

1172
01:41:45,655 --> 01:41:47,695
Speaker 2: you and these talks, it'd be and oh eight hundred

1173
01:41:47,735 --> 01:41:49,415
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty just a couple of minutes and then

1174
01:41:49,455 --> 01:41:51,975
Speaker 2: we're into the garden with a redcline past someone that's

1175
01:41:52,015 --> 01:41:55,655
Speaker 2: taxed through Taranaki. Clay not a problem, doesn't need any

1176
01:41:55,655 --> 01:42:01,735
Speaker 2: fancy support from Earl. If it's clay, it's trained particularly well,

1177
01:42:01,735 --> 01:42:04,455
Speaker 2: that was it, that'd be the issue there. I think, oh,

1178
01:42:04,495 --> 01:42:06,055
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number.

1179
01:42:06,055 --> 01:42:18,015
Speaker 21: Hell, ok, look I'm looking at insulating a garriage door. Yes, yeah,

1180
01:42:18,175 --> 01:42:20,135
Speaker 21: what what sort of product you recommend?

1181
01:42:20,175 --> 01:42:20,215
Speaker 6: You?

1182
01:42:20,215 --> 01:42:21,335
Speaker 15: Going to the door.

1183
01:42:23,295 --> 01:42:23,735
Speaker 13: Post?

1184
01:42:24,735 --> 01:42:25,255
Speaker 15: Synthetic?

1185
01:42:26,455 --> 01:42:29,215
Speaker 2: I think in this instance the polystyrene is going to

1186
01:42:29,255 --> 01:42:32,535
Speaker 2: be your best bet. And I think there are actually

1187
01:42:32,575 --> 01:42:36,175
Speaker 2: sort of garage door insulation kits that you can buy.

1188
01:42:37,415 --> 01:42:40,815
Speaker 2: So you know, you just I presume you've got a

1189
01:42:40,855 --> 01:42:46,175
Speaker 2: standards of metal door sectional door sectional or tilted door,

1190
01:42:48,255 --> 01:42:51,935
Speaker 2: all right, so you're just going to add polystyrene insulation

1191
01:42:52,055 --> 01:42:54,135
Speaker 2: to the inside of that. You can bond it onto

1192
01:42:54,135 --> 01:42:57,055
Speaker 2: the back of the metal quite easily. That's going to

1193
01:42:57,055 --> 01:42:58,135
Speaker 2: be your best solution.

1194
01:43:00,255 --> 01:43:03,575
Speaker 10: Because of a weight or I think it's.

1195
01:43:03,415 --> 01:43:06,535
Speaker 2: More the fact that it will hold together. Right, So

1196
01:43:07,495 --> 01:43:10,815
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another product, an insulating product

1197
01:43:11,335 --> 01:43:15,495
Speaker 2: that would adhere and give you a sense of a

1198
01:43:15,535 --> 01:43:17,775
Speaker 2: semi rigid surface on the inside layer.

1199
01:43:18,695 --> 01:43:18,975
Speaker 13: Right.

1200
01:43:19,135 --> 01:43:23,255
Speaker 2: You know, if you were to use a lofting type material,

1201
01:43:24,335 --> 01:43:26,455
Speaker 2: it's going to be really hard to fix it unless

1202
01:43:26,495 --> 01:43:28,775
Speaker 2: you were going to do that and put another lining

1203
01:43:28,815 --> 01:43:31,015
Speaker 2: on the inside. But then it gets all too complicated.

1204
01:43:31,055 --> 01:43:33,295
Speaker 2: I think simple as good, So I would just go

1205
01:43:33,335 --> 01:43:36,215
Speaker 2: for polystyrene. And I'm pretty sure there are sort of

1206
01:43:36,295 --> 01:43:41,095
Speaker 2: retro fit kits for garage doors available right right.

1207
01:43:43,095 --> 01:43:47,415
Speaker 15: The insulation there, he's healed with the material. I've had

1208
01:43:47,455 --> 01:43:49,815
Speaker 15: a struggling a few people about it, and I just

1209
01:43:49,935 --> 01:43:53,935
Speaker 15: wasn't quite sure with the for the probably sorry all

1210
01:43:54,015 --> 01:43:56,775
Speaker 15: the insulations, because a bit of weight goes into those doors,

1211
01:43:56,815 --> 01:43:58,055
Speaker 15: isn't it.

1212
01:43:58,095 --> 01:44:00,495
Speaker 2: And again the advantage is polystyrene. And I think if

1213
01:44:00,495 --> 01:44:03,615
Speaker 2: you look at like the great thing is today a

1214
01:44:03,695 --> 01:44:07,335
Speaker 2: number of door companies are doing in seld panel doors

1215
01:44:07,815 --> 01:44:10,655
Speaker 2: and they are all pretty much p ir doors. So

1216
01:44:10,695 --> 01:44:13,815
Speaker 2: it's a form of foam or polystyrene that goes in

1217
01:44:13,855 --> 01:44:17,295
Speaker 2: there as the lining or as the inner and then

1218
01:44:17,295 --> 01:44:22,175
Speaker 2: they'll they'll sheath both sides so the panels themselves are insulated.

1219
01:44:23,575 --> 01:44:25,815
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you've got a perfectly serviceable

1220
01:44:25,855 --> 01:44:31,415
Speaker 2: garage door, and I presume this is an internal access garage.

1221
01:44:32,455 --> 01:44:36,455
Speaker 15: Yeah, it gets very hot in there. That's why it's

1222
01:44:36,455 --> 01:44:38,815
Speaker 15: the place of the sun in the morning. So right

1223
01:44:38,975 --> 01:44:42,815
Speaker 15: in the summer, the tastes like a boiler. Okay, all

1224
01:44:42,895 --> 01:44:45,815
Speaker 15: right in the summer, so we want to keep the

1225
01:44:45,895 --> 01:44:47,135
Speaker 15: heat out of the garage.

1226
01:44:47,735 --> 01:44:51,215
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right, Well look at it'll help there,

1227
01:44:51,255 --> 01:44:53,695
Speaker 2: and maybe you want to look at some ventilation or

1228
01:44:53,695 --> 01:44:54,615
Speaker 2: something like that as well.

1229
01:44:54,655 --> 01:45:03,135
Speaker 15: But yeah, yeah, is simple. But yeah, basically the door, Yeah,

1230
01:45:03,335 --> 01:45:04,975
Speaker 15: exactly in front of the door, but I.

1231
01:45:06,375 --> 01:45:09,735
Speaker 2: Go for the polystyrene king in that instance. Great solution

1232
01:45:12,695 --> 01:45:15,855
Speaker 2: and a very good morning to you.

1233
01:45:16,495 --> 01:45:17,615
Speaker 19: Thank you for having my call.

1234
01:45:17,775 --> 01:45:18,175
Speaker 9: Pleasure.

1235
01:45:18,575 --> 01:45:23,135
Speaker 19: I've had a roof. I had a roof repair done

1236
01:45:23,135 --> 01:45:26,175
Speaker 19: by a company and they hadn't done it properly. They

1237
01:45:26,295 --> 01:45:29,015
Speaker 19: damaged the roof, so they replaced part of the part

1238
01:45:29,055 --> 01:45:32,375
Speaker 19: of the damage, and then that was not a good job.

1239
01:45:32,455 --> 01:45:36,255
Speaker 19: So they've actually totally replaced the roof and I've had

1240
01:45:36,295 --> 01:45:39,095
Speaker 19: it checked over. Since they've been out to correct a

1241
01:45:39,095 --> 01:45:45,575
Speaker 19: few things, I've still got it hasn't been signed off yet,

1242
01:45:46,215 --> 01:45:50,615
Speaker 19: and they've pretty pretty much said that all the flats

1243
01:45:50,895 --> 01:45:54,415
Speaker 19: services have been sealed between the flesh and joins and

1244
01:45:54,535 --> 01:45:58,175
Speaker 19: Code of Practice does not have to well, I stated,

1245
01:45:58,255 --> 01:46:00,255
Speaker 19: kind of ooze out from the jaw and you know

1246
01:46:00,335 --> 01:46:03,415
Speaker 19: when they feel it. So I looked on the Code

1247
01:46:03,455 --> 01:46:07,255
Speaker 19: of Practice and it's got this you know your land lap,

1248
01:46:07,295 --> 01:46:11,015
Speaker 19: which is fourteen point point one, which is you know,

1249
01:46:11,135 --> 01:46:14,015
Speaker 19: the flat that the actual seal has to come to

1250
01:46:14,055 --> 01:46:17,575
Speaker 19: the edge and then wiped off, you know. But I've

1251
01:46:17,615 --> 01:46:21,415
Speaker 19: noticed that there's seals that has you know, there's gaps.

1252
01:46:22,095 --> 01:46:25,335
Speaker 2: Sorry, is this a seal on a on a metal junction.

1253
01:46:25,535 --> 01:46:27,695
Speaker 2: We're not talking about a torch on membrane.

1254
01:46:28,895 --> 01:46:31,975
Speaker 19: It's on a metal route. It's a kind of you know, yeah,

1255
01:46:32,335 --> 01:46:37,975
Speaker 19: it's a capping here. And and so when I look

1256
01:46:38,015 --> 01:46:41,335
Speaker 19: at the Code of Practice, it says you need two

1257
01:46:41,415 --> 01:46:45,255
Speaker 19: beads of seal, which they may side, but it might not.

1258
01:46:45,695 --> 01:46:48,975
Speaker 19: It's it's evident that it doesn't really come to the edge.

1259
01:46:49,255 --> 01:46:52,175
Speaker 19: So the water can you know, get into.

1260
01:46:51,935 --> 01:46:54,175
Speaker 2: These Yeah, if it doesn't come to the edge, then

1261
01:46:54,415 --> 01:46:58,095
Speaker 2: water can tuck in underneath that joint if the ceilant doesn't.

1262
01:46:59,535 --> 01:47:01,935
Speaker 2: I suppose, you know, you apply two beads a ceilant,

1263
01:47:01,935 --> 01:47:04,055
Speaker 2: one near the lap and then one further back to

1264
01:47:04,055 --> 01:47:07,175
Speaker 2: give you sort of two barriers, and ideally the one

1265
01:47:07,215 --> 01:47:10,255
Speaker 2: closest to the exposed edge. When you fix the two

1266
01:47:10,295 --> 01:47:12,655
Speaker 2: flashings down, you want to see some of that sealant

1267
01:47:13,095 --> 01:47:15,575
Speaker 2: be expelled to the outside and so you should see

1268
01:47:15,615 --> 01:47:19,935
Speaker 2: evidence that it's been wiped off. Yeah, okay, well look

1269
01:47:19,935 --> 01:47:22,415
Speaker 2: if that's in the Code of Practice, then that's ideally

1270
01:47:22,455 --> 01:47:24,135
Speaker 2: what they should be doing, and good on you for

1271
01:47:24,215 --> 01:47:28,775
Speaker 2: doing the research. Is the company that's doing the repair

1272
01:47:29,615 --> 01:47:32,455
Speaker 2: a member of the Roofing Association of New Zealand they

1273
01:47:32,535 --> 01:47:35,575
Speaker 2: are okay, well that's good, but.

1274
01:47:35,535 --> 01:47:37,775
Speaker 19: I believe in communicating directly.

1275
01:47:37,895 --> 01:47:38,695
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1276
01:47:38,775 --> 01:47:41,775
Speaker 19: One of their managers is actually on the board. So

1277
01:47:42,615 --> 01:47:48,935
Speaker 19: I'm actually contesting that the job it's not meeting the criteria.

1278
01:47:50,415 --> 01:47:52,415
Speaker 2: And I think the great thing with you know, the

1279
01:47:52,535 --> 01:47:55,455
Speaker 2: argument that you're putting forward is you're also providing evidence.

1280
01:47:55,535 --> 01:47:58,655
Speaker 2: So you've gone to the code or to the best

1281
01:47:58,695 --> 01:48:01,495
Speaker 2: practice guide. This is best practice. Why is it that

1282
01:48:01,535 --> 01:48:05,055
Speaker 2: you don't do beast practice? Now? So I think you're

1283
01:48:05,095 --> 01:48:09,455
Speaker 2: on solid ground in terms of saying to them, actually,

1284
01:48:09,575 --> 01:48:11,415
Speaker 2: the work's not up to stand it. Can you come

1285
01:48:11,455 --> 01:48:12,735
Speaker 2: back and please address it?

1286
01:48:14,655 --> 01:48:15,095
Speaker 19: Yes?

1287
01:48:15,175 --> 01:48:18,255
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean no one likes to have these sorts

1288
01:48:18,255 --> 01:48:21,455
Speaker 2: of conversations, and ideally everyone's work should be up to standard.

1289
01:48:21,815 --> 01:48:24,295
Speaker 2: But if it's not, and you can prove that it's not,

1290
01:48:24,415 --> 01:48:25,455
Speaker 2: then stand your ground.

1291
01:48:27,215 --> 01:48:30,015
Speaker 19: Yes, okay, and I mean sixteen things like that. You've

1292
01:48:30,055 --> 01:48:32,135
Speaker 19: got to break it open. Don't you do it again?

1293
01:48:32,495 --> 01:48:35,495
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pop the rivets out, yep, pop the rivets out

1294
01:48:36,415 --> 01:48:39,815
Speaker 2: and then redo the sealant. Oh you could just apply

1295
01:48:39,855 --> 01:48:42,495
Speaker 2: a beader selant to that edge. Potentially that will do

1296
01:48:42,575 --> 01:48:48,575
Speaker 2: the same thing. Yeah. But I either way, if if

1297
01:48:48,575 --> 01:48:50,575
Speaker 2: the work's not up to scratch, and you know that

1298
01:48:50,655 --> 01:48:53,335
Speaker 2: it's not, and you've provided evidence that it's not, then

1299
01:48:53,415 --> 01:48:55,175
Speaker 2: they should come back and fix it. It's as simple

1300
01:48:55,215 --> 01:48:57,295
Speaker 2: as that. Yes, good on you.

1301
01:48:57,815 --> 01:48:59,815
Speaker 19: What if I don't think that they can, you know,

1302
01:49:00,055 --> 01:49:01,415
Speaker 19: people who are you?

1303
01:49:01,495 --> 01:49:04,295
Speaker 2: Still have to this then becomes I think it's under

1304
01:49:04,295 --> 01:49:06,895
Speaker 2: the Consumer Guarantees Act those sorts of things that they

1305
01:49:06,935 --> 01:49:11,295
Speaker 2: actually you can't go and get another contractor without giving

1306
01:49:11,335 --> 01:49:14,815
Speaker 2: the original contractor the opportunity to come and do the remediation.

1307
01:49:16,055 --> 01:49:17,175
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, all.

1308
01:49:17,135 --> 01:49:19,175
Speaker 2: Right, So you need to stick with them until such

1309
01:49:19,215 --> 01:49:21,055
Speaker 2: point as they decide that they don't want to be

1310
01:49:21,175 --> 01:49:24,855
Speaker 2: involved anymore, and then you I would still recommend that

1311
01:49:24,895 --> 01:49:27,535
Speaker 2: you inform them in writing that you intend to get

1312
01:49:27,535 --> 01:49:30,855
Speaker 2: another contractor to do the work given their reluctance to engage,

1313
01:49:31,175 --> 01:49:33,455
Speaker 2: and that you are going to send them the bill

1314
01:49:33,495 --> 01:49:35,575
Speaker 2: for it. You can't just go and get another contractor

1315
01:49:35,615 --> 01:49:39,415
Speaker 2: to fix something and send the bill through to the

1316
01:49:39,575 --> 01:49:42,215
Speaker 2: other contractor if you haven't given them the opportunity to

1317
01:49:42,215 --> 01:49:43,095
Speaker 2: come back and fix it.

1318
01:49:44,055 --> 01:49:45,495
Speaker 22: Yes, I think.

1319
01:49:48,775 --> 01:49:52,535
Speaker 2: It's their reputation. Yeah, that's great. Good on you and

1320
01:49:53,135 --> 01:49:56,495
Speaker 2: all the best. Take care, Yeah, I know, I know. No,

1321
01:49:56,615 --> 01:50:00,015
Speaker 2: good on you for standing your ground. All the best. Actually,

1322
01:50:00,015 --> 01:50:02,895
Speaker 2: just talking about legal things on the program. Over the

1323
01:50:02,935 --> 01:50:05,015
Speaker 2: last couple of years, we've often talked about the Fencing

1324
01:50:05,015 --> 01:50:09,535
Speaker 2: Act and are some of the guest complexity and some

1325
01:50:09,575 --> 01:50:11,375
Speaker 2: of the hoops that you have to jump through. The

1326
01:50:11,455 --> 01:50:14,175
Speaker 2: great thing is I have pinned down a lawyer who's

1327
01:50:14,215 --> 01:50:16,095
Speaker 2: going to come and talk on the program in a

1328
01:50:16,135 --> 01:50:20,655
Speaker 2: couple of weeks time. So Ben Thompson is a lawyer

1329
01:50:20,735 --> 01:50:24,215
Speaker 2: specializing in property law and things like the property Act

1330
01:50:24,375 --> 01:50:27,335
Speaker 2: and the Fencing Act. So he's going to be available

1331
01:50:27,375 --> 01:50:29,295
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time to talk about that.

1332
01:50:29,455 --> 01:50:32,055
Speaker 2: Really looking forward to having him join us. Like I say,

1333
01:50:32,135 --> 01:50:33,855
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time. Right here, we're going

1334
01:50:33,895 --> 01:50:35,495
Speaker 2: to take a short break. Then we're into the garden.

1335
01:50:35,615 --> 01:53:25,895
Speaker 2: The red climb past is on the way us.

1336
01:53:06,495 --> 01:53:21,735
Speaker 14: H realized.

1337
01:53:23,535 --> 01:53:23,975
Speaker 5: Mm hm.

1338
01:53:32,135 --> 01:53:34,175
Speaker 6: Hm hm.

1339
01:53:37,455 --> 01:53:57,575
Speaker 23: Y god, well, A very good morning.

1340
01:53:57,575 --> 01:53:58,935
Speaker 2: That rid climb passed. How are you, sir?

1341
01:53:59,375 --> 01:54:02,455
Speaker 9: A very good morning to you, Peter. Are you all okay?

1342
01:54:02,695 --> 01:54:05,095
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hanging on there, hanging yeah, I'm.

1343
01:54:04,935 --> 01:54:07,295
Speaker 9: Sure you are sure? Share that was that was it.

1344
01:54:07,375 --> 01:54:10,495
Speaker 9: I listened to a little story about you know, people

1345
01:54:10,575 --> 01:54:13,535
Speaker 9: saying things about you. I don't even know. I thought that,

1346
01:54:13,975 --> 01:54:17,015
Speaker 9: you know, this is this is media, just suck it

1347
01:54:17,215 --> 01:54:19,055
Speaker 9: and just yeah, I.

1348
01:54:19,135 --> 01:54:21,655
Speaker 2: Kind of wondered about that, and then I thought, stuff.

1349
01:54:21,975 --> 01:54:24,735
Speaker 9: No, it is. It is because you're you're absolutely right you.

1350
01:54:24,935 --> 01:54:26,335
Speaker 9: I think it needs to be said.

1351
01:54:27,015 --> 01:54:30,615
Speaker 2: People out every now and then. Yeah, my friend has

1352
01:54:30,695 --> 01:54:33,215
Speaker 2: texted me and asked about passion Fruit, and I haven't

1353
01:54:33,215 --> 01:54:36,495
Speaker 2: text them back yet to say, might not be the

1354
01:54:36,535 --> 01:54:39,335
Speaker 2: person to talk to about this, but his passion Fruit

1355
01:54:39,495 --> 01:54:43,855
Speaker 2: has kind of what he said passion fruit plant doing

1356
01:54:43,975 --> 01:54:48,695
Speaker 2: exceptionally well flowered now has started withering and dying. Oh

1357
01:54:48,895 --> 01:54:49,535
Speaker 2: what's going on?

1358
01:54:50,215 --> 01:54:52,255
Speaker 9: Oh gosh, that could be all sorts of things. It

1359
01:54:52,255 --> 01:54:55,695
Speaker 9: could be. Could be lack of fertilizer, could be wrong,

1360
01:54:56,455 --> 01:55:00,295
Speaker 9: too much water. It could be not enough water, you know,

1361
01:55:00,335 --> 01:55:02,015
Speaker 9: it could be. It depends on your soil.

1362
01:55:01,895 --> 01:55:04,975
Speaker 2: I suppose, right. But if it was going well one

1363
01:55:05,055 --> 01:55:08,295
Speaker 2: year and then suddenly let's turned up its toes.

1364
01:55:08,495 --> 01:55:10,735
Speaker 9: And it's only two years, you think that it's alive.

1365
01:55:10,855 --> 01:55:13,375
Speaker 9: Because spascial fruits are not very long lived.

1366
01:55:13,495 --> 01:55:15,895
Speaker 2: Ah okay, maybe that's maybe it's reached the end of

1367
01:55:15,935 --> 01:55:16,335
Speaker 2: its life.

1368
01:55:16,775 --> 01:55:18,935
Speaker 9: Maybe it is, but four.

1369
01:55:19,895 --> 01:55:22,895
Speaker 2: Years, okay, that gives them something to go on.

1370
01:55:23,415 --> 01:55:25,415
Speaker 9: Yeah, now that might be. It might be an idea

1371
01:55:25,455 --> 01:55:28,135
Speaker 9: to look at that and put a new plant in.

1372
01:55:28,495 --> 01:55:30,695
Speaker 2: Right there, you go, Simon, that's your job for today,

1373
01:55:30,895 --> 01:55:34,655
Speaker 2: right Tony, A very good morning to you.

1374
01:55:35,255 --> 01:55:40,015
Speaker 11: I have an old apple tree, the Cox's orange, and

1375
01:55:40,055 --> 01:55:43,255
Speaker 11: I want to know about the efficacy of these pheromone

1376
01:55:43,335 --> 01:55:46,695
Speaker 11: traps and when they put them out, if they are,

1377
01:55:46,895 --> 01:55:48,775
Speaker 11: it is good, and we you pot them.

1378
01:55:49,535 --> 01:55:55,495
Speaker 9: Okay. The traps themselves are not there to control the

1379
01:55:55,535 --> 01:56:00,855
Speaker 9: actual coddling moth The traps are there to give you

1380
01:56:00,895 --> 01:56:04,495
Speaker 9: an idea that they are around, and you have to

1381
01:56:04,575 --> 01:56:07,935
Speaker 9: check them from this time onwards, almost every other day

1382
01:56:08,015 --> 01:56:09,935
Speaker 9: or so, to see if you've got some of those

1383
01:56:12,055 --> 01:56:16,455
Speaker 9: moths stuck on the sticky tape in the trap. By

1384
01:56:16,455 --> 01:56:18,415
Speaker 9: the way, the trap you hang in your tree somewhere.

1385
01:56:18,415 --> 01:56:21,495
Speaker 9: You can have one tree, one tree, one trap, no problem,

1386
01:56:21,815 --> 01:56:24,255
Speaker 9: So that's easy. You can put them wherever you like.

1387
01:56:24,735 --> 01:56:27,135
Speaker 9: They will guard you. That particular smell go on.

1388
01:56:27,935 --> 01:56:31,215
Speaker 11: Two but two opinions. One it's under the tree, others

1389
01:56:31,255 --> 01:56:33,695
Speaker 11: as far away up the tree, because otherwise them just

1390
01:56:33,735 --> 01:56:35,295
Speaker 11: the carriages who go to the tree.

1391
01:56:35,815 --> 01:56:38,455
Speaker 9: No, it doesn't matter whether they go to the tree

1392
01:56:38,535 --> 01:56:40,735
Speaker 9: or not. It's and you're not going to control them

1393
01:56:40,775 --> 01:56:43,615
Speaker 9: with just a trap. The trap is there to give

1394
01:56:43,615 --> 01:56:47,135
Speaker 9: you the exact timing when they start flying, and when

1395
01:56:47,135 --> 01:56:50,815
Speaker 9: they start flying, they will, you know, males find females

1396
01:56:50,855 --> 01:56:53,575
Speaker 9: no matter where the trap is, it makes no difference

1397
01:56:53,615 --> 01:56:57,375
Speaker 9: at all. Males find females, and then the females will

1398
01:56:57,455 --> 01:57:02,215
Speaker 9: lay their eggs on the very small little apples that

1399
01:57:02,295 --> 01:57:05,175
Speaker 9: have developed after flowering. So as you can see from

1400
01:57:05,215 --> 01:57:07,855
Speaker 9: now on, the little apples coddlings as they call them,

1401
01:57:07,975 --> 01:57:11,615
Speaker 9: the coddlings are developing, and those females lay their eggs

1402
01:57:11,615 --> 01:57:14,375
Speaker 9: on it. You've got ten days if you like, between

1403
01:57:14,415 --> 01:57:18,255
Speaker 9: the first moths flying in to the moment that those

1404
01:57:18,375 --> 01:57:23,495
Speaker 9: eggs actually hatch into caterpillars. And once they hatch into caterpillars,

1405
01:57:23,575 --> 01:57:26,175
Speaker 9: they go into the fruit and there's nothing you can

1406
01:57:26,215 --> 01:57:28,655
Speaker 9: do about it. So this is your timing.

1407
01:57:29,575 --> 01:57:33,295
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, Also very quickly, I've got the trees in

1408
01:57:33,295 --> 01:57:34,975
Speaker 11: the middle of a lawn. How do I feed it?

1409
01:57:35,815 --> 01:57:37,375
Speaker 9: You've got a what in the middle of the lawn.

1410
01:57:38,135 --> 01:57:39,815
Speaker 11: The tree is in the middle of a lawn. How

1411
01:57:39,815 --> 01:57:40,935
Speaker 11: do I feed the tree?

1412
01:57:41,415 --> 01:57:45,335
Speaker 9: Oh, basically by putting some fertilizer around the root zone

1413
01:57:45,335 --> 01:57:48,735
Speaker 9: of the tree. So you're put a handful of you know,

1414
01:57:48,855 --> 01:57:50,775
Speaker 9: you know roughly what the root zone is like. It

1415
01:57:50,815 --> 01:57:53,655
Speaker 9: goes as far as the edges of the tree if

1416
01:57:53,695 --> 01:57:56,655
Speaker 9: you go down in in a vertical line.

1417
01:57:57,135 --> 01:57:59,735
Speaker 11: So mean lawn, I mean I can't got the lawn.

1418
01:58:00,135 --> 01:58:01,655
Speaker 9: Now, you don't have to dig up the lawn. You

1419
01:58:01,735 --> 01:58:04,735
Speaker 9: put the fertilizer on the lawn. It will then water

1420
01:58:04,855 --> 01:58:08,215
Speaker 9: itself in or drift drift itself into the root zone

1421
01:58:08,255 --> 01:58:11,015
Speaker 9: of the tree, and then it gets its fertilizer.

1422
01:58:11,695 --> 01:58:13,015
Speaker 11: That's okay, that's what I thought.

1423
01:58:14,215 --> 01:58:16,535
Speaker 9: And a good one is liquid fertilizer.

1424
01:58:17,415 --> 01:58:20,335
Speaker 11: Yes, that has the last year. Try spray it on

1425
01:58:20,375 --> 01:58:23,535
Speaker 11: the foliage. That's actually something goes from budings and it's

1426
01:58:24,095 --> 01:58:26,815
Speaker 11: a hose on thing and it's supposed to cease. I

1427
01:58:26,855 --> 01:58:30,415
Speaker 11: think it is. Yeah, And liquids large letting be good.

1428
01:58:30,495 --> 01:58:33,175
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well it is good, and especially if it's

1429
01:58:33,175 --> 01:58:36,535
Speaker 9: got a higher amount of potash, which is the kay

1430
01:58:37,015 --> 01:58:40,735
Speaker 9: of NPK. You can see this, Yeah, you got it.

1431
01:58:41,015 --> 01:58:43,455
Speaker 9: And and remember this one thing. I think it's a

1432
01:58:43,495 --> 01:58:49,415
Speaker 9: myth that folia fertilizer is important, because folia fertilizer is

1433
01:58:49,455 --> 01:58:51,215
Speaker 9: the stuff you spray on the leaves and then it

1434
01:58:51,255 --> 01:58:53,895
Speaker 9: goes into the leaves. But I don't know if you

1435
01:58:54,015 --> 01:58:57,295
Speaker 9: ever have been breathing through other holes than your nose.

1436
01:58:57,935 --> 01:59:01,295
Speaker 9: I think in this case the fertilizer needs to go

1437
01:59:01,415 --> 01:59:05,055
Speaker 9: to the roots. The roots take up the fertility, not

1438
01:59:05,175 --> 01:59:10,815
Speaker 9: the leaves go by much pressure.

1439
01:59:11,015 --> 01:59:12,935
Speaker 2: Tony, you have a great day, and faye A very

1440
01:59:12,935 --> 01:59:14,735
Speaker 2: good morning to you.

1441
01:59:14,935 --> 01:59:16,255
Speaker 24: Morney. How are you?

1442
01:59:16,535 --> 01:59:17,095
Speaker 9: We're good.

1443
01:59:18,775 --> 01:59:22,295
Speaker 24: In the other moment, she heavy as like a rust

1444
01:59:22,415 --> 01:59:27,855
Speaker 24: coming up on my leaves on trees of your lemon

1445
01:59:27,895 --> 01:59:31,815
Speaker 24: trees lemon and orange yeah yeah, yeah.

1446
01:59:31,655 --> 01:59:34,775
Speaker 9: Okay, And that rust is that orange stuff on the top.

1447
01:59:34,575 --> 01:59:39,055
Speaker 24: Of the leaves, it is, yeah, yes, it is individual

1448
01:59:40,375 --> 01:59:43,215
Speaker 24: orange you delive green yeah.

1449
01:59:43,055 --> 01:59:45,095
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah yeah. The orange is still yeah, the orange

1450
01:59:45,135 --> 01:59:48,815
Speaker 9: is still working. Now. If you've got a rust on

1451
01:59:49,175 --> 01:59:52,415
Speaker 9: a lead on the leaves, generally the best way to

1452
01:59:52,455 --> 01:59:55,575
Speaker 9: spray it is with copper and sulfur, such as a

1453
01:59:55,655 --> 02:00:00,255
Speaker 9: copper sulfur mix like Nature's Way Fungus spray.

1454
02:00:01,615 --> 02:00:02,175
Speaker 24: Oh yes.

1455
02:00:02,655 --> 02:00:04,815
Speaker 9: And the reason I'm saying that one is because you

1456
02:00:04,935 --> 02:00:07,295
Speaker 9: have a tree that you're going to be eating the

1457
02:00:07,335 --> 02:00:12,175
Speaker 9: fruit from, you know, so instead for instance, of using

1458
02:00:12,215 --> 02:00:16,095
Speaker 9: microlo butt O'Neil and some other fungus sides, I think

1459
02:00:16,135 --> 02:00:19,255
Speaker 9: it might be an idea to use a a funger

1460
02:00:19,335 --> 02:00:22,935
Speaker 9: site that is actually organic like copper and sulfur, and

1461
02:00:23,015 --> 02:00:25,535
Speaker 9: it doesn't hurt you or you know, it's not not

1462
02:00:25,655 --> 02:00:28,015
Speaker 9: bad for you to have that on the on the

1463
02:00:28,095 --> 02:00:29,375
Speaker 9: leaves and.

1464
02:00:29,695 --> 02:00:34,175
Speaker 24: If and I do have it three tomorrow pliant So

1465
02:00:34,215 --> 02:00:36,015
Speaker 24: that would be good for ah us two.

1466
02:00:36,055 --> 02:00:40,975
Speaker 9: Would it for for aphorts? Yeah, yeah, I would use it,

1467
02:00:41,695 --> 02:00:44,415
Speaker 9: but I wouldn't use a funger sight on aphis for

1468
02:00:44,535 --> 02:00:48,735
Speaker 9: APIs I would use something like the pyrethrums, which is

1469
02:00:48,815 --> 02:00:52,335
Speaker 9: another one of those organic materials that the ephets do

1470
02:00:52,575 --> 02:00:52,975
Speaker 9: not like.

1471
02:00:54,815 --> 02:00:59,535
Speaker 24: Okay, I can get that from bun or somewhere, do I.

1472
02:00:59,575 --> 02:01:00,695
Speaker 9: They all have it?

1473
02:01:01,975 --> 02:01:08,575
Speaker 24: Okay, are wonderful. It's I have one more thing, my lemon,

1474
02:01:09,055 --> 02:01:11,935
Speaker 24: my orange tree. I find it. It's very.

1475
02:01:13,295 --> 02:01:14,255
Speaker 4: It's all up.

1476
02:01:14,335 --> 02:01:16,775
Speaker 24: It's not spreading out. What would be causing that?

1477
02:01:18,415 --> 02:01:20,775
Speaker 9: Your lemon tree is not what do you mean it's

1478
02:01:20,815 --> 02:01:21,655
Speaker 9: not spreading out?

1479
02:01:22,775 --> 02:01:25,615
Speaker 24: My orange tree. I have it in the big pot

1480
02:01:26,095 --> 02:01:29,615
Speaker 24: and it's all coming up that just a couple of

1481
02:01:29,615 --> 02:01:32,335
Speaker 24: branches are more coming out that the other ones are all.

1482
02:01:32,735 --> 02:01:35,535
Speaker 24: How do I ship pull in close pulling out a

1483
02:01:35,575 --> 02:01:35,895
Speaker 24: wee bit.

1484
02:01:37,575 --> 02:01:40,095
Speaker 9: Well, they have to do that through growth. So I

1485
02:01:40,135 --> 02:01:43,215
Speaker 9: am not underd percent sure what's happening there. Sometimes when

1486
02:01:43,255 --> 02:01:47,495
Speaker 9: you prune your tree, you'll find that the buds below

1487
02:01:47,535 --> 02:01:50,615
Speaker 9: where you've pruned it will go outwards, and that would

1488
02:01:50,655 --> 02:01:53,055
Speaker 9: be good, But you know what, to be quite honest, fay,

1489
02:01:53,255 --> 02:01:57,295
Speaker 9: I think lemon trees and citrus trees are probably best

1490
02:01:57,335 --> 02:02:01,055
Speaker 9: planted in soil rather than in containers.

1491
02:02:01,335 --> 02:02:05,095
Speaker 24: Yeah, my lemon tree, I've had it in my big pots.

1492
02:02:05,455 --> 02:02:08,535
Speaker 24: I think it must have been a minitial one, but

1493
02:02:08,895 --> 02:02:11,935
Speaker 24: I get heat the heat on it, and it's been

1494
02:02:12,055 --> 02:02:16,175
Speaker 24: moved for thirteen Now, well, that's good.

1495
02:02:16,215 --> 02:02:19,255
Speaker 9: That's that is good, going to be quite honest, Yes

1496
02:02:19,295 --> 02:02:23,415
Speaker 9: that's good. But generally speaking, there comes a time that

1497
02:02:23,455 --> 02:02:27,335
Speaker 9: the pot is becoming too small for the rootshone, isn't it?

1498
02:02:27,655 --> 02:02:29,975
Speaker 24: And my meat, I mean to say to my meat

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Speaker 24: is a bit dying of it lusty thing. So would

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Speaker 24: that be ideal for that too?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you could use that, I suppose.

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Speaker 5: Why not on the copper or on the.

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Speaker 9: Yeah us the coppers always had.

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Speaker 2: A thank you faie. What do you reckon the chances

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Speaker 2: of me? There's still being some pancake better left over

1506
02:02:53,855 --> 02:02:55,215
Speaker 2: by the time I get home.

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Speaker 25: Not very little now they would have hoovered them up

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Speaker 25: by now, Yeah, exactly by the time I get home. Anyway,

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Speaker 25: we live in the high I will take short break,

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Speaker 25: will be back in just a moment.

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Speaker 6: Wake up.

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Speaker 17: There's millions of dollars with ulf.

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Speaker 26: Sunday stage and join up to half size and range.

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Speaker 2: That's minutes, sleep.

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Speaker 7: Dreams again, Join dury Wolves.

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Speaker 26: A great week nights for sports talk thanks to t J.

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Speaker 2: Ganda Homes, GJ Gander Homes and great supporters.

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Speaker 27: the build keep up with the highs and lows of

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Speaker 27: the day's top sports stories.

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Speaker 6: The work.

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Speaker 28: Thanks home building.

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Speaker 13: Only on Who's.

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Speaker 1: Talk, said.

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Speaker 6: The school girl? And were the store to switch.

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Speaker 6: It's literally all here.

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Speaker 27: See someone who zild's top barbue shift in store pulling

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Speaker 27: up barbe No one's capable of music features with great

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Speaker 27: sailors to be had, spokes Weber Store.

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Speaker 6: Eighty six lives.

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Speaker 26: Family, It's a word Greenview bang Nag twenty years, the

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Speaker 26: comfortable home of the beautiful gardens in all the extracy,

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Speaker 26: the including of they're on side, Hello the house, Green family,

1537
02:05:01,295 --> 02:05:03,215
Speaker 26: and see you and your family to come and see

1538
02:05:03,215 --> 02:05:07,135
Speaker 26: the village, the atmosphere, the gun, the family.

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Speaker 8: See green kinner.

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Speaker 2: What's your precious time worth?

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02:05:17,815 --> 02:05:20,095
Speaker 26: If you want to drive three loads of washing on

1542
02:05:20,335 --> 02:05:22,375
Speaker 26: it could take at least three hours from.

1543
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Speaker 6: Start to finish.

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02:05:23,575 --> 02:05:28,655
Speaker 27: No thanks, and look with laundromats, this supermass commercial watches, dries,

1545
02:05:28,815 --> 02:05:29,815
Speaker 27: what have three loads of.

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02:05:31,895 --> 02:05:33,655
Speaker 12: Design electricity air money?

1547
02:05:33,735 --> 02:05:34,735
Speaker 6: Because of their website.

1548
02:05:34,775 --> 02:05:38,055
Speaker 27: To find your error's location, look with laundromats open seven days,

1549
02:05:38,095 --> 02:05:40,655
Speaker 27: coveting hours anyway.

1550
02:05:41,655 --> 02:05:45,935
Speaker 8: Seeds these amaze.

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02:05:48,895 --> 02:05:51,095
Speaker 6: Freely A man dropt.

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Speaker 19: Gentlemen.

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02:05:54,815 --> 02:05:55,335
Speaker 16: Good news.

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02:05:55,655 --> 02:05:58,655
Speaker 27: Apparently there are single women out there than there are

1555
02:05:58,775 --> 02:06:00,735
Speaker 27: single men, just the way nature played.

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02:06:00,575 --> 02:06:01,055
Speaker 6: It on this one.

1557
02:06:01,375 --> 02:06:01,815
Speaker 23: What do you do?

1558
02:06:02,775 --> 02:06:05,375
Speaker 26: Get your very own competito matchmaker.

1559
02:06:05,055 --> 02:06:06,095
Speaker 18: And they'd love to find you.

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Speaker 2: Rud climb pass with us this morning. End Jill, A

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02:06:24,335 --> 02:06:25,055
Speaker 2: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 29: Oh good morning. Yes, Rude, I've got a real big problem.

1563
02:06:32,175 --> 02:06:36,495
Speaker 29: We bought an old home, an old house that's been

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02:06:36,615 --> 02:06:41,815
Speaker 29: rented out for ten years. We've got garden beds around

1565
02:06:42,455 --> 02:06:46,135
Speaker 29: the perimeter of the house and on the around the fence,

1566
02:06:47,695 --> 02:06:53,415
Speaker 29: and I'm having a problem with weeds and grass growing

1567
02:06:53,615 --> 02:06:58,935
Speaker 29: in those beds that hadn't been dug for ten years. Foolishly,

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02:06:59,215 --> 02:07:03,815
Speaker 29: I guess when we first moved in. I spent a

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02:07:03,895 --> 02:07:09,295
Speaker 29: whole week weed out and sifting soil on the front

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02:07:09,415 --> 02:07:14,895
Speaker 29: fence bed, and then I put compost in it and

1571
02:07:15,375 --> 02:07:19,855
Speaker 29: top soil and planted, and within a week the weeds

1572
02:07:19,895 --> 02:07:27,295
Speaker 29: were growing higher than the plants. So what I've tried

1573
02:07:27,375 --> 02:07:34,175
Speaker 29: to do now is lay down, lay down a cardboard

1574
02:07:34,415 --> 02:07:38,535
Speaker 29: and weed mat, and then put pebbles on top and

1575
02:07:38,895 --> 02:07:43,855
Speaker 29: just put my plants in pots. But I've got some

1576
02:07:44,055 --> 02:07:48,855
Speaker 29: existing shrubs in there that I don't want to I

1577
02:07:48,975 --> 02:07:52,895
Speaker 29: want to know if there's a weed killer, either vinegar

1578
02:07:53,535 --> 02:07:58,255
Speaker 29: or something in a store that I can spray on

1579
02:07:59,015 --> 02:08:06,255
Speaker 29: the pebble garden in between each shrub without killing the shrubs. Sorry,

1580
02:08:06,415 --> 02:08:08,855
Speaker 29: I'm not very explaining, but.

1581
02:08:10,135 --> 02:08:11,295
Speaker 9: I get what you're saying.

1582
02:08:11,415 --> 02:08:13,175
Speaker 19: So this is it.

1583
02:08:13,375 --> 02:08:15,095
Speaker 9: So that you've got a heck of a lot of weeds,

1584
02:08:15,495 --> 02:08:17,895
Speaker 9: you try to do also some thing with cardboard and

1585
02:08:18,535 --> 02:08:22,735
Speaker 9: pebbles on top of the weed mountain. And you're, for instance,

1586
02:08:22,855 --> 02:08:27,855
Speaker 9: not keen on using stuff like roundup.

1587
02:08:28,575 --> 02:08:29,975
Speaker 17: No no, no, no, no, no.

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02:08:31,495 --> 02:08:31,535
Speaker 18: No.

1589
02:08:31,735 --> 02:08:34,055
Speaker 29: Well I don't I don't mind, but I don't want

1590
02:08:34,175 --> 02:08:38,615
Speaker 29: to kill a nice big hydranger bush and one or

1591
02:08:38,695 --> 02:08:44,775
Speaker 29: two shrubs that are within the existing beds. I've covered

1592
02:08:44,815 --> 02:08:49,095
Speaker 29: them with pebbles. And what's happening now is I'm having

1593
02:08:49,135 --> 02:08:51,615
Speaker 29: to lay down. I've got a rider. I'm an old woman.

1594
02:08:52,095 --> 02:08:55,175
Speaker 29: I'm in the late seventies. I'm having to lay down

1595
02:08:55,295 --> 02:08:58,855
Speaker 29: on the ground and lean over and pull out the

1596
02:08:58,975 --> 02:09:02,135
Speaker 29: weeds and blades of grass and stuff that are coming

1597
02:09:02,215 --> 02:09:07,775
Speaker 29: through the stone through the pebbles. So what what you know,

1598
02:09:07,935 --> 02:09:12,015
Speaker 29: I gave up on the front bed. I got full

1599
02:09:12,095 --> 02:09:16,535
Speaker 29: packets of wildflower seeds, and I thought, I'll beat you buggers.

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02:09:17,015 --> 02:09:20,335
Speaker 29: I'm going to sprinkle wildflowers all over you. And that's

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02:09:20,375 --> 02:09:23,455
Speaker 29: what I did. So I've now got a wildflower bed

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Speaker 29: at the front of the house.

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02:09:26,895 --> 02:09:30,215
Speaker 28: I can't do it all the way around, Okay, So

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02:09:30,695 --> 02:09:34,335
Speaker 28: there are ways of actually spraying the weeds with let's say,

1605
02:09:34,455 --> 02:09:37,735
Speaker 28: like woody weed killer or whatever round up he typestock.

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Speaker 29: It's a lot of it is grass egg.

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02:09:41,015 --> 02:09:44,015
Speaker 9: Oh that's even better because that is reasonably easy to

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02:09:44,095 --> 02:09:47,015
Speaker 9: control with that sort of stuff like roundup. But I'm

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02:09:47,095 --> 02:09:50,495
Speaker 9: just saying there is a way of actually putting pieces

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02:09:50,535 --> 02:09:58,215
Speaker 9: of cardboard to protect your your your your various plants

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Speaker 9: that you want to keep.

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Speaker 29: You know, I already put down cardboard, sick cardboard from

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02:10:07,855 --> 02:10:11,255
Speaker 29: cardboard boxes, and then you know, on top of the

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02:10:11,375 --> 02:10:15,255
Speaker 29: weed mat and then pebbles, but it's still coming.

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02:10:15,055 --> 02:10:19,775
Speaker 9: Through, Okay, okay, So the idea is to actually get

1616
02:10:19,815 --> 02:10:23,295
Speaker 9: your weat killer whatever you use, from a nozzle that

1617
02:10:23,415 --> 02:10:27,415
Speaker 9: you can actually aim in the right place. But what

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02:10:27,535 --> 02:10:30,175
Speaker 9: I'm saying about the cardboard is, have you thought about

1619
02:10:30,295 --> 02:10:33,975
Speaker 9: also having cardboard in a vertical manner so that if

1620
02:10:34,015 --> 02:10:36,455
Speaker 9: there is a bit of drift of wheat killer, that

1621
02:10:36,615 --> 02:10:39,375
Speaker 9: it doesn't go over your hydrangeers, that it doesn't even

1622
02:10:39,455 --> 02:10:40,975
Speaker 9: get there, You know what I mean?

1623
02:10:42,215 --> 02:10:44,655
Speaker 29: Yeah, why don't you get to the roots through the

1624
02:10:44,815 --> 02:10:45,815
Speaker 29: soil underneath?

1625
02:10:46,575 --> 02:10:48,815
Speaker 9: Not if you take it easy and just do the

1626
02:10:48,895 --> 02:10:51,975
Speaker 9: grass from the top, you don't have to overdo it. Honestly,

1627
02:10:52,095 --> 02:10:54,735
Speaker 9: you don't. And this is why, this is why I

1628
02:10:54,935 --> 02:10:57,135
Speaker 9: mentioned things like woody wat killer and round up and

1629
02:10:57,175 --> 02:10:59,335
Speaker 9: all these other things. A lot of people don't like them,

1630
02:10:59,335 --> 02:11:02,135
Speaker 9: and I can imagine that's the case. But if you know,

1631
02:11:02,855 --> 02:11:05,495
Speaker 9: if you put a sticker on those which means a

1632
02:11:05,535 --> 02:11:08,975
Speaker 9: sticker is a fact that it sticks to the grass

1633
02:11:09,295 --> 02:11:13,175
Speaker 9: leaves themselves, you don't need that much to before it

1634
02:11:13,375 --> 02:11:14,095
Speaker 9: goes down.

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02:11:13,975 --> 02:11:17,975
Speaker 29: Into I don't mind you, I don't mind using round up,

1636
02:11:19,095 --> 02:11:23,335
Speaker 29: But yeah, I just can't keep lying down on the

1637
02:11:23,375 --> 02:11:27,615
Speaker 29: ground with us rights in the hips and trying to

1638
02:11:27,735 --> 02:11:27,935
Speaker 29: do it.

1639
02:11:28,455 --> 02:11:30,895
Speaker 9: I have the same problem. Don't worry, I know exactly

1640
02:11:30,935 --> 02:11:33,575
Speaker 9: what I mean. I've got to try to do the

1641
02:11:33,615 --> 02:11:34,015
Speaker 9: same thing.

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02:11:35,615 --> 02:11:39,175
Speaker 2: Good luck with that, Jill. I suppose over time hopefully

1643
02:11:39,215 --> 02:11:41,295
Speaker 2: you get on top of it. But yeah, you can.

1644
02:11:41,495 --> 02:11:43,655
Speaker 2: You can just picture a you know, teen years of

1645
02:11:43,735 --> 02:11:44,855
Speaker 2: sort of lack of attention.

1646
02:11:45,935 --> 02:11:49,575
Speaker 9: It is a mess, absolute and sometimes you would use

1647
02:11:49,855 --> 02:11:51,855
Speaker 9: you need napalmy.

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1652
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Speaker 2: even water blasting, and you've got it in your sites

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Speaker 2: to get some new gear. There's never been a better

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Speaker 2: time to buy still gardening tools than now. And getting

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Speaker 2: your property and garden in shape for spring, you need

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1666
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Speaker 2: and now let's see what's going on, Trish with your

1667
02:12:51,335 --> 02:12:51,895
Speaker 2: lemon tree.

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02:12:52,975 --> 02:12:57,575
Speaker 22: Yeah, hi, morning, rude. I've got a lemon tree and

1669
02:12:57,695 --> 02:13:00,535
Speaker 22: a lime tree, both planted at the same time, about

1670
02:13:00,535 --> 02:13:04,415
Speaker 22: twelve years ago. The lime tree is massive. I'm just

1671
02:13:04,535 --> 02:13:08,095
Speaker 22: abundant with fruit. Lemonry is not even a matter high.

1672
02:13:08,535 --> 02:13:11,655
Speaker 22: It's not healthy. And we get about four lemons there.

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02:13:13,135 --> 02:13:17,815
Speaker 9: Okay. What's the lemon tree's name, what's its variety? Maya

1674
02:13:17,975 --> 02:13:22,535
Speaker 9: mayor mayor lemon? Well, sometimes that happens. I we at

1675
02:13:22,575 --> 02:13:24,135
Speaker 9: the moment on the porthills have a bit of a

1676
02:13:24,175 --> 02:13:26,535
Speaker 9: problem with lemon trees. It's not the right place for them.

1677
02:13:27,615 --> 02:13:29,335
Speaker 9: You need to dig a whole big hole with new

1678
02:13:29,575 --> 02:13:32,335
Speaker 9: new soil if you like it, is that sort of

1679
02:13:32,375 --> 02:13:36,935
Speaker 9: stuff sometimes and if you but if you're lime, which

1680
02:13:37,015 --> 02:13:41,775
Speaker 9: is I assume not too far away from the lemon tree, no,

1681
02:13:42,015 --> 02:13:44,815
Speaker 9: if that does well, then you might have got a

1682
02:13:44,975 --> 02:13:48,535
Speaker 9: lemon tree that is not that not that healthy, not

1683
02:13:48,615 --> 02:13:53,015
Speaker 9: that good, not that well. If you like grown in

1684
02:13:53,095 --> 02:13:56,255
Speaker 9: the nursery, and you might need another one that is

1685
02:13:56,415 --> 02:13:58,815
Speaker 9: quite often helps, that quite often helps.

1686
02:14:00,295 --> 02:14:00,575
Speaker 22: Reckon.

1687
02:14:01,375 --> 02:14:04,215
Speaker 9: No, don't rip it out. No, don't rip it out,

1688
02:14:04,655 --> 02:14:08,775
Speaker 9: because you always need to emmons if you maya for instance,

1689
02:14:09,135 --> 02:14:14,095
Speaker 9: for for for the fact that they sometimes work one

1690
02:14:14,215 --> 02:14:17,295
Speaker 9: year not the other year, and you need pollinators. So

1691
02:14:17,775 --> 02:14:19,975
Speaker 9: sometimes it pays to keep it there and put the

1692
02:14:20,055 --> 02:14:21,935
Speaker 9: next one next door to it and see how it goes.

1693
02:14:22,695 --> 02:14:27,015
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, good luck to you. Take care and Ross

1694
02:14:27,775 --> 02:14:32,135
Speaker 2: a mystery. Hey, Ross, Yeah, Hi.

1695
02:14:32,495 --> 02:14:33,175
Speaker 13: Hey, go for it.

1696
02:14:33,815 --> 02:14:35,535
Speaker 2: We've got a big grief. We've got one minute.

1697
02:14:37,735 --> 02:14:40,615
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi. I've got this creeping sort of weed. It's

1698
02:14:41,135 --> 02:14:44,335
Speaker 4: it's about three or four millimeters. It's flat, and it's green,

1699
02:14:44,495 --> 02:14:48,295
Speaker 4: and it's I think it goes better or worse, which

1700
02:14:48,335 --> 02:14:51,415
Speaker 4: every way you call it in the shade. But it's

1701
02:14:51,535 --> 02:14:54,215
Speaker 4: just invasive and it's just growing all over the place,

1702
02:14:54,295 --> 02:14:57,775
Speaker 4: starts off and cracks and it just spreads. What is

1703
02:14:57,815 --> 02:14:59,295
Speaker 4: it and how do you get rid of it?

1704
02:14:59,895 --> 02:15:02,375
Speaker 9: I can't see that from this distance, Ross, will be

1705
02:15:02,455 --> 02:15:04,535
Speaker 9: quite honest, this is almost a pre scales.

1706
02:15:05,015 --> 02:15:07,455
Speaker 4: It's like fish scales. It's just a flat weed that

1707
02:15:07,615 --> 02:15:10,735
Speaker 4: goes on the surface of the soil. It never goes

1708
02:15:10,815 --> 02:15:13,215
Speaker 4: more than about two milimeters high. It's just like a

1709
02:15:13,655 --> 02:15:14,895
Speaker 4: fish scale green.

1710
02:15:15,375 --> 02:15:20,135
Speaker 9: So it's on the ground itself. It's not wondering willy look, No,

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02:15:20,375 --> 02:15:22,495
Speaker 9: I don't know. I'd have to look at it. I

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Speaker 9: have to look at it to see what I is identified.

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Speaker 9: Get now, get it identified. Put it on I Naturalist

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Speaker 9: on your phone, I net you list. It's an app

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Speaker 9: for free and you'll learn very quickly how to use it,

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Speaker 9: and it identifies what the weed is and then we

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Speaker 9: can get somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I might test that out today because I think I've

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Speaker 2: got the same thing creeping out across the broken concrete

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Speaker 2: path at my place.

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Speaker 9: Okay, right, I'll try many different things.

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Speaker 2: Go who knows. It's always a pleasure. Look after yourself,

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Speaker 2: take care, and we'll talk to you again next Sunday.

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Speaker 2: All right, right, I'm going to go and see whether

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Speaker 2: there's any pancake at a left in the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the bowl. I think my chance is a slim, but

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Speaker 2: it's worth while. Joseph making pancakes this morning, right, So

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Speaker 2: have a good week. Actually, I'll be back tonight. I'm

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Speaker 2: here at six to do Sunday at six here at

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Speaker 2: zib This evening as well, so looking forward to that. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: have a good week and if you tuned in again

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Speaker 2: next Sunday, we'll be here. Take care.

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